@@nhagan001 I think I will enjoy the one improving turrets while doubling gas cost of units. I always banked gas while going for turrets / tanks anyway
"basically shooting twice as fast" no. Malignant Creep gives 30% faster attack speed, so when Maligant Creep's effect is doubled you're getting 23% faster attack speed than previously. Also note that units don't move any faster (that's not an effect of Malignant Creep), although they do get extra regeneration which is kind of noticeable. In my opinion this is too weak considering the loss of omega worms. Omega worms give so much tankiness, free creep on top of the enemy (creep tumors have trouble with this even with the doubled range, as long as enemy isn't zerg of course), useful scouting/map-presence, obviously the teleports all around the map, and lastly ultra-convenient detection that rarely ever dies and acts like a permanent scanner sweep that costs no energy! What's also a problem with Malevolent Matriarch is not only _spreading_ the creep in the first place (which requires relatively high skill to do quickly enough), but _maintaining it_ because the enemy is always sending units with detectors down the line, killing the tumors. The most minimum thing that they'd need to do to fix this prestige is to make creep tumors invincible, however I think increasing movement speed should also be done. Even then I'm not sure if it would be good enough, because Kerrgan's best unit is the mutalisk (as long as there's 6 units within it's large attack radius, the mutalisk will deal around 40 DPS, and they're very fast, and most importantly don't block eachother); a unit that not only doesn't need the regen of the creep, but one which cannot benefit from the creep.
Let's hope that we get xp boost when doing prestige 2nd and 3 time because you can only unlock prestige in the order that is shown, so in order to unlock desolate queen you need to do prestige 3 times which will be painfully grindy in the normal version of the game if it comes out like this. Or let us select which prestige we want edit: RIP in 5.0 we can't choose which way we spend the prestige point so we can only unlock in order. Endless tedious grinding for that third prestige while the other first 2 are useless in some commanders
It looks like total amount of XP needed to lvl has been nerfed, warchest bonus helps and the mutation this week is quite easy, which gives like 3-4 lvls instant. I lvled Zagara 3x to max already, everytime it feels like im learning the commander in a new way, so i actually really like it.
One in case you need to run away normal kerrigan is better since She Has leap, Also u Can get somewhere faster but overall p3 kerrigan is better her W is much better in big fights and her Q u Can spam from Safe spot
I appreciate you doing all these prestige previews. I haven’t had any time to test anything on the PTR, so these are like gold. Thanks for the content!
no. Just a defensive buff on creep is Megaramped up. Thankfully you can use hostile creep which has the same effects. Doubled Regen, attack speed buffs, move speed buffs.... I actually wonder what Kerrigans banelings look like: Stetmans?
Glenn MM doesn't double the movement boost. Malignant creep only gives a +30% IAS and a +1 health per second regen. Overall MM gives +1 regen and 1.23x dps for ground units on the creep, which is quite mediocre. You also seemed to totally miss the point of what justjoyas was saying: the fact that creep tumors have doubled range and creep propagation speed. This means that you can spread creep like a pro without being one, hence his comment. Problem is the enemy keeps killing the tumors. Tumors should really gain invulnerability for the prestige as well (like how Stetman gets that for stetellites in a prestige; granted, they apparently though that 150% range and invulnerability was enough, which really seems very weak especially with the loss of super Gary)
Kerrigan loses her 2 mobility skills, she has no way of maneuvering around your fat army if you decide to go an Ultra based ground army and she can't quickly disengage or scale unpassable terrain anymore. With how CTG likes to play Kerrigan she has no problem not getting caught on Hydras and Mutas and he's usually got pretty good map vision to almost always have a spot to put down his Nydus worm.
Kind of curious after seeing the 2nd prestige in action, if it also is a really strong solo build. The obvious choice for it would be just cc'ing over an over again so your army takes the free real estate. But if you pump points into her third mastery to mitigate the lesser shielding due to the prestige draw back, could it also be a crazy good solo build? Great videos so far show casing the prestige!
