Halo Warships vs Star Wars! UNSC and Covenant Breakdown
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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I always thought that covenant ships slugging it out with Star Wars ships would look so cool. You should make more videos like this man!
Funny that you say that! I’ve been working on a two part Imperial vs Covenant vid lol
Weapons aside , the covenant have special niches that make there vessels a force to be reckon with.
The most prominent being able to make tactical jumps while in combat. Every single ship can preform a thrawn pincers and leave imidiately after.
Definitely, they are deadlier than most will realize
The Autumn Class would honestly be a decent counter to say the ISD or Venator class ships for the UNSC, it has Shielding as well.
I disagree, I think it would struggle. It has a shield-reinforced hull meaning its titanium armor slags off after taking plasma shots meaning it protects the internals of the vessel. But it isn’t anything like shields on a Covenant warship or Star Wars
@@StarWarsOddball no the autumn class was based on the pillar of autumn and it is a post war ship, the autumn class is shielded
As long as the UNSC as range they’ll will before the republic or empire can get to them but in a close range fight it’s a slaughter
Depends on the time frame. Post war the UNSC has shielding , pulse laser turrets, coilguns , railguns , guided nuclear missiles, etc.
And lets not forget that the Covenant forces can start shooting at out to 100,000km while an ISD which is the backbone of the Galactic Empire fleet can't properly engage with it's turbolaser batteries until it's at 1,200 km. Well within the range of any MAC gun, coilgun, railgun , autocannon , missile system in the UNSC's arsenal. If they got any closer the UNSC Marines might try to fit a giant bayonet to the barrel of the ships primary MAC. Hell 1,200 km is pretty much deploy boarding parties distance in Halo. And lets be honest there is no way in hell any crew of any ship in Star Wars is surviving a boarding party of Spartans , ODSTs and Marines.
6 Ships outside of Infinity that could Deal Concerning Damage.
Strident - Armed with Shields and Heavy MACs
Anlance - Armed with Shields, Directed Energy Weapons and a Powerful Electronic Warfare Suite
Marathon - Its Twin MACs were so effective against Covenant Ships the UNSC would rush unfinished hulls just to use them.
Autumn - The Best UNSC Cruiser Built Post War, Armed with Shields and an Impressive MAC, its a Definite Problem to fight since Most Post War UNSC Ships have Shield Reinforced Armor.
Vindication - Its a Designated Carrier Hunter/Killer, with its Twin Super Heavy MACs capable of killing a CAS.
Punic - The UNSC's Best Mid-war carrier with 2 CR-06D Super MACs they're capable of Destroying a CAS or 2. while being a Mobile Threat to the DOR (Fanon).
In Short. UNSC Just have to stay at Range and Bombard Any Starwars Ship with MACs.
If Necessary the Infinity would have the Firepower to Annihilate an Executor or Subjugator. and Maybe even the Eclipse. It took 4 of its CR-04s to Punch a small hole in the Mantles Approach due to the Density of Forerunner Alloy. And its Refit to CR-04B's make it more capable as it would Punch through 5+ CAS' and Multiple CSO's. (It takes 3-4 Super MACs from an ODP to kill a CSO, Depends on type of ODP, Moncton 4. Erod 3). Keep in mind a CSO is Augmented by Forerunner Artefacts.
I feel like the USNC naval ships are like a slightly down graded version of the Mandalorian navy
That’s a cool comparison! I didn’t even think of that 🤔
Honestly, i think it comes down to the bridge and starfighters, as the bridge is an easy weakness in star wars ships, but if there fighters are an actual threat to capital ships, then there firepower dobbles isntantly, making them win et
I was wondering on your section about UNSC vessels against Imperial warships, generally what happens is UNSC vessels volley archer missiles and MAC rounds, and if they have sufficient numbers-they’d either destroy the enemy entirely, or what happened most of the time; get destroyed before their MACs could reload. Would you say Imperial warships like the ISD could survive long enough to return fire?
That’s a good question.. I think if the UNSC maintain a distance beyond the range of an ISD they have a great possibility of completely destroying the Imperials. The only issue is that the ISD does have point defense weapon systems and they are capable of providing such a spread of fire that archer missiles may not impact. Also, the MAC round would to have hit the ISD in a critical location. Star Destroyers are far more maneuverable than UNSC warships simply because they don’t obey the laws of physics. Another important thing is to remember that Star Wars vessels can make precise in system jumps right on top of the UNSC.
@@StarWarsOddball That’s true-but there are a few key things to note as well. Covenant warships were known to use kilometer-perfect slipspace jumps during combat, and for reference even the most accurate pre-war human drives were known to be tens of thousands of kilometers off target. Pair that reverse engineered technology with smart A.I.‘s, it’s plausible they could ascertain the vulnerability of their shield generators or hitch a ride into a ISD’s network by hijacking internal communications. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but missiles are sparsely used in capital ship-to-ship combat, meaning PD weaponry was designed to swat enemy fighters, and not intercept high velocity missiles.
Covenant ships main weapon is the energy projector which has an effective range of 100,000 Km and fires super heated plasma at 299,792,458 m/s aka the Speed of Light. They were being hit by enough force to turn a planet into liquid magma. The Covenant ships only ever got destroyed because of the arrogance of their commanders against what they saw as an inferior species initially. Which means the Covenant commanders would get well within the 10,000 Km effective range of the UNSC Navy's ships and basically play chicken with them. And win that fight like 8 out of 10 times. The UNSC had to use wolf pack tactics and have at minimum 3 to 1 advantage. And 2 of the 3 would end up either crippled or destroyed by the end of the fire fight.
If they named infinity as enterprise or just named another infinity class ship as enterprise it would've been a survivor
Star Trek?.. 😅
UNSC Spirit of Fire Is far best Carrier Ship of the lore, of it, and game wise is coolest Ship of carrier Class of it, And the namesake of Ship really did rose up as Phoenix in Halo Wars 2 as the ship have Transport to The Installation 00 or known of the ark , oh Also cup holder for the Captain Cutter.
