Civilization V - Part 2 - The Republic of Jonopolis
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Civilization V continues, as we found our first new city, get to know the neighbours, and run into some slight financial difficulties...
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That poor pillaged farm was burning for 680 years straight...
"There is definitely no slavery here!"
"Do we really have to pay our workers?"
Jon pls.
Jon is so confident that all of these terrible decisions were the right ones! I suppose we all made the same ones originally.
Everything will go swimmingly. I am certain my decisions are all brilliant. Probably. Maybe.
I wish you all the best. I'm no expert, but I'll just say it's good you're playing on "Prince" :)
When possible you should heal your units in your borders. Outside of your borders they heal +10 per turn, inside of your borders they heal +25 per turn. Also you cannot heal AND move in the same turn without a specific high level promotion. Also BUILD A MINE ON THE SILVER!
Wrong, inside boarders of your own, they heal 20, 25 in cities
Okay, if I am not completely wrong, here's some advice:
You really, really, really have to get your cities growing as fast as possible.
That was the case since the very first Civilization.
So if you see something that gives you free food production in your city without wasting any of your pops - go for it.
In this case it's the granary.
That is the *absolutely very first thing* that has to be built in ANY city in ANY epoch since Civ I.
It ensures that your city does not stagnate unless you settled in a totally unproductive spot.
Remember: stagnation is baaad. Not as baaaaaaaad as starvation, but close.
Next: roads are very very useful, even for a very early civ. It allows your units additional moves.
Additional moves allow you faster access to the resources you need as your workers don't need that much time to get there.
Additional resources means faster growth.
Also, additional moves allow you to settle faster, at greater distances, and earlier than any other civ.
Earlier settlements again mean more culture, more income, more everything, generally, than the rest of the civs.
That more or less sums up my playstyle since Civ I.
It never failed me, not even during the hardest settings of the earlier games.
The day before Jon's first Civ V video, I watched someone get a scientific victory on turn 196, 1360AD, on Deity difficulty.
Then I saw Jon play this for the first time.
It's like watching Man Vs Wild in the same room as an arachnophobic throwing shoes at a spider on the wall, except the arachaphobe is a lot happier with their accomplisment.
Honestly, I'm having a lot more fun watching the shoe throwing myself.
and here I am watching Jon play and thinking about how much more he is micro-managing things than I ever did and being pretty impressed lol. If he is a shoe thrower, what am I?
wanna share that other playthrough?
For reference, man vs wild is incredibly bad if you have any survival context.
especialy against dual survival back in the day with cody lundin , bear grills is nothing compared to cody in terms of skills
"How bad is starvation really?" Jon is a great leader.
"Why should you vote me for president?! Because dear citizens, I'm going to make you all starve."
Build a mine on the silver! You'll solve the money problem straight away!
Literally yelling this at the screen whenever he moves a worker down there.
A Greek financial crisis, didn't see that coming...
JON! 8 things you need to know:
1: Technologies link together, look at the white lines in the tech tree.
2: City states are only annoyed if you end a turn in their land.
3: Units heal faster inside friendly territory.
4: The farms are better near water, hence why it recommended farms on the hills.
5: Units can be put into a multi-turn move. Really handy to cover known ground/friendly ground.
6: Religion is strongest in the early game. Later it becomes meh.
7: It was the jungle that made the food with the chocolate (although we all know chocolate is awesome)
8: The pyramid was made by workers! Only citizens could get the honor to work with the pyramids goddamnit!!
6: _Religion is strongest in the early game. Later it becomes __-meh-_ the key to almost all victories. With _Tradition_ completed (which would've been my recom) you can faith-purchase engineers to power-build modern wonders.. ;)
I still miss Civ 3's city view. Nothing quite beat watching a city grow and change as you added buildings. Not to mention building your own palace
By the way Jon, this might be helpful later in this game, so remember this: Shift+Enter ends the turn immediately (it will start becoming very useful when you have a lot of units you don't want to move and the game always wants you to before making new turn).
Now that's useful.
It really is. It actually came with a patch, it wasn't implemented in the base game. I was playing the game before that patch and had to mash Space to skip every single unit I didn't want to move before making a turn, which was pretty painful since I had a military nation and had a ton of units scattered all over the world.
thanks, this has been driving me insane for a while..same with the random unit switching, flying across the map :L
MATN-"There's no real point building monuments anyway."
