No Euphony? No Problem! This DPS Warlock Build CRUSHES The Competition

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  • Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
  • In today’s video we go over an alternative warlock damage setup to Euphony which is still very competitive if not better than it, so for anyone of you who don’t have Euphony yet, take notes!
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    Ever since we found out that the new Song of Flame super gave you near infinite grenade ability regeneration for the length of its duration I had a thought that it might enable older rotations to resurface, specifically the really old Demo Rocket Starfire Protocol rotation. Back in the day, pre-nerf Starfire enabled crazy regeneration of your Fusion Grenades if you used Witherhoard for the constant tick damage, though as we all know this meta has long since passed, but as you’ll see today, not only can you do this once again with Song of Flame, new contenders can also be weaved into the rotation like Still Hunt to pad your overall total damage by even more. Not to mention, the Ignitions caused by the Phoenix Grenades cause most bosses to stagger constantly, letting you control any bosses with erratic movement such as the Herald of Finality. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the breakdown and good luck trying it yourself!
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    Edited by Jude/heretomars!
    0:00 - 0:59 Intro
    0:59 - 3:46 The Rotation Explained
    3:46 - 4:05 Comparison To Old Starfire
    4:05 - 5:01 Optimal Weapons
    5:01 - 5:57 Full Rotation On Greg (3.4m)
    5:57 - 7:28 Alternative Witherhoard Rotation (3.3m)
    7:28 - 7:51 Note About Bait & Switch
    7:51 - 8:41 Prismatic Or Solar?
    8:41 - 9:05 Build Summary
    9:05 - 9:48 Practical Rotation (The Witness, 5.4m)
    9:48 - 10:18 Outro
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  • @jawshoeadan
    @jawshoeadan 6 днів тому +164

    Other UA-camrs: what’s up guys
    Llama: Right

    • @max-pn8tt
      @max-pn8tt 6 днів тому +4

      Nah but I mess with it heavy 😂

  • @rogerhuston8287
    @rogerhuston8287 6 днів тому +174

    LOL, Euphy rotation we are all use to. Less than 1% have that weapon.

    • @KalanosYT
      @KalanosYT 6 днів тому +12

      Right? 😂

    • @Kartoffelkopf242
      @Kartoffelkopf242 5 днів тому +20

      Literally the words in my head as I heard that.
      Love you Llama but these UA-camrs are getting more and more out of touch with the average player.

    • @treymanz9387
      @treymanz9387 5 днів тому +2

      *Used to seeing 😅😂

    • @oak410
      @oak410 5 днів тому

      More than 1% of Warlock DPS videos contain Euphony . Which is what he was saying...

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  5 днів тому +41

      I was more referring to the surplus of Euphony DPS videos but I could have worded it better, apologies!

  • @saladgaming4339
    @saladgaming4339 6 днів тому +71

    Honestly special weapon ammo conversion is super good so you don't even need to use a primary, you can just be on the call for pre dps and switch to mt during

    • @michaelbrown688
      @michaelbrown688 6 днів тому

      Special ammo conversion, dont see that mod

    • @maj29
      @maj29 6 днів тому +22

      @@michaelbrown688not a mod he’s just saying how good switching specials is ammo economy-wise

    • @Surf272
      @Surf272 6 днів тому

      Only issue there would be not getting your recombination stacks but in the grand scheme of things it wouldn't make that big of a difference

    • @marceletta
      @marceletta 6 днів тому +1

      ​@@Surf272if you can't get recomb stacks then you can go vorpal instead

    • @Surf272
      @Surf272 6 днів тому

      @@marceletta true

  • @Frodo_Synthesis
    @Frodo_Synthesis 5 днів тому +9

    prismatic will definitely be better for this, even with the slightly slower recharge rate. Your super damage gets boosted my star-eater and facet of courage (unravel with arcane needle before popping super). Use jolting storm nades and toss one before popping super to get even more damage from jolt. Facet of dawn will let you carry radiant after the super ends for more damage aswell.

  • @meekumanu
    @meekumanu 6 днів тому +14

    On the grenade cooldown on Prismatic:
    It's probably because of the base cooldown of your grenade. Because you're normally using Fusion Grenades which have a really low base cooldown (1min13secs), they come up much faster during the super on Solar. I'm yet to test this, but if you pick the grenade on Prismatic with the lowest cooldown, the moth grenade will probably come back pretty fast during the super as well.
    Unfortunately, the lowest cooldown grenade on Prismatic is Healing Grenade (1min31secs) which still has a longer cooldown and does no damage, so it interferes with the damage of the Apotheosis Veil part of the rotation.
    You could also pop Transcendence before your super, and then dealing damage with your melee will increase your grenade recharge rate as well. It would mess with the rotation a little, but it's not like the Song of Flame melee does bad damage anyway.
    I'm sure there is a method for Prismatic to do more damage here, but it needs a lot more testing. Storm or Threadling Grenade (2min1sec) just have dramatically higher cooldowns than Fusion so it'll take a bit more work on getting a well timed rotation.

