But can you be real friends with a Nazi? If my best friend or my sister became a nazi that would be a deal breaker for me. Big time. But they would never be that, nor I. If my uncle or a relative, or great grandfather was a German SS, or camp commandant, I would not put his framed military picture on my wall. It is a forever shame.
For sure, totally practical. If only the world had befriended the Germans, none of this would have happened. 🙄If you're ever under attack, just tell your attacker that you want to be his friend. That is sure to end the abuse. All those Jews sent to the gas chambers could have prevented their deaths by making friends with their captors. I hope you can see how stupid, and not important, that "advice" is now. The ONLY reason that woman said that, is because its the only way she could cope with what she went through. But it is PROFOUNDLY stupid to believe it is a realistic way to defeat an enemy.
@cal4207 so right you are. The 2 founders sold it off, but control the majority votes within the shareholders. Both these guys share something in common. I already knew the similarity and thought: oh how ironic😆. Google and Wiki them up if you're curious.
@@davidleonard1813. Google owns YT, and monetized absolutely everything, included the voices of those using Google and Google-powered devices. Get smart sharpish.
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Thanks for the video. Such materials should always be public
... good thing the Jews finally learned the only thing that stops genocide is FORCE OF ARMS applied IMMEDIATELY ... they've stopped turning the other cheek and give as good or better than they get ... the 2024 Israeli Jew is a different person than the passive Jews of the Nazi era ... ask Hamas if you don't thinks so
@@HassanRaza-zq4setypical Muslim who won’t accept accountability and want to resort to whatboutery. Why are you all like this? You are just another disgrace to humanity
Brilliant documentary. This is one of the best I've seen on the subject of the Holocaust and the prosecution of war criminals. The legal and moral fine tuning here leaves room for questions and ambiguity. I'll have these people on my mind for a long time. Thank you so very much for this posting.
As long as there are people who have no business being in power, but are greedy and have the connections and the means and opportunities to be in power, There will be true evil. When great power is put in the wrong hands.... terrible things happen that shouldn't ever happen
We must learn from the past so we dont repeat it. The irony? Eventually the past is forgotten and to this day we still have slaves, genocides, rapes, mass bombings, and dictators that control entire countries where the people are slaves and can;t even leave if they want to. The truth is humans are sick and will continute this trend until the end of time. Only today, the bombs are bigger, the deaths more brutal, and the world would rather film someone getting stabbed to death then try to save them. Humans, in the end, just can't kick the own thing that they desire the most......Power.
@@Zeus-kj7nn 99% of those against "woke shit" say the Holocaust NEVER HAPPENED. Not only are they against teaching students about this horrific period in history, they're against teaching about slavery and other atrocities perpetuated against humans since the beginning of civilization. We can't pick and choose or whitewash what is taught. Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it. Look what's happening in the world today.
All the staff of the death camps knew what was happening. People talk, to their families, to their friends, to their colleagues. Especially when under stress. They all knew.
How could they not know. When you receive train loads of Jews, half of them sent in a certain direction and never seen again. They all knew the murders were taking place. All of them.
it wasn't well into 1942 whispers here and there started in germany regarding large camps. before that tales had been told by army and SS personnel on leave of einsatzgruppen, round-ups and deportations, slaughters. yes, they all knew.
Actually, they nazis tried to hide what they were doing, which is more than what's happening now that Germany itself supports. The world is on its head now
This isn't about punishing the 90-year-old for what he did when he was 20. Pretty sure he isn't going to do it again. It's about deterring others from doing the same thing.
Yeah that's a nice thought but its not going to happen Genocide is as human as eating or drinking. Its not right but it'll never be a thing of the past. The only thing that made the holocaust unique was the industrialization of genocide but after the industrial revolution that was bound to happen. Also I find it pretty hypocritical that the German State is punishing him for actions he carried out under direction of the German State. If anyone should be giving him a trial it should be Poland or maybe Israel or a tribunal of both.
@@bigvinnie3 "The German State" of the mid 20th Century is no more the German State" of today than the Italy of today is still the Roman Empire of the past.
That horrible old woman! My grandfather was part of the troops who liberated Dachau. I have his photo album. To deny that this atrocity didn't happen is a crime against humanity in and of itself.
Yeah considering that the descendants of the "survivors" are now the ones committing atrocities! They've turned into the very thing that their ancestors despised.
In the movie Shoah, Lantzmann interviewed a guy who drove the trains from Malkinia station to the Trablinka camp. He was haunted by it. In fact, his picture is on the box the DVDs cake in. He's in the engine of a train, looking back, and you can see that in his mind, he can see the cattle cars.
And what would happen if they refused? It's a romantic notion to think we would be a hero, but realistically many had little option other than to go along with it.
Thousands were let go at the time, and others escaped. What of the death squads, camps guards and many others. Nuremberg was limited or the trials would have gone on for years. This man wanted to tell the truth so history would not be forgotten.