Me-*cringe*
I was yelling at the screen when Jon said how stupid it would be to build a farm on that hill next to the river.
To be honest I don't build farms on hills even if they are next to rivers (unless I am playing as the Inca with their terrace farms).
Everybody has their own playstyle. I always play small and tall so I try to max my food to get pops growing as fast as possible. I usually get more use out of farms on hill/river tiles than I do mines because I've usually got so many tiles being worked that all the incidental production adds up to more than I really need.
that hurts soooo much
Ehh, he's new, whaddya expect.
Okay so a few things to help
1) Your troops heal faster in your Sphere of Influence
2) Caravans both make money and can transfer food or production
3) Pottery -> Animal Husbandry -> The Wheel so you can Shrine -> Caravan -> Roads
I am loving watching you play though.
Silver only requires mining. Quarries are only for stone and marble. You can get that Silver mine up and running for more gold. Also, i recommend you get a trade route going for more gold.
Read your comment very carefully. You'll see how hilarious it is Eventually lol
Every single time you said road, I kept thinking 'has he even discovered those yet?'
Hey Jon, your units heal faster in your territory, additionally your units will only get your science advancements (such as embarking on water) once they have returned to your borders to collect the new technology.
Secondly wonders are amazing, they cost no maintenance and they give a huge boost. Personally I feel you should have built Stonehenge while you had the chance to give you a decent early game boost.
Jon, I highly recommend focusing on science, a good rule of thumb is to have 100 science per turn by turn 100
also get rid of some workers to save money, you don't need that many this early, keep 1 for jonopolis and 1-2 for athens
"There's no point in building a monument or a granary."
Jon pls
Just a few tips: Units heal twice as fast if they're in your territory. It's fine if you annoy city states for the most part because Greece's benefit is that they forgive you pretty quickly, once you're friends or allies with them you can move through their territory without any negative effects. Shipping food or production doesn't actually reduce the food or production output in either city, it just appears.
Jon, NEVER EVER let your cities stagnate, if the cities aren't growing then you're setting yourself up to be super weak later in the game. Early on, your biggest focus has to be food, and build caravans to fix your economy
Some tips Jon:
1) Upgrade tiles you are working first, you built two mines that you aren't even using while not upgrading the Silver resource you had active the whole time.
2) Heal units inside your own territory. Units heal 10HP per turn outside your territory, 20HP inside, and 30HP in a city.
3) Look ahead at researches. Keeping your research even through each tree is going to hold you back, look at something you really want to focus on.
4) Farms on Hills near rivers are great, you want lots of food. More food = more pops = more resources.
Other than that you are doing pretty well for you first recorded game.
Some random infos:
*) A city can work tiles up to 3 spaces away, so keeping that in mind when picking where to place cities is helpful.
*) Cities on rivers can build extra buildings, cities on flat ground can build windmills eventually, cities on the coast can build several sea specific buildings. These are all things to keep in mind when picking where to build new cities.
Looking forward to more!
Also the reason you are low on gold is you have too many workers. All units have an upkeep, you only really need # of Cities + 1 workers for early game, they will have nothing to do later, so overloading on workers isn't as useful.
If it helps Jon, in Civilization VI Greece is being led by Pericles
Now THAT'S better.
but to an extent, Alexander's Macedonian empire was Greek. The Macedon of now is not the Macedon of then. the Macedon of then was northern Greece
Speaking as a Greek, both Greece and what today is Macedonia consider great Alexander part of our cloture, the big difference is that great Alexander's Macedonia was Greek, while today's Macedonians are not Greek, they're Slavs. So technically speaking great Alexander is a logical Greek leader choice, it just depends to who you ask if that claim is gonna start an argument or not
Jon is playing amazingly well for his first game of Civ ever.
why not call your capital Jonstantinopal?
Because that's nobody's business but the Turks.
I think you should call all your cities Alexandria and one should be Bucephalos
+Many A True Nerd *slow clap*
This. This is one of the best thing I've seen here in the comments in a long while.
Jonstanbul?
Your commenting is just awesome, keep up the good work! I'm really only a Fallout player, but I started watching this for the commenting alone. You mentioning Alexander's Macedonian origin shows a great depth.
