Is it just me or are they using the wrong gender? Despite the possibility of them sourcing white power input chassis mounts, the twist goes the wrong way for power input, meaning they've used an output mount for power in. Right?
@@simoncox9349 you are correct the blue connector should be used for input while the white connector is used for output for daisy chaining multiple devises to one power cord. Probably did it for Aesthetic purposes.
AFAIK PowerCon, PowerTwist (aka TR1) and SpeakOn (for powered audio signal) are the only twist locking connector from Neutrik. Other connectors (XLR, RJ45 aka EtherCon, etc.) have simple latch mechanism
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 most likely logistics. They are coming from different manufacturers, so having to intake, assemble, repackage, store, ship, etc is just going to drive up cost and be a headache for something that is a small batch passion project.
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 Aside from the choice of GPU(maybe some of the new SFF 4060s can also fit), all motherboards will be able to fit in perfectly, just the cable routing would be a pain for front I/O motherboards, that's it. Since the extra space on the right side of the YTX motherboard would be absent for regular ITX motherboards, there should be enough room for cable management, but it just won't be pretty.
The increased width on the board is actually something I would like to see adopted more by mainstream board manufacturers. Since gpus are getting so much longer it makes sense to let the mobo to start using a bit of that space that case manufacturers already leave for the gpu
I saw the original video of that build months before, and I was blown away by how flawless it looked. I never expected this build to appear in LTT. I wish builds like this can be produced for mainstream consumers at a more affordable price.
the DIY ape line is aready a small standard in china and has around 10 motherboards and similar numbers of supported cases from various manufacturers, so hopefully this trend picks up and goes global
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Agreed! For the amount of R&D and effort and custom manufacturing that had to go into that design, as well as the beefy and precision-machined parts, I think the price point is very reasonable. Very impressive little unit unlike anything I've seen with that hybrid open-air design and seemingly using the case itself as a heat sink for some passive cooling a bit like the CompuLab Airtops. Hopefully we see similar but more modular/upgradeable designs follow.
@@Kaparzo Given how much of our stuff is "Made in China", there is a good mix of good and bad out there. There is also stuff that seems only targeted towards the Asian market, for whatever reason. Exploring the tech markets in China, Japan and Taiwan can be interesting.
9:22 To avoid this, use "movflags=frag_keyframe+empty_moov" in the Custom Muxer settings, or use a format this is not MP4 or MOV (like MKV). MP4/MOV expect what is called a "MOOV atom" in the file, which contains all the metadata about the video, and the standard is to put it at the end of the file. If your recording gets interrupted somehow, that MOOV atom doesn't get written, causing most players and video editing software to have a difficult time opening it. (If you ever run into this issue and really need to recover the recording, try producing another one with the exact same settings, which can then be used by software like "untrunc" to build the MOOV atom for the broken file.) Using the specified muxer settings, ffmpeg (and thus OBS) will generate "fragmented" files, which means it will regularly store the metadata along with the fragments it is writing. (Though be warned that some software doesn't want to deal with fragmented files, but you can always re-mux them if needed and at least won't lose the entire recording on a crash.)
This is an impressively engineered case. Everything fits together so perfectly and looks so well integrated together. The price honestly isn't crazy considering the low volume and high level of machining needed to make each case.
with the amount of engineering, designing and machining...350 is basically a steal. i would not have been surprised if the case would have been double that. holy moly those tight fitments and tolerances. absolute respect.
Honestly? This lil man is so sleek. I GENERALLY won’t look at your reviews and be like: I need that. You win this time. I need this. I’m not a gamer, I do a TINY bit of graphic design (but mostly on my iPad), and generally just watch UA-cam/visit social media. A perfect, tiny machine.
The only downside to a small form factor is that if an intruder steals it, it's mobile enough so that you'll never see it again. No wonder it had to be so solid, a good offehsn is a good defense.
Whether you fight with it or chuck it into a bag, I'd be very worried over how likely you are to have the fans intact afterwards. Also, sticking objects into the fans or grabbing it absentmindedly might lead to unforseen consequences.
@09:40 "I don't know how they got rid of the heat"... Case is literally a giant heat sink... Anyways, that is definitely an interesting build. Beautiful even! The only thing that sucks, is you can't really "re-use" the case for another build.. I guess just stick it on a shelf as a cool decoration when it finally meets its end? or becomes obsolete?
The SFF community has been very interested in this case since it came out, but the way it only works with very specific components/motherboard has always been a roadblock. Still, looks super sick, and a lot of people have tried to copy it for other motherboard/CPU combos.
The motherboard form factor looks awesome. I can totally see this as cool inspiration and I would love to 3D print a case like this for the parts I have.
Important PSA: the gray powercon connector is for outputs, so if you plug it in the correct receptical, the metal prongs on the connector would be live Edit:typo
Yes BIG OH NO there and its also pretty shure not original neutrik. This could legit kill someone. (But fun fact Neutrik Powercon can go up to 20A and you shouldnt unplug it while powerd)
@@aurelbergkemper1302 normal powercon would also be fine, if they would use the correct side (although I agree that TRUE1 is the much better connector).
