My father was a blasting engineer for Hercules powder company for 40 years. He took me to many open pit mines in the south west US. We all hid behind a monstrous shovel when certain shots were detonated. We were less than a quarter mile from the blast site. I was 14 years old. At that time in the mid fifties they used a magneto powered blasting machine to generate enough electricity to set of the blasting caps. At times I would get to operate the blasting machine which required three or four pumping strokes to. Build up the electrical charge and then a final full stroke on the plunger
I knew Jim well. was not aware of his passing. will someone continue his training business? Will the model of the 8050 still be working? He was a most unique individual that's for sure.
Continued from above-- the final stroke sent the full electrical charge down the blasting wires at a speed of three miles a second. Even though the explosives were timed to follow each other in sequence the speed of the charge was so fast the explosion seemed to happen all at once. Part of the explosive was twenty five pound cartridges of Gelamite which were about three feet long and eight inches in diameter. The rest was a nitrogen slurry that was pumped into each hole and then soaked with diesel fuel . The nitrogen slurry soaked in diesel fuel was the main explosive, the cartridges provided a really powerful blast which was necessary to detonate the slurry . The slurry was the explosive used to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City. That was about a thousand pounds of slurry in the back of a pick up truck. We were detonating about 100,000 pounds of slurry in most open Pit mining operations. Surprisingly the blasts were not loud because the holes filled with the explosive went down fifty feet or so. The blasts were designed by my father to shatter and lift about a million tons of earth and rock which then was removed and sent for processing to extract the iron ore.
Cool video and looks very impressive to me what I wouldn't give to Ride it Just once... like I did when I was a little boy and Growing up and Got to see our Marion 8750 Walking Dragline at Sunspot Amax Coal Mine and further more got to take a Ride such a wonderful memory that will never be forgotten ❤
The Marion 8200 was always my favorite machine to erect. As an old Marion erector I was fortunate enough to have been the erector on 6 model 8200s and have erected at least one of every model that Marion produced from the early 1970s through the company's end. That would include all the Shovel, Drill and Dragline models.
I think you have it backwards. It's not a Cat and by painting it yellow it's still not. Cat couldn't design and build a dragline this size in their wildest dreams
Yes. On the videos of The Big Muskie digging, It would be nice if they would let it place a D11, or something similar, right next to where the bucket would be digging, for perspective on the, I believe around 200 yard, bucket. Over half a million pounds at a bite, whatever the yardage is.
Wasn't there a W1800 once at British Steel at Scunthorp? I put a Merion 7500 in that mine in 1979 but zi think they sold it right after we started it up in early 1980.
@@MegaDonns Yes there were only 4 W1800 made by Ransomes & Rapier 1st one was in Wales, 2nd Scunthorpe area, 3rd was in Corby ( possibly Pennsylvania after 1980 ) and the 4th went to Potenza Italy then was shipped to Estevan Canada in 1974. The Marion went to Corby in 1974. want any pics give me a shout.
William; I will look up your write up. I am seriously considering writing a book about the field erection of Draglines. I have something like 10 000 photograps of erection jobs that I have been in charge of. From early 1970s through the end of Marion in 1996 I was the erector on at least one of every model we produced. After Marion I have done a lot of consulting about the world. I did a 2 year contract as a construction monitor for the state of Mississippi public service commission. Part of that job was monitoring the reassembly and upgrading of the old Ace Of Spade P&H (Page) 757.
Not a well produced video. Show the bucket digging. Show the dragline swinging, up fairly close. Show the operator working the controls. Show the winches pulling, and the cables and pulleys in action. Let the machine make it's own music, motor noise, creaking, popping, etc.
I forgot those cranes "walked", surprised they're still used. I'd have thought that the leibherr, Orenstein&Koppel and komatsu 360° tracked excavators would be the norm nowadays. There used to be a dragline in the Northumberland area called "Big Geordie" not sure what happened to it.
@@fedup3582 I saw one of their braggings saying they bought out O&K just like they had to buy EMD from GM to get 'their' tranin setup. Anyway, Cat ended up with it even though they had to buy out a dozen. Whole lot cheaper for them to do that and change a thing or two and then slap thir name on it that come out with something original. Lots faster too.