Edit: I read comments about you playing too slowly, but I'm luckily also a noob at Civilization 5, so I didn't really notice that....I guess a 6 years old game will have a great number of experienced players watching, but I'm not one of them.
1. City states only get annoyed if you end a turn with a military unit in their territory.
2. The reason the advisors recommended a farm on the hill is because it's next to a river which would have given it extra food with civil service.
3. You decreased the food and increased the gold on your cocoa by chopping the jungle.
4. You don't need a technology to see marble.
5. You get experience just by damaging a unit but you can only get max 30 experience from barbarians.
6. Bananas are not a luxury resource they are a bonus resource.
7. Forests aren't useless. You can build lumber mills for extra production.
PS. I'd recommend the R.E.D. modpack mod (steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=76153116). It makes the units look a lot nicer.
>says civilization isn't based off slavery
>doesn't pay workers
>your civilization must be based off "volunteer" work
Ha ha noob Jon is funny. "Let's make a worker!" "Don't need a shrine!"
This is by far far my favourite series on the channel on the moment, I don't know why
Jon - build a mine on that silver at Jonopolis, you need to build some caravans - set up some trade routes $$$ or what ever they use across the pond
"Why would I want a farm?"
King Jon. King of the Kingdom of EVERYBODY'S STARVING PLEASE HELP.
I'd be proud to call myself a citizen of Jonopolis. Although I hope that unlike Athens, I would be allowed to vote.
Jon, you'd have actually been better off building a farm on that Hill. You would have kept the +2 production but gained the food bonus and, since the hill is on a river, it would have gained the +1 food fresh water adjacency bonus when you research Civil Service. Plus, that would have made the tile self-sustaining. Each population in your city need 2 food or they start dying until you reach stagnation. If you hardline one resource on a tile, that means you have to make up the food deficit from the population that's working that tile on a different tile.
You really want to prioritize food more than anything else. More food means more populations, more populations means more tiles being worked, and more tiles being worked means more of all the other resources. Prioritizing food also gives you plenty of extra populations you can shove into specialist slots which give you very big bonuses to different resources and great person generation.
Just as I'm about to cry that there is no civ today, you surpass my expectations again. well done Jon.
Jon it's great to see you playing one of my favourite games! just a tip, all those workers are gonna bankrupt you, it's best to only have a couple during early game, the two extra you'll get from pyramids will destroy your economy
Honestly really surprised to see how nice everyone is being. I'm not seeing a lot of, "Jon you fucking idiot piece of shit" and a lot more of, "hey Jon, you know this and this will help you out. Also, you don't really a..." etc. I mean, he did ask for the commenters help in the first part. Very nice change to see :)
Episode 2: Mistakes Were Made but Jon's Not Worried(or Aware).
Keep up the good work. This video made me shout several times, but its still the most entertaining Civ V lets play I've seen.
Wood also like to add that cutting forest adds a quick amount of production what ever the closest city is working on. if you build the temple of artemis in Jonopolis and have all 4 workers chop 4 separate forest at once, you could shave off possibly 8 or 9 turns from construction
Hey Jon, you have a source of marble close to Athens in the northeast. If you build a quarry, it counts as a luxury, as well as increasing production for Wonders in the closest city. Also, you'll enter the Classical era as soon as you complete a tech in the Classical part of the Technology tree. Really enjoy watching you play! Keep it up!
Me watching the video: Jon is really good at these strategy games!
*reads comments*
Me after: Oh...
Same! XD One thing's for sure, he's still better than I'll ever be :P
On a kind of related note The new Assassin's Creed will be in ancient Eygpt and there is the possibility of a trilogy of games visiting Rome and Greece, it'd be a fine way for me to learn about ancient Greece, most of my Renaissance Italy knowledge comes from AC 2
Jon, the reason that it was recommending a farm instead of a mine is due to the fact that the game prioritizes food over production. Also, always heal units in your own territory when possible, as they will heal much faster (I believe x2) than outside the border.
Anyways, Jon. Pretty much all buildings have maintenance cost. Right after the Granary was built, you dipped into the negative. Then the Pyramid made the two workers. Balancing out your negative income early game is fine as long as you can plop it back up later. Basically, once you get caravans. I noticed that after getting caravans, I never cared about money. It was easy to obtain. Before caravans I needed to get commercial cities (building around multiple luxury resources or by anything that produces money.
