Hey Vito, what would you think of a prequal movie about Fn? They could get the guy making the Mandalorian to do it. It could be a stormtroopers story darker toned movie. John B could reprise his role, but in a different light. He could have his helmet on the whole movie or so. We could finally get that experience, and see what led him to become the Fn we saw in Force Awakens.
Hey Vito, I got two copies of Enemy Weapon for my brothers for Chrismtas, I'm sure they'll think it's hilarious! Now Regarding Star Wars, isn't it true that JJ Abrams did have rough drafts for the Episode 8 and 9 plots? If so, then I think he did have a idea of where his characters were going. I think he's one of the biggest victims in this mess because when Rian Johnson did a 90 degree turn on the story's narrative and character progression, it's incredibly difficult to try to steer back onto the straight path. I actually plan to do a critique of each movie after Rise of Skywalker comes out, as I am a big fan and want to shed some light on this. Keep up the good work
Finn would've been so much cooler to have as the main protagonist of this trilogy. A stormtrooper defecting is a cool shake up from what we already had with Luke and Anakin. The moment he also escapes with Poe in the Tie-Fighter in TFA was my favourite in the whole film. They had such great chemistry there. If only we got that in TLJ.
It could have been awesome. Finn would defect the First Order, being constantly called a coward for not having the stomach to follow the evil orders; then on the resistance's side he would find his courage, and a noble self-sacrifice. Even better if Poe had another arc, being evil while wearing the "mantle of justice", and finding redemption through Finn's actions ("he was on the evil side, but he's a better person than me".) Finn is too good to be forgotten by the sidelines. He should have died a hero.
he was the only caracter with "conflict" at the beginning of episode 7 first time i watch it i tought he was the main but 50 min after movie says f that
That's true, I saw him in the last jedi and I thought OMG he is going to die for his friends, he is a good man but then that crap of rose crashing him. I lost my faith on the character
@@mikegrady5669 ha yeah. It was all worth it rescuing those kangaroos? No. It was all worth it if Rose superbly loses. Finn rejects her. Exiled from the rebels. Shamed and forgotten. ... And Rey too.
What they did to Finn and Poe was just disrespectful. Poe went from a Leia’s most trusted guy she assigned a solo mission to in Force Awakens to that screwup she can’t leave alone cause he doesn’t listen. As a woman I could recognize how bad the sexiest and racist treatment of these two characters was.
Finn and Poe were the only two I gave a toss about (and Chewy) in the force awakens, they are relagated from B characters to D+ in the Last Jedi. What wasted potential
What's funny is that Poe went from being Leia's guy, to being on her shit list in less than a day, as TLJ starts right up from the end of FA. It makes no sense.
So did everyone with a brain. Would be a much better story if Finn was the focus. Former stormtrooper with a military background. Would have been better.
Have to agree. The idea of a disillusioned StormTrooper defecting is a fascinating new direction. The insult that we got was some useless comedy side kick. If I were John Boyega I would have been gutted by the way my character was flushed down the toliet
When a fan is called racist, sexist,misogynist, incel, manbaby, russianbot for having an opinion after purchasing a product.......they are a fool to go back
Welcome to Late 2019 and (hopefully not) Early 2020, where people who like the shit stuff, and tried to suppress the people with actual opinions and are right, and the people with opinions feel oppressed and are still upset with the shit stuff.
Even if you thought TLJ was awesome and you loved all the women-empowerment and subversion of expectations... at the very least, you have to admit that it presents an extreme lack of coherence in the trilogy. I mean, TLJ destroys all the plot threads JJ started, revamped the character arcs (and with it, their personalities), and left us with nothing to care about going forward -- no interesting villain, no close relationships, no likable characters.
dookdawg214 there’s not any female empowerment in the film as much as there is male empowerment. Things women do: Command the fleet, help on a failed mission to get a tracker, train with Luke, try to get Kylo to turn and lift some rocks at the end. Things men do: take down a dreadnought, aid the canto night mission, slice into the supremacy, lead a mutiny, lead an attack on FO walkers and do a force projection at the end to save the resistance. What’s the issue again? They’re re doing the same amount of stuff.
@@ECGCblu It’s not that we needed to know who Rey’s parents were. It’s just that she’s the protagonist and has inexplicably insane powers with little to no training. It’s ok to not tell us where all that comes from. But it’s not unreasonable to expect some answers after two full-length movies. Regarding the Emperor and Snoke. You make the same mistake that I see a lot of people make. You suggest that because we didn’t know the Emperor’s backstory then we don’t need to know Snoke’s. Here’s the ENORMOUS difference… When we meet the Emperor in TESB (and hear about him in ANH), he is not a character being inserted into an ongoing drama. Quite the contrary, it is us, the viewers, who are entering an already-existing world. Thousands of generations have passed by the time we experience the first movie. So no, they don’t owe us explanations and backstories for every character. It’s enough to know that the Emperor is the big boss man and that he’s evil as shit and that he probably has a very interesting backstory that we may or may not discover. In contrast, Snoke shows up shortly after the Empire was supposedly destroyed. Remember everyone on Endor singing songs and dancing with Ewoks? They thought it was the end of the Empire. Everyone did. But apparently, this evil dude, who seems way more powerful than the Emperor (in some ways; yet apparently stupid enough to killed by a Sith noobie) was somewhere on the sidelines and able to rebuild everything extremely quickly. It’s not unreasonable to expect an explanation for who Snoke was and how the Empire (First Order) was rebuilt so fast. As for how bland and uninteresting (I personally wouldn’t say unlikable) the characters are, well, that’s just subjective. I didn’t *want* to not like TLJ. The reviews were great when I went to go see it, so I was extremely excited. But I just can’t get into the characters. I just don’t find them interesting. I don’t feel like I was given any reason to care about any of them. Rey seems entitled to me. Fin and Poe started off promising in TFA but came off like total morons in TLJ. I lost all respect for both of them. And for that matter, I have little respect for what’s left of the Rebel fleet. I don’t even care if they win or lose. They take such absurdly retarded decisions that I find them unlikeable. The one character I really liked in TFA was Kylo Ren. He seemed vulnerable and genuinely conflicted. I feel like Abrams pulled off what Lucas should have but couldn’t with Anakin the prequels. To be fair, I don’t think Ryan Johnson did much to ruin Kylo Ren’s character. But at the same time, he’s not much of a villain. You seem to assume a lot of reasons I dislike TLJ which aren’t true. For instance, I had no problem with Abrams or Johnson killing off the old characters. Honestly, I wouldn’t have even included them in this trilogy. I would’ve maybe mentioned them in conversations or a couple short scenes. But I wouldn’t have given them so much screen time. I also don’t blame Ryan Johnson on how Luke ended up. I mean, after all that work and sacrifice to take down Vader, the Emperor and the entire Empire - and two Death Stars - to find out that, surprise, a couple decades later they’re all still here and now there’s an even bigger Death Star Starkiller thingy? Screw that. Any reasonable human would throw in the towel at that point. In my opinion, TLJ works better as a finale. It would’ve been nice to wrap everything up with Luke’s sacrifice and a nod at future generations of everyday force wielders. But Johnson was given a middle installment and, quite frankly, I think he just didn’t have the experience to write within such strict parameters. He’s an auteur wannabe who wanted to make something special through disruptive themes. That’s why the critics liked it. I don’t believe he had any plan on how things would continue, nor did he care. I’m very curious to see how JJ Abrams fixes his mess (or doesn’t). Tomorrow morning I’ll check it out.
Finn and Kylo are two of the more interesting characters in the new Star Wars, but they couldn't allow a man to shine over the all powerful and perfect Rey.
Ghost Medic because apparently women wanna know why she’s so beautiful and amazing at light sabers and shit. I hate this new age where feminazis are everywhere u go and if theirs no women in less then five seconds of a scene they get pissed
What's even worse is that Finn and Kylo narratively make more sense as foils to one another. Finn was kidnapped, raised, and brainwashed into being a storm trooper for the first order, yet chooses to reject this upbringing and conditioning, eventually joining the resistance because he feels it's the right thing to do, essentially choosing to be a good man. Kylo was raised in a normal home with his parents, had incredibly force potential, and was personally trained by Luke Skywalker in the ways of the Jedi, but chose to join the first order and idolize and imitate the worst aspects of his grandfather, in essence, choosing to be a bad man. Kylo specifically remembers Finn in particular, and you cannot tell me the entire thing about their being an Awakening in the force wasn't about him and how he threw off his conditioning. They even have actual character history, what with Kyle calling him a traitor and you know, presumably interacting with one another at some point working for the same organization, especially since Kylo knows exactly who he is. Even better, like every other star wars protagonist up until now, he fights Kylo and loses, getting seriously injured in the process, which would make for a great climactic confrontation between the two in the third and final film of the sequel trilogy. Also, Finn vs Kylo is by far the best lightsaber duel in the series, since John Boyega and Adam Driver both actually look like they know what they're doing and John Boyega is much better at swinging the light saber than Daisy Ridley is.
