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Entry Level F.P. Journe & the Big Unboxing
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2018
- F.P. Journe is among a handful of contemporary grand master watchmakers, yet his watches are among the most affordable of all of the very best offerings by the best of the best.
Owning an FP Journe watch is my final grail
It's a good grail to have, I think, because while expensive, it's not over the moon. Cheers Bill
Love the clock! Some of my dealers gave me various advertisement clocks for Audemars, Blancpain, etc. Those things have been going for crazy prices at recent auctions.
Great video, as always.
Hey Rasher, now I'm looking for a big band that fits it! It's 41cm ... I meant to say 41mm. Cheers, Bill
The Chronoetre Bleu is so popular, FP Journe actually requires you to fill out an application! Thanks for another informative and well presented video.
Thanks SouthNC63! The popularity of the Bleu is what makes the gold & platinum Chronomètre Souverains such good deals! Kindest regards, Bill
I really enjoy your channel. You're clearly highly knowlegeable but 'wear your expertise lightly'! Most refreshing and informative!
Thanks man! I have good reason to "wear it lightly" because there's so much more to learn. Kindest regards, Bill
I am a new subscriber and catching up on previous episodes. Such a gentle approach.
Marvellous.
Welcome Henry! We may be gentle, but we try to be [reasonably] honest and thorough in researching a watch or watch company. Also, I try and find good buys for overlooked gems! Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill, thanks for sharing, the Boutique special edition watches were made every time they opened a new boutique, i.e. the Byblos was made for the opening of the Beirut Boutique. Byblos being an very ancien city where the alphabet was spread to the Mediterranean. Later on the Greeks took it and modified it and after that the Roman who gave us our alphabet.
The Chrono Bleu is the cheapest of the Souverain collection thus its popularity, the waiting list is about 18 months, which explains why it is dearer than the Chrono. Souverain on the used market.
The experience of buying a watch from Journe Boutique is like no other.
I couldn’t agree more, owning a high end watch is not necessary, but the satisfaction on wearing a Journe on your wrist is a complete different feeling. Rolex is many steps lower in my opinion.
Great vid as always. Thanks again Bill.
Hi DG B, it may sound snobbish, but it isn't really. At some level, every watch collector recognizes the level of quality beyond the norm and even high horology. Those who appreciate art and visit an art museum with paintings by the masters understand as well. It's hard to explain except through experience. Worthwhile on so many levels. Cheers, Bill
Another interesting episode Bill, love the wall clock, if i had the resources, i would love a F P Journe... Beautiful Watches. Thanks Bill for sharing....
Hey Bill, thanks man, but as you know, I'm drifting to working with Unitas 6497/8 and putting together my own watch. Now that's fun and affordable! Cheers, Bill
Hi Bill, as i told you i built a Seagull eta 6498 for my Sons birthday came out really well although i had a major problem with the dial, the dial was 38mm, inside the case it was 35mm i had to take off 1.5 mm from around the dial using the rough side of a dry oil stone it took about 4 hour's over 2 days the outcome was good. How can i send you some photos, and a short video....Regards Bill
Shoot 'em to me via email at williebegoode@att.net . Best to send separate emails for photos and separate for video. Thanks! Kindest regards, Bill
'Whatever the price bracket' there will be someone out there that'll purchase the watch and say that it's worth every cent. If not me, 'perhaps you' but, someone. "just wish it was me" :) As always, thank you for your tireless work Bill in producing these great videos!
Kenneth, just when you're not expecting it, the perfect watch will come to you. It may not be crazy expensive but it will be one that you enjoy, and that's most important! Kindest regards, Bill
Yah, my new F. P. Journe is a bit large but I think with a black horween strap it will wear smaller. (Another high-value video, Bill. Thank you!)
Finding a band for it has been a bear! Thanks man! Cheers, Bill
Just discovered your channel. Loved the video and I never thought about supporting someone that is CURRENTLY making timepieces, instead of a Breguet or Patek or whatever. I love your watch (PLATINUM!), but unfortunately I have already retired and a new watch isn't in the budget. My meager collection consists of a TAG/Heuer Carrera and an Oris Sporty Elegance (I think), both purchased back in the 1990's. I am going to investigate that quartz watch you mentioned by F.P. Journe.