    • @tetrodoksyna2130
      @tetrodoksyna2130 5 днів тому

      with prismatic you could unravel with melee and weaken with grenade, before using your super, that could help a bit, but void nade has hella long cooldown

    • @masterjim666
      @masterjim666 5 днів тому

      I'm gonna try Inmost Light with Prismatic. And if we could make Vortex work we could debuff as well.

    • @RyZe6016
      @RyZe6016 5 днів тому +1

      another reason is possibly the fact that song of flame grants radiant to allies and in the testing ember of benevolence is active boosting regen of his grenade

    • @theaugsom3
      @theaugsom3 День тому

      Song of flame melee range is too short to hit the witness so you won’t get getting more grenade regen from it during his fight at least

  • @BelgianBagel
    @BelgianBagel 5 днів тому +9

    with regards to Bait n Switch vs Explosive light, although the difference is only 5%, wolfpack rounds are NOT buffed by EL but they ARE buffed by Bait n Switch. The rocket damage discrepancy between the two perks is a little bigger than you might believe just by looking at the numbers

    • @PpTheGreatest
      @PpTheGreatest 5 днів тому +2

      Yes, but since very few rockets are typically fired by the other players during DPS on the witness, handicapping another player to the Gjallahorn is an overall DPS loss for the group.

    • @masterjim666
      @masterjim666 5 днів тому +3

      The first BnS rocket is not buffed at all. You have to shoot your other weapon which takes time. So bottom line it's probably still very close.

    • @BelgianBagel
      @BelgianBagel 5 днів тому +1

      @@masterjim666 while it is not buffed visually, the actual damage is. number/wipe screen damage does not always match the actual damage done to a boss health bar

    • @BelgianBagel
      @BelgianBagel 5 днів тому +2

      @@PpTheGreatest the witness is not the only boss in the game

  • @damienrobinson4138
    @damienrobinson4138 6 днів тому +18

    theres a new DPS meta with Warlocks now using legend of acrius, on close up DPS phases like herald

    • @Alckee6904
      @Alckee6904 6 днів тому +4

      Not really new, acrius has had its metas since D1 launch. Always been strong at close range.

    • @damienrobinson4138
      @damienrobinson4138 6 днів тому

      @@Alckee6904 its more a viable option now with the fragments and warlock bond allowing for frontloaded and sustained dmg, its 3x stronger than it was this past year whenever people would whip it out for WR first boss

    • @PpTheGreatest
      @PpTheGreatest 5 днів тому +10

      ​@Alckee6904 Definitely new compared to old Acrius rotations.
      On Prismatic, throw down a stasis turret (for darkness debuff and shatters), then pop prismatic for a weaken and freeze nade, then pop song of flame and snap + Acrius x3 on repeat until the super ends. Ignitions from snap do big damage due to darkness debuffs. Shatters do additional damage. Acrius auto reloads due to freeze. Acrius does big DPS by itself too. Song of flame gives DR so safe to get up close.
      This takes Acrius to a whole new level to old rotations. Arguably the best up close rotation in the game.

    • @tetrodoksyna2130
      @tetrodoksyna2130 5 днів тому

      @@PpTheGreatest unfortunately the fragment that did reloads got nerfed, now it has like 11s cooldown

    • @hondo2356
      @hondo2356 5 днів тому +1

      @@PpTheGreatest the turret and auto reload aren’t needed, the shatter damage is a small bonus but I think hellion would net you more damage. You can darkness debuff from solitude or arcane needle. The big DPS comes from the huge chunk damage star eaters song of flame snaps do and just shoot/reload acrius in between snaps. It’s also great rotation for a tractor player, just use a one two punch legendary aggressive shotgun.

  • @CrazyByDefault
    @CrazyByDefault 5 днів тому +5

    Grave Robber was buffed to be the same as Demo wrt reloads, and might have a different internal cooldown. Celestial fire can be used in Song to hit targets like the Witness as well.
    Grenades use 6% of your super in Song, and have a longer animation. Melees use 3% of your super in Song, resulting in a longer super with more weapon damage uptime, and removing the requirement of ApoVeil for finishing the rotation.
    StarEaters+Claws on the class item does give you 2 melees in your super as well, which chunk much harder. Claws will change the rotation significantly tho, depending on GraveRobber's ICD.
    The caveat - the only heavy weapon with GraveRobber worth considering is going to be Crowning Duologue, coming with the Solstice soon. It will most probably outclass the Demo rotation for weapon uptime, but being a worse archetype than Apex, might have lower total damage for a higher dps.