She should have been possessed by the dark side, so kylo and finn would join forces to fight her. perhaps throwing a lil bit of space soap opera into it by adding a love triangle , would have love to see a final battle like a type of the Good, the bad, and the ugly final scene where the three would fight against each other. Ray maybe with the double red saber like in the vision , Ben with the Skywalker sword and Finn with the rediscovered Master Windu purple saber. mmmm like a reminiscent of the final duel in Episode I.
@@luicastro2009 honestly when I heard of the sequel trilogy way before 2015, I was expecting a lightsaber fight with at least 3 people, because no one wants to get a remake of the ot.
Vito, from 16:00 on is exactly why I hate the post modern hero storytelling. It's always the tired "what if Superman wuz evilz" instead of "How is Superman inspiring?". I'm tired of others cynical outlook on life infecting my hero stories.
They are particularly ridicolous for a reason: Comics did the whole fucking time in the 90s. The "90s Anti-Hero" is a big archetype and was milked to the death of it. Trying to bring It back like 20/22 years after his death is stupid. Want a cynical and harah take on the subject of Heroes? Just search any of those comics. We did it a lot already.
I know....after the Force awakens I figured Boyega would be a Jedi in training with Luke and Mary Sue.... But John was turned into a side kick? He was used as bait to watch the last Jedi..... Johnson went around saying empire strikes back did bad at the theaters when it came out...that's why it was back in theaters again the next summer... Is considered in the top ten best movie ever LOL. Johnson, Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy tried hard to make Star Wars a joke 😂
I think that the Force awakens they made John more interesting than Daisy Ridley so the next movie they made him a sidekick that seems to forget about who he was lol. They twisted his character development to fanboy /some kind of love sick side kick yelling Rey .. Reeey...Reeeeyy.. . Everytime he sees her. Last Jedi may as well been the bachelorette. Rey had Finn, and Kylo both interested in her. It wasn't a star wars movie at all? At that point I was just like WTF why?
David metcalf I thought assume ither two things Purely off promotional material and the 1st movie. Finn was the awakening force. (Which was interesting because he was a force sensitive stormtrooper) Rey turns dark and ither there was a love triangle between the 3 or kylo and Rey were family. Ither.way the side of the force she decided would decide the galaxy because Finn would be the hero and kylo by killing his dad was originally written to stay dark throughout the trilogy.
If Ray joined Kylo, and Luke trained Finn as a underdog Jedi not as powerful as Kylo and Ray, that would have made for a story 1000x better. You get the love thing in there, and a epic underdog moment vs 2 powerful people. Kylo I thought really related with Ray so well, I don't know WHY she didn't join her. Along with Poe being wrong against purple hair.. made NO SENSE. I was rooting for Poe and then... OHHHH no, purple hair has all the answers.. I was so glad she died.. and I hate how they weaponized light speed, mind as well make light speed weapons, who needs a death star??
Good points, especially the last part. Never really thought I’d that. Completely right--why build a Death Star when you can just light speed a ship into a planet...
Silent Swordsman almost anything different from TLJ would have been an improvement. I think 99 out of 100 people could have written a better script in 10 minutes. It was very close to THE worst thing I've ever seen.
JJ Abrams is like a magician that starts a magic trick and then walks away before the reveal. He's all talk and no show. Luke's Lightsaber, which fell 20,000 feet from Cloud City, winds up stashed in a basement in a dusty old box on a random planet with no explanation or follow-up. Darth Vader's burned mask is sitting in a kitty litter box on display with no explanation as to how it was found or why it's there. A wicked new Sith Lord named Snoke is introduced, but we have no idea who or what he is. Ever. Finn is a Stormtrooper who defects, but he is quickly treated like any other random character with no follow-up to his Imperial roots. Phasma is introduced as the ultimate badass new character, then ignored for 95% of the movie. Visions of Luke Skywalker , Rey's parents leaving and The Knights Of Ren are shown, then quickly ignored and never again addressed.
You forgot the New Order is now as strong, if not stronger than the old, fallen empire. How exactly is that possible? That could have been a compelling story. Like a new, evil, rebellion or something. How did the republic fall to the new order? The whole point of the original movies was supposed to be (partially) about getting out from under the yoke of the emperor.. only.. its like nothing happened. How did they get the resources to build the star killer base. God what an awful mess. ALL of it.
@@jehsi- My question is, how did they amass so much power, even before they blew up Correscant. I mean, where did they get the manpower and resources to build the SKB? The show runners must have done a piss poor job explaining that, because that's a compelling plot thread and if I missed it, that's on them. It seems pretty important. It would have made a great story, in and of itself
Frankly, TLJ was terrible regardless of politics. I'm a pretty liberal person, and I didn't even notice any kind of political agenda watching the film the first time- I was too distracted by the terrible script and horrendous character assassinations.
@@thenewapelles6448 That's true. I saw no agenda on TLJ either. It was terrible on its own merit, but it's better to call anyone who criticizes it "FASCIST RUSSIAN BOT!!" because it makes them sound way more evil.
So it's okay that Rey is powerful then, right? And that means it's also okay the scene in Dagobah where Yoda explains to Luke a bunch of Buddhist beliefs and how dark is Journey will be? Also that adventure and excitement or something a jedi shouldn't crave? Hmmmm
@@sassythesasquatch7837 what do you mean? The characters were all learning lessons in failure and growing personally in this movie. It's not the end of the trilogy. It's the Low Middle Point. Exactly in what way were the characters so poorly used?
@@jeffwallace673 Rey being amazing at everything she does. Like knowing how to fix the falcon with no prior engeniering experience, even better than Han Solo who has been flying it for years. Beating Kylo Ren in a duel who was powerful enough to over power Luke Skywalker and destroy his entire Jedi order. Which leaves her character no room for growth. Which also ruins any future fights Rey and Kylo have because Rey, without any training, has already beaten him. And that's just Rey's character
You can’t have an objectively terrible movie you pathetic idiot look up the definition of art and objective and you’ll find very quickly they do not go together.
The character of Finn was thrown under the bus mere _minutes_ after his introduction. His sudden awakening of how it is bad to kill people is not ruined by the fact that he kills dozens of his _brothers_ in his escape, but by the fact that he *_enjoys_* it. His fellow stormtroopers were the only family he ever knew, and he has absolutely no problem shooting them like dogs. What he hell, DIsney??!?
@@MattyMilligan Mandalorian is not good... but it is better than the Disney sequels. I can't say that it is decent because it reminds me cartoon style of progress
Finn was so wasted as a character. In reality, they didn’t even need Rey really cause all they needed was Finn to be the unknown stormtrooper turned into a force user showing that people can come back from the dark side a la darth vader. Watching him progress from lowly storm trooper to force acolyte to at some point a Jedi to fight the Sith would have been incredible. Nope. We get generic Mary Sue crap that nobody wanted
Cuz he's fat. Jk jk I agree 100%. The blurring of lines of good and evil without a point is tiresome and lazy. It's much easier to depress people than inspire them. Pretty impressive of Vito as a critic to be pretty inspirational himself.
I feel so bad for John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Gwendolyn Christie, and even Kelly Marie Tran. Imagine being invited to be a part of Star Wars, only to have a moron like Rian Johnson destroy your new character's future while KK cheers him on.
Finn had some much potential being the first turn coat stormtrooper for the new cannon but Last Jedi did nothing with what was introduced Force Awakens.
If they had any balls, they would’ve made Finn become a Jedi and Rey turn to the dark side. Also, I’m sorry but Finn is just a terrible name and it always has been. I feel bad for Boyega.
For Star Wars to succeed, Episode 9 has to fail. It's the only way to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy and progress in the line of better products like The Mandalorian.
Rise of Skywalker wasn't that horrible but was still bad as it had to cover up all the plotholes created and left behind by Rian Johnson and his shitty movie. JJ Abrams wasn't the best director for star wars as he lacks understanding of the force as shown in TFA but hes still created great characters and setup the series well only for Rian Johnson to take a huge shit on it
I just...don’t see how Rise of Skywalker is going to be amazing. It can’t “fix” Star Wars, it can even be good, but...how on earth is RoS going to be a worthwhile conclusion?
