Forget Threadripper! This 128 PCIe Lane EPYC ROME system is my DREAM PC!
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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Today we're taking a look at what COULD be my dream PC if a few things were addressed.
Specs:
AMD Epyc Rome 7402p 24 core 48 thread CPU
Gigabyte MZ32-AR0 single CPU motherboard
256GB of ECC RAM
The Epyc 7402p gives us 48 threads for smashing video production and streaming tasks - BUT most importantly is the 128 available PCIe lanes! I'm an expansion card junkie, so this would allow me to complete my workflow of multiple 4K 60FPS capture cards, 10 gigabit networking, a USB expansion card (since server motherboards have so little onboard I/O), a dedicated graphics card, and PLENTY of NVMe storage. This Gigabyte MZ32-AR0 motherboard lets me hook up everything I want, and then some! Plus, juicy 8-channel memory.
BUT rumor has it, Threadripper's performance is significantly better...
(Updated 11/25 - Threadripper coverage here: ► • THE FUTURE OF STREAMIN... )
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Wendel: How many capture cards do you need?
Adam: Yes!
Basically
CPU Factory: How many cores do you want?
Amd: Yes
The NVIDIA problem could be due to NVIDIA limiting the use of consumer cards in December 2017. They updated their licensing to explicitly ban the use of consumer grade cards in data centers. There is a good chance that they are putting rules in the drivers that prevent their consumer grade cards from running on server grade hardware. I do know it can work, but may possibly take some non-standard modifications to the system or third party drivers.
The windows drivers would work if you had RGB in this thing...
hahahaha!! I never had RGB lights in my computer or fancy glass panels. My FX-8350 is working flawlessly despite not having all that extra stuff. My cooler is a somewhat huge Corsair A70 and has served me well for at least 10 years. I have used it on an old Phenom II X4 965 with a TDP of 140 watts and never had an issue. Now my 8350 has a lower TDP and that just makes cooling it even easier. That is one of those times when older hardware is very useful in such a way. I have thought of water cooling but my case is not really designed for it. It is not a compact case but it would probably get crowded in there with a radiator. I have seen water cooled PCs and it is surprising how small the block is by comparison to my enormous heatsink.
It's an exiting few years.
Realtime raytracer made its first entree.
Audio gear and PC gear has been made affordable that server chips are actually possible to afford without selling 3 cars.
I also like that BeQuiet case. I got the 600 version. The airflow is surprisingly decent without OC for a silent case.
Try disabling "PCI express power management" in the power plan you're using. Let me know that worked (or not)
some motherboards have the "allow above 4g address space" which lets pci-e components use more than 4gb address space. wonder if that would help
I love that padded thermal probe on the M.2 slot. It's in a really generic spot that should pick up the backside of most controller chips, but it's regardless of what it hits or doesn't hit, that's a damn cool feature!
3:50 That is exactly the reason why I switch to AMD back when they launched to X800 series and I've NEVER looked back and never had a BSOD since.
The good ol' Gigabyte blue pcb got me sold!
I have a 7742 epyc. Definitely disable c-state support. The cores take too long to turn off and on to save power. Best to leave them on all the time.
You make me regret my TR build i did.. it didn't leave enough physical room for a 10gbe nic after how picky my datapath e1s was, combined with the radeo VII and livegamer 4k.. Nice setup!
I know this is a really old video. With that said, it seems that if you run proxmox or unraid on bare metal and virtualize everything else, that would solve your problems. If I understand this correctly, you can use the vga port to manage your hypervisor and you are off to the races.
with nowdays ryzen 3950x is it still worth build an epyc 24 cores. i saw
some naples chips quite affordable even tho the spees is max 3ghz. i
wonder if anyone did a dual 24core epyc workstation
Why not use a 2nd extremely budget pc strictly for captured sources and send them to your main pc via ndi? It would far easier and cheaper..... you can have multiple ndi sources
Because everything I need involves direct capture and I need many or all of those sources on the main pc I'm working on
I want to go to something like this for virtualization. As time has gone on I have spent more and more time streaming mu games to whatever screen is available and I dont have the convenience to go to a desktop or office. So Im working harder to move to 100% server based system with a strong home network for remote work and play.