  • @yourbrojohno
    @yourbrojohno 5 днів тому +2

    This rotation with rain of fire is peak DPS. You can shoot the rocket at almost full speed for the entire mag, and have bns for the entire mag dump. However if you are combining it with a still hunt rotation to never have to reload then explosive light is better cause you don't have to shoot your third weapon (which you aren't doing here???)
    Rotation: (I'll try this out myself maybe, but either you or chicken sie are gonna be in a race to upload it)
    Still hunt Goldie x3, normal x3, rocket grenade rocket dash, still hunt x3, pop still hunt Goldie and super to animation cancel, then Goldie x3, rocket grenade rocket dash rocket grenade, still hunt x6, rocket grenade rocket dash still hunt Goldie x3 still hunt x3 rocket grenade dash still hunt x3 Goldie x3. This should work in your average 30second DPS phase. I think that's out of ammo there for both, you always could pair it with a demo vorpal/frenzy mountaintop and do Mntp grenade Mntp dash Mntp grenade Mntp dash for the rest of the DPS phase of on apotheosis.

  • @azure98
    @azure98 6 днів тому +4

    Its always great to see people pushing alternative DPS rotations, the more options the better. Seeing Mountaintop in the video we all know how good mountaintop can be but ive been pretty interested in Wildstyle's Trait refresh and any potential combinations it could be used in.

    • @carnage9536
      @carnage9536 6 днів тому

      It's really good in place of wilderflight for izi rocket rotations

    • @thomash8513
      @thomash8513 6 днів тому +1

      @@carnage9536it’s literally just better than wilderflight for anything with apex but if it’s edge wilderflight’s better but nah strand izi gl rocket necrotics is just better than this guys rotation the shit he’s doing is convoluted asf like the difference is there’s 1 tight reload into a super compared to this shit it’s about same dmg but izi gl apex is faster same with edge if ur doing cascade rotations

    • @carnage9536
      @carnage9536 5 днів тому

      @@thomash8513 that’s why I said it.

    • @thomash8513
      @thomash8513 5 днів тому

      @@carnage9536 wait I’m slow

  • @ley_0304
    @ley_0304 6 днів тому +7

    B&S will still be better imo when gally is available, just make one of the titan run it, they aren't doing that much anyway lol.

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 6 днів тому

      Right, the trick is that a lot of people aren't stacking rockets on Salvation's Edge's bosses, so that Titan is probably better off doing some stronger rotation for themselves than giving a buff to a relatively small part of your total damage--but you are correct in a different sense, because BnS buffs Wolfpack Rounds and Explosive Light doesn't, so the difference between the perks becomes much sharper.

  • @thename6031
    @thename6031 5 днів тому +2

    If you use bump in the night with chill clip and demo you can do this and have chill clip reload with facet of command on prismatic

  • @Seylle.
    @Seylle. 5 днів тому +2

    was looking all around for a good dps warlock build

  • @drupins9511
    @drupins9511 5 днів тому +1

    Can you do some damage tests with bipod? Demo bipod will reload 2 per grenade which could provide similar dps and has more total damage despite the reduced damage per rocket. Bipod also has the benefit of gaining more ammo per brick when refilling ammo after a dps phase.

  • @TheOnlyBritishGuy
    @TheOnlyBritishGuy 6 днів тому +18

    Ive also noticed arcane needle has a longer cool down on prismatic than it does on the base strand subclass. Idk if its a balancing thing or what but i greatly dislike it

    • @meekumanu
      @meekumanu 6 днів тому

      Yeah, I have no idea why it has the longest cooldown across the melees on Prismatic but it really messes with my builds.

    • @leovulinovic914
      @leovulinovic914 6 днів тому

      @@meekumanubecause lightning surge getting 3 charges needs to be balanced slightly

    • @nathanflinchum1153
      @nathanflinchum1153 6 днів тому +8

      @@leovulinovic914then lightning surge can increase the cooldown while it’s equipped, instead of nerfing something that doesn’t need it

    • @JD_Reaper
      @JD_Reaper 5 днів тому +1

      ​@nathanflinchum1153 right, if LSurge is the problem then they should do something to LS not arcane needle

  • @nicholasfpayne
    @nicholasfpayne 6 днів тому +7

    Because throwing a grenade uses up super energy, I think you could get through everything without apotheosis if you didn’t throw extra grenades that aren’t proccing demo. It made sense for starfire, but less so for song of flame.

    • @GlutenPlayz
      @GlutenPlayz 5 днів тому

      True i guess but there really is no point in not running apotheosis ?
      Dont think there are any options to increase your damage further, but im not an expert in warlocks so correct me if im wrong…

    • @mrthor3061
      @mrthor3061 5 днів тому

      @@GlutenPlayzuse a class item with star eaters and whatever else you want you’ll love how much more you can do

  • @psykeydeylos
    @psykeydeylos 4 дні тому

    you can double dip with witherhoard to squeeze out extra dmg by landing a direct hit and then shooting the floor to create a pool instead of landing back to back direct hits

  • @hahayay1086
    @hahayay1086 5 днів тому +1

    That one vanguard double shot gl got some good perk reworks too, so it would look good here and you’d be able to run a good primary for ad clear

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  5 днів тому +2

      Yeah I do want to get my hands on it!

