I love how you have a Mr.Rodgers entrance with mellow musical background. It’s awesome lol especially on topic of high powered car audio equipment. Definitely makes you a whole original of your own
My Favorate motor design and coil design is JBL GTI MK2 subwoofers Differential Drive Design. You should do a tech time on that design. It’s actually kinda cool from photos, but not many people understand it’s design and operation and why they choose dual 6ohms for the design.
@@sarahconner9433 thanks. I’ve always loved that sub. First top tier sub I’ve seen in person with a Neo Magnetic motor structure. Seen you in Barevids live today as well fellow amp repair friend.
Favorite motor for me has to be the TC sounds from the late 90s. I have an Audiomobile mass 2012 made in 1999. Still the best sounding sub I've ever heard.
So my favorite motor is weird; being a fan boy of Zeds amps early in my car audio journey, I fell in love with a motor from Lanzar shortly after. In the early 2000’s before the opti’s sub line became a decent budget gem, I came across their HRWDC line. I still use the subs today, and to me, they’ve stood the test of time and have yet to disappoint in all the demos I’ve given throughout the years, and more recently, gave me solid results in the OSSPLC paired up with an old fosgate amp. But anyways, I Appreciate the time and effort you put into your content. Looking foreword to the next one!!
Mr Lester, Thank you!! Ive watched your old Subwoofer recone video tons of times while learning how to build subs for myself and my buddies. Tons of knowledge that has helped me out tremendously.....thank you. This video was another winner in the subwoofer builder encyclopedia. Look forward to future "Woofer Wednesdays" Thanx Again
Meant to ask......what would you consider the pound for pound motor champ? Fi UFO? Sundown nsv2? Adire Brahma xbl2? The new Memphis '65 series' subwoofer with a 7.5" voicecoil?
I know this is an older video and probably nothing to do with this subject, but we now have people out there running single 8" and 6 1/2 inch subs in special built enclosures hitting 160+ DBs When you see some guys dropping thousand of dollars on multiple much larger subwoofers barely hitting 150"s. But I'm aware of the mechanics more now than I did when I was younger and this subject added to my love of installs. The more you know the more you grow :)
The best motor I ever owned I just reconed today is a Resilient Sounds Onyx series. 80+ pounds of motor is just insane to me having grown up in the 80s and 90s I kinda got to witness the evolution of modern subwoofers. I've owned Orion HCCA subs and the Onyx is bigger. It's very impressive.
Keep up the great work Ed . It was really nice meeting you in person at SEMA . I really appreciate you taking time to take a picture with me and Steve Meade. If your going to CES and need a camera guy message me I’m going to be there
@nate0 Motor force and power handling are two independent characteristic and often they are opposing. For instance, one way to increase motor force is to increase the number of windings in the gap. This means you'd be using smaller diameter wire on your coil. in order to keep the same impedance, the winding height would be shorter and the coil will handle less power than a taller coil with larger wire.
@nate0 Power is what makes the motor move. You need to do a smaller box and more power. This is better than to Speakers. Do you only need one you can hit 170s if you do it right
My favorite are the DC Audio Neo Elite 4" coil Neo motors. Some honorable mentions are the M1 Level 5 3" coil motors and the Sundown Team Ferrite motors.
A gift? You mean other than your pretty self and vast experience and knowledge? Wow , that's a deal. My fave motor ...I like them all😎 And thank you for looking at this😘. I have a far better understanding than I did, now it's time to do some learning.
I love the series man you have a very good way of explaining things in good detail but not too much to lose the viewer. I hope that you keep the intro the Mister Rogers theme is really cool an unique. Another great video 👌
Hello, enjoyed your video. Really appreciated your explanations and thought they were well done. I have been looking at the trw 17 rotary subwoofer and thinking about their use of the stationary motor and “helicopter” style mechanics to move the blades. I have also been looking at various “voice coil linear motors” made for motion of things other than speakers. IMO it would be interesting to build a rotary subwoofer using a solid mounted coil on the base and “spin” the magnet on the shaft and use the air gap in place of a ball bearing “swash plate” arrangement. Hence why I found your magnetics video informative. Managing a spinning magnet and coil gap certainly presents some new challenges but some opportunities as well. It would be attractive to build a rotary subwoofer for less than 23000$. Cheers, great video. EE Duane in Canada.