As I'm sure many have said before that's a white powerCON connector and the appropriate one should be blue. It's mainly inferred but I haven't seen anyone state it, they included the "appropriate" power cable which is effectively a male to male power cable or a "suicide cable". If this cable is plugged into the wrong thing (like the output of a light on the white end) it creates exposed live contacts that one can potentially electrocute themselves on! Edit: To fix this electrical safety costs around £10 GBP (Per unit) depending on suppliers as well as aesthetics
I appreciate finding this comment, I had the exact same reaction to the white powerCON, while I understand the aesthetic choice it does fall outside of the standard setout by Neutrik when designing the connecter. Still disapointed no PowerCON True1
I love everything about this. I love it so much. I'm so glad he sent you this. I literally tinker with my stuff so much that semi-open or open air has always made more sense for me so this is just so fun to see. I see this in my future. Thanks for featuring this.
That white connector is a PowerCon OUTLET connector, not inlet. They've supplied you with a male to male cable, which for most usual people wouldn't be noticed but can be very dangerous.
There's actually nothing wrong with cable, the only thing is that it should be blue. You're right that white is the colour of powercon thru, but the housing is correct.
when someone finally build a pc as tightly packed as a phone! using every millimeters he's got! and people wonder why we can't have phones that can have interchangeable parts, imagine having to change anything on this pc, it's a nightmare and phones are build with a tollerence of less than 0.1mm and more packed than this pc, you just have no space for interchangeability and soo few people would be able to do it them self that it's not worth it to produce it since a lot of those who would change parts on it, will also be able to change the parts as the phones are right now so the actual amount of people who would be able to change it and aren't already able to do it is so small
Ducting is such an understated design aspect for SFF especially. I've daily driven a Dan A4 for a few years now and the difference was monumental once I installed the noctua foam duct on the L9a low profile heatsink. The actual temps themselves didn't really drop all that much but the difference it made for keeping the flow of air consistent was super noticeable. The active cooling on the chipset used to ramp up all the time once air started recycling in the case and snowballing; and those little
That mobo PCB layout makes heaps of sense. It'd also let them do 5v/3.3v power conversion. You could potentially have an insanely compact even higher powered flex ATX 12VO PSU as a result. With m.2 expansion being such an important thing now, this form factor makes heaps of sense.
The formfactor and component placement make sense the issue is flex ATX PSUs aren't common and really to get one you probably have to print you own PCB. When you get into printing you own PCB you have gotten into company secrets for how intel or AMD connect to the motherboard electrically. Now if you had that as a open thing you would have many people just printing their own motherboard instead of having to make it fit the shape a motherboard manufacture made. Would it be more expensive to do it that way? Maybe depends on the design they use but for most it is normally done for size requirements are different from the standard.
@@yumri4 Power connections are not trade secrets. You know what voltages you need, just make a power supply that produces them. You might have to print a PCB for the PSU, but that's not nearly as difficult as a motherboard.
@@canadajones9635 I am talking about the traces from the CPU socket to the other components is the trade secrets. The power connector voltages have to be known by the consumer for it to be used.
This case is completely designed for this specific YTX motherboard and this asus 3060ti dual. And it costs huge because the case was CNC machined from a whole piece of aluminium, and that's why the case is named as For Fun. And that Ape guy really managed to design and popularize the standard of back connectors motherboards and cases together with MSI, ASUS, Maxsun, and case manufacturers SAMA, Jonsbo, aigo, Lianli. There are several back connectors motherboards and dozens of cases can be purchased on Chinese market. Hope to see more manufacturers available on market.
That power connector is called a PowerCON connector made by Neutrik. They're products are industry standard for event production. It's really cool to see one used in this way however its slightly upsetting because they used the white connectors instead of the blue connectors. The reason this matters is because white is supposed to mark a power output, and blue is to mark a power input. The purpose of this is for equipment that has both ports on it so you can daisy chain the power.
It's pretty cool to see Chinese companies go from extremely sketchy products to really nice products that are a bit rough on the edges now but the companies that produce the products today will be producing truly premium products in the next 10-20 years.
Up to the mid 70s, Japan was considered the make of cheap, low quality products, and it was mostly justified. There was a transit period of 5 years max, and then with companies like AIWA we started to see really high quality products that were not cheap anymore, but were a solid buy. I tried to say this before - do not deduce from the current sketchy state of Chinese quality that it will always be so. I', happy to see a top-quality product like that.
@@MoreLessTer China does final assembly for most things, but they usually don't design the products. Your iPhone might say "made in China" but not a single component or element was engineered there. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan have bigger roles in the iPhone production but since all the final parts were assembled together in China, it says made in china.
Love the idea of powercon for pc power input as its much more secure. 2 things that worry me is that 1, that white powercon is meant for OUTPUT so that is wrong, power con is not actually rated for a lot a power, 20 amp max, 15 recommend
@KILLERMOON CZ I was just estimating the start time, because it was a while before I commented on it. I closed and reopened youtube and it was a consistent desync.
HOLY SHIT the jump scare at the end with the sponsor spot being 4x the volume of the rest of the video. Soft subtle Linus ASMR about a PC **DELETE ME!** blows your ear drums out.
White powercon connectors are supposed to be outlet connectors (ie to supply power). In this application it should be the blue variant (which is keyed differently ). Very common issue with grey import products.
