Ways to improve this video: 1. Show a demonstration of running a fiber optic cable from a video source to a display device so clients can see what it typically might look like. 2. Explain the difference between Toslink and modern fiber in case a client used pro-audio equipment in the 80s and is confused. 3. Explain more of your personal setup and why you prefer it as a potential selling point.
You are wrong when you are saying that lossless compression compress a the stream such that our eyes can't tell any difference but there's still compression. With lossless compression there is no loss of information at all, it's like zipping a file, when you unzip it it's exactly the same.
In the video I say ‘lossless’ which as you point out is incorrect. However in the industry, manufactures use the term ‘visually lossless’ and go as far as explaining they say it’s visually because unlike ‘lossless’ compression, there is loss with visually lossless compression, but not to the extent our eyes can see it. A popular projector manufacturer in the industry uses the orange juice analogy to explain it. We also get into limitations with the current chipset in HDBT baluns. That’s another discussion, but all effects the 4K/8k situation. Now beyond what these experts say, and tell us, I won’t pretend to be an expert on compression. Regardless, the point is pretty much the same. If you want full 4K or now 8k you’re going to have to move beyond Cat6, 6a, 7 and use something like fiber or an HDMI that’s engineered for the higher bandwidths and feed it through conduit. To your point yes I should have said ‘visually lossless’ as my description of ‘lossless’ was technically incorrect.
@@SmartHomeBrothers the funny thing is that in the Ultra-HD BluRay example you are using, your orange juice is not coming from oranges directly. It has already had its water removed, and it is your BluRay player adding the water back. Ultra-HD BluRay comes already lossy compressed (using High Efficiency Video Coding - HEVC-, also known as H.265 and MPEG-H Part 2).
@@pennyloafers you're right, but I think he just honestly has no idea how it works. He's just repeating what he knows. But he has a job because someone still needs to wire the house and draw plans for it.
So I’m a bit confused. If you Google it, The bit rate of 4k UHD Blu ray movie discs (with HDR and Dolby Atmos) is anywhere between 70 to 130 Mbps (vs say 20 or 30 Mbps for the 4k streamed version on Netflix or Apple TV). Why then is he saying at 2:14 that it needs 18 Gbps? I mean sure the HDMI 2.0 cable capacity is 18 Gbps but a 4K UHD disc is not using anywhere near that bitrate. What am I missing?
Sorry, but you're dead wrong about lossless compression. Lossless is exactly that: what you get after compressing and decompressing with a lossless algorithm is EXACTLY the same, there is no loss of anything whatsoever. The input & output are identical. Anything that causes any loss of information is lossy compression.
I'm curious what your background/involvement is in this. In all the meetings, discussions, trainings we've been through, with the leading manufacturers in the industry for Video Distribution, which have been many, they explain it differently than you just have here.
TYM Smart Homes & Home Theaters “Lossless compression is a class of data compression algorithms that allows the original data to be perfectly reconstructed from the compressed data” so yeah i agree with the comment. Lossless is zero impact on the signal. What you are explaining in the video is more like mp3 or mpeg. It sounds or looks the same but it really is not. However what could be argued here is that if the manufacturer does a poor implementation of lossless that you do see an impact on sound or image quality.
@@SmartHomeBrothers I'm a programmer and have dealt with with compression/decompression algorithms almost daily for the last 25 years. If anyone tells you that they use lossless compression but the output differs in any way from the input they're trying to pull the wool over your eyes. I think it's more them trying to emphasize that the lossy algorithm they use produces an output that's visually indistinguishable from the original.It would be a little disastrous for financial institutions if there was any loss in a lossless algorithm.
@@SmartHomeBrothers Danie Brink is exactly right. There is a problem with all of the training you have received. 15 Years of experience in the network/computer/video industry is my background and lossless is lossless as in no degradation. Lossless compression has high computing requirements that makes it not work well in a lot of consumer grade hardware. Please see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression for further clarification.
Can a single or multi-mode fiber carrying a digital video stream be connected to an in-home router switch and then accessed by any device connected to the in-home network? And, which in-home fiber-capable router switches do you recommend?
