Just so you know, the 12 volt battery isn't for cranking the motor, the motor is actually started from one of the motor generators off of the high voltage traction battery. The 12 volt battery literally runs the car's computers and accessories. The biggest reason why it won't turn on when the 12 volt battery dies, is because the cars ECU doesn't turn on. If you were to cheat and only provide 12 volt power to the ecu, the rest of the car would turn on normally after the inverter has turned on because the inverter does charge the 12 volt system.
The original battery temperature sensor can be removed by pealing back the top sticker and popping the thermistor from its groove from behind what looks like a scant droplet of hot glue. I spent a long time trying to find the sensor itself before I realized how easy it was to remove. If you damage the actual sensing element, or need to solder a homemade replacement because you got another battery without the sensor, the thermistor itself can be replaced with the compatible Semitec 2kohm NTC Thermistor, (part number: 202AT-2). Due to this, I have been running with a UPS battery for a year now... Brand : Semitec part number: 202AT-2 Resistance: 2kohm Type: NTC Thermistor Series: AT B Parameter: 3182 K Resistance: 2 kOhms Power Rating: 10 mW Tolerance: 1 %
Some of the 12v mechanical can load down the 12v too much before the HV battery can be engaged. That's what happened to me with my 2016 Prius. The ABS accumulator would kick on. As far as CCA, don't need much. Consider the ABS your "crank" load.
If I remember correctly, when the car is off, the "main" battery is completely disconnected. It is only connected via a relay powered by the 12v battery, therefore, the car doesn't have access to any electrons without the 12v.
One of the things I love about you is that you don't go off on people's cars. Like, you never call them a piece of garbage or shame the owners in any way for how they have treated them. You are a professional and are just there for the repairs. I, on the other hand, am a detailer. I'm all about shaming the owners of the cars. lol
Hybrid cars don't use the 12volt battery to crank the engine.... ! It just needs to operate the solenoids to turn on the high voltage traction battery, and also run lights and instruments etc.
@@jamesc9327 Hybrids and EVs confuse a lot of 'old-school' mechanics. It was obvious he didn't really know what he was doing when he first tried to start the car although, to be fair, he said as much himself.
1 of my friends works at a Ford dealership near me, if he gets a crusty vehicle he will flat out refuse to even get in it. I can't say I blame him. These mechanics are constantly getting knocks & knicks on their hands; these disgusting, contaminated, infested vehicles can easily expose them to all types of diseases or illnesses. They should charge hazard pay to the customer when working on these vehicles if they choose to actually work on them.
I agree. Ray should wear gloves when working on a car like that. A hazmat suit would have been better. When I take my car to my mechanic I always try to wash it first. If I don't have the time to wash it, I apologize to the mechanic. As far as the interior goes, I always keep it clean.
Absolutely. I used to volunteer for animal rescue and when our van needed serviced, I made sure the entire vehicle was totally cleaned & disinfectant inside and out before going for any service. People are disgusting when they don't care.
I have owned a Fusion Hybrid since 2013. My first experience with the 12-volt battery was a cold January. The thing was so dead that it wouldn't light the dash. With this car I had to crawl through the back seat and pull the emergency trunk release. Only one battery will fit, and I had to remove part on the trunk liner as the hole is too small for the battery. It was a Royal PITA. Good thing about my car, no ants or crap in the trunk.
Yeah, I have one of those too. You can't let em sit for weeks without driving. Battery will die. 210k miles on my 2013 FFH SE and ac blows so cold, suspension is still good, brakes still good. Airbag light came on randomly though. Front passenger seat probably has a faulty sensor. They're good cars! Just picked up a 2013 ford cmax and it's a lot more performance than the fusion. Worse gas mileage. With spirited driving in Texas with 100 degrees and highway driving I have averaged 41mpgs in the fusion. Can't beat that!
Gotta put hybrids in "maintenance mode" so that the ICE starts immediately and runs until you turn it off. You can even Rev the engine unlike when you're not in maintenance mode.
As I recall, the stoke sensor deals with the brakes. When you apply the brakes, the hybrid system wants use regenerative braking, I.e., using the electric motors to slow the vehicle converting what would be brake heat energy into electricity. If you push hard on the brake pedal, the stroke sensor allows the hydraulic brakes to slow you. If you ever get some air in the brake hydraulic system and get a spongy pedal, it really shows up. As you are coming to a stop and reach about 5-mph (Canadians, do the math to k/ph ;-) ) the re-gen stops and the pedal falls from under your foot because of the air in the system. Major pucker factor as you are approaching the car in front of you ! The battery you replaced is likely an AGM battery as to not fill the trunk with hydrogen gas, although that might help with the ant problem.
The hydrogen won't affect the ants in the least - it can't get concentrated enough to be an issue with their respiration due to the fact the trunk is not sealing well at all (hence the wet and ants). The owner, however, might note the stench of hydrogen sulfide from a standard L/A battery crammed in the trunk unable to vent. Hydrogen Sulfide stinks to high heaven long, long before it's a fire risk.
"not sponsored by the ants" is exactly what someone taking secret money from Big-Ant would say to throw us off your trail. We are on to you Mr. Ant Apologist....
The original battery temperature sensor can be removed by pealing back the top sticker and popping the thermistor from its groove from behind what looks like a scant droplet of hot glue. I spent a long time trying to find the sensor itself before I realized how easy it was to remove. If you damage the actual sensing element, or need to solder a homemade replacement because you got another battery without the sensor, the thermistor itself can be replaced with the compatible Semitec 2kohm NTC Thermistor, (part number: 202AT-2). Due to this, I have been running with a UPS battery for a year now... Brand : Semitec part number: 202AT-2 Resistance: 2kohm Type: NTC Thermistor Series: AT B Parameter: 3182 K Resistance: 2 kOhms Power Rating: 10 mW Tolerance: 1 %
The battery in the Toyota Camry Hybrids are an AGM deep cycle battery - and not a standard flooded lead acid one. They last super long for what they do - as they're more there to power the aux systems and other stuff. They're charged directly from the traction battery via a DC to DC convertor. They're not meant to throw out a ton of amps, as the highest drain parts hooked up to them are probably either the headlights or stereo.
@@jamesc9327 he really shouldn’t work any HEV or BEV if he’s not knowledgeable enough with what he’s doing. There are a lot of electronics involve with both types.
The one thing I found peculiar, is that any vehicle I've worked on with a remote mounted battery, has jumper points near the engine, to connect jump start leads to.
RainMan is a real professional. Just like a doctor working in an ER, performing any procedure necessary to save a patience. Sometimes even cleaning out the patient's rectum if needed.
I will have to show this video to my daughter. Her car is just like that. She is just lucky no ants (yet). On a side note, copiers are sometimes the grossest things to service. Winter time you can look at one and see perfectly where someone had just sneezed on it. I once had one in a cafeteria, trash can right beside the machine. The company id10Ts were using the copier as a backboard for the trashcan. I called the manager out to it. Showed him the pop/food/yuck stains on the copier. Told him this is your one and only warning, if I ever see that again, you will be billed for my cleaning time contract or not.
Ray, the high-voltage battery is the "cranking battery". The 12-volt battery in the trunk is only to power up the computers and the relays to activate the high-voltage system.
Since it's a hybrid the engine doesn't run continuously so to show that it's ready to drive it says ready on the instrument cluster. The 12v battery is just for the computers, lights and fans. The starting is done by the hybrid battery, it has a big motor between the engine and transmission that takes the place of the torque converter. It's responsible for charging the hybrid battery and starting the engine. I love the videos.