Heck yeah! Spirit of Fire the goat
if star wars ships can get in range they will win against some unsc ships but the ships of the UNSC can out range them, thanks to the help of UNSC “Smart” AI. I am also shore a ODP can take out a star destroyer in one or two hits.
Good thought but the shields on star destroyers is very very strong but the movies make them look like paper
@@flippentrey7665 Strong enough to take 1.17 Terratons of TNT ? I doubt it considering a pilot destroyed one by crashing into the exposed bridge. And it's bay area underneath the ship is completely un-shielded and that the further you get from the shield generators the weaker the shields are. But that's not even the biggest problem the biggest problem is incompetent naval officers. We can all count practically on one hand how many actually competent Imperial Navy officers there are in the Galactic Empire.
The UNSC kept getting stomped by the covenant because they had the ability to preform in-system jumps, meaning they could close a 100 thousand kilometre distance in just a second.
Star Wars doesn’t normally have that feature, unless your THRAWN and use gravity well generators, but that’s THRAWN being him. My point is that Star Wars prefers a combat engagement of at least 5000km distance for maximum efficiency with their turbo lasers. And while Star Wars particle shields are strong, a continuous barrage of slugs that weight like tanks and travel a portion of the speed of light will definitely do more damage than some asteroid belt. And that’s just a frigate firing tanks for fun, cruisers are 10 times stronger and The infinity fires literally modern day frigates at its enemy, those 2 super macs are no joke.
Then we have the fact that UNSC uses Nukes hidden within a barrage of missiles, while there are Nukes in Star Wars, Halo Nukes are far more stronger than the average nuke used in Star Wars.
However, pure firepower Star Wars in uncontested, the fire rate is ridiculously fast and the fighter complements (other than the tie fighter) are extremely manoeuvrable.
Personally it all comes down to whether or not the Star Wars ship/ships can close the distance so they can truly unleash their entire broadside. However, we can all agree that legends Star Wars there is no competition, they smoke both UNSC and Covenant.
Valid points! I think the larger vessels Star destroyers and up would be at risk against a MAC round but smaller craft like starfighters would easily close the distance and shred the UNSC. Star Wars legends vessels are insane lol
@@StarWarsOddball that’s what I thought but Star Wars fighters don’t seem to have the type of shielding the covenant fighters have, where missiles would be deflected from covenant energy shields. Meaning that a UNSC long sword or short sword could essentially get targeting lock and launch missiles.
Then we come to speed where UNSC longswords Maximum speed in space is Mach 260, (318000 km/h), while the A-wing is considered the fastest star fighter in Star Wars has a max speed of 1300km/h, meaning that halo fighters will reach the Star Wars fighters first.
Even if the Star Wars fighters beat the UNSC’s ones, then they have to go against the point defence weapons of the UNSC ships. Unlike the Star Wars ships that rely on their main cannons to take out fighters, UNSC use their coil turrets to deal with such forces. Then they also have to deal with the barrage of missiles that can target fighters. Only after they close that distance and use their ion torpedoes do the Star Wars ships have a chance to strike against a disabled UNSC ship.
Starfighters are actually way faster than any UNSC strike craft. The speed you mentioned is the atmospheric speed. Starfighters use the measurement of MGLT (mega light) when in space. One mega light per hour is the equivalent of 0.0755 light-years per hour. An A-wing could reach speeds of 120 MGLT.
As for the targeting systems of the UNSC, I’m not sure how well they would handle targeting disrupters. Point-defense weapons could probably handle some of the fighters but it would only take a single proton torpedo to severely damage a UNSC vessel (maybe not the newer shielded ones).
I think it’s an interesting discussion! So much fun thinking about the different scenarios
@@StarWarsOddball damn, can’t believe I over looked that. Yeah, I guess the Star Wars fighters could just ignore UNSC fighters and go straight for the ships. I think pre war UNSC ships will have a lot of difficulty with these, as their primary point defence is a coil gun turret. But newer ships like the Autumn class heavy cruisers and the Infinity should have far better chances in dealing with the Star Wars fighters.
So basically the UNSC has to end the fight fast before the Star Wars fighters reach their ships.
True, the UNSC could easily get a barrage of MAC rounds and unleash some of their missiles on the star destroyers. It’s gotta be quick or they have to outsmart the Imperials
If the Covenant would invade the Star wars Universe during the imperial era, lets say around episode 5 it would probably not go well for them. Slipspace travel is slow when we compare it to Hyperspace, the empire could show up pick off a patroll or small warfleet and be gone before reinforcements could arrive (Hyperspace is also the reason why the Empie would get stomped if the scenario was reversed they would need ages to plot efficient rutes and would be unable to move quickly) and Covenant Shielding is also noted to be extreamly inefective to energy based Weapons like Lasers and Plasma ad to that the fact that Turbolasers, at high powerd settings, hit with the power of a Nuclear Weapon (this is the reason why Nukes are not used in Star Wars Warfare exept to be cruel). Covenant warships would not fare well against Imperial Ships
My thoughts exactly! I think prime Empire would stomp the Covenant and UNSC. The Republic would struggle more so just based on the limited size of it, not as Grand as you might think for the size of the Republic. But the CIS would be interesting!
@@StarWarsOddball I think that even in a Defensive War even the Republic would win against the covenant pretty convincingly and the only reason for that is speed. Slipspace travel is slow when compared to Hyperspace. The Republic could use way more of its ships in one sector without compromising the security of another one. Also, reinforcement speed would be way faster. (A class 1 hyperdrive used by the Venator can cross our galaxy in 7 or 8 days the Covenant can travel at the high end at around 900 lightyears per day which means it can traverse the galaxy in around 112 days. Hyperdrives are 13 times faster than Slipspace so you would only need like 1/6 of the covenant fleet tonnage to effectively fight them on even ground. And the Republican Navy had (edit apparently there were multiple 1000 of ships in the battle of Corousant so lowbaling it) 3000 on the Republic side Star Destroyers at the battle of Corousant alone whilst waging a galaxy-spanning war (yes a lot of ships were recalled to be at Corousant but the Separatists didn't make any significant headway anywhere else so the republic could spare these ships). The reason why the numbers generally are so low in Star Wars is that they simply did not need to field such large forces to wage an effective War they can accomplish 6 times as much with one warship.