I had a set of 6 inch cerwin vegas speakers with 2 chrome tweeters in the middle of them and they had massive magnets on them.they were car audio speakers they sounded great but I put it much power into them when I was a kid
Deafbonce sa312 has a massive motor and has no pole vent, 3in coil and 2800rms I run a single deafbonce sa312 d1 at.5ohm on my deafbonce 4k daily, takes every bit of it and I have never once smelled any coil smells... Ive been thinking of getting another one
tankdog03 love my DB subs. I’m running the SA27 series though. Never smelled voicecoil even when giving them a little over rated power. Haven’t inspected the motors that thoroughly but they are great reliable subs! 👍
My favorit motor is the rockford fosgate t2 12. Not the first silver one but the murdered out all black model. I honestly had no idea there was so much involved with sub motors.
Great in depth view into subwoofer motors. Keep the series going, I love information. I also love sundown audio equipment and thier whole team is awesome also. Bass on brotha and keep the vids coming!!!!
Would it be possible to make a motor with a simple ferrite ring and pole with the north/South in a vertical axis, with a manageably small gap? I've been thinking about making a large sub with the goal of high excursion, not worried about sound quality. I would outsource the soft parts and coil but build the basket and motor myself. I've also thought about using a conventional brushless electric motor, with an offset crankshaft connected to a diaphragm by a con rod. Similar to an engine, but with a diaphragm instead of a piston. I don't think it could be used for music, but at a set frequency it could move an enormous amount of air due to the efficiency of a brushless rotating motor.
Cool breeze.. Keep thinking.. The magnet ring won't work because it will overheat.... the "electric motor" has been done but you need a small motor to overcome the inductance... Say;:; alternator motor yes powerful.. But only once it's already moving.. To start it moving takes huge Amperes.. Send me an email....i will help you
Great vid, and exactly the type of vids I want to see just getting into subwoofer reduilding/building/experiments lol :) a voice coil vid would be great, ie: difference between copper alum, winding count, flat vs round, wire gauge, etc.
Great video brother very well explained! It funny speaking to some of the older competitors from the 90’s, they used to glue weights under the dust caps to increase motor force. Not sure that actually worked but it was cool to hear the stories how guys tried to get more DB’s that way.
I love incriminator audios subwoofer designs. All of their subs look amazing. I’ve owned a lethal injection 12” and regret selling all of the time. So much so that I’ve been thinking of ordering another lethal injection or a Death Row. I just hate waiting on custom built subs as I’m very impatient 😂. That Lethal injection LOVED the lows.
The original Stroker motor like you mentioned, as well as another “pancake” that always stuck out to me was the PPI Flat Piston Pros. After that it was the earlier Digital Designs motors(A,B,C versions), they weren’t anything substantially out of the norm but they just looked really good to me, just clean polished ferrite and chrome. I seem to remember they used to have one supposed “SQ” orientated series, the 9100 line, that had a really unique looking motor structure as well.
You briefly spoke about motors like 4 years ago when you made a video about voice coils, I believe you went over adire audio motor and reg motor. It’s been years ago though
I keep hearing you say that the Stroker wasnt made for high excursion. This is not right!! Back in those times, that is exactly what that woofer was made for!!! It of course may not seem like that these days, but i was installing those things back in the 90's and they were blowing our minds and our windows!!!! Im 46 years young, been in the game since the mid 80;s when i was 15 years old just so you know my background. Great video, of course!!!! I love the way your mind works, i wish i had your ability to see things the way you explain them!!!
My favorite motor out of any subwoofer I own would be my Soundstream SS10 (version 1) All time favorite motor assemblies I'd give credit to RE Audio. EMF Audio is on my list as well with the Ermagerd, but I favor the V1 over the V2. The square V2 motor looks like it should be on a square MTX Jackhammer.
My favorite motor is the Orion hcca spl Its a beast! My second is the 4" coil 600oz motor you can buy on the Lord of bass. Never heard it but it looks huge and its also under $800 to buy. I'm one day going to by one.
