Probably my favorite ending. All by yourself, you wipe out those Kuei-Jin bastards and their POS priestess for good, you destroy the LA Camarilla, LaCroix gets his ass kicked the way he deserves, and you give the Anarchs the finger. You even walk away from a wall of flames like a badass. (Don't get me wrong, I like the Anarchs and the Anarch ending, but Nines, Damsel and Skelter are kinda dickish to you for most of the game, so it's fun to see your character walk past Nines without even looking at him)
Camarilla is not exactly destroyed, because Strauss is still out there, what we do is remove a renegade loose cannon (LaCroix), but the entire place belongs mainly to Anarchs so I guess things stay more or less at status quo.
@Master Exploder Yeah, the Los Angeles Camarilla was just one branch of a worldwide organization, so I'll guess they'll try and seize control of the city again, but the actions of the main character have definitely weakened them for a while. (Apparently, according to the White Wolf Wiki, there are three possible outcomes, depending on the expanded universe material you're referring to or to the version of the pen and paper RPG you're playing. Either a Camarilla princess tries to take over the city but is quickly overthrown by the Thin-bloods, or the Anarchs manage to maintain control over LA, or the Camarilla takes advantage of the threat posed by the Inquisition to negotiate a truce with the Anarchs and reestablish a Prince as head of the city)
@@SHDW-nf2ki I believe that from a purely ideological standpoint the Anarchs are the better option, but yeah, that's only in theory. It's easy to argue that in practice, they reproduce all the flaws in the Camarilla's system, only with different vocabulary and aesthetic - something the game points out in multiple occasions.
I like this ending bc the fledgling at least in my play through seemed like a reluctant errand boy caught up in something they didn’t ask to be a part of and so with this ending the fledgling is like I’m done being an errand boy
Ah, yes...the manic laugh of a man realizing that he's the butt of the most lethal joke ever and there's nothing he can do about it! :D It would be nice to see Smiling Jack come back in the sequel...IF it ever gets out of Development Hell, that is. Damsel's in, but she looks so much rougher and more haggard than Bloodlines here depicted her.
@@b3nl555 Thank you. It's nice to _be_ alive. 🙂 I've been wanting to do with my UA-cam channel since the Coronapocalypse, but unfortunately, I'm on HughesNet now; it's almost impossible to upload a video without the connection dying halfway through. 😒
"We can use someone like you" Wait, nines Rodriguez really spoke that? Nines Rodriguez? An anarch? Well.. you're not so different then Lacroix after all
Worth noting that the real mastermind behind the plot was Smiling Jack (Anarch) working with Cabbie/Caine. They essentially threw the damn thing in the middle of city and enjoyed the fireworks when all factions to decided to destroy/diablerize/hide whatever was supposed to hide inside. It could be a test by Caine to see if his progeny is worth saving, or it could just be a prank. The Thin-Blood from Santa Monica said you can only trust Mercurio and Beckett, so I rest my case.
@@gokuthehedgehog100 According to game devs and name of his files (Caine) he's supposed to be the real Caine. Could make quite a bit of sense, also Malkavian PC will be absolutely terrified in their last encounter due to this special insane insight.
@@Testingthisname The only difference being that Nines could actually put up a fight, and La Croix being a complete beta without the Sheriff protecting him.
Welcome to the real world . These people are just another brand of sheep and shepherds, playing one against the other. What is Nines without Lacroix to fight against and vice versa. All his chill ""I'm cool with you doing whatever "" anarch-talk is just another act. its the same IRL with Politicians , right or left, ultimately they all just want to control everyone by peddling fear and propaganda .
Neither would I, and I like to think that a classy Kindred (like your typical Ventrue or Toreador) would have the good sense to find a more civil or courteous way of turning Nines down than that. The protagonist should save the blatant shows of disrespect for Damsel and Skelter, who actually _did_ disrespect him/her at various points in the story. Nines only gets a bit cross when accused of being a "Prince of the Anarchs," and even then he honors some measure of restraint.
You can always get this ending, even if your actions in-game block all the other endings. At any rate, just keep leaning towards the "I want to be alone" chat options in your dialogue with Caine the Cabbie and you'll get there.
Aah Clan Tremere. First Clan I ever picked and is still remains my favorite one. There's to something about clan who possesses the ability to make a person's blood boil, resulting in a rather nasty explosion ^^ Also, my fav ending ^^ Poor Nines though :p
I wouldn't say poor nines given he showed his true colors and tried to use the fledgling the same way everyone else used and abused him for their own political motives. He deserved that middle finger.
I picked Malkavian for my first playthrough(crazy, I know), and basically stumbled into the lone wolf ending, thinking I was with Nines, which was fitting with the Malkavian as he was a bit panicky after the stealth to the cab
The cabbie who ferries you around town before the ending (assuming you're not Nosferatu) has a different tone and accent than the cabbie at the end does, though. And when Jack takes you back to Santa Monica and briefs you about the Blood Hunt that LaCroix called on you, Jack does mention that he called in his friend to get you out of there. All you have to do is fight your way to his cab....
I patched my version up to 4.7 and the endings are slightly different. With the lone wolf ending, The Prince says he'll "crush you like paper" before opening the Box Of Doom. In any ending where the Box of Doom explodes, Jack says something about it being thrown out there simply to get all the factions to fight each other. I think my Malkavian summed it up best: "I'M SO SICK OF THAT BOX" and "Give you a massive chest wound, you say? My pleasure!"
That's the nice thing about the No Allegiance ending: no matter how badly you screw up the game, no matter how deeply you annoy Strauss, no matter how big a rift you drive between yourself and the Anarchs...you can still tell LaCroix off and help him get blasted to smithereens. >:-)
I guess with the line "it happened just like you said", the malkavian who thinks they're Kaine theory kinda makes sense. But still, if Malkavians can see parts of the future, why'd Kaine be incapable of seeing it?
As I recall, Therese Voerman holds the official rank of Baroness, which is an Anarch rank (the same Anarch rank that Isaac Abrams is). Siding with her could have made an alternate route for joining the Anarchs, come to think of it.
@@Докторпарадокс As I suggested in the previous comment, the Camarilla doesn't have any Barons in their hierarchy. Every Camarilla city has a Prince, along with several aides and lieutenants between the Prince and the rank-and-file...a Seneschal, a Sheriff, a Scourge, a Herald, one or more Alastors, one or more Whips, one or more Harpies, one or more Keepers of Elysium, possibly one or more Hounds, possibly a Chancellor, and a Primogen representing each Clan present in that city. Above the Prince, you have the Archons, the Justicars, possibly a Dux Bellorum or an Imperator in times of great contention, all the way up to the Inner Circle themselves. There are no Barons in the mix, at least not for the Camarilla. Among the Anarchs, however, a Baron is the equivalent of a Prince, ruling his or her own slice of territory with the aid of several aides and lieutenants: Reeves, Coyotes, Sweepers, Molotovs and such. As the Anarchs aren't big fans of power structures or figures of authority, there are no Anarch ranks above Baron, and Baronies may ally with each other but are not bound together by any Inner Circle of their own; this assures each Barony of their independence, yet makes their task of calling in reinforcements or other aid in times of need all the more problematic. As the story of Bloodlines suggests here and there, the Camarilla, in their smugness, identify Anarchs as subjects yet make little or no accommodation to recognize their respective ranks in Anarch society; a Prince often holds a Baron in no higher regard than he would regard a run-of-the-mill neonate. The Anarchs, of course, are free to either scoff at the Camarilla's overtures at authority or play along and masquerade as loyal subjects, the better to conduct reconnaissance, study the Camarilla's ranks and prepare themselves for whenever the time becomes ripe for the Anarchs to rebel against the Camarilla. Anyway, Jeanette and Therese are _both_ Anarchs. Therese is the Baroness of Santa Monica, while Jeanette is just...Jeanette. As Jeanette is the owner and manager of the Asylum, her equivalent rank in the Camarilla would be Keeper of Elysium, but the Anarchs don't seem to recognize that rank. And how their merge into "Tourette" (if indeed the story takes that turn in your hands) affects Therese's title - and Jeanette's lack of title - is never determined; Malkavians with multiple identities are quite the odd assortment.