To sum it up:
Those 25,000 Imperial Stardestroyers have the force projection of 150,000 similarly built Covenant Warships.
Don't forget the force that jedi and sith can use like battle meditation to change the side of any equal conflict.
CIS against Halo's covenant or Unsc would crush any competition given fighter complications vultures and tri fighters would rule the sky's/space but definitely Unsc would probably take quite a few out from Mac cannons fire on Cis vessels. Although it would be a interesting set up to see that fight.
@@prematurebat2365 Truly fascinating! Jedi and Sith would be game changers in a conflict against the UNSC or Covenant. But the droid army would be really interesting to see battle it out!
Um well considering that the Covenant travel at 1,368 light years per day in slipspace and don't have to follow specific lanes and can do in system jumps including jumping into and out of a planet's atmosphere. I wouldn't exactly call that slow. Also when your stuck using hyper lanes you are kind of forced on the defensive. Against an enemy that can literally jump in behind you with stealth ships, drop off ground forces , use boarding craft to take out your orbital defense and then have the main fleet show up with thousands of ships vs your sector group of 400 ships. Or sector group of 2,400 ships, of which 24 of which are ISD's and the rest are smaller warships. Yeah that might pose a problem. Also defenses in Star Wars were built with hyperspace lanes in mind. Not to be used against an enemy that can jump in from any direction , open fire and jump back out again.
Notice how when there is a planet under blockade they don't put ships all the way around it ?
This is because everyone pretty much uses the established hyperspace routes or lanes . Because unlike Slipspace. Hyperspace is affected by objects outside of hyperspace.
Ie.. Large objects in realspace cast "mass shadows" in hyperspace, so hyperspace jumps necessitated very precise calculations.Without those, a vessel could fly right through a star or another celestial body. Because of the danger, there existed predetermined hyperspace routes.
Now Slipspace doesn't have this problem. Ie. Objects in normal space are intangible in slipspace: an object in slipspace can pass through a mass, such as a planet, without causing a collision in normal space; such an event may often go completely unnoticed.
So the Covenant and UNSC actually have a tactical advantage in addition to their primary weapons out-ranging the Turbolasers that are the main weapon system on most Star Wars warships. The combat range of an ISD's Turbolaser batteries is less than 1,200 kilometers, and after said distance, they would be unable to penetrate any type of sufficient armoring. UNSC ships have a combat range with their main MAC's of 10,000 km double that for Super MACs combat range. The Covenant can start engaging with their primary energy projectors at out to 100,000 km. So in most cases the UNSC or the Covenant will sit back and take out the larger ships at range then move in to deal with the smaller ones. Which are much less powerful than the massive heavily armored Warships of Halo.
Unless an Eclipse shows up a SCO or Inifinity class is enough to easily handle and Executor class interesting video I personally see the UNSC getting Trounced due to no shielding on 99% of their navy.
and the Covenant fairing a lot better at first but eventually getting overwhelmed by sheer numbers.
Star Wars especially in legends has some ridiculous numbers some estimates state the Republic Navy numbering in millions to 10s of millions, CIS Navy numbering 10s of millions to 100s of Millions, and the imperial Navy numbering 100s of millions to Billions.
Great video but I’m not sure why you call the Covenant ship classes odd names and not their actual classifications like for example CCS Class Battlecruisers, CAS class Carriers, and SCO class Super Carriers.
None the less great video 👍🏻
Thanks for the comment! This was one of my first forays into Halo vessels so research wasn’t quite as thorough as I would have wanted. You live you learn! I have more Star Wars and Halo crossovers in the works, better research and information included lol
Post war the UNSC has upgraded their navy adding energy shields and even pulse laser turrets to their ships. So that subject of shielding is void as of current canon.
Truth of the matter is that Star Wars ships are not discussed in detail about their abilities besides what we could see on the shows and read in the books, even in legends we just read first hand accounts or a passing comment not meant to be looked into, the rule of cool rules all. Whereas Halo lore is very detailed about its weapons because it’s supposed to be “based in reality”. I love both franchises but if we’re going all out, the question is who’s going to win in the logistics race
True, although I’d argue that some of the Star Wars roll playing handbooks have some good details on the various ships. Halo is able to be far more detailed because the weapons are far more realistic. Not only that but Halo uses our actual laws of physics (for the most part). I still think that Star Wars ships would defeat Human Covenant War Era UNSC ships but vessels like the Infinity would present a true threat.
U forgot to add the forerunner
I’ll make sure to throw the forerunner in there on another video!
Weapons no being a factor I feel the Exposed bridges on most Star destroyer classes would be a severe handicap meaning that even a fighter could take out a massive super star destroyer with the right tactics and weapons load out also the star destroyers aren't ver manouverable when compared to halo vessels and their sheer size would be their down fall.
Those are excellent points! While the maneuverability of most capital ships is limited or just slow, their complement of starfighters would outmatch most of the UNSCs fighters. And while the main bridge is exposed secondary command bridges did remain within more secure locations of the ship. I think it would be quite the interesting battle between these two universes!
Corvette good name for ship 😁👍
UNSC Spirit of Fire has to be the best tho
In my mind, i think the UNSC is superior to that of the Star wars universe. there's multiple issues that i think is often times forgotten.
Lets just take the pre-war UNSC or during the covenant war era, and we could use legends for star wars.
The large ships are relatively slow, and not maneuverable at all. Their sensor technology isn't great either and is rated to only picking up objects of particular sizes.