Orion speaker is made all wrong. I do use their amplifier. Best bang for the buck. Specially the white class rating you can achieve. Speakers are totally different. Personally I like holy shit. Or Atomic makes good stuff. Not too many speakers are really designed and made right.
@@joecool7165 some how my HDX3s hit 15-65hz but 28 hits the hardest. What you got to do is build your box on the specs of the Sundown Xv3 and it will sound the best.
Would be awesome if you could find an Audiobahn AW1805Q to review and test. I've only seen photos and the sub looks really kool. But I wonder if its just a kool looking 18" subwoofer or if it is as bad azz as it looks.
Awesome video as usual but I am curious about the difference (advantage vs disadvantage) in VC sizes like some are 2" and I've seen some in home stereos systems as big as 8"
Awsome, this helped, wanting to build some subs, experimenting with a few different parts, and this helped me understand a little better, if you have a couple Xtra stroker motors lying around how much would you sell em for?
Great video.. my fave motor strictly for looks would be the IA death penalty v1. Without the boot that motor was just sexy. And the sp4 v1 for performance.. great motor and affordable 4 inch coil sub.. a question I have for u is, up to a couple yrs ago people constantly said anything above a triple slug motor was a waist. Now there are quad stack slug motors and people are saying anything above that is a waist. Is the amount of slugs really a waist, or is it just more cost effective? I know that as u add slugs ur top plate and center pole have to change to reflect and best use the magnetic field. But is there really a such thing as waisted slugs on a motor?
Oh I love those IA woofers. He has a few great designs over the years. IMO the amount of slugs is neither a waist or not. At least we can't tell without more info. What's the cost balance vs going with larger diameter vs going Neo? What's the design of the motor, what's the top plate size, what size is the coil, etc...
My two favorite motors are Orion hcca motors there amazing they handle tons of power and the design is just beefy goodness. Second are kicker motor I’m sure people like what kicker. Well kicker has some amazing tech with the cooling of the Vc with holes around the tape and hole under the cone into the former for double cooling it’s genius
I know it's an old video but on my 200oz motor off a 15" NVX I rebuilt into a 10" how does coil winding height affect it the oem 3" coil had a 2" wide winding width and the coil I was sold is like 1 5/8ish? Both 4 layer It works fine I'm happy but just curious. I was able to bottom out the 15 a couple times with the original 2" windings so figure the shorter windings prob wouldn't as one plus? Also the original was aluminum and new coil is copper.
Thank you very much for making this video I just recently got my hands on a Cerwin Vega Stroker 154 model subwoofer it's a 15 inch I got it not working because somebody blew the coil but my intention is to recone it and the hard part about this whole deal is that I don't know the exact height of the voice coil. I found a similar sub on eBay and I was reading the instruction on the outside box and it says that it uses a dual cab technology short voice coil so I don't really know too much what that means but I was able to look online and find some information and it uses a 3.0 height voice coil what I don't understand is the part where it says dual Gap technology does that mean that there has to be a gap between the bottom voice coil and the top pole of the magnet
Your confusing jbl gti II DRIVE and stroker... Stroker is standard 3.000 diameter and 1.5 inch high single winding at 4 ohm car.. Stadium 8 ohm.. That speaker is super duper clean and sexy
So I have a question how much does motor Force play into compared to cone area let's say you have a 12-in sundown SA v1 and you have a 10-in sundown zv5 what would potentially be louder given the woofer was given the perfect enclosure per specs and power? If you could touch on that that would be fantastic
I ran atomics when I was younger. Quite speaker 40,000 watt at Burst. Was not to much to put out power like this. Now days you can do it. I’m known for running one speaker. You don’t need a pair just takes up airspace. Ed I know you know what you’re doing. Smaller box more power this is how you tweak it to make it perform. Personally I like the horns box design. With a wedge at one end. Have to ask do you know what the COM is? Most people don’t have a clue what that even is.
@@subdynoman You’ll have to read the cookbooks. That’s where you find out real knowledge. If you don’t know what a cookbook is. You’re not old-school. Plus you’ll never know what a comb is unless you read them!
