The newest scam for record buyers?
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Joe discusses a questionable business practice that seems to be impacting a lot of his favorite used record stores since the pandemic. What are the details of this potential scam for the vinyl record-buying community? Have you seen it? What are your thoughts?
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I agree with you 100% This trend is also spreading to all sorts of other places/industries. I refuse to tip someone for just processing my payment! Heck, these days the customer does half of the work! I really wish our laws would change so tipping was not needed.
You got that right.. More and more, _we're_ the ones doing most of the actual work, not the employees and the company.
In fact, I just dealt with this recently with my car insurance.. I was the one taking pictures to submit to a claim, not the adjuster who's traditionally done that role. I thought it was the most ridiculous thing ever and the pandemic is over, so there's absolutely no excuse. Just 1 of more & more examples I'm sure to run across in the future.
@@R3TR0R4V3 Dollar General is now supposed to be 80% self-checkout, so my local grocery store is getting more business from me now.
We visited the US last year and at a Walgreens in Chicago the keypad for card payment when we were checking out with the cashier behind the desk came up with a tip option; it wasn't pre-filled or anything like that but I found it to be utterly ridiculous, particularly as we only purchased a bottle of water.
The other day my aunt brought food from a fast food restaurant. The price for the plate was $8.99. The owner entered $9.17 or something like that in the register and then charged tax on the $9.17 and not the $8.99. My aunt asked the owner why she entered $9.17 in the register when the cost of the plate was $8.99. The owner said she had to do it like that because the register was broken and the tax needed to be entered manually. Then my aunt told the owner that she was getting double taxed because her receipt showed the total as more than $9.17, meaning the total was $9.17 + tax and not $8.99 + tax. My aunt told the owner that she was basically charging custumers double tax and that she was desiving customers. The owner had to correct her action and charge my aunt the correct amount of $8.99 + tax.
Be careful and always check your receipt. Some businesses pull all kinds of shenanigans to extract more money from customers even if what they end up doing end up being illegal.
It definitely seems strange to tip 20% for a clerk who didn't even speak to you. Tipping for good service is one thing, but I don't understand this either. Good video.
If you're also making as much as that store clerk. This tipping thing, just seems like another tax on the working class. In addition to having to pay for the welfare of the non-working, you have to subsidize the wages of everyone around you. Why don't they just price everything to take into account the price of paying people properly, instead of palming off their responsibility for paying a living wage, onto the goodwill and charity of the general public. If all people were paid properly, the argument that they would lose competitive advantage and go out of business, is nullified because all businesses would face the same costs. Forty years ago a clerk could hold down that same kind of job, buy a house and have a family with that one income household. The economy didn't crash, it was doing better than it does today. So all the economic arguments against raising wages for the working class, are a lie to sustain a short term profit mentality that is making the USA poorer, dirtier, more mean and a less pleasant place to live overall, even for the wealthy. Politics need to be tied to morality again. Greed isn't good, it's a noose around the neck of economic life, which provides a short term high, but ultimately destroys.
Ooo yes, perfect remark and breakdown.
This is the case and wish more people should see this and let it sink in, specially if they have powwer /chuckle they can change things.
@@Crmsnraider Few people can see the big picture, they can only see their 'angle'. This is how the working and business classes are put up against each other's throats, both with false moral arguments to justify their position. Hidden from them is the truth of what is being done to the whole country, for an enemy they don't even realize exists whilst the economically viable are poo pooing the poor working class for not, 'pulling themselves up by their bootstraps' and the poor working class, the engine of productivity, the people that actually do the stuff, build the dreams of the business class, are so demoralised by lack of any sort of upward mobility and less than survival wages, that they begin to resemble the cliches which have been heaped upon them by the subversive elite that have been playing this game for their benefit alone.
That’s crazy. Not happening in the UK. In fact I normally get 20% off at my local record stall as I’m probably his best customer 😂
They usually knock a couple of quid off for me too and I'm definitely not the best customer.
@@bmmaaate Good-natured haggling is definitely more like the British way lol.
@@Unfunny_Username_389 There is a tiny invisible imperfection on this item, I couldn't even offer you half price for it!