This motherboard is not even expensive in mainland China, it's a H610 chip. The design is base on cutting down the space under the first pcie slot on a convensional mATX motherboard to save cost, since your gpu will cover it anyway, and use the extra pcie link for m.2 on the side. The power delivery isn't very good (another spot to save cost) so the heatsink on the mos is actually essiential (unlike those on the highend motherboard). It price like a mATX board which cost 666 Chinese Yuan at launch (about $95) and you literally could buy multiple itx boards for that price. Sadly, although the screw hole is compatiable with any mATX cases, there are only few cases support the back-plugging system, the idea didn't really take off. Personally I really like the design philosophy behind it and I hope LTT's video will give this form factor a second change.
Those Neutrik powerCON connectors are fantastic, but they have selected the wrong ones for this application. the gray panel-mount connector on the PC is supposed to be an ‘outlet’, usually as mains passthrough on a piece of equipment, and gray cable-mount connector which mates with it is expected to be used on the Source side of any cable it’s fitted to. This cable should be destroyed immediately; while it will work perfectly safely with this PC, if it ends up in your warehouse and someone grabs it not knowing how wrong it is, they could plug it into any lights/equipment using correctly configured powerCON connectors and end up with the domestic plug end live at mains voltage. This is what electricians call a widow maker.
PowerCON!!! Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would see those outside of event/theatre tech space o-o but I'm all for it. Pleasant theatre geek aspect aside, this is actually a really neat build. Not something I would necessarily recommend to friends looking for small footprint builds, but the widened MoBo especially makes absolute sense. I would like to see the designer continue developing this line of thought and see where it can go. If it can hit a mass production (preferably with some fan covers to protect the fingies and kitty tails), I wouldn't be opposed to suggesting this as a prebuilt for someone in studio apartment.
who edited this video? Linus is whispering like a baby and suddenly Riley screams eardrum bursting sound to your headphones your sponsor's name. My ears still ring!
The editing in this video was hilarious, I love that even the editors have their own expression and humour in videos now. Top Tier Talent & Tech Tips ❤
I would actually love to see a duct modded system done by you guys! Maybe let Alex go all-out and design a case specifically for it. I run an NHD15 on a 13900K with no fans on the heatsink itself. There is a duct from my 140 mm intake fan and a 120 mm exhaust fan that are in a solid duct to it. The GPU also gets an airflow guide from the other front 140 mm fan.
This looks absolutely fantastic. I would freaking LOVE for a manufacturer to start making modular parts so we could build PC cases out of components, I think that'd be SO cool. Imagine something like this, only customizable. Or using your small PC case of your not-so-powerful machine and putting its parts into a new, bigger case, so you don't have to just completely get rid of the old one and pay for a full new case. Reusability and customization, baby!
Not exactly sure what you were saying, but as far as modular.... InWin has that "case" that is "modular", purchase which modules you want, then you pick the layout.
it's really awesome that they have B-roll of the individual parts afterwards to show everything linus is mentioning or talking about really helps with seeing and understanding, better than if they showed him pointing inside the case where you barely see it from the camera
Funnily enough, even when using what appear to be genuine Neutrik connectors they still use the wrong one (Grey should bs used for power outlet from a device, blue should be for power input)
This is honestly a great way to build a PC and I would love it if the manifacturer would make more of those and if they were better for upgradability even if it would make it more difficult to create and probably cost more
This sort of content is why LTT is amazing,i love the unique and bizarre items they find to have a look at and share with us,Fantastic custom little system there,I think if they changed the ram for White Corsair LPX modules which are less taller than those Lexar Modules it would look even better!
14:58 if you see this Linus, while subtractive production does throw out lots of perfectly good metal, it is a very good production process and most fabricators re use their shavings
to clarify, the SFF case is called the ForFun02 Pro or FF-02 PRO which is visible near the top at 2:01 . it's a bespoke case to this specific mobo and GPU combo. the heatsinks with the DIY-APE branding are the "model" of this, it's not exactly a custom motherboard but rather developed concurrently with the case designer by maxsun. there's a chinese creator on UA-cam that has a full ASMR build guide, it shows them installing all of the aftermarket bits, and it looks like a fun build.
Funny story, Linus turned the unit on in the video at the same time my neighbor started trimming their hedges, so for half a second I thought the electric hedge trimmer was the sound of the case fans.
Making YTX an official unofficial standard would make so much sense, though that spot has a tendency to become the PSU spot in lots of cases. Possibly could be really good for a YTX12VO standard, since the motherboard needs do PSU duty anyway.
They could maintain a list of suitable GPUs and sell those different U-shaped side panels to accommodate the shrouds. But let's face it, you get to that level of specifics and your market size goes to near zero. But it's such an awesome design!
Not to mention they have no dust screen. Within a year, the entire inside of that already overcrowded and overheating interior is going to be choking on a layer of dust
@@trapical Thats why you clean it out once in a while.. like your house or your car or anything else you own. The panels seemed easy enough to take off and theres not much that needs to be air dusted. A year is way too long to not clean your PC out.
I really want to buy this! This is the coolest looking small PC I’ve ever seen. Also the milled case really hits home since I’m an engineer who started out as a guy in a shop who did cnc milling. Is there an option to buy it from him? I could even arrange a shipping adress in China due to my company and that a employee takes it home to Europe. No shipping anxiety needed!