While it is true that the UNSC would most likely get ripped apart in a slugging match in a knife fight range, which is relatively close by to each other, as the Turbo lasers are able to quickly reach and accurately hit their target at a decent rate, their systems are not computer controlled by partially manual controlled, and what is droid controlled is done so through bad softwares which often times lead to more misses than actual hits.
The UNSC on the other hand has a MASSIVE and i mean MASSIVE range advantage. It isn't even a contest. the UNSC can engage targets at a theoretical unlimited range, with an effective range of about 16,000kilometers. Which can change depending on how big and how maneuverable their target is and how quickly they could pick up and track the target. As demonstrated the star wars universe has a very meh sensor technology even at its more advanced state of the star wars universe, its sensors are INFERIOR to that of the UNSC's pre-war. this is just also taking into account the very piss poor electronic warfare capabilities of the star wars universe that is simply inferior on every single level to that of the UNSC. That means in order for star wars ships to hit accurately, they do so from visual range.
The UNSC wins this simply due to one thing though, which makes all others advantages just so much higher. the UNSC Smart A.Is which is able to calculate, launch cyber attacks, organize targeting with other ships and its systems and crews to best utilize them. Because of this because the star wars universe has limited range, while they have an maximum range of 5000kilometers AT BEST and this means their legends numbers, with their more canon numbers being FAR LESS than that.
the UNSC can engage star wars ships with impunity. Star wars does have shielding, which isn't an advantage in post war UNSC. but even against post war UNSC, Star wars hyperdrives are faster than the UNSC's slipspace, its hard to tell due to the fact that trying to measure hyperspace is difficult due to the wildly inconsistent measurements of even the same class of hyperdrive that its not even funny. So we will just hand the advantage to star wars, the issue is versitility. While star wars is faster, its also far less versitile. Intersystem jumps with accuracy is not possible unless you have the use of artifical gravity wells.
while UNSC post war can do accurate intersystem jumps. the covenant could do so anyway.
I could go on with the design features that left many star wars ships vulnerable to decapitation strikes.
but out of all the things you mentioned as an advantaged and i've noticed this, you tried to use fighters....Yes star wars ships fighters have been in animations and lore deadly, and you would be right that they are far faster than their UNSC counterparts, but they are less armored and armed, meaning that they are outgunned by the UNSC fighters.
The main problem is that star wars fighters would be beyond unable to penetrate UNSC lines. They couldn't even come close. The reason is again the UNSC Smart A.Is, You're basically going against a ship with dozens of 50mm coilguns which are shooting out hot lead in rapid secession. All of which are computer targeted and adjusted for by the UNSC Smart A.I No matter how good you are, you're not making it through. The UNSC has a far better ability to coordinate their assets than star wars who more likeloy send fighters off on their own without proper coordination with their ships. there are exceptions but this is exceptions.
the UNSC, especially post war, would make star wars pay for every victory and victories for star wars without overwhelming numbers would not be possible without extreme tactical reconnaissance and information.
Umm.... , sir thanks for this whole explanation, i also thinks the same btw how many years does it took you to type this all 👀?
@@phoenix-bb9dk about the same amount of time as your mother takes to make a decent home cooked meal
@@phoenix-bb9dk regardless, i thik the maker of this video has forgotten what point defense systems are.
@@shadowywarrior yup , i agree. Btw im new to this all , i get to know about this all 1 month ago. I knew about star wars from many years but i didnt watched any of its movie or series, cuz its not that much popular in india. But i suddenly started watching them a month ago and then i get to know about halo and i think halo is better then star wars 🙃but i like both. The only problem i have with them is their lore is sooooooo vasssstttttt , it would take me months to cover that all up and if we includes books and novels then years💀
Hey plus Convent and USNC would suffer losses you talk about empire and Republic 1 fleet from the empire 1 fleet from the Republic 1 fleet of cis can over whelm USNC and Convent with firepower and fighters a key for star wars is x wing y wing b wing all have hyper drives built in for the rebles while 3 fleets keep them in combat reble fighter bomers can jump in close and do quite alot of damage. Just saying
Well with the rebles help can esly hold them off intill the big guns arrived.
Definitely! I think the laser weapons, proton torpedoes, and other Star Wars specific weapons hold a significant advantage over UNSC and Covenant. But who knows for sure, the UNSC have MAC weapons and the Covenant have plasma weaponry. Starfighters definitely stand as a serious threat to the UNSC and Covenant tho.
@@StarWarsOddball The UNSC and Covenant also have laser weapons . The Covenant uses Pulse laser turrets for point defenses. And the Anlace-class frigates uses a Helios capital-scale high-energy laser cannon as it's primary weapon , Magna-320 capital-scale pulse laser cannons as its secondary and 8x AN/SEQ-11 point-defense laser array's as well point defense weapons.
Also both Covenant and UNSC fighters are shielded . And equally as maneuverable as any fighter in Star Wars.
The Covenant Seraph fighters and Elsedda-pattern Strike Fighter aka Space Banshee fighters are capable of Mach 32 and Maneuvering at hypersonic speeds . Both armed with plasma weapons capable of vaporizing several meters of armor materials.
The UNSC has a number of fighters that are capable of shooting down these fighters including the FSS-1000 Sabre , S-930 Strike Fighter (derived from the Sabre), F-41 Broadsword, F-29 Nandao (post war fighter capable of Mach 12 in atmosphere , much faster in space.) C-712 and C-718 Longswords (which are the only craft that don't come with energy shields stock) But the Longswords come with a massive amount of firepower compared to the Fighters of Star Wars. And are equally as fast as the others on the list above. Weapons for the UNSC fighters consist of Coilguns , guided missiles and various nuclear weapons.
Now Star Wars fighters are a short list for each faction.