Leider das bisher allerschlechteste Video was ich je von Baumaschinen auf YT gesehen habe. Traurig, bei solch einer geilen Maschine. Ganz wenig wirklich reine Maschinenmomente -ohne- überblendeten Text, die Bild in Bild Abschnitte sind schlicht sinnfrei, verwackelt ist noch untertrieben und von der Musik bei YT Videos wollen wir auch hier mal besser gar nicht anfangen zu reden. So etwas lädt man besser gar nicht hoch, oder nicht ohne massive Überarbeitung.
Yes they are still being made, P&H and Cat formerly Bucyrus, are the 2 main manufacturers, if you look on Cat web site, it will tell you what models are available. I'm no expert, but hope this answers your query.
@@andrewrees8749 Wow. I think those machines are pretty amazing. Plus the fact that something that gigantic actually "walks" is incredible in itself. Yes - you did answer my question. Thank you very much!
Yes you can still order a new Dragline if you want. However most people are seeking out old machines to move and refurbish at their sites. Joy Global, Komatsu can still build you one of the P&H machines. They got into the walking Dragline business when they purchase Page Engineering back in the late 1980s. The first P&H Dragline was still using the last Page 757 model number but incorporated the new P&H waking system (which I love calling a Marion system just to tweak my friends at P&H.) The reason this machine is a 757 model is because it was originally sold to the British Coal Board just before the Page takeover by P&H. P&H kept the 757 model number for this one machine and then went to their own model numbers for machines after that one. FYI, I was involved with moving this 757 Dragline from England to Mississippi. It was changed a lot from the original and is probably the most (ore at least one of the most) technically progressive machine out there. Cat purchased Bucyrus International and will sell you a new Dragline. Bucyrus had previously purchase the Ransome Rapier group in something like the late 1980s or early 1990s. Bucyrus then purchased Marion Power Shovel co. in 1996. Later Cat purchased Bucyrus International and wound up with the whole shooting match. The cat adverts mostly feature a Marion 8200 Dragline, a Bucyrus 797 Rope Shovel and an O&K Hydraulic Shovel plus Terex equipment, which they acquired in all their shopping expedition's. The Russians still make small walking Draglines but these would mostly be custom built machines and rarely sold outside Russia except maybe to India. There are actually companies out there that have the capability of supplying a walking Dragline structure and companies that can supply Motors and control systems. I won't mention the names of these companies because I don't know that they would want me to. There are still a lot of old Marion guys, like me, and old Page or Bucyrus guys roaming about out there with some good knowledge stored in their addled brains so a new machine is entirely possible - should anyone have a spare $100M +/- laying about to purchase one.
Draglines of this size are bought in a million pieces from companies like P&H and others. All the pieces are then loaded on massive long haul trucks and train cars for delivery to the closest spot adjacent to the open pit project. Dozens of factory trained technicians then assemble all the parts and test the machine. All this could take a year or more to complete. Depending on the size of the project the drag line could work the same pit for twenty years of more. At the end of its useful life it will be moved to an out of the way spot at the bottom of the pit and left to eventually be covered by water as the pit fills over the decades. Eventually it will be forgotten as the company moves to another project and a brand new drag line. The same scenario is repeated over and over again.
Marion merged with Bucyrus years ago. They decided that joining together would be the best option for both company's. Rather than being in direct competition. And it was decided by Manitowoc that they would stick with what they do best and stay out of the mega machine business. Marion was the greatest large equipment company ever. They started in Steam equipment. And their crowning achievement was The Space Crawler and Big Muskie.
In my country nearly all electricity is hydro-electric and the rest is Geothermal and wind, so no fuel is burnt to create it, however it is still not cheap. That Dragline has bout 10000kw of electric motors driving it, so the electric bill must be fairly steep.
The Inserted video is annoying. Presumably anyone watching this video would have seen a Dragline in action.. It's distracting as is the God awful music.