@@SparkedEd I was pretty skeptical, if it did work you could just glue a bigger magnet to anything wallah and Wallah more powerful speaker! I've only seen it on small cheap mid bass woofers and it was a hollow ring not a solid puck. On topic I like the modern subs with the big fat triple stack bootie it just looks powerfully, the guy from EMF audio did a video where he built a sub with a monster magnet on a 10" the magnet was significantly larger in diameter than the driver looked crazy but impressive at the same time.
I love how you have a Mr.Rodgers entrance with mellow musical background. It’s awesome lol especially on topic of high powered car audio equipment. Definitely makes you a whole original of your own
I appreciate that. I like keeping it calm and different.
Well done Ed! You covered stuff that most of us don’t even consider when buying subs and you help us all make more informed decisions.
Thanks for the kind words man
My Favorate motor design and coil design is JBL GTI MK2 subwoofers Differential Drive Design. You should do a tech time on that design. It’s actually kinda cool from photos, but not many people understand it’s design and operation and why they choose dual 6ohms for the design.
You are wize!! The greatest woofer ever made!!
@@sarahconner9433 thanks. I’ve always loved that sub. First top tier sub I’ve seen in person with a Neo Magnetic motor structure. Seen you in Barevids live today as well fellow amp repair friend.
thanks for making these videos, there just isn't enough technical videos out there. between this channel and emf i learn so much.
Thanks, we do what we can
Favorite motor for me has to be the TC sounds from the late 90s. I have an Audiomobile mass 2012 made in 1999. Still the best sounding sub I've ever heard.
My favorite subwoofer/motor is the Peerless by Tymphany STW-350F-188PR01-04 15"
You explained very well plus the snippet with Jacob was simple to understand it all.
Orion HCCA 124, or 122 amazing excursion and power handling , keep up with the great videos, they are so good I don’t need a goodie bag
My favorite motors of all time are the kicker solo x, mtx 9500 and of coarse the Orion hcca takes the cake,I also love the look of the r e audio xxx
Keep the tech stuff coming, never hurts to learn more. Good job man!
Thanks man
Absolute stellar topic man! No one else describes these aspects of subwoofer design. Two thumbs up!
Fi sp4 are my favorite LOOKING motor assemblys. I mean, c'mon. Those things are gorgeous.
My two favorite woofers are TC Sounds Lms 18 and RE Audio XXX. Both are amazing!!!
So my favorite motor is weird; being a fan boy of Zeds amps early in my car audio journey, I fell in love with a motor from Lanzar shortly after. In the early 2000’s before the opti’s sub line became a decent budget gem, I came across their HRWDC line. I still use the subs today, and to me, they’ve stood the test of time and have yet to disappoint in all the demos I’ve given throughout the years, and more recently, gave me solid results in the OSSPLC paired up with an old fosgate amp. But anyways, I Appreciate the time and effort you put into your content. Looking foreword to the next one!!
I haven't seen many Lanzar subs these days. I once messed with some of their 18s, but that was probably in the late 90s.
The boss of zed and boss of Lanzar both really cool dudes
Mr Lester, Thank you!! Ive watched your old Subwoofer recone video tons of times while learning how to build subs for myself and my buddies. Tons of knowledge that has helped me out tremendously.....thank you. This video was another winner in the subwoofer builder encyclopedia. Look forward to future "Woofer Wednesdays" Thanx Again
Meant to ask......what would you consider the pound for pound motor champ? Fi UFO? Sundown nsv2? Adire Brahma xbl2? The new Memphis '65 series' subwoofer with a 7.5" voicecoil?
This video reminded me of a school lecture and almost put me to sleep. I liked it
I know this is an older video and probably nothing to do with this subject, but we now have people out there running single 8" and 6 1/2 inch subs in special built enclosures hitting 160+ DBs When you see some guys dropping thousand of dollars on multiple much larger subwoofers barely hitting 150"s. But I'm aware of the mechanics more now than I did when I was younger and this subject added to my love of installs. The more you know the more you grow :)
Gotta agree with the DDZ as well as the RE Audio XXX and if it counts the old school PG Pysclone
Oh I would love to find a psyclone
The best motor I ever owned I just reconed today is a Resilient Sounds Onyx series. 80+ pounds of motor is just insane to me having grown up in the 80s and 90s I kinda got to witness the evolution of modern subwoofers. I've owned Orion HCCA subs and the Onyx is bigger. It's very impressive.