Wow. THat's crazy. I went into a "record store" today and instantly caught the smell of musty. Started going through the used racks and the pricing was beyond insane ($28 for a copy of Hurdy Gurdy Man). I'm not tipping on top of the pricing insanity.
This sounds crazy to me! (A London perspective)
I've always thought that the ' tipping thing' in the US is quite outrageous, Particularly because its' not performance based and is based simply on a given that the customer foots the remainder of the bill that the employer doesn't have to pay..that's plain exploitative in my book, meaning employers can treat their workers unfairly..no wonder here in the UK and Europe we don't adopt this!.
In the UK by law all workers have to receive a minimum wage..that wage isn't great, so if I'm served by a waiter/ waitress that goes above and beyond and is pleasant, I have no problem with tipping them..but it is not just accepted as a given, that's the difference .
If I were a customer and treated badly or ignored by a worker at a shop or restaurant, no way would I feel inclined to tip.
I fully appreciate why you feel resentful.
In regards to tipping, it serves as an incentive for the waitress to do an exemplary job. Instead of a 10% tip, they end up with a 20-25% tip. They are rewarded for the quality of their work. Depending on the industry & geographically area, a waitress can earn several $1,000 per week. Someone making a low paying flat wage usually does not have any motivation otherwise.
Interesting topic. Seems they are learning from other "user experience" businesses. The only way i would tip is if the employee actually helped me through hundreds of boxes to find a record. In my country some guys jack up the prices almost 40% thus "no need to tip". The vinyl boom gave them some pandemic fever man, i appreciate you sharing this video.
In Holland the goverment takes the 20% for you.
/chuckle, I bet its nice there, always looks nice on photos, no crazy stories an all. Government probably spending putting the money back into the County eh.
And in return you don't have to live in a tent and your kids have free healthcare and can become doctors if they want to.
Agreed. Leaving a generous tip for a server in a restaurant? Leaving a few bucks for the woman that cleans your hotel room? Fine. But tipping a retail clerk? Absolutely not. Even worse (under orders from their employer, I'm sure) are clerks who try to sell you a 'protection plan' for a disposable battery-powered toothbrush. Good topic. Thanks. 5:05
It seems that retail vinyl sales has reached a tipping point.
😉 Tom
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lol Good one!
You're right. The customer is expected to contribute half of the employee's wages.
I don't tip in situations like that, period. It is just a way to get more money from people. I would stop going to a record store that did this.
BTW when I was in Italy a couple of years ago everyone had their hand out for a tip.
As an Australian who has an American girlfriend... tipping is the stupidest, most revolting thing I have ever had to face in America. One of the many reasons I hate going back to the States. Thank God she has seen the light and moved permanently to Oz. Although its starting to appear here as well. They call it a "gratuity". Trying to make paying someone to do their job sound better. Infuriating!!!
Same in UK
I am sick of this because almost every place I go to. I get basically the same kind of treatment whether it’s a coffee shop or a bookstore right now! And yes, they are expecting you to pay a tip to pay for their employees because they’re too cheap to pay them a living wage! but I don’t! If I don’t receive some kind of personalize service in someway, I will not leave any tip, and I will choose zero! They would stop this ridiculous practice if everybody started tipping zero! Let’s go!
This is absolute insanity. It also brings up a pet peeve of mine. If I'm in a specialty shop for like retro video games or used records, I like to have a clerk that at least has an interest in these subjects. I just love it when I'm in a store for retro video games and I start talking about what i'm passionate about and the guy looks at me like I have two heads. Haha Not a big deal, just something I see happening. And no he's not getting a tip. lol
It’s sounds ridiculous live in Scotland yes would tip for good service in a restaurant however never in a record store! 🏴👍
This will only make purchasing records from Amazon a much more attractive proposition. Hopefully this trend doesn’t cross the pond! I won’t eat at restaurant where there is a mandatory ’service charge’ imposed by the restaurant owners, but will happily tip servers with cash for friendly service.
Ivee been trying to use other spots apart from big business' like Amazon, like Spatula City records in AZ where you can get good deals and new drops like in a regular OG store but online. Got from 3 bucks a record to new msrp things, they for example are nice a small businesss and do things right.