@@BloodyBay thanks for such detailed answers about ranks since Therese had a feud with Tung a Camarilla Nosferatu and hated Jeannette I assumed Jeannette was an Anarch and Therese a Camarilla who wanted LA to be her domain
Hey, he's just saying that he didn't like this ending. He loved the rest of the game; he just didn't like the ending. You may not agree with him, but he's not flaming or trolling, and he is entitled to his opinion. Leave him be.
First I chose to be LaCroix's fave. Then on my second playthrough I was lowkey mad I got this ending bc LaCroix roasted me. I wanted to help Nines too but at the same time the Anarchs and Camarilla both sucked so I do guess this was the perfect ending for how I felt LOL. RANT OVER TIME FOR PLAYTHROUGH 3.
@Paradoxical003 Actually, if you read through the books for both Vampire and Mage: The Ascension (especially Revelations of the Dark Mother), Lilith is not a vampire at all. She's the first mage, which makes sense. A superhuman woman, cast out of Eden, keeping company with Lucifer the Lightbringer...she awakens, grows wildly powerful over the centuries and creates her own Horizon Realm of eternal Autumn. The Verbena in particular revere her, some even honoring her as a Paragon or a goddess.
Just got this ending. Was actually trying to get Strauss ending but something was wrong with my game and I didnt get the option. But needless to say this led me to this, the best ending by far
As I recall, the choice which has the most effect on whether or not you can reach the Camarilla Ending is whether or not you tell Isaac Abrams that Regent Strauss created the Gargoyle, even after Strauss asks you to keep the Gargoyle's origins a secret; if you do, then you alienate Strauss and he locks you out of the Chantry (and thus won't have anything more to do with you), so he won't be there to help you remove LaCroix from power. (I'm not sure if allowing the Gargoyle to live and join the Anarchs will also tank your relations with Strauss, as I've never done that.) Other than that, just be courteous towards Strauss every time you interact with him. Or did you do all of that already?
I was very careful to not tell issac about the gargoyle, I had access to the tremere sanctuary and Strauss was still friendly to me hell I could even tell the cab driver to take me to my haven which was the tremere sanctuary during the beginning of the final mission. I double checked everything, whats also weird is that I should have also had the option to side with Ming Xiao but I never got that option either, the only option I had with the cabbie was to go independent which really sucks, I was going to do multiple runs but now Im not because of the terrible bug. I use Clan Quest Mod, the only factions I ever pissed off were the anarchs and andrei when you have the option to join sabbat
I use the latest version of the Clan quest mod which includes the 9.2 version of the unofficial patch. Any advice on how to fix this would be immensely appreciated. That is the only thing that’s discouraging me from a second play through. Although I think I can still do the Sabbat quest line and get that ending still I think but I wanna do a malkavian run and get the secret ending but I’m worried that it’s going to force me to go independent again
@@notimportant8643 The latest version of the Unofficial Patch is 10.8, which is what I have installed. I don't have any Clan Quest mod installed, though, so I'm wondering whether or not Patch 10.8 is compatible with Clan Quest. :-/ If you want to give it a try, you can find Unofficial Patch 10.8 here: www.moddb.com/mods/vtmb-unofficial-patch/downloads . It solved my "disappearing Mercurio" glitch, among other problems. :-)
1) The sound files for the cabbie's speech are located in a folder named "Caine". 2) At one point, the cabbie expresses his expectation that the Anarchs will eventually build a new Enoch. Enoch was the city which Caine originally built to be a utopia between mortals and vampires. 3) A Malkavian character will identify the cabbie as "Father" after the cabbie's last words to him/her. Caine is the father of all vampires.
@Vildasnaga No worries. I figured that Jack chilling with the mummy was just another way for a mocking, rebellious guy like Jack to express himself, as if to say "They were getting all riled up over a mummy and they didn't even know it." But to each his own.
...except that if LaCroix were indeed out to diablerize an Antediluvian, it makes me wonder if Caine would drop by and keep an eye on him just to see if LaCroix actually succeeded...or to ensure that LaCroix didn't. The rising of the Antediluvians is a portent of Gehenna, but what if Caine himself doesn't want Gehenna to happen just yet?
First time finish the game and I get my character killed in the explosion,then I had to back just to see if I could save my Boi,and I get this ending. So cool!
All endings (save for Kuei-Jin which makes no sense to take) have their merits. I actually had a lot of fun to play female Ventrue who was kind of awed/infatuated be her mentor LaCroix (picked his ending). She ignored the danger of sarcophagus and her death was a nice lesson how blind trust and hubris will lead to your downfall.
@@masterexploder9668 The only reasons that I can think up for the Kuei-Jin Ending's existence: 1) Your vampire is so filled with loathing for his/her own kind - self included - that any force capable of expunging all of the Kindred will have your aid in that extermination. (But then, if that's the motive, then why not give a road map, a pad full of handwritten notes and all of your weapons to Grunfeld Bach and tell him, "After you and the rest of the Society of Leopold are done staking me out for the sunrise, here's a list of names for all of our leaders, and here's where they hang out. Good luck!"? 2) For whatever reason, your vampire thinks that Ming Xiao has deeper pockets (or greater rewards overall) than LaCroix does. It simply never occurs to you that Ming Xiao regards Kindred with absolute contempt, despite her honeyed words to the contrary and her willingness to exterminate Grout on LaCroix's behalf. 3) Your vampire just thinks that Orientals are cool.
Flipping off Nines felt weird to me, I mean the guy saved you twice. Would have been satifying to do it to someone else like Strauss, Damsel, or Isaac, the ones that actively used you and gave you crap.
Strauss was cool in my book. He never really abused you in any way, he was actively plotting to remove LaCroix from power (as you learn if your Persuade skill's high enough), and if you're Tremere, he gives you a nice place to live. The only time he comes close to acting like a dick is if you tell Abrams that Strauss created the Gargoyle, prompting Strauss to permanently bar you from the Chantry. But considering that you broke Strauss' trust and confidence by spilling his beans to the Anarchs, that consequence is pretty well deserved. But yeah, Damsel needed to take a long walk off a short pier. To hell with that bitch.
In a way, three times. If it weren't for Nines picking up on the flames and what they were for in Griffin Park, BOTH of you would be completely blindsided by the werewolves. Seriously, the guy has done nothing BUT look out for you more often than not. I wish there was an Anarch ending where you didn't die at the end. I wanted to keep working with my bro.
How observant of you. Yes, that little letter opener/knife is in the shape of a modified ankh, the symbol for the Camarilla. In Vampire canon, there are three ankhs of different styles used to represent the Camarilla, the Sabbat and the Kindred in general. I'm surprised that I forgot to mention that before. :-S
Something is bugging me, if one of you good samaritans can explain it to me, how did the fledgling know what was inside ? seeing as the whole game we're told that presumably there is an anti deluvian inside how come my two choice are give him the key or open it myself, did I miss some dialogue where the fledgling is told that the sarcophagus is packed to the brim with C4 ?
The short answer is that the protagonist _doesn't_ have any idea that there's a bomb in the Sarcophagus. This is by Jack's design; if nobody else knows, then Prince LaCroix - the bomb's intended target - won't know either. The long answer: It's not that the protagonist ever hears, "There's a bomb in the Ankharan Sarcophagus," it's simply that several characters throughout the game tell you that opening the Sarcophagus would be unwise...Beckett, Strauss, Rosa (the Thinblood woman on the beach) and some mysterious person or entity who sends an email to you. It's unlikely that Beckett and Strauss are aware that Jack replaced the contents of the Sarcophagus (King Meserach's remains, a perfectly ordinary mummy) with a bomb; they're both scholarly sorts, and they seem to have deduced that there's an Antediluvian inside the Sarcophagus and that therefore, opening the Sarcophagus and releasing the Antediluvian would be a Very Bad Thing...namely, jumpstarting Gehenna, the End of Days for the Kindred. Rosa is psychic, and her premonition is what warns her (and, through her, the protagonist). But the premonition is vague; she doesn't know what's in the Sarcophagus, she only knows that opening the Sarcophagus would be bad. For all she knows, the bad thing inside the Sarcophagus could be a bomb, an Antediluvian, a flesh-eating supervirus, two-dozen rabid undead parakeets or anything else. The mysterious emailer could be Beckett, it could be Strauss or it could even be Jack himself. It might even be _Caine_ himself. Or it could be someone else entirely. We're never given any certain clues to the emailer's identity or to his/her rationale for trying to warn you, unfortunately. Of course, whether you heed any of these warnings or disregard them is entirely up to you.
