I love that you have to do the “Dance of Loyalty”…. I grew up in a Ford family, high school shop and working in the small town garage opened my eyes to the Generals Mouse and Rat motors, cost, power per dollar. Grandpa about crapped when I came home with a “55” Chevy truck that I bought for 100$ that I sold the “1950” Ford truck that I sold for 50$ to use the money to buy. I hope he’ll forgive my by the time we meet again in “Hot Rod Heaven”……thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@@kickblake Clearly not. There's some of them in denial that think the Coyote is the best piece of automotive engineering in history or that a 460 can do what a stock bottom end 6.0 Vortec can do. They're running their mouths on the internet all time.
@@ConcussedGaming I mean, the coyote is pretty impressive, but I’ve never heard ford guys call the LS junk. Now the catfish Camaro as a car on the other hand…
Is the Coyote a copy of the LS then since they use a skirted block like the LS? To be frank every pushrod motor made shares features and every mod motor made share features. Who cares?? Enjoy the power!!!
Nope its from the 4.6 ford that came out in 1991 it already had a skirted block. Just like anything in the auto industry if its good its copied. Your right though. Who cares?? Enjoy the power.
I grew up SBC my grandmother swapped me to 351w but after owning every obs Ford possibly I'm now starting ls swapping my old gms I just enjoy the gaskets Dame transmission problem suck again lol
I'm a chevy guy, have been since birth because my dad was Chevy only. But I am a big fan of the 351W EFI not so much the 5.0. Also I'm not big fan of LS, yes I know there's 100's of millions of LS in junkyards to pick from. But I'm against the grain, different than the masses. I like my SBC & BBC. Not saying I won't ever build a LS, I just gotta be different. I'd rather build a 351 W or C, or a BB Mopar
So you can all know the secret to the LS engine. GM had good engineers in house, so GM took the Oldsmobile and Buick engineers to design the GM engine known as the LS engine. The secret is out, enjoy the torque.
I'm old enough to remember WANTING to be a "SBF Guy", but knowing nobody built the 351W because a 4 bbl intake was only available in 1969, and there was no aftermarket.
gm made the 351 awesome. thank you gm. because those faygz at ford were too busy gheying up the world with popping sparkplugz.... instead of manning the fawk up the Windsor family.
I'll also add, in reference to torque not hp. I've had 351W EFI shorted and 4 8 and 5.3 shortbed LS. The 4.8 wasn't even in competition and honestly the 351W felt like it pulled harder than the 5 3 LS I had. All stock except the 351 I had free flowing dual exhaust, reduced % drive on belts 50%. I'm sure the LS made more hp but the Ford felt like it pulled harder and this is from a die hard Chevy guy. I gotta give props. Also my cousin had multiple Mach 1 Mustangs 351C and ALL of the ones he had rocked. Felt better than any LS I've ever been in. Again from a die hard Checy guy.....
Well i don't think its just hp to hp... or brand. LS are so easy to work on! I MEAN Its father and son the sbc or Lt don't evin compare THE EASIEST engine to wrench/rebuild ever! Man i really wish wed go back to cork gaskets said no one.
With comparable heads, on mildish builds, it's close. Things get sketchy in the 700+ hp range OR high rpm builds for the 351w as the main caps start to walk around on stock Windsor blocks. And there is the hang up, an aftermarket block and aftermarket heads add $$$$ to a higher HP Windsor build. The 3" crank journal doesn't help the 351w either. I'm building a 393w for my Torino, the plan is run a stock block, ,Promaxx heads, roller cam for around 6000 rpm peak, and use my old Vortech T-trim to boost my way to 10 seconds flat. I know I'm going to have to pull the pan occasionally to check the caps.
I could not rdmotely bring myself to LS swap my 5.0L 95 gt but I could easily bring myself to LS swap a 2v 4.6 sn95 but that being sdid not a 4v thats a special hand built cobra engine that belongs where it at they are limited availability LS swap dime a dozen.
I am now sacrificing a chicken and dripping the blood onto a Ford logo seeing as how you're part of the vast Chevy-Wing Conspiracy! I knew it! LOL Love ya man -- keep up your work attempting to illuminate the masses!