As far as I know, here in the states, tips at a restaurant are only mandatory if you have like a party of 5 or more people, otherwise it's not required. (the servers might hate you for not paying a tip, but you are forced to do it.). The standard tip is 15% but I pay a tip based on the service they render, so it might only be 10%. At buffets I never tip, which even there are people that tip at self-service.
my records were replaced by C.D.s in the 1980s
Tipping has replaced full salary and pay obligations from the employer to its employees. Basically you as a customer are supposed to subsidize the employee pay while the employers are getting their workforce for dirt cheap. You can see how this is wrong on so many levels.
i think the whole record revival thing is a huge scam. i live in atlanta and there are three record stores here that have been around since the early to mid seventies. all they sell are records and cds, nothing else. never seemed to be a lack of vinyl products to sell. no food or drinks, yet. then record day happened and everything went to hell. everything that was ever recorded seemed to be available on heavy vinyl, lots of colors to choose from, gatefold covers that did not exist on the original albums and on and on. many of these new records were pressed from digital masters in gray market countries and sounded like crap. last but not least the insane pricing on these things. this drove up the prices on older records as well. however, the prices on used cds dropped. i keep reading that this nonsense is leveling out but i see no evidence of it. good video, sir.
Thank you. I definitely prefer older pressings when I can find them in good position, as I prefer analogue sources rather than digital files. Everything's so gimmicky now. Give me one solid, audiophile-quality reissue, not the same album in ten different versions of colored vinyl.
Tip-flation is creeping into more areas of retail, not just restaurants. Thankfully the local record stores here in Austin, TX aren’t asking customers for tips.
Are there any good ones besides waterloo?
@@anthonyjagers7770 i visited Austin recently from ft worth, and I found a record store I absolutely loved. It was called End of an Ear anytime I go back down there I’m hitting them up
@@anthonyjagers7770 End of an Ear, Breakaway, and Love Wheel.
Haven’t seen it in record stores in my area. It raises the question, will we continue to get good service or be labeled a tightwad and disliked if we don’t tip. I’m afraid if I don’t tip a valet (all they do is park my car and bring it back to me) they are going to scratch my car or worse leave a wretched fart on my seat that lingers long after I leave the event. Fear based tipping is real.
I've had this fear too. But then I realize that I'm not getting great service whether or not I tip in most cases. Again, not talking about restaurants, just record stores.
Zupełnie nie wyobrażalna sytuacja dla mnie oczekiwania w sklepie płytowym napiwku, u nas już się odchodzi od napiwków nawet w restauracjach pośrednio dzięki płatnościom kartą płacę ile się należy i do widzenia.
Yeah, tipping clerks at non-food establishments is crazy. I even feel suckered by order-at-the-counter places where someone comes by and drops off your food at your table and they want 20% BEFORE you've even eaten your burger.
As a former record store employee, I find it absurd, if not presumptuous, for the retailer to presume that the client will consent to a tip. I mean, I don't tip when I go grocery shopping or when I have to go to the vet, so why should I tip when I buy a record?
Perhaps the owner should think about paying the employees a living salary, especially if they can afford two sites.
Exactly. I have no problem with having an option to tip. I have a big problem when a 20% tip is just added on to the total, and I have to manually cancel it out. It’s very easy to not notice, which is, I’m sure, the point.
Thanks so much for exposing this con! I am a HUGE record buyer but I would NEVER, EVER go into any store where they expect someone to pay a 20% (or more) tip on records! In fact I NEVER, EVER eat at restaurants which expect you to tip anymore - fast food almost always tastes better to me anyway. Restaurant owners should be forced to pay at least minimum wage to their staff! Leave that tipping crap for the "foodies" and the rich! I now avoid ANY business whose employees expect tips. I never got tips on any jobs I worked and I worked harder than anyone in the tipping industries - guaranteed!
Being from the U.K we seem to only tip at a restaurant based on the level of friendly service you get from the waiter/waitress, if I went into my local record shop or physical media outlet and passed any money across after the transaction they would refuse and obviously think I was crazy 😱🤣 I've never been to the U.S (I would love to) but I imagine I would spend all my spending money for the holiday tipping someone who probably did nothing 🥴 great video though 👍👍👍
Nah. Fuck tipping. I live in the U.K. and that’s an alien concept. Shop elsewhere. It’s bad enough paying what they ask for used and new albums.