Feel like the YTX, hopefully if it becomes more common, motherboards and similar style cases may be the saving grace of SFF cases looking at this thing. Beautiful look to it, very small, I love the semi exposed parts. A different version of this style could probably support even some of the newer GPUs from the 40 series which almost all are absolute bricks, just make the case a bit longer.
those power connectors are Neutrik powerCONs, iirc. they have connectors for xlr, rj-45, fiber and sdi in that same locking form factor.
Is it just me or are they using the wrong gender?
Despite the possibility of them sourcing white power input chassis mounts, the twist goes the wrong way for power input, meaning they've used an output mount for power in. Right?
@@simoncox9349 you are correct the blue connector should be used for input while the white connector is used for output for daisy chaining multiple devises to one power cord. Probably did it for Aesthetic purposes.
@@simoncox9349 The color problem of powerCON is actually considered to look good with the color of the Case, so the blue one is not used.
AFAIK PowerCon, PowerTwist (aka TR1) and SpeakOn (for powered audio signal) are the only twist locking connector from Neutrik. Other connectors (XLR, RJ45 aka EtherCon, etc.) have simple latch mechanism
@@CieMaKat could be, I haven't touched any of them in years.
Wait, 350 dollars? I was 100% ready for the price of the case to be over 1000
why and how is the case even sold seperately though... :/
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 most likely logistics. They are coming from different manufacturers, so having to intake, assemble, repackage, store, ship, etc is just going to drive up cost and be a headache for something that is a small batch passion project.
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 Aside from the choice of GPU(maybe some of the new SFF 4060s can also fit), all motherboards will be able to fit in perfectly, just the cable routing would be a pain for front I/O motherboards, that's it. Since the extra space on the right side of the YTX motherboard would be absent for regular ITX motherboards, there should be enough room for cable management, but it just won't be pretty.
i was betting around 5000!
@@kyzh99610 My daughter has an Asus Dual 3070 that would probably fit in it.
The increased width on the board is actually something I would like to see adopted more by mainstream board manufacturers. Since gpus are getting so much longer it makes sense to let the mobo to start using a bit of that space that case manufacturers already leave for the gpu
So … like Eatx?
Also many cases aren’t compatible with the wider motherboards but can still leave room for the gpu.
I always thought the Shuttle XPC motherboard format was awesome basically YTX or as I called it E-ITX
@@robertt9342 That's still ATX. We need like EITX or something
I saw the original video of that build months before, and I was blown away by how flawless it looked. I never expected this build to appear in LTT. I wish builds like this can be produced for mainstream consumers at a more affordable price.
Same, saw the original build video and thought that the concept is amazing
Very unlikely. The economy of scale would be incredibly hard to hit.
That thing is freaking gorgeous.
@@DrakeTain There are other ways to lower unit cost besides scale up
Foni channel right?
the DIY ape line is aready a small standard in china and has around 10 motherboards and similar numbers of supported cases from various manufacturers, so hopefully this trend picks up and goes global
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bro thank you so much for this
OBS even warns about this when selecting MP4 as the recording format, so it's on them for not reading.
@@TheAnoniemoagreed. Didnt know however OBS had its oen conversion tool so thats good to know
@@TheAnoniemo my brain only make me read the first one that told it's not recoverable. i feel so dumb after idk how many years now lol.
@@Mohenjo_Daro_ oh thats easy to answer.
Apple thats why.
Apple doesnt support mkv in any of its suite programs
Major kudos to the designer. I frankly wouldn't mind that it isn't upgradable. It's an awesome little package and is ridiculously easy to move.
Exposed fans basically nullify that "easy to move" strength of SFF. It's cool looking. That's about it.
@@sntslilhlpr6601 It wouldn't be difficult to make a small carry bag or something for it...
@@sntslilhlpr6601 Literally just put it in a plastic bag or something else free of dust, and you can now move it around easily.
@@sntslilhlpr6601 put a grill on it
Thanks for liking my works.
The engineering on that thing is amazing. Hats off to the designer, really excellent work.
Agreed! For the amount of R&D and effort and custom manufacturing that had to go into that design, as well as the beefy and precision-machined parts, I think the price point is very reasonable. Very impressive little unit unlike anything I've seen with that hybrid open-air design and seemingly using the case itself as a heat sink for some passive cooling a bit like the CompuLab Airtops. Hopefully we see similar but more modular/upgradeable designs follow.
100% CAD
Nice to see this kind of Made in China products!
@@Kaparzo Given how much of our stuff is "Made in China", there is a good mix of good and bad out there. There is also stuff that seems only targeted towards the Asian market, for whatever reason. Exploring the tech markets in China, Japan and Taiwan can be interesting.
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9:22 To avoid this, use "movflags=frag_keyframe+empty_moov" in the Custom Muxer settings, or use a format this is not MP4 or MOV (like MKV). MP4/MOV expect what is called a "MOOV atom" in the file, which contains all the metadata about the video, and the standard is to put it at the end of the file. If your recording gets interrupted somehow, that MOOV atom doesn't get written, causing most players and video editing software to have a difficult time opening it. (If you ever run into this issue and really need to recover the recording, try producing another one with the exact same settings, which can then be used by software like "untrunc" to build the MOOV atom for the broken file.) Using the specified muxer settings, ffmpeg (and thus OBS) will generate "fragmented" files, which means it will regularly store the metadata along with the fragments it is writing. (Though be warned that some software doesn't want to deal with fragmented files, but you can always re-mux them if needed and at least won't lose the entire recording on a crash.)
bro, thank you for this comment. No one can explains better. I'll try to recover my old broken videos.