  • @m3ltzz499
    @m3ltzz499 6 днів тому +2

    Should test this with the new wildstyle with recon/vorpal and also mountaintop

  • @Cqntemplate
    @Cqntemplate 5 днів тому +1

    One of my friend with the apotheosis/stareaters class item hit about 4.3-4.5 iirc (although admittedly the damage rotation was scuffed af)

  • @Surf272
    @Surf272 6 днів тому +2

    Hey Llama I've uploaded myself doing damn near 5 million to the Grasp Ogre using Legend of Acrius and Song of Flame solo. I bet if you tried it you could hit 5 million. Though what you show here is definitely the better option for ranged bosses

    • @ckruberducky
      @ckruberducky 5 днів тому +1

      the yt gods recommended your video a few days ago. i was floored. time to improve my solo grasp speed

  • @jorgemedrano5607
    @jorgemedrano5607 6 днів тому +1

    How good is the damage with Dragonbreth?

  • @Rathia4
    @Rathia4 6 днів тому +1

    could you possibly look at cloudstrike swapping with an arc rocket/gl. i used it on titan and was able to do 6 mill in 2 phases on witness with only one twilight arsenal and a few arc grenades. cloudstrike is also very ammo efficient with triple tap and allows you to keep dumping after youve used all 9 rockets. (the rocket i used was hothead with auto loading and explosive light)

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 6 днів тому

      It's pretty reasonable; last week I saw a video of a trio warlock Witness kill that used cloudstrike for DPS (arc surge was still a thing), where the heavy ammo gun was ALH/Cascade Wendigo. Basically every time they ran out their Cloudstrike mags they'd reload cancel by swapping to Wendigo and dumping it.

    • @rastaraptor6619
      @rastaraptor6619 5 днів тому

      @@life-destiny1196We do damage now as if all surges are on, so damage would be the same.

  • @myturn926
    @myturn926 5 днів тому +1

    I took a shot every time he said rocket and nade

  • @dannykrakt736
    @dannykrakt736 6 днів тому

    I think if u can get the star eater apotheosis class item, running prismatic with something like threadling or storm nades is probably worth it.

  • @mrflipflop7116
    @mrflipflop7116 5 днів тому

    Might be interesting to see if dps/total dmg are incresed if using transmatic + class item with apo+star eater (70% dmg buff to gre and melee) + (needle melee or stasis tourelle + items that make light competences do more damage to targets having a darkness "debuff"). IE: go prismatic, lauch stasis/ void gre then super with the same rotation. Might also be good to have void heavy to get bonus dmg with void debuf.... a lot of things to try ;)
    But you're using heavy+super for dps, so there's a trade off depending on the boss dmg/phases. Long boss dps like prophecy it might better better to use the super and the heavy tomax the damage. A lot of EGO tools to play with ;)
    I really enjoy your video, thanks

  • @masterjim666
    @masterjim666 5 днів тому

    re Prismatic: Grenade cooldown should be better with Starfire or Inmost Light? And might as well throw an occasional melee in there.. I'm gonna try it. Got a class item with both.
    But you're right oldschool solar looks very good, and we can play proper medic as well.

  • @zigzag2370
    @zigzag2370 5 днів тому

    you can go even further and play prismatic and then add solipsism with star eater apotheosis and you really can cook you start the whole thing in transcendence then pop your super but start the rotation with your first transcendence grenade and then youre gonna wanna add in your arcane needle to debuff the target with darkness to proc your fragment that buffs light damage which will further increase dps

    • @PpTheGreatest
      @PpTheGreatest 5 днів тому +1

      Doesn't work on the witness. Arcane needle tracks to immune spots. Also, the grenade to follow the end of the super is worse than touch of flame fusion grenades, and this difference is not made up for by the star eater grenades from Song of Flame.

  • @DustinMorris-lu3lb
    @DustinMorris-lu3lb 4 дні тому

    would using a second auto-loading gl in the rotation not increase the rotation duration making you no longer need to reload? Im not well versed in all this tho so I could be dead wrong but just thought id ask

  • @LaquanDawsonBlackKing
    @LaquanDawsonBlackKing 3 дні тому

    what dmg rotation lasts long enough for song of flame + apotheosis relevant?

  • @ajaverill08
    @ajaverill08 5 днів тому

    I have that class item, i should try this out

  • @Patrick-xc7rd
    @Patrick-xc7rd 5 днів тому

    So I got the bond with this helemts perk but it doesn't seem to be working for me And demo rocket isn't working for me on song of flame supers grenade? Am I doing something wrong? (I tested this in the enclave range, not sure if that matters.)

  • @peppapog8376
    @peppapog8376 День тому

    I wonder, with song of flame active, is it better to just use a melee (assuming youre in range) instead of swapping to a different weapon to shoot which demo is on cooldown?