And moreso bad enough what restaurants charge. I'm in the US and it amazes me how many people think in this comment section that you should pay tips at a restaurant but not retail. There are no mandatory tips, so if someone wants to give a tip, who gives a crap. Want a tip? Don't play with matches.
The way things have been evolving, I'm surprised we weren't asked for a tip after watching your video. 😊
Ha!
Yes this is annoying and becoming a default on these transaction terminals (which I assume the establishment can configure). You have to press Other and it goes to any entry screen with $0.00 and you hit enter to pay no tip. That should be the default (if anything at all). P.S. you have as many record stores in your area as we do in all of Dallas and Fort Worth which is huge!
I have Square and that's an option to accept tips. You aren't paying tips to the clerk exactly you are paying a tip to the business that offers great customer service and shopping experience. If you don't get that, then don't pay a tip, it's that easy. I agree though, it should be default set to zero. Isn't it easy enough to push the NO button? Then again, I'm tired of pushing so many buttons just to pay.
Sometimes it won't let you hit '0' or 'no tip' .. It forces you to tip, literally. I just dealt with this at a concert a couple days ago. If I'm going to tip, I give cash, but this is the first I've been forced to with a card.
@@R3TR0R4V3 Now that's crazy.
I tip at restaurants and sometimes coffee shops. That is it.
The slave owners need to pay a fair wage...
I would just think that the same POS (register?) is used for both vinyl and drink sales, and you shouldn't interpret the tip suggestion as just that. Just choose the "No Tip" option. Im sure the clerk won't mind
That’s what I’m do, but I have to remember. It’s too easy to just hit “accept” without realizing they’ve added on the tip.
It's the machines they are using. I have Square and there is an option for the customer to tip me, but I don't have it activated. I see nothing wrong with that, but to automatically have it set to 20% is ridiculous because someone might push "yes" without reading what they're actually agreeing to. (machines ask too many questions as it is.) You can thank Goodwill for this tactic of asking for more money. You are right, we Americans are brainwashed to think that we have to tip waiters when the food is already sky high when eating out. Must be a good business to be in when you only have to pay your employees $2 an hour. Maybe I should start accepting tips and when I start getting enough of them I can actually hire an employee.
I was talking to two former pizza delivery drivers. They were discussing a customer who ordered religiously once a week , but only tipped 1 dollar. I have never felt the same about tipping since. They disparaged this guy, who gave them regular, steady business. I do tip better now, but if I gave them my whole wallet , it wouldn't be enough. If you don't want to tip in this scenario, don't. It will never be enough anyways
Lol
Customer service is pretty much nonexistent nowadays but everyone expects a tip. I recently tried out one of those robot coffee places, and the robot actually asked me for a tip.
Give it a battery lol
Nope, I'm not tipping at a record store. I'd never set this up at my store, ever.
My Tip is always " Get another Job the pays you more money "
Hello Joe from record (LP) guy on the West Coast of Canada. I agree with your comments 100%. Canada instituted a new federal minimum wage this year - April 2023 (federal workers) of $16.65 per hour on April 1, 2023. Previously, workers were subject to the minimum wage of whatever province or territory they worked in. This new federal minimum wage is set by the government and is adjusted based on inflation.. The minimum wage varies somewhat Province to Province, but the min there is $14.25. Yes our Fed. and Provincial taxes are higher on average but we also have universal health care. On tipping - we have seen the same post Covid 'slight of hand' practices and it is getting peoples backs up. I am using more cash - which foils this practice but I can see the day coming where some retailers and service orientated businesses will state 'no cash on premise' etc. etc.
That's great! People have been pushing for a $15 US minimum wage for years, but it still hasn't happened. And now, with inflation, it should probably be something like $22 an hour. But we're still expecting people to live on $7.25.
(Not sure why I'm responding to this comment with minimum wages and taxes have zero to do with this video.) And then the price of everything goes up. If someone isn't making enough money, then they can find a job that does or learn a new skill or something so that they can get a better paying job or even start their own business. Government never is the solution.
Definitely strange. When I was working at Walmart, we could be fired for accepting tips.
I don't tip if I place an order at the counter only if a waitstaff comes to my table and takes my order. I never put any tip money in those jars next to the cash register.