Indeed I too am retired and my watch buying has changed drastically ... but it's actually more fun because I have to really think about what it is in a watch that's valuable. As for the TAG Heuer, I do like the Gulf Monaco but only that particular Monaco. Check out the video on building a Military Watch ... or any watch you want. Much more economical to build a watch than buying one. Kindest regards, Bill
congrats on you Jorune! I'd like to add one "artisan" type watch brand that is a little more affordable... Dornbluth. made by one watch maker and 2 "assistant" watch makers. I use quotations because the other 2 are also master watch makers. runs around 4k and up. anyway, yeah, I'd love to own a FP Journe one day... especially the chronometre bleu. souveraine line is exceptional!
They are expensive Mainspring, but all of these watches by master watchmakers are. Habring2 and Dornbluth & Sohn are two exceptions. Good hunting! Bill
Excellent vid Bill as always! Looking dapper in the suit👌🏻
Best,
Hisham.
Hey Hisham, thanks man! Glad you liked the video, and I had to put on a suit for the subject matter! Cheers, Bill
Agreed.
BTW, I've enjoyed your contributions on Clyde's streams. I think you, him, and Bill together would be an enjoyable collaboration to watch.
rasher bilbo Thanks so much man! I really appreciate it! But Bill and Clyde are in a league of their own👍🏻. I still have to learn so much from them! If they would want me I’d be more than happy 😊. You think I could offer something really? Once again thanks so much man! Means a lot to me 🙂.
Cheers,
Hisham.
Great video Bill, i salute you on your new FP Journe wall clock, looks fantastic. i really love the deisgn, metals, and movements from FP Journe, but the prices are out of my league at the moment, but i think a good step before getting a FP Journe, is getting an A. Lange & Söhne Lange 1 or a 1815. Actually my second grail watch after the Zeitwerk is the Resonance. I think on a budget, a pre-owned Parmigiani Fleurier is the best way to get high horology.
Best,
Abdul
That's a noble grail Abdul! In all honesty, I like my Chronomètre Souverain for everyday use, but the Chronomètre à Résonance is more fun to set and look at. (For most setting a watch like the Résonance is a chore ... but not for me!( I know of a Parmigiani Fleurier Kalpa for about $3,500± if your interested.) Kindest regards, Bill
Each watch are an art form, some manufacturers orient their marketing for the masses, F.P. Journe is a niche market BUT appropriated buy so many. The work which goes into each watch is mind blowing ❤️👍👌
Good luck finding a bracelet for the big one😜, you should put it in the background of your UA-cam office👍
Yes John, FPJ produces under 900 per/year but each one is a work of art... Cheers, Bill
Those used Blues are listed for 40k at Chrono 24 now-a-days (Summer 2019). I should have run out and bought one when you made this video.
Hey Jonnie, it seems we either buy watches too soon for full price or too late as their price goes up. If you've got $23k, here's a gold CS in Hong Kong that'll take some negotiation ... but, the FPJs, all seem to be creeping northward in price except the quartz...www.chrono24.com/fpjourne/pre-owned--chronometre-souverain-cs-g-40-a--id10752984.htm Patience. Cheers, Bill
Ok I did not see that coming. I thought it was a watch. That is so cool.
I like surprises and thought you guys would too, Steven. Kindest regards, Bill
Hey Bill,
Nice clock. My coworker wears an Invicta about the same size.
Hey RPW ... that is so funny! Just wait until I find a strap for my new FPJ! Cheers, bill
WatchArtSci , a conveyer belt would suit perfectly 😀
Why didn't I think of that! I'll slip one of those belts in a bag the next visit to the grocery store.
A cumberbund would fit it perfectly .Wear it to your next black tie event
Another great idea!