I don't mean to doubt you or Wendell (I have faith in both of you when it comes to computer builds), but that radeon card looks like it's getting 0 airflow... isn't that a blower cooler? it looks like the fan is completely covered by capture card?
The fan is only in the rear of the card completely unobstructed by any card given no capture card is as long as a gpu lmao
@@EposVox sorry, maybe it was just the shooting angles I saw. as i said, I'm well aware that both of you clearly know how to build a proper rig, i didn't mean to be insulting, just thought it looked like the capture card was covering the gpu fan. *shrug* thanks for clarifying.
GPU is in second to last slot with only small card below it, I know typically you'd expect them at the top
Blower coolers have extremely high static pressure, so it wouldn't matter that much anyway. They have always been the best choice for SFF and multi GPU configurations.
Use VGA display port and take your GPU out for getting that option enable in BIOS.
Works amazing if you use a supervisor like VMWare VSphere ESXi.
Hypervisor
I want to this exact motherboard specifically for GPU machine learning.
The Nvidia support is a non-negotiable for me.
Please let me know if you were ever able to or know any way to get consumer Nvidia GPUs to work with this mobo. Thanks
Try booting into the bios thru the onboard without external GPU. See if the option appears. Only other thing I can think of is an older bios.
I would like to see a follow up video
At some point, it's worth considering if your needs could be met with multiple PCs networked together, which may be a lower-cost solution overall.
For the most part it cannot. Tried it, was a worse solution.
Windows 10 / Server 2016 drivers should be pretty much interchangeable
My personal experience (and others out in the internet) show that not all hardware supports Windows 2016 like it does Windows 10, even if they are the "same" kernel. When I tried to run 2016 on a retail MSI board, there was no end of issues with the drivers of the onboard Intel NIC. Even after I got it working using driver hacks, there were issues with connected applications. I switched to Windows 10 and all the issues went away. It all depends upon what the hardware providers decide to support. Next time I want to run Windows server on a retail board, I'll but ASUS since they clearly state support Windows Server support for almost all of their boards.
Hello, Thanks for the interesting video. A question from the perspective of time, because it's been a few years since you posted this video: Did you manage to solve this problem with the ability to use nVidia cards on this motherboard? If so, how?
I'd love something like this for my work. Genome sequencing and assembly is quite taxing. I'd probably go with a different mobo but this thing is like a dream for me.
How about installing Linux as the primary OS, do a GPU passthrough with KVM/VFIO/Qemu and run Windows on it. That should pretty much solve all of your issues if the Mobo and the processor has good IOMMU groups. I'm surprised Wendell hasn't suggested that to you
Turned out just as I predicted.
Try the Asrock Rack EPYCD8-T2/R32 mate.. that board is pretty damn sorted :D , Currently running my 7742 in it with 256GB ram and its stable AF :)
Which would - of course - be the EPYCDB-2T/R32. The "R32" part denotes the bigger BIOS chip required for Rome EPYCs. They simply don't run in the EPYCD8-2T.
Apart from that, it does sport some other distinct features, such as 2 OCilunk ports, 2x 10G with TP ports and an HTML-5 based IPMI chip (no more crappy java-blobs - yay!). No PCIe Gen4 however.
For sure, that would be my first choice as well.
@@virtualinfinity6280 You are correct. It comes with the 32MB ROM bios chip that is needed for Rome support :)
hoi, new here! personally I would run a windows VM and setup a couple scripts to boot windows upon OS load and also shut down the host OS upon windows shutdown.