Goes To Show Blizzards SC2 Team Is Focused On Player Feedback.....By Enabling Queens' Tumor Spawn 'Off Creep'. Such A Simple Fix Really Allows Kerrigan To Flourish With Her Ruthless Temperament....... Was Having Quite The Time Trying To Match Other Commanders Score And Without A Practiced Technique, Can Be The Frustration To Whinge About, Especially When In The Heat Of A Match Lag Crashes The Show Or Even Worse Freezes Up Thanks To Overloaded O/S, Taskbar, Interference(if Wireless) Or Even The Occasional Trojan....... When Starcraft Is Developed On A Platform Of Its Own, That Would Be Something Of Great Interest To Gaming Communities Around The World.....
You might wanna try Overlord Queen Drop Puke to spread creep tumors. I know this works especially well on this map where you can use Zagara to set up Bile Launchers / Crawlers quickly at the transports to defend against the infested.
Malignant: Defense Creep Crawling mastery. Folly: Bonus extra epic mega AOE stun/light damage. Great control for eating infested maps. Desolate: BANG BANG So no mutators to change how the units play or feel to deal with mutations like Black Death. Well that leaves her a hero solo type of game.
Not sure what you mean, but the prestige are kind of a disappointment, yes. Desolate Queen is now way too weak, and only one of the two between Desolate Queen and Folly of Man were really necessary (a kerrigan-focused prestige).
With P1, try staying on 1 hatchery and going pool > queen > double gas. Inject when queen is done, build second queen before you go lair. Take only a second hatch at your expo. Build queens non-stop and keep hatches injected with freshly spawned queens. You need the gas for fast upgrades anyhow, and queens will spread your creep, tank and transfuse each other and Kerri. You don't need more than 2 hatches for larva ever.
I'm the opposite. I don't understand how you can like Desolate Queen skills. Crushing Grip deals damage so slowly making it impossible to kill things quickly, and what's worse is that it has a much smaller area of effect as well, killing less units too. Sure it stuns, but the low area of effect is not worth it at all. That's not even the end of the problems. Leaping strike is better than kinetic blast in many/most cases because it allows Kerrigan to get into attack range without wasting time, and also allows Kerrigan to move much faster when she needs to get somewhere. To make the prestige useful they'd need to increase her attack range, and increase Crushing Grip AoE significantly. Granted, I am talking about Desolate Queen _currently,_ not how it was in the PTR. In the PTR it seems like Crushing Grip does have a larger AoE, and also deals damage faster. I don't know why that they thought it was a problem.
@@CtG-Games My bad man I never saw you and thought you were only using the Overlords to poop it out, heh. Great vids as usual dude. Thanks for the reply!
@@CtG-Games The thing is, I didn't get passive rage and tried to get lightning and stun up to level 10 ... Now everything is working . But Kerrigan's latest prestige was a complete disappointment .
Your ally, vorazun, should really stop putting all those cloak pylons together, it completely defeats the purpose of those pylons. If he’s gonna do that, might as well as just get regular pylons......
Shadow Archon That doesn’t make sense at all. If what you said is true, then why did he make so many DTs and killing with ctg? And the prestige wasn’t defence based, so Dark Pylon would not have hindered Ctg from show casing the power. If Vorazun was using some overpowering offensive units, then what you said would make sense. Since vorazun might have killed everything before Kerrigan could cast anything. But it’s clear Vorazun was seriously playing the game. He massed DT, placed one single Dark Pylon at expansion, casted black hole. He wasn’t holding back by placing all dark pylons together. He placed them together cause that’s how me usually plays. And I am just suggesting, he would get more out of the pylon if he spreads them out. Just like all professional Protoss spread out the pylon. I think it’s okay to be bad at the game, but it’s not okay to find excuses. We are all newbie once. As long as we accept suggestions, we will improve and make games more enjoyable.
I'm pretty sure he was just messing around with the fact that prestige 1 Vorazun can spam Dark Pylons to the point that can be their only supply structure, but if you think they literally don't understand what they're doing and are being bad at the game rather than just messing around, fine.
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Game: Noooooo! You cannot just kill banshees with kinetic blast!
CtG: ha ha, kinetic blast go boom boom.
Gotta admit, didn't expect to see uninfested kerrigan on coop, thanks for the content man! looking forward for artanis, alarak, stukov and fenix
I’m all about swann’s day!
@@nhagan001 you can find all commanders prestige on yt and let me tell you swanns are not fun :(
@@vladimirandric8506 Ah fuck, really?
You have a link I can use for Swann playthroughs by chance?
I like user recommends over random searches.