That's why I always record in MKV. just incase of some sort of crash or failure, it won't ruin my recording.
Yeah, super good comment. mkv is my goto
I've used untrunc to recover footage off a friends drone. It's not surefire but it's worth a shot.
Seconded on using untrunc. It fixes this glaring deficiency in MP4/MOV. I've recovered many dashcam recordings this way.
This is an impressively engineered case. Everything fits together so perfectly and looks so well integrated together. The price honestly isn't crazy considering the low volume and high level of machining needed to make each case.
The parts of this case are fully CNC Unibody. The price is crazy low
It's not made for profit.
This case is absolutely stunning. It looked like each case panel was single block aluminium. I would buy it in a heartbeat if I had the spare cash.
I love how it looks like a cassette player.
Me and every old timer: Absolutely!
All the Gen-Z :
Modern boom box confirmed.
I was just about to say the same thing, 100% looks like a cassette tape
@@ms3862it's basically a shell containing magnetic tape that stores music/audio, video, data, etc.
@@3polygons some of us are gen x
with the amount of engineering, designing and machining...350 is basically a steal. i would not have been surprised if the case would have been double that.
holy moly those tight fitments and tolerances. absolute respect.
The problem is definitely availability not price lol😊
寄到美国的话估计得1000刀😂太重了物流按重量收费，但机加工在中国相对来说比较便宜
I like that Linus has been seemingly filming from home more often lately. Really cool case.
Honestly? This lil man is so sleek. I GENERALLY won’t look at your reviews and be like: I need that.
You win this time. I need this. I’m not a gamer, I do a TINY bit of graphic design (but mostly on my iPad), and generally just watch UA-cam/visit social media. A perfect, tiny machine.
The design feels straight out of a 80's/90's movie for something futuristic. Love it! Plus that case looks solid enough to fight off intruders.
Or just chuck into a bag
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The only downside to a small form factor is that if an intruder steals it, it's mobile enough so that you'll never see it again. No wonder it had to be so solid, a good offehsn is a good defense.
Whether you fight with it or chuck it into a bag, I'd be very worried over how likely you are to have the fans intact afterwards. Also, sticking objects into the fans or grabbing it absentmindedly might lead to unforseen consequences.
I was thinking it's something Doc Brown might attach to a DeLorean.
5:41 either it's just me or there's some editing mismatched with the video and audio.
The audio on this video goes totally out of sync for me at 5:39, weird.
Man that custom motherboard form factor makes so much sense. Hope we see more of those in the future.
@09:40
"I don't know how they got rid of the heat"...
Case is literally a giant heat sink...
Anyways, that is definitely an interesting build. Beautiful even!
The only thing that sucks, is you can't really "re-use" the case for another build..
I guess just stick it on a shelf as a cool decoration when it finally meets its end? or becomes obsolete?
Matpat jumpscare at 4:31
I love how retro-futuristic it looks! Looks like a PC that belongs on a small personal spaceship. I'd love to have one!
Mac mini?
@@zzzyyy5034 A Mac Mini for games tho? 🤢
The SFF community has been very interested in this case since it came out, but the way it only works with very specific components/motherboard has always been a roadblock. Still, looks super sick, and a lot of people have tried to copy it for other motherboard/CPU combos.
linus p*rn tips
shame it doesnt come with fan screens lol
Xikii also doing cool stuff in the mechanical keyboard space
What's the volume of it?
The motherboard form factor looks awesome. I can totally see this as cool inspiration and I would love to 3D print a case like this for the parts I have.
So glad you guys finally got your hands on these pc's, been watching them being put together over on the youtube channel foni
3:57 to 4:32
Editor: Thank you for this, closest I think we’ll ever get to a LTT x GT collab. I rewatched this a few times just for the lols
Audio seems to be completely desynced from the video at 5:30
Important PSA: the gray powercon connector is for outputs, so if you plug it in the correct receptical, the metal prongs on the connector would be live
Edit:typo
Yes BIG OH NO there and its also pretty shure not original neutrik. This could legit kill someone. (But fun fact Neutrik Powercon can go up to 20A and you shouldnt unplug it while powerd)
Literally came here to say this. It has literally shipped with a male to male power connector. Super dangerous.
Same. That's just dangerous. Also not for hot disconnects
Glad somebody mentions this. They should have used powercon True1
@@aurelbergkemper1302 normal powercon would also be fine, if they would use the correct side (although I agree that TRUE1 is the much better connector).
As I'm sure many have said before that's a white powerCON connector and the appropriate one should be blue. It's mainly inferred but I haven't seen anyone state it, they included the "appropriate" power cable which is effectively a male to male power cable or a "suicide cable". If this cable is plugged into the wrong thing (like the output of a light on the white end) it creates exposed live contacts that one can potentially electrocute themselves on!
Edit: To fix this electrical safety costs around £10 GBP (Per unit) depending on suppliers as well as aesthetics
I immediately cringed when I saw the grey 'outlet' powercon used for the inlet.
@@aonomus Beeing a lighting guy, i was shaking seeing this...