My favorite motor was the T3 TSNS. It was a beast.
SP4 V1 is one of my favorites. I got the last machined V1 motor!
This series is great by the way
Thanks man, and yeah that woofer is so sweet
Keep up the great work Ed .
It was really nice meeting you in person at SEMA . I really appreciate you taking time to take a picture with me and Steve Meade. If your going to CES and need a camera guy message me I’m going to be there
How about the pros and cons of copper versus aluminum voice coil? Any other materials used for coils like platinum?
I have covered that in the past. I can make a new video on it for Woofer Wed
@nate0 Motor force and power handling are two independent characteristic and often they are opposing. For instance, one way to increase motor force is to increase the number of windings in the gap. This means you'd be using smaller diameter wire on your coil. in order to keep the same impedance, the winding height would be shorter and the coil will handle less power than a taller coil with larger wire.
@nate0 Power is what makes the motor move. You need to do a smaller box and more power. This is better than to Speakers. Do you only need one you can hit 170s if you do it right
I need to know about bi-filiar vs reg vs in n out coils
Learned some good info and I have a Sundown Xv2 so that helped understand it more.
My favorite are the DC Audio Neo Elite 4" coil Neo motors. Some honorable mentions are the M1 Level 5 3" coil motors and the Sundown Team Ferrite motors.
Best woofer Wednesday yet. Very informative
Thanks man, I appreciate it
A gift? You mean other than your pretty self and vast experience and knowledge? Wow , that's a deal.
My fave motor ...I like them all😎
And thank you for looking at this😘. I have a far better understanding than I did, now it's time to do some learning.
I love the series man you have a very good way of explaining things in good detail but not too much to lose the viewer. I hope that you keep the intro the Mister Rogers theme is really cool an unique. Another great video 👌
Thanks man. I am still tweaking the format, but it seems to be going well
Hello, enjoyed your video. Really appreciated your explanations and thought they were well done. I have been looking at the trw 17 rotary subwoofer and thinking about their use of the stationary motor and “helicopter” style mechanics to move the blades. I have also been looking at various “voice coil linear motors” made for motion of things other than speakers. IMO it would be interesting to build a rotary subwoofer using a solid mounted coil on the base and “spin” the magnet on the shaft and use the air gap in place of a ball bearing “swash plate” arrangement. Hence why I found your magnetics video informative. Managing a spinning magnet and coil gap certainly presents some new challenges but some opportunities as well. It would be attractive to build a rotary subwoofer for less than 23000$. Cheers, great video. EE Duane in Canada.
One of my favorite motors to look at is By SMD that design is just crazy.
Oh yeah the design is called Super Gauss II. I should have mentioned it.
Jacob is good dude
You are wize but SMD didn't invent that design
Great video. Not many like this. This is more school and I love it.
Excellent presentation 👍 Edwin couldn't have said it better !!
Edwin was my adviser this time
I had a set of 6 inch cerwin vegas speakers with 2 chrome tweeters in the middle of them and they had massive magnets on them.they were car audio speakers they sounded great but I put it much power into them when I was a kid
Deafbonce sa312 has a massive motor and has no pole vent, 3in coil and 2800rms I run a single deafbonce sa312 d1 at.5ohm on my deafbonce 4k daily, takes every bit of it and I have never once smelled any coil smells... Ive been thinking of getting another one
tankdog03 love my DB subs. I’m running the SA27 series though. Never smelled voicecoil even when giving them a little over rated power. Haven’t inspected the motors that thoroughly but they are great reliable subs! 👍
Thanks for the info! I really enjoy these technical videos
Thank you for watching
My favorite woofer motor so far is deaf bonce dbsa4 series however I absolutely love Hutchinson car audio neo motors they look phenomenal
My favorit motor is the rockford fosgate t2 12. Not the first silver one but the murdered out all black model. I honestly had no idea there was so much involved with sub motors.
Great in depth view into subwoofer motors. Keep the series going, I love information. I also love sundown audio equipment and thier whole team is awesome also. Bass on brotha and keep the vids coming!!!!