Chroma subsampling does *NOT* "completely remove one of the primary colors". You are mixing two different concepts here: 1. Digital video tends to use the Y'UV color space, where each color is described using luminance (Y'), blue-yellow (U) and red-cyan (Y) components. This is in contrast to traditional digital displays (monitors) that use the RGB color space (i.e.: it also uses three components: Red, Green and Blue, but the "meaning" of each component and how to mix them to get the final color is diferent). This part in and on itself does *NOT* save any space/information. 2. When you speak about "4:2:2" and chroma subsampling, you are speaking about "Y'UV 4:2:2", where the point is that you use half the bits for the blue-yellow (U) and red-cyan (V) components than for the luminance (Y') component. They do this because our eyes are less sensitive to variations in UV than to variations in Y, so it is better to use more of the available bits for Y than for either U or V. Please note that the older TVs and formats used "Y'UV 4:2:0", which is a misnomer that really means "Y'UV 4:1:1", but with the output bits reordered (i.e.: it uses 4 times the bits for the Y' component than for the U and V individual components).
Simon the recommendation from Cleerline would be OM3 or OM4 Multimode Duplex Fiber. You would use Single Mode for the Demarcation only, but OM3/OM4 inside the home. If you go to Cleerlines website, there's a good article on selecting the right fiber
Help me understand this. If a Blu Ray movie requires 18Gbps per second of transmission speed that means an hour long movie would be 16TB. I don't know of any Blu Ray disks that are 16TB. I think they just started making hard drives that big. Or am I missing something?
Can you recommend a manufacturer of fiber video distribution system that is in the home/small office price-range? Most of the products and sites seem to be geared towards large scale distribution, and not for a few 4K screens in my case. And, is this technology related to HDBaseT, other than IP distribution? Lastly, do you think it is worth installing Cat7 for its insulation properties (future Power over IP), or use Cat6a and leapfrog to fiber? Thank you in advance.
Robert Rosado oh man lot of good questions. We use cleerline fiber, in part because it’s installer friendly. Multimode OM3 is what we recommend, budgets out to around $140 per drop or TV without termination. If you pull it yourself will be less. And we can provide the fiber if you need a source. On Cat7, our research indicates it’s not currently a certified/ratified standard. We confirmed this with Metra Home Theater that builds and sales wiring. Cat6a should take you as far as you need inside the home for anything Network related. If you’re between 30-50 meters, Cat6 will actually be sufficient. Then run Fiber for TVs, but I recommend still running some Cat6 to TVs to use in the short term. Or of course you can go the conduit route.
Thanks for the video. You have a great channel with matching content. I do wish you would have a simple chart showing the uses, pros, and cons of each wire type: HDMI, Fiber Optic, Cat6. What they can do, what they can't do, and the benefits of using it for specific uses. It seems most videos are insulated by cable type (a video on HDMI, or a video on just fiber)
So I have fiber running from the road and fiber company into my home. But I have a barn I want to get reliable internet service to. I plan on running 4k smart cameras out there to keep an eye on things. Right now fiber comes into home, connects to its fiber modem that translates the data to ethernet compatible data, then to my router for my main network. How do I retranslate the data to a fiber optic line so I can run a 550 ft line of fiber optic cable to my barn?
I'd probably run conduit between the Demarc and Barn, then whatever you need on fiber you'll be able to run it through. Then you'll need a network switch that supports fiber, or has SFP ports.
Things have changed. Most new installations are set up on fiber demarcs leading to a fiber connected homehub. RG6 is no longer used with Wi-Fi 6 in the home hub. The cable box now connects wirelessly through Wi0Fi 6 and means no wires are needed. 4K is still not a common source broadcast format, upscaling of 1080 is the norm now. 8K is stil la niche novelty item for the rich.
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When you say you need 18Gbps or more. Between what devices do we need that?
What are the products that would be ballasts for fiber? I'm running multimode 6 strand through out the house with lc terminations but I don't know what device I would use to turn that fiber into HDMI Etc...