I appreciate finding this comment, I had the exact same reaction to the white powerCON, while I understand the aesthetic choice it does fall outside of the standard setout by Neutrik when designing the connecter. Still disapointed no PowerCON True1
Are they saying gay sex is suicide?
white power is racist
I love everything about this.
I love it so much.
I'm so glad he sent you this.
I literally tinker with my stuff so much that semi-open or open air has always made more sense for me so this is just so fun to see.
I see this in my future. Thanks for featuring this.
The YTX form factor is actually so genius and I just cant wrap my head around why other manufacturers never made thier own version before
why is the audio so awfully desynced from the video itself at around 6:00?
That white connector is a PowerCon OUTLET connector, not inlet. They've supplied you with a male to male cable, which for most usual people wouldn't be noticed but can be very dangerous.
glad I'm not the only one noticing this
I came here to say this 😂
Lol. I bought a homemade male to male 'extension cord' for power outlets from a flea market to protect randos from starting a fire once.
China finds regulations to be optional. :P
There's actually nothing wrong with cable, the only thing is that it should be blue. You're right that white is the colour of powercon thru, but the housing is correct.
does the audio go out of sync for anyone else?
when someone finally build a pc as tightly packed as a phone! using every millimeters he's got!
and people wonder why we can't have phones that can have interchangeable parts, imagine having to change anything on this pc, it's a nightmare and phones are build with a tollerence of less than 0.1mm and more packed than this pc, you just have no space for interchangeability and soo few people would be able to do it them self that it's not worth it to produce it since a lot of those who would change parts on it, will also be able to change the parts as the phones are right now so the actual amount of people who would be able to change it and aren't already able to do it is so small
Ducting is such an understated design aspect for SFF especially.
I've daily driven a Dan A4 for a few years now and the difference was monumental once I installed the noctua foam duct on the L9a low profile heatsink. The actual temps themselves didn't really drop all that much but the difference it made for keeping the flow of air consistent was super noticeable. The active cooling on the chipset used to ramp up all the time once air started recycling in the case and snowballing; and those little
Anyone else notice the audio outpacing the video at just over 5:30 mark
It actually keeps happening a lot for the rest of the video.
@@TheTLProductions12 Yeah it seems to start from about 5:38 then goes the rest of the video. I just skipped through this one as its hella annoying.
That mobo PCB layout makes heaps of sense.
It'd also let them do 5v/3.3v power conversion.
You could potentially have an insanely compact even higher powered flex ATX 12VO PSU as a result.
With m.2 expansion being such an important thing now, this form factor makes heaps of sense.
The formfactor and component placement make sense the issue is flex ATX PSUs aren't common and really to get one you probably have to print you own PCB. When you get into printing you own PCB you have gotten into company secrets for how intel or AMD connect to the motherboard electrically. Now if you had that as a open thing you would have many people just printing their own motherboard instead of having to make it fit the shape a motherboard manufacture made. Would it be more expensive to do it that way? Maybe depends on the design they use but for most it is normally done for size requirements are different from the standard.
@@yumri4 Power connections are not trade secrets. You know what voltages you need, just make a power supply that produces them. You might have to print a PCB for the PSU, but that's not nearly as difficult as a motherboard.
@@canadajones9635 I am talking about the traces from the CPU socket to the other components is the trade secrets. The power connector voltages have to be known by the consumer for it to be used.
Just imagine all the different colors you could anodize this in. Looks awesome.
Was thinking a purple and greeen Gundam style. So many amazing designs come to mind
Eva-01 themed
This case is completely designed for this specific YTX motherboard and this asus 3060ti dual. And it costs huge because the case was CNC machined from a whole piece of aluminium, and that's why the case is named as For Fun.
And that Ape guy really managed to design and popularize the standard of back connectors motherboards and cases together with MSI, ASUS, Maxsun, and case manufacturers SAMA, Jonsbo, aigo, Lianli. There are several back connectors motherboards and dozens of cases can be purchased on Chinese market. Hope to see more manufacturers available on market.
That power connector is called a PowerCON connector made by Neutrik. They're products are industry standard for event production. It's really cool to see one used in this way however its slightly upsetting because they used the white connectors instead of the blue connectors. The reason this matters is because white is supposed to mark a power output, and blue is to mark a power input. The purpose of this is for equipment that has both ports on it so you can daisy chain the power.
Audio and Video lose sync halfway through the video. Anyone else? I checked 2 devices and same thing
Not just me then! Also checked on two browsers. Starts going off sync at about 5.40. Looks like it's only happened recently.
It's pretty cool to see Chinese companies go from extremely sketchy products to really nice products that are a bit rough on the edges now but the companies that produce the products today will be producing truly premium products in the next 10-20 years.
Up to the mid 70s, Japan was considered the make of cheap, low quality products, and it was mostly justified. There was a transit period of 5 years max, and then with companies like AIWA we started to see really high quality products that were not cheap anymore, but were a solid buy. I tried to say this before - do not deduce from the current sketchy state of Chinese quality that it will always be so. I', happy to see a top-quality product like that.
sketchy chinese products are so 5-10 years ago bro 😂
I still would never trust them.
Funny of people to call anything out of China sketchy while browsing the internet on techs that is mostly if not all 100% made in China.
@@MoreLessTer China does final assembly for most things, but they usually don't design the products.