  • @achryllic2607
    @achryllic2607 5 днів тому

    me looking at this and recon + b&s wild style rubbing my hands together

  • @Trees380
    @Trees380 5 днів тому +1

    Will the double fire gl from nightfalls with way better perks change the loadout and setup due to having the ability to match surges?

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  5 днів тому +1

      Potentially yes, will have to wait until we can get our hands on it.

  • @kostas13524
    @kostas13524 3 дні тому +1

    Gotta ask, what are the chest pieces you are using? The one at the start of the vid and the izanagi one.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  3 дні тому +1

      Forbidden Visage Robes :)

  • @Mark-wr8td
    @Mark-wr8td 6 днів тому

    maybe because your using benevolence that the SoF grenade is coming back quicker?

  • @thegremlin3064
    @thegremlin3064 6 днів тому

    finally explosive pact has an actual use

  • @Darth_Chalice
    @Darth_Chalice 5 днів тому +1

    My question is how do I even find a group like yours and the other top players like Aegis or Tizzle? I've been trying for years going from group to group and it feels impossible. I've pushed myself to the limit and want nothing more than to find people with similar and hopefully better skill than me so that I can keep getting better. I feel like nothing in this game is challenging anymore but I can't find people like you guys who feel the same. I don't want to just be a viewer who tags along, I want to genuinely be a part of a good group like yours because I can hold my own and know that I could be getting even better with the right team pushing me.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  5 днів тому +1

      Sorry to hear that dude, my advice would be try joining an active clan and making friends that way, or perhaps convincing some of your IRL friends to join! There's never been a better time to start playing Destiny than now!
      Also, my Discord server is full of really chill good players so maybe stop by and say hi!

  • @mrthor3061
    @mrthor3061 5 днів тому +1

    just found you this week your videos are very cleanly presented, very clear information as well good on you lad.

  • @GlutenPlayz
    @GlutenPlayz 5 днів тому

    I wonder if its better than just chucking a star eaters nova bomb then envious bns edge transit
    Also unfortunate news on the prismatic

  • @DadsThermostat_
    @DadsThermostat_ 5 днів тому

    Use gally cuz it makes your solar weapons scorch and the wolfpacks will also ignite

  • @chime4044
    @chime4044 5 днів тому

    if someone one your team is using gally then every two rockets will cause an ignition too for even more damage

  • @CodeWithDavide
    @CodeWithDavide 5 днів тому

    meanwhile hunter: press F
    shoot
    done.

  • @codeinecon
    @codeinecon 5 днів тому

    you gotta do a vid on new acrius rotation if youre gonna keep testing on greg icl

  • @Seylle.
    @Seylle. 5 днів тому

    The apotheosis is only really good for longer dps at least with song of flame

  • @xandergesellmann3369
    @xandergesellmann3369 6 днів тому +4

    Would it be worth doing this on prismatic with the apotheeosis and star eater class item?

    • @FalloutFan011
      @FalloutFan011 6 днів тому

      Unfortunately I believe not because the damage loss from not having fusion nades + touch of flame might be significant enough to matter..

    • @xandergesellmann3369
      @xandergesellmann3369 6 днів тому

      @@FalloutFan011 yeah was thinking the same, still interesting to test tho

    • @izanagisburden9465
      @izanagisburden9465 6 днів тому

      @@FalloutFan011 staorm nade is pretyu close to a touch of flame fusion... tho no ignitions

    • @zeroshadowzs
      @zeroshadowzs 5 днів тому

      ​@@xandergesellmann3369 idk how to do the math, but star eater + apotheosis is 70% more damage from your super. It might not matter but would be worth it for someone who understood the math to test lol

  • @samanthavalles8005
    @samanthavalles8005 4 дні тому

    better than strand lock?

  • @andersbylund2753
    @andersbylund2753 5 днів тому

    Why not use the snap aswell?

  • @xpapakahn94
    @xpapakahn94 6 днів тому

    Can you try 1k on Greg. Before TFS it did half his health and was a comfortable 2 phase solo

  • @GiovanniGeorgioo
    @GiovanniGeorgioo 5 днів тому

    Why MT has recombination over vorpal?

  • @Feelthebeez
    @Feelthebeez 5 днів тому

    Can you rest the rotation with dragons breath

  • @arthas_stormr8ge877
    @arthas_stormr8ge877 5 днів тому

    I tried zero hour last night and we are so much weaker now, it was taking so much to kill the tanks. A dragons breath shot only takes like a 1/4 or slightly more of their health.

  • @oblivion1933
    @oblivion1933 5 днів тому

    I thought explosive light doesn’t apply to wolfpacks unlike BnS?

  • @DarthAscension
    @DarthAscension 5 днів тому

    I was looking for a good witness damage rotation but rockets are a no go for me as the amount of times I have blown myself up is beyond frustrating

  • @Allknowingkeith
    @Allknowingkeith 5 днів тому

    I use Pris' demo with tessellation.