Galactic Empire: Tie fighter : Unshielded , armed with 2 L-s1 Laser cannons ( which mind as well be throwing rocks considering the UNSC fighters shields are designed to survive hits from point defense laser cannons that double as anti ship weapons. Ie the Covenant version of turbolaser cannons is a point defense system.) So the Tie Fighter is about as effective as throwing rocks at a tank if it could even catch the fighters it's up against. In Atmosphere the Tie fighter hits 746 mph. An easy kill in atmosphere. In space it depends as MGLT is not an actual measurement and is just something made up for the series. So 100 MGLT could be any speed really. But of course that doesn't really matter when the UNSC uses targeting systems and their pilots are neural linked to their fighters.
The Rebels/Republic/ New Republic : X-Wing everyone's favorite fighters... Made out of Titanium, deflector shielding equipped , Weapons 4 laser cannons , 2 proton torpedo launchers.
Too bad for them the UNSC and Covenant energy shields defend against any incoming attack including both ballistic and energy based weapons.
So yeah not going to be so easy. Though Halo doesn't really show off their fighters all that often. Oh and those ships point defenses are ran by ship board AI's which will shoot down pretty much every tie fighter any ship in the Galactic Empire has. Because well human reaction time is much slower than a Smart AI. So those Y wings jumping in close to a UNSC or Covenant ship will just get shot down almost instantly by either Coilguns, Railguns, Missiles , Nuclear missiles or laser cannon turrets.
Also Halo ships are capable of doing pinpoint in system jumps as well. And projectile weapons in Space have no maximum range. Because it's a vacuum And the laws of physics say an object in motion will stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force. Covenant energy projectors have a max effective range of 100,000 km. So chances are the ships on Star Wars side start taking hits first.
According to the wiki " The turbolaser armaments of the Imperial I-class Star Destroyer Chimaera had a combat range of less than 1,200 kilometers, and after said distance, they would be unable to penetrate any type of sufficient armoring."
So the UNSC and Covenant's primary weapons out range the most common warship the Galactic Empire has available.
So jumping the fighter/bombers into a hornets nest isn't a new trick. And the UNSC/ Covenant will still gut the Star Destroyers used by the Galactic Empire before they come into weapons range to be a distraction.
Um lets see issue with your plan here. One the UNSC and Covenant also have equally capable fighters which are shielded against both projectile and energy based weapons while carrying an ass ton of their own weapons.
Two the max effective range of a imperial class star destroyers turbo lasers is less than 1,200 kilometers. The combat range of most UNSC MACs is 10,000 kilometers at which point your not quick enough to move Super MACs have about twice the range. Covenant Energy Projectors on the other hand have a max effective range of up to 100,000 kilometers. So the Halo side out ranges your ships on Star Wars side.
Third in system jumps isn't a new thing to Halo.
Fourth aside from the literal hornets nest the Y wing Fighter/Bombers would be jumping into. The UNSC and Covenant ships both have automated controls and AI's The UNSC are known to use their AI's to target and fire their weapons with pinpoint accuracy. So it's like Y wings jump in close and get torn to pieces by the UNSC and Covenant AA systems which double as close range anti ship weapons. And vary from Coilguns, Railguns , Plasma turrets , Pulse laser turrets , missiles , plasma torpedo's to nukes .
5th problem Fleet sizes .. Assuming your talking a superiority fleet for the empire then were talking 6 star destroyers and 18 other ships of the line. If we give the Republic and CIS fleet the same numbers we end up with a combined fleet of 60 ships . For the UNSC lets go with an expeditionary fleet the size of the 5th expeditionary fleet which was 75 ships total. For the Covenant lets go with the Fleet of Particular Justice at 60 ships. For a grand total of 135 ships. This is a skirmish not a full scale invasion. Because both the UNSC and Covenant are known to have thousands to tens of thousands of warships between both of them. If this was a full scale invasion or you wanted to make it an all out war the Galactic Empire built 25,000 ISD's which are just 1.6km long so about the size of a heavy cruiser in Halo . And just 50 Super Star Destroyers. Not nearly enough to fight an invading fleet of tens of thousands with thousands upon thousands being built daily. Halo's factions focus on war more than policing the galaxy.
So um yeah the Naval engagement isn't likely to go the way you hoped. Disregarding plot armor of course.
Oh and the big guns ? you mean the dreadnoughts like the Star Dreadnought Supremacy ? the Heavy Turbolasers of which were unable to cause notable damage to the shields of the Star Cruiser Raddus from a significant distance, despite their continuous barrage.
Yeah the UNSC and Covenant ships just have to stay at range and shoot then move and shoot again.
Star Wars starfighters meeting Halo point defense for the first time would be like real life cavalry meeting machine guns for the first time.
That’s a little exaggerated but a funny visual lol
@@StarWarsOddballYou have to admit-a 50mm radar guided point defense gun compared to a tie fighter would be pretty funny.
@@synth8519 Funny for the UNSC crew definitely lol
@@synth8519tie fighters are made of titanium and quadamium steel, they may seem fragile against a blaster cannon, but I don't think a 50mm caliber bullet will have the same effect, unless it's in the cockpit, plus many imperial fighters are better armored, and with energy shields.
One thing going for the unsc is that Mac guns have an infinite range and turbo lasers are basically shooting burning gas they have a range
Im sorry to say but my money is on the UNSC if a fight could happen. Starwars ships use Energy Shields to absorb plasma. The Massive Coil Cannons and the MACs will be able to rip through the Durasteel on ISDs. Plus the TIEs that are carried wont stand a chance from the vulcan AA guns and missiles used by the UNSC ships. While UNSC fighter/bombers have sheilds. The UNSC also has Longer range than Turbolasers while also the Covenant Glassing Beams can assist by cutting apart the ships with ease
You bring up some good points. I will counter with the fact that the deflector shields protect from more than just plasma lasers. While the range and spread from 60+ turbolasers would obliterate most UNSC vessels. I will say that they could do some damage but I don't think a single MAC could break the shields right away similar to the Covenants shields. Star Wars warships are also a lot faster and more maneuverable than the UNSC. But interesting speculation, I appreciate you for joining the conversation!