Great video! In your opinion, if someone is using a 5 year old rig, with say 16 lane Intel i7 (like the 4790k), are looking to upgrade, would something like a 3900X or 3950X be better (20 PCIe lanes), is threadripper the move (60 lanes) if Eypc isn't the move. Personally, I'm going to run 4 NVME drives for my editing and recording needs, a gpu for gaming, a second gpu just for additional monitor outputs, and at least 8 other components like HDDs, SSDs and a capture card and USB add in card. Trying to make sure money is well spent for the next long term build
Socket AM4 won't have enough I/O for you unfortunately so yeah you'll want to go with Threadripper, whether that's the newer stuff on TRX40 (3xxx parts) or the older TR4 (1xxx and 2xxx parts).
Would love to see it in action.... :)
Yea it was sad to see it not actually doing work.
It is a bit weird to see OCP Mezzanine port (with Connector A and B) on a mobo like this. The main advantage of OCP Mezzanine cards is heigh, which is useful in 1U and 2U rack servers. But on a E-ATX style motherboard I find it a bit wasteful in terms of space. Not to mention the 8 or 16 PCIe lanes going to it, can't be broken into other connectors on the brakeboard, like extra U.2 via SlimSAS connectors. Just to get single port 10Gbps it is very wasteful to use OCP Mezzanine card, as 4 lanes of PCIe Gen 3, would be enough. Maybe there are some adapters that break down OCP Mezzanine v2.0 into other connections.
Also very interesting that not all PCIe slots are PCIe Gen4. It looks like Slot 1 and 2 are implemented using PCIe switch, that takes 16 lanes and splits it into 8+16 lanes. Weird, as simply splitting this 16 Gen 4 lanes into 8+8 lanes would give higher overall bandwidth in the end. The routing space can't be a reason, as it will still take 16 lanes in both variants.
If you want to use 8 NVMe drives via SlimSAS links / ports, you sacrifice Slot 7. Also PCIe Gen3. But OCP Mezzanine v2.0 is also PCIe Gen3, so why not sacrifice it instead?
Even the fact that is has only 3 USB 3.0 on the rear IO is weird. As the USB hub chip used actually supports 3 USB 3.1 ports. Yes, they would share a bandwidth to CPU USB HUB controller, but for a keyboard, mouse, audio DAC, or maybe WiFi or other small things it really doesn't matter. Yes, they choose to use weird vertical connector for the 3rd USB port, instead of simply two horizontal one for a total of 4 USB ports on the back.
This isn't an eatx desktop mobo, it's one you can only get in servers lol
I wonder if that's just a Gigabyte-specific issue or if this is an EPYC Rome issue. (i.e. I wonder if Supermicro boards has this same issue)
In linus's video on the 64c unit, he used an Nvidia gpu just fine. Must be gigabyte
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Thank you!
But can it stream 1080p 60FPS x264 PLACEBO PRESET?!?!?!!
Nice Video as always... but seriously.... can it? :D
How much did it cost you on total?
That motherboard is probably worst choice for a workstation?
AsrockRack EPYCD8 or EPYCD8-2T (with 2x 10G nic) seems like a much versatile option since all 7 PCIe slots can fit any length
Hey man, I've learned a ton from your videos. Wanted to ask a question I can't find an answer to. I record software tutorials (CPU 3D rendering) with OBS and have a Threadripper 2990wx, 64gb ram, dual 1080ti machine I built. Recording audio via Heil pr-40 mic > dbx 286s > scarlett 2i4 gen 2 > PC via USB. I've followed all PC optimization tutorials, worked with focusrite support for over a month, had my computer hardware tested at microcenter and followed all your tutorials for recording/bit rates for OBS. Still, when I record 1440p tutorials, I get random crackling audio. It's inconsistent and can't be reproduced every time but annoying since it nearly ruins a 1hr recording session. I have OBS set to high priority and even have my render program (that I'm recording a tutorial in) only accessing 40% of my CPU.
My best guess is that it may simply be due to latency. While the high core-count of my CPU is great for rendering, is the clock rate simply not fast enough to handle the A/V recording? I haven't seemed to had issues recording at 1080p. Would you recommend building a system with fewer cores but a faster CPU just for recording content, then have the other machine for rendering workload?