  • @ScreaminpirateEDC
    @ScreaminpirateEDC 5 днів тому

    Cool cool cool. Imma run speakers sight and be a healy Boi.

  • @srbunnie
    @srbunnie 5 днів тому

    Im using this combo with prismatic hunter activated. . Heavy and special dump

  • @kvn8284
    @kvn8284 5 днів тому

    can u do the same build but with strand ?

  • @crazymrporkchop4293
    @crazymrporkchop4293 5 днів тому

    Is the point of using bns not the fact it works with Wolfpack rounds, obviously solo dosent matter but I’m pretty sure explosive light doesn’t buff wolfpacks

  • @imkyro3120
    @imkyro3120 6 днів тому

    forgot to show the dps with the rotation lol

  • @smiffy.airsoft.ghillie5861
    @smiffy.airsoft.ghillie5861 5 днів тому

    use celestial fire, then you can melee too

  • @Wardine
    @Wardine 6 днів тому +1

    Why do you do a manual reload instead of throwing another grenade?

    • @auoji
      @auoji 6 днів тому +5

      Demo is still on cooldown

    • @Optclzr
      @Optclzr 6 днів тому +1

      To stop it from going out of cycle, he mentions this. If you keep using demo everything will be out of sync

    • @Wardine
      @Wardine 6 днів тому

      @@auoji ah didn't realize demo had a cd

    • @LtzGuerz
      @LtzGuerz 6 днів тому +1

      Yeah demo has a cooldown but I try to do a power melee instead reloading manually and after that trow a granade to reload and it is better and stun the boss with ignition

  • @EldritchNight
    @EldritchNight 5 днів тому

    Can you please test lemant with song of flame

  • @turkialmahmoud2195
    @turkialmahmoud2195 6 днів тому

    Does having MT with vorpal better for shooting more shots than recomp?

    • @nathanflinchum1153
      @nathanflinchum1153 6 днів тому

      Just depends on how many you shoot, longer dps phases would make vorpal more useful

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 6 днів тому

      Assuming max recombination stacks, the breakpoint at which Vorpal becomes better is seven shots. (Think of it as one boost of 100% versus seven boosts of 15%, which is 105% of a shot in total.)

  • @SpeedroidTerrortop
    @SpeedroidTerrortop 5 днів тому +1

    Why cant you just alternate grenade and rocket? Why do you have to reload a demo rocket in this rotation?

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  5 днів тому +1

      The demo cooldown is too long to constantly use it

    • @SpeedroidTerrortop
      @SpeedroidTerrortop 5 днів тому

      @@LlamaD2 oh okay thanks

  • @germanluzdewolf5517
    @germanluzdewolf5517 5 днів тому

    Look interesting 🤔

  • @user-cb8xd7xz4t
    @user-cb8xd7xz4t 6 днів тому

    Cloudstrike + terminal crux (reconstruct + explosive light) + nova bomb (with star eaters) = 4+ million in one phase

    • @rastaraptor6619
      @rastaraptor6619 5 днів тому

      Seem to have gotten every crux apart from this one. Gonna try cloudstrike field prep cascade wendigo next time, see how that does.

  • @classicjoker2008
    @classicjoker2008 5 днів тому

    I don't "have" a warlock and hunter, what is good dps using titan haha.

  • @readyforlol
    @readyforlol 5 днів тому

    To think they gave facet of command 11s cooldown when THIS exists...
    Bungie just doesn’t like two-tailed fox it seems...

  • @cooper4787
    @cooper4787 5 днів тому

    I have the apotheosis/star eaters roll. I can damage test tonight if you want the damage comparison

    • @andrewschleiss6269
      @andrewschleiss6269 3 дні тому

      Were you able to test by any chance. Also interested if this would be better on prismatic

    • @cooper4787
      @cooper4787 3 дні тому

      @@andrewschleiss6269 so I've tested it for a couple hours and I've found that running song of flame is definitely not the move. I was able to get about 3.3 on average with song of flame/witherhoard/bns apex predator (probably could've gotten better with explosive light but don't have one), but with nova bomb it was wayyyy better. On average AT LEAST 4mil damage. Nova goes out a lot faster for such a crazy amount of damage, it gives you time to take full advantage of the apotheosis buff. The trick is to not pop transcendence until after your apotheosis buff gone since you don't need the bonus grenade regen until after.
      Here's the build...
      Fragments:
      dominance, courage, dawn, ruin
      Aspects:
      Helion
      Grenade/Melee:
      storm nade/arcane needle
      Super:
      cataclysm
      Weapons:
      witherhoard
      weapon of choice
      apex predator
      Damage rotation is...
      witherhoard, arcane needle, grenade, super, helion, rocket, grenade, rocket, grenade, witherhoard blah blah blah just repeat till apotheosis ends, pop transcendence, melee, then spam grenades. Its crazy how simple it ends up feeling and does such a crazy amount of damage only using two weapons
      sorry that this is a lot, i was really surprised how much more damage it did