@@StarWarsOddball im a fan of both Halo and Starwars so i slways loom at both sixes for a debate
Lol love it
@@StarWarsOddball gotta love both sides my friend.
It’s easy enough when you have these two universes
Unsc get smacked by star wars and the covenant have a better chance. I think the covenant might be better because they do use boarding tactics so they could board star wars ships taking them over from the inside but I'm not sure how good they would be?
I think their ships would have the best odds. If they did board I think they’d mow through stormtroopers, elites especially. That would be a crazy crossover
Actually I think the UNSC has a fair chance against canon Star Wars ships, but in legends they get stomped.
The UNSC could definitely preform hit and run tactics and with Star Wars capital ships not showing any true evasive manoeuvre, I think UNSC AI’s could pick off ships in far distances. And without the ability to preform precise in system jumps the UNSC definitely has a range advantage.
While in canon lore, a star destroyer was peppered by asteroids for a full day, none of them were travelling at a small portion of the speed of light.
Star Wars prefers broadside engagements and WW2 dog fighter, while the UNSC prefers far distance shooting ranges. Personally I see UNSC winning most engagements from a distance, but once Star Wars gets close it’s game over.
Some of the most powerful warships out there? In what context? Because even foregoing superhero and manga/anime stuff, you do to realize the Culture and the Xeelee exist in the space opera genre, right? Even just sticking to film space opera stuff, you do realize the Harvesters from the Independence Day series exist, right?
Lol my guy I’m not an expert in every single sci-fi fandom 😂 but I’ll make sure to make an intro stating every single sci-fi warship out there
I think that the one advantage the UNSC would have over any star wars ship is the same one they have over the covenenant. And that's range. Star Wars ships typically engage in "knife-fights" Where you can physically see the other ship. Meanwhile a MAC cannon fires at ridiculous ranges, typically guided by either a VI or a full AI system, meaning fairly high accuracy with near-light speed projectiles.
Now if you go with the in-universe numbers for star wars shields and turbo laser systems, then yes the UNSC would need to massively outnumber any of the Star Wars ships to have a hope of overcoming the particle shields. *However*, if you use a rule of thumb approach based on the damage we *see* from the turbolasers and extrapolating from there, I would suppose the shields are equivalent to, if in some cases inferior to, covie shields, and thus the UNSC should be able to outrange any SW ship.
When you add fighters into the mix, though, SW ships re-gain their advantage. Longswords and Broadswords would be heavily outmatched by all but the ties, though the guided ship-to-ship missiles might come more into play in this instance. I've yet to see any form of guided missile in SW, at least as we know them. The proton torpedos they use do seem to have some level of guidance but not nearly to the degree that the UNSC has, and especially not in the abundance we see on the UNSC side.
Fair points! I’ve heard similar points made about the UNSC before. I just feel like if their warships were truly this effective in combat than they wouldn’t have struggled so much against the Covenant. Star Wars vessels are more similar to Covenant vessels than you might think. And considering the amount of times the UNSC lost to the Covenant, the odds don’t look so good. Now, when we’re talking about post-Human Covenant War than the UNSC has a shot. The updated and modern warships like the Infinity-class are the premier example. But even the Banished got the drop on the Infinity so it’s tough to say. I just don’t believe the UNSC works at such a far range. They would’ve used this to their advantage if they did. Instead, commanders like Keyes had to use advanced never before seen tactics to defeat Covenant warships. You have to also consider the fact that most MAC rounds only dropped the shields of the Covenant. Meaning you could knock out the ISDs shields but that thing will be either jumping into hyperspace to get away or drop right on top of you. I love the discussion! We may never know the true outcome lol
@@StarWarsOddballIt is worth mentioning. Venators can hit targets several million kilometers away, according to guidance. Another thing is that the gunners are actually supported by advanced firing computers that do the hard work, and many times the weapons can fire automatically without the need for a human, there are even star destroyers that can operate entirely with artificial intelligence. , one AI controls the entire ship. Lastly, a single turbolser shot has the energy of a thermonuclear bomb, they can crystallize planets.
@@StarWarsOddball The UNSC will preform the Strategic Transfer of Equipment to Alternate Locations or STEAL for short anything that isn't bolted down. And they brought cutting torches for anything that is bolted down. Spartan's use Energy shields reverse engineered from a stolen Jackal energy shield. The Infinity class super carriers are powered by a combination of Covenant and Forerunner technologies. The Slipspace drives are literally yonked off damaged Forerunner ships.
A ODST or a Spartan kills some rebels who have blasters and guess who has blasters now. It's the old war time tradition of stealing the enemies stuff. Or depriving the enemy of nice things.
With that said I don't think the UNSC and the Republic would instantly start fighting . The galactic empire sure but the Republic was much more peaceful and willing to be diplomatic. Which ONI will 100% take advantage of.
When you know a bit of lore on the weapons side the UNSC's got some fairly high end firepower. Especially post war. Which they did retrofit shielding to their ships. Also if your any good at math you start to realize that the wiki writers aren't very good at math.
The average MAC fires a 600 ton ferric tungsten slug at 30km/s or 30,000 meters per second. Their max effective range against the Covenant was 10,000 km. Which translates to 48.988 GN or 1.17 Terratons of TNT.
Meanwhile turbolasers produce 30 Terajoules of energy or 7.17 Killotons per turbolaser shot. They work by repeated hits rapidly wearing down a shield and burning through armor. Very much similar to Covenant Plasma weapons but fair weaker than the energy projectors used by the Covenant as their primary weapon. Turbolasers bolts also dissipated their energy at a faster rate the further they traveled, therefore turbolasers only had a limited effective range, even in the vacuum of space. The turbolaser armaments of the Imperial I-class Star Destroyer Chimaera had a combat range of less than 1,200 kilometers, and after said distance, they would be unable to penetrate any type of sufficient armoring.
So the empire has to get well within the range of a UNSC ships primary MAC's and the closer they get the higher the force of impact on their ship will be when hit.