I'm not too sure about your faith position now, there might be a few good perks left but when everyone else starts getting Partheons, those perks may be gone by the time you hit it...
For wanting to win culturally, you seem to avoid trying to gain culture (building monuments over everything else is ideal). Focus on culture if you really want that victory Jon. The faster you gain culture, the better game you'll be playing.
The science is meh. I'm always behind in the tech tree but at a certain point, overtake the AI. Also, you could have gotten into the Classical era LONG time ago. You misunderstood how the tech tree works. Follow the lines. It literally shows you what tech is a prerequisite for another.
Also, when healing units, keep them in ally territories and just heal them. They will heal in pretty much 4 turns full health. Much better time spent doing that than moving them around low health (in case you get caught off guard like the Scout did).
Haha, it's like watching my mom first playing Civ V. She put into a good at least 500+ hours into the game now. After I taught her, she branded out since I couldn't play with her all the time and she adapted her own play style I guess. She likes being aggressive and war-like though.
While waiting for the third part I bought this game, played for 15 hours past the last few days and already finished one playthrough. Thanks for the inspiration lol
On workers, and units in general:
Most regular units have some sort of "automated" feature. Workers can be set to automatically build and repair improvements in and around your cities, military units can be set to explore, et cetera. There are advantages to having your workers being automated. An automated worker will evaluate all hexes in a city's area. It will build the improvement on the hex that gives the greatest reward, based on your needs; food first, production second, gold third but moving up to first if there is a deficit in the budget and the people are not starving. If there are no improvements to be built, the worker will attempt to navigate to the nearest city needing improvements. If no improvements are detected the worker will, assuming you've invented the bloody wheel, start building roads. Automated workers will also automatically take shelter in the city when enemy units enter the territory, and then immediately return to work after the enemy has been dealt with.
You can gift excess units to city-states for a small boost of your influence with them. It takes three turns to transfer the unit, during which it has no upkeep. You really have far too many workers for early game, two cities, and so little space. Consider gifting one or two of your new workers to Bucharest. They may respond with a gift of their own, gold or resources. You can also garrison units you do not currently need in a city, which will reduce their upkeep. Only one military unit may be garrisoned in a city at a time.
Jon: I swear there are no slaves here!
Later
Jon: Why do I have to pay these workers?!
I'm soook glad you're playing this, it's one of my favourite games ever and you're great to watch.
IM SO READY FOR THIS SERIES JOHN YOU GOT ME INTO CIV. THANK YOU SO MUCH MY MAINZ MANZ
Ho ho "Why am I losing money?". It's the workers silly!
Turns out the advisor was suggesting finding the Apple of Eden :P
You have a source of Marble available from Athens. The head of David Icon is where marble is located. Also, build a caravan in Jonopolis and have it establish a trade route with Bucharest. It will give you a small boost to your income but it will grow over time.
Yay! I'm an icon!
city states are cool with Alexander paying a military visit. that kinda his hidden ability
I feel it's time for a little advice. Making your civilization more marvelous than marvelous.
1. Greece doesn't get penalty when ending the turn in city states terrain (Greece special ability)
2. Try to grow your cities more, food = science. The more food you produce the more science you will produce.
3. Put all cities on production focus, this way when a city grows you get some extra production.
4. Get a library in every city, so you can have a National college, increasing your science in one city by another 50%!
5. Build a mine on the silver, fore more gold and happiness.
6. Selling extra bonus resources (horses, iron etc) and luxuries will give a lot of gold, you can ask flat gold, if you made a declaration of friendship with them.
7. A road cost 1 gold per tile, usually you connect a road if the city you gonna connect to your capital is equal in size or bigger than the amount of tiles needed. This way you will make money out of it as soon the connection is established.
8. Use caravans or cargo ship to setup trade networks to make more money.
9. You have a lot of workers, way more than you actually need (especially with the pyramids comming up). But it's a waste to get rid of them, just build more cities so they get worth for their money!
10. City states only give you luxuries when your ally of them and Bucharest will give more culture once it's your ally as well.
I enjoy the series, but some sub optimal decisions do make me cringe a lot!
Hi Jon, Thanks for making great videos!
You just made me exited for Civilization VI, man it will be a good game if its half of this game. Thanks Jon for this AMAZING content, this was Ricjan and goodbye
City in stagnation 'we have enough apples' British logic at it's best!