Just a cup ‘o Joe it’s not. There is no salvaging it after the last Jedi. If it hadn’t been the second movie there might have been a chance to do damage control..but being the middle of trilogy..yeah. Rian Johnson basically said fuck logic. Fuck story telling..this.. This was a vanity project for him. So he told his story and screwed Star Wars...and Kennedy can go rot because she’s totally responsible
I rewatched The Force Awakens recently and I realized just how poor the writing is, even in that one. When it premiered, I fully expected it to be a safe rehash so I guess I forgave it at the time, but the fact that it took me four years to watch it again says something about how I really felt. Finn's character is just one example of many poorly executed ideas: A storm trooper has a sudden moral revelation that he is on the wrong side, then rescues an unknown enemy officer and enthusiastically starts shooting at his former brothers in arms --- all within the first 20 minutes! That Hux subsequently claims troopers are "programmed from birth" just underlines how unearned Finn's development was. Like everything else in the movie, it was motivated less by internal logical and more out of plot convenience. It can be argued that Rhian Johnson was left with the thankless task of polishing a turd, which isn't completely wrong. But that just means his job was harder, not impossible. Since the overall Star Wars story ended quite definitively in Return of the Jedi, both new movies have failed to justify their inclusion in the same narrative. I bet the last movie will try really hard, though.
J.J. did actually have a plan on where to take the next two films, but when Rian stepped in he was given creative freedom to take it wherever he wanted. This was the mistake, because it sidelined Finn, made a mess of things we cared about (like Rey's lineage and who Snoke really was). Essentially, J.J. was brought back to reign in the sh*tstorm Rian made, give us some cohesive story, and "fix' this mess. If anyone can do it, I think he can, so I'm grateful he agreed to take the reins back on this one. We shall see!
4:58 That word is the most important word between both paragraphs. He is saying he was distressed, embarrassed, feels he failed, humiliated. It's the most important word in him telling how he feels.
Great video! Loved it and I really enjoyed your analysis regarding the need to strive towards the good (15min). I think you’ve grasped the true Star Wars story telling principles perfectly. Keep up the good work, man!👍
Rewatched the prequels and the sequels recently and realized something. Star Wars is at its best with Lucas writing the story and the plot, while other writers and directors come in and nail the crafting of it. I think Abrams did a great job in Force Awakens as far as building a Star Wars movie that didn't feel like a video game, wasn't all in a green screen studio, had organics and real sand and beautiful matte-painting like skyline shots. He had great battles, space fights, light saber action, etc. But the sequels fail in that the story is a non-entity. It's rehashed from the originals and/or hobbled together virtue signalling scenes. Where's the Senate? Where's the politics? Where's the plotting and backstabbing and economic systems and the world building? That's what Lucas was amazing at. Had they kept Lucas as the chief storyteller and let JJ run the production we may have had the perfect iteration of a Star Wars trilogy. Until something like that presents itself again, Gareth Edwards seems to be the best we're gonna get.
Wouldn't it have been great if Finn, as an ex-storm trooper, could have become a double agent for the Rebellion? He could have been a secret Force user, and Kylo would have been disturbed because he could sense that someone nearby had Force powers, but he couldn't figure out who.
Vito, you have the best hats. I bet like 30 secs before the photo of JJ and Boyega at 2:15, JJ called to kathleen Kennedy and said “Get my coffee, bitch”
Shame too because I really was interested in Finn’s backstory and development. That was one of the few aspects of TFA that was truly original. TLJ / Rian Johnson totally destroyed everything for idealist messages. Wish JJ did all 3.
You're spot on about Finn being set up to be a Major character. But the script was rewritten heavily because of Kathleen Kennedy's influenced. He was going to be force sensitive, the proof is in a novel where during a training exercise he took down 35 troopers with only 36 shots all while caring a teammate on his back. Yes, this is the same teammate that was killed by Poe in the movie. And don't you find it funny how before the opening scene ends you see Kylo stops in his tracks and turns full face towards Finn (here's the funny part) and the next time he's on screen after Finn escapes you have Kylo and Snoke talking about an Awakening in the Force. Rey hasn't even done anything yet at that point and didn't even know what it was, they were clearly talking about Finn.
Well hi I always assumed Kylo stared at Finn just cause he was in the vicinity and giving off good dude vibes, shown to us by him not participating in slaughtering villagers, and Kylo could feel that, took note of it, and then knew his call number cause he either asked Phasma who he was, or he just knew because he's strong with the force and it would've been easy to just get his "name" from focusing on him for a moment like he did. He takes note of it, and then gets the payoff when he finds out a Stormtrooper has defected and so he knows who, logically, it would be. I always loved that part of the movie cause it's such a real life thing to happen. (Where you notice something even though you don't know why but then it comes up later and it's so satisfying.)
I CANNOT BELIEVE that Abrams actually, basically did pull something out of the dumpster fire of TLJ. I went into "Skywalker" with about as much enthusiasm as a cat taking a bath. I was so demoralized after TLJ that I couldn't even rant about it. I absolutely believed that there was no way to actually save the new trilogy. I found myself nodding, smiling, laughing, then (I tried hard to fight it) actually being genuinely touched watching the new movie. JJ somehow put something together that... I have to say is pretty good. I would say way better than Force Awakens. I left the theater with a renewed sense of hope. The whole second half of the movie I felt like I could hear JJ saying "sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded". I have to say that turning Rian's train wreck of burning toxic waste into a genuinely good Star Wars movie that almost fixed the new trilogy may be the greatest feat of Abrams' career.
There's a vacuum now. My Star Wars is dead but the demand for dark, violent, well-written science fiction will always remain. If Star Trek can compete concurrently as it did in the 1980s, then someone should step in and at least try to make this Disney trash obsolete and a bigger joke than it is now. I'm not saying it will ever be the same, but at least try. These Marvel movies and Disney are alienating an entire demographic who spent 30-40 years worshipping this stuff, and we still have plenty of time left on this planet
The people that get pandered to wont watch the movie and hate those disliking it because of the pandering. The people that would watch the movie hate it because of the pandering and hate the other group wanting to be pandered to. TF Is Disney even trying
Exploring the stormtroopers background was actually something they have never done before. In Attack of the clones they show the bounty hunter getting cloned for an army but in this they say he was taken from his village. They could have really explored the events after the clone wars and this stormtrooper might of even had a high midichlorian count.
“Thats what makes you care about these characters, because you see the other characters caring” I really just disagree I’m sorry. The reason I care and feel for these characters is by relating to them and understanding their story. By seeing them be human, make mistakes, learning from them, seeing what their values are and how they act on them. I don’t think one character caring about another has any influence on how the viewers feel.
Boyega is absolutely right about not knowing these new characters like we knew the classic group. We now have one movie left and no one knows anything about anyone other than basic descriptors. Rey: Jedi, Poe: Pilot, Finn: Ex-Stormtrooper
He is right about Finn and Poe being best together. In the Rise of Resistance book, they were great together. Finn and Poe are great buddy cop material that never get to be buddies on screen.
I dont mind a character being all dreary, like Luke was in TLJ. The ESB was dark throughout the film too. Have you not seen ROTS. It wasnt the movie like you were talking about; it wasnt hopeful and a movie you wanted to escape to. One of the reason TLJ was bad was because that's not what Luke was usually like. The problem was the story was not consistent with the previous stories.
It's crazy watching this video now after the latest release of episode 9 and how accurate you were in your assumptions and how the movie was going to turn out. Crazy good analysis!
4:46 there was a press conference a while back (i dont remember exactly which one) where hamill & johnson confirmed theyd started working on 8 before 7 came out.
I never understood how Finn was a seen as the force that actually awakens being entrusted with a light saber to do jedi lvl shit in episode 8 into later becoming a C list laughing stock in the last jedi. It almost felt like a totally different movie.
You are spot on with all of this. Ryan Johnson wasted the second movie. The plot did not move forward at all. He only killed off many many many good characters. So stupid.
By far the most tedious thing about Americans btw, is your insane obsession with skin pgimentation. An entire country of 320 million deranged racists. Everything is about race with you people. Will you please either shut up or, I don't know, sink into the sea or something?