Super MACs come in two major catagories Ship mounted and Orbital defense platform mounted. The normal super MAC's prior to the Infinity . All fired 3,000 ton slugs at 4% of the speed of light . Yes I am fully aware of the Halo encyclopedia. But don't think the high end is necessary in this little debate. So 4% of the speed of light is 11,991,698.3 m / s . A 3,000 ton projectile fired at this velocity at lest say 10,000 km from the target would impact said target with 39,136,143.137 Giga Newtons of force or 3.9 Teratons of TNT. Yes I also know about the wiki saying gigatons but again they apparently didn't do math. Or bother to run the numbers given in the sources through an Impact force calculator. Kind of like Halo Writers don't know shit about doing math apparently And Bungie and 343 Industries don't understand how to do proper scaling because the cannon ship sizes are of by a conservative 2.25 times the listed size. Because at the Wiki scale the aircraft listed wouldn't fit inside the hanger bays.
Now the big boys or girls depending on what gender you want to apply to a warship . The UNSC Infinity and UNSC Eternity Series 8 CR-03 Super MAC's according the Halo Shaddows of Reach these fire at 25% of the speed of light. And are larger than previous super MACs with a bore of 27 meters which given the composition of Ferric Tungsten and the length of a projectile to bore diameter are roughly 6000 tons. So 6,000 tons at 74,948,114.5 m/s or 25% of the speed of light equal an impact force of 3,057,511,192.752 GN or 311.7 Teratons of TNT. The Infinity class super carriers have 4 of them .
So in a straight up fire fight the UNSC actually outguns comparable Imperial Navy ships.
Now the Covenant the only really important weapon to worry about is the Energy Projector which has an effective range of 100,000 Km and velocity of 299,792,458 m/s aka the speed of light. There isn't really any info on how much the plasma projectiles weight. But lets just put it this way a grain of sand moving at the speed of light can easily destroy a planet.
So Halo actually has the firepower advantage. Here's the impact force calculator I used. www.gigacalculator.com/calculators/impact-force-calculator.php
But yeah the UNSC and Covenant combined could beat the bricks off the Galactic Empire. Not that the UNSC would have any interest in doing so. The Covenant are the much more aggressive ones.
And yes given that your channel is devoted to Star Wars we can all see your bias on this but the numbers don't lie. Halo has more firepower. And that's without bring up the portable death star the UNSC can launch out of their MAC's and Super MAC's . Aka Nova Bomb. Which was actually originally designed to be used in Naval combat against enemy fleets. Of course given it explodes with the force of a small star they kind of over engineered it to do it's job.
Cool dude. Nothing more appreciated than a "well actually" guy.
@@StarWarsOddball I just did the research and did the math and got that damn reaction . Because if the UNSC gets those primary MACs lined up that will do more than enough damage.
Now given that there are at least a handful of Imperial Navy commanders who would quickly realize that going head on against the UNSC is akin to suicide. Some commanders will use other tactics such as attacking from the side where they will still get peppered with missiles , railguns and coil guns but not be getting hit by the primary MACs/Super MACs . Because the UNSC ships are basically built as a large Coilgun with engines strapped to it , with a ship built around it and more guns and missiles on the outside of the ships.
It won't take Thrawn very long to figure that out. And decide it's really not worth it to pick a fight with the UNSC. The UEG government is much easier to deal with than going gun for gun against their large ships.
Basically an ISD lacks the firepower to go against a UNSC ship head to head. Because the UNSC ships primary guns especially post war ships are intended to take out ships their own size or larger .
Star Wars is less a war movie series and more of a family drama among the most powerful families in the Empire that ends up getting millions to billions killed in the process.
Halo is more of a cosmic horror story where everything in the setting is for the most part hostile to humanity. And yet humanity survives.
Even Humanity fights itself in Halo.
In other words take the United States of America and make it into a galactic empire that includes every other country on earth within as voting members of their multi galaxy spanning empire. You know how many conflicts we have on earth today multiply that out over 800 colonies . It's a wonder that the UNSC /UEG hasn't destroyed itself at this point.
But Humanity in Halo just like in the real world develops technologically through wars and infighting . And yeah while I pointed out things that give the UNSC Navy the edge in firepower and having shielding designed to survive plasma at the speed of light. They still got their shit rocked by the Covenant before they got the shields . And there are dumb things like the fact that they don't make full body semi-powered armor standard issue to all Marines despite having the technology to do so.
@@John2r1 The research was commendable and well done. The statements of "if you knew the lore" or "anyone good at math" came across wrong. In the video I primarily discussed Human-Covenant war vessels and not the post UNSC warships as they were much stronger and well armed. It has been a minute since I made the video, but I think I mentioned how easy it would be for the UNSC Infinity to walk through ISDs and like vessels. I consider myself well versed in Halo, for the most part. And while I am a Star Wars channel I don't consider myself bias. I appreciate your comments, but stand by my assessment. May the Force be with you!
@@StarWarsOddball I am talking on people who don't know enough about the extended lore in Halo which is most of the fan base of the series. And about the wiki's giving math equations that don't actually add up to what they are saying . Because they didn't bother to do the math themseves.
I used an equation calculator to solve what I solved proving the equation false. I've also proven the 64 Kt yield of a standard MAC wrong when we use the 30km for velocity in one of my posts . Because the velocity is wrong if that is the yield someone is looking at . 600 tons at 30km/s at 10,000km equals 48.988 MN or 48,988,000 Newtons or 5.506470236203251 Kilotons.
Aka 5.5 kilotons. 64 Kilotons is 2.67776E+14 Newton Meters or 267,776,000 Meganewtons.
So the writers of the lore or whoever wrote on the wiki's didn't do well in math class or science class. The Fat Man Nuke yielded 21 Killotons. We had nukes in the late 1960s that were more powerful than 64 kilotons and today's warheads are many, many times more powerful than that. W87 mod 1 has a unclassified explosive yield of 475 kilotons.