    • @cooper4787
      @cooper4787 3 дні тому

      @@andrewschleiss6269 so I've tested it for a couple hours and I've found that running song of flame is definitely not the move. I was able to get about 3.3 on average with song of flame/witherhoard/bns apex predator (probably could've gotten better with explosive light but don't have one), but with nova bomb it was wayyyy better. On average AT LEAST 4mil damage. Nova goes out a lot faster for such a crazy amount of damage, it gives you time to take full advantage of the apotheosis buff. The trick is to not pop transcendence until after your apotheosis buff gone since you don't need the bonus grenade regen until after.
      Here's the build...
      Fragments:
      dominance, courage, dawn, ruin
      Aspects:
      Helion
      Grenade/Melee:
      storm nade/arcane needle
      Super:
      cataclysm
      Weapons:
      witherhoard
      weapon of choice
      apex predator
      Damage rotation is...
      witherhoard, arcane needle, grenade, super, helion, rocket, grenade, rocket, grenade, witherhoard blah blah blah just repeat till apotheosis ends, pop transcendence, melee, then spam grenades. Its crazy how simple it ends up feeling and does such a crazy amount of damage only using two weapons
      sorry that this is a lot, i was really surprised how much more damage it did

    • @cooper4787
      @cooper4787 2 дні тому

      @@andrewschleiss6269 I've typed out a big paragraph of information about the damage and stuff to you multiple times but UA-cam keeps deleting my comment. I'll make a little video and upload it tonight if you wanna watch to see. Don't run song of flame, nova bomb witherhoard and apex I was hitting 4.1 mil

    • @andrewschleiss6269
      @andrewschleiss6269 2 дні тому

      ​@@cooper4787yeah that would be great thanks! Super interested in that combo

  • @destiny2gambitenjoyer990
    @destiny2gambitenjoyer990 6 днів тому

    I love me thy Nasty Meta 😩

  • @life-destiny1196
    @life-destiny1196 6 днів тому

    Got anything for Hazardous Propulsion? Feels like it's thiiiiis close to being the solution Titan players need, but all the labbing has gone to Still Hunt and to Warlocks as far as I know. If there were just a better way to spam Thruster...

    • @life-destiny1196
      @life-destiny1196 5 днів тому +1

      Having thought about it over the past half hour, here's a rough draft:
      Prismatic w/Hazardous Propulsion
      any kinetic + Cloudstrike (or really any 140 sniper) + Hothead (Demo/EL)
      grenade of choice + shield throw + thruster + probably twilight arsenal for super
      fragments: hope for class ability regen, dawn+purpose for uptime on elemental buffs for hope
      get max Hazardous stacks and Transcendence energy during mechanics
      Shield Throw -> Thruster -> rocket -> nade -> rocket -> transcend -> (maybe mtop shot or something if demo timing is a problem) -> shield throw -> nade -> rocket -> super -> nade ->
      at this point rocket buff is probably over, so 9x Cloudstrike to refill Hazardous ->
      thruster is probably up by now? if not keep cloudstriking, maybe keep cycling melees and nades ->
      shield throw -> thruster -> rocket -> nade -> rocket -> manual reload, dump rest of rockets -> dump rest of cloudstrike if it's still DPS somehow
      ---
      There's probably also Reconstruction variants, or even Izi/ALH if you could get it fast enough to dump four rockets in the ten-second window (probably not practical with regular ALH considering rocket handling, but maybe enhanced?). Or Slideshot Crux if you're feeling spicy.
      In a world where you can get the Thruster cooldown low enough, I could even see something like thruster -> two recon rockets -> manual reload -> 3x sniper-> two recon rockets -> manual reload -> 3x sniper -> repeat. I just don't see a way to make that happen right now.

    • @LlamaD2
      @LlamaD2  5 днів тому +1

      Will keep this in mind for when I test titan stuff!

  • @Astrapionte
    @Astrapionte 5 днів тому

    I got euphonium a few days ago… 1,400 kills already 😂😂

  • @brettregan9212
    @brettregan9212 6 днів тому

    Why wouldn’t you throw in melees? Especially when a manual reload would often happen. Those melees are a huge part of the super damage and you’d have more ammo at the end of it

    • @faridronin
      @faridronin 6 днів тому

      Using melee means less grenades. Melee uses the super quite more.

    • @PpTheGreatest
      @PpTheGreatest 5 днів тому

      You get a DPS loss by wasting time with melees.

  • @r1lovin
    @r1lovin 5 днів тому

    Explosive light is better because you get the extra damage on the first rocket.

  • @Arteps1
    @Arteps1 6 днів тому

    This looks awesome. I'd try it out with Wither/Izzy, Wild Style, and Apex.
    Wild Style is really good now since they gave it Reconstruction with a choice between BnS, Surrounded, and Vorpal.