I thought on Toyotas, they use a wankle engine that is tied directly to a generator. All the propulsion is electric. The engine has its own 12v battery, alternator and is electricity isolated from the 200v electric drive system. It makes it easy to use 12v from the standard parts bin that they build the standard gas version with. That was my understanding and I am not sure if this is how they are still built.
@@MrKornnugget Nope. Toyota hybrids drive the front axle with a combination of the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) and Motor Generator (MG). They also drive the rear axle with another MG in the AWD(i) models. There is no drive shaft connecting the ICE with the rear axle, so that leads to more legroom in the rear seating area. There is also no starter in their hybrids, as a MG spins up the ICE whenever it needs to start. The whole system is pretty fascinating as sometimes the MGs drive the axle, sometimes they are used to start the ICE, and sometimes they charge the batteries via regenerative braking. The Weber Auto UA-cam channel has some really enjoyable videos that explain the system fully.
@@MrKornnugget Toyota use the same engine in their non hybrids except they’re Atkinson cycle instead of the normal Otto cycle. This Camry has the same 2.4 4 cylinder all Camrys had during this time. The 12 V battery is for the normal low voltage accessories all vehicles have like have. The Hybrid high voltage battery is for propulsion.
I'm pretty sure the reason they don't use one battery is to avoid electrocution/fire hazards in case of malfunction. The propulsion battery has to operate at higher voltages than the rest of the system. Transformers would also be a possibility, but could still malfunction, and are less efficient. The 12v battery is used to close the contacts for the propulsion battery when needed. This way it can be "shut off" when being worked on or is in an accident, this preventing shocks and fires. I'm no car expert though, but like to listen to them :)
The A/C compressor in that Camry hybrid is electrically powered by the hybrid battery, hence the ability to deliver very cool air at an idle. It is a completely sealed system, so "yay" no shaft seal to leak refrigerant. Source: am a HVAC tech who drives a '07 Camry hybrid.
You know what Ray? I actually want to become a professional mechanic but seeing the filth you have to go through just in the interiors of cars such as this one makes me second guess it lol
I had some trouble with rodents in the engine compartment. No damage but could see evidence. I used peppermint oil, not directly on the car but sprayed it around the car where I parked it every night. Worked for me.
Ray I know that car had to bother you with the filth, wetness, and ants but you turned it into a positive and joked about it. Thank you for your great attitude and great videos you put out.
Cabin moisture is the kiss of death for hybrid vehicles with all the sophisticated electronics inside. And that water will find its way to the big battery eventually.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, and I've not read all the comments, but with Toyota's, the 12 V battery only powers up the modules and electronics and the hybrid system actually starts the engine.
ray its awesome watching you go thru the same everyday wtfs. watching you right now is keeping me from doing my 06 f150 rear brakes...i noticed the rotors are ground half way thru...hurry up and post another video so i dont have to get rust in my eye!
Ya got me to watch 20 minutes of battery swap with the title “eaten by critters” lol, I was waiting for the trouble codes-are-a-squirrel-violated wiring harness part. Nope, “critters” refers to the ants lol Fun video as always
Had to go out for a service call to one of the local market garden farms. Fantastic customers, always ended up getting paid for the job and got bonus vegetables. The owner came in and asked me to come out to the farm as he could not get a tractor going. In his words "Lats eat lyling". I went out to find ,a bunch of rats had a feast on the wiring harness. As an ex auto electrician, nothing is beyond the realms of imagination.
Cup & Cone; I would say no problem Sir, we can detail it for you , no charge. ...Not telling them that my cleaning solution consist of sugar water and peanut butter.
Years ago my wife and I were at a Saturn dealership and the salesman was showing us a Ion and how it was so advanced because it had the battery in the trunk. Yeah. We bought a toyota. And it was one of the smartest decisions I ever made.
Those are deep cycle batteries, they don't provide starting current, but they do keep everything in the car alive when it's being propelled by the hybrid battery. You need to replace it with the OEM battery or it will cause problems. My wife had one of these for years, I think I replaced that battery around the 8-9 year mark. They hybrid battery was still good after 13 years when we finally replaced the car.
Ok that was kinda creepy, this morning I was listening to the radio, and they were talking about Toyota's new electric SUV and how there was a recall on them because they had a problem with the wheels falling off, I started thinking about how today's technician not only has to have mechanical knowledge, but they also need knowledge in the hybrid components and electrical parts that go beyond the normal systems, so I found it funny that today's episode was about a working on a hybrid.
Amazing how much a decent battery fixes. My S Class has two batteries. Replaced and all 38 codes went away. All low voltage. Scary though when these dash lights come on.
The 12V battery in Toyota hybrids only power the electronics and accessories to get the car into "Ready" mode. After that, the High Voltage battery is used with the electric motors to spin the engine to start it when required. As such, the batteries don't have a CCA rating and instead have a Amp-hour rating. Basically it's there to boot up the car and once it's booted up the inverter takes over and provides power to the car when it's in the "Ready" state. That being said, the battery was bad since it looks like it has a bad cell and low voltage after charging. Any drop below 10V will cause issues with booting up.
We have routine issues with people's exteriors being full of earwigs. They climb up into the splashguards and live in their creepy clumps together until you go for an oil change. I've watched a literal wave of them dump out of the drain plug access port before. Thankfully it wasn't my car to work on. lol
Also, that fault in stroke sensor means they have to buy an entire sealed brake unit. They're like six grand, because of the way they are made, cannot repair that fault without replacing the entire brake control unit. Ouch. Toyota may replace it, there is a recall and atsb on that vehicle regarding the brake control unit.
My daughters VW convertible Beetle had a roach (the big Florida kind) infestation due to the rear window coming unglued from the convertible top. Her parking spot was under a big tree and she had crumbs in the car. We used roach bait stations to eventually get rid of them but I still get skeeved out anytime I work on something inside that car especially at night.
As soon as Ray opened the door I was thinking "gross". Then I saw the ants. Just disgusting how people live. Also, when you took the battery out I noticed a lot of water in the well below.
I can't believe the state that some people keeps their cars in, even worst that you had to work in those conditions. I congratulate you sir on work well done.
Ahhhh, reminds me of the days of being an auto detailer for a collision shop. Many times these ant infested trash pits came in the shop. I would clean them out as soon as they hit the lot to keep the ants out of the shop as much as possible. Usually the smell that came with the ants was pretty foul.. lol
@@conanharris3472 if it's a bag maybe two I could understand it, I've seen cars come in with soda stains and what has to be 3 weeks worth of food bags and even one with a dead pizza ( no mold because it got so hot in the car everything dehydrated). I would probably tell the people to grab a trash can and clean it out but that doesn't help the sticky stains everywhere, the surprises in and under the seats and cubby holes and the smell.
@@TheWabbit Once went to a dealer to look over a used, high-end SUV that was the right brand, marque, model for me. Shame that the previous owner had clearly been a total slattern. There was food detritus, all over the passenger compartment, including obvious milk and chocolate stains on the seats, door inners even the headlining, half-full fast-food packaging under the seats and jammed into all the door pockets. Quite how the dealer thought I was going to buy that even after a detailing is beyond me, so I guess that was a f-up on their part. But I would hate to see the state of the previous owner's home. But then I have had to visit homes during the course of a previous job where I literally struggled not to throw up. Some people live like complete animals - no self-respect, no sense of dignity, too lazy to look after themselves, and seemingly content to wallow in their own mess.