That tipping screen is popping up everywhere. NOPE.
Thats very odd to have that application for retail sales like that. I could almost guess that the company who provides the software asked if the store would like the option installed. Ill bet most if not all the clerks dont expect a tip. Very strange indeed.
If the business now offers food/service, it's very likely setup to ask for a tip by default in POS. As consumers we know we don't tip on retail items, problem solved ;)
Funny thing I encountered last weekend I was at an Air Supply concert and I purchased a t-shirt the lady just handed me size and ringing it the tip menu came up for the first time ever. No I have been to so many concerts this year and never did that prompt ever come up. I think it's just filtering to all business types no matter what.
I just dealt with this for the first time at concert too, only a couple days ago in Pittsburgh. If you pay by card, it forced you to tip.. Literally! I was just going to hand her a buck or two, but I could not exit out of that prompt.. Believe me I tried. Ridiculous!
Haven't seen this yet but in the scenario you described it's ludicrous. Buying online has its drawbacks (Discogs) insofar as improper grading, it's always nice to slide a record out and check the condition yourself. As you said, if I had a coffee or some food I'd tip on that but not for buying some LP's.
Exactly. I agree that accurate grading on Discogs, eBay, etc. continues to be unreliable. Thanks for stopping by!
Really? Tipping in record stores?? When I was young I spent much of my free time in record stores. Based on my experience in at least some of these places over many years though (the 'no eye contact' bit sounds familiar), if I had any kind of 'tip' for record store employees it would be this: try NOT dismissing the person who's handing you their hard-earned cash like something you just scraped off the bottom of your shoe...
It’s wrong on so many levels for the employer to expect us to pay the wages to the clerks/waitress’. I refuse. Pay them a decent salary you greedy capitalist.
lol. Capitalist is such a dirty word. Whatever.
Why should anyone tip for anything
I'm in the UK and thankfully we don't have that tipping culture. If there is no service charge in a bill in a restaurant then we tip, if there is you can legally ask them to remove it and then tip, or just leave it on and pay that. Typically a service charge or tip is 10% here. As to asking for a tip in a record store, I would ask them to tell me without looking what the opening track is, if they don't know - no tip. I think the tipping thing in the US is out of control, I mean; tipping in a fast food joint with just counter service is just nuts.
Idk, I think most of these stores aren’t trying to pressure you to give a tip on records. I would assume in your case the store just uses the same payment system for the record clerk side as the restaurant side. Hence why you never mentioned a physical tip jar at the clerk desk because it likely wasn’t intended for you to tip there and more than likely is just out of laziness
So is there no minimum wage in the U.S? As you mentioned $2 for the clerk I mean in the UK even a 16 year old is guaranteed the equivalent of $6.74 going to 22 and over would be a minimum of $13.31
US minimum is essentially like a 16 yr old then Federally its 7.25 and peoplle are working to changge it, although thats been difficult, though no body can live off that really. Its up to the individual states if they have it higher or dont have one at all, which most do; 2 Georgia and Wyoming are actually lower, youve the ability to get only 5.15 minimum hourly if your employer isnt covered by FLSA...te Fair Labor Standards Act
$2 is minimum for wait staff, as they also get tipped. Minimum wage is at least trippled that for all other employees in US. This wasn't clear in the video, but understood by those that worked/lived in the states ;)
I apologize that I wasn't clearer. Yes, there's a federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour (although many states have higher minimum wages). However, many states provide an exception for tipped employees, primarily restaurant workers: they can pay their employees as little as $2.13 (I think) per hour, because they know they'll receive tips from customers that will make up the difference. It's a legal scam to transfer payroll expenses from employers to customers.
I haven't had thet experience...yet. But I would not tip a sales clerk. A waiter or a server, of course. But the person ringing up my vinyl record at the checkout counter, no way.
Glad to hear it's not just me. And I don't mind if they ask if I'd like to tip... but when you just add 20% onto the bill? Sure, I can go in and cancel it, but I like to decide how much I'm tipping. Thanks for stopping by.