Use citizen management instead of telling your city to focus on something, it allows you to choose specifically which tiles to work, so you can get exactly what you want. Also units heal a lot faster in your borders.
On territory and borders: "Grand Empires" (other player nations) have closed borders by default. Open borders can be earned through alliances or other forms of negotiation developed later. City-States have open borders by default, unless they are actively hostile (very negative influence) or at war. However, ending turn in their territory will be considered "trespassing" until you are allies, and will annoy them. There is one exception to this - if an enemy or barbarian unit is in City-State territory, you may enter the territory to engage in combat and you are given a free pass following each turn of combat.
Black-dotted borders are always city states.
Between CIV 5 and CIV 6 you've gotten much better!
Yay~ I've been waiting all day for this
I always enjoy coming back to this series to remind me that I'm not that bad at this game.
I love how Jon is always like "We're about peace and diplomacy and science" and then he's all "OOOH HOPLITES!!"
love watching you play Jon.
Thank you
i was thinking when would i see another video of Civilization and thought maybe to play myself now im here and it will be fun again.
Jon, your units heal when in your territory. if u use the heal stance then, it goes up by 20 (10 for the heal stance and 10 for the territory) :)
So flipping happy you're doing Civ.
I recommend actually running with the automated citizen assignment. It's pretty clever on its own, in my experience.
Jon, you mentioned in the last episode that Elizabeth looked out of place in the 3000+ BC years in her Victorian garb, and the reason they did that was to make them appear as they are remembered in history; unlike in previous Civilizations where their appearance changed depending on the era they were in (In Civ 3, for example, Abraham Lincoln wore a horned skull cap in the ancient era and Elizabeth wore a business suit in the modern era.)
I think he was being sarcastic
"theres absolutely no slavery going on here" later on "oh I have to pay those blokes, well that's no good"
Did anyone else stop the video and start laughing when Jon Said that he hadn't invented the wheel yet or was it just me?
My Hoplite lives in a phalanx of one. Fantastic.
Never cut down forests unless in doing so you get a resource, you can eventually upgrade them with logging camps
Another video this evening? Blimey! I can get drunk after all!
So happy to see you understand one my many addictions :D
1- You don't need roads for building caravans. So build a caravan, for the love of god.
2- Bulid a silver mine. I know you thought you needed a quarry to do it, but in faact, you don't. Also, you already have the power to bud quarries, so there is no excuse.
3- Most wonders can only exist in one place in the world, so if it will take a long time to build, don't do it, people might already be half done and finish before you do, wasting all the time you put into it.
4-Players entering the classical era befor you is normal, it just means that instead of spreading out research, they focused on a particular branch of technologies and got to the classical era faster, while sacrificing other branches of research.
5- I am really enjoying this series so far, good luck!
You may have noticed this already, but units do heal faster while inside your borders and faster still while inside your cities.
Here are some explanations for your implied questions:
-A pantheon has been founded means one of your opponents got enough faith to get a pantheon which gives a certain bonus. Everyone can get a pantheon, but not all civilizations can get a religion, which is why getting a shrine early is important if you want one (usually on high difficulties it's barely worth trying).
-Your units only heal if they haven't moved/acted. They'll heal automatically if that's the case. Moving one tile then healing doesn't work, and the only difference between "rest until healed" and "don't do anything this turn" is that the game won't prompt you to use the unit until it's healed. If you never want to be asked to move the unit, just put it in "fortify" mode.
-Don't hesitate to steal workers from city states early, there's no diplomatic penalty if they're not under protection, and you can make peace immediately which will make their relation return to "neutral".
-The workers were right to want to build a farm on that hill, after some research, farms on rivers give 2 food and as a general rule, with some exceptions, food is worth more than anything else anyway.
-If you're putting your workers in manually, put your cities in production focus. If your city grows, it will automatically reassign workers depending on your focus, but food doesn't do anything if your city already grew, while production will still get added to whatever building you're producing.
6:00
Jon, isn't that what you said about stellaris?
I don't think he's gonna be peaceful by the time this lets play is over......
Soon, Jon will have troops in every corner of the map.
Some tips for combat (I know you wanted to do a pacafist run, but if your Stellaris playthrough is anything to go by it wont end well. Plus, late game, the AI become utter dicks and focus you with a ton of hate.)