I just love F.P. Journe. These smaller brands like F.P. Journe, Laurent Ferrier, H. Moser & Cie, Grönefeld, etc have some beautiful stuff
Hi Thomas, the 'bigger' brands are generally bigger because their watches are mass produced. In some of the smaller brands with talented watchmakers leading the effort, what you find is craftsmanship. It's hard to appreciate the hand of the master watchmaker's craftsmanship in mass produced watches. Unfortunately, they tend to be very expensive. Take care, Bill
WatchArtSci exactly true. A watchmaker like F.P. Journe can make whatever he wants. The master watchmakers behind Rolex, Omega, IWC etc need to stick to what’s demanded of them because they need to be making stuff that can be mass produced and bought by the masses
Hi there Bill, just watched your video and I am considering an FP Journe.
I was going to spend $10,000 on a Dornblueth in house and I though maybe to put it towards a Journe. However, I am also not sure on the Journe, if it will be worth the $20,000.
By the way, the Byblos Blue Model you talked about is a Boutique edition from the 10th boutique opened my Journe in my country .
I live in Lebanon. Thanks for the enlightenment. You always end up doing our (Watch Geeks) home work.
Hey Joey, thanks man. The pleasure is all mine, and I learn from folks like you as well. Kindest regards, Bill
Oooh nice! I love these
Hoping their prices will come back to earth, Howard! Take care, Bill
Great video! Btw I think he only makes rose gold and platinum (no white gold, sort of to make a difference between his models!). And that clock, I would love to get one... pretty sure wasn’t easy to find! Thanks again
Hi Personagc! Thanks man! Check this out...I didn't realize there was a white gold model until I saw this (upper left corner): www.fpjourne.com/en/collection/souveraine-collection/chronometre-souverain Cheers Bill
love your work ! would love to maybe connect on a quick zoom to vent a bit and maybe get some guidance as im ready for the move into fpj
Hey Fayssal, thanks man! What would you like to talk above over Zoom? Here's my contact information, and you can shoot me an email: ua-cam.com/video/uVqCTuA-naw/v-deo.html Take care and be safe, Bill😷
Well you sold that to me, I'll take a platinum one please ^^ I don't have a platinum watch but platinum is a great material, very hard to work, high melting point and tough material. Not that I have a tantalum watch either but I have no experience in that regard so the idea has yet to grab hold of me. The trouble is we all have finite resources and cannot have them all so we need to chose our priorities and you make a good case for the FP Journe, no better example of master horologists work makes better sense.
Hey Daveyboyz, glad you liked it. About finite resources... mine are becoming more finite daily! FP Journe watches, while not at bargain prices, still represent about the only watches you can get from a living grand master watchmaker within the realm of possibility. The platinum Chronomètre Souverain is among my favorite. It is presented as the archetype of FPJ watchmaking, and it is the one that FPJ gave to George Daniels as a gift shortly before Daniels died. ( www.hodinkee.com/articles/on-the-block-an-fp-journe-souverain-cs-given-to-george-daniels-by-fp-journe-the-man ) I'm not sure why there's not more interest in it, but that's a boon to collectors who can find them priced less than the popular Chronomètre Bleu and in [relative] abundance! Cheers, Bill
this video quickly got me into f.p. journe
Hi Miguel... here are a couple more videos on getting to know FPJ: ua-cam.com/video/lF6vzZFmYE4/v-deo.html ; ua-cam.com/video/Lb09qtng390/v-deo.html Take care, Bill
Good evening Mr. Sanders, first of all I would really say thank you for all your incredible work on horology. My question: do you know if any of F.P.Journe watches use base material like silicon, especially for springs? I think that silicon surely owns a high level of physics features, but is not appropriate for a long lifetime watches like these should assure. Silicon is strictly connected with computer development, and for my standpoint it is a transient material that in the next 30-40 years, most likely will disappear. Thank you in advance for your availability. Cheers from Florence, Italy 👍
Hello Francesco ... yes, there have been ventures by FPJ exploring silicon-based hairspring (www.hodinkee.com/articles/fp-journe-firehouse-horology-collaboration), but I prefer the more traditional methods using non-magnetic metals like niobium alloyed with titanium or chromium. Of course silicon has certain advantages that metal alloys do not, but that's like saying quartz movements are more accurate than mechanical ones. So I may sound old-fashioned, and as far as hairsprings are concerned, I am. I was in your beautiful city, Florence, back in the 1970s. A couple of years ago I returned for a short visit ... tourists (like me) have overrun the city! Still, though, we found a wonderful restaurant and great people there. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
Good video. Thanks, Bill.