Thanks man, bass on
Would it be possible to make a motor with a simple ferrite ring and pole with the north/South in a vertical axis, with a manageably small gap? I've been thinking about making a large sub with the goal of high excursion, not worried about sound quality. I would outsource the soft parts and coil but build the basket and motor myself. I've also thought about using a conventional brushless electric motor, with an offset crankshaft connected to a diaphragm by a con rod. Similar to an engine, but with a diaphragm instead of a piston. I don't think it could be used for music, but at a set frequency it could move an enormous amount of air due to the efficiency of a brushless rotating motor.
Thats cool man. Please make a video of those projects.
There have been a few woofers like that over the years, but nothing spectacular. Build some of your ideas and make some vids.
Cool breeze.. Keep thinking.. The magnet ring won't work because it will overheat.... the "electric motor" has been done but you need a small motor to overcome the inductance... Say;:; alternator motor yes powerful.. But only once it's already moving.. To start it moving takes huge
Amperes.. Send me an email....i will help you
Great vid, and exactly the type of vids I want to see just getting into subwoofer reduilding/building/experiments lol :) a voice coil vid would be great, ie: difference between copper alum, winding count, flat vs round, wire gauge, etc.
Great job Ed
powersoft m-force. have you seen that thing?! moving magnet! two crazy coils power a 32” driver. crazy tech. i would love more details on this monster
Fi.. sp4... love the design.. looks and performance
Such a great woofer
I love my Sundown Audio zv2'S......older motors i know. But they are BADASS and super strong.
Great video brother very well explained! It funny speaking to some of the older competitors from the 90’s, they used to glue weights under the dust caps to increase motor force. Not sure that actually worked but it was cool to hear the stories how guys tried to get more DB’s that way.
My favorite motor atm is on my DC audio m3 8 D2.
I feel like I just watched Mr. Rogers neighborhood for bass heads. I liked it.
What’s up can you do a video on how to recenter the pole ring on the subwoofer motor thanks
As far as looks go I'd have to say Soundstream xxx18, Sundown Team V1 motor, SMD double stack assembly & The Hutchinson Audio motors look amazing
Of course they are all expensive, but I want them all haha
I love the fi omega and the btl neos the dear bonce db subs r nice
Great video learned a lot keep up the great work and great videos
I appreciate it
I love incriminator audios subwoofer designs. All of their subs look amazing. I’ve owned a lethal injection 12” and regret selling all of the time. So much so that I’ve been thinking of ordering another lethal injection or a Death Row. I just hate waiting on custom built subs as I’m very impatient 😂. That Lethal injection LOVED the lows.
Oh, you took me back to 1994 with the Aura Neo Woofers.
Do you think you could go more in-depth on the Fi Audio subs and the pros and cons to their motor structure?
All pro.. No con
Awesome Show 👌❤️
Love the tech stuff! Another great Woofer Wednesday!
Thank you
The original Stroker motor like you mentioned, as well as another “pancake” that always stuck out to me was the PPI Flat Piston Pros. After that it was the earlier Digital Designs motors(A,B,C versions), they weren’t anything substantially out of the norm but they just looked really good to me, just clean polished ferrite and chrome. I seem to remember they used to have one supposed “SQ” orientated series, the 9100 line, that had a really unique looking motor structure as well.
Great video sir very educational keep up the good work 👍 👍
Wow I just thought I knew about motors🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣this guy is on a sub-genius level very well explained sir
Hi i need tu know whats the gap between pole and top plate for 4 layer coil
You briefly spoke about motors like 4 years ago when you made a video about voice coils, I believe you went over adire audio motor and reg motor. It’s been years ago though
Yes!! I love these tech videos. I would love for you to do this with thiel specs. That may be spelled wrong
Hexibase has done some great vids on TS specs
3HP... works for me 👍😎 T.I. basket preferably... eats power 🔋 and puts it out
I keep hearing you say that the Stroker wasnt made for high excursion. This is not right!! Back in those times, that is exactly what that woofer was made for!!! It of course may not seem like that these days, but i was installing those things back in the 90's and they were blowing our minds and our windows!!!! Im 46 years young, been in the game since the mid 80;s when i was 15 years old just so you know my background. Great video, of course!!!! I love the way your mind works, i wish i had your ability to see things the way you explain them!!!