  • @Arvynm
    @Arvynm 6 днів тому

    i have this build in mind but dawn chorus with song and dragon breath as dps is so much fun to use

  • @t00c00l13
    @t00c00l13 6 днів тому

    Bruh didnt even demonstrate the primary variant, had Indebted on instead of bow 😂😂

  • @portionsforcam
    @portionsforcam 6 днів тому +2

    Why not use Bipod + Demo? You don't have to swap to a special GL at all.

    • @gormleypeach5809
      @gormleypeach5809 6 днів тому +6

      This is specifically a dps build, if you put bipod on it will drop your dmg per rocket by 25%. So compared to explosive light it's doing 50% less dmg per rocket which is a lot of dmg loss. Bipod is good for bursting down Champs and stuff but not straight dps, unfortunately

    • @portionsforcam
      @portionsforcam 6 днів тому

      ​@@gormleypeach5809 I get that the rockets do less damage but you're still shooting a rocket instead of swapping to and shooting a special GL.

    • @gormleypeach5809
      @gormleypeach5809 6 днів тому

      ​@portionsforcam Swapping to a gl or sniper during a rotation aren't bad things, it's helping keep up the dps. It's been one of the metas for years now becuase gl's do a lot of dmg per shot. If the rotation isn't something you like than just shoot bipod rockets instead of swapping, but just understand your dps and total dmg is gonna be much worse. In that case just use a different dps method than this one.

  • @panthkhalsa100
    @panthkhalsa100 5 днів тому

    Why everyone come to low light stuff to showoff their build but wont fight anything on new dlc.

  • @LuniNightwind
    @LuniNightwind 6 днів тому

    Instead of reloading first time, why not use a melee to prov radiant? should give time to where demo can proc with your next grenade

    • @animtok
      @animtok 5 днів тому

      Song of flame already buffs your damage by 25% same as radiant

  • @FalloutFan011
    @FalloutFan011 6 днів тому

    As a Hunter main that missed out on being able to ABSOLUTELY ABUSE fusion nade spam on solar warlock
    THANK YOU Llama for showing us this
    Instantly added it to my warlock and saved the loadout ao i can start practicing with the rotation 😅
    Didnt realize you could damage The Witness in certain spots that aren't his crit spot, or is it just THAT big that it extends past the yellow spot we see on their chest?😅

  • @alcapone117
    @alcapone117 5 днів тому

    I'm already stating to get tired of still hunt being in evert single dps rotation

  • @bearlybearablebear
    @bearlybearablebear 6 днів тому +1

    "So, I've come to the Moon, I've got my rockets, I've got my super."
    Did.. uh.. did that Llama just come from the Moon?

  • @weichi_
    @weichi_ 6 днів тому +3

    hey.

    • @weichi_
      @weichi_ 6 днів тому +1

      you can damage test with my star eater/apotheosis 😂 i never really play warlock but got it as my 2nddrop

  • @jakubbercik6965
    @jakubbercik6965 5 днів тому

    My guy, there is absolutely a BIG difference between Explosive light & Bait and Switch... If you're going to do a DPS test the do it properly. B&S has a easy uptime AND better damage, AND you can buff EVERY ROCKET instead of just 7...
    Seriously, I was expecting actual research to be done here.

  • @vd9190
    @vd9190 6 днів тому

    Nice, but how does this fix titans?

  • @thedurn8560
    @thedurn8560 5 днів тому

    You will want bait as mostlikely youll us wither wildstyle apex and wildstyle best perk by far is bait

  • @fallguy6196
    @fallguy6196 5 днів тому

    Ill never understand the constant nerfing of things in a pve game lol. Like who gives a shit we are playing agaisnt ai is it that big of a deal if something is to strong ? Pvp that's a whole different story but who cares we are playing against the ai. Always thought. I understand the whole balancing of things but the entire point of this game is to feel super strong and powerful and they constantly take that away from us.

  • @terra3426
    @terra3426 6 днів тому

    Meanwhile Whisper outputting the same damage without any of the work. Seriously tho whisper slaps. Run solar for heat rises so you can keep shooting and not lose whispered breathing when jumping over the wipe attack. As for the normal witness attacks, I can face tank them with well and 100 resil. Just place the well close to the witness so you only ever get hit by one of the two beams and also so that ads cant kill you.

  • @ItaChu787pr
    @ItaChu787pr 4 дні тому

    No

  • @NoVACorpsGaming
    @NoVACorpsGaming 5 днів тому +1

    Apotheosis drip is a minus to overall dps 😞

  • @MyWoodbeGood
    @MyWoodbeGood День тому

    Only 5 mill 🤢

  • @LRDZw13bL
    @LRDZw13bL 6 днів тому

    Rotations are potentially the worst DPS of all. So thats easy as no for me, for almost every dmg rotation in the game