@@BloodyBay but, what's the rationale behind having a line :" you want the key Lacroix ? Fetch, gift from the anarch" and my ither choices consist of opening it myself if by that point the game does it's best to tell me that if I open the sarcophagus I will probably unleash some vampire boogeyman. It makes no sens "gift from the anarch" indicate that the fledgling somehow knew
I would have been happy with a sadistic leer for my Tremere during the Camarilla and Kuei-Jin endings (for the latter, follow that look with the look of surprise when Ming Xiao sics her guards on her...or with any ending where the player's vampire finds the bomb in the sarcophagus). Some facial expressions would have been nice, yeah.
It looks like a letter opener to me. Of course, that begs the question, "Why does LaCroix have a letter opener on his desk if he doesn't have any mail? Or pens? Or scissors? Or anything else which would suggest that he actually does his paperwork there?"
OTOH, Caine was supposed to have a mark on his forehead which God put there so that all would know Caine for his crime. The cabbie has no such mark. But since the mark receives no mention in Bloodlines and very little mention in the original Vampire books (The Book of Nod and Gehenna are the only two books I recall mentioning the mark), this could have been a simple oversight on Troika's part, that or they just reused the model from the normal cabbie.
Yeah, I can appreciate how Troika didn't reduce the LaCroix encounter to another boss fight. You just got done slugging it out with his Sheriff, after all. The Sheriff somehow wouldn't seem as necessary to LaCroix's seat of power if LaCroix were an even greater skull-cracker than the Sheriff was.
Well, I hear that later patches put Nines and Skelter in the Anarch ending. And I have all patches installed. Maybe I'll see him when I finally slog through with my Nosferatu.
So I just have to wonder how Smiling Jack and Caine would have met. Did Caine pick Jack (of all the Kindred) to be his envoy for some peculiar reason, or are Jack's manhunting skills so vastly great that he managed to find the Dark Father and somehow persuade Caine to help him oust LaCroix?
Oh, I hear you. It makes me wonder why spammers spam when they're well aware that their message won't garner any customers, just lots of hostility and an eventual ban. Are they getting paid just to spam, even if the spamming is fruitless?
there are mods that bring the clans into the game though, but mainly it's just modiefied appearances with different disciplines (brujah appearance with obfuscate, fortitude, potence for instance)
So I too like how the two characters were handled. They made LaCroix a purely political villain, and they didn't cheapen the super-formidable Sheriff in doing so. So the "Oh, crap" moment where you meet the Sheriff and realize "He busted up all those Sabbat goons without breaking a sweat, yet he took off his trenchcoat just to fight me? He must think I'm a bad-ass, and I know he's a bad-ass, and this is going to be the fight to end all fights"...that moment is preserved. :-D
How do you get the solo ending? And to anyone pining for a sequel, at most we will get a spiritual successor. The multiple endings thing makes it kind of hard to make a sequel. Heck, even if in a new game they brought back Jack (aka the best character in Bloodlines) he wouldn't be able to say much about the Santa Monica event.
The loner ending the easiest path to take, actually. No matter what you do, Caine the Cabbie will _always_ give you the option of pursuing the loner ending; in fact, if you tick off LaCroix, tick off Ming Xiao, tick off the Anarchs _and_ tell Isaac Abrams that the Gargoyle once belonged to Regent Strauss, it's possible that the loner ending will be the _only_ ending available to you. It's the option (usually at the very bottom of the list of choices) that says something along the lines of "I want to forge my own destiny" or "No one is my master" or something like that. When Caine the Cabbie asks "Where to?", just pick that one. (Note that I said "easiest path," not "easiest ending". The LaCroix and Kuei Jin endings are by far the easiest to reach because you don't have to fight your way through both the Venture Tower _and_ the Golden Temple, just one or the other. The Camarilla, Anarchs and loner endings require you to fight through both armies of goons as well as both LaCroix's Sheriff and Ming Xiao's devil form. But the two easy endings are also the two _bad_ endings, while those last three endings all end well (as long as you don't open the sarcophagus yourself). Good luck!
Well there was going to be what I felt was a spiritual successor in the cancelled CCCP Vampir.e MMO World of Darkness. I would love a new single player Vampire the Masquerade RPG either in the vein of Redemption or Bloodlines. Even though there was not much to do in the world at least Bloodlines gave you areas of a city to explore, just imagine how much more fun it would be in a gigantic open world. Would love another game where you have to adhere to the rules of the Masquerade. Imagine if they threw in a day time/night time system.. Honestly if they do a good job with Cyberpunk 2077 would love for CD Projekt Red to take on Vampire the Masquerade. Also VTM:Bloodlines has I think of of the best video game soundtracks and video game scores ever. The music fits it perfectly.
thepayne An open-world game would be pretty hard. The sandbox-type thing Bloodlines had made the permanent night excusable, but an open-world with no time progression... I'm not sure how many will give that a pass. And the problem with a night/day system is calculating how many real life seconds are equal to one hour in the game. It needs to be long enough that you can actually get stuff done but short enough so that you don't get cocky and feel a sense of urgency when time starts running out.
jacoblgames Maybe that problem would be solved by giving the MMO world a standard eight-hour night, then thirty minutes of daytime (when the Kindred can hang out inside the Elysium of their choice, chat, discuss what they plan on doing with the next nightfall and/or replenish themselves in their coffins). Of course, if the characters are still _outside_ when the sun rises, they risk Final Death unless they can get inside and away from the sunlight in time; Fortitude might give you a bit more leeway here, but you still have to get inside before your vampire crumbles to ash and forces you to roll up a new character. After that half-hour, the server fast-forwards to the next nightfall, and the Kindred are free to roam the streets again. Time-contracting the daytime might be all that we need to give the players a sense of urgency to finish their business and get to Elysium, and at the same time preclude the preposterous spectacle of an endless night. What do you think?
Well I've recently started playing redemption and have a greater respect for the different clans and I'm kind of disappointed because the anarchs original clan in the redemption world was such a greater purpose. In this one they've just turned into angry little bees whose sole purpose is to fight against the camarilly and trust that their anarchy wont allow anyone to do whatever they want. So now i'm bummed about the anarchs because they seem childish in this new perspective.
And the kind of freedom they're after can only make the vampire race in the game slowly become that much worse off, without a greater pure purpose or something behind everything they do that encourages them to strive to be better, they will eventually slowly get worse. The camarilly use fear, shock, and awe to force vampires to adhere to a code. The protheans pursuit of knowledge strove them to live the way they did. One last post about the sabbat and my views.
I liked the camarilla ending myself, you kill the prince guy and get to serve a purpose that actually holds order, I know they force obedience somewhat, but unlike the anarchs, no chaos is important. The anarchs would allow vamps to run wild on the humans. The prince was a dictator, but siding with camarilla alone held lots of promise on its own.
The Camarilla were useless idiots who couldn't even protect their own ranks from a tyrran like Lacroix who allied with the Kuei Jin for his own vain ambitions!!!
@@jimakisspd The Camarilla as a whole were not responsible for that; LaCroix simply pulled a fast one on them. That's why the Camarilla's Inner Circle also has Justicars, Kindred who outrank Princes and whose entire job is to walk the earth, check in on Princes and their Princedoms and make sure that everything's running as it should be...and if it's not, the Justicar is typically attended by one or more Archons, whose job is to restore order by any means necessary, even if those means include removing a troublesome Prince from power and taking his/her place until the local Primogens elect a new Prince. So it seems that our Protagonist, with Regent Strauss' help, simply did the Justicars' job before the Justicars themselves could.
That's silver for you. In my old pan-WoD campaign, one of my players played a Wendigo Ahroun. The Society of Leopold sent a party of goons led by a Gladius Dei knight to abduct the PC party's Verbena, and the Wendigo jumped in to save her. The bad news was that the Gladius Dei was wearing silver knuckle dusters, and he punched the Wendigo in the chest to the tune of 5 levels of Aggie. The Gladius Dei lost anyway, but the Wendigo was a LOT more careful with Leopoldans after that. ;-)
@MisterAAnderson No, he wouldn't. He really wouldn't. Drops from a fraction of that height can kill the player. Also, with five seconds, he probably didn't have enough time to react much beyond absorbing what he was seeing. There was also the whole bleeding-out-and-crawling-across-the-floor thing going on, too.