Correct.
Atomic. 40,000 W three second burst. Not too many speakers will do this.
Yes. They do... Atomic apocalypse!! I won some championships with them
I think my Favorite Motor design was the TC Sounds LMS Ultra. Favorite motor by aesthetics? Going to have to agree with you on the Z series Neo setup.
I like the atomic 856 motor
I've been a big fan of the death penalty motors throughout the years from the solid slug motors to the star motors
I really like the deaf bonce db4 motors, I think it’s a unique design. Also they’re neo motors.
Or even the Rockford t3 neo motor, I think that one looks crazy too
The RF woofers are fantastic beasts
ShowtimeSPL right?! I like how the motors on the T2s are sectioned. Kinda weird but definitely one of a kind
Subs have changed so much since my first system!
Nope still a coil in a magnet
@@sarahconner9433 ahh .. so just longer windings & more motor force & more linear travel soft parts?
Yep.. Only exception is JBL GTI II DUAL GAP TECHNOLOGY
My favorite motor out of any subwoofer I own would be my Soundstream SS10 (version 1) All time favorite motor assemblies I'd give credit to RE Audio. EMF Audio is on my list as well with the Ermagerd, but I favor the V1 over the V2. The square V2 motor looks like it should be on a square MTX Jackhammer.
Fi BTL-neo, SP4 v2 and Huthcinson ETA. You can't mistake the SP4 for anything else that I've seen
It's certainly unique, I love the unique designs.
great info ...i have a pair of 18s subs can i use the motors from my 18s and build a pair of 24 inch subs..?..
The sundown audio Ns4....looks like a tall holed cylinder i just looks cool to me
My favorite motor is the Orion hcca spl Its a beast! My second is the 4" coil 600oz motor you can buy on the Lord of bass. Never heard it but it looks huge and its also under $800 to buy. I'm one day going to by one.
Orion speaker is made all wrong. I do use their amplifier. Best bang for the buck. Specially the white class rating you can achieve. Speakers are totally different. Personally I like holy shit. Or Atomic makes good stuff. Not too many speakers are really designed and made right.
@@joecool7165 im now into Soundqubed. I love the HDX3. I have 2 and those woofers move huge amount of air. 35mm of xmax.
@@RyanBassForLife Can’t disagree with the air. They just don’t make that much noise. I’ve done all of this SPL&SQ
@@joecool7165 some how my HDX3s hit 15-65hz but 28 hits the hardest. What you got to do is build your box on the specs of the Sundown Xv3 and it will sound the best.
Sundown nightshade is my favorite
Great vid! Keep it up love your stuff ed!
Glad you enjoy it!
great info !!
i enjoyed it keep it coming 👍👍👍
Thank you
Would be awesome if you could find an Audiobahn AW1805Q to review and test. I've only seen photos and the sub looks really kool. But I wonder if its just a kool looking 18" subwoofer or if it is as bad azz as it looks.
Thanks for sharing
Awesome video as usual but I am curious about the difference (advantage vs disadvantage) in VC sizes like some are 2" and I've seen some in home stereos systems as big as 8"
Thanks for the knowledge!
Elemental designs 13av.2 motor great and good to look at
Awsome, this helped, wanting to build some subs, experimenting with a few different parts, and this helped me understand a little better, if you have a couple Xtra stroker motors lying around how much would you sell em for?
By fare one of the best videos 👍👍
Thanks man. That's kind
Great video.. my fave motor strictly for looks would be the IA death penalty v1. Without the boot that motor was just sexy. And the sp4 v1 for performance.. great motor and affordable 4 inch coil sub.. a question I have for u is, up to a couple yrs ago people constantly said anything above a triple slug motor was a waist. Now there are quad stack slug motors and people are saying anything above that is a waist. Is the amount of slugs really a waist, or is it just more cost effective? I know that as u add slugs ur top plate and center pole have to change to reflect and best use the magnetic field. But is there really a such thing as waisted slugs on a motor?