My father was a blasting engineer for Hercules powder company for 40 years. He took me to many open pit mines in the south west US. We all hid behind a monstrous shovel when certain shots were detonated. We were less than a quarter mile from the blast site. I was 14 years old. At that time in the mid fifties they used a magneto powered blasting machine to generate enough electricity to set of the blasting caps. At times I would get to operate the blasting machine which required three or four pumping strokes to. Build up the electrical charge and then a final full stroke on the plunger
Thanks for sharing! A story here and there paints a full picture for those of us unlucky enough to be born only 30 years ago.
I was the Marion erector on several 8200s. It was always my favorite model. It will always be a Marion to me.
Your probably know the late Jim Brennan? He passed away the end of last month.
I knew Jim well. was not aware of his passing. will someone continue his training business? Will the model of the 8050 still be working? He was a most unique individual that's for sure.
Continued from above-- the final stroke sent the full electrical charge down the blasting wires at a speed of three miles a second. Even though the explosives were timed to follow each other in sequence the speed of the charge was so fast the explosion seemed to happen all at once. Part of the explosive was twenty five pound cartridges of Gelamite which were about three feet long and eight inches in diameter. The rest was a nitrogen slurry that was pumped into each hole and then soaked with diesel fuel . The nitrogen slurry soaked in diesel fuel was the main explosive, the cartridges provided a really powerful blast which was necessary to detonate the slurry . The slurry was the explosive used to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City. That was about a thousand pounds of slurry in the back of a pick up truck. We were detonating about 100,000 pounds of slurry in most open Pit mining operations. Surprisingly the blasts were not loud because the holes filled with the explosive went down fifty feet or so. The blasts were designed by my father to shatter and lift about a million tons of earth and rock which then was removed and sent for processing to extract the iron ore.
Long live the Silver Spade, Big Muskie and the GEM of Egypt RIP😭
Hell yeah screw caterpillar
I don't care how much black and yellow paint Cat tries to put on these machines, They are still Marion Draglines !
Cool video and looks very impressive to me what I wouldn't give to Ride it Just once... like I did when I was a little boy and Growing up and Got to see our Marion 8750 Walking Dragline at Sunspot Amax Coal Mine and further more got to take a Ride such a wonderful memory that will never be forgotten ❤
Baby dragline compared to the old school monsters
Excellent video. Well done and thought out
Loved the music
Didn't know that caterpillar had built a dragline very impressive newer dragline thanks for your video very much appreciated it!
They didn’t- Marion did
They bought out R&K. Just like EMD. Just a cat sticker on already established equipment.
That's a small one. I got to go inside the biggest dragline ever built, The Big Muskie. It had a 225 cubic yard bucket.
this is what Bucyrus Erie looks like after Cat bought them
The Marion 8200 was always my favorite machine to erect. As an old Marion erector I was fortunate enough to have been the erector on 6 model 8200s and have erected at least one of every model that Marion produced from the early 1970s through the company's end. That would include all the Shovel, Drill and Dragline models.
MegaDonns let’s see pictures and video. Come on!!!!
Maybe smaller than the old giants, but looks well built.
Just cause ya paint something Yella, don't mean its a CAT
I think you have it backwards. It's not a Cat and by painting it yellow it's still not. Cat couldn't design and build a dragline this size in their wildest dreams
@@RJ1999x no they just bought bucyrus and painted it haha
Caterpiller has an entire mining division now
It looks stupid with painted yellow and cat wrote on it.
Why would you say that ? Cat are a hugely successful company that build quality machines . I’m guessing you are a sock puppet.
It needs some BUCYRUS ERIE signs on it that's what it really is since cat bought BUCYRUS ERIE
It’s technically a Marion design so put Bucyrus Marion on it because those are the real creators of it
Nice Work - Cheers for posting
I cant read your on screen font
More crap music. Why ? Why any music ? How about listening to the noise of the machine.
Are these things really that cost effective?
Cat Dragline Excavator? There is no such critter. It's either a "dragline" or an "excavator", it can't be both.
Bucket always looks soo small compared to the remainder of the machine
I know shame on them for breaking the golden ratio lol
Yes. On the videos of The Big Muskie digging, It would be nice if they would let it place a D11, or something similar, right next to where the bucket would be digging, for perspective on the, I believe around 200 yard, bucket. Over half a million pounds at a bite, whatever the yardage is.