Hi Eugene, things have changed since then...but thank you! Take care, Bill
Bill, this is exactly what I am looking for.👍😊
Glad it was helpful Hero. Are you talking about the CS or the wall clock? Or both! Take care, Bill
Great Video Bill, thank you! One question, If money isnt a factor, do you like the CS or the Octa Automatique Reserve with the big date?
Hi Edwin, since I like hand-wound over automatics, I'd choose the CS-just like the one I have. If you're looking for a sports watch, the Octa Titanium Sport is a good buy, but I prefer the red gold F.P.Journe Octa Automatique Reserve in the Octa line. The next FPJ I'd like is the Chronomètre Optimum, but at $70k, I'd have to win the lottery! Cheers, Bill
so touching for an excellent video
Hey Huong, thanks man! Take care, Bill
I love the Havana, I am thinking of getting one. Great video Sir...
Hi Emad, thanks man! Yes, I'm with you on the Havana, but there's no way my wife would let me have 2 CS...Back to saving for an Optimum! Cheers, Bill
Did you get it?
Bill, Thanks for this video. I have been wrestling with myself over the purchase of a FPJ Chronometre Souverain 40mm in platinum for several months because I am buying it second-hand and the market is about double the retail at this point. So, watching your video today, it looks soooooo dated when you talk about prices. Nevertheless, today I made the deal to acquire the CS with the gold dial and raised numerals carved out of the dial and ruthenium-coated. This version came out in 2014, but was not mentioned in your overview. (Hodinkee's Clymer reviewed it.) I have assembled my collection with an eye towards whether I love the piece and not based at all on whether it was a good investment. Unfortunately, this watch is so expensive now that I had to consider the financial risk I was taking and I have determined that even though FPJ timepieces have jumped in value tremendously in the past few years, the value will likely not decline because they are truly like rare works of art available from the artist while he is still alive. You are not the only collector who has compared Journe to Picasso, and this was a factor in my final decision. Thank you again, Jim
Hi Jim, I enjoy wearing my CS more than most of my watches ... something about it. If you get your CS; don't worry about resale value ... don't re-sell it! I just got a new band for mine. The FPJ Boutique in NYC was almost out of bands, and so I got a shiny blue gator one from Jean Rousseau Paris. Piece of advice-when you have it serviced; get it overhauled as well. All worn parts will be replaced, and when the FPJ Service Center in Miami (or Geneva) returns it, they include a free band. Right now I'm wearing my Chronomètre à Résonance, which I like very much too, but the CS is better for everyday use. Take care, Bill
Thanks Bill!
Amazing video, I'm new to your channel but I really appreciate the way you go and how much you share in term of knowledge. I'm contemplating the buy of an FP Journe Chronomètre Souverain or maybe blue. I would like your opinion o' one thing if I may : how do you see the market and the brand itself reacting to an hypothetical disparition of FP Journe himself? Do you think the brand will sustain that? How about pre-owned market prices? (I deeply hope that it does not happen anytime soon but that's in my mind so I share)
Adrien, I got both of mine on the used market and took them to the FPJ Boutique in NYC and had them look at it. One I had, without papers, they took the their 'basement lab' and did some things and sent them to Geneva. A couple of weeks later, I got the papers signed by F.P. Journe personally verifying the watch. About six months later, I sent both watches to the FPJ Service Center in Miami for service and overhaul, and now they're like new. FP Journe's son is one of many apprentices, but I don't think FPJ is going anywhere soon. Think of it this way, F.P. Journe is to watches what Pablo Picasso was to paintings. Treat a watch purchase at this level like you would a Picasso painting while he was still around. As for maintaining value, one doubled in price and the other only increased in value by a couple of thousand dollars. As Dorothy said to Toto, "I don't think we're in Kansas any more."
love the content!