Oh I love those IA woofers. He has a few great designs over the years. IMO the amount of slugs is neither a waist or not. At least we can't tell without more info. What's the cost balance vs going with larger diameter vs going Neo? What's the design of the motor, what's the top plate size, what size is the coil, etc...
DeafBonce sa DB4 18s. Hands down my favorite subwoofer and motor. 7k per subwoofer on music. No issues.
Product great.. the name not so much...
My two favorite motors are Orion hcca motors there amazing they handle tons of power and the design is just beefy goodness. Second are kicker motor I’m sure people like what kicker. Well kicker has some amazing tech with the cooling of the Vc with holes around the tape and hole under the cone into the former for double cooling it’s genius
Yep 162 db straight out of the box
Huchinson neo looks crazy
I want one, bad haha
I know it's an old video but on my 200oz motor off a 15" NVX I rebuilt into a 10" how does coil winding height affect it the oem 3" coil had a 2" wide winding width and the coil I was sold is like 1 5/8ish? Both 4 layer It works fine I'm happy but just curious. I was able to bottom out the 15 a couple times with the original 2" windings so figure the shorter windings prob wouldn't as one plus? Also the original was aluminum and new coil is copper.
Yes it's called hieght.... Sounds like Goldie bear coil would be 1 3/4 inch hieght
It's basic but the Boston acoustic g5 one of my favorite woofers(excuse me..subwoofer)...
Thank you very much for making this video I just recently got my hands on a Cerwin Vega Stroker 154 model subwoofer it's a 15 inch I got it not working because somebody blew the coil but my intention is to recone it and the hard part about this whole deal is that I don't know the exact height of the voice coil. I found a similar sub on eBay and I was reading the instruction on the outside box and it says that it uses a dual cab technology short voice coil so I don't really know too much what that means but I was able to look online and find some information and it uses a 3.0 height voice coil what I don't understand is the part where it says dual Gap technology does that mean that there has to be a gap between the bottom voice coil and the top pole of the magnet
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Your confusing jbl gti II DRIVE and stroker... Stroker is standard 3.000 diameter and 1.5 inch high single winding at 4 ohm car.. Stadium 8 ohm.. That speaker is super duper clean and sexy
Okay I guess my Blurb about the MR. Rodgers of Audio Caught on. :-) RIGHT ON!!!!!!
Haha, he is the man. A great inspiration
So I have a question how much does motor Force play into compared to cone area let's say you have a 12-in sundown SA v1 and you have a 10-in sundown zv5 what would potentially be louder given the woofer was given the perfect enclosure per specs and power? If you could touch on that that would be fantastic
I ran atomics when I was younger. Quite speaker 40,000 watt at Burst. Was not to much to put out power like this. Now days you can do it. I’m known for running one speaker. You don’t need a pair just takes up airspace. Ed I know you know what you’re doing. Smaller box more power this is how you tweak it to make it perform. Personally I like the horns box design. With a wedge at one end. Have to ask do you know what the COM is? Most people don’t have a clue what that even is.
Whats a com??
@@subdynoman You’ll have to read the cookbooks. That’s where you find out real knowledge. If you don’t know what a cookbook is. You’re not old-school. Plus you’ll never know what a comb is unless you read them!
Fi BTL UFO motors I've always wanted a pair.
They are pretty
Hey bro will you make a video about a rotary subwoofer if you know anything about them
Sir, what if you make a voice coil in square shape... Not a round circular regular shape. Is it possible...?? Just curious.
I see sometimes an extra magnet glued to the back of main magnet, does that really help
I wouldn't think so. The flux lines would be off.
@@SparkedEd I was pretty skeptical, if it did work you could just glue a bigger magnet to anything wallah and Wallah more powerful speaker! I've only seen it on small cheap mid bass woofers and it was a hollow ring not a solid puck. On topic I like the modern subs with the big fat triple stack bootie it just looks powerfully, the guy from EMF audio did a video where he built a sub with a monster magnet on a 10" the magnet was significantly larger in diameter than the driver looked crazy but impressive at the same time.
The ring you speak of is used mostly in home audio so you can mount the speakers near the TV without causing magnetic interference.
Hey i have a L7 12 that was in a box and fell off a truck. Well the magnet came off. Is that a repairable thing?