Zonic leaving tells me that org does not want to rebuild the team in a way he thinks it should be done. He was salty about org selling es3tag and with reason... Dunno, org seems rotten
@@mattisbubba8372 I know, it just does not look like him to kiss me, he's kinda the "I told you so" kind of guy so he'd probably just mock me for not seeing that earlier. In my defense gla1ve and xyp taking the leave was the red flag for me and where I first had a sense of their player vs org thing
wow at 1:27:17 delayed gratification, part of self-discipline, that's exactly what I thought when you said that my sis is studying and I sometimes read her books, learnt a great deal from them, helped me become a better person and like everyone I'm glad LAN is finally back
I'd agree, thing is Bubzkji can't just be sloted into Xyp roles, that's kinda what they tried to do before and it really didn't work for him or for the team and he has proved to be able to play at a very good level in the shoes of Dupreeh, so it's a hard one for me, seems like you should get rid of one of them wich sucks.
I like how you guys are being professional about the Akuma situation, but be honest with yourself. Just say they cheated, their insane “gamesense” is not there. Those rounds they won are due to the luck, but when they cheated in a no Anticheat environment, they got lucky 100% of the time. Nobody is calling them aimbotters or wallers, it’s pretty clear they had extra information though. It’s impossible to get as lucky as they got in EPIC, it’s kind of a Dream (speed runner) situation. Too much luck is pretty much almost always cheats.
true, everytime someone makes a cheating accusation i will always look onto it no matter how big the team is cuase who would have really thought that a big name like dream was legit actually cheating
I really wish we didn’t lose Train for the Na’Vi vs Gambit storyline I think they could’ve taught so much on that map and helped the player base learn so much truly
@@bastianklingsten9471 Hi Bastian, sorry I'm living far away from Europe so I don't really know things in detail but can guess a bit that something's kinda off with the org. Do you happened to know some news or rumors that can only be heard by local people about the org? And yes, I'm supporting the players and Zonic too whatever their decision!
Who says Zonic will start afresh in a new team? I feel if Zonic leaves, the four core members of Astralis leave with him. And I know this won't happen, but I want to see a new Team ?.
Does anyone knows the software they use to record the show? I'm starting a show with some local friends and I really like their setup, looks clean and Lukas seems to edit the visuals live.
@@mks2870 he didn't backstab that was blown out of proportion, however he could've given them more warning. The astralis players have since said that they took things too far for kjaerbye leaving. And zonic literally hugged him when north beat them at that one tournament
Tbh with VP I feel Jame is fine as an AWP but as an IGL I'm not so sure even though he was responsible for Avangar reaching the Starladder major finals and IEM Katowice finals.....i mean I do understand where their slow style comes from but if teams know that you are gonna hit a site at 10 secs on the clock you're done for. VP CT sides are fine cause y'know Jame and his AWP and the shit Sanji does for this team. But their T sides needs a major fuckin overhaul
I just started following csgo after some years and im confused. I thought that Astralis was made by the players, so who exactly are they in a disagreement with?
I bet there’s less viewers bcos it’s been so long since a major. Harder to give a fuck about “random event no.19173637” when you don’t have majors to break it up
1:09:25 I disagree about their being screwed either way. I think that they were in a very difficult position because of the accusations, BUT I do think that if they'd won in a more professional and well-monitored environment, they'd have shrugged off the majority of the hostility. But it was a huge amount of pressure, as they had to compete for their pride (assuming they were innocent) as well as to progress in the tournament. So it was a big ask and unfortunately they just couldn't pull out the W. Obviously it's not proof that they hacked, but they are going to have to prove their mettle in some form of high level and professional context, which seems unlikely if they're already looking for new teams.
The Astralis org fucked up the best team of all time. If I where an investor in Astralis I would demand that the leadership of the org got fired and replaced at once.
“CS is the only discipline where not being #1 is unacceptable” - Maniac Pure nonsense, look at fighting, you are a champion or you are shit, the difference is in CS there are so many chances to win if you are a top 3-4 team and you arent atleast winning something its simply not acceptable.
The point he makes is actually smart - Team sports... You're talking about individual sports. Obviously individual athletes always wanna be the best - but most settle to "only" do well once they realize that that isn't realistic.
Yeah the astralis org has been having minor controversies(?) within the management vs the personalities for a while it seems. Surprised that it’s taking this long to blow up tbh
am I only one distracted by one of the hosts swearing more than a band of teenagers on their first boys-night? I can get swearing for style points or for "filler" but when it's so frequent, I think it's overkill.
I mean.. counter strike is dying. The playerbase dropped 100,000 players with the introduction of the ranked paywall. That's (in theory) 100,000 cheaters inflating the actual playerbase. Its a cheaters game anymore. pretty sure this came out before the update though..
the days are brighter with HLTV podcasts.
+1
“We’re back at LAN”
Hope Heroic and Gambit can keep it going
+1
Gambit have won a major on LAN , they wont be facing problems especially hobbit
@@neilnair5388 are you dumb ? Some gambit 2017 players aren't even playing. This is a new roster. Hobbit joined in late 2020.