Reedith Graham depends a lot on whether or not you are worried about the full 18gbps. Inneos is a balun solution that we’ve looked at and are excited about but haven’t used yet. you would have to use a HDMI matrix, and then come out of the matrix into the Inneos to then run over the fiber. There are Video over IP solutions, but to my knowledge the residential solutions are all 10gbs right now. Let me know if you have more questions
There are a lot of different types of fiber, different numbers of lines, single mode, multi-mode... I'm about to pre-wire my new house, what do I need to run? Multi-mode? How many fibers? Thanks, mk
I'm about to have a new house built, it sounds like running fiber will be a good plan. Is there any reason to run fiber from outside where the cable etc all come in over to the control room/closet? If so any particular specs to pay attention to on the fiber cable? Also any specs to pay attention to on the fiber running from the central location out to TV's etc? In my brief searches it seems like the price of fiber varies greatly, I want to make sure I select something that will work without paying too much for something I don't need. Thanks, mk
Where does the fiber originate from? I know the termination point is the TV. Also, Do you just leave the wire bare at the end? How do you cap it to protect each end?
We usually have one end in a low voltage can, with several feet of slack to make it easy to terminate, or if it needs to go to Media Rack the same. When you terminate the fiber you'll cut the end for a clean fresh cut, so we don't worry about covering the ends
I think Cat6a and beyond you're going to be in good shape for the immediate future. Fiber is a safe bet in terms of bandwidth, and of course you can always run Conduit. As for specifics, inside the industry, including companies who manufacturer and sell Category wire, none of them are pushing Cat7/8 aggressively at all. If you call them up and ask, they'll encourage you to go with Cat6 or Cat6a depending on the Application. I don't pretend to be an expert on all the nuances of this specific discussion, so I'd leave it there - that's my experience.
Cat6a is quite future proof. In theory, Cat6 can get up to 10Gb/s under the 10 metre range but Cat6a is actually certified for it and it doesn't cost a whole lot more Cat 8 is certified for 40Gb/s. Cat 7 just isn't worth buying. Personally I'd buy Cat6a because it's certified for 10Gb/s which will do you fine for the next 10 years and then it will *probably* do 40Gb/s anyway at such a short distance so you can just leave it in
It looks like the right fiber, OM3 & OM4 with the right distances, and install can do 100Gbps. I'm not sure if that's maxed out necessarily, but that's where specs from companies like Cleerline fiber seem to end. For the moment, I think the safe thing to say is that it can handle 8K content and 48Gbps, so it will be sufficient for the immediate future.
the orange juice is the worst analogy I've heard for compression... that's just a wrong summary of the mathematics of information compression. Just check out wikipedia, it's not the difficult to understand how to compress digital signal (be it visual or audio).
Thanks for posting this. I'm planning an upgrade from my Cinema One to Stratos S on Kaleidescape and have the current unit on a Leaf 4K 10x10 Matrix. However, I'm wondering would you recommend an upgrade to a 4K Matrix that does downmixing as well like the one from AVPro Edge (16x16) or the one from C4? I saw that the one from AVPro does have a 18 GBPS bandwidth but couldn't locate specs for C4. I'm just an end user and looking for best option to build upon since will expand system after these first 2 pieces. Thanks for sharing the information!
When you say video over fiber. Are there devices that have a fiber video ports? Thought there was only the hdmi ports for Video and obviously the optical port for sound.
Waiting on this answer as we ll. Seems like OM4 armored multimode fiber is cheap enough now in 20 meter lengths, but it would be cost prohibitive to terminate in the field.
There are fiber to HDMI converters that you can use for this. That way you get all of the great benefits that Matt is discussing but still can use with today's input technology.
I’m also wondering this. I want fiber but I don’t see any TVs or Blu-ray’s that have fiber connections so what good is this if we are still restricted to the hdmi speed
You say it equals out to about $140 per drop give or take.... that's obviously not including the fiber to hdmi converter or the expensive hdmi cable you'll have to purchase to support that type of bandwidth. . . .