When, and for how long are you at 2,000 rpm? 😂 most people building these engines for any kind of performance are running at LEAST a 2600 rpm torque converter.. below 2000rpm lmao look at which one idles higher, see the ford idles 50 rpm higher it’s better!! Lmao.. and who gives a shit, the ford is down 150hp above 2000 rpm.. what a stupid comment.
I believe if you are going to compare you should compare apples to apples. Compare a 350 chevy to 351 of same time frame. You want to compare ls chevy do it to the 5.0 coyote or new 7.3. So you compare it least same decade.
@@richardholdener1727 , I wonder how Ford increased the compression ratio from 8.8:1 to 9.2:1. Different pistons perhaps? A 60 horsepower difference between the Cobra R and the Lightning. I wonder what camshaft the Cobra R used and still passed emissions. E303 maybe?
Was a 16 sec car in the quarter mile. You’d get smoked by a new minivan. This fantasy that old hot rods were fast is hilarious. Yeah sure a handful of them were quick.. but 99% were absolute turds.
If the ls is a copy of the windsor why isn't it a turd like the windsor? Why would chevy copy a windsor when the sbc was already better than a windsor?
There are guys that prove you wrong Have you ever heard of the Quarter horse mustang with a N/A 347 with 713 hp. i have seen that car PUT Turbo charged LS and big block Chevys on the trailer. He gives them a head start and overalls them on the drag strip.
The LS is an exact aluminum copy of the Ford Windsor (minus the blue paint) On an LS all you have to do is pop out the Welch plug in the front and a Ford distributor pops right in, just remember to use the Ford oil pump drive shaft and yes the Ford oil pump actually bolts right up to the LS block! You just have to tap the bolt hole to mount it, GM switched to a different style oil pump but the original Ford holes are still there as the LS block is literally a copy of the Ford Windsor 💯
Exact copy yet and LS has a skirted block with 6 bolt mains and a Windsor doesnt… weird doesnt sound like an exact copy to me. Everything you just said was BS😂
I can confirm this. LS drops right into my 1995 Ranger TRUCK. Runs 10s now. Its a burnout machine. Went from 80/20 weight distribution to 90/10. More weight on the front wheels means more steering grip. I can easily beat the local Chargers in every type of race.
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I love that you have to do the “Dance of Loyalty”…. I grew up in a Ford family, high school shop and working in the small town garage opened my eyes to the Generals Mouse and Rat motors, cost, power per dollar. Grandpa about crapped when I came home with a “55” Chevy truck that I bought for 100$ that I sold the “1950” Ford truck that I sold for 50$ to use the money to buy. I hope he’ll forgive my by the time we meet again in “Hot Rod Heaven”……thanks for sharing your knowledge!
They claim the LS is Junk but then say Ford made the LS. So which is it. If you're defending Ford why'd they make the "Junk" LS?
Who’s they? We know the DoD has lifter issues, but everyone does. Ford guys know the LS can make power.
@@kickblake Clearly not. There's some of them in denial that think the Coyote is the best piece of automotive engineering in history or that a 460 can do what a stock bottom end 6.0 Vortec can do. They're running their mouths on the internet all time.
@@ConcussedGaming I mean, the coyote is pretty impressive, but I’ve never heard ford guys call the LS junk.
Now the catfish Camaro as a car on the other hand…
Is the Coyote a copy of the LS then since they use a skirted block like the LS? To be frank every pushrod motor made shares features and every mod motor made share features. Who cares?? Enjoy the power!!!
Nope its from the 4.6 ford that came out in 1991 it already had a skirted block. Just like anything in the auto industry if its good its copied. Your right though. Who cares?? Enjoy the power.
@@mightyarmdon’t forget the FE and Y block. And they are from the 50’s
@@denniskoop8018 and the BBM and Hemi
If you're gonna be Frank, can I still be Kevin?
No.@@kevingray426
I never been beat by anything with a 351 but I’ve been beat by plenty of LS’s
I grew up SBC my grandmother swapped me to 351w but after owning every obs Ford possibly I'm now starting ls swapping my old gms I just enjoy the gaskets Dame transmission problem suck again lol
I’m a ford guy but I like other engines.