Hey Luca! Thanks man! Cheers, Bill
Just adore the F. P. Journe. I have a Fortis, it’s good Swiss watch...it’s not as imposing or has the quality of course of a Journe, but..... to be honest though, my modest Citizen Solar, Khaki, with alloy holes in the khaki band is unique. I think solar watches seem magical. You know, it can be off your hand for ever and still be going as long as it has artificial light ( doesn’t have to be sunlight). It can outlive me, it probability will, without any maintence, isn’t that magical. I can’t leave my mechanical auto off my hand longer than for say, 48 hours...It stops, and any quartz battery watch eventually stops and isn’t environmentally suitable. Think of all those quartz watch batteries in the world being unnecessarily replaced every two years or so. It’s as if Solar watches have come from another world, a great world. There’s plenty to love in a modest solar watch, it is wonderful tech too, sort of like a Journe. And my Citizen keeps wonderful time.
Hey PWA! Just about all of our electricity comes from solar; so I can certainly appreciate a solar time piece...of could my early solar timekeeper went by a different name-sun dial. Cheers, Bill
They do the "boutique" ones to try and keep the secondary in check. He doesn't want people,(flippers), to walk in, by a watch then double their money 1/2 a block down the street. That is why the pre owned cost olny 2000 less than a brand new.
Timothy, the boutique editions are to get buyers into their boutiques by providing something special and a tad more expensive, but I don't think FPJ could care less if the buyer flipped it 5 minutes later. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci No i don't think F.P. himself cares either way. But i dont think he is a one man operation any more. This is speculation, but I think it is one of those things that some member of his "marketing team", if he even has such, in the traditional sense.
@@styx4947 fp makes all the decisions. He answers to no-one.
Great video Bill . How would you rank the Journes ? Which ones would you stay away from. Which ones are least popular, most popular. Thanks
Hey Gerold, thanks man! F.P. Journe and his watches are at the very top. Watchmakers like Roger Smith, Philippe Dufour and Kari Voutilainen (as well as a handful of others) are FPJ's equal. The difference is that FP Journe watches are in the realm of possibility for collectors while most of the others are not. Kindest regards, Bill
Thanks for this info. Very helpful. I don't think the Havana CS is a boutique model because I'm being offered one by my AD. But I can't find info on it online. Can you tell me more about the Havana dial CS? What are they going for aftermarket now?
Thanks for the info, a004! All FPJ Havana CS are highly valued. If you can get one from your AD (without him gouging) I think it would be a good buy, now and later. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci thanks!
Very nice one Bill.
Thank Anastase! Cheers, Bill
Bill is going flava flav with the f p journe ! The gold mechanism in a watch that big must weight a ton, time to hit the gym and strengthen your yolk and abs
You're right Neo! I'm going to have to turn my keg into a 6-pack! Cheers, Bill
WatchArtSci keep doing things your way it works
Wow , you really don’t get the feel for the size of these until they are on the wrist, Beautiful watch Bill, just can’t see how the difference in the prices when they all have the same movement?
Hi as they say in relationships, Pat, "It's complicated." Cheers, Bill
Hi I’m looking for a piece hopefully not at an absurd price. Around USD10k plus. Which model would you recommend?
With any realistic hope at that price, I'd suggest an Élégante for around $10k. Good hunting! Bill
You can't get a chrono bleu anywhere, and the one available on second hand market are above 35k USD
Yes Arnaud, the Bleus are becoming scarce, but you can find plenty of FP Journe Chronomètre Souverains even though their prices are rising too. They seem to be starting around $24k, while just a few years ago, you could find them under $20k. Best of luck, Bill
They stopped taking orders for the blue. Wait was over 8 years already.
Grand Sonnerie is my grail but i can settle for the Piaget Grand Sonniere that Francois Paul made as a freelance watchmaker for them. The 1996P caliber
Hi CBanks! That is interesting, and I was not aware of the, but it's great to know about FPJ's connection with Piaget. Take care, Bill
That Holland and Holand version... oh my god
Hi Erik! I like the H&H too ... wholly uncluttered with a beautiful H&H case. Cheers, Bill
Minimum recommended wrist size for the one you put on the wall here?