Leslie Sweeney you’d be better off running conduit and/or fiber. the feedback we get when we inquire with cable manufacturers is that cat8 isn’t a ratified spec yet. So better to run cat6 or 6a for the things you need today, and something like fiber or conduit for anything you might want to upgrade tomorrow
UNtil my cable provider offers more than one premium 4K channel (After 5 years of having that one 4K channel) I am not worried about 4K. I figure it will be more than a decade before cable providers are in a position to offer 4K on all channels. My cable provider only offers 1Gb/s bandwidth and its triple the cost of regular 25Mb/s cable or about $CDN250 a month. Until they move to fiber ot the premises 4K will not happen and it won't be affordable for another decade after that. so we are basically looking at about 25 years before it is affordable and ubiquitous I would expect another 25 years for 8K after that. My cable provider just started offering cable over IP using the ignite system but they want $CDN200 a month for it. Inside sources say they plan to make it a standadr offering in about ten years or possibly 15. SO your going to be playing Blu-Ray to get your 4K content for the next 25 years.
Yes, i.e., Lossless Compression IS by definition LOSSLESS !!!! You just add a delay for compressing and un-compressing but that's all (video and audio are sync and all is as good as the raw file). It is a compromise between using media with larger bandwidth like fiber or using hardware for compression (the hardware part is a codec, which is an algorithme hardwired in the processor). The way I go is using servers to store files and edge computer (or the TV itself) to play them on the TV I want. An UHD HDR file with a overall bit rate of 67.5 Mb/s can be played on any current copper network without any issue.
So what I gathered from this video is: Regardless of the thousands of dollars people put into their home running HDMI, and Cat6a cables...THINKING that they have a top of the line system....They don't...because "they don't know any better"...However, spending hundreds, if not thousands more in Fiber for that "possible" video improvement for technology that we may not even notice to our naked eye. "Future-Proof" - Def. an easy up-sell term used by System Integrators and designers to us people that don't know any better.
Matt Stephens lol I think this takes the award for most jaded comment of the year on the channel. Our typical fiber wire upgrade is about a $1,000 for a home. Hardly call that thousands more. HDMI and cat6a are great. But definitely makes sense to consider fiber in your home today. Anyone who knows us, and works with us knows we don’t push upgrades for TYM’s sake, that’s not what we’re about, but thanks for that :)
@@SmartHomeBrothers I think it's just hilarious to hear people on UA-cam who do home tours, raving about their system and claiming that it's "top of the line".
I feel like you don’t really know about HDR and 10-Bit. Bit still trying to explain it. Maybe get some more research done before trying to be an expert
No need to be an expert in HDR and 10-Bit, the point of the video is to suggest there's a good reason to run Fiber in a home now. I understand 4K, HDR, and Color enough to know there's bandwidth restraints, and people would benefit from considering that in their home. For sure though, if I wanted to dive deep into HDR and 10-Bit, I'd study up. but I don't say anywere in this video, that I'm an expert on those items or trying to be. Keep trolling
Ways to improve this video: 1. Show a demonstration of running a fiber optic cable from a video source to a display device so clients can see what it typically might look like. 2. Explain the difference between Toslink and modern fiber in case a client used pro-audio equipment in the 80s and is confused. 3. Explain more of your personal setup and why you prefer it as a potential selling point.
You are wrong when you are saying that lossless compression compress a the stream such that our eyes can't tell any difference but there's still compression.
With lossless compression there is no loss of information at all, it's like zipping a file, when you unzip it it's exactly the same.
Nicola Serra indeed. The very definition of lossless is that the output is bit-perfect to the input.
In the video I say ‘lossless’ which as you point out is incorrect.
However in the industry, manufactures use the term ‘visually lossless’ and go as far as explaining they say it’s visually because unlike ‘lossless’ compression, there is loss with visually lossless compression, but not to the extent our eyes can see it.
A popular projector manufacturer in the industry uses the orange juice analogy to explain it.
We also get into limitations with the current chipset in HDBT baluns. That’s another discussion, but all effects the 4K/8k situation.
Now beyond what these experts say, and tell us, I won’t pretend to be an expert on compression.
Regardless, the point is pretty much the same. If you want full 4K or now 8k you’re going to have to move beyond Cat6, 6a, 7 and use something like fiber or an HDMI that’s engineered for the higher bandwidths and feed it through conduit.