Your iPhone might say "made in China" but not a single component or element was engineered there. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan have bigger roles in the iPhone production but since all the final parts were assembled together in China, it says made in china.
Love the idea of powercon for pc power input as its much more secure. 2 things that worry me is that 1, that white powercon is meant for OUTPUT so that is wrong, power con is not actually rated for a lot a power, 20 amp max, 15 recommend
15 amp on 120v is 1800 W, which for the meantime is plenty for a pc. on 220v outside the US the max power draw would be double this.
C14 has similar UL rating, less in the rest of the world .
Now, _this_ is a mini-PC. Whoever designed this did a fantastic job. If they can figure out how to solve the GPU upgradability issue, it'd be better.
2:56 that plug is AU/NZ too
anyone else have issue with audio out of sync?
Why is no one mentioning video and audio are out of sync sin min 5:39? Is it just me?
Pretty bad audio desync starting around 6:30
Considering no one else comments on it, and for me it starts at 5:30 something, it seems local, and I had issue with youtube lately.
@KILLERMOON CZ I was just estimating the start time, because it was a while before I commented on it. I closed and reopened youtube and it was a consistent desync.
HOLY SHIT the jump scare at the end with the sponsor spot being 4x the volume of the rest of the video.
Soft subtle Linus ASMR about a PC
**DELETE ME!** blows your ear drums out.
The motherboard reminds me a lot of what Shuttle used to put into their SFF cases - basically a longer ITX. I loved that motherboard form factor.
Anyone else getting audio not properly synchronized with the video from 5:37 ?
audio out of syyyync, holy crap how is this not the only comment, other than the case is niche and pretty looking
White powercon connectors are supposed to be outlet connectors (ie to supply power). In this application it should be the blue variant (which is keyed differently ). Very common issue with grey import products.
This motherboard is not even expensive in mainland China, it's a H610 chip. The design is base on cutting down the space under the first pcie slot on a convensional mATX motherboard to save cost, since your gpu will cover it anyway, and use the extra pcie link for m.2 on the side. The power delivery isn't very good (another spot to save cost) so the heatsink on the mos is actually essiential (unlike those on the highend motherboard). It price like a mATX board which cost 666 Chinese Yuan at launch (about $95) and you literally could buy multiple itx boards for that price. Sadly, although the screw hole is compatiable with any mATX cases, there are only few cases support the back-plugging system, the idea didn't really take off. Personally I really like the design philosophy behind it and I hope LTT's video will give this form factor a second change.
Omg, just realised how out of sync the audio was
the audio is out of sync
Those Neutrik powerCON connectors are fantastic, but they have selected the wrong ones for this application. the gray panel-mount connector on the PC is supposed to be an ‘outlet’, usually as mains passthrough on a piece of equipment, and gray cable-mount connector which mates with it is expected to be used on the Source side of any cable it’s fitted to. This cable should be destroyed immediately; while it will work perfectly safely with this PC, if it ends up in your warehouse and someone grabs it not knowing how wrong it is, they could plug it into any lights/equipment using correctly configured powerCON connectors and end up with the domestic plug end live at mains voltage. This is what electricians call a widow maker.
PowerCON!!! Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would see those outside of event/theatre tech space o-o but I'm all for it. Pleasant theatre geek aspect aside, this is actually a really neat build. Not something I would necessarily recommend to friends looking for small footprint builds, but the widened MoBo especially makes absolute sense. I would like to see the designer continue developing this line of thought and see where it can go. If it can hit a mass production (preferably with some fan covers to protect the fingies and kitty tails), I wouldn't be opposed to suggesting this as a prebuilt for someone in studio apartment.
who edited this video? Linus is whispering like a baby and suddenly Riley screams eardrum bursting sound to your headphones your sponsor's name. My ears still ring!
i can't tell if its jsut me but the video has a very visible audio video out of sync moment starting from 6 mins in
That motherboard design is genius.
the design of the whole thing is genius
is the audio out of sync for anyone else?
The editing in this video was hilarious, I love that even the editors have their own expression and humour in videos now. Top Tier Talent & Tech Tips ❤
Whoever edited the video, made this video infinitely more entertaining. (I wish they were credited in the description)
I would actually love to see a duct modded system done by you guys! Maybe let Alex go all-out and design a case specifically for it. I run an NHD15 on a 13900K with no fans on the heatsink itself. There is a duct from my 140 mm intake fan and a 120 mm exhaust fan that are in a solid duct to it. The GPU also gets an airflow guide from the other front 140 mm fan.
This looks absolutely fantastic. I would freaking LOVE for a manufacturer to start making modular parts so we could build PC cases out of components, I think that'd be SO cool. Imagine something like this, only customizable.
Or using your small PC case of your not-so-powerful machine and putting its parts into a new, bigger case, so you don't have to just completely get rid of the old one and pay for a full new case. Reusability and customization, baby!
Not exactly sure what you were saying, but as far as modular.... InWin has that "case" that is "modular", purchase which modules you want, then you pick the layout.