@@DraftySatyr my wife got in a wreck with her 11 year old car, I figured it was worth about $10,000 and would be happy to get $9,000 after a $500 deductible. They gave us $12,000 for it, said they had seen cars less than a year old in worse shape and the only problem was a coffee stain on the front passenger seat. I said yeah look at date/time on the empty cup ( which was laying on the floorboard ) it was 10 minutes before the car t-bone our car! I don't know how people can keep a car much less their home in that condition.
Dude overkill much it was one cup and some ants I've never had bugs but my car was way worse a week ago I live at work most of the time and don't get to visit my garbage dump some months and clean out whatever papers or boxes I've thrown around.
The reason there are two batteries is that the gigantic main battery pack has to be charged with very great care - requiring use of a computer. So if you didn't have the 12v - and the main battery went dead, you couldn't get power to the computer to recharge it - and you couldn't start the gas engine to get it going either . But having a 12v to power the computer means that you can easily stick some jump leads on there - or a battery charger or even just change the battery to get the computer powered up and THEN the main battery pack can get going. I'm pretty sure that all hybrids and all electric cars are like this. My Tesla has a really boring 12v battery for exactly the same reason.
@@douglasbroussard9025 Thanks! I write a lot of answers on Quora - getting something like a million views a week. So I tend to pick up on these deeper answers.
years ago I had a customer come in to the Firestone I was working at for a safety check. they had 90 psi in all 4 tires! reset them to 35. they came back the next day screaming that I'd sabotaged their car and were calling the police! the manager showed them the manufacturers recommended tire pressures but they adamant that the max pressures shown on the sidewall was the correct pressures. we won. they left in a huff screaming " I'LL NEVER COME BACK HERE AGAIN!"
Ray , the 12 volt battery on a Toyota hybrid does not start the engine. It has no starter either . The motor /generator in the hybrid system starts the engine. Also on a Toyota Hybrid the engine does not start always when cold. As soon as the green "ready" light comes on , you just drive away . The 12 volt only runs the accessories and lights
Thanks Ray enjoyed seeing this one despite the ant invasion. I was hoping too see Antman appear on the console so was sad when he didn't, and even worse on brake cleaner used sob sob Keep Safe Keep Strong 🦘🦘🦘🦘🐜🐜🐜🐜
When dealing with hybrids foot on brake turn the key or push the button for run then look on the dash for READY if the engine doesn't start right away.
Sorry you cut the video off. Another minute and the ants would be carrying you around the car in a victory lap tossing you up the in air and cheering! That would have been fun to see! ;-) Thanks for the great work!
That little battery is not a starting battery. It's just for the lights, ventilation, turnsignals. The engine is started by a electric engine in the powertrain, when necessary
I am surprised you didn't decline to work on the vehicle while it was infected with ants. Apart from that the replacement battery I would imagine the correct one was two or three times the cost of the aftermarket item.
That surprises me too. I've seen other channels were they will work on a car no matter how bad the interior. I've seen ants, roaches, fleas, moldy food, etc. I don't think I could from a health and safety aspect. Ray - what is your shop's limit if any, and what is your limit?
I had to buy that same battery for a customer last year. The cost to me was about $300. The terminals are 3/8 and 7/16 diameter and the battery must be vented with the hose to the outside. I was not able to source it anywhere but Toyota,
That hybrid battery for a Toyota is 800,-us$ here in Denmark and plus 1/2 hour install charge wich is 75,-us$. Clearing the codes will cost you 40,-us$ on top of that. And thats why i drive a Mitsubishi Space Star (Mirage) It is a 1.2 manual shift and it is from 2014 and i drive around 30000-35000 km (18500-21700 us miles) a year and i now have close to 160000 miles on the clock and besides normal wear, the only thing that ever broke was a tire sensor. Toyota and Honda used to be the best Japanese cars but that was 20 years ago. The best ones now is Suzuki and Mitsubishi.
wow...900US for a battery. But 40US to clear codes seems pretty light...it's generally around $90-100 where I live. Is that simple clear codes, just turn the light off with no analysis? That 90 dollar charge also gets some analysis; maybe not as thorough as Ray does but you get an idea of what possible problems lurk behind them.
I'm sure a "specialty battery" isn't even available aftermarket, and I think all of you would be surprised to know that a standard 12-volt battery for your car is cheaper at the dealer than at Autozone, Oreily's, Napa, Advanced Auto, or any other car parts store. Needed a battery for my Mustang, it was $160-$185 aftermarket... $120 at the Ford dealership. I will never buy another battery from any aftermarket parts store, they just don't last and are more expensive (one exception and this is off the wall: Homedepot if they carry your battery it's the cheapest you will find) This is for Erie PA, you location may have different results.
Thing about some hybrids -- Hondas anyway -- is that the 12 volt battery only runs the electronics and, in an emergency, starts the engine. Otherwise the high voltage does the starting itself.
I'll bet that battery was cheap. Nice to see how a hybrid can provide an environment for creatures while at the same time saving the outdoor environment. And there's a lot of trash in that car instead of a landfill somewhere. Looks like a win-win to me!
@@scott_meyer I just had a 12V battery replaced on my 2017 Highlander Hybrid. Parts + Labor = $367. It's nearly impossible to get a 12V Hybrid battery from anywhere other than a dealer, so I just let them install it. Access to the battery in the trunk is actually pretty easy, so if you can find one with the vent and temp sensor, you could probably save about $50 by doing it yourself.
Just took my car in to the shop and can't imagine leaving it filthy like that. Might have a bit of trash in the cup holder. But it's not filthy disgusting trash that attracts bugs. I've had ants try to get into my car once because of a parking spot that had them. But I nuked them because I don't ever want to have stuff like that hanging around in my car.
I have like three of those small chargers for emergency use. The most I ever got out of one was a one time start. The rest, despite fully charging them, wouldn't even start a car. Beside those small ones, I've had the bigger battery packs, some with air compressor and similar issues. I don't have much faith in them now. I also have issues with the small stand alone portable air compressors. They barely handle putting air and the last one I had, slime brand, it's gauge runs about 12 psi hirer than it is. I've been running my tires about 10 psi lower than they should be.
pushing the START button in a hybrid without pressing the brake pedal puts the car in 'accessory' mode which means the electronics are working, but the car is not ready to drive. Thus you will not see the word 'READY' on your dashboard. Pressing the brake pedal then pushing the start button will put the car in fully active drive mode and the word 'READY' will display on the dash. However, there is no engine revving up as you push the start button because Hybrids start driving on battery power and the engine only turns on when the demand for power is greater than what the drive battery can supply, or if the battery runs low and needs to be recharged.
Ya know, in my part of the Country (Utah) we have little ants like those, that choose to make their nests in the garden. They are a little nasty, cause they bite. It’s nothing serious, but amazingly annoying. If said ants were in that car, I would refuse to work on it.
I also live in Utah and can confirm if they were the same as the ants we have here that look like that and bite, I definitely wouldn't be working on it either, at least until they cleaned it out.
I remember going to a farm of some relative of a friend of mine where this kickass Unimog sat, we were all like "hell yeah we're starting it, it's gonna be awesome" half and hour after breakfast, up we climb into the majestic beast and inside of it there was the biggest freaking hornet nest we've ever saw, with all of its owners flying inside the damn truck. Then we went fishing. It was nice.