So the math part was very much me tearing apart bs in the halo lore. And showing what the equations given in the wikis actually come out to.
Covenant Weapons Tech is just on a whole other level. Each Ship has a Pulse Laser Turret not only do they stagger fire but at a very rapid rate for close-range combat and defense, while they also have a long-range Plasma Lance and Plasma Torpedoes that deal more damage than a Turbo Laser that melts A2 Grade Titanium of the UNSC like a hot knife through butter. Also Titanium Grade A2 and A3 btw superior to Star Wars Durasteel Armor which is standard in the Star Wars Universe that is many times superior to regular Titanium while Durasteel is superior to regular Titanium but inferior to both A1, A2, and even A3.
Covenant Ships have Nanolaminate Armor which is equal footing to UNSC's latest A3 Grade Titanium Armor of the newest ship the Infinity Supercarrier Class Dreadnought and Covenant also has an energy shield which may or may on the same equal footing as Star Wars Shields in Canon (not Legends). Haloverse Ships comes equipped with AI as standard but the UNSC has featured more advanced superior AI because due to the fanatic religious side of the Covenant that outlawed them to used very advanced AI systems that they have the capability to produce themselves, that's why they only used a lesser AI version that helps them automate almost all parts of the ship and its weapons system that makes them very accurate and efficient in tracking targets at both Long and Close ranges that make it superior than Star Wars Manual and extremely unreliable and inaccurate simply ballistic computers.
Star Wars also does have AI but they don't use it too often or make them automate their ship's function, system, or weapons system and they only rely on a more advanced form of Ballistic Computer Technology. In terms of ship propulsion Halo has a way more advanced propulsion system not only they are faster but more efficient compared to Star Wars' slow Ion Drives and Star Wars Matter Annihilation Drives is just simply bulky, a weak spot for every ship and not that efficient compared to Halo Energy Reactors. Star Wars ships have no redundancy in place or were built with it as a simple reactor breach or critical hit makes their ships explode to oblivion Star Wars being Star Wars their technology is full of blocks and square and Megalithic in nature not only it is big, chunky, and bulky like the past technologies of the '60s and '70s they are simply inefficient in nature, while The UNSC and The Covenant technology is small, compact, very advanced, and very efficient.
To face to face with Halo Ships against Star Wars Ships is just a 1 side slaughter and a suicide for Star Wars Ships. UNSC has a railgun powerful enough to blast holes in (Canon) Star Destroyers and Covenant Energy and Plasma Weapons Technology are very strong enough to melt alloys in seconds. Like all Star Wars Ships, they may be classified as Capital Ships but their ships are extremely lacking in both firepower and accuracy with so much wasted space on the hull of their ships. The Wedge shape design is practical and could accommodate more anti-ship and anti-capital weapons, but like all Star Wars having more turrets does not make it Star Wars anymore while Halo is purely for firepower, efficiency, lethality, and brute force, as both the UNSC and The Covenant have more anti-ship and capital weapons placed in their ships than a Single Star Destroyer Posses. Star Wars ships are only for name, aesthetics, and design while Halo ships are more for battle and ship-to-ship engagement heck even the more older Forerunners had more OP weapons emplacement all over the hull of their ships than that of the UNSC and Covenants Combined yet Star Wars Star Destroyers are very lackluster in both firepower and designed but are effective at intimidation tactics.
Well alrighty then! Lol that was an information dump for sure but I appreciate your insight. I’ll agree with the efficiency of Halo vessels, but to say it would be a one sided slaughter is a little much. It’s your opinion and I respect that but I kindly disagree. I think the basic computer systems that you say Star Wars vessels have are far more capable than you realize. Now there’s not a lot of detail given to them but they are more than able to handle a ship-to-ship slugging match. I would also argue that the deflector, ray, and thermo shields are stronger than that of the UNSC. I will also mention that starfighters are far more effective than anything the UNSC or Covenant utilize. Again, just my opinion but I love the discussion! It’s hard to compare a sci-fi universe to that of a fantasy universe.
@@StarWarsOddball Well, u do have a point, but I guess we will never know who's more powerful between the 2 because they're in different universes I guess.
@@nikkotan2840 True! Fun to talk about the tho. I love both of them so much, so it's cool to discuss!
In terms of ship to ship combat the UNSC biggest assets are the MACs, being able to fire a 160 ton to a 600 ton slugs. But once you bring in the smart A.I.s of the UNSC ships then I don't see many Star Wars ships winning since Star Wars naval combat is mostly WWII in nature and never really delved into cyberwarfare. Other than that the UNSC will have to play defensively just like they did with the Covenant.
For sure, the MACs are would be their biggest offensive capabilities other than nukes. As for the AI, Star Wars does have a lot of cybernetic enhancements that could prove useful and droids are essentially AIs themself depending on the model. If the UNSC played it smart they could definitely win but the Star Wars capital ships with full starfighter wings are going to shred most UNSC vessels other than the Infinity-class. I will say the UNSC are tactically more intelligent but Star Wars has the Force on its side.
@@StarWarsOddball true. I just keep forgetting that Star Wars have good cybersecurity( better then the Covenant.) manly because any astromech like R2-D2 are such good hackers.
@@kingbuggy7491 Sarcasm? Lol if so I don't believe that cybersecurity is something Star Wars has spent much time with, splicers and droids tend to just get into whatever they want 🤣 So, I'm sure just about any AI could access whatever they wanted to
@@StarWarsOddball no I wasn't being sarcastic, I genuinely forgot about the cybersecurity in Star Wars because astromechs like R2-D2 and Chopper have hacked into a lot of suff. But after giving it some thought I don't think the UNSC A.I. will have an easy time hacking into any Star Wars ship because they may operate on a different computing system.
@@kingbuggy7491 Oh ok! Fair enough, I can see that. I think an AI like Cortana would could figure it out but making a connection to the computer system would be tricky for both groups.