NOTE: As you saw, I do not recommend LDS doctrine because their doctrine spots are to valuable! as well as you do not need Bracing stuns, because they have the same thing as a baseline.
Really good guide! I went from getting 20 kills and losing my unit almost instandly to them being my MVP most of the time with 60+ kills! Hopefully you keep making more unit guides!
@@DTQXZ glad it help, there are more guides in my channel if you need, and about the future - when there is something complicated I will make another one :)))
thx for the guide i had a lot of difficulty to get value out of them but now after understanding the unit better with your vid i hope i have fun with them ty
@@herlajis i've been trying to do 1 then v but it doesn't do 1 and skip that to v how do i fix that cuz that got me kill not once but a lot of time it didn't work
@@notoho2231 sometimes it happens to me as well, I assume its because we do it to fast and servers cant follow up, best thing u can do it go to unit training and try it out there a few times - press 1 and press v when you see pikes start to land, then gradualy increase the speed in between commands until you get used to the motion visualy and mechanically
i wish you played more games(and uploaded it to youtube) or did tests for example how units perform against phalanx and etc. for example man at arms, spear infantry, other pikes. or just simple gameplay records to see how units perform in real game
@@atomisten well I did show real gameplay examples nearby the explanations, and put more gameplay at the end, but if thats not enough then i can tell you that currently if you build like me and learn to control the unit like that then 1 vs 1 you will only lose to paladins
@@herlajis i mean, the guide was perfect. but you seem very knowledgeable so i would watch more gameplay or any content from you. you have so few videos compared to how good quality they are that it's a sin, i wanna bingewatch 10+ unit guides :D hopefully others would be interested too if there were many other unit guides. (although i guess it's hard since you have to farm units to max. dont creators provide content creators accounts with full units?)
@atomisten i am not an official content creator, because I am not doing this to get free stuff, and I dont want this to become a job since I already have 1 irl and its super time consuming so I normaly ever do unit control guides when some difficult and complex unit comes up for my house members, and then release it for everyone to see as well, everything else thats not here is not really worth my time because its to simple 😄 but I am happy to answer some questions in discord or in comments
@@Griefex haha! Nice, i was taking my time because of a huge lack of time since i work a lot irl. That being said tho i dont make lots of guides and thats because if its not complicated enough - I won't do it, so I hope it helps :))))
Great guide pal! Hello from SPQR! I am using same setup except leadership doc instead of anticav one. Very well explained and displayed this unit control. The only thing to add, do you know about 1v1v spam trick phalanx can do? You pretty much doing it on play clips but you haven't said or explained about it.
Hello from BlackRose ! Thank you for the nice comment, yes I know about 1v1v but since the unit is already heavy on micro and the video is already 17 min long I decided to not make a separate part about it and just intergrate it normaly in the control, perhaps in the future if I make 2nd part that includes "Advanced control" with charge doctrine in the rotation I will talk about 1v1v seperately
@@herlajis I've been told by one of the lion players that totems are shared to all friendly phalanx... and they use it with 5-6 phalanx at same place with top vet, charge, max dmg for burst dmg enemy blob... that kind of tactics. I would only satisfy such play if totem are really shared between all friendly units.