@@neilnair5388 only hobbit has won, i think shiro will have a lot of pressure issues, as he is the main awper.
@@neilnair5388 wow you're an idiot lol, hobbit is the only player from that major
Zonic leaving tells me that org does not want to rebuild the team in a way he thinks it should be done. He was salty about org selling es3tag and with reason... Dunno, org seems rotten
Astralis rotten? No way kappa
If Thorin saw this comment he would kiss you, he hates astralis org.
@@mattisbubba8372 I know, it just does not look like him to kiss me, he's kinda the "I told you so" kind of guy so he'd probably just mock me for not seeing that earlier. In my defense gla1ve and xyp taking the leave was the red flag for me and where I first had a sense of their player vs org thing
@@mattisbubba8372 I mean he kinda have few reasons to.
wasn't astralis supposed to be a player run org. At least that was the idea when they started. Sad everything got fucked up.
Maniac seems like a genuinely likeable and intelligent person. Nice podcast!
wow at 1:27:17 delayed gratification, part of self-discipline, that's exactly what I thought when you said that
my sis is studying and I sometimes read her books, learnt a great deal from them, helped me become a better person
and like everyone I'm glad LAN is finally back
maniac is a great guest
Haha liquid is literally a dark horse
liquid sleeping rn, they haven’t played in months
Liquidit shit
@@morefoodsmorenudes8046 they won summit like a month or so ago, forget when that event was.
@@jbowen8538 ye, they playing today i think
i think the op means the team's logo, i'm surprised noones talking about it.
As much as i like Xyp9x, they have to bench him and get a dedicated Awper.
Making Dupreeh Awp...is like supressing your best Entry Fragger.
I'd agree, thing is Bubzkji can't just be sloted into Xyp roles, that's kinda what they tried to do before and it really didn't work for him or for the team and he has proved to be able to play at a very good level in the shoes of Dupreeh, so it's a hard one for me, seems like you should get rid of one of them wich sucks.
Even I think the problem with Astralis is Bub and xyp......xyp not performing well and Bub not being able to play well in xyp's role
I agree as well. Also, I personally think Dupreeh's chemistry with es3tag as a duo is really worth to explore in a long run.
next hltv launders
He's already doing Blast podcast with Scrawny and it's pretty good
Cloud9 resurrection with zonic at the helm
pls no - astralis fanboy
don’t touch NA it’s got no saving
Sup guys , early because maniac is 💯
he really is
I like how you guys are being professional about the Akuma situation, but be honest with yourself. Just say they cheated, their insane “gamesense” is not there. Those rounds they won are due to the luck, but when they cheated in a no Anticheat environment, they got lucky 100% of the time. Nobody is calling them aimbotters or wallers, it’s pretty clear they had extra information though. It’s impossible to get as lucky as they got in EPIC, it’s kind of a Dream (speed runner) situation. Too much luck is pretty much almost always cheats.
true, everytime someone makes a cheating accusation i will always look onto it no matter how big the team is
cuase who would have really thought that a big name like dream was legit actually cheating
For some reason it's so hilarious seeing how many teams they predicted did not make it to playoffs. I think all of their Dark Horses got grouped XD
I don't even play CS but i love the pro scene and this podcast series.. 👌👌
I really wish we didn’t lose Train for the Na’Vi vs Gambit storyline I think they could’ve taught so much on that map and helped the player base learn so much truly
Zonic
gla1ve
dupreeh & es3tag duo
Magisk
new AWPer
new org
I'm a Dane and therefore really like the Astralis players, but I've always been disgusted by the org. Would be great to see a rebuild under a new org
@@bastianklingsten9471 Hi Bastian, sorry I'm living far away from Europe so I don't really know things in detail but can guess a bit that something's kinda off with the org. Do you happened to know some news or rumors that can only be heard by local people about the org? And yes, I'm supporting the players and Zonic too whatever their decision!
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@@bastianklingsten9471 if u reply tag me as well plz xD
@@BiruSyailendra The article Richard Lewis published on Astralis would be a good start
Man, maniac is such a great guest/analyst
Lucas, roll the bumper ! 💪
Why is SPUNJ in Antarctica?
Core player contracts run out at end of the year new team built start of 2022 Zonic, Dupreeh, G1ave, Xyp9x, Magisk and Es3tag Heard it hear first
Who says Zonic will start afresh in a new team? I feel if Zonic leaves, the four core members of Astralis leave with him. And I know this won't happen, but I want to see a new Team ?.
not getting bored of Navi vs Gambit
Astralis are not breaking up c'mon zonic solve your problems. You are the head coach! We need the team baack!
These are not his problems, these are problems at a management level
thank
BlameF
K0nfig
Magisk
Bubzkji
and maybe AcoR with Hunden as a Coach? damn
I cant see acor leaving mous, especially with how they’ve looked recently.