Probably 300 cm UN. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
I just love journe.
Me too! There's no other watches that are better... as good, a few, but not better. Cheers, Bill
Hey Bill , Just dropped by to say hi , and good bye, I’ve been sick for about 4 months or so , I was telling people something was wrong, but they just didn’t want to hear or didn’t care , I finally ended up going to the emergency room twice explained I was having pain in a circle around my chest and stomach, at the hospital they took an X-ray and took blood both times they sent me home with a clean bill of health? Well about a week after my last visit to the ER at about one in the morning I decided to have a couple peanut butter cookies and chocolate milk to push it down , about an hour after that I started getting stuff shooting up in my throat, finally some shot out of my mouth , then I got nauseous and went into the bathroom to throw up , well I was puking pure blood , I threw up about 3 times and the blood was getting worse,so I yelled to my wife , and she got her Mom to run me to the hospital, I had to stop and throw more blood up all the way , by this time I’m getting week , I had to go through hell trying to get admitted, she gave me a puke bag to fill as I’m about to pass out from loss of blood , she wanted the I dotted, then she tells me to go in the waiting room ? I almost went out , then the next day after the tests. They should have done a week earlier! They come back and tell me that I have esophagul cancer ! And it has spread to my lungs and liver ? Sorry about the long boring story Bill , I guess I’ll never get my grail watch , God Bless you Bill , and maybe a prayer my way wouldn’t hurt , I’ll send you one Bill , 🙏🏻
Hi Pat, you have all the prayers from me and everyone who reads this. Kindest regards, Bill
3:20 the problem I have with the Picasso analogy, is this company is still going to be cranking out watches after he passes. Picasso paintings stopped production when Pablo died.
Hey John, have you compared the price of an original Breguet by Abraham-Lois Breguet and a current Breguet? When FPJ spirals off this mortal coil, his watches made while he was alive will shoot to the moon. (Or many not...) Cheers, Bill
@@watchartsci I was hoping my halfass comment would recieve a sound response, i'll be sure to look into that. Thank you.
@@JohnCook-bx4gv There're so many "how much will it be worth later...." threads in other quarters, I really am not much good at it. In one of his interviews, FPJ went on about how much his watches would be worth after he kicked the bucket, comparing it to a car designer who died and his cars soared in value. (This was to encourage buyers to get one now-they must have used a gray makeup to make FPJ look like his passing was imminent, but your can find the video on the FPJ FB page.) Check out Roger Dubuis watches (Roger died not long ago). The models he designed and made seemed to have gone up in price, while others of more recent vintage have not. Like I said, this really isn't my forté... Cheers, Bill
Where can I get one of these? Just received my F.P. Journe Octa Perpetual 42mm rose gold. O my God!!!!
Robert, if you just got your F.P. Journe Octa Perpetual, you can most likely get the FPJ Chronomet Souvrain at the same place ... unless you got it from an individual. Congratulations on your Octa! Take care and be safe, Bill😷
@@watchartsci Thanks Bill. I never walked into the store. I had it sent to me. Can you give me some details please?
Hi Bill I am torn between the Journe Chronometre Souverain Havana and the Octa Lune Havana. The price difference is quite huge they look the same apart from the additional date and moon face. It’s also another half extra in price. Which one should I get? Which one is easier to sell on the market if I wish to move on?
Hero, I'd get a Chronometre Souverain Havana were I you. Since I have a CS, I'd get the Octa ... but first Chronometre Souverain Havana. Cheers, Bill
What did you end up getting?
@@a004 None of them. I got an FP Journe Elegante for my wife. But it went up big time so she is laughing all the way to the bank.;)
@@greaterbayareahero1401 I'm being offered the CS Havana. Any reason you didn't go with it? Do you remember the retail price?
@@a004 It was over a year ago but the price was US$38500 then. I bought my wife the Elegante then.