It's hard to believe someone chooses to create insect infested filth like the inside of that car. Some people make swine look clean and dapper by comparison.
looks like the drainage channels were clogged with tree shits, causing the water issues...that with the delicious sugary panera snack near by is prime grounds for ant colonization. Knowing Florida, im about 90% sure they have an oak tree they park under and the car sat for a long time unused. judging by the cane its an elderly lady that cant drive anymore and they are transferring or selling the vehicle.......i wouldnt say it was filthy, just unfortunate series of events and easily fixed.
That car's not 'horrible', though it is bad. Judging from the flat battery and extremely low tires that car was left sitting under a tree for *_months_* allowing ants to move in because there were food items decaying within turning the entire car into a nice, sweet smelling attractant.
That really saddens me to see how people mistreat their vehicles. That waterlogged nest of ants should be stripped of it's upholstery, cleaned thoroughly and dried properly. It's a goddamn health hazard.
I've got the same little socket set for doing dash actuators in Nissan trucks. I saved a little money by not getting the handle. I just use a 7/16's ratcheting wrench. The car is on when the, "Ready" light is illuminated. I'm guessing this car gets zero maintenance. Either that or whoever's doing the oil changes isn't checking the tire pressures.
All vehicles...ICE, hybrid, or EV, have a 12V battery. It's necessary for safety reasons to be able to disconnect the high voltage battery when it's not in use. And you need a power source to reconnect it. The 12V battery doesn't have to be lead acid, LFP 12V batteries are common these days, but it has to be there. This one looks like an AGM battery.
The auxiliary battery just powers the general and control systems. Starting in hybrid Toyotas is from the main power battery via the secondary motor-generator and the epicyclic gear. There is no separate starter motor. The "motor" of the motor-generator does that job. No aux power equals no control system, which does make life a bit tedious.
Hybrids (and EVs) have a 12V battery for safety. When the car is shut off, the high voltage contactors are kept open to disable the high voltage battery. Some, if not most, hybrids and EVs will periodically turn on the HV battery to keep the 12V topped up. That's how it works on my Tesla. I think my old Prius was the opposite where the HV battery was always disconnected when the car was off. With the always-on functionality enabled on my Tesla, it does go through 12-volt batteries fairly quickly compared to my experience with other cars. I typically ge no more than 4 years out of a battery on my Model S. I have since replaced it with an after-market LiPo battery which should last much longer and in the new cars Tesla has replaced the 12V battery with a small LiPo battery. On my old Ford Probe the battery lasted at least 10 years, though I also ran a desulfate mode on it monthly with my battery charger. The battery never got weak, it just suddenly died completely (0V).
Hybrids are an entirely different breed of vehicle. There is almost never CCA on the battery because the battery doesn't do any cranking. instead, the 12v just needs enough juice to engage the relay to the larger battery pack and the electric motor uses that to spin the engine to start it. I think, in my 2010 Prius, the battery was something like, 440 CCA? No alternator in these either, it uses a DC/DC converter to pull power from the main pack to charge the little battery. The reason for the two battery system is to protect the larger, more expensive and harder to charge (due to high voltage) battery from draining all the way. So the relay disconnects the main battery so it can't be drained and relies on the much easier to charge or replace 12v to connect it to the system. In a lot of ways, it's nice, there are less mechanical parts to go wrong. No starter, no alternator and the things that replaced them are a bit more robust and long lasting, so shouldn't ever need to be replaced outside of either a defect or a very long usage time. Downside, if they do go bad, they're not cheap or easy to replace. Personally, I drove my 2010 Prius up to 242,000 miles before I gave it to my sister and all I ever had to replace were wheel hubs, 12v once, brakes twice (last a long time if you use mostly regen braking) and a PCV valve. I have a 2016 at 140,000 miles, only thing I've replaced on that is 1 wheel hub and a half-shaft. I had a shop check the brakes on it during my last maintenance and they said the pads looked almost new. They were shocked when I told them they were original XD.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people keep their cars. Can only imagine what this customers house looks like.
The ants and cockroaches concur.
They live in rubbish skip I think .
People are PIGS. it is amazing how people live.
Same, just awful watching it
I’m almost certain it’s a woman’s car.
Just so you know, the 12 volt battery isn't for cranking the motor, the motor is actually started from one of the motor generators off of the high voltage traction battery. The 12 volt battery literally runs the car's computers and accessories. The biggest reason why it won't turn on when the 12 volt battery dies, is because the cars ECU doesn't turn on. If you were to cheat and only provide 12 volt power to the ecu, the rest of the car would turn on normally after the inverter has turned on because the inverter does charge the 12 volt system.
The original battery temperature sensor can be removed by pealing back the top sticker and popping the thermistor from its groove from behind what looks like a scant droplet of hot glue. I spent a long time trying to find the sensor itself before I realized how easy it was to remove. If you damage the actual sensing element, or need to solder a homemade replacement because you got another battery without the sensor, the thermistor itself can be replaced with the compatible Semitec 2kohm NTC Thermistor, (part number: 202AT-2). Due to this, I have been running with a UPS battery for a year now...
Brand : Semitec
part number: 202AT-2
Resistance: 2kohm
Type: NTC Thermistor
Series: AT
B Parameter: 3182 K
Resistance: 2 kOhms
Power Rating: 10 mW
Tolerance: 1 %
Little edit: Not just on Hybrids but also on full EVs. I've never seen one but probably Chevy Bolt, VW ID.3 and ID.4 and so on.
Some of the 12v mechanical can load down the 12v too much before the HV battery can be engaged. That's what happened to me with my 2016 Prius. The ABS accumulator would kick on. As far as CCA, don't need much. Consider the ABS your "crank" load.
If I remember correctly, when the car is off, the "main" battery is completely disconnected. It is only connected via a relay powered by the 12v battery, therefore, the car doesn't have access to any electrons without the 12v.
This was an $800 battery installed at the dealer for my father in law !!!
It’s always a boost to my confidence in the auto technician when he says, “Whatever that light is!”
One of the things I love about you is that you don't go off on people's cars. Like, you never call them a piece of garbage or shame the owners in any way for how they have treated them. You are a professional and are just there for the repairs. I, on the other hand, am a detailer. I'm all about shaming the owners of the cars. lol
Hybrid cars don't use the 12volt battery to crank the engine.... ! It just needs to operate the solenoids to turn on the high voltage traction battery, and also run lights and instruments etc.
It doesent even have a starter! the generator attached to the engine is also the starter.
That negative cable did look kinda wimpy to actually be starting the vehicle!
No, the 12v starts the internal combustion engine. Only activated when called for by the computer, but still needed to engage the IC when called for.
@@jamesc9327 Hybrids and EVs confuse a lot of 'old-school' mechanics. It was obvious he didn't really know what he was doing when he first tried to start the car although, to be fair, he said as much himself.
1 of my friends works at a Ford dealership near me, if he gets a crusty vehicle he will flat out refuse to even get in it. I can't say I blame him. These mechanics are constantly getting knocks & knicks on their hands; these disgusting, contaminated, infested vehicles can easily expose them to all types of diseases or illnesses. They should charge hazard pay to the customer when working on these vehicles if they choose to actually work on them.
Yup. That is how you get deadly infections such as Necrotizing Fasciitis (AKA Flesh-Eating Bacteria)!
I agree. Ray should wear gloves when working on a car like that. A hazmat suit would have been better. When I take my car to my mechanic I always try to wash it first. If I don't have the time to wash it, I apologize to the mechanic. As far as the interior goes, I always keep it clean.
Absolutely. I used to volunteer for animal rescue and when our van needed serviced, I made sure the entire vehicle was totally cleaned & disinfectant inside and out before going for any service. People are disgusting when they don't care.