Looks like a marion 8200 to me nice paint job tho...yes cat have bought B/E.marion .terex
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I consider this dragline a p&h Because caterpillar bought P&h and just slap their name on P&h equipment
It's a BUCYRUS ERIE cat bought B E
@@dalemarshall625 And before BE it was a Marion! Basically a Marion design.
Nothing compared to the magnificent W1400 & W1800 Ransomes & Rapier machines that worked at Corby Iron & Steelworks Quarries from 1950 - 1980
Wasn't there a W1800 once at British Steel at Scunthorp? I put a Merion 7500 in that mine in 1979 but zi think they sold it right after we started it up in early 1980.
@@MegaDonns Yes there were only 4 W1800 made by Ransomes & Rapier 1st one was in Wales, 2nd Scunthorpe area, 3rd was in Corby ( possibly Pennsylvania after 1980 ) and the 4th went to Potenza Italy then was shipped to Estevan Canada in 1974. The Marion went to Corby in 1974. want any pics give me a shout.
William; I have been on the one at M&S Coal in Estavan. In 1988/89 I was the Marion Erector on an 8750 at the M&S Mine.
@@MegaDonns I have a small write up & some photos on Doug Gents history pages ( Mining stuff etc )
William; I will look up your write up. I am seriously considering writing a book about the field erection of Draglines. I have something like 10 000 photograps of erection jobs that I have been in charge of. From early 1970s through the end of Marion in 1996 I was the erector on at least one of every model we produced. After Marion I have done a lot of consulting about the world. I did a 2 year contract as a construction monitor for the state of Mississippi public service commission. Part of that job was monitoring the reassembly and upgrading of the old Ace Of Spade P&H (Page) 757.
Nothing runs like a Cat!
It’s not a cat it’s literally a repainted Marion 8200
"Running" might be a little overstating for a crawler
@@manuhonkanen2111 ?
@@manuhonkanen2111 no it walks on feet no crawling involved
@@Leatherface123. I see!
Same stupid blast effect posing as real sound.
Not a well produced video. Show the bucket digging. Show the dragline swinging, up fairly close. Show the operator working the controls. Show the winches pulling, and the cables and pulleys in action. Let the machine make it's own music, motor noise, creaking, popping, etc.
Marion
I forgot those cranes "walked", surprised they're still used. I'd have thought that the leibherr, Orenstein&Koppel and komatsu 360° tracked excavators would be the norm nowadays. There used to be a dragline in the Northumberland area called "Big Geordie" not sure what happened to it.
Cat bought out O&K. THAT's where these came from. Just like buying out EMD to get 'their' train power plants.
@@lewiemcneely9143 O&K Orenstein and Koppel were bought out by New Holland
@@derekporter7658 Cat bought out somebody because all they had cable was dozers years ago.
@@lewiemcneely9143 I think it might have been Bucyrus or P&H.
@@fedup3582 I saw one of their braggings saying they bought out O&K just like they had to buy EMD from GM to get 'their' tranin setup. Anyway, Cat ended up with it even though they had to buy out a dozen. Whole lot cheaper for them to do that and change a thing or two and then slap thir name on it that come out with something original. Lots faster too.
yellow paint indicates what ?
That they bought out O&K!
Disrespect !
Leider das bisher allerschlechteste Video was ich je von Baumaschinen auf YT gesehen habe. Traurig, bei solch einer geilen Maschine. Ganz wenig wirklich reine Maschinenmomente -ohne- überblendeten Text, die Bild in Bild Abschnitte sind schlicht sinnfrei, verwackelt ist noch untertrieben und von der Musik bei YT Videos wollen wir auch hier mal besser gar nicht anfangen zu reden. So etwas lädt man besser gar nicht hoch, oder nicht ohne massive Überarbeitung.
Do they still make Walking Draglines? This is the first time I've seen a Cat Walking Drag.
Yes they are still being made, P&H and Cat formerly Bucyrus, are the 2 main manufacturers, if you look on Cat web site, it will tell you what models are available. I'm no expert, but hope this answers your query.
@@andrewrees8749 Wow. I think those machines are pretty amazing. Plus the fact that something that gigantic actually "walks" is incredible in itself. Yes - you did answer my question. Thank you very much!