Sorry for the long question. Sure you get more comments than you can respond to, but I'm out of ideas and think you know more about this than anyone else. Hoping for your two cents. Thanks for the videos!
It's their drivers. My i5 system has the same issue. Something on way the drivers handles power management or something like that. You're better off with a different interface. (2i2 second generation user)
Yep very common Focusrite + Windows problem.
@@EposVox Thanks for chiming in, so you'd second trying a different interface? Cheers!
The behringer Euphoria stuff is good. UMC22 or 204hd
@@EposVox Thanks a million!
Ultimately it is about bang per buck;
How about 1st gen EPyC but Dual CPU? Those 32c/64t CPUs are getting "cheap" on eBay. I got a 7551 on one of our servers w/ 2x10Gbps, it's quite sweet :)
Gonna do some research if i could turn a 1st gen EPyC system into a workstation ... mainly need overclocking features, non-ecc ram is a pipe dream with EPyC tho. But imagine, even say Dual 8c + 16ch of RAM + 16x Gen3 NVMe in RAID ^_^ That'd be a sweet workstation, which also could game (if you run Linux with AMD GPU) :P
if you cant put Nvidia RTX GPU's then just run a bunch of Radeon 5700xt's in SLI
Thanks for this video. The only reason why I haven't gone with Epyc for my home server is the lack of off the shelf motherboards that support PCI-E 4.0. All of the ones I can buy from Newegg, etc are still last gen 3.0. Where did you and Wendel get this motherboard? Can you even buy this board off the web or do you have to work with a sales rep/enterprise vendor?
great system. it seems i cannot make the pcie_7 to work with an rtx card! i cannot find anything in bios either!
The Enermax AIO Cooler will degrade over time (couple of months). It will corrode internally and will not cool anymore. You will notice that your CPU temps will go very high even in idle. Had two of those, both suffered the same problem.
I am aware
Windows Server 2019 Datacenter is far better than Windows 10 less clutter no cortana no bs i don't even touch Windows 10 myself even for laptops i run Windows Server no matter what it takes to get drivers to work (when the manufacturer blocks install on purpose), you can get cheap keys on ebay that work fine and if you're going with amd might as well go with a radeon pro or quadro for multi-nvenc support, either way threadripper also supports ecc ram and a lot of the good stuff from epyc but if you're already looking at epyc might as well go all in workstation, if it makes you money and you want stability for the long-term.
Can these epyc chips be overclocked with that bios hack as per the first generation ones?
I'm looking into rebuilding 2 old towers with EPYC Rome processors, but have a hard time to find any motherboard. I want cobber 10Gbit, at least 3 pic 16 slot, at least 1 m2. Prefer EPYC due to the memory capacity, 8 channel memory, for the work I want to go (not gaming).
I think I would at least try to take the gpu out, use onboard graphics, bios disable onboard graphics & then put the gpu back in on next boot..
Could you show the u.2 breakout cables? How they work?
Also the termistor under the NVM M.2 slot that is on a flexible sponge to make it touch nvme driver and sense temperature well is genius. Never seen it on Mobo before.
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@@EposVox It was a joke
Ok... Impressive that a 5700xt can match or beat a 2080 in export times.
Pretty sure that when it comes to render/export, it's mostly the CPU which is involved...
It also can curb stomp a 2080 in forza horizon 4. Proper implementation of the hardware leads to crazy ass performance
Does this motherboard have any engine boost or overclock and core optimizer option in bios?
Love ur video ❤❤❤. I'm surprised that you are be able to install regular Radeon GPU (non server/Quadro GPU) on epyc cpu. How are you able to do that? Thanks 😊👍
Didn’t have to do anything special. Works like any other card
@@EposVox super thanks for information 🙏❤️
I know a nonprofit that would LOVE this thing...
So this has integrated graphics?