A hazard is a hazard. Getting extra pay doesnt remove the hazard. Unless the hazard can be eliminated money doesnt make it go away
Very True. You have to tell the Customer the truth about their Vehicle. I'm not working on a infested vehicle.
I have owned a Fusion Hybrid since 2013. My first experience with the 12-volt battery was a cold January. The thing was so dead that it wouldn't light the dash. With this car I had to crawl through the back seat and pull the emergency trunk release. Only one battery will fit, and I had to remove part on the trunk liner as the hole is too small for the battery. It was a Royal PITA. Good thing about my car, no ants or crap in the trunk.
Yeah, I have one of those too. You can't let em sit for weeks without driving. Battery will die.
210k miles on my 2013 FFH SE and ac blows so cold, suspension is still good, brakes still good. Airbag light came on randomly though. Front passenger seat probably has a faulty sensor. They're good cars! Just picked up a 2013 ford cmax and it's a lot more performance than the fusion. Worse gas mileage. With spirited driving in Texas with 100 degrees and highway driving I have averaged 41mpgs in the fusion. Can't beat that!
Gotta put hybrids in "maintenance mode" so that the ICE starts immediately and runs until you turn it off. You can even Rev the engine unlike when you're not in maintenance mode.
That's what I was thinking of, is it hold the start button for many seconds in Toyotas?
As I recall, the stoke sensor deals with the brakes. When you apply the brakes, the hybrid system wants use regenerative braking, I.e., using the electric motors to slow the vehicle converting what would be brake heat energy into electricity. If you push hard on the brake pedal, the stroke sensor allows the hydraulic brakes to slow you. If you ever get some air in the brake hydraulic system and get a spongy pedal, it really shows up. As you are coming to a stop and reach about 5-mph (Canadians, do the math to k/ph ;-) ) the re-gen stops and the pedal falls from under your foot because of the air in the system. Major pucker factor as you are approaching the car in front of you ! The battery you replaced is likely an AGM battery as to not fill the trunk with hydrogen gas, although that might help with the ant problem.
The hydrogen won't affect the ants in the least - it can't get concentrated enough to be an issue with their respiration due to the fact the trunk is not sealing well at all (hence the wet and ants). The owner, however, might note the stench of hydrogen sulfide from a standard L/A battery crammed in the trunk unable to vent. Hydrogen Sulfide stinks to high heaven long, long before it's a fire risk.
That's a lead acid battery, just vented to the outside through a tube. Kind of lame because you can't just get one anywhere when you're stranded.
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I love the way you said that stroke and then that little chuckle that was hilarious made my day brought me back to my high school days!
Working with one hand always amazes me on every episode. Love your channel and enjoy your attitude.
Before even opening comments, I knew from the state of the vehicle that I'd see at least one comment start with, "It never ceases to amaze me..."
Look for the “Ready” light on hybrids to know if it’s started.
196th! GOOD MORNING RAY! BOY HOWDY! YIPPEE! Roger in Pierre South Dakota
Hey, Ray anytime you get a hybrid, look for the ready light on the dash it means it's running off the battery pack.
Yup. And you should be able to get the engine running by cranking the A/C to “LOW”
Good luck finding that battery in the near future !
"not sponsored by the ants" is exactly what someone taking secret money from Big-Ant would say to throw us off your trail. We are on to you Mr. Ant Apologist....
🐜 Ant you clever 🐜
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@Eric Lampinen y'all are making my shitty morning bright 🌞. Keep the puns coming!
Antropologist...
The original battery temperature sensor can be removed by pealing back the top sticker and popping the thermistor from its groove from behind what looks like a scant droplet of hot glue. I spent a long time trying to find the sensor itself before I realized how easy it was to remove. If you damage the actual sensing element, or need to solder a homemade replacement because you got another battery without the sensor, the thermistor itself can be replaced with the compatible Semitec 2kohm NTC Thermistor, (part number: 202AT-2). Due to this, I have been running with a UPS battery for a year now...
Brand : Semitec
part number: 202AT-2
Resistance: 2kohm
Type: NTC Thermistor
Series: AT
B Parameter: 3182 K
Resistance: 2 kOhms
Power Rating: 10 mW
Tolerance: 1 %
The battery in the Toyota Camry Hybrids are an AGM deep cycle battery - and not a standard flooded lead acid one. They last super long for what they do - as they're more there to power the aux systems and other stuff. They're charged directly from the traction battery via a DC to DC convertor. They're not meant to throw out a ton of amps, as the highest drain parts hooked up to them are probably either the headlights or stereo.
@@jamesc9327 he really shouldn’t work any HEV or BEV if he’s not knowledgeable enough with what he’s doing. There are a lot of electronics involve with both types.
Lmfao at the end "Oh no they have infected me" Everyone Run Ray is about to Become a Zombie lmfao 🤣 @Rainman Ray's Repairs
LOL. Ray is now "Ant Man"!
He's in Florida he's definitely vaxxed against zombism
SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON PHAGS
@@sydecarnutz972 lmfao Ant-Man
12v battery is for everything 12v.
The HV battery starts the engine and runs the electric traction motor.
The one thing I found peculiar, is that any vehicle I've worked on with a remote mounted battery, has jumper points near the engine, to connect jump start leads to.
RainMan is a real professional. Just like a doctor working in an ER, performing any procedure necessary to save a patience. Sometimes even cleaning out the patient's rectum if needed.
You must be a proctologist
I will have to show this video to my daughter. Her car is just like that. She is just lucky no ants (yet). On a side note, copiers are sometimes the grossest things to service. Winter time you can look at one and see perfectly where someone had just sneezed on it. I once had one in a cafeteria, trash can right beside the machine. The company id10Ts were using the copier as a backboard for the trashcan. I called the manager out to it. Showed him the pop/food/yuck stains on the copier. Told him this is your one and only warning, if I ever see that again, you will be billed for my cleaning time contract or not.
Ray, the high-voltage battery is the "cranking battery". The 12-volt battery in the trunk is only to power up the computers and the relays to activate the high-voltage system.
Since it's a hybrid the engine doesn't run continuously so to show that it's ready to drive it says ready on the instrument cluster. The 12v battery is just for the computers, lights and fans. The starting is done by the hybrid battery, it has a big motor between the engine and transmission that takes the place of the torque converter. It's responsible for charging the hybrid battery and starting the engine. I love the videos.
I thought on Toyotas, they use a wankle engine that is tied directly to a generator. All the propulsion is electric. The engine has its own 12v battery, alternator and is electricity isolated from the 200v electric drive system. It makes it easy to use 12v from the standard parts bin that they build the standard gas version with. That was my understanding and I am not sure if this is how they are still built.
@@MrKornnugget Nope. Toyota hybrids drive the front axle with a combination of the Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) and Motor Generator (MG). They also drive the rear axle with another MG in the AWD(i) models. There is no drive shaft connecting the ICE with the rear axle, so that leads to more legroom in the rear seating area. There is also no starter in their hybrids, as a MG spins up the ICE whenever it needs to start. The whole system is pretty fascinating as sometimes the MGs drive the axle, sometimes they are used to start the ICE, and sometimes they charge the batteries via regenerative braking. The Weber Auto UA-cam channel has some really enjoyable videos that explain the system fully.
@@MrKornnugget Toyota use the same engine in their non hybrids except they’re Atkinson cycle instead of the normal Otto cycle. This Camry has the same 2.4 4 cylinder all Camrys had during this time. The 12 V battery is for the normal low voltage accessories all vehicles have like have. The Hybrid high voltage battery is for propulsion.