The one should be called the dart board ? Again same movement for the special addition, but I’m guessing the prices are through the roof , now gun metal ? H n H sell some very very high end weapons, but they are usually done in some really out of this world engravings, I wonder why they didn’t do anything like that on the watch ? That would at least help with the price of the watch , gun metal just isn’t doing it for me , I’ve had some nice weapons and my one rifle I took hunting and there was a light snow ,after I was done hunting I put it in my gun sack and went home , got a call to do something and forgot to wipe my weapon Down, the very next day I opened the sack and my rifle had rusted right through the bluing and this was no cheap weapon, so would that happen to a watch with gun metal if it got wet ? I think Rich Mille makes a watch out of meteorite steel? And charges let’s just say you could probably buy a dozen or more FPS for the price , isn’t gold from outer space and just as old ? Make that 6 dozen
Pat, for some reason, FP Journe has a personal collection of watches made from gun metal. I guess he decided he'd create a gun metal dial out of H&H shotgun barrels and use the FP Journe Chronomètre Souvrain without the small seconds or power reserve indicator. Rather steep in price, and I'll just hang on to my CS and be happy with it. Cheers, Bill
What is the award he is mentioning in the beginning? Is it a prestigious award for outstanding brands every year?
NomNom, it's the Grand Prix d’Horlogerie de Genève awards ... sort of like the Watch Oscars. Check out gphg.org. Take care, Bill
WatchArtSci thank you for the reply. Thank you for educating us with awesome contents!
Dear Bill,
I am a young collector and I love to pass by the Journe AD and try on some watches. I would love to get myself a platinum chronomètre souverain like this one but I’ve heard from people online that Journe watches are unreliable and have many faults (of course this is not what I hear at the AD). I would like to know your thoughts on this as I realize that the AD would surely not mention problems with their watches but there are also many people online who like to talk badly about things they cannot afford. Have you had any problems with your Journe watches or know people who have, and would you recommend me getting one?
Keep making these interesting videos and I wish you the best,
Matthieu
Matthieu, the Internet is full of misinformation, and you have to be careful whom you believe. F.P. Journe watches are fine pieces of horological art and must be taken care of. So if someone knows someone who had a problem, that's quite possible. However, most 'collector-to-collector' chats are unreliable. I have two FPJs, a Chronomètre Souverain (2007) and an early (2002) FP Journe Chronomètre à Résonance; both purchased pre-owned. After a while, I noticed that neither would unwind all the way-they had never been serviced. So I send them both to the FPJ Service Center in Miami (in 2017), and ever since then, they've had no problems at all. The platinum CS is one of my favorites to wear. Would I recommend buying one? If you can afford one, yes. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
am glad that I own the octa havana
What a great watch to own, Abdalla! Take care, Bill
The Bleu is 39mm the other two are 40mm, and Journe does not use white gold for any of his cases. Platinum, red gold & tantalum for the CS. Theses are now all trading way over retail, particularly the Bleu 💉
Yep James, the Bleu has gone nuts! Selling for double the retail. I didn't realize they were 39mm instead of 40 like my platinum CS. FPJ uses white Gold appliqué hands in the newer platinum CS, but on mine they use whitened guilloché Silver for the dial.(Poor me...😢) The CS's have gone up about $10k and the Bleus about $20k-no plans to sell; so it doesn't affect me. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷
WatchArtSci thanks Bill, like my Tesla stock- not selling that anytime soon either. Nice piece 🙏🏻
Nice video! Is that an Apple Watch on your right hand? I often wear my Apple watch on one hand and my mechanical watch on other hand. Do you?
Hi Paul, no, it's my big H. Moser & Cie Henry Double Hairsprings. I don't own an Apple Watch ... just my iPhone ... which is getting a bit long in the tooth. Cheers, Bill
Whoops! I was mistaken. That's my 'Fitbit' ... the band broke on it and so now I carry it around in my pocket. I had forgotten that when that video was made I was still wearing it on my wrist. Bill
It's pleasure so it's very much allowed and even highly recommended for good health.
Everyone knows that pleasure puts the doctor away, right ?