I'm a chevy guy, have been since birth because my dad was Chevy only. But I am a big fan of the 351W EFI not so much the 5.0. Also I'm not big fan of LS, yes I know there's 100's of millions of LS in junkyards to pick from. But I'm against the grain, different than the masses. I like my SBC & BBC. Not saying I won't ever build a LS, I just gotta be different. I'd rather build a 351 W or C, or a BB Mopar
So you can all know the secret to the LS engine. GM had good engineers in house, so GM took the Oldsmobile and Buick engineers to design the GM engine known as the LS engine. The secret is out, enjoy the torque.
Sbf till I die lol but I "Respect all engines/platforms"
I'm old enough to remember WANTING to be a "SBF Guy", but knowing nobody built the 351W because a 4 bbl intake was only available in 1969, and there was no aftermarket.
gm made the 351 awesome. thank you gm. because those faygz at ford were too busy gheying up the world with popping sparkplugz.... instead of manning the fawk up the Windsor family.
Richard have/could you do a truck 302/LS build, focus on max low end torque for us truck/off-road guys??
I'm just a car guy. That being said, the gen 3/4 LS is pretty fricken awesome.
And yes I know all the advantages the LS has 6 bolt main, big flowing heads, I get it
I'll also add, in reference to torque not hp. I've had 351W EFI shorted and 4 8 and 5.3 shortbed LS. The 4.8 wasn't even in competition and honestly the 351W felt like it pulled harder than the 5 3 LS I had. All stock except the 351 I had free flowing dual exhaust, reduced % drive on belts 50%. I'm sure the LS made more hp but the Ford felt like it pulled harder and this is from a die hard Chevy guy. I gotta give props. Also my cousin had multiple Mach 1 Mustangs 351C and ALL of the ones he had rocked. Felt better than any LS I've ever been in. Again from a die hard Checy guy.....
351w won't hang at all. Shit I would outrun 351w trucks with a 3502bbl
Well i don't think its just hp to hp... or brand. LS are so easy to work on! I MEAN Its father and son the sbc or Lt don't evin compare THE EASIEST engine to wrench/rebuild ever! Man i really wish wed go back to cork gaskets said no one.
With comparable heads, on mildish builds, it's close. Things get sketchy in the 700+ hp range OR high rpm builds for the 351w as the main caps start to walk around on stock Windsor blocks. And there is the hang up, an aftermarket block and aftermarket heads add $$$$ to a higher HP Windsor build. The 3" crank journal doesn't help the 351w either. I'm building a 393w for my Torino, the plan is run a stock block, ,Promaxx heads, roller cam for around 6000 rpm peak, and use my old Vortech T-trim to boost my way to 10 seconds flat. I know I'm going to have to pull the pan occasionally to check the caps.
I could not rdmotely bring myself to LS swap my 5.0L 95 gt but I could easily bring myself to LS swap a 2v 4.6 sn95 but that being sdid not a 4v thats a special hand built cobra engine that belongs where it at they are limited availability LS swap dime a dozen.
Id love to see the guy who can only afford an 05 Mustang foot the bill for an aluminum windsor build
Well the modern hemi has some things in common with the ls. Is that also a copy of the ford?
The question is how many people are swapping out their LS to swap any 351w? 0️⃣ 🎤 🤷🏻♂️
Gasp a 90° pushrod 2 valve per cylinder v8 looks like other 90° 2 valve per cylinder v8’s. it’s the space aliens fault
I do love your videos but I think your a Chevy lover
I am now sacrificing a chicken and dripping the blood onto a Ford logo seeing as how you're part of the vast Chevy-Wing Conspiracy! I knew it!
LOL
Love ya man -- keep up your work attempting to illuminate the masses!
illuminating is literally the job of the Illuminati
@@richardholdener1727 A confession! That chicken didn't die in vain!!
oh man i cant wait for the comment section to fire up
The 3412 flex fuel injectors are 50# at 60 # of fuel pressure. I believe.
Compare the torque at 2000 rpm between a Windsor and an LS!