That's what I was thinking that 12v was for all the smaller components like lights and other things that don't require high voltage
I'm pretty sure the reason they don't use one battery is to avoid electrocution/fire hazards in case of malfunction.
The propulsion battery has to operate at higher voltages than the rest of the system. Transformers would also be a possibility, but could still malfunction, and are less efficient.
The 12v battery is used to close the contacts for the propulsion battery when needed. This way it can be "shut off" when being worked on or is in an accident, this preventing shocks and fires.
I'm no car expert though, but like to listen to them :)
The A/C compressor in that Camry hybrid is electrically powered by the hybrid battery, hence the ability to deliver very cool air at an idle. It is a completely sealed system, so "yay" no shaft seal to leak refrigerant. Source: am a HVAC tech who drives a '07 Camry hybrid.
You know what Ray? I actually want to become a professional mechanic but seeing the filth you have to go through just in the interiors of cars such as this one makes me second guess it lol
I had some trouble with rodents in the engine compartment. No damage but could see evidence. I used peppermint oil, not directly on the car but sprayed it around the car where I parked it every night. Worked for me.
Ray I know that car had to bother you with the filth, wetness, and ants but you turned it into a positive and joked about it. Thank you for your great attitude and great videos you put out.
Yep. There are so many people here saying "I would never get in that car!" but Ray just knuckles down and gets the job done with a sense of humour.
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Cabin moisture is the kiss of death for hybrid vehicles with all the sophisticated electronics inside. And that water will find its way to the big battery eventually.
Good morning Ray. Just suffered from alarm clock gravity. Actually, I didn't suffer, the alarm clock did.
Did you smashed it?
@@thomas7770 No, blindly reached for it to shut it off and knocked it to the floor. I don't think it's going to survive.
Rip alarm clock.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, and I've not read all the comments, but with Toyota's, the 12 V battery only powers up the modules and electronics and the hybrid system actually starts the engine.
ray its awesome watching you go thru the same everyday wtfs. watching you right now is keeping me from doing my 06 f150 rear brakes...i noticed the rotors are ground half way thru...hurry up and post another video so i dont have to get rust in my eye!
At least they're not rear drums those springs will do more than put dust in your eye you better duck bye
Ya got me to watch 20 minutes of battery swap with the title “eaten by critters” lol, I was waiting for the trouble codes-are-a-squirrel-violated wiring harness part. Nope, “critters” refers to the ants lol
Fun video as always
Watching at 6 am, now I keep on scratching everywhere. The ants in the car... How do they put up with that?!?
Plot twist, the ants crawled out of the drivers shirt sleeves.
Ants are resourceful. Give them an hour and they can move the whole colony to a new digs.
@@opendstudio7141 Give them a day and they could've changed the battery!
@@JacquesDagenais park your vehical over a giant bed of Fire Ants and nobody will steal your expensive catalytic converter either. 😉
@@opendstudio7141 Lol. Makes sense. However since I live up north, we don't have that kind of problem nor fire ants! But I love the idea.
Had to go out for a service call to one of the local market garden farms. Fantastic customers, always ended up getting paid for the job and got bonus vegetables. The owner came in and asked me to come out to the farm as he could not get a tractor going. In his words "Lats eat lyling". I went out to find ,a bunch of rats had a feast on the wiring harness. As an ex auto electrician, nothing is beyond the realms of imagination.
Customer: "It didn't have ants when I dropped it off! Now you gotta pay for a detail."
The customer's name is The Ant Hill Mob.
Cup & Cone; I would say no problem Sir, we can detail it for you , no charge. ...Not telling them that my cleaning solution consist of sugar water and peanut butter.
@@timglass6041 Nah, get a bug bomb and fire it off. Clean the floor with a rake and you is done.
Very funny lol
Years ago my wife and I were at a Saturn dealership and the salesman was showing us a Ion and how it was so advanced because it had the battery in the trunk. Yeah. We bought a toyota. And it was one of the smartest decisions I ever made.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that laughed at "stroke sensor"
Those are deep cycle batteries, they don't provide starting current, but they do keep everything in the car alive when it's being propelled by the hybrid battery. You need to replace it with the OEM battery or it will cause problems. My wife had one of these for years, I think I replaced that battery around the 8-9 year mark. They hybrid battery was still good after 13 years when we finally replaced the car.
Ok that was kinda creepy, this morning I was listening to the radio, and they were talking about Toyota's new electric SUV and how there was a recall on them because they had a problem with the wheels falling off, I started thinking about how today's technician not only has to have mechanical knowledge, but they also need knowledge in the hybrid components and electrical parts that go beyond the normal systems, so I found it funny that today's episode was about a working on a hybrid.
As well as volatages that will kill you ASAP.
Hats off to you sir. With the bugs and water in the trunk, I would have passed.
Amazing how much a decent battery fixes. My S Class has two batteries. Replaced and all 38 codes went away. All low voltage. Scary though when these dash lights come on.
The 12V battery in Toyota hybrids only power the electronics and accessories to get the car into "Ready" mode. After that, the High Voltage battery is used with the electric motors to spin the engine to start it when required. As such, the batteries don't have a CCA rating and instead have a Amp-hour rating. Basically it's there to boot up the car and once it's booted up the inverter takes over and provides power to the car when it's in the "Ready" state. That being said, the battery was bad since it looks like it has a bad cell and low voltage after charging. Any drop below 10V will cause issues with booting up.
Morning Ray - just in time for me to sit down & have an early lunch.
Yep
We have routine issues with people's exteriors being full of earwigs. They climb up into the splashguards and live in their creepy clumps together until you go for an oil change. I've watched a literal wave of them dump out of the drain plug access port before. Thankfully it wasn't my car to work on. lol
Also, that fault in stroke sensor means they have to buy an entire sealed brake unit. They're like six grand, because of the way they are made, cannot repair that fault without replacing the entire brake control unit. Ouch. Toyota may replace it, there is a recall and atsb on that vehicle regarding the brake control unit.
That would explain the touchy brakes.
My daughters VW convertible Beetle had a roach (the big Florida kind) infestation due to the rear window coming unglued from the convertible top. Her parking spot was under a big tree and she had crumbs in the car. We used roach bait stations to eventually get rid of them but I still get skeeved out anytime I work on something inside that car especially at night.
My legs were itching watching this video.
As soon as Ray opened the door I was thinking "gross". Then I saw the ants. Just disgusting how people live. Also, when you took the battery out I noticed a lot of water in the well below.
Seen worse imgaine a hoarder minivan
I can't believe the state that some people keeps their cars in, even worst that you had to work in those conditions. I congratulate you sir on work well done.
Ahhhh, reminds me of the days of being an auto detailer for a collision shop. Many times these ant infested trash pits came in the shop. I would clean them out as soon as they hit the lot to keep the ants out of the shop as much as possible. Usually the smell that came with the ants was pretty foul.. lol
Usually they have food in the car and they get in an accident. The car is in impound for days and the critters find the food. Also the food rots.
@@conanharris3472 if it's a bag maybe two I could understand it, I've seen cars come in with soda stains and what has to be 3 weeks worth of food bags and even one with a dead pizza ( no mold because it got so hot in the car everything dehydrated). I would probably tell the people to grab a trash can and clean it out but that doesn't help the sticky stains everywhere, the surprises in and under the seats and cubby holes and the smell.