Note my use of the words "at least". The Sheriff could have become a vampire ONE DAY before LaCroix picked him up, but he'd still be older than 100 years (especially if you count the Sheriff's mortal lifespan). So you're just saying the exact same thing I said. Was your attempt at one-upsmanship necessary?
at the very very end someone is sneaking up on the mummu-thief. who is that? the maincharacter? the person came sneaking at the ending where you ally with LaCroix too...
@CuckooNow Falling damage won't plunge a vampire into Final Death, just Torpor. Of course, Torpor's enough to fool the mortal paramedics into handing LaCroix over to the coroner, and the Camarilla would have to act quickly to retrieve LaCroix before he could come out of Torpor on the coroner's table and break the Masquerade. ...unless LaCroix DIDN'T have enough Blood Pool to recover from Torpor. Embalming a vampire after siphoning all his Vitae could mean an eternal Torpor. THAT would suck.
Now the sabbat are the worst for this. I loved that scene when christoff met a man from the clan that I think became the sabbat. He was in low spirits being damned and asked about how he could have faith in god being what he was, and the man said to live like a man and never let the beast loose, live as a godly man and god would see fit to forgive him possibly. And I remember thinking, "Wow, this man's awesome clan become nothing more than a bunch of out of control monsters. How sad is that?"
@Paradoxical003 Mage: The Ascension has an explanation for God, too. ;) The Umbrood include all manner of unearthly beings, and mages (particularly the Order of Hermes) would classify God as a Rank 10 Umbrood, one of the most powerful beings in existence. An Umbrood of that magnitude would cause global cataclysm if they ever directly set foot on Earth, so most Umbrood are content to stay in the Horizon (the spirit world), which explains why God's so hard to contact these days. :)
The mini-community around this game strongly believes the cabbie to be Caine, even though the game never comes out and says that's who he is. Some of the evidence:
good question. i think its should remain open, just like if caine truly exists (and if he is cabbie) and gehenna is true or just a mith (in the pen&paper RPG it is true, but in the videogame its not clear). perhaps Messerach is only a dead Assirian king, and becket (another great charcter) was right all the time
@Paradoxical003 Also I wouldn't say that God is a physical entity as he may just be a paragon. With conflicting views from 7 or so different races you can't really say. He is, most likely, a paragon.
Not to mention costume mods and model swappers. There are a ton of those out there. I wouldn't mind playing the Tremere male as a Ventrue character, for example, but I just don't see the point in, say, the Malkavian female nude patch. Different strokes and all.
Eh, they all have their pros and cons. But I'm in love with both the brainy Tremere and the nasty Nosferatu. Speaking of which, I need to get back to playing my Nossie. Maybe I'll beat the game with her SOMEtime before the month's out....
Puppet Master: Override a target's mind completely and make them think and act as you Create Name: Create a whole new identity for yourself that overcomes any suspicions Another skill worthy of mention, is one of the ultimate Obfuscate skills: Memories Fading Glimpse: Remove all traces of your existence from history
@@hellyeah3889 I could see that. "Hey, Jack! Thanks for being perfectly willing to ash me just to take LaCroix out! Too bad I had the good sense to _not_ open that sarcophagus, huh?" Then again, we never found out who sent that mysterious email telling you to _not_ open the Sarcophagus. What if that mystery man _was_ Jack? :-/
@Paradoxical003 It's actually never said what exactly God in oWoD is. Mages, Fera, Vampires, Mages and Wraiths all have their views on God but it is never said what he exactly is.
Oh fuck, so the cabbie man is Caine? Jeee, thats cool, Caine driving his taxi. Well, maybe just two characters have one voice, or its really Caine. Interesting...
I don't see any reason why Caine would kill Jack. It could even be that Caine anticipates needing Jack's help again in the future. So I'll wager on Caine letting Jack live.
the problem with the whole philosophy behind the anarchs in bloodlines, I believe, is that they're so fed up with the camarilly that all they care about is being free from them. They're whole purpose is freedom to do what you want, and that freedom is the very thing that creates chaos. If they were seeking a greater purpose other than not having to listen to one particular sect of vampires, then they would have a purpose and would truly prospor rather than their morals and everything degrade.
Another spammer reported. I've noticed a few of you spambots coming out of the woodwork to target my videos lately, even though I don't have any porn-related material in my videos at all (so your spambots aren't zeroing in on my keywords). Are you spammers coming at me as some sort of revenge? Then I say "bring it". You keep spamming me, I keep reporting you and getting you banned, you lose, I win...yeah. Bring it! >:-)
I'd love to see a new VTM game, but white wolf said that VTM is dead, and replaced with Vampire The Requiem, wich I don't like much. still, a game based on VTM would be nice, speccially if you can choose from ALL clans, not just the camarilla, I mean my favorite ones are the assamites, and the lasombra, but those 2 don't show up here U_U
hehehe - I never get tired of the one-finger salute ending...Probably 'cause you're sick of him calling you 'kid' lol. One thing about VTMB I hate, is the whole lack of facial expression on your character...I mean, Troika did all the NPCs faces & facial expressions excellently, unlike Oblivion for e.g. WHY CAN'T YOUR CHARACTER SHOW ANY EXPRESSION WHATSOEVER??????? lol.
This might seem a bit out of place, but about the Caine issue: That just might be him, and at the same time, not. If we are to follow the WoD lore and VTM, it might just be an Antediluvian. They possess rank 10 in whatever disciplines they master, and there are 2 fancy skills they master thanks to that: Create Name from Obfuscate, and Puppet Master of Dominate, I'll describe the two skills in another post, as I've run out of space.
Probably my favorite ending. All by yourself, you wipe out those Kuei-Jin bastards and their POS priestess for good, you destroy the LA Camarilla, LaCroix gets his ass kicked the way he deserves, and you give the Anarchs the finger. You even walk away from a wall of flames like a badass.
(Don't get me wrong, I like the Anarchs and the Anarch ending, but Nines, Damsel and Skelter are kinda dickish to you for most of the game, so it's fun to see your character walk past Nines without even looking at him)
Don't forget Andrei and his Sabbat
Camarilla is not exactly destroyed, because Strauss is still out there, what we do is remove a renegade loose cannon (LaCroix), but the entire place belongs mainly to Anarchs so I guess things stay more or less at status quo.
@Master Exploder Yeah, the Los Angeles Camarilla was just one branch of a worldwide organization, so I'll guess they'll try and seize control of the city again, but the actions of the main character have definitely weakened them for a while.
(Apparently, according to the White Wolf Wiki, there are three possible outcomes, depending on the expanded universe material you're referring to or to the version of the pen and paper RPG you're playing. Either a Camarilla princess tries to take over the city but is quickly overthrown by the Thin-bloods, or the Anarchs manage to maintain control over LA, or the Camarilla takes advantage of the threat posed by the Inquisition to negotiate a truce with the Anarchs and reestablish a Prince as head of the city)
The Anarchs are just the Camarilla with a better sales pitch, Nines bosses you and all the younger kindred around same as LaCroix would.
@@SHDW-nf2ki I believe that from a purely ideological standpoint the Anarchs are the better option, but yeah, that's only in theory. It's easy to argue that in practice, they reproduce all the flaws in the Camarilla's system, only with different vocabulary and aesthetic - something the game points out in multiple occasions.
I like this ending bc the fledgling at least in my play through seemed like a reluctant errand boy caught up in something they didn’t ask to be a part of and so with this ending the fledgling is like I’m done being an errand boy
"We could use someone like you"... "use" was a pretty wrong word to use there
I like how LaCroix laughs hysterically after seeing the bombs lmao
Ah, yes...the manic laugh of a man realizing that he's the butt of the most lethal joke ever and there's nothing he can do about it! :D
It would be nice to see Smiling Jack come back in the sequel...IF it ever gets out of Development Hell, that is. Damsel's in, but she looks so much rougher and more haggard than Bloodlines here depicted her.