Hello Patrick...yes, anything to keep the doctor away and have a little fun. Take care, Bill
Where did you get the clock ⏰
Unfortunately, Decha, I cannot say. Take care, Bill
$20,000 sounds reachable until i convert to nz money,then double the price 😢😢
Yikes, John! Take care, Bill
That's the Green Giant watch. Why you are hanging it on the wall?
Freddy it's a big Wall Clock...why else would it hang on the wall? Take care, Bill
F.P. Journe better in your view then A Lange Soehne ?
Hi Assaf. F.P. Journe is unsurpassed. There may be some A. Lange & Söhn watches on the level of FPJ but none are better than an equivalent FPJ. AL&S is superior watch company. Kindest regards, Bill.
Iam not sure what "Realms" your in. But it cant be the same one as me, I'd like to consider 20 or 30 thousand entry level. Lol, but I think iam the exception," one must know to whom one speaks". And your audience is in a different league, i must've fell in the back door. Lol
Timothy, there are lots of different audiences who watch Watch ArtSci. However, by learning about watches, a lot of us have learned how to find a good buy that we could not otherwise afford. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷
You are gonna have a hard time finding a leather strap for that big boy...
Hey erne75, it'll take the whole gator! And a big one! Cheers Bill
What about L.leroy Observatoire Chronomètre watch
Hi Mohamed, I know little about them. My one L. Leroy I traded, and it had an ETA 7001 movement that Leroy failed to tell me about. What could you tell me? thanks Bill
WatchArtSci I mean this 2015 Basel world watch by Leroy is resemble one of Pierre Le Roy inventions and this watch specifically has an incredible moment structure L200 caliber.
You where right about ETA Leroy watch ‚Osmior ‚ but they got also high end watch like tourbillon and fusee chain.
The only watch that steal my attention is L.leroy Observatoire Chronomètre.
I am a big fan of breguet watches but leroy also got interesting history.
WatchArtSci unfortunately I was trying to find this leroy Observatoire Chronomètre in the second hand market and it seems no one has brought this model or any Leroy watches and it seems that the only way I could get it by paying full retail price.
Mohamed, I don't think that Leroy is going to be around much longer. They've been on a long slide for some time now. Take care, Bill
A lucky family member will inherit and continue on the tradition in your name, some day. Not to be overly morbid etc ....
Hey FM, sort of focusing on the moment here....Cheers, Bill
Just make sure you specify who gets the watch and who gets the clock
...I'm taking the clock with me...
can you buy a new FP. Journe for $22K?
It's been a while Tuna ... Take care and be safe, Bill😷
Keep in mind FP Journe Service is every 4 years not 5 and price is 2300-2400 even on these entry level ones.
Don, it's either 4 or 5 year or 3 or 4 year service term for the Chronomètre Souverain and the hronomètre à Résonance, respectively. Not all are the same. The service for the Souverain is $1,800 and for the Chronomètre à Résonance, around $2,100±. However, if you want the overhaul, it's more. I got the overhaul on both of mine along with the service. These watches, obviously, aren't for everyone. Cheers, Bill
2018 - $22 000/ 2022 - $120 000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One thing for sure Benjamin, the prices really took off and headed straight for the moon! Take care, Bill
Is he wearing an Apple watch?
Is who wearing an Apple Watch Alex? Thanks, Bill
So the less iconic and complex piece sells for more money because it's more popular. I feel my sanity slipping away....
Slip, slidin' away...yep. I blame Rolex, Clyde for encouraging the sportier styles... of course, I'm most grateful to Rolex for making the others more affordable! 47th Street here I come! Cheers, Bill
They sell for more (only on the secondary market) because their popularity makes them less available, not simply because they are more popular.
Supply and demand.
@@DJogdog Yes indeed, they are very popular....and that's why ADs can add a premium on them. The question is, though, do you want excellent horology or popularity? Take care, Bill
lol The question and purpose is - how much time do you have left in your life? You better investigate the claims of Jesus while you still have time . He said 'No man comes unto the Father except through me'.
Sorry J. We maintain a separation of Church and Watch here. Cheers, Bill