@@nhagan001 I think I will enjoy the one improving turrets while doubling gas cost of units. I always banked gas while going for turrets / tanks anyway
@@nhagan001 sry for late reply, guess now it doesnt matter they are all shit xD :D
At this point they could easly add a prestige for kerrigan where you can play as her slightly less powerful xe;'naga form, with mass recall and all :p
These missions happens after the starting of LotV and ending before its last mission so that Kerigan isnt Xelnaga, yet.
46:53 When you feel crazy, remember: That marine really thought he had a chance XD
Ah, that guy must be coming for his destroyed car since HotS and Amon promised him revenge.
@@Temmoie Exactly, he never forgave those Ultralisks XD
@@Temmoie he has so much hate inside of him,that he came back from the grave
"basically shooting twice as fast" no. Malignant Creep gives 30% faster attack speed, so when Maligant Creep's effect is doubled you're getting 23% faster attack speed than previously. Also note that units don't move any faster (that's not an effect of Malignant Creep), although they do get extra regeneration which is kind of noticeable.
In my opinion this is too weak considering the loss of omega worms. Omega worms give so much tankiness, free creep on top of the enemy (creep tumors have trouble with this even with the doubled range, as long as enemy isn't zerg of course), useful scouting/map-presence, obviously the teleports all around the map, and lastly ultra-convenient detection that rarely ever dies and acts like a permanent scanner sweep that costs no energy! What's also a problem with Malevolent Matriarch is not only _spreading_ the creep in the first place (which requires relatively high skill to do quickly enough), but _maintaining it_ because the enemy is always sending units with detectors down the line, killing the tumors. The most minimum thing that they'd need to do to fix this prestige is to make creep tumors invincible, however I think increasing movement speed should also be done.
Even then I'm not sure if it would be good enough, because Kerrgan's best unit is the mutalisk (as long as there's 6 units within it's large attack radius, the mutalisk will deal around 40 DPS, and they're very fast, and most importantly don't block eachother); a unit that not only doesn't need the regen of the creep, but one which cannot benefit from the creep.
Let's hope that we get xp boost when doing prestige 2nd and 3 time because you can only unlock prestige in the order that is shown, so in order to unlock desolate queen you need to do prestige 3 times which will be painfully grindy in the normal version of the game if it comes out like this. Or let us select which prestige we want
edit:
RIP in 5.0 we can't choose which way we spend the prestige point so we can only unlock in order. Endless tedious grinding for that third prestige while the other first 2 are useless in some commanders
It looks like total amount of XP needed to lvl has been nerfed, warchest bonus helps and the mutation this week is quite easy, which gives like 3-4 lvls instant. I lvled Zagara 3x to max already, everytime it feels like im learning the commander in a new way, so i actually really like it.
Love these coop contents man!
Honestly, does Desolate Queen even have a disadvantage? I always preferred Kinetic Blast and Crushing Grip over Leap and Shift.
One in case you need to run away normal kerrigan is better since She Has leap, Also u Can get somewhere faster but overall p3 kerrigan is better her W is much better in big fights and her Q u Can spam from Safe spot
Even in campaign I always prefered kinetic blast and grip, only weakness was it had cooldown but coop doesn't have it hehe
I appreciate you doing all these prestige previews. I haven’t had any time to test anything on the PTR, so these are like gold. Thanks for the content!
Yep, Desolate Queen is da wae.
The creep one just seems to be the pick for defensive missions, as the attack speed is way too good to pass up.
Honestly they could just make the disadvantage "nydus worms and greater worms don't spread creep"
For me, the creep one’s gonna be the pick for everything, I love my creep
@@snowdrop9810 dude thats creepy
ah so malevolant matriarch is basically watching how the pros spread creep tumors
no. Just a defensive buff on creep is Megaramped up.
Thankfully you can use hostile creep which has the same effects.
Doubled Regen, attack speed buffs, move speed buffs....
I actually wonder what Kerrigans banelings look like: Stetmans?
Glenn MM doesn't double the movement boost. Malignant creep only gives a +30% IAS and a +1 health per second regen. Overall MM gives +1 regen and 1.23x dps for ground units on the creep, which is quite mediocre.
You also seemed to totally miss the point of what justjoyas was saying: the fact that creep tumors have doubled range and creep propagation speed. This means that you can spread creep like a pro without being one, hence his comment.