@@TheWabbit Once went to a dealer to look over a used, high-end SUV that was the right brand, marque, model for me. Shame that the previous owner had clearly been a total slattern. There was food detritus, all over the passenger compartment, including obvious milk and chocolate stains on the seats, door inners even the headlining, half-full fast-food packaging under the seats and jammed into all the door pockets. Quite how the dealer thought I was going to buy that even after a detailing is beyond me, so I guess that was a f-up on their part. But I would hate to see the state of the previous owner's home.
But then I have had to visit homes during the course of a previous job where I literally struggled not to throw up. Some people live like complete animals - no self-respect, no sense of dignity, too lazy to look after themselves, and seemingly content to wallow in their own mess.
@@DraftySatyr my wife got in a wreck with her 11 year old car, I figured it was worth about $10,000 and would be happy to get $9,000 after a $500 deductible. They gave us $12,000 for it, said they had seen cars less than a year old in worse shape and the only problem was a coffee stain on the front passenger seat.
I said yeah look at date/time on the empty cup ( which was laying on the floorboard ) it was 10 minutes before the car t-bone our car! I don't know how people can keep a car much less their home in that condition.
Look at you gettin' all dextrous with the one-handed socket loading in the low profile ratchet!
You’re a braver man than me ray, I wouldn’t touch that thing wearing hazmat coveralls
No kidding...that creeped me out just watching.
Dude overkill much it was one cup and some ants I've never had bugs but my car was way worse a week ago I live at work most of the time and don't get to visit my garbage dump some months and clean out whatever papers or boxes I've thrown around.
you are a braver man than i ray, i will never work on cars with critters like bugs in it.
8:10 That’s the cutest little ratchet I’ve ever seen ❤️!
When you pulled the old battery out, you can see the water just sitting there. 9;46 ish you can see the reflection.
Got in a car once and cockroaches came from everywhere...hundreds! I jumped out real dang quick and refused that vehicle.
Never get in with roaches they will come home with you (eggs on shoes and clothes)
Wait, ants...in Florida? Say it isn't so!!!
That's one thing I do NOT miss about that state. Stay safe Brother
Gotta love toyota Stroke Sensors
Hehehe
The reason there are two batteries is that the gigantic main battery pack has to be charged with very great care - requiring use of a computer. So if you didn't have the 12v - and the main battery went dead, you couldn't get power to the computer to recharge it - and you couldn't start the gas engine to get it going either . But having a 12v to power the computer means that you can easily stick some jump leads on there - or a battery charger or even just change the battery to get the computer powered up and THEN the main battery pack can get going.
I'm pretty sure that all hybrids and all electric cars are like this. My Tesla has a really boring 12v battery for exactly the same reason.
The first intelligent answer in the entire thread.
@@douglasbroussard9025 Thanks! I write a lot of answers on Quora - getting something like a million views a week. So I tend to pick up on these deeper answers.
Now the tyres have pressure in them they will say you wrecked their suspension as the car rides hard and not soft like before.
years ago I had a customer come in to the Firestone I was working at for a safety check. they had 90 psi in all 4 tires! reset them to 35. they came back the next day screaming that I'd sabotaged their car and were calling the police! the manager showed them the manufacturers recommended tire pressures but they adamant that the max pressures shown on the sidewall was the correct pressures. we won. they left in a huff screaming " I'LL NEVER COME BACK HERE AGAIN!"
Ray , the 12 volt battery on a Toyota hybrid does not start the engine. It has no starter either . The motor /generator in the hybrid system starts the engine. Also on a Toyota Hybrid the engine does not start always when cold. As soon as the green "ready" light comes on , you just drive away . The 12 volt only runs the accessories and lights
Thanks Ray enjoyed seeing this one despite the ant invasion. I was hoping too see Antman appear on the console so was sad when he didn't, and even worse on brake cleaner used sob sob
Keep Safe Keep Strong 🦘🦘🦘🦘🐜🐜🐜🐜
BRAKE CLEANER!!! THAT's what was missing. Probably would have killed all them ants!
When dealing with hybrids foot on brake turn the key or push the button for run then look on the dash for READY if the engine doesn't start right away.
Sorry you cut the video off. Another minute and the ants would be carrying you around the car in a victory lap tossing you up the in air and cheering! That would have been fun to see! ;-) Thanks for the great work!
That little battery is not a starting battery. It's just for the lights, ventilation, turnsignals. The engine is started by a electric engine in the powertrain, when necessary
I am surprised you didn't decline to work on the vehicle while it was infected with ants. Apart from that the replacement battery I would imagine the correct one was two or three times the cost of the aftermarket item.
That surprises me too. I've seen other channels were they will work on a car no matter how bad the interior. I've seen ants, roaches, fleas, moldy food, etc. I don't think I could from a health and safety aspect. Ray - what is your shop's limit if any, and what is your limit?
I had to buy that same battery for a customer last year. The cost to me was about $300. The terminals are 3/8 and 7/16 diameter and the battery must be vented with the hose to the outside. I was not able to source it anywhere but Toyota,
That hybrid battery for a Toyota is 800,-us$ here in Denmark and plus 1/2 hour install charge wich is 75,-us$. Clearing the codes will cost you 40,-us$ on top of that. And thats why i drive a Mitsubishi Space Star (Mirage) It is a 1.2 manual shift and it is from 2014 and i drive around 30000-35000 km (18500-21700 us miles) a year and i now have close to 160000 miles on the clock and besides normal wear, the only thing that ever broke was a tire sensor. Toyota and Honda used to be the best Japanese cars but that was 20 years ago. The best ones now is Suzuki and Mitsubishi.
wow...900US for a battery. But 40US to clear codes seems pretty light...it's generally around $90-100 where I live. Is that simple clear codes, just turn the light off with no analysis? That 90 dollar charge also gets some analysis; maybe not as thorough as Ray does but you get an idea of what possible problems lurk behind them.
I'm sure a "specialty battery" isn't even available aftermarket, and I think all of you would be surprised to know that a standard 12-volt battery for your car is cheaper at the dealer than at Autozone, Oreily's, Napa, Advanced Auto, or any other car parts store. Needed a battery for my Mustang, it was $160-$185 aftermarket... $120 at the Ford dealership. I will never buy another battery from any aftermarket parts store, they just don't last and are more expensive (one exception and this is off the wall: Homedepot if they carry your battery it's the cheapest you will find) This is for Erie PA, you location may have different results.
Caught Ray’s chuckle… stroke sensor
It's kinda fun watching you do things using one hand.
Most guys have perfected 1 handed techniques...
Thing about some hybrids -- Hondas anyway -- is that the 12 volt battery only runs the electronics and, in an emergency, starts the engine. Otherwise the high voltage does the starting itself.
I'll bet that battery was cheap. Nice to see how a hybrid can provide an environment for creatures while at the same time saving the outdoor environment. And there's a lot of trash in that car instead of a landfill somewhere. Looks like a win-win to me!
A battery for a Prius without the sensor is $200. So I'd guess that one was $250, possibly more.
@@scott_meyer I just had a 12V battery replaced on my 2017 Highlander Hybrid. Parts + Labor = $367. It's nearly impossible to get a 12V Hybrid battery from anywhere other than a dealer, so I just let them install it. Access to the battery in the trunk is actually pretty easy, so if you can find one with the vent and temp sensor, you could probably save about $50 by doing it yourself.
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My local Auto Zone had one. Dealer was $5 cheaper, but it wasn't worth the 30 mile round trip to save $5.