Reusability means you won't be buying our new stuff as much so we won't do this. Kind regards
Also, getting rid of wires... If only there were a reasonable standard
4:25 but thats just a theory, a motherboard theory!
it's really awesome that they have B-roll of the individual parts afterwards to show everything linus is mentioning or talking about
really helps with seeing and understanding, better than if they showed him pointing inside the case where you barely see it from the camera
I like the nod to film theory at 4:01 nice job editors!
the editor on this video did such a good job. Loved the tech theorie and "it was not fine" edits
audio desync from like 5:00 onward?
so when motherbaord video? 🤔
BTW NICE VIDEO 👍
That's one of the best looking PCs I've seen in years. Wow still watching, awaiting the price eagerly
Anyone else catch the subtitle hinting at the new channel name?? TECH Theory 3:55
I lied theres another channel called Tech Theory…
Funnily enough, even when using what appear to be genuine Neutrik connectors they still use the wrong one (Grey should bs used for power outlet from a device, blue should be for power input)
Stage lighting has so many connectors, i'm just surprised they used powecon out instead of powercon in for the connector
Guess because it's white as opposed to blue.. but highly dangerous and illegal to use it like that
I got a baby delivered by my "wife" i was not expecting that so i left
Factual i would too
Wait, so that was even an option?
Probably not the colour you wanted
@@PenjaminFranklin420 kk
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This is honestly a great way to build a PC and I would love it if the manifacturer would make more of those and if they were better for upgradability even if it would make it more difficult to create and probably cost more
That plug would also work in Australia, so when you're done with the computer you can just send it to me 😘
This sort of content is why LTT is amazing,i love the unique and bizarre items they find to have a look at and share with us,Fantastic custom little system there,I think if they changed the ram for White Corsair LPX modules which are less taller than those Lexar Modules it would look even better!
The video desyncs at the 5th chapter for some reason
Is it just me, that the Audio is Async for like half of the video?
14:58 if you see this Linus, while subtractive production does throw out lots of perfectly good metal, it is a very good production process and most fabricators re use their shavings
That computer looks pretty sick honestly. Dude has talent and a good eye for design.
to clarify, the SFF case is called the ForFun02 Pro or FF-02 PRO which is visible near the top at 2:01 .
it's a bespoke case to this specific mobo and GPU combo. the heatsinks with the DIY-APE branding are the "model" of this, it's not exactly a custom motherboard but rather developed concurrently with the case designer by maxsun. there's a chinese creator on UA-cam that has a full ASMR build guide, it shows them installing all of the aftermarket bits, and it looks like a fun build.
ua-cam.com/video/gMkQPIji08E/v-deo.html
that wonderful, but what;s the youtbuer channel name lol.
@@4thofjuly395 ua-cam.com/video/gMkQPIji08E/v-deo.html&pp=ygUEZm9uaQ%3D%3D
@@4thofjuly395 www.youtube.com/@user-lf4js8rf2x/videos
Is the audio way off sync for anyone else?
Not just me then! Also checked on two browsers. Starts going off sync at about 5.40. Looks like it's only happened recently.
Yes
I really hope this form factor catch up.
It seems absolutely perfect for gaming or editing small form factor.
Funny story, Linus turned the unit on in the video at the same time my neighbor started trimming their hedges, so for half a second I thought the electric hedge trimmer was the sound of the case fans.
If this were how small form factor PCs were usually built, I would have been a fanboy for decades now. Nicely done.
Making YTX an official unofficial standard would make so much sense, though that spot has a tendency to become the PSU spot in lots of cases. Possibly could be really good for a YTX12VO standard, since the motherboard needs do PSU duty anyway.
2:30 Thats THE wrong version of THE powercon connector that is a output powercon. THE correct one should be blue for input power
It works, and they used it in reverse for white PC female connector. At least my guess and I think Im 100% correct as it is whole white/silver
They could maintain a list of suitable GPUs and sell those different U-shaped side panels to accommodate the shrouds. But let's face it, you get to that level of specifics and your market size goes to near zero. But it's such an awesome design!
anybody else see how prepared for the package to fly into his face? barely even flinched, didn't move, its like he's robot, in fact he probably is
Linus, I've seen you do some crazy stuff with some crazy computers over the years.
This one is definitely the craziest. This was awesome.
Sound is completely off after a while... 6:21 Can't watch, so triggering.
#1 thing that most worries me about this is that the fans are completely exposed and adding in my own could very well ruin the look of the case
Not to mention they have no dust screen. Within a year, the entire inside of that already overcrowded and overheating interior is going to be choking on a layer of dust
@@trapical Thats why you clean it out once in a while.. like your house or your car or anything else you own. The panels seemed easy enough to take off and theres not much that needs to be air dusted. A year is way too long to not clean your PC out.
@@trapical it's just the nature of ultra sff PC in general
Audio sync issues?
I really want to buy this!
This is the coolest looking small PC I’ve ever seen.
Also the milled case really hits home since I’m an engineer who started out as a guy in a shop who did cnc milling.
Is there an option to buy it from him?
I could even arrange a shipping adress in China due to my company and that a employee takes it home to Europe. No shipping anxiety needed!
Thanks for liking my works.
This is what a PC should look like in 2023. That we're still building in gigantic cases where 90% of the space is empty is so wasteful.
Feel like the YTX, hopefully if it becomes more common, motherboards and similar style cases may be the saving grace of SFF cases looking at this thing. Beautiful look to it, very small, I love the semi exposed parts. A different version of this style could probably support even some of the newer GPUs from the 40 series which almost all are absolute bricks, just make the case a bit longer.