Problem is the enemy keeps killing the tumors. Tumors should really gain invulnerability for the prestige as well (like how Stetman gets that for stetellites in a prestige; granted, they apparently though that 150% range and invulnerability was enough, which really seems very weak especially with the loss of super Gary)
So happy that Uninfested Kerrigan is usable. :'3c
Really?
Ctg, at ur level of play I cannot believe u don't have an overseer following kerigan....
That last talent doesn't seem to have a downside at all.
@@QuestionableObject Better single target wipe and better AoE wipe.
Kerrigan loses her 2 mobility skills, she has no way of maneuvering around your fat army if you decide to go an Ultra based ground army and she can't quickly disengage or scale unpassable terrain anymore. With how CTG likes to play Kerrigan she has no problem not getting caught on Hydras and Mutas and he's usually got pretty good map vision to almost always have a spot to put down his Nydus worm.
She is gonna be on the backline all the time anyway
Kind of curious after seeing the 2nd prestige in action, if it also is a really strong solo build. The obvious choice for it would be just cc'ing over an over again so your army takes the free real estate. But if you pump points into her third mastery to mitigate the lesser shielding due to the prestige draw back, could it also be a crazy good solo build? Great videos so far show casing the prestige!
I’m so happy my prediction on desolate queen Kerri was spot on. Looks so dope. I don’t even play Kerri but I can’t wait
Too bad she's complete trash now though.
Goes To Show Blizzards SC2 Team Is Focused On Player Feedback.....By Enabling Queens' Tumor Spawn 'Off Creep'. Such A Simple Fix Really Allows Kerrigan To Flourish With Her Ruthless Temperament.......
Was Having Quite The Time Trying To Match Other Commanders Score And Without A Practiced Technique, Can Be The Frustration To Whinge About, Especially When In The Heat Of A Match Lag Crashes The Show Or Even Worse Freezes Up Thanks To Overloaded O/S, Taskbar, Interference(if Wireless) Or Even The Occasional Trojan.......
When Starcraft Is Developed On A Platform Of Its Own, That Would Be Something Of Great Interest To Gaming Communities Around The World.....
@@Taze00 Thats Because The Truth Hurts.
Gdi, they could have had creep tumors untargetable like abathurs. y not?
You might wanna try Overlord Queen Drop Puke to spread creep tumors. I know this works especially well on this map where you can use Zagara to set up Bile Launchers / Crawlers quickly at the transports to defend against the infested.
Desolate queen is amazing! Thanks for the video :D
Hmmmm malignant kerrigan with stetsliteman
how does he get so much holiday exp i get around 33k
it's test realm xp, they give you tons just so you can max everything, it's not like that on live
Bruh how does he get so much exp he plays on brutal or more then brutal?? Can someone explain?
how do you auto gl hf :D ??? i mean u don't write that :D right o.O
P2 would benefit greatly from attack speed mastery points for Kerringan
3rd one is the go to for sure! who doesn't agree is way beyond wrong!
I love ur content but wow, attach detector to her and banshee aren't an issue
Malignant: Defense Creep Crawling mastery.
Folly: Bonus extra epic mega AOE stun/light damage. Great control for eating infested maps.
Desolate: BANG BANG
So no mutators to change how the units play or feel to deal with mutations like Black Death.
Well that leaves her a hero solo type of game.
Not sure what you mean, but the prestige are kind of a disappointment, yes. Desolate Queen is now way too weak, and only one of the two between Desolate Queen and Folly of Man were really necessary (a kerrigan-focused prestige).
With P1, try staying on 1 hatchery and going pool > queen > double gas. Inject when queen is done, build second queen before you go lair. Take only a second hatch at your expo. Build queens non-stop and keep hatches injected with freshly spawned queens. You need the gas for fast upgrades anyhow, and queens will spread your creep, tank and transfuse each other and Kerri. You don't need more than 2 hatches for larva ever.
How to get them to 15??? It just doesn’t let me and the “purchase” is not available
Try restart the game and relog.
Andy Wang ok thx
I just reached lvl 15. So before every game you can choose any prestige you want?
You tried battle cruisers in void thrashing with zero upgrade. If would work better if you have 3-3 instead of 0-0.