Lol! I am a bi racial American and I completely agree with everything you all said. It's a sad sad state of mind. I'm not quite sure how America could make it through this 40's,50's and 60's, see growth in the understanding in diversity in the 70's,80's and 90's only to revert past most of that in the last 19 years
@@@jb-dn5fy Exactly. And also that segregation is now a bad thing and very, very evil, whereas it was black rights activists who were fighting for segregation so that black business owners could establish themselves in black communities. And now that Americans are desegregated, black businesses have all but disappeared in face of massive, faceless corporations. But it's still good though, even as US inner cities turn to ruins. Nothing wrong with being black. Nothing wrong with being white. The progressive thing would be to accept people's differences and tendency to stay together with other people like them. but this is now illegal for white people. The fake progressive thing is to insist that we all live on top of each other while giant corporations and their sellout politicians conquer the world around our ears.
Fishslap 33 yeah we still have people who believe race is real but it’s in the head. White people have set themselves up well with decisions/laws that now have lead to communities of no diversity. And those decisions still minorities suffer while whites are blind to how they are able to get a good home and education. Simply the corrupt system where white people made themselves better than everyone else and it’s stupid how much corruption there is in our offices.
Runtime is like 2h20m or so, I can’t help but feel like it’s not enough to start developing these characters and reintroduce Palpatine, and make the movie be a cohesive payoff to the sequel trilogy and the saga in general. Definitely the first time I’ll walk into the theatres, Star Wars ticket in hand and skepticism in my mind.
I think there is a hunger and market for noble, wholesome, and traditional values of the past. In this section I hear Vito describing how the beauty and depth of meaning of high art was meant to bring people closer to God, unlike the irreverence, apathy, and nihilism of post modernism. It's easy to make life feel meaningless. It's much harder to make life feel meaningful.
Imagine Rey and Finn training to be Jedi by Luke and Leia and then one of them falling to the dark side with Kylo Ren and then having an epic finale battle at the end.
What did you expect? TFA didnt establish anything. Literally there was nowhere to go but down. Which is why Jar Jar Abrams needed to dig up Palpatines corpse to make the finale even though it wasnt foreshadowed in the slightest. These movies have aged like milk
It's impossible to "stick the landing" if you're free falling, head first, outside the matt. It really doesn't matter how you course correct at that point, you'll still be DOA. Sticking the landing indicates that the jump itself was atleast decent.
I’m tired of people mistaking pessimism for realism. Reality has both good and bad. Pessimism is where you think everything sucks. They are not the same.
Love your content bud. In addition to your comments regarding "why can't try to portray a life that is positive, rather than the real, negative one", I'd also like to point out that I don't go to the movies to see my real life, I go to be entertained! If my life is so shitty, why would I want to go see a movie that's real like my life? No man, I go to have fun and because movies portray elements in life that we can't have
I agree. The story never gave Rey, Fin, and Poe to blossom and develop. If Poe could have totally got booted from the Resistance to help Fin amd Rey for a while. That would have been interesting.
I think there are aspects of Skywalker's hope and loyalty in the real world . Ever seen a parent never give up on a loser drug addict child ? Ever seen an adult devote years to getting to know the parents that threw them away as a child ? Ever seen a wife and child wait for husband in jail ? Ever seen 2 people who hate each other eventually become best friends after a fist fight ?
Rian Johnson should have been given one of the spinoffs. If he really wanted to explore a lot of the grey area and play with the concepts and do a deconstruction, thats fine. Kotor2 does this and is one of the most beloved stories in the franchise. The problem was he subverted the narrative the same way you would if you were building a house and halfway through stopped using bricks and started using jello pudding. I love jello pudding. but if you're building a house, use bricks. I cannot decide if JJ is worse because he built a sandcastle that looks just the original trilogy but is still just a sandcastle, or Rian Johnson for trying to kick it down and rebuild it into a full sized library seconds after I started noticing how it could become a much nicer and bigger sand castle [but still a sand castle] (edited for typesetting of all things. Thanks YT)
You can really see the disconnect between the main three characters towards the end of Last Jedi. That fact that Poe meets Rey for the first time at the end of 8 is strange.
Thank you for this excellent critique. It is wonderful how Disney is caught in the act and getting slammed over and over to help then understand there are consequences to messing with the Force. Karma.
I really liked the Force Awakens. However, the Last Jedi has crushed my feelings. It is so bad. It is like a piece of candy that is covered in dog poop. Why???!!!??? That is not Luke
Fin could have been great. To be alongside Rey as she tries to understand and use her power, and him, having no force powers, but has heart etc. etc. He should have went to the island. The 3 of them figuring it all out together...oh well. I'm not even a writer and that shit is 10X better.
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My man!
The link doesn't work for me. Did something happen to the site?
Hope you get better man
Hey Vito, what would you think of a prequal movie about Fn? They could get the guy making the Mandalorian to do it. It could be a stormtroopers story darker toned movie.
John B could reprise his role, but in a different light. He could have his helmet on the whole movie or so.
We could finally get that experience, and see what led him to become the Fn we saw in Force Awakens.
Hey Vito, I got two copies of Enemy Weapon for my brothers for Chrismtas, I'm sure they'll think it's hilarious! Now Regarding Star Wars, isn't it true that JJ Abrams did have rough drafts for the Episode 8 and 9 plots? If so, then I think he did have a idea of where his characters were going. I think he's one of the biggest victims in this mess because when Rian Johnson did a 90 degree turn on the story's narrative and character progression, it's incredibly difficult to try to steer back onto the straight path. I actually plan to do a critique of each movie after Rise of Skywalker comes out, as I am a big fan and want to shed some light on this. Keep up the good work
Finn would've been so much cooler to have as the main protagonist of this trilogy. A stormtrooper defecting is a cool shake up from what we already had with Luke and Anakin.
The moment he also escapes with Poe in the Tie-Fighter in TFA was my favourite in the whole film. They had such great chemistry there. If only we got that in TLJ.
It could have been awesome. Finn would defect the First Order, being constantly called a coward for not having the stomach to follow the evil orders; then on the resistance's side he would find his courage, and a noble self-sacrifice. Even better if Poe had another arc, being evil while wearing the "mantle of justice", and finding redemption through Finn's actions ("he was on the evil side, but he's a better person than me".)
Finn is too good to be forgotten by the sidelines. He should have died a hero.
he was the only caracter with "conflict" at the beginning of episode 7 first time i watch it i tought he was the main but 50 min after movie says f that
The escape part was complete bs.
That's true, I saw him in the last jedi and I thought OMG he is going to die for his friends, he is a good man but then that crap of rose crashing him. I lost my faith on the character
Totally agree! They wasted a huge opportunity with Finn.
How to fix this: make the movie 5 hours long, have them go back in time and start the movie where TLJ started and redo it haha.
At one point I would've been cool with "TLJ was all just a dream," and start over, but now I just want to see Star Wars fail. It's too late.
I wish they would have done the "it was just a dream" consept like in twilight breaking dawn part 2
lifetodamax. Same here. I just want to see ROS burn! That's sad
@@mikegrady5669 ha yeah. It was all worth it rescuing those kangaroos? No. It was all worth it if Rose superbly loses. Finn rejects her. Exiled from the rebels. Shamed and forgotten. ... And Rey too.
lifetodamax. "Not fighting what we hate...but saving what we love". Dumbest Line Ever! I felt nauseous lol
What they did to Finn and Poe was just disrespectful. Poe went from a Leia’s most trusted guy she assigned a solo mission to in Force Awakens to that screwup she can’t leave alone cause he doesn’t listen. As a woman I could recognize how bad the sexiest and racist treatment of these two characters was.
Finn and Poe were the only two I gave a toss about (and Chewy) in the force awakens, they are relagated from B characters to D+ in the Last Jedi. What wasted potential
Maesterful there’s a lot more to Poe’s character arc but... alright I guess...
Sexist maybe, but I don't really see how it's racist (correct me if I've missed something in the movie that says otherwise though)
What's funny is that Poe went from being Leia's guy, to being on her shit list in less than a day, as TLJ starts right up from the end of FA. It makes no sense.
21stcenturyhiphop because he disobeyed her orders and lost a lot of lives because of it. Like it’s perfectly explained in the movie
So did everyone with a brain. Would be a much better story if Finn was the focus. Former stormtrooper with a military background. Would have been better.
or they could have made rey not so boring
or make Rey and Finn both jedi and then one of them would fall to the darkside and fight eachother in the final battle.