Very good guide. I ususally already know 75% of the stuff you explain. But there always some deatils I miss (like the instant brace or the zweihanders max hp buff) I have two mentions: 1. You did not really mention the pike charge doc even so you have it equipable for them enad even used it in a clip. I personally love it, but whats your take? 2. maybe I oversaw it, but I missed a warning about the risks of Brace v (Brace rotation) as it is vulnerable to Hero kiting + Cav charge, which is fatal in TW. Small insights/tests on my side: Phalanx with alrounder doctrines are vulnerable to frontal monastic charges as it actually break trough and disrupted the Phalanx (lost 16 models in my test). Mastered Paladins and Condottieres are very dangerous for Phalanx
@@Maxikingallright93 thanks ;) 1. Yea i tried it out but I no longer use it, its nice but i prefer the build with all stats +80 and 5% dmgr. If i would add charge doctrine then unit control would became even more complicated and there is already a lot for ppl to lean on a basic level + the video is ready 17 min long... 2. Yes that is a problem but for me its not really an issue because i spam advance forward and back so mine dont really turn that much, and just the general way i play with them doesent made this issue an issue but you are right Small things: yea pladins are an extream threath now, condos should be a big issue since their block is kinda low so you just kite a bit until its broken and gg, monastics... didnt care, noone plays them so its not a risk 😋
@@KingCho97 1 min cd.. i really dont like that, i prefer flat value all the time, plus the effects of those doctrines are not instant.. its just not good enough
@@herlajis i would Like to know which Vet line is better , doctrines , which units they are good against which units outsustain and kill them After 1 attack Yea basic things xD
@@WozzyX no but as i said in the video, there is a passive trait that aply daze during brace, long story short its the same thing so you save a doctrine spot for something else 😉
@@namtran2235 well... currently ur not supposed to use the unit at all, because its terrible, we are having a buff to them i believe today or next week, and then it will be easier to know when - if the unit will become viable
@@namtran2235 have fun ! it will take time to properly analyze them, if it will seem that they will become meta I will write u back in here, but for now it look like there ae better choices :(
@@namtran2235 right, So.. there is a stacking mechanic from unit traits, and using 2nd ability will give 4 stacks, you can get max 10, eah stack give u dmg reduction, dmg increase.. so technically u would always want to use it before 3rd ability and after 1st ability.. so you go 1 - 2 - 3, because u need dmgr stacks before your 3, but because its still a meh unit u need to be careful what you attack, because wuwei will just wipe u
What do you think about the Epic Polearm II Doctrine, which stuns enemies while bracing? Or would you consider that also a wasted Doctrine slot? Thanks in advance!
@@MrNura91 hiii, so you totaly dont need it because the brace already stuns, well its not a stun its a daze, long story short - its the same thing, thats why we dont need it
@@herlajis Ah i see, thanks for the clarification. Just playing for a couple months now and alot of this small stuff is either really bad or not at all explained in the game itself.. That's why i am watching those guides :P thanks again for the fast answer!
NOTE: As you saw, I do not recommend LDS doctrine because their doctrine spots are to valuable! as well as you do not need Bracing stuns, because they have the same thing as a baseline.
Good to know
Thanks from France for the vidéo bro
Welcome 👍
Really good guide! I went from getting 20 kills and losing my unit almost instandly to them being my MVP most of the time with 60+ kills! Hopefully you keep making more unit guides!
@@DTQXZ glad it help, there are more guides in my channel if you need, and about the future - when there is something complicated I will make another one :)))
Thanks Herlajis. So well explained! aka Krygin
np bud, hope it helps, really !
This is P E R F E C T ! thanks!
@@rlifeh 🤗
Thank you, thats what i needed. You got yourself a new subscriber. Cheers mate.
@@mrmistrz9314 always a pleasure bud🙏
Great video🎉
I hope we will have more
Cheers from Hungary 😊
great guide btw.
@@atomisten thank you 🙏
C’est merveilleux du grand génie
@@clementdenel41 C'est moi !
Very nice
thx for the guide i had a lot of difficulty to get value out of them but now after understanding the unit better with your vid i hope i have fun with them ty
@@notoho2231 enjoy 😉
@@herlajis i've been trying to do 1 then v but it doesn't do 1 and skip that to v
how do i fix that cuz that got me kill not once but a lot of time it didn't work
@@notoho2231 sometimes it happens to me as well, I assume its because we do it to fast and servers cant follow up, best thing u can do it go to unit training and try it out there a few times - press 1 and press v when you see pikes start to land, then gradualy increase the speed in between commands until you get used to the motion visualy and mechanically
@@herlajis oh yeah i didn't think of that ty
may be the best unit in the right hands in the whole game history
@@BobInGreek totaly !