Listening this on a plane and being called shit... Sadge
XD, just be safe my man
@@sidhantjasrotia220 fuck the safety,I will jump out of plane and sing "I believe I can fly"
NAVI vs GAMBIT is really interesting rivalry.
hurts to read that description for maniac "loves to be called french"... that hurts as swiss guy :P
We need Coldzera here man
Damn, good idea. Bring him!
2:02:29 ayy that's a good one
omg omg omg omg, and I haven't even watched yet. .. Fan crush on 'Matchuu'
shoutouts to lagge15 from the hltv forums
1:51:09, pretty sure chad farted there 😂
Awesome show guys 🎉
SPUNJ still looking for that SIXER clip
Does anyone knows the software they use to record the show? I'm starting a show with some local friends and I really like their setup, looks clean and Lukas seems to edit the visuals live.
Most use obs
skinionaire was a lot of fun!!!
SPUNJ looks like PokerStars commentator Joe Staplenton...idk just for me maybe.Both little crazy :)
1:29:00 - Other sports have audience at the moment, in Europe, so to ask if there is an audience is a valid question. ..
1:38:00 - Can have audience outside for eSports too, big screens and piped sound for the players.
1:54:00 - Spirit must be under pressure to perform, given their potential and their lack of chances.
someone knows the song maniac said?
#FaZeUp
Anyone talking shit about kjaerbye leaving a struggling astralis for north can fight me
There is difference between leaving and literally back stabbing.
@@mks2870 he didn't backstab that was blown out of proportion, however he could've given them more warning. The astralis players have since said that they took things too far for kjaerbye leaving. And zonic literally hugged him when north beat them at that one tournament
Tbh with VP I feel Jame is fine as an AWP but as an IGL I'm not so sure even though he was responsible for Avangar reaching the Starladder major finals and IEM Katowice finals.....i mean I do understand where their slow style comes from but if teams know that you are gonna hit a site at 10 secs on the clock you're done for.
VP CT sides are fine cause y'know Jame and his AWP and the shit Sanji does for this team. But their T sides needs a major fuckin overhaul
I just started following csgo after some years and im confused. I thought that Astralis was made by the players, so who exactly are they in a disagreement with?
it was but now it not, basically.
The player basically sold their ownership of the team.So yeah
Get Launders as guest
if you watch all the episodes you can see spunj slowly lose his mind
=P
OMG I LOVE YOU CHAD😍😍
North will return to CS GO and snatch Zonic, they have money. They will let him build team he wants am assuming one or 2 players from Astralis .
People standing in aeroplanes on landing are the ones that have the problem of premature evacuation, if you know what I mean 😁
lmao that apex photo
interview FalleN
I bet there’s less viewers bcos it’s been so long since a major. Harder to give a fuck about “random event no.19173637” when you don’t have majors to break it up
BITSKINS ADD WENT WRONG
1:09:25 I disagree about their being screwed either way. I think that they were in a very difficult position because of the accusations, BUT I do think that if they'd won in a more professional and well-monitored environment, they'd have shrugged off the majority of the hostility. But it was a huge amount of pressure, as they had to compete for their pride (assuming they were innocent) as well as to progress in the tournament. So it was a big ask and unfortunately they just couldn't pull out the W.
Obviously it's not proof that they hacked, but they are going to have to prove their mettle in some form of high level and professional context, which seems unlikely if they're already looking for new teams.
2:26:50
The Astralis org fucked up the best team of all time. If I where an investor in Astralis I would demand that the leadership of the org got fired and replaced at once.
“CS is the only discipline where not being #1 is unacceptable” - Maniac
Pure nonsense, look at fighting, you are a champion or you are shit, the difference is in CS there are so many chances to win if you are a top 3-4 team and you arent atleast winning something its simply not acceptable.
The point he makes is actually smart - Team sports... You're talking about individual sports.
Obviously individual athletes always wanna be the best - but most settle to "only" do well once they realize that that isn't realistic.
@@Meatlooaf How about football then, Manchester United come second and they get ragged on by every analyst and pundit out there.
:)
Yeah the astralis org has been having minor controversies(?) within the management vs the personalities for a while it seems. Surprised that it’s taking this long to blow up tbh
Guys the language hurts my ears, please stop or my mom will ground me! reeEEEEEEEEE!!
am I only one distracted by one of the hosts swearing more than a band of teenagers on their first boys-night? I can get swearing for style points or for "filler" but when it's so frequent, I think it's overkill.
I mean.. counter strike is dying. The playerbase dropped 100,000 players with the introduction of the ranked paywall. That's (in theory) 100,000 cheaters inflating the actual playerbase. Its a cheaters game anymore. pretty sure this came out before the update though..
Can we tone it down with the bad language? Is that an eastern world thing? I enjoy the show except the constant F bombs.
Well, I'm assuming you're not from Europe. Everyday talking is 100x worse than this here.
This shows that CS is still an unprofessional sport. Pro sports the language is different.
@@TheSanien Not necessarily.
It depends on the country.