To your point yes I should have said ‘visually lossless’ as my description of ‘lossless’ was technically incorrect.
@@SmartHomeBrothers the funny thing is that in the Ultra-HD BluRay example you are using, your orange juice is not coming from oranges directly. It has already had its water removed, and it is your BluRay player adding the water back.
Ultra-HD BluRay comes already lossy compressed (using High Efficiency Video Coding - HEVC-, also known as H.265 and MPEG-H Part 2).
@@SmartHomeBrothers I think that is a snake oil sales tactic. It's like saying the compression of MP3 is a sonically lossless compression.
@@pennyloafers you're right, but I think he just honestly has no idea how it works. He's just repeating what he knows. But he has a job because someone still needs to wire the house and draw plans for it.
So I’m a bit confused. If you Google it, The bit rate of 4k UHD Blu ray movie discs (with HDR and Dolby Atmos) is anywhere between 70 to 130 Mbps (vs say 20 or 30 Mbps for the 4k streamed version on Netflix or Apple TV). Why then is he saying at 2:14 that it needs 18 Gbps? I mean sure the HDMI 2.0 cable capacity is 18 Gbps but a 4K UHD disc is not using anywhere near that bitrate. What am I missing?
Sorry, but you're dead wrong about lossless compression. Lossless is exactly that: what you get after compressing and decompressing with a lossless algorithm is EXACTLY the same, there is no loss of anything whatsoever. The input & output are identical. Anything that causes any loss of information is lossy compression.
I'm curious what your background/involvement is in this. In all the meetings, discussions, trainings we've been through, with the leading manufacturers in the industry for Video Distribution, which have been many, they explain it differently than you just have here.
TYM Smart Homes & Home Theaters “Lossless compression is a class of data compression algorithms that allows the original data to be perfectly reconstructed from the compressed data” so yeah i agree with the comment. Lossless is zero impact on the signal. What you are explaining in the video is more like mp3 or mpeg. It sounds or looks the same but it really is not. However what could be argued here is that if the manufacturer does a poor implementation of lossless that you do see an impact on sound or image quality.
@@SmartHomeBrothers I'm a programmer and have dealt with with compression/decompression algorithms almost daily for the last 25 years. If anyone tells you that they use lossless compression but the output differs in any way from the input they're trying to pull the wool over your eyes. I think it's more them trying to emphasize that the lossy algorithm they use produces an output that's visually indistinguishable from the original.It would be a little disastrous for financial institutions if there was any loss in a lossless algorithm.
@@SmartHomeBrothers Danie Brink is exactly right. There is a problem with all of the training you have received. 15 Years of experience in the network/computer/video industry is my background and lossless is lossless as in no degradation. Lossless compression has high computing requirements that makes it not work well in a lot of consumer grade hardware. Please see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression for further clarification.
Can a single or multi-mode fiber carrying a digital video stream be connected to an in-home router switch and then accessed by any device connected to the in-home network? And, which in-home fiber-capable router switches do you recommend?
Chroma subsampling does *NOT* "completely remove one of the primary colors". You are mixing two different concepts here:
1. Digital video tends to use the Y'UV color space, where each color is described using luminance (Y'), blue-yellow (U) and red-cyan (Y) components. This is in contrast to traditional digital displays (monitors) that use the RGB color space (i.e.: it also uses three components: Red, Green and Blue, but the "meaning" of each component and how to mix them to get the final color is diferent). This part in and on itself does *NOT* save any space/information.
2. When you speak about "4:2:2" and chroma subsampling, you are speaking about "Y'UV 4:2:2", where the point is that you use half the bits for the blue-yellow (U) and red-cyan (V) components than for the luminance (Y') component. They do this because our eyes are less sensitive to variations in UV than to variations in Y, so it is better to use more of the available bits for Y than for either U or V. Please note that the older TVs and formats used "Y'UV 4:2:0", which is a misnomer that really means "Y'UV 4:1:1", but with the output bits reordered (i.e.: it uses 4 times the bits for the Y' component than for the U and V individual components).
Hey guys if future proofing for 8k 48gbps would it be better to run single mode fiber?
What termination do you guys recommend (LC, SC)?