@@BloodyBay Nice to see you're still alive
@@b3nl555 Thank you. It's nice to _be_ alive. 🙂
I've been wanting to do with my UA-cam channel since the Coronapocalypse, but unfortunately, I'm on HughesNet now; it's almost impossible to upload a video without the connection dying halfway through. 😒
"We can use someone like you"
Wait, nines Rodriguez really spoke that? Nines Rodriguez? An anarch?
Well.. you're not so different then Lacroix after all
Worth noting that the real mastermind behind the plot was Smiling Jack (Anarch) working with Cabbie/Caine. They essentially threw the damn thing in the middle of city and enjoyed the fireworks when all factions to decided to destroy/diablerize/hide whatever was supposed to hide inside. It could be a test by Caine to see if his progeny is worth saving, or it could just be a prank. The Thin-Blood from Santa Monica said you can only trust Mercurio and Beckett, so I rest my case.
@@masterexploder9668 So the cab guy is Caine, like THE Caine? well damn.
@@gokuthehedgehog100 According to game devs and name of his files (Caine) he's supposed to be the real Caine. Could make quite a bit of sense, also Malkavian PC will be absolutely terrified in their last encounter due to this special insane insight.
@@Testingthisname The only difference being that Nines could actually put up a fight, and La Croix being a complete beta without the Sheriff protecting him.
Welcome to the real world . These people are just another brand of sheep and shepherds, playing one against the other. What is Nines without Lacroix to fight against and vice versa. All his chill ""I'm cool with you doing whatever "" anarch-talk is just another act. its the same IRL with Politicians , right or left, ultimately they all just want to control everyone by peddling fear and propaganda .
the best ending. But personally, i would never give the middle finger to someone that saved my life at least twice....
Neither would I, and I like to think that a classy Kindred (like your typical Ventrue or Toreador) would have the good sense to find a more civil or courteous way of turning Nines down than that.
The protagonist should save the blatant shows of disrespect for Damsel and Skelter, who actually _did_ disrespect him/her at various points in the story. Nines only gets a bit cross when accused of being a "Prince of the Anarchs," and even then he honors some measure of restraint.
You can always get this ending, even if your actions in-game block all the other endings. At any rate, just keep leaning towards the "I want to be alone" chat options in your dialogue with Caine the Cabbie and you'll get there.
Aah Clan Tremere. First Clan I ever picked and is still remains my favorite one.
There's to something about clan who possesses the ability to make a person's blood boil, resulting in a rather nasty explosion ^^
Also, my fav ending ^^
Poor Nines though :p
yeah,l just finished my first run of vtmb yesterday,and l chose tremere aswell
I wouldn't say poor nines given he showed his true colors and tried to use the fledgling the same way everyone else used and abused him for their own political motives. He deserved that middle finger.
I picked Malkavian for my first playthrough(crazy, I know), and basically stumbled into the lone wolf ending, thinking I was with Nines, which was fitting with the Malkavian as he was a bit panicky after the stealth to the cab
After the backstabbing that asshole did, it was SO satisfying to see him finally get what was coming for him
The cabbie who ferries you around town before the ending (assuming you're not Nosferatu) has a different tone and accent than the cabbie at the end does, though. And when Jack takes you back to Santa Monica and briefs you about the Blood Hunt that LaCroix called on you, Jack does mention that he called in his friend to get you out of there. All you have to do is fight your way to his cab....
I patched my version up to 4.7 and the endings are slightly different. With the lone wolf ending, The Prince says he'll "crush you like paper" before opening the Box Of Doom.
In any ending where the Box of Doom explodes, Jack says something about it being thrown out there simply to get all the factions to fight each other.
I think my Malkavian summed it up best: "I'M SO SICK OF THAT BOX" and "Give you a massive chest wound, you say? My pleasure!"
That's the nice thing about the No Allegiance ending: no matter how badly you screw up the game, no matter how deeply you annoy Strauss, no matter how big a rift you drive between yourself and the Anarchs...you can still tell LaCroix off and help him get blasted to smithereens. >:-)
I guess with the line "it happened just like you said", the malkavian who thinks they're Kaine theory kinda makes sense. But still, if Malkavians can see parts of the future, why'd Kaine be incapable of seeing it?
If only you could side the club sisters.
Theresa is pro-Cam while Jeanette is pro-Anarch from what I remember.
As I recall, Therese Voerman holds the official rank of Baroness, which is an Anarch rank (the same Anarch rank that Isaac Abrams is). Siding with her could have made an alternate route for joining the Anarchs, come to think of it.
@BloodyBay Jannet is the Anarch Therese is Camarilla Baroness
@@Докторпарадокс As I suggested in the previous comment, the Camarilla doesn't have any Barons in their hierarchy. Every Camarilla city has a Prince, along with several aides and lieutenants between the Prince and the rank-and-file...a Seneschal, a Sheriff, a Scourge, a Herald, one or more Alastors, one or more Whips, one or more Harpies, one or more Keepers of Elysium, possibly one or more Hounds, possibly a Chancellor, and a Primogen representing each Clan present in that city. Above the Prince, you have the Archons, the Justicars, possibly a Dux Bellorum or an Imperator in times of great contention, all the way up to the Inner Circle themselves. There are no Barons in the mix, at least not for the Camarilla.
Among the Anarchs, however, a Baron is the equivalent of a Prince, ruling his or her own slice of territory with the aid of several aides and lieutenants: Reeves, Coyotes, Sweepers, Molotovs and such. As the Anarchs aren't big fans of power structures or figures of authority, there are no Anarch ranks above Baron, and Baronies may ally with each other but are not bound together by any Inner Circle of their own; this assures each Barony of their independence, yet makes their task of calling in reinforcements or other aid in times of need all the more problematic.
As the story of Bloodlines suggests here and there, the Camarilla, in their smugness, identify Anarchs as subjects yet make little or no accommodation to recognize their respective ranks in Anarch society; a Prince often holds a Baron in no higher regard than he would regard a run-of-the-mill neonate. The Anarchs, of course, are free to either scoff at the Camarilla's overtures at authority or play along and masquerade as loyal subjects, the better to conduct reconnaissance, study the Camarilla's ranks and prepare themselves for whenever the time becomes ripe for the Anarchs to rebel against the Camarilla.
Anyway, Jeanette and Therese are _both_ Anarchs. Therese is the Baroness of Santa Monica, while Jeanette is just...Jeanette. As Jeanette is the owner and manager of the Asylum, her equivalent rank in the Camarilla would be Keeper of Elysium, but the Anarchs don't seem to recognize that rank. And how their merge into "Tourette" (if indeed the story takes that turn in your hands) affects Therese's title - and Jeanette's lack of title - is never determined; Malkavians with multiple identities are quite the odd assortment.
@@BloodyBay thanks for such detailed answers about ranks since Therese had a feud with Tung a Camarilla Nosferatu and hated Jeannette I assumed Jeannette was an Anarch and Therese a Camarilla who wanted LA to be her domain
Hey, he's just saying that he didn't like this ending. He loved the rest of the game; he just didn't like the ending. You may not agree with him, but he's not flaming or trolling, and he is entitled to his opinion. Leave him be.
I played this route as a Malkavian and I loved the last words you give to LaCroix
"Like you, I am gone"
First I chose to be LaCroix's fave. Then on my second playthrough I was lowkey mad I got this ending bc LaCroix roasted me. I wanted to help Nines too but at the same time the Anarchs and Camarilla both sucked so I do guess this was the perfect ending for how I felt LOL.
RANT OVER TIME FOR PLAYTHROUGH 3.
The game never comes out and says that it's Caine. But there are a few signs and clues along the way which suggest that it's probably him.
@Paradoxical003 Actually, if you read through the books for both Vampire and Mage: The Ascension (especially Revelations of the Dark Mother), Lilith is not a vampire at all. She's the first mage, which makes sense. A superhuman woman, cast out of Eden, keeping company with Lucifer the Lightbringer...she awakens, grows wildly powerful over the centuries and creates her own Horizon Realm of eternal Autumn. The Verbena in particular revere her, some even honoring her as a Paragon or a goddess.
Anyone can get this ending; in the cab ride after the Blood Hunt, just keep leaning towards the "I want to be alone" answers. Nothing to it.