Have to agree. The idea of a disillusioned StormTrooper defecting is a fascinating new direction. The insult that we got was some useless comedy side kick. If I were John Boyega I would have been gutted by the way my character was flushed down the toliet
Was really disappointed with how he was sidelimed in the last Jedi. Boyega's charismatic as fuck
A non jedi fighting with a lightsaber was the coolest thing ever
When a fan is called racist, sexist,misogynist, incel, manbaby, russianbot for having an opinion after purchasing a product.......they are a fool to go back
Welcome to Late 2019 and (hopefully not) Early 2020, where people who like the shit stuff, and tried to suppress the people with actual opinions and are right, and the people with opinions feel oppressed and are still upset with the shit stuff.
Most people who didn’t like TLJ will still go see it, which makes us fools :’(
nachowarrior1 they mostly do it out of respect you know
The Cooldog yep but to Disney, money is money
you’re not wrong lol
"Lecturing a black man about suffering" I burst with laughter
😂😂😂
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Wtf? I don't even remember making this comment
Even if you thought TLJ was awesome and you loved all the women-empowerment and subversion of expectations... at the very least, you have to admit that it presents an extreme lack of coherence in the trilogy. I mean, TLJ destroys all the plot threads JJ started, revamped the character arcs (and with it, their personalities), and left us with nothing to care about going forward -- no interesting villain, no close relationships, no likable characters.
dookdawg214 there’s not any female empowerment in the film as much as there is male empowerment. Things women do: Command the fleet, help on a failed mission to get a tracker, train with Luke, try to get Kylo to turn and lift some rocks at the end. Things men do: take down a dreadnought, aid the canto night mission, slice into the supremacy, lead a mutiny, lead an attack on FO walkers and do a force projection at the end to save the resistance. What’s the issue again? They’re re doing the same amount of stuff.
Don't talk or acknowledge anyone who liked that movie.
@@JGAbstract Fuck you.
@@nickfoster8336 you're a fucking idiot
@@ECGCblu It’s not that we needed to know who Rey’s parents were. It’s just that she’s the protagonist and has inexplicably insane powers with little to no training. It’s ok to not tell us where all that comes from. But it’s not unreasonable to expect some answers after two full-length movies.
Regarding the Emperor and Snoke. You make the same mistake that I see a lot of people make. You suggest that because we didn’t know the Emperor’s backstory then we don’t need to know Snoke’s. Here’s the ENORMOUS difference…
When we meet the Emperor in TESB (and hear about him in ANH), he is not a character being inserted into an ongoing drama. Quite the contrary, it is us, the viewers, who are entering an already-existing world. Thousands of generations have passed by the time we experience the first movie. So no, they don’t owe us explanations and backstories for every character. It’s enough to know that the Emperor is the big boss man and that he’s evil as shit and that he probably has a very interesting backstory that we may or may not discover.
In contrast, Snoke shows up shortly after the Empire was supposedly destroyed. Remember everyone on Endor singing songs and dancing with Ewoks? They thought it was the end of the Empire. Everyone did. But apparently, this evil dude, who seems way more powerful than the Emperor (in some ways; yet apparently stupid enough to killed by a Sith noobie) was somewhere on the sidelines and able to rebuild everything extremely quickly. It’s not unreasonable to expect an explanation for who Snoke was and how the Empire (First Order) was rebuilt so fast.
As for how bland and uninteresting (I personally wouldn’t say unlikable) the characters are, well, that’s just subjective. I didn’t *want* to not like TLJ. The reviews were great when I went to go see it, so I was extremely excited. But I just can’t get into the characters. I just don’t find them interesting. I don’t feel like I was given any reason to care about any of them. Rey seems entitled to me. Fin and Poe started off promising in TFA but came off like total morons in TLJ. I lost all respect for both of them. And for that matter, I have little respect for what’s left of the Rebel fleet. I don’t even care if they win or lose. They take such absurdly retarded decisions that I find them unlikeable.
The one character I really liked in TFA was Kylo Ren. He seemed vulnerable and genuinely conflicted. I feel like Abrams pulled off what Lucas should have but couldn’t with Anakin the prequels. To be fair, I don’t think Ryan Johnson did much to ruin Kylo Ren’s character. But at the same time, he’s not much of a villain.
You seem to assume a lot of reasons I dislike TLJ which aren’t true. For instance, I had no problem with Abrams or Johnson killing off the old characters. Honestly, I wouldn’t have even included them in this trilogy. I would’ve maybe mentioned them in conversations or a couple short scenes. But I wouldn’t have given them so much screen time.
I also don’t blame Ryan Johnson on how Luke ended up. I mean, after all that work and sacrifice to take down Vader, the Emperor and the entire Empire - and two Death Stars - to find out that, surprise, a couple decades later they’re all still here and now there’s an even bigger Death Star Starkiller thingy? Screw that. Any reasonable human would throw in the towel at that point.
In my opinion, TLJ works better as a finale. It would’ve been nice to wrap everything up with Luke’s sacrifice and a nod at future generations of everyday force wielders. But Johnson was given a middle installment and, quite frankly, I think he just didn’t have the experience to write within such strict parameters. He’s an auteur wannabe who wanted to make something special through disruptive themes. That’s why the critics liked it. I don’t believe he had any plan on how things would continue, nor did he care. I’m very curious to see how JJ Abrams fixes his mess (or doesn’t). Tomorrow morning I’ll check it out.
"a japanese man, with cancer, dying, slowly, while his family forgets about him." Perfect description of the Last Jedi. Basically the entire plot.
😂😂😂
Wait... *what*?
No, it’s a two hour space chase scene while a black guy and an Asian guy are at a casino.
Finn and Kylo are two of the more interesting characters in the new Star Wars, but they couldn't allow a man to shine over the all powerful and perfect Rey.
Ghost Medic because apparently women wanna know why she’s so beautiful and amazing at light sabers and shit. I hate this new age where feminazis are everywhere u go and if theirs no women in less then five seconds of a scene they get pissed
What's even worse is that Finn and Kylo narratively make more sense as foils to one another. Finn was kidnapped, raised, and brainwashed into being a storm trooper for the first order, yet chooses to reject this upbringing and conditioning, eventually joining the resistance because he feels it's the right thing to do, essentially choosing to be a good man. Kylo was raised in a normal home with his parents, had incredibly force potential, and was personally trained by Luke Skywalker in the ways of the Jedi, but chose to join the first order and idolize and imitate the worst aspects of his grandfather, in essence, choosing to be a bad man. Kylo specifically remembers Finn in particular, and you cannot tell me the entire thing about their being an Awakening in the force wasn't about him and how he threw off his conditioning. They even have actual character history, what with Kyle calling him a traitor and you know, presumably interacting with one another at some point working for the same organization, especially since Kylo knows exactly who he is. Even better, like every other star wars protagonist up until now, he fights Kylo and loses, getting seriously injured in the process, which would make for a great climactic confrontation between the two in the third and final film of the sequel trilogy. Also, Finn vs Kylo is by far the best lightsaber duel in the series, since John Boyega and Adam Driver both actually look like they know what they're doing and John Boyega is much better at swinging the light saber than Daisy Ridley is.
Rey = All powerful and perfect, and infinitely, cosmically, multiversally annoying.
She should have been possessed by the dark side, so kylo and finn would join forces to fight her. perhaps throwing a lil bit of space soap opera into it by adding a love triangle , would have love to see a final battle like a type of the Good, the bad, and the ugly final scene where the three would fight against each other. Ray maybe with the double red saber like in the vision , Ben with the Skywalker sword and Finn with the rediscovered Master Windu purple saber. mmmm like a reminiscent of the final duel in Episode I.
@@luicastro2009 honestly when I heard of the sequel trilogy way before 2015, I was expecting a lightsaber fight with at least 3 people, because no one wants to get a remake of the ot.
Vito, from 16:00 on is exactly why I hate the post modern hero storytelling. It's always the tired "what if Superman wuz evilz" instead of "How is Superman inspiring?".
I'm tired of others cynical outlook on life infecting my hero stories.
They are particularly ridicolous for a reason: Comics did the whole fucking time in the 90s.
The "90s Anti-Hero" is a big archetype and was milked to the death of it. Trying to bring It back like 20/22 years after his death is stupid.
Want a cynical and harah take on the subject of Heroes? Just search any of those comics. We did it a lot already.
Boyega was the Jedi we were expecting tbh.
I know....after the Force awakens I figured Boyega would be a Jedi in training with Luke and Mary Sue....
But John was turned into a side kick? He was used as bait to watch the last Jedi..... Johnson went around saying empire strikes back did bad at the theaters when it came out...that's why it was back in theaters again the next summer... Is considered in the top ten best movie ever LOL. Johnson, Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy tried hard to make Star Wars a joke 😂
Litterly was under the impression he was the awakening force. Rey would go dark.