No way am I tipping someone who sells me a record. Tips were meant to reward exceptional sevrice and not an automatic. My tip to them is stop doing this.
is there no "no tip" option? surely tipping is only for actual service.
anytime ive visited the states ive only ever tipped for service NOT retail.
here in ireland tipping isnt necesarry but good service is always rewarded in tips (its a nice thing to do but nit expected).... but tipping a retail clerk???? errr no.
There's an option, but it should be the default. Also, it's easy to overlook the fact that a tip has been added unless you look carefully, which means it's easy to accidentally approve it on the credit card machine. Thanks for stopping by!
That is ridiculous! Buying a record and eating at a restaurant are two different things!! You tip a server at a restaurant but tipping the guy ringing up a record you’re buying???? Sorry I can’t do that!!!!
Why tip at a restaurant? You don't think restaurants are set up like that on purpose to have the clientele pay the wages of the employees? Not sure why that's OK but asking tips at a retail store when the employees are paying way more out of pocket than any restaurant. If you enjoyed the shopping experience and found their staff friendly and helpful, what the hell's wrong with paying a tip? You don't want to pay a tip, then don't. I don't, but I don't fault people that do leave tips at retail stores.
I was in Greece a few years back and I soon found out that
tipping is an insult.
The dude that owns my local shop has a card reader that asks if you want to tip. I belueve this is just a default question that is in the card reader program itself but he does not expect people to tip. In fact he usually gives me a discount on the records I buy. Id recmoned watching the tipping scene from resevoir dogs for those who have not scene it 😉
Agreed, but I wouldn't call it a scam. I suspect it's merely a hope that an unsuspecting customer isn't attentive to a debit/credit machine that has the tipping feature enabled.
No tips for clerks, NEVER. I am from Austria, we don't tip as much as the USA, I lived in NY, I know your rules, but never would I tip a clerk even if he made recommendations. So when i buy new jeans and the clerk brings them to me, I try them on and then I buy them, I have to tip??? Never, sorry, not in my country, not in the USA.
One of my local record stores also has a bar but if you only buy records there’s no tip option on the register iPad. That would be kinda nuts to be honest. And I ALWAYS tip but I wouldn’t tip for vinyl sales.
I haven't been in a shop that sells "tip-able" items like food along side records although I am aware of at least one such shop here in Brooklyn. I would say something to the owner or manager. Point out that records are not traditionally items that get tipped on and refuse to cooperate with this policy. Buy records elsewhere if they insist.
They don't insist, per se. They just suggest a 20% tip, and prefill the amount, when you check out via credit card. You can hit the button to cancel the tip, but the first time, I hit "accept" out of habit.
Tip or not the customer always pay for the staff but this is just greed
No tipping in Sweden, only at a restaurant when you get good service.
Cafe/record store doesn’t seem like a good combination to me. Right away I am imagining greasy fingers touching records. I would probably never shop there.
This may be a loophole for the employer to use to keep wages low by claiming that the employees ":also receive tips"
Good point!
Do the employers ever consider that guilting their customers into tipping could encourage those customers to shop elsewhere?
Sounds like it's as simple as a type of business it is now. Used to be retail, now also offering service where tipping now gets asked automatically in POS during checkout. As a consumer we need to be aware of this and either decline to tip (enter 0 for tip) or choose to tip on an amount that was a service only item. My family owns a hair salon and our POS is smart and doesn't ask people to tip if they only buy retail products, but I can not speaker for other POS systems other businesses have in place, they might be limited or set to always ask for a tip. Also, the person ringing you up is getting compensated a fair regular wage and does not need to be tipped. A zero tip is an appropriate tip for retail items. 😅 Problem solved ;)
I'm in the UK and I've NEVER seen or heard of this! To be honest, even in a cafe or restaurant I would only tip if the service was exceptional, you shouldn't have to pay extra for 'good' service.
It definitely seems to be more of an America thing. Tipping here is instilled in the culture, which is very irritating.
As a Canadian currently living in the UK, I was happy to see that the tipping culture is not as big of a thing over here as it is in North America (although it's kind of ironic - I always thought of Britain as being more socialist)... That being said, I have noticed recently that a lot of restaurants here are now asking for us to pay a 20% service charge on top of the bill, which they didn't used to do. I'm guessing this is to offset some of the costs they had during the pandemic, but I'm really not sure.