Simon the recommendation from Cleerline would be OM3 or OM4 Multimode Duplex Fiber. You would use Single Mode for the Demarcation only, but OM3/OM4 inside the home. If you go to Cleerlines website, there's a good article on selecting the right fiber
multimode transmits multiple light signals at the same time while single mode uses laser light and goes a longer distance faster
SC is very outdated.
i got a 20 m long 8k 60 fps fiber cable for 100 bucks and it works fantastic and i don t have to worry when 8k becomes a standard.
I love the way you explain this. Very interesting.
Help me understand this. If a Blu Ray movie requires 18Gbps per second of transmission speed that means an hour long movie would be 16TB. I don't know of any Blu Ray disks that are 16TB. I think they just started making hard drives that big. Or am I missing something?
Can you recommend a manufacturer of fiber video distribution system that is in the home/small office price-range? Most of the products and sites seem to be geared towards large scale distribution, and not for a few 4K screens in my case.
And, is this technology related to HDBaseT, other than IP distribution?
Lastly, do you think it is worth installing Cat7 for its insulation properties (future Power over IP), or use Cat6a and leapfrog to fiber?
Thank you in advance.
Robert Rosado oh man lot of good questions.
We use cleerline fiber, in part because it’s installer friendly. Multimode OM3 is what we recommend, budgets out to around $140 per drop or TV without termination. If you pull it yourself will be less. And we can provide the fiber if you need a source.
On Cat7, our research indicates it’s not currently a certified/ratified standard. We confirmed this with Metra Home Theater that builds and sales wiring. Cat6a should take you as far as you need inside the home for anything Network related. If you’re between 30-50 meters, Cat6 will actually be sufficient.
Then run Fiber for TVs, but I recommend still running some Cat6 to TVs to use in the short term. Or of course you can go the conduit route.
Robert Rosado ha just reread your question you wanted gear not fiber. Get back to you in a moment with better answer
Thanks for the video. You have a great channel with matching content. I do wish you would have a simple chart showing the uses, pros, and cons of each wire type: HDMI, Fiber Optic, Cat6. What they can do, what they can't do, and the benefits of using it for specific uses. It seems most videos are insulated by cable type (a video on HDMI, or a video on just fiber)
Appreciate the feedback, we'll see what we can come up with
So I have fiber running from the road and fiber company into my home. But I have a barn I want to get reliable internet service to. I plan on running 4k smart cameras out there to keep an eye on things.
Right now fiber comes into home, connects to its fiber modem that translates the data to ethernet compatible data, then to my router for my main network. How do I retranslate the data to a fiber optic line so I can run a 550 ft line of fiber optic cable to my barn?
I'd probably run conduit between the Demarc and Barn, then whatever you need on fiber you'll be able to run it through. Then you'll need a network switch that supports fiber, or has SFP ports.
Things have changed. Most new installations are set up on fiber demarcs leading to a fiber connected homehub. RG6 is no longer used with Wi-Fi 6 in the home hub. The cable box now connects wirelessly through Wi0Fi 6 and means no wires are needed. 4K is still not a common source broadcast format, upscaling of 1080 is the norm now. 8K is stil la niche novelty item for the rich.
When you say you need 18Gbps or more. Between what devices do we need that?
Love these videos!
When you terminate the fiber for a TV do you need to keep that tv or can you get a 8k tv a few years down the line and use the same fiber?
Wound’t CAT7 be a better option?
128 Mbps is the max of BR UHD rate. Where did you get 18Gbps ?
@@talalmash Oh come on!...but, yeah, I still don't get all that 18gbps fuss in the Home Theater world. Do movies really have that much of a bitrate?
You got any fiber installs and examples of quality?
Use CAT7a, no issues runnig up to 100Gbps up to 15 meters or 40Gbps up to 50 meters...
And then there's CAT8
What are the products that would be ballasts for fiber? I'm running multimode 6 strand through out the house with lc terminations but I don't know what device I would use to turn that fiber into HDMI Etc...