Right hands. Most players keep them afk
Brilliant guide as always :) Just missed using charge doctrine on them.
@@ananasaz2696 yea, the guide was getting really long already, i stayed with showing solid basics instead ^^
i wish you played more games(and uploaded it to youtube) or did tests for example how units perform against phalanx and etc. for example man at arms, spear infantry, other pikes. or just simple gameplay records to see how units perform in real game
@@atomisten well I did show real gameplay examples nearby the explanations, and put more gameplay at the end, but if thats not enough then i can tell you that currently if you build like me and learn to control the unit like that then 1 vs 1 you will only lose to paladins
@@herlajis i mean, the guide was perfect. but you seem very knowledgeable so i would watch more gameplay or any content from you. you have so few videos compared to how good quality they are that it's a sin, i wanna bingewatch 10+ unit guides :D hopefully others would be interested too if there were many other unit guides. (although i guess it's hard since you have to farm units to max. dont creators provide content creators accounts with full units?)
@atomisten i am not an official content creator, because I am not doing this to get free stuff, and I dont want this to become a job since I already have 1 irl and its super time consuming so I normaly ever do unit control guides when some difficult and complex unit comes up for my house members, and then release it for everyone to see as well, everything else thats not here is not really worth my time because its to simple 😄 but I am happy to answer some questions in discord or in comments
Very nice mate
You keep giving quality
❤
@@hendrikvantveen8888 thanks
Thank you this is great.
@@victorv1151 my pleasure, I hope it helped
Great guide!!! Thanks a lot! I hope to see more!!! 🎉😊
Amazing video herl, love it thanks so much.
@@BlackRose-CB always a pleasure :)
good job bro 🔥
@@AdenoSin-CB thank you 😊
Nice, thanks😮
Really fun unit so good for pushing holding and teamfighting qas just wondering when youll upload a phalanx video then boom its here
@@Griefex haha! Nice, i was taking my time because of a huge lack of time since i work a lot irl.
That being said tho i dont make lots of guides and thats because if its not complicated enough - I won't do it, so I hope it helps :))))
@herlajis hahah that makes sense i wouldnt watch guides if they were too simple
such a good vid
@@Max-qi7uw thank you sir
Merci 🎉
Great guide pal! Hello from SPQR! I am using same setup except leadership doc instead of anticav one. Very well explained and displayed this unit control. The only thing to add, do you know about 1v1v spam trick phalanx can do? You pretty much doing it on play clips but you haven't said or explained about it.
Hello from BlackRose ! Thank you for the nice comment, yes I know about 1v1v but since the unit is already heavy on micro and the video is already 17 min long I decided to not make a separate part about it and just intergrate it normaly in the control, perhaps in the future if I make 2nd part that includes "Advanced control" with charge doctrine in the rotation I will talk about 1v1v seperately
@@herlajis BTW, do you know if their totem works for any other friendly phalanx as well? If so, have you tested yourself? Thanks.
@KOPCAP-lc8qb sorry I actualy dont know that
@@herlajis I've been told by one of the lion players that totems are shared to all friendly phalanx... and they use it with 5-6 phalanx at same place with top vet, charge, max dmg for burst dmg enemy blob... that kind of tactics. I would only satisfy such play if totem are really shared between all friendly units.
@KOPCAP-lc8qb thanks, good to know !
i don't know what i would do if this guide didn't exist 😩
dont make my blush
Very good guide.
I ususally already know 75% of the stuff you explain. But there always some deatils I miss (like the instant brace or the zweihanders max hp buff)
I have two mentions:
1. You did not really mention the pike charge doc even so you have it equipable for them enad even used it in a clip. I personally love it, but whats your take?
2. maybe I oversaw it, but I missed a warning about the risks of Brace v (Brace rotation) as it is vulnerable to Hero kiting + Cav charge, which is fatal in TW.
Small insights/tests on my side:
Phalanx with alrounder doctrines are vulnerable to frontal monastic charges as it actually break trough and disrupted the Phalanx (lost 16 models in my test).