-Vary your army: You should have a good mix of footsoldiers, cavalry, ranged units and seige units if you're taking cities. Having an army composed of ranged units will be good against oncoming soldiers, but will be slaughtered by cavalry heavy civs.
-Unhappiness gives you a combat disadvantage or, if the enemy is unhappy, a combat advantage.
-Similarly, if you are fighting a civ who is influential over you, you will be at a disadvantage.
-Terrain matters: Rouge terrain can delay enemies but is also annoying to fight in as your units take more time to reach the frontline, whereas open terrain allows for fast movement. Ranged units can only fire in a one tile radius as the rough terrain blocks their view. However when stood on a hill, their range increases to its usual size. (E.g standing on a hill and shooting over a forest.)
-Seige units deal heavy damage to cities, however are poor in combat against other units. They are easily rushed by cavalry so its best to keep some melee units around them to protect them. Any unit that gets a combat bonus against cavalry is usually a good call.
-Cavalry have a disadvantage against cities, but are good for interception and distruption. Pillage roads in between cities to slow enemy troop movements and pillage luxuries to get their happiness down. Intercept any dangerous units that could attack your seige or ranged units.
If you're aiming for rapid scientific advancement, it is IMPERATIVE that you keep some jungle tiles around - at the very least, the ones on hill tiles. Once education is researched and universities are built in a city, each jungle tile will grant +2 science each. This can be boosted to +3 science with a trading post tile improvement if the Sovereignty social policy is picked up in the Rationalism tree, once available.
50:45 Jon has a mind of metal and wheels!
Jon!! there is marble right next to Athens. Love the content you do and also greate job!
I don't think Jon understands the importance of food. Stop going into stagnation!!
only 5 videos until 1000, any plans Jon?
you need some caravans and start trading. with the city state.
great series Jon, please keep em coming
On Cities:
The game will give you recommended locations for city placement, these are based on the amount of raw yield available. These are not necessarily always the best locations as sometimes placing yourself closer to resources which can be improved on will actually net a better start. Where you placed Jonopolis is a perfect example - good concentration of resources that need improvements, but lower than ideal raw yield to start off.
Cities will continue to expand their influence and your national border more or less infinitely until you reach neutral culture gain or you've "conquered" the entire map. Influence will not develop beyond your available field of view, and influence is not equal to the actual working space of the city. A city can have a much larger circle of influence than workable area, so do not be afraid to place cities relatively closer early on. The game will not allow you to found a city within 4 hexes travel of another city. When two cities you control share a workable hex, only one city may work the the hex at a time. This can be swapped whenever you like from the city management screen of either city.
You actually have a good location for a third city just North-East of Jonopolis, adjacent some Iron and some Fish. This will also give you a coastal city from which you can launch a Trireme to begin exploring the coast line of your continent. There are also several game-recommended city sites just West of Athens you may wish to consider.
I would recommend, after dealing with the immediate barbarian threat and establishing trade with Bucharest, that you focus on establishing a third city.
It's wonderful how you agonize over the most basic, start-of-the-game things, and get baited by miracles, I can't wait to see you in the Renaissance era
PLEASE MAKE THIS A FULL SERIES.
Deforestation is really good- Lessons From Civ 5
I'm sure this has been said by several people, but I'm gona say just in case.
If you move your units into your own borders before fortifying them, they will recover at twice the normal rate.
Hey, Jon, when you're zoomed into the city menu you can see how long production will take in the bottom left.
First he says noumenal, then he says stagnation is good. Killing myself laughing. Build more workers!
"There's no bloody marble anywhere nearby."
Marble is 3 tiles north of Athens
Damn it, Jon. I had to go buy Civ V because of you.
I was binging Civilization Revolution on 360 because it's the only one I have. Also,combat there is a LOT better in my opinion. 40 years to partially damage a group of 3,longevity-filled lads.
Jungle is important later in the game, high level strats call for the theft of a worker from city states, also GROWTH IS REALLY IMPORTANT. Also all units cost upkeep including builders.
I do like the MATN one-two upload punch!
Perception or not, i like videos where he just plays games normally so much more than when he knows them inside out. Like TW or Fallout NV.
great series
Jonopolis... now you're getting into the Alexander role play..
You can make a mine on the silver near jonopolis and there's Mabel north of Athens