Not sure does it works? Using the first prestige with mass queens...
how do i make everything be different coulour
Is there a reason why you dont use queen injects and creep tumor spread more often other than its too apm intensive?
Only Zagara's queens get Larva inject.
BlueJay huh, idk why i used it till i got level 15
Just a simple nickname i can check later but I swear the ability button isn't even there
BlueJay idk man, I barely played like 25 ish games with injects instead of 3 hatches. It was different than the versus one though
@@snowdrop9810 Holy moly, you're right it does have Inject! I'm actually happy to be wrong, wonder how the hell I'll keep up with gas costs tho.
Does P1 take advantage of enemy zerg?
How can i change purple color to different?
Will you upload an updated video reviewing all the talents?
I hate how Kerrign looks with Desolate Queen, otherwise I like it.
I'm the opposite. I don't understand how you can like Desolate Queen skills. Crushing Grip deals damage so slowly making it impossible to kill things quickly, and what's worse is that it has a much smaller area of effect as well, killing less units too. Sure it stuns, but the low area of effect is not worth it at all. That's not even the end of the problems. Leaping strike is better than kinetic blast in many/most cases because it allows Kerrigan to get into attack range without wasting time, and also allows Kerrigan to move much faster when she needs to get somewhere.
To make the prestige useful they'd need to increase her attack range, and increase Crushing Grip AoE significantly.
Granted, I am talking about Desolate Queen _currently,_ not how it was in the PTR. In the PTR it seems like Crushing Grip does have a larger AoE, and also deals damage faster. I don't know why that they thought it was a problem.
kinetic blast is amazing
First game, can't you build creep tumors with queens? Or does Kerrigans' queens not have that ability?
I did use the Queens' creep tumors.
@@CtG-Games My bad man I never saw you and thought you were only using the Overlords to poop it out, heh. Great vids as usual dude. Thanks for the reply!
Here it is folks, the counter to explosive threats unit comp. Zap Kerrigan
Idk if im dumb, but how is he getting over 1 mil xp?
test realm version gives 20x the XP just so everyone can be maxed quickly
Kerrigan's second prestige doesn't work, there's no mass lightning and no stun !
Did you charge it up first by letting Kerrigan attack other units before using Psionic Shift?
@@CtG-Games The thing is, I didn't get passive rage and tried to get lightning and stun up to level 10 ... Now everything is working . But Kerrigan's latest prestige was a complete disappointment .
Looking forward to play this!!
48:44 You earned 1,210,000 XP on Holiday Bonus. How it's possible?
Play on Christmas bro 😂
@@UpcominLegend1
I played on Christmass but never got so much experience
@@Ipress1ve just seen some of the comments looks like it was some ptr event
How did you get the 1 million xp holiday bonus?
It only available in PTR. And PTR become unavailable :(
2 prestige dont work i dont know why
prestige 2 need kerrigan to be at least lvl 10 to work, you never read commander upgrades?
bruh
Your ally, vorazun, should really stop putting all those cloak pylons together, it completely defeats the purpose of those pylons. If he’s gonna do that, might as well as just get regular pylons......
He’s only doing that because he’s letting CTG for the most part solo to show off the prestige. He’s fiddling around on purpose.
Shadow Archon That doesn’t make sense at all. If what you said is true, then why did he make so many DTs and killing with ctg? And the prestige wasn’t defence based, so Dark Pylon would not have hindered Ctg from show casing the power. If Vorazun was using some overpowering offensive units, then what you said would make sense. Since vorazun might have killed everything before Kerrigan could cast anything. But it’s clear Vorazun was seriously playing the game. He massed DT, placed one single Dark Pylon at expansion, casted black hole. He wasn’t holding back by placing all dark pylons together. He placed them together cause that’s how me usually plays. And I am just suggesting, he would get more out of the pylon if he spreads them out. Just like all professional Protoss spread out the pylon.
I think it’s okay to be bad at the game, but it’s not okay to find excuses. We are all newbie once. As long as we accept suggestions, we will improve and make games more enjoyable.
I'm pretty sure he was just messing around with the fact that prestige 1 Vorazun can spam Dark Pylons to the point that can be their only supply structure, but if you think they literally don't understand what they're doing and are being bad at the game rather than just messing around, fine.
Thanks for making these videos CTG!
Glad you like them!