Yes you can still order a new Dragline if you want. However most people are seeking out old machines to move and refurbish at their sites. Joy Global, Komatsu can still build you one of the P&H machines. They got into the walking Dragline business when they purchase Page Engineering back in the late 1980s. The first P&H Dragline was still using the last Page 757 model number but incorporated the new P&H waking system (which I love calling a Marion system just to tweak my friends at P&H.) The reason this machine is a 757 model is because it was originally sold to the British Coal Board just before the Page takeover by P&H. P&H kept the 757 model number for this one machine and then went to their own model numbers for machines after that one. FYI, I was involved with moving this 757 Dragline from England to Mississippi. It was changed a lot from the original and is probably the most (ore at least one of the most) technically progressive machine out there. Cat purchased Bucyrus International and will sell you a new Dragline. Bucyrus had previously purchase the Ransome Rapier group in something like the late 1980s or early 1990s. Bucyrus then purchased Marion Power Shovel co. in 1996. Later Cat purchased Bucyrus International and wound up with the whole shooting match. The cat adverts mostly feature a Marion 8200 Dragline, a Bucyrus 797 Rope Shovel and an O&K Hydraulic Shovel plus Terex equipment, which they acquired in all their shopping expedition's. The Russians still make small walking Draglines but these would mostly be custom built machines and rarely sold outside Russia except maybe to India. There are actually companies out there that have the capability of supplying a walking Dragline structure and companies that can supply Motors and control systems. I won't mention the names of these companies because I don't know that they would want me to. There are still a lot of old Marion guys, like me, and old Page or Bucyrus guys roaming about out there with some good knowledge stored in their addled brains so a new machine is entirely possible - should anyone have a spare $100M +/- laying about to purchase one.
@@cnote4461 It don't walk, it hops ... ;-)
It a BUCYRUS ERIE cat bought them out
Draglines of this size are bought in a million pieces from companies like P&H and others. All the pieces are then loaded on massive long haul trucks and train cars for delivery to the closest spot adjacent to the open pit project. Dozens of factory trained technicians then assemble all the parts and test the machine. All this could take a year or more to complete. Depending on the size of the project the drag line could work the same pit for twenty years of more. At the end of its useful life it will be moved to an out of the way spot at the bottom of the pit and left to eventually be covered by water as the pit fills over the decades. Eventually it will be forgotten as the company moves to another project and a brand new drag line. The same scenario is repeated over and over again.
Bucyrus machine !!!!!!!!!!
Marion merged with Bucyrus years ago. They decided that joining together would be the best option for both company's. Rather than being in direct competition. And it was decided by Manitowoc that they would stick with what they do best and stay out of the mega machine business. Marion was the greatest large equipment company ever. They started in Steam equipment. And their crowning achievement was The Space Crawler and Big Muskie.
@@fposmith Big Muskie was a Bucyrus machine. Marions greatest achievement in my opinion was the 6360 Captain stripping shovel.
This thing must burn a TON of fuel! Epic!
It is electric!
Harold oh wow is it one of those free energy machines? How dose that work?
@@ryanburbridge Electricity comes magically from somewhere, without any emissions. That's what we are told.
Petri Koivukangas ya ha i think you get my point lol
In my country nearly all electricity is hydro-electric and the rest is Geothermal and wind, so no fuel is burnt to create it, however it is still not cheap. That Dragline has bout 10000kw of electric motors driving it, so the electric bill must be fairly steep.
Hey d,h, blue on black? W.t.f.
Try to get B&E parts from cat, joke, worlds gone to shit!
Caterpillar buys Bucyrus, and puts Cat engineering in Bucyrus products improving the machines.
Really Haha Caterpillar don't make me laugh
Hey numbnuts, most of the major earthmoving jobs in the world wouldnt have been completed without Cat
And then cat rapes Bucyrus into extinction
The Inserted video is annoying.
Presumably anyone watching this video would have seen a Dragline in action..
It's distracting as is the God awful music.
Poor editing of the video.
Lot of wva is gone because of these operations
Bucyrus 8200 !!!
Acquired by caterpillar in 2011 ?
Marion 8200
Lousy
chi ha fatto questo video non si è reso conto di aver fatto delle scritte di merda