I think that the Force awakens they made John more interesting than Daisy Ridley so the next movie they made him a sidekick that seems to forget about who he was lol. They twisted his character development to fanboy /some kind of love sick side kick yelling Rey .. Reeey...Reeeeyy.. . Everytime he sees her. Last Jedi may as well been the bachelorette. Rey had Finn, and Kylo both interested in her. It wasn't a star wars movie at all? At that point I was just like WTF why?
David metcalf I thought assume ither two things Purely off promotional material and the 1st movie. Finn was the awakening force. (Which was interesting because he was a force sensitive stormtrooper) Rey turns dark and ither there was a love triangle between the 3 or kylo and Rey were family. Ither.way the side of the force she decided would decide the galaxy because Finn would be the hero and kylo by killing his dad was originally written to stay dark throughout the trilogy.
I was expecting him to be trained in the last jedi after going toe to toe with kylo ren.
If Ray joined Kylo, and Luke trained Finn as a underdog Jedi not as powerful as Kylo and Ray, that would have made for a story 1000x better. You get the love thing in there, and a epic underdog moment vs 2 powerful people. Kylo I thought really related with Ray so well, I don't know WHY she didn't join her. Along with Poe being wrong against purple hair.. made NO SENSE. I was rooting for Poe and then... OHHHH no, purple hair has all the answers.. I was so glad she died.. and I hate how they weaponized light speed, mind as well make light speed weapons, who needs a death star??
Good points, especially the last part. Never really thought I’d that. Completely right--why build a Death Star when you can just light speed a ship into a planet...
Silent Swordsman almost anything different from TLJ would have been an improvement. I think 99 out of 100 people could have written a better script in 10 minutes. It was very close to THE worst thing I've ever seen.
Its Rey not Ray lmao
JJ Abrams is like a magician that starts a magic trick and then walks away before the reveal. He's all talk and no show.
Luke's Lightsaber, which fell 20,000 feet from Cloud City, winds up stashed in a basement in a dusty old box on a random planet with no explanation or follow-up.
Darth Vader's burned mask is sitting in a kitty litter box on display with no explanation as to how it was found or why it's there.
A wicked new Sith Lord named Snoke is introduced, but we have no idea who or what he is. Ever.
Finn is a Stormtrooper who defects, but he is quickly treated like any other random character with no follow-up to his Imperial roots.
Phasma is introduced as the ultimate badass new character, then ignored for 95% of the movie.
Visions of Luke Skywalker , Rey's parents leaving and The Knights Of Ren are shown, then quickly ignored and never again addressed.
A lot of that isn't JJ's fault. TFA was a good movie, not great, but it set up a lot of interesting plot lines that Rian Johnson completely ruined
You clearly haven’t heard of story setups before.
You forgot the New Order is now as strong, if not stronger than the old, fallen empire. How exactly is that possible? That could have been a compelling story. Like a new, evil, rebellion or something. How did the republic fall to the new order? The whole point of the original movies was supposed to be (partially) about getting out from under the yoke of the emperor.. only.. its like nothing happened. How did they get the resources to build the star killer base. God what an awful mess. ALL of it.
@@jamescoddington2954 The republic fell to the new order when it blew up Coruscant. They were telling you the story, you didn't listen.
@@jehsi- My question is, how did they amass so much power, even before they blew up Correscant. I mean, where did they get the manpower and resources to build the SKB? The show runners must have done a piss poor job explaining that, because that's a compelling plot thread and if I missed it, that's on them. It seems pretty important. It would have made a great story, in and of itself
I hated it too but apparently that makes me every phobe and ist buzzword on the planet.
Its funny how they are creating ist and phobes by pissing everyone off
How deer you, you istaphobe!
then you could say you are a pianist or guitarist or vocalist
Frankly, TLJ was terrible regardless of politics. I'm a pretty liberal person, and I didn't even notice any kind of political agenda watching the film the first time- I was too distracted by the terrible script and horrendous character assassinations.
@@thenewapelles6448 That's true. I saw no agenda on TLJ either. It was terrible on its own merit, but it's better to call anyone who criticizes it "FASCIST RUSSIAN BOT!!" because it makes them sound way more evil.
"Captain Phasma, the lamest character in all of Star Wars."
L3-37 wants to:
-Know your location
Yeah captain plasma has more character building than Rey
I thought Dexster Jetster and his 50's diner is the lamest character.
Maverick180c dexter at least furthered the plot in a relevant way though lol phasma has done literally nothing but get her ass beat
Welllll, whudda ya know?
@@Maverick180c At least he had a character and furthered the plot. And was likeable from the short time we see him.
Star Wars is a Space Opera. Everything is heightened, it's supposed to be exaggerated, melodramatic. Dragging it down to mundane realism kills it.
Nostra Fn Damus it doesn’t have to be realistic just well written and to make sense in the starwars law
So it's okay that Rey is powerful then, right? And that means it's also okay the scene in Dagobah where Yoda explains to Luke a bunch of Buddhist beliefs and how dark is Journey will be? Also that adventure and excitement or something a jedi shouldn't crave? Hmmmm
That doesn't apply to the awful use of the characters tho
@@sassythesasquatch7837 what do you mean? The characters were all learning lessons in failure and growing personally in this movie. It's not the end of the trilogy. It's the Low Middle Point. Exactly in what way were the characters so poorly used?
@@jeffwallace673 Rey being amazing at everything she does. Like knowing how to fix the falcon with no prior engeniering experience, even better than Han Solo who has been flying it for years. Beating Kylo Ren in a duel who was powerful enough to over power Luke Skywalker and destroy his entire Jedi order. Which leaves her character no room for growth. Which also ruins any future fights Rey and Kylo have because Rey, without any training, has already beaten him. And that's just Rey's character
It actually blows my mind that people think TLJ is a good movie. It's objectivly a terrible movie.
Someone has to be mentally challenged. I guess it's them.
It is only a tiny minority the people who like The last Jedi
You can’t have an objectively terrible movie you pathetic idiot look up the definition of art and objective and you’ll find very quickly they do not go together.
Kuiper 2104 your right but in the TLJs case your wrong
@@2000dpdpdp that's not how that works
The character of Finn was thrown under the bus mere _minutes_ after his introduction. His sudden awakening of how it is bad to kill people is not ruined by the fact that he kills dozens of his _brothers_ in his escape, but by the fact that he *_enjoys_* it. His fellow stormtroopers were the only family he ever knew, and he has absolutely no problem shooting them like dogs. What he hell, DIsney??!?
This just proves even further Disney Star Wars is trash.
Rogue One was pretty good
The very definition of style over substance.
yeah they should remake the old trilogiy with every generaltion, who cares about story progress , sequels, plot twists, unexpected things
Mandalorian is decent so far. I think Jon Favreau understands that Star Wars is different from the MCU, Pixar and other Disney assets.
@@MattyMilligan Mandalorian is not good... but it is better than the Disney sequels. I can't say that it is decent because it reminds me cartoon style of progress
"Attack the Block" is better than any of the new Star Wars movies.
Dude I felt the same for fin. They made him into such a joke
Finn was so wasted as a character. In reality, they didn’t even need Rey really cause all they needed was Finn to be the unknown stormtrooper turned into a force user showing that people can come back from the dark side a la darth vader. Watching him progress from lowly storm trooper to force acolyte to at some point a Jedi to fight the Sith would have been incredible. Nope. We get generic Mary Sue crap that nobody wanted
RJs wikipedia page says TLJ opened " to positive reviews from critics *and audiences*". What a joke.
Vito's speech about there being good in the world toward the end of the video gave off a very Samwise Gamgee feel.
Cuz he's fat.
Jk jk I agree 100%. The blurring of lines of good and evil without a point is tiresome and lazy. It's much easier to depress people than inspire them. Pretty impressive of Vito as a critic to be pretty inspirational himself.
I feel so bad for John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Gwendolyn Christie, and even Kelly Marie Tran. Imagine being invited to be a part of Star Wars, only to have a moron like Rian Johnson destroy your new character's future while KK cheers him on.
Finn had some much potential being the first turn coat stormtrooper for the new cannon but Last Jedi did nothing with what was introduced Force Awakens.
Ooo that would've been cool if he led like a rebellion of other turncoats within the bad guys.
I definitely agree. Force Awakens was actually promising because it felt like it was Finn's story, and that made it kinda work.
Finn had potential for the "hero journey" more than any new character, yes.