Reedith Graham depends a lot on whether or not you are worried about the full 18gbps. Inneos is a balun solution that we’ve looked at and are excited about but haven’t used yet. you would have to use a HDMI matrix, and then come out of the matrix into the Inneos to then run over the fiber. There are Video over IP solutions, but to my knowledge the residential solutions are all 10gbs right now. Let me know if you have more questions
There are a lot of different types of fiber, different numbers of lines, single mode, multi-mode... I'm about to pre-wire my new house, what do I need to run? Multi-mode? How many fibers?
Thanks,
mk
I'm about to have a new house built, it sounds like running fiber will be a good plan. Is there any reason to run fiber from outside where the cable etc all come in over to the control room/closet? If so any particular specs to pay attention to on the fiber cable? Also any specs to pay attention to on the fiber running from the central location out to TV's etc? In my brief searches it seems like the price of fiber varies greatly, I want to make sure I select something that will work without paying too much for something I don't need.
Thanks,
mk
Yeah dude, can't wait to pop in a Blu Ray upstairs so I can go watch it on a TV downstairs.
Who said you have to change floors to load a blu ray :) that’s not how it works at all. But thanks for that! 👌🏻
Is there a Fiber Matrix?
Where does the fiber originate from? I know the termination point is the TV. Also, Do you just leave the wire bare at the end? How do you cap it to protect each end?
We usually have one end in a low voltage can, with several feet of slack to make it easy to terminate, or if it needs to go to Media Rack the same. When you terminate the fiber you'll cut the end for a clean fresh cut, so we don't worry about covering the ends
What do you think of Cat8 vs fiber? I think it’s come into place since you made this video and can also do 100 mbs.
I think Cat6a and beyond you're going to be in good shape for the immediate future. Fiber is a safe bet in terms of bandwidth, and of course you can always run Conduit. As for specifics, inside the industry, including companies who manufacturer and sell Category wire, none of them are pushing Cat7/8 aggressively at all. If you call them up and ask, they'll encourage you to go with Cat6 or Cat6a depending on the Application. I don't pretend to be an expert on all the nuances of this specific discussion, so I'd leave it there - that's my experience.
Cat6a is quite future proof. In theory, Cat6 can get up to 10Gb/s under the 10 metre range but Cat6a is actually certified for it and it doesn't cost a whole lot more
Cat 8 is certified for 40Gb/s. Cat 7 just isn't worth buying.
Personally I'd buy Cat6a because it's certified for 10Gb/s which will do you fine for the next 10 years and then it will *probably* do 40Gb/s anyway at such a short distance so you can just leave it in
10-bit color is 10 bits per pixel or R 0 - 1023; G 0 - 1023; and B 0 - 1023 vs 8-bit color which is 0-255 RGB. Simple as that in most cases.
Awesome video as usual!
I'm curious... if fiber can handle 18 Gbps / 22.5 Gbps / 48 Gbps... where does it max out?
It looks like the right fiber, OM3 & OM4 with the right distances, and install can do 100Gbps. I'm not sure if that's maxed out necessarily, but that's where specs from companies like Cleerline fiber seem to end. For the moment, I think the safe thing to say is that it can handle 8K content and 48Gbps, so it will be sufficient for the immediate future.
the orange juice is the worst analogy I've heard for compression... that's just a wrong summary of the mathematics of information compression. Just check out wikipedia, it's not the difficult to understand how to compress digital signal (be it visual or audio).
Thanks for posting this. I'm planning an upgrade from my Cinema One to Stratos S on Kaleidescape and have the current unit on a Leaf 4K 10x10 Matrix. However, I'm wondering would you recommend an upgrade to a 4K Matrix that does downmixing as well like the one from AVPro Edge (16x16) or the one from C4? I saw that the one from AVPro does have a 18 GBPS bandwidth but couldn't locate specs for C4. I'm just an end user and looking for best option to build upon since will expand system after these first 2 pieces. Thanks for sharing the information!
When you say video over fiber. Are there devices that have a fiber video ports? Thought there was only the hdmi ports for Video and obviously the optical port for sound.
Waiting on this answer as we ll. Seems like OM4 armored multimode fiber is cheap enough now in 20 meter lengths, but it would be cost prohibitive to terminate in the field.