The decision to prosecute him at that age was wrong. I say that, because they would never have heard of Oskar Groning, if it wasn't for him deciding to start talking about his experiences at Auschwitz. The reason he decided to start talking about them, was because he heard people stating that the holocaust never happened. That there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz. He had of course been there. So he took the step that extremely few members of the SS who worked in the concentration camps took. That is to openly talk of their experiences there. He should have been commended for this decision, to counter the words of the deniers. Instead, they went after him. Even though there is proof that he didn't want to work in the camp, and had put in for a transfer to the front. Which was denied. I find this disgusting. He didn't kill anyone personally. He didn't want to be there. He put in for a transfer. People didn't volunteer to work in the extermination camps. You were sent there, under orders. Sure, some of them turned into complete monsters when they got there. These people should have been tried for their crimes. Admin clerks should not have.
Yeah so if you murder someone and get away with it for many years - you shouldn't be then prosecuted if you then come out and say "Hang on I killed that person, don't say they weren't murdered because I will tell you about my reasoning". This is pretty much what you are saying... his age has nothing to do with it... plenty of people that age were taken to that camp and instantly murdered.
He admitted he took part in selection duty at the train ramp.. An absolute admission of guilt for crimes against humanity - At the time Oskar came forward, there was no law in Germany to prosecute suspected Nazis for being an accessory to the Holocaust without any proof of personal responsibility for crimes committed. That came after the Demjanjuk trial. Oskar may have never come forward if he had known this could lead to his prosecution (years later).
It’s a difficult topic - I partly agree with the sentiment that prosecuting him after he voluntarily came forward and spoke about his experiences to silence holocaust deniers is difficult. Without such insights we will never truly learn what moves people to do or be part of unthinkable atrocities. To simply brand them as pure evil is too easy and creates a them and us mentality rather than an understanding that under certain circumstances a lot of people may be susceptible to similar powers of persuasion and become instrumentalists to commit atrocities. Without people like Oskar Gröning openly talking about his motives we will not learn and be able to truly prevent history repeating itself. As for his guilt - this is where things become more difficult. Being a part of this machinery and taking part in selections makes him an accomplice which should be punished - his guilt needs to be considered within the context of his situation - to what extent was he brainwashed by propaganda, under duress by orders, etc I don’t agree with people hiding behind orders but that also means they have a degree of freedom to make choices and this freedom became less and less as the war went on due to the fanaticism of many people issuing the orders and death sentences for not following orders. He needs to be held accountable for his actions - no matter what age he is but we need to be careful to not make people like him a stand in for all atrocities committed.
If I had worked at a death camp at the most menial job, I would have been guilty of murder "He didnt want to be there". He was there. He wanted to be there. He knew he was taking part in a death camp. He was sure that Germany was going to triumph, so it would not matter. Fact is the whole German nation was guilty. They listened to Hitler make these rants about the Jews since the 30s. They all went to elementary schools where they were taught that significant portions of their own population were basically less than animals. All they had to do is look at a thousand years of German history to know what was going to happen. Yet when the elections came, basically everyone voted for Hitler. In Austria when the election came, 95% voted for Hitler Sadly, even the Mennonites of Germany enthusiastically supported Hitler. When you see something like that, you realize that all is lost, and the nation has fallen into the abyss We all can SO easily be led like lambs to the slaughter.
During *The Zero Years in post war NAZI GERMANY, the Civilian Population "saw" themselves as VICTIMS. NOT the six million of the Jewish Race who had met their respective premature deaths, in NAZI GERMAN Concentration Camps. *The Zero Years 1945-1949 when Germany did not have an elected Reichstag.
7:41 the things this man says about not learning about the war as a child seems to contradict what I learned about Denazification. It would be highly unlikely for someone who went to school in post-war Germany to have avoided learning about World War II and the Holocaust. After the war, the Allied powers implemented a comprehensive re-education program in Germany. This included the inclusion of the causes and consequences of totalitarianism in school curricula and a policy of ensuring that the Nazi period remained firmly in the German collective memory
If he lived in the East Germany, then indeed there was no such thing as denazification. And probably school programs were quite different from the West
Is it not a travesty of justice to bring back upon the men of Germany, the consequences of their evils,......... BUT NOT the females, who were just as much an intricate part of the NAZI HOLOCAUST
He was referring to not learning in school about WWI, not WWII. Since he worked in a concentration camp during WWII, he would not normally have been in school after WWII.
If the defence is that “he’s a different person”, where do we draw the line? If I did something ten years ago, am I different person now? How about five years? It’s a slippery slope I don’t want to go down. We can’t ignore justice in favor of mercy.
The very worst crime against humanity . The very best documentary on UA-cam. *Edit- not related to this subject but i have Erich Kempkas mother of pearl cut throat razor still in its cardboard sleeve. Retrieved by my Grandad in Berlin May 1945. Kempka was Hitlers driver*
Wow that's something Difficult to know hiw to feel about that. Still after all this time. God Bless your family , especially yor Grand- father and greetings from the UK 