It’s almost like Rian Johnson was punking out JJ...like I’m gonna F this up and see how he fixes it
JJ Abrams had written three full scripts for these movies that Ryan Johnson threw away and started over on
Coleman Baker he should have just directed all three. At least they would have made sense.
If they had any balls, they would’ve made Finn become a Jedi and Rey turn to the dark side. Also, I’m sorry but Finn is just a terrible name and it always has been. I feel bad for Boyega.
For Star Wars to succeed, Episode 9 has to fail. It's the only way to get rid of Kathleen Kennedy and progress in the line of better products like The Mandalorian.
thank god it did, it earned the least out of all the sequels.
And thank God the Mandalorian kicked as much ass as it did. I was so cynical about the Mandalorian but when I finally watched it, I was blown away.
Rise of Skywalker wasn't that horrible but was still bad as it had to cover up all the plotholes created and left behind by Rian Johnson and his shitty movie. JJ Abrams wasn't the best director for star wars as he lacks understanding of the force as shown in TFA but hes still created great characters and setup the series well only for Rian Johnson to take a huge shit on it
I just...don’t see how Rise of Skywalker is going to be amazing. It can’t “fix” Star Wars, it can even be good, but...how on earth is RoS going to be a worthwhile conclusion?
Just a cup ‘o Joe it’s not. There is no salvaging it after the last Jedi. If it hadn’t been the second movie there might have been a chance to do damage control..but being the middle of trilogy..yeah. Rian Johnson basically said fuck logic. Fuck story telling..this..
This was a vanity project for him. So he told his story and screwed Star Wars...and Kennedy can go rot because she’s totally responsible
“There’s no way to undo the second movie”
Boy did they try...
I rewatched The Force Awakens recently and I realized just how poor the writing is, even in that one. When it premiered, I fully expected it to be a safe rehash so I guess I forgave it at the time, but the fact that it took me four years to watch it again says something about how I really felt.
Finn's character is just one example of many poorly executed ideas: A storm trooper has a sudden moral revelation that he is on the wrong side, then rescues an unknown enemy officer and enthusiastically starts shooting at his former brothers in arms --- all within the first 20 minutes! That Hux subsequently claims troopers are "programmed from birth" just underlines how unearned Finn's development was. Like everything else in the movie, it was motivated less by internal logical and more out of plot convenience.
It can be argued that Rhian Johnson was left with the thankless task of polishing a turd, which isn't completely wrong. But that just means his job was harder, not impossible. Since the overall Star Wars story ended quite definitively in Return of the Jedi, both new movies have failed to justify their inclusion in the same narrative. I bet the last movie will try really hard, though.
Finn he "could have been a contender," he "could have been a somebody!" XD
J.J. did actually have a plan on where to take the next two films, but when Rian stepped in he was given creative freedom to take it wherever he wanted. This was the mistake, because it sidelined Finn, made a mess of things we cared about (like Rey's lineage and who Snoke really was). Essentially, J.J. was brought back to reign in the sh*tstorm Rian made, give us some cohesive story, and "fix' this mess. If anyone can do it, I think he can, so I'm grateful he agreed to take the reins back on this one. We shall see!
It's a pretty awesome looking coat tbh
"I'm the racist here."
Vito, 2019
I wanted Finn to be the Jedi. They wanted to do the WHOLE SJW bs they could’ve had a black lead as a main Jedi
He could've been the new Mace 😔
If you want to know how much Disney cares for social justice and diversity, look up their Star Wars posters for China.
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That word is the most important word between both paragraphs. He is saying he was distressed, embarrassed, feels he failed, humiliated. It's the most important word in him telling how he feels.
Great video! Loved it and I really enjoyed your analysis regarding the need to strive towards the good (15min). I think you’ve grasped the true Star Wars story telling principles perfectly. Keep up the good work, man!👍
Imagine it. Finn going on a mission to free the other storm troopers and teach them to rise up against authority.
Rewatched the prequels and the sequels recently and realized something. Star Wars is at its best with Lucas writing the story and the plot, while other writers and directors come in and nail the crafting of it. I think Abrams did a great job in Force Awakens as far as building a Star Wars movie that didn't feel like a video game, wasn't all in a green screen studio, had organics and real sand and beautiful matte-painting like skyline shots. He had great battles, space fights, light saber action, etc. But the sequels fail in that the story is a non-entity. It's rehashed from the originals and/or hobbled together virtue signalling scenes. Where's the Senate? Where's the politics? Where's the plotting and backstabbing and economic systems and the world building? That's what Lucas was amazing at. Had they kept Lucas as the chief storyteller and let JJ run the production we may have had the perfect iteration of a Star Wars trilogy. Until something like that presents itself again, Gareth Edwards seems to be the best we're gonna get.
Jeez, why can’t Star Wars fans accept that TLJ was crap .. us trekkies have to live with Star Trek V !?! .. do ya think we’re proud of that one?
Wouldn't it have been great if Finn, as an ex-storm trooper, could have become a double agent for the Rebellion? He could have been a secret Force user, and Kylo would have been disturbed because he could sense that someone nearby had Force powers, but he couldn't figure out who.
Vito, you have the best hats. I bet like 30 secs before the photo of JJ and Boyega at 2:15, JJ called to kathleen Kennedy and said “Get my coffee, bitch”
Shame too because I really was interested in Finn’s backstory and development. That was one of the few aspects of TFA that was truly original. TLJ / Rian Johnson totally destroyed everything for idealist messages. Wish JJ did all 3.
You're spot on about Finn being set up to be a Major character. But the script was rewritten heavily because of Kathleen Kennedy's influenced. He was going to be force sensitive, the proof is in a novel where during a training exercise he took down 35 troopers with only 36 shots all while caring a teammate on his back. Yes, this is the same teammate that was killed by Poe in the movie. And don't you find it funny how before the opening scene ends you see Kylo stops in his tracks and turns full face towards Finn (here's the funny part) and the next time he's on screen after Finn escapes you have Kylo and Snoke talking about an Awakening in the Force. Rey hasn't even done anything yet at that point and didn't even know what it was, they were clearly talking about Finn.
Well hi I always assumed Kylo stared at Finn just cause he was in the vicinity and giving off good dude vibes, shown to us by him not participating in slaughtering villagers, and Kylo could feel that, took note of it, and then knew his call number cause he either asked Phasma who he was, or he just knew because he's strong with the force and it would've been easy to just get his "name" from focusing on him for a moment like he did. He takes note of it, and then gets the payoff when he finds out a Stormtrooper has defected and so he knows who, logically, it would be. I always loved that part of the movie cause it's such a real life thing to happen. (Where you notice something even though you don't know why but then it comes up later and it's so satisfying.)
First time coming across one of your videos, and I really enjoyed the format and laughed a lot at your commentary. Keep it up!
Hey thanks a lot! I appeciate that feedback.
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💋 Remember your dark sith training begins here.
I CANNOT BELIEVE that Abrams actually, basically did pull something out of the dumpster fire of TLJ. I went into "Skywalker" with about as much enthusiasm as a cat taking a bath. I was so demoralized after TLJ that I couldn't even rant about it. I absolutely believed that there was no way to actually save the new trilogy. I found myself nodding, smiling, laughing, then (I tried hard to fight it) actually being genuinely touched watching the new movie. JJ somehow put something together that... I have to say is pretty good. I would say way better than Force Awakens. I left the theater with a renewed sense of hope. The whole second half of the movie I felt like I could hear JJ saying "sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded".
I have to say that turning Rian's train wreck of burning toxic waste into a genuinely good Star Wars movie that almost fixed the new trilogy may be the greatest feat of Abrams' career.
There's a vacuum now. My Star Wars is dead but the demand for dark, violent, well-written science fiction will always remain. If Star Trek can compete concurrently as it did in the 1980s, then someone should step in and at least try to make this Disney trash obsolete and a bigger joke than it is now. I'm not saying it will ever be the same, but at least try. These Marvel movies and Disney are alienating an entire demographic who spent 30-40 years worshipping this stuff, and we still have plenty of time left on this planet
The people that get pandered to wont watch the movie and hate those disliking it because of the pandering.
The people that would watch the movie hate it because of the pandering and hate the other group wanting to be pandered to.
TF Is Disney even trying
Exploring the stormtroopers background was actually something they have never done before. In Attack of the clones they show the bounty hunter getting cloned for an army but in this they say he was taken from his village. They could have really explored the events after the clone wars and this stormtrooper might of even had a high midichlorian count.