There are fiber to HDMI converters that you can use for this. That way you get all of the great benefits that Matt is discussing but still can use with today's input technology.
I’m also wondering this. I want fiber but I don’t see any TVs or Blu-ray’s that have fiber connections so what good is this if we are still restricted to the hdmi speed
Just wish that kaleidescape had more content...
Near days we're going to have fiber as ethernet and video cables.
You say it equals out to about $140 per drop give or take.... that's obviously not including the fiber to hdmi converter or the expensive hdmi cable you'll have to purchase to support that type of bandwidth. . . .
Is cat 8 not an option
Leslie Sweeney you’d be better off running conduit and/or fiber. the feedback we get when we inquire with cable manufacturers is that cat8 isn’t a ratified spec yet. So better to run cat6 or 6a for the things you need today, and something like fiber or conduit for anything you might want to upgrade tomorrow
Great video Matt!
Digital Home thx Henry!
UNtil my cable provider offers more than one premium 4K channel (After 5 years of having that one 4K channel) I am not worried about 4K. I figure it will be more than a decade before cable providers are in a position to offer 4K on all channels. My cable provider only offers 1Gb/s bandwidth and its triple the cost of regular 25Mb/s cable or about $CDN250 a month. Until they move to fiber ot the premises 4K will not happen and it won't be affordable for another decade after that. so we are basically looking at about 25 years before it is affordable and ubiquitous I would expect another 25 years for 8K after that. My cable provider just started offering cable over IP using the ignite system but they want $CDN200 a month for it. Inside sources say they plan to make it a standadr offering in about ten years or possibly 15. SO your going to be playing Blu-Ray to get your 4K content for the next 25 years.
Sooooo after 45 seconds of film you would exhaust the capacity of a 100GB BR
Well, films are not produced in 60fps, let alone 120fps
skip to 1:00
Wow, he speaks so fast, I had to scale back the speed to 1.25x speed... I usually use 1.5x
10 min video with incorrect analogies could've been explain in under a minute
Yes, i.e., Lossless Compression IS by definition LOSSLESS !!!! You just add a delay for compressing and un-compressing but that's all (video and audio are sync and all is as good as the raw file). It is a compromise between using media with larger bandwidth like fiber or using hardware for compression (the hardware part is a codec, which is an algorithme hardwired in the processor). The way I go is using servers to store files and edge computer (or the TV itself) to play them on the TV I want. An UHD HDR file with a overall bit rate of 67.5 Mb/s can be played on any current copper network without any issue.
not only that he talks fast with repeat information and seems to mumble in some explanation... should be just half of minute video.
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So what I gathered from this video is:
Regardless of the thousands of dollars people put into their home running HDMI, and Cat6a cables...THINKING that they have a top of the line system....They don't...because "they don't know any better"...However, spending hundreds, if not thousands more in Fiber for that "possible" video improvement for technology that we may not even notice to our naked eye.
"Future-Proof" - Def. an easy up-sell term used by System Integrators and designers to us people that don't know any better.
Matt Stephens lol I think this takes the award for most jaded comment of the year on the channel.
Our typical fiber wire upgrade is about a $1,000 for a home. Hardly call that thousands more.
HDMI and cat6a are great. But definitely makes sense to consider fiber in your home today. Anyone who knows us, and works with us knows we don’t push upgrades for TYM’s sake, that’s not what we’re about, but thanks for that :)
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I think it's just hilarious to hear people on UA-cam who do home tours, raving about their system and claiming that it's "top of the line".
Stop editing every 2 seconds!
No.
I feel like you don’t really know about HDR and 10-Bit. Bit still trying to explain it. Maybe get some more research done before trying to be an expert
No need to be an expert in HDR and 10-Bit, the point of the video is to suggest there's a good reason to run Fiber in a home now. I understand 4K, HDR, and Color enough to know there's bandwidth restraints, and people would benefit from considering that in their home. For sure though, if I wanted to dive deep into HDR and 10-Bit, I'd study up. but I don't say anywere in this video, that I'm an expert on those items or trying to be. Keep trolling
This is only relevant for people that have fiber to the home.
fu audio and this is like school pen and paper and yap