Just got this ending. Was actually trying to get Strauss ending but something was wrong with my game and I didnt get the option. But needless to say this led me to this, the best ending by far
As I recall, the choice which has the most effect on whether or not you can reach the Camarilla Ending is whether or not you tell Isaac Abrams that Regent Strauss created the Gargoyle, even after Strauss asks you to keep the Gargoyle's origins a secret; if you do, then you alienate Strauss and he locks you out of the Chantry (and thus won't have anything more to do with you), so he won't be there to help you remove LaCroix from power. (I'm not sure if allowing the Gargoyle to live and join the Anarchs will also tank your relations with Strauss, as I've never done that.) Other than that, just be courteous towards Strauss every time you interact with him.
Or did you do all of that already?
I was very careful to not tell issac about the gargoyle, I had access to the tremere sanctuary and Strauss was still friendly to me hell I could even tell the cab driver to take me to my haven which was the tremere sanctuary during the beginning of the final mission. I double checked everything, whats also weird is that I should have also had the option to side with Ming Xiao but I never got that option either, the only option I had with the cabbie was to go independent which really sucks, I was going to do multiple runs but now Im not because of the terrible bug. I use Clan Quest Mod, the only factions I ever pissed off were the anarchs and andrei when you have the option to join sabbat
@@notimportant8643 That is a bit weird, then. You might have some 1's and 0's out of place. Which Unofficial Patch are you using?
I use the latest version of the Clan quest mod which includes the 9.2 version of the unofficial patch. Any advice on how to fix this would be immensely appreciated. That is the only thing that’s discouraging me from a second play through. Although I think I can still do the Sabbat quest line and get that ending still I think but I wanna do a malkavian run and get the secret ending but I’m worried that it’s going to force me to go independent again
@@notimportant8643 The latest version of the Unofficial Patch is 10.8, which is what I have installed. I don't have any Clan Quest mod installed, though, so I'm wondering whether or not Patch 10.8 is compatible with Clan Quest. :-/
If you want to give it a try, you can find Unofficial Patch 10.8 here: www.moddb.com/mods/vtmb-unofficial-patch/downloads . It solved my "disappearing Mercurio" glitch, among other problems. :-)
1) The sound files for the cabbie's speech are located in a folder named "Caine".
2) At one point, the cabbie expresses his expectation that the Anarchs will eventually build a new Enoch. Enoch was the city which Caine originally built to be a utopia between mortals and vampires.
3) A Malkavian character will identify the cabbie as "Father" after the cabbie's last words to him/her. Caine is the father of all vampires.
@Vildasnaga No worries. I figured that Jack chilling with the mummy was just another way for a mocking, rebellious guy like Jack to express himself, as if to say "They were getting all riled up over a mummy and they didn't even know it." But to each his own.
If that's the way Jack expresses love, I'd hate to see him get raging mad. :-O
...except that if LaCroix were indeed out to diablerize an Antediluvian, it makes me wonder if Caine would drop by and keep an eye on him just to see if LaCroix actually succeeded...or to ensure that LaCroix didn't.
The rising of the Antediluvians is a portent of Gehenna, but what if Caine himself doesn't want Gehenna to happen just yet?
First time finish the game and I get my character killed in the explosion,then I had to back just to see if I could save my Boi,and I get this ending. So cool!
I still prefer the Camarilla ending, but the Lone Wolf ending has its merits too. Lots of players go lone wolf for a good reason, I assume. :]
All endings (save for Kuei-Jin which makes no sense to take) have their merits. I actually had a lot of fun to play female Ventrue who was kind of awed/infatuated be her mentor LaCroix (picked his ending). She ignored the danger of sarcophagus and her death was a nice lesson how blind trust and hubris will lead to your downfall.
@@masterexploder9668 The only reasons that I can think up for the Kuei-Jin Ending's existence:
1) Your vampire is so filled with loathing for his/her own kind - self included - that any force capable of expunging all of the Kindred will have your aid in that extermination. (But then, if that's the motive, then why not give a road map, a pad full of handwritten notes and all of your weapons to Grunfeld Bach and tell him, "After you and the rest of the Society of Leopold are done staking me out for the sunrise, here's a list of names for all of our leaders, and here's where they hang out. Good luck!"?
2) For whatever reason, your vampire thinks that Ming Xiao has deeper pockets (or greater rewards overall) than LaCroix does. It simply never occurs to you that Ming Xiao regards Kindred with absolute contempt, despite her honeyed words to the contrary and her willingness to exterminate Grout on LaCroix's behalf.
3) Your vampire just thinks that Orientals are cool.
@@BloodyBay my tremere was tempted to join her cause she was hot,but she decided to go with good ol maximilian
@@SMon42 Good thing your Tremere did that. Ming Xiao is treacherous as hell! ;-)
Flipping off Nines felt weird to me, I mean the guy saved you twice. Would have been satifying to do it to someone else like Strauss, Damsel, or Isaac, the ones that actively used you and gave you crap.
Strauss was cool in my book. He never really abused you in any way, he was actively plotting to remove LaCroix from power (as you learn if your Persuade skill's high enough), and if you're Tremere, he gives you a nice place to live. The only time he comes close to acting like a dick is if you tell Abrams that Strauss created the Gargoyle, prompting Strauss to permanently bar you from the Chantry. But considering that you broke Strauss' trust and confidence by spilling his beans to the Anarchs, that consequence is pretty well deserved.
But yeah, Damsel needed to take a long walk off a short pier. To hell with that bitch.
In a way, three times. If it weren't for Nines picking up on the flames and what they were for in Griffin Park, BOTH of you would be completely blindsided by the werewolves.
Seriously, the guy has done nothing BUT look out for you more often than not. I wish there was an Anarch ending where you didn't die at the end. I wanted to keep working with my bro.
He is the cab driver aka. Cain the first of the Vampire (look in the database for this cutscene's speech the mp3 name for the driver sentence is cain
How observant of you. Yes, that little letter opener/knife is in the shape of a modified ankh, the symbol for the Camarilla. In Vampire canon, there are three ankhs of different styles used to represent the Camarilla, the Sabbat and the Kindred in general. I'm surprised that I forgot to mention that before. :-S
Something is bugging me, if one of you good samaritans can explain it to me, how did the fledgling know what was inside ? seeing as the whole game we're told that presumably there is an anti deluvian inside how come my two choice are give him the key or open it myself, did I miss some dialogue where the fledgling is told that the sarcophagus is packed to the brim with C4 ?
The short answer is that the protagonist _doesn't_ have any idea that there's a bomb in the Sarcophagus. This is by Jack's design; if nobody else knows, then Prince LaCroix - the bomb's intended target - won't know either.
The long answer: It's not that the protagonist ever hears, "There's a bomb in the Ankharan Sarcophagus," it's simply that several characters throughout the game tell you that opening the Sarcophagus would be unwise...Beckett, Strauss, Rosa (the Thinblood woman on the beach) and some mysterious person or entity who sends an email to you. It's unlikely that Beckett and Strauss are aware that Jack replaced the contents of the Sarcophagus (King Meserach's remains, a perfectly ordinary mummy) with a bomb; they're both scholarly sorts, and they seem to have deduced that there's an Antediluvian inside the Sarcophagus and that therefore, opening the Sarcophagus and releasing the Antediluvian would be a Very Bad Thing...namely, jumpstarting Gehenna, the End of Days for the Kindred.
Rosa is psychic, and her premonition is what warns her (and, through her, the protagonist). But the premonition is vague; she doesn't know what's in the Sarcophagus, she only knows that opening the Sarcophagus would be bad. For all she knows, the bad thing inside the Sarcophagus could be a bomb, an Antediluvian, a flesh-eating supervirus, two-dozen rabid undead parakeets or anything else.
The mysterious emailer could be Beckett, it could be Strauss or it could even be Jack himself. It might even be _Caine_ himself. Or it could be someone else entirely. We're never given any certain clues to the emailer's identity or to his/her rationale for trying to warn you, unfortunately. Of course, whether you heed any of these warnings or disregard them is entirely up to you.
@@BloodyBay but, what's the rationale behind having a line :" you want the key Lacroix ? Fetch, gift from the anarch" and my ither choices consist of opening it myself if by that point the game does it's best to tell me that if I open the sarcophagus I will probably unleash some vampire boogeyman.
It makes no sens "gift from the anarch" indicate that the fledgling somehow knew
It makes more sense as a Malkavian as they learn almost immediately that the sarcophagus has a bomb when talking to rosa
I would have been happy with a sadistic leer for my Tremere during the Camarilla and Kuei-Jin endings (for the latter, follow that look with the look of surprise when Ming Xiao sics her guards on her...or with any ending where the player's vampire finds the bomb in the sarcophagus).