Why capture directly from cameras, don't they typically record video locally that can be downloaded?
Streaming, recording alongside screen capture, etc.
:) Does ReLive aka H.264 encoding on Navi work again?
any issues with win10 desktop os ?
Since you have that 5700xt.
How about a Nvidia vs AMD GPU for Streaming Battle
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Thanks!
Where can i get the ocp mezzanine card
Dude you should get yourself a red flannel shirt to go with that beard. Go Brawny Man style.
Yes. That's all.
Hey can you and Wind-Dell build the cheapest Stream PC possible for black friday? :) just an idea for the channel
There is a $400 streaming setup on UA-cam :)
Hi, I would like to know what chair are you using...
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How much power does the PSU have?
I don't really understand why user need to compare saving 1 or 2 minutes of a 10 min render
build a PC that works.... so you can edit timeline . and move it to a 2nd pc to render so you can keep working
I am sure your video would look same on $10,000 pc vs $2000 pc.
Because time is money and dual PC rendering setups are way more complex than they sound, with plugins, fonts, assets, etc. syncing over. More power draw, space, heat. But also render times correlate to timeline performance as well. And as clearly stated, this configuration as-is doesn't "work". So it's not the solution. I literally spent this whole video talking about PCIe lanes and my needs that had nothing to do with render times lol
Dream is right. A whole new MB and RAM? Too expensive for me. I looked at the prebuilt mb and cpu combos on newegg and the price for server grade hardware is too high.
I'm going to try the 3950X in a B450
I know a 3900 works.
Rtx 3090 14 gpus of them can fit in it
Well no
the fact that none of the card are screws in..... pisses me off.
I mean, they were very securely held in place by friction and I was swapping them around. Wasteful to screw in
He seems touched.
Tencent squeezed a extra 35% out of the EPYC.
Wat
Hmmm. When I read the Chinese News it sounded like they got 35% increase with OC. This English News says 35% increase over their Intel servers.
www.kitguru.net/tech-news/james-dawson/tencent-will-be-using-amd-epyc-rome-processors-in-new-star-lake-cloud-server/
Also the primary gpu should be in the top slot I think.
Definitely try moving the gpu to the top slot. I had major problems in the other slots.
GPU physically cannot fit in the top slot. Also all but the bottom is PCIe 4.0, whereas Nvidia GPUs are 3.0 and bottom-most slot is only 3.0 slot. Can't manage per-slot like on consumer boards.
EposVox try the bottom slot then... I’m on a super micro board, all slots are 3.0. Maybe the option to turn off vga graphics will show up when the gpu is in the right slot... maybe it doesn’t matter on gigabyte board. I was surprised that it mattered on super micro board.
Or maybe you already have it in the bottom slot🤷♂️. Thanks for the video and good luck
I did try the bottom slot..
most gamers dont understand work stations.
Something I try to educate people on regularly on my channel. This is for a workstation, not a gaming PC.
Just don't use Windows for high performance computing - my opinion.
Why is the PSU fan facing upwards? Shouldn't it be downwards for separate airflow?
because it doesn't matter in this instance?
@@EposVox Oh, I'm just curious... I'm not familiar with server hardware, and I wasn't sure if there was a specific reason for it.. i.e. like their oddly shaped server PSUs. But thanks for the quick response.
There's not a ton of airflow happening as it's set up, and this board is designed for FULL ON AIRFLOW with how crazy insane server chassis are, minimal VRM heatsinks, etc. so if anything having something else pull air around is only good in this instance.
hackintosh it
thumbs up
You RAM is not install the right way
Yes it is
@@EposVox I think what they might have been indicating is in the video, there are only 4 channels used when the platform and cpu support 8 channels. That's leaving memory bandwidth unused. But i have no idea how it would impact video rendering tasks. My guess, not much.
wrgg
your psu is upside down
Nah
lol, windows ... Run linux on that beast!
Nothing I do is supported in Linux. So no.
At least change the title of the video
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