I have never seen or heard of anything like this. I live in a small town in Tennessee, which is close to Oak Ridge, which is about a 30 minute drive from my home. The name of the record store is Wild Honey Records. They also have another store in Knoxville, but I have never been to the store in Knoxville. I try to go to the Wild Honey Records in Oak Ridge at least 3 times out of a month. But again I have never heard of tipping for vinyl. That sounds insane to me. I would think that would push customers away!
In this day and age, all bets are off, as sense and sensibility take on new meaning.
We own 46,000 + Records, & I have NEVER tipped for any, in 65 years...Nor WILL I never tip for a record! .....Insanity
Sometimes that’s is built into the credit card processing program and you can’t remove them as the purveyor.
Nobody would stand for this here in Australia. Tipping is frowned upon at most places. Mandatory tipping would be against fair trading laws.
Theres no way I'm tipping someone just because they rang up my purchases.
Ridiculous.
My guess is what's happening at these stores that sell records and beverages is that they have one check-out system for the entire store, which operates at each register. And the system -- designed for a food service place, where it is normal to ask for tips -- is asking for tips at every point of sale, even where it's inappropriate. To me, that means if I was at one of those stores, I'd give a tip if a waiter served me some food item, but I would not tip if I was buying records. If I was buying food *and* records? Well I guess I'd tip on the food portion of my purchase.
Yep, agreed. That’s what I’m doing too. The problem is that sometimes the tip just gets added without your consent. It can be removed, but only if you notice it was added in the first place. Thanks for watching!
The whole tipping thing in general is out of control with the handout jar being out everywhere.
there's no proof that tips go to a record store clerk. period. if a store is paying their employees that low to ask for tips its a big red flag. if they tried to pull that with me i would leave and never go back. i also find it strange that its "customary" to tip at a fancy sit down restaurant but not at a fast food restaurant. both make and serve you food right? the difference is you're tipping for the "prestige" of a high end restaurant while the employees at a fast food joint are working harder and faster and are not allowed to get tips. from your bank to buying concert tickets, its just another way to take your money by disguising it as a "tip", 'additional fee", "processing fee", etc...
I was just in the Memphis and Nashville areas and needed to buy a cane, went to major pharmacy chain store, and had that tip option come up on the checkout card reader. I thought WTF? Selected NO and payed and left. Doesn’t surprise me one bit the crap that is being pulled now
Merchants are also trying to charge credit card/debit card sales a 3.75% fee usage to off set their fees to the credit card companies. Tipping should always be an option for the customer in a food service/beverage service business, but not for records or other general merchandise. Tips should never be assumed by the server either, as it is always up to the customer to determine if a tip is earned by service performed.
It's a scam in the SF Bay Area too. I went to Amoeba Records last year and they charged me an additional tax on my album on top of the CA state sales tax. When I asked what the additional tax was, they said it was for the Record shop's staff welfare fund. So basically it was a tip! It was a stealth tax and I think they bank on people not noticing or checking the receipt.
Exactly! It’s extremely sneaky and I don’t even understand how they can legally add that surcharge to the bill without your consent.
waitresses/waiters and baristas. that's all. f that
I worked second jobs in music stores for 13 years, not once was I tipped,nor would I would I accept one. I'd leave that store a nasty review on google
You're absolutely right! While I haven't seen this in record stores yet, I've seen it pop up elsewhere and I find it super annoying/borderline insulting to say the least. Food service is one thing, but tips at some of these other places is absolutely ridiculous and I'm not doing it, especially on a credit card and with the outrageous inflation of everything nowadays. It's not our fault some settle for getting paid peanuts.. People need to fight for fair wages. I always thought tips were kind of bullshit, except in some cases, where it depends on the person I'm dealing with and what the service is.. I really wish we were more like Europe! 🤷🏻♂️
In the Netherlands tipping is not the standard. If it ain't more than average it ain't worth tipping.
In the U.K. this doesn’t happen, near me is a record store and cafe( Slipped Discs and Brown Suger in Billericay, Essex). The cafe is separate and you can tip the staff serving you food, the records you just pay for at the other counter.
Two registers makes it easier to separate the purchases, I imagine. The places I mentioned only have one. Thanks for stopping by!