When, and for how long are you at 2,000 rpm? 😂 most people building these engines for any kind of performance are running at LEAST a 2600 rpm torque converter.. below 2000rpm lmao look at which one idles higher, see the ford idles 50 rpm higher it’s better!! Lmao.. and who gives a shit, the ford is down 150hp above 2000 rpm.. what a stupid comment.
Never understood why for guys stroke a 302 and still be 4ci short if they're started with a 351
The blocks are a different size and fitment is tight in some chassis
8.2 vs 9.5 deck height, hood clearance issues, and the 8.2 deck is almost 100 lbs lighter
No switching brands a Chevy motor goes in a chevy ford motor goes in a ford a fast piece of shit is still a piece of shit
Can they be the same? Sure. How deep is your wallet?
I believe if you are going to compare you should compare apples to apples. Compare a 350 chevy to 351 of same time frame. You want to compare ls chevy do it to the 5.0 coyote or new 7.3. So you compare it least same decade.
Best comment , totally agree
please see the Coyote vs LS video-maybe before you make comments
He did this vid because somebody said ls was based on 351w
The engine that makes the most power in for the man with the most money to spend!
Some people are real wacko
Why don’t you compare the Boss 351? 351W wasn’t built for performance!
I have Boss 351 vids up
All i know a 351 is straight gas guzzler for the little power it make.
Load it up, it'll get better towing mileage! The mileage difference is determined by the load !
Richard, what about the 95 Cobra R.
those r good
@@richardholdener1727 , I wonder how Ford increased the compression ratio from 8.8:1 to 9.2:1. Different pistons perhaps? A 60 horsepower difference between the Cobra R and the Lightning. I wonder what camshaft the Cobra R used and still passed emissions. E303 maybe?
@@hk45c62man you know what I never thought of that? You’re right!!! I wonder… thinner head gasket. Special hydro roller cam? Interesting….
As far as I'm concerned, the 351 Windsor is the best small block Ford ever made. Of course I had a 69 Cougar XR7 with 351 4 barrel. Ran pretty good.
Was a 16 sec car in the quarter mile. You’d get smoked by a new minivan. This fantasy that old hot rods were fast is hilarious. Yeah sure a handful of them were quick.. but 99% were absolute turds.
@@matt6951
Absolutely. An L88 Corvette was only a 13 second car, unless you could tune and knew some tricks.
13-sec L88?
@@richardholdener1727
Maybe sarcasm. Some ladies who couldn't drive a stick would get smoked by a mini van.
I don’t even think the 351w is as good or strong as a vortec 350 SbC let alone the LS. Brand loyalty Delusions at its finest.
Hey Richard.
Would you love to see a big bang theory on a newer generation coyote.
Could that happen at some point?
It’ll only happen if they become cheap and widely available in the wrecking yard. Or if someone donates one.
Or we all sponsor it. Money gets it done.
If the ls is a copy of the windsor why isn't it a turd like the windsor?
Why would chevy copy a windsor when the sbc was already better than a windsor?
hey man i have a bridge for sale at a great deal just for you.
There are guys that prove you wrong Have you ever heard of the Quarter horse mustang with a N/A 347 with 713 hp. i have seen that car PUT Turbo charged LS and big block Chevys on the trailer. He gives them a head start and overalls them on the drag strip.
The LS is an exact aluminum copy of the Ford Windsor (minus the blue paint) On an LS all you have to do is pop out the Welch plug in the front and a Ford distributor pops right in, just remember to use the Ford oil pump drive shaft and yes the Ford oil pump actually bolts right up to the LS block! You just have to tap the bolt hole to mount it, GM switched to a different style oil pump but the original Ford holes are still there as the LS block is literally a copy of the Ford Windsor 💯
Longer rush rods and shorter rod length in the 351w. Different degree on the configuration.
Exact copy yet and LS has a skirted block with 6 bolt mains and a Windsor doesnt… weird doesnt sound like an exact copy to me. Everything you just said was BS😂
Why isn't the ls a turd like a windsor if it's a copy of it?
I can confirm this. LS drops right into my 1995 Ranger TRUCK. Runs 10s now. Its a burnout machine. Went from 80/20 weight distribution to 90/10. More weight on the front wheels means more steering grip. I can easily beat the local Chargers in every type of race.
@@knowbull5hit590Satire. Google it.