The big battery is the starter battery, but you need 12V to energize the CPU/ECU, so that the car can tell the big battery to start the car
Amazing how people can keep their car in such condition, imagine what their home must be like. Gross!
I'm a box hoarder, I want that box with the rope handles. (I eventually use all the boxes I hoard. I just can not get rid of a good box)
Just took my car in to the shop and can't imagine leaving it filthy like that. Might have a bit of trash in the cup holder. But it's not filthy disgusting trash that attracts bugs.
I've had ants try to get into my car once because of a parking spot that had them. But I nuked them because I don't ever want to have stuff like that hanging around in my car.
I have like three of those small chargers for emergency use. The most I ever got out of one was a one time start. The rest, despite fully charging them, wouldn't even start a car.
Beside those small ones, I've had the bigger battery packs, some with air compressor and similar issues. I don't have much faith in them now. I also have issues with the small stand alone portable air compressors. They barely handle putting air and the last one I had, slime brand, it's gauge runs about 12 psi hirer than it is. I've been running my tires about 10 psi lower than they should be.
Noticed the temp gauge in the vent earlier and then disappeared later, was that left by a tech last time
pushing the START button in a hybrid without pressing the brake pedal puts the car in 'accessory' mode which means the electronics are working, but the car is not ready to drive. Thus you will not see the word 'READY' on your dashboard. Pressing the brake pedal then pushing the start button will put the car in fully active drive mode and the word 'READY' will display on the dash. However, there is no engine revving up as you push the start button because Hybrids start driving on battery power and the engine only turns on when the demand for power is greater than what the drive battery can supply, or if the battery runs low and needs to be recharged.
Yas! another RRR video to start my day. Aaaah...
Woohoo!
Hey Ray !! I have those same socks !! @20:12 - Costco to the rescue !!
Ya know, in my part of the Country (Utah) we have little ants like those, that choose to make their nests in the garden. They are a little nasty, cause they bite. It’s nothing serious, but amazingly annoying. If said ants were in that car, I would refuse to work on it.
I also live in Utah and can confirm if they were the same as the ants we have here that look like that and bite, I definitely wouldn't be working on it either, at least until they cleaned it out.
I remember going to a farm of some relative of a friend of mine where this kickass Unimog sat, we were all like "hell yeah we're starting it, it's gonna be awesome" half and hour after breakfast, up we climb into the majestic beast and inside of it there was the biggest freaking hornet nest we've ever saw, with all of its owners flying inside the damn truck.
Then we went fishing. It was nice.
The hybrid battery is the starting battery, the battery in the trunk is for accessories.
The car reminded me of my first car in the color of. My 1st cat was a 1998 Ford Contour SE in the same color and even the same color interior.
Seeing those ants again isn’t near as bad as FEELING them! They can be itchy like nobody’s business!
Ermagherd 😵
Fitting tools into smaller holes is tight!
It's hard to believe someone chooses to create insect infested filth like the inside of that car. Some people make swine look clean and dapper by comparison.
looks like the drainage channels were clogged with tree shits, causing the water issues...that with the delicious sugary panera snack near by is prime grounds for ant colonization. Knowing Florida, im about 90% sure they have an oak tree they park under and the car sat for a long time unused. judging by the cane its an elderly lady that cant drive anymore and they are transferring or selling the vehicle.......i wouldnt say it was filthy, just unfortunate series of events and easily fixed.
Poppen ze hood and poppen ze trunk! What a treat!
Idk how people can keep their cars this dirty. Imagine their home or work place.
Right? its a car, about a closet's worth of space. How hard is it to throw out your trash?
That car's not 'horrible', though it is bad. Judging from the flat battery and extremely low tires that car was left sitting under a tree for *_months_* allowing ants to move in because there were food items decaying within turning the entire car into a nice, sweet smelling attractant.
Great Video... keep em coming..😀😀😀😀😀 all the way from 🇬🇧
That really saddens me to see how people mistreat their vehicles. That waterlogged nest of ants should be stripped of it's upholstery, cleaned thoroughly and dried properly. It's a goddamn health hazard.
I agree the filthy car should be removed from the owner.
I've got the same little socket set for doing dash actuators in Nissan trucks. I saved a little money by not getting the handle. I just use a 7/16's ratcheting wrench.
The car is on when the, "Ready" light is illuminated. I'm guessing this car gets zero maintenance. Either that or whoever's doing the oil changes isn't checking the tire pressures.
15:30 - Those Camrys don't usually stay started the first time after replacing the battery. They stay started the SECOND time. I've replaced a few.
I love the sound effects bzzzt bzzzt as the cables are connected to the battery. You do get some weird cars with even weirder issues
No ants were harmed in this video until the end lolol
Very entertaining Ray!!
I appreciate all the stealth humor
If Hoovie is the automotive Bob Hope
you are the automotive Dave Chappelle
All vehicles...ICE, hybrid, or EV, have a 12V battery. It's necessary for safety reasons to be able to disconnect the high voltage battery when it's not in use. And you need a power source to reconnect it. The 12V battery doesn't have to be lead acid, LFP 12V batteries are common these days, but it has to be there. This one looks like an AGM battery.
The auxiliary battery just powers the general and control systems. Starting in hybrid Toyotas is from the main power battery via the secondary motor-generator and the epicyclic gear. There is no separate starter motor. The "motor" of the motor-generator does that job. No aux power equals no control system, which does make life a bit tedious.
Hybrids (and EVs) have a 12V battery for safety. When the car is shut off, the high voltage contactors are kept open to disable the high voltage battery. Some, if not most, hybrids and EVs will periodically turn on the HV battery to keep the 12V topped up. That's how it works on my Tesla. I think my old Prius was the opposite where the HV battery was always disconnected when the car was off. With the always-on functionality enabled on my Tesla, it does go through 12-volt batteries fairly quickly compared to my experience with other cars. I typically ge no more than 4 years out of a battery on my Model S. I have since replaced it with an after-market LiPo battery which should last much longer and in the new cars Tesla has replaced the 12V battery with a small LiPo battery. On my old Ford Probe the battery lasted at least 10 years, though I also ran a desulfate mode on it monthly with my battery charger. The battery never got weak, it just suddenly died completely (0V).
Hybrids are an entirely different breed of vehicle. There is almost never CCA on the battery because the battery doesn't do any cranking. instead, the 12v just needs enough juice to engage the relay to the larger battery pack and the electric motor uses that to spin the engine to start it. I think, in my 2010 Prius, the battery was something like, 440 CCA?
No alternator in these either, it uses a DC/DC converter to pull power from the main pack to charge the little battery. The reason for the two battery system is to protect the larger, more expensive and harder to charge (due to high voltage) battery from draining all the way. So the relay disconnects the main battery so it can't be drained and relies on the much easier to charge or replace 12v to connect it to the system.
In a lot of ways, it's nice, there are less mechanical parts to go wrong. No starter, no alternator and the things that replaced them are a bit more robust and long lasting, so shouldn't ever need to be replaced outside of either a defect or a very long usage time. Downside, if they do go bad, they're not cheap or easy to replace. Personally, I drove my 2010 Prius up to 242,000 miles before I gave it to my sister and all I ever had to replace were wheel hubs, 12v once, brakes twice (last a long time if you use mostly regen braking) and a PCV valve. I have a 2016 at 140,000 miles, only thing I've replaced on that is 1 wheel hub and a half-shaft. I had a shop check the brakes on it during my last maintenance and they said the pads looked almost new. They were shocked when I told them they were original XD.