Mastered Paladins and Condottieres are very dangerous for Phalanx
@@Maxikingallright93 thanks ;)
1. Yea i tried it out but I no longer use it, its nice but i prefer the build with all stats +80 and 5% dmgr. If i would add charge doctrine then unit control would became even more complicated and there is already a lot for ppl to lean on a basic level + the video is ready 17 min long...
2. Yes that is a problem but for me its not really an issue because i spam advance forward and back so mine dont really turn that much, and just the general way i play with them doesent made this issue an issue but you are right
Small things: yea pladins are an extream threath now, condos should be a big issue since their block is kinda low so you just kite a bit until its broken and gg, monastics... didnt care, noone plays them so its not a risk 😋
NEW HERLAJIS VIDEO?! What did we do to deserve this?!?!
@@lukassirvydis9008 i had a dream ! That one day, god descended to earth 🌎 🙏 and tasked me to guide the little lambs...
very nice viedeo
damn thy are overpowerd unit.
@@robthebankz1 yea xD they are actualy brokenly good imo, but ppl cant play it properly so it looks bad on statistics
trop bien trop balaise
how about their blue doctrine and the second epic doctrine (Divine Gaze) ?
@@KingCho97 1 min cd.. i really dont like that, i prefer flat value all the time, plus the effects of those doctrines are not instant.. its just not good enough
very high skill cap for this unit. i couldnt be consistent with it
@@BobInGreek yea thats why i made this guide, really hope it helps ppl
What is the best way to get epic leadership doctrine ?
@@RogerDaSul cavalry doctrine pool because it has the least amount of different doctrines, so the probabiloty is higher, or special events
Can you make a Guide for Queens knights
the unit is too simple for me to make a full unit control guide on them but if you have a question I could answer it for you
@@herlajis i would Like to know which Vet line is better , doctrines , which units they are good against which units outsustain and kill them After 1 attack Yea basic things xD
@@haxmxnycb can u add me on discord ? it will be more simple, ill send u some screenshots
@@herlajisok whats ur dc?
@@haxmxnycb "Herlajis" 😆
Why wouldnt you suggest the Bracing Weapons stun enemy Doctrine ? is it bad for Polearms?
@@WozzyX no but as i said in the video, there is a passive trait that aply daze during brace, long story short its the same thing so you save a doctrine spot for something else 😉
Hi can you make unit control clip for Berserker? If not, I have one quick question: should you ever use their skill 2 since it costs rage?
@@namtran2235 well... currently ur not supposed to use the unit at all, because its terrible, we are having a buff to them i believe today or next week, and then it will be easier to know when - if the unit will become viable
@@herlajis ok thanks! On my server they just got buff yesterday. That's why im interested in learning how to play them properly 😄
@@namtran2235 have fun ! it will take time to properly analyze them, if it will seem that they will become meta I will write u back in here, but for now it look like there ae better choices :(
@@herlajis well can confirm not meta but playable now so might wana give them tips for him
@@namtran2235 right, So.. there is a stacking mechanic from unit traits, and using 2nd ability will give 4 stacks, you can get max 10, eah stack give u dmg reduction, dmg increase.. so technically u would always want to use it before 3rd ability and after 1st ability.. so you go 1 - 2 - 3, because u need dmgr stacks before your 3, but because its still a meh unit u need to be careful what you attack, because wuwei will just wipe u
What do you think about the Epic Polearm II Doctrine, which stuns enemies while bracing? Or would you consider that also a wasted Doctrine slot? Thanks in advance!
@@MrNura91 hiii, so you totaly dont need it because the brace already stuns, well its not a stun its a daze, long story short - its the same thing, thats why we dont need it
@@herlajis Ah i see, thanks for the clarification. Just playing for a couple months now and alot of this small stuff is either really bad or not at all explained in the game itself.. That's why i am watching those guides :P
thanks again for the fast answer!
@@MrNura91 glad i could help ;))
And the players love to keep this unit afk.
@@Bolaway so true !