“Thats what makes you care about these characters, because you see the other characters caring”
I really just disagree I’m sorry. The reason I care and feel for these characters is by relating to them and understanding their story. By seeing them be human, make mistakes, learning from them, seeing what their values are and how they act on them. I don’t think one character caring about another has any influence on how the viewers feel.
I'm not saying it's the only reason you care, but it adds a lot to have those character interactions rather than everybody having indpendent arcs.
Boyega is absolutely right about not knowing these new characters like we knew the classic group. We now have one movie left and no one knows anything about anyone other than basic descriptors. Rey: Jedi, Poe: Pilot, Finn: Ex-Stormtrooper
Dont waste money on this crap.
SW lives in us and is otherwise dead with Disney.
He is right about Finn and Poe being best together. In the Rise of Resistance book, they were great together. Finn and Poe are great buddy cop material that never get to be buddies on screen.
Vito, great and beautiful emotional speech about hope and inspiration. Thanks bro👍❤️
Fin should've died in TLJ by sacrificing himself to take out the battering ram. That would've been the perfect arc to his character.
I dont mind a character being all dreary, like Luke was in TLJ. The ESB was dark throughout the film too. Have you not seen ROTS. It wasnt the movie like you were talking about; it wasnt hopeful and a movie you wanted to escape to. One of the reason TLJ was bad was because that's not what Luke was usually like. The problem was the story was not consistent with the previous stories.
It's crazy watching this video now after the latest release of episode 9 and how accurate you were in your assumptions and how the movie was going to turn out. Crazy good analysis!
4:46 there was a press conference a while back (i dont remember exactly which one) where hamill & johnson confirmed theyd started working on 8 before 7 came out.
"Lecturing a black man about suffering" LMAO. As a black man myself, that shit funny as hell
I never understood how Finn was a seen as the force that actually awakens being entrusted with a light saber to do jedi lvl shit in episode 8 into later becoming a C list laughing stock in the last jedi. It almost felt like a totally different movie.
You are spot on with all of this. Ryan Johnson wasted the second movie. The plot did not move forward at all. He only killed off many many many good characters. So stupid.
Hey disney, friendly tip: decanonize the sequels.
2:15 JJ Abrams is thinking: I'm friends with a black guy and there are too many white people in this room.
Well whats his ethnicity?!
By far the most tedious thing about Americans btw, is your insane obsession with skin pgimentation. An entire country of 320 million deranged racists. Everything is about race with you people. Will you please either shut up or, I don't know, sink into the sea or something?
Lol! I am a bi racial American and I completely agree with everything you all said. It's a sad sad state of mind. I'm not quite sure how America could make it through this 40's,50's and 60's, see growth in the understanding in diversity in the 70's,80's and 90's only to revert past most of that in the last 19 years
@@@jb-dn5fy Exactly. And also that segregation is now a bad thing and very, very evil, whereas it was black rights activists who were fighting for segregation so that black business owners could establish themselves in black communities. And now that Americans are desegregated, black businesses have all but disappeared in face of massive, faceless corporations. But it's still good though, even as US inner cities turn to ruins.
Nothing wrong with being black. Nothing wrong with being white. The progressive thing would be to accept people's differences and tendency to stay together with other people like them. but this is now illegal for white people. The fake progressive thing is to insist that we all live on top of each other while giant corporations and their sellout politicians conquer the world around our ears.
Fishslap 33 yeah we still have people who believe race is real but it’s in the head. White people have set themselves up well with decisions/laws that now have lead to communities of no diversity. And those decisions still minorities suffer while whites are blind to how they are able to get a good home and education. Simply the corrupt system where white people made themselves better than everyone else and it’s stupid how much corruption there is in our offices.
The most uncomfortable kiss scene ever lmso
Runtime is like 2h20m or so, I can’t help but feel like it’s not enough to start developing these characters and reintroduce Palpatine, and make the movie be a cohesive payoff to the sequel trilogy and the saga in general. Definitely the first time I’ll walk into the theatres, Star Wars ticket in hand and skepticism in my mind.
15:27 this one and a half minutes was especially well done. Yes indeed why not?
I think there is a hunger and market for noble, wholesome, and traditional values of the past. In this section I hear Vito describing how the beauty and depth of meaning of high art was meant to bring people closer to God, unlike the irreverence, apathy, and nihilism of post modernism. It's easy to make life feel meaningless. It's much harder to make life feel meaningful.
Imagine Rey and Finn training to be Jedi by Luke and Leia and then one of them falling to the dark side with Kylo Ren and then having an epic finale battle at the end.
TLJ was many things, "grounded" and "realistic" were not amongst them.
What did you expect? TFA didnt establish anything. Literally there was nowhere to go but down. Which is why Jar Jar Abrams needed to dig up Palpatines corpse to make the finale even though it wasnt foreshadowed in the slightest. These movies have aged like milk
It's impossible to "stick the landing" if you're free falling, head first, outside the matt. It really doesn't matter how you course correct at that point, you'll still be DOA.
Sticking the landing indicates that the jump itself was atleast decent.
So, they are like everyone else who doesn't regularly spray their underpants with soy? 🤣
0:45. Who knew he was patient zero for COVID-19 in the US??? Lol. JK
I never thought a baby blue duster would ever be a thing, let alone, "nice looking."
Johh Boyega and Daisy Ridley are so wooden and forgettable in these films that you would probably not recognize them if you passed them on the street
I’m tired of people mistaking pessimism for realism. Reality has both good and bad. Pessimism is where you think everything sucks. They are not the same.
They deleted me from rise of Skywalker... I was just a. Voice in one scene and a old mask..... OUTRAGEOUS AAGGHHHHHHHHHHH
Rise of Skywalker, from the trailers at least, looks like it would be a decent second film in a trilogy. As a final movie I am not so sure.
Love your content bud. In addition to your comments regarding "why can't try to portray a life that is positive, rather than the real, negative one", I'd also like to point out that I don't go to the movies to see my real life, I go to be entertained! If my life is so shitty, why would I want to go see a movie that's real like my life? No man, I go to have fun and because movies portray elements in life that we can't have
Exactly. If I want real life I can just go work my job or something else depressing.
I agree. The story never gave Rey, Fin, and Poe to blossom and develop. If Poe could have totally got booted from the Resistance to help Fin amd Rey for a while. That would have been interesting.
I think there are aspects of Skywalker's hope and loyalty in the real world .
Ever seen a parent never give up on a loser drug addict child ? Ever seen an adult devote years to getting to know the parents that threw them away as a child ?
Ever seen a wife and child wait for husband in jail ?
Ever seen 2 people who hate each other eventually become best friends after a fist fight ?
Rian Johnson should have been given one of the spinoffs.
If he really wanted to explore a lot of the grey area and play with the concepts and do a deconstruction, thats fine. Kotor2 does this and is one of the most beloved stories in the franchise. The problem was he subverted the narrative the same way you would if you were building a house and halfway through stopped using bricks and started using jello pudding. I love jello pudding. but if you're building a house, use bricks.
I cannot decide if JJ is worse because he built a sandcastle that looks just the original trilogy but is still just a sandcastle, or Rian Johnson for trying to kick it down and rebuild it into a full sized library seconds after I started noticing how it could become a much nicer and bigger sand castle [but still a sand castle]
(edited for typesetting of all things. Thanks YT)
You can really see the disconnect between the main three characters towards the end of Last Jedi. That fact that Poe meets Rey for the first time at the end of 8 is strange.
Thank you for this excellent critique. It is wonderful how Disney is caught in the act and getting slammed over and over to help then understand there are consequences to messing with the Force. Karma.
when they first read the script...they were probably waiting for ashton kutchner to pop out
I strongly object to the notion that Rian Johnson's movie was 'realistic'.
AMEN !!!! preach it brother !!! agreed completely !! i hope you feel better soon.
great vid vito. insightful and well-said.
and i think everything you hit on rang true.
You're the MAN Vito!
If you watch this on a small screen that Boyega pic with the weird jacket looks like him and his two random friends posing.
Still the best intro on the ole UA-cams.
@9:30 "trying to introduce realism in star wars"
Oh, like how Leia opened a non airlock door in the middle of space?
I really liked the Force Awakens. However, the Last Jedi has crushed my feelings. It is so bad. It is like a piece of candy that is covered in dog poop. Why???!!!??? That is not Luke
Amen, brother. Great point about inspiration of high ideals in escapism storytelling.
Fin could have been great. To be alongside Rey as she tries to understand and use her power, and him, having no force powers, but has heart etc. etc. He should have went to the island. The 3 of them figuring it all out together...oh well. I'm not even a writer and that shit is 10X better.