I never give a tip tbh. Because 1) I don't know the people and 2) Basically you could tip everybody then. Why would I give a tip to every person I buy something from. It makes no sense. The item or service comes with a certain price and I'll pay for it. And that's it. If I buy a coffee at Starbucks and it costs me 4-5 Euro; I think that's more than enough. Here in the Netherlands we always say: "het geld groeit me niet op de rug". What actually means something like: money doesn't grow on my back. It doesn't come for free. We'll have to work for it too. Right?
It's just the program platform they use, that is tailored to their bread and butter ( the alcohol). Maybe it's intentional, but I think vinyl is the abberation, while drink purchases are what the store sells the most. I don't think it's nefarious, but they wouldn't mind getting that extra tip lol
I realize that tipping is usually expected in food and drink businesses and other areas such as parking attendants and maid service. Even though tipping for good service is the proper thing do I feel that it it should be the customer's choice to decide whether or not the service given a tip.. A store cashier who does nothing more than take payment for your purchase has no reason to expect a tip. If the person assists you in finding a particular item you're shopping for or gives you service beyond his job description, then a small tip might be in order, like a dollar or two if you feel the person deserves it, but otherwise no tip should be expected and certainly no automatically added to your purchase. I just wouldn't shop at the stores that require a tip for the cashier, if you have an issue with their policy.
No way I am tipping on that sh*t lol
It's brainwash, and it's also the Point-Of-Sale software that will not differentiate between served-food purchases from any other. I would automatically choose custom tip and enter zero, because no tip applies to the sale. And if the clerk complains, like "I'm the one who stocks those bins!" then I'd ask if he/she tracks down all the shelf-stockers to tip them at grocery stores, hardware stores, convenience stores, everywhere?!
Tell them HELL NO!! When I get a thing like that I don't tip. I too have had the same thing at Pizza Hut but I won't tip people that are PAID EMPLOYEES for the job that they're already PAID FOR! It's the same thing as anywhere else. DON'T SHOP THERE!!! What you need to do is COMPLAIN to the store owners or do what you're doing right now - TELL EVERYONE ABOUT IT! They don't know if something's wrong if no one says anything.
Those places asking for tips and selling drinks are a joke and should never be considered legitimate record stores. Everyone with access to Discogs thinks they're a record dealer these days. Pathetic.
No minimum wage in the US yet? Did you say the record clerks only get paid a couple of dollars an hr? If I heard your right, I find that astonishing. To be honest, as an Englishman, America seems very dog-eat-dog place to live, with wages and the health care system.
Tipping is a foreign concept in the UK, unless you go to a fancy restaurant. If I was in your situation though, I would never tip someone 20% who hasn't even spoken to me other than to take my money.
Sorry, I explained it poorly. There is a (pathetic) minimum wage here in the United States for non-tipped employees. It's been a little over $7 for the past couple of decades. However, for employees who traditionally receive tips, such as waiters, the minimum wage is much lower. I think it's $2.13 an hour, or something like that. So if you're a waiter, your boss pays you $2.13 an hour, because customers typically will make up the rest with tips. It's a horrendous, yet legal, scam.
In the UK we onl tip really at restaurants we have 25% VAT(sales tax) on anything we buy which is enough in my book
Yeah ok...tipping a guy at the record store counter, give me break.This is BS...
I'm from Canada and there is no tipping except for restaurants and hotels. When you go out to eat it is expected of you to tip 20% or more. Years ago it was 10%. In the province of Quebec it is actually law. The way I feel is, I will tip whenever I want. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't. No one is going to force it on me unless they change the laws in this province too.
Exactly. A tip is a reward for a job well done. If it's mandatory, it's no longer a tip. It's just a service charge.
Watching in San Diego & we don’t tip retail anywhere that I know of, or where I shop for LP’s. Where in the USA do you live where they’re charging 20%, that’s ridiculous.
That is just a function of their credit card system. No, you don't have to tip for a retail purchase nor should you feel obligated.
I've walked out of places and left the item at the counter. I tip very well at restaurants , usually 25%. and places like the carwash when they clean my car. but most places in ma. have a $15.00 min. wage. I worked in the supermarket business and we never asked or received tips. it's getting out of hand and I'm not tipping anyone for just ringing up an order. I just walk away.