Some facial expressions would have been nice, yeah.
It looks like a letter opener to me. Of course, that begs the question, "Why does LaCroix have a letter opener on his desk if he doesn't have any mail? Or pens? Or scissors? Or anything else which would suggest that he actually does his paperwork there?"
this was my first ending and it pwns all the others .... its just the type of person you are , i pwn
That's what makes the Ocean House one of the best parts in the game! Wraiths really know how to bring the party, even if it's not Halloween. :-)
I walk alone...for now.
Jack gets to own LaCroix in the LaCroix ending and the Anarch ending, too. :-)
OTOH, Caine was supposed to have a mark on his forehead which God put there so that all would know Caine for his crime. The cabbie has no such mark. But since the mark receives no mention in Bloodlines and very little mention in the original Vampire books (The Book of Nod and Gehenna are the only two books I recall mentioning the mark), this could have been a simple oversight on Troika's part, that or they just reused the model from the normal cabbie.
Yeah, I can appreciate how Troika didn't reduce the LaCroix encounter to another boss fight. You just got done slugging it out with his Sheriff, after all. The Sheriff somehow wouldn't seem as necessary to LaCroix's seat of power if LaCroix were an even greater skull-cracker than the Sheriff was.
Well, I hear that later patches put Nines and Skelter in the Anarch ending. And I have all patches installed. Maybe I'll see him when I finally slog through with my Nosferatu.
So I just have to wonder how Smiling Jack and Caine would have met. Did Caine pick Jack (of all the Kindred) to be his envoy for some peculiar reason, or are Jack's manhunting skills so vastly great that he managed to find the Dark Father and somehow persuade Caine to help him oust LaCroix?
Oh, I hear you. It makes me wonder why spammers spam when they're well aware that their message won't garner any customers, just lots of hostility and an eventual ban. Are they getting paid just to spam, even if the spamming is fruitless?
there are mods that bring the clans into the game though, but mainly it's just modiefied appearances with different disciplines (brujah appearance with obfuscate, fortitude, potence for instance)
So I too like how the two characters were handled. They made LaCroix a purely political villain, and they didn't cheapen the super-formidable Sheriff in doing so. So the "Oh, crap" moment where you meet the Sheriff and realize "He busted up all those Sabbat goons without breaking a sweat, yet he took off his trenchcoat just to fight me? He must think I'm a bad-ass, and I know he's a bad-ass, and this is going to be the fight to end all fights"...that moment is preserved. :-D
How do you get the solo ending? And to anyone pining for a sequel, at most we will get a spiritual successor. The multiple endings thing makes it kind of hard to make a sequel. Heck, even if in a new game they brought back Jack (aka the best character in Bloodlines) he wouldn't be able to say much about the Santa Monica event.
The loner ending the easiest path to take, actually. No matter what you do, Caine the Cabbie will _always_ give you the option of pursuing the loner ending; in fact, if you tick off LaCroix, tick off Ming Xiao, tick off the Anarchs _and_ tell Isaac Abrams that the Gargoyle once belonged to Regent Strauss, it's possible that the loner ending will be the _only_ ending available to you. It's the option (usually at the very bottom of the list of choices) that says something along the lines of "I want to forge my own destiny" or "No one is my master" or something like that. When Caine the Cabbie asks "Where to?", just pick that one.
(Note that I said "easiest path," not "easiest ending". The LaCroix and Kuei Jin endings are by far the easiest to reach because you don't have to fight your way through both the Venture Tower _and_ the Golden Temple, just one or the other. The Camarilla, Anarchs and loner endings require you to fight through both armies of goons as well as both LaCroix's Sheriff and Ming Xiao's devil form. But the two easy endings are also the two _bad_ endings, while those last three endings all end well (as long as you don't open the sarcophagus yourself). Good luck!
Well there was going to be what I felt was a spiritual successor in the cancelled CCCP Vampir.e MMO World of Darkness.
I would love a new single player Vampire the Masquerade RPG either in the vein of Redemption or Bloodlines. Even though there was not much to do in the world at least Bloodlines gave you areas of a city to explore, just imagine how much more fun it would be in a gigantic open world. Would love another game where you have to adhere to the rules of the Masquerade. Imagine if they threw in a day time/night time system..
Honestly if they do a good job with Cyberpunk 2077 would love for CD Projekt Red to take on Vampire the Masquerade.
Also VTM:Bloodlines has I think of of the best video game soundtracks and video game scores ever. The music fits it perfectly.
thepayne An open-world game would be pretty hard. The sandbox-type thing Bloodlines had made the permanent night excusable, but an open-world with no time progression... I'm not sure how many will give that a pass.
And the problem with a night/day system is calculating how many real life seconds are equal to one hour in the game. It needs to be long enough that you can actually get stuff done but short enough so that you don't get cocky and feel a sense of urgency when time starts running out.
jacoblgames Maybe that problem would be solved by giving the MMO world a standard eight-hour night, then thirty minutes of daytime (when the Kindred can hang out inside the Elysium of their choice, chat, discuss what they plan on doing with the next nightfall and/or replenish themselves in their coffins). Of course, if the characters are still _outside_ when the sun rises, they risk Final Death unless they can get inside and away from the sunlight in time; Fortitude might give you a bit more leeway here, but you still have to get inside before your vampire crumbles to ash and forces you to roll up a new character.
After that half-hour, the server fast-forwards to the next nightfall, and the Kindred are free to roam the streets again. Time-contracting the daytime might be all that we need to give the players a sense of urgency to finish their business and get to Elysium, and at the same time preclude the preposterous spectacle of an endless night. What do you think?
BloodyBay MMO? I guarantee you the reason why that was cancelled is because it was too damn expensive.
Well I've recently started playing redemption and have a greater respect for the different clans and I'm kind of disappointed because the anarchs original clan in the redemption world was such a greater purpose. In this one they've just turned into angry little bees whose sole purpose is to fight against the camarilly and trust that their anarchy wont allow anyone to do whatever they want. So now i'm bummed about the anarchs because they seem childish in this new perspective.
And the kind of freedom they're after can only make the vampire race in the game slowly become that much worse off, without a greater pure purpose or something behind everything they do that encourages them to strive to be better, they will eventually slowly get worse. The camarilly use fear, shock, and awe to force vampires to adhere to a code. The protheans pursuit of knowledge strove them to live the way they did. One last post about the sabbat and my views.
Planetvampire has a good number of mods and patches, as I recall. Give that site a try.
I liked the camarilla ending myself, you kill the prince guy and get to serve a purpose that actually holds order, I know they force obedience somewhat, but unlike the anarchs, no chaos is important. The anarchs would allow vamps to run wild on the humans. The prince was a dictator, but siding with camarilla alone held lots of promise on its own.
The Camarilla were useless idiots who couldn't even protect their own ranks from a tyrran like Lacroix who allied with the Kuei Jin for his own vain ambitions!!!
@@jimakisspd The Camarilla as a whole were not responsible for that; LaCroix simply pulled a fast one on them. That's why the Camarilla's Inner Circle also has Justicars, Kindred who outrank Princes and whose entire job is to walk the earth, check in on Princes and their Princedoms and make sure that everything's running as it should be...and if it's not, the Justicar is typically attended by one or more Archons, whose job is to restore order by any means necessary, even if those means include removing a troublesome Prince from power and taking his/her place until the local Primogens elect a new Prince.
So it seems that our Protagonist, with Regent Strauss' help, simply did the Justicars' job before the Justicars themselves could.
That's no surprise. Clan Tremere's a bunch of movers and shakers, aren't they? :-)
Well, for what it's worth, the Sheriff's at least 100 years old. You got to kick HIS butt, right? :-)
You really should break out the Fraps, upload those endings and let us see them. :D
That's silver for you. In my old pan-WoD campaign, one of my players played a Wendigo Ahroun. The Society of Leopold sent a party of goons led by a Gladius Dei knight to abduct the PC party's Verbena, and the Wendigo jumped in to save her.
The bad news was that the Gladius Dei was wearing silver knuckle dusters, and he punched the Wendigo in the chest to the tune of 5 levels of Aggie.
The Gladius Dei lost anyway, but the Wendigo was a LOT more careful with Leopoldans after that. ;-)
@MisterAAnderson No, he wouldn't. He really wouldn't. Drops from a fraction of that height can kill the player. Also, with five seconds, he probably didn't have enough time to react much beyond absorbing what he was seeing.
There was also the whole bleeding-out-and-crawling-across-the-floor thing going on, too.
Note my use of the words "at least".
The Sheriff could have become a vampire ONE DAY before LaCroix picked him up, but he'd still be older than 100 years (especially if you count the Sheriff's mortal lifespan).
So you're just saying the exact same thing I said. Was your attempt at one-upsmanship necessary?
at the very very end someone is sneaking up on the mummu-thief. who is that? the maincharacter?
the person came sneaking at the ending where you ally with LaCroix too...
Oh, hello, the guy at the end of the video, is that Caine that said something?
@CuckooNow Falling damage won't plunge a vampire into Final Death, just Torpor. Of course, Torpor's enough to fool the mortal paramedics into handing LaCroix over to the coroner, and the Camarilla would have to act quickly to retrieve LaCroix before he could come out of Torpor on the coroner's table and break the Masquerade.
...unless LaCroix DIDN'T have enough Blood Pool to recover from Torpor. Embalming a vampire after siphoning all his Vitae could mean an eternal Torpor. THAT would suck.
Now the sabbat are the worst for this. I loved that scene when christoff met a man from the clan that I think became the sabbat. He was in low spirits being damned and asked about how he could have faith in god being what he was, and the man said to live like a man and never let the beast loose, live as a godly man and god would see fit to forgive him possibly. And I remember thinking, "Wow, this man's awesome clan become nothing more than a bunch of out of control monsters. How sad is that?"
@Paradoxical003 Mage: The Ascension has an explanation for God, too. ;)
The Umbrood include all manner of unearthly beings, and mages (particularly the Order of Hermes) would classify God as a Rank 10 Umbrood, one of the most powerful beings in existence. An Umbrood of that magnitude would cause global cataclysm if they ever directly set foot on Earth, so most Umbrood are content to stay in the Horizon (the spirit world), which explains why God's so hard to contact these days. :)
Most badass ending. I love the Anarchs but I'd pick this ending over their's
The mini-community around this game strongly believes the cabbie to be Caine, even though the game never comes out and says that's who he is. Some of the evidence:
And I support the Camarilla and their ending. You WILL respect my authority! >B-)
good question. i think its should remain open, just like if caine truly exists (and if he is cabbie) and gehenna is true or just a mith (in the pen&paper RPG it is true, but in the videogame its not clear).
perhaps Messerach is only a dead Assirian king, and becket (another great charcter) was right all the time
@Paradoxical003 Also I wouldn't say that God is a physical entity as he may just be a paragon. With conflicting views from 7 or so different races you can't really say. He is, most likely, a paragon.
Not to mention costume mods and model swappers. There are a ton of those out there. I wouldn't mind playing the Tremere male as a Ventrue character, for example, but I just don't see the point in, say, the Malkavian female nude patch. Different strokes and all.
@Vildasnaga You missed out on the Camarilla ending, didn't you?
my fav ending.
This game rox!
Eh, they all have their pros and cons. But I'm in love with both the brainy Tremere and the nasty Nosferatu. Speaking of which, I need to get back to playing my Nossie. Maybe I'll beat the game with her SOMEtime before the month's out....
Puppet Master: Override a target's mind completely and make them think and act as you
Create Name: Create a whole new identity for yourself that overcomes any suspicions
Another skill worthy of mention, is one of the ultimate Obfuscate skills:
Memories Fading Glimpse: Remove all traces of your existence from history
@Paradoxical003 And did Caine(driver) killed Jack in the end?
Yeah, Jack does things like that. ;-)
I have no control over that, but someone should.
3:25
Wait, who appears here?
Is that my character or is that caine?
It's Caine. He doesn't exactly resemble your protagonist, especially if you played something like a Nosferatu woman. >;)
@@BloodyBay thanks, it would have been really cool if this ending in specific had my character appear behind jack, seeking revenge.
@@hellyeah3889 I could see that. "Hey, Jack! Thanks for being perfectly willing to ash me just to take LaCroix out! Too bad I had the good sense to _not_ open that sarcophagus, huh?"
Then again, we never found out who sent that mysterious email telling you to _not_ open the Sarcophagus. What if that mystery man _was_ Jack? :-/
@@BloodyBay anyway it would have been super cool.
@@BloodyBay Thanks, man.😊😊
@Paradoxical003 It's actually never said what exactly God in oWoD is. Mages, Fera, Vampires, Mages and Wraiths all have their views on God but it is never said what he exactly is.
Well, if my videos serve no greater purpose, I can at least show you the way to get to an endgame and come out *alive*. ;-)
Oh fuck, so the cabbie man is Caine? Jeee, thats cool, Caine driving his taxi. Well, maybe just two characters have one voice, or its really Caine. Interesting...
@Jade006 eh prefer Malkavian, theres something about how they speak like lunatics...and reffering to lacroix as the jester always makes me smile lol
how u know that? It doesn´t make sence that he is the cane...
Jack and cain are the best
"he" refers to jack, right? i mean, that girl does refer to the "lone wolf," and "the one on the couch" (I.E. jack and the cabbie).
I don't see any reason why Caine would kill Jack. It could even be that Caine anticipates needing Jack's help again in the future. So I'll wager on Caine letting Jack live.
It's called Autarky, the process of becoming an Autarkis.
the problem with the whole philosophy behind the anarchs in bloodlines, I believe, is that they're so fed up with the camarilly that all they care about is being free from them. They're whole purpose is freedom to do what you want, and that freedom is the very thing that creates chaos. If they were seeking a greater purpose other than not having to listen to one particular sect of vampires, then they would have a purpose and would truly prospor rather than their morals and everything degrade.
best game ever
i would have said.
bitch... are you for real. then BOOM!!!
Another spammer reported. I've noticed a few of you spambots coming out of the woodwork to target my videos lately, even though I don't have any porn-related material in my videos at all (so your spambots aren't zeroing in on my keywords).
Are you spammers coming at me as some sort of revenge? Then I say "bring it". You keep spamming me, I keep reporting you and getting you banned, you lose, I win...yeah. Bring it! >:-)
Tremere Clan rules!
I'd love to see a new VTM game, but white wolf said that VTM is dead, and replaced with Vampire The Requiem, wich I don't like much.
still, a game based on VTM would be nice, speccially if you can choose from ALL clans, not just the camarilla, I mean my favorite ones are the assamites, and the lasombra, but those 2 don't show up here U_U
You know it. :-)
Yeah, it is. Grovel, LaCroix! Kneel before me and grovel and beg! Grovel lower! LOWER! >:-)
hehehe - I never get tired of the one-finger salute ending...Probably 'cause you're sick of him calling you 'kid' lol. One thing about VTMB I hate, is the whole lack of facial expression on your character...I mean, Troika did all the NPCs faces & facial expressions excellently, unlike Oblivion for e.g. WHY CAN'T YOUR CHARACTER SHOW ANY EXPRESSION WHATSOEVER??????? lol.
Wohoo if cain is back then its the end of the world :D
Ok i done lonely wolf ending and whole game took me two nights. But who is that guy ? I know thats a guy from taxi. ^^ but who realy is he ? Cain ? ^^
Did this ending whit a grandel =)
really disappointing...was hoping to kick some ancient butt...never saw those explosives coming =/
can u answer me how the brujah survived from the verwolf?
This might seem a bit out of place, but about the Caine issue: That just might be him, and at the same time, not.
If we are to follow the WoD lore and VTM, it might just be an Antediluvian. They possess rank 10 in whatever disciplines they master, and there are 2 fancy skills they master thanks to that: Create Name from Obfuscate, and Puppet Master of Dominate, I'll describe the two skills in another post, as I've run out of space.
@mechXhybrid
All for it!
No, no..."lone wolf" as in "one who goes at it alone, without companions or support" as in "the No Allegiance ending". :-p
Yeah, Nines is a good, upstanding guy. Just don't call him "the Prince of the Anarchs". It gets him pretty riled up. :-)
how do u get this ending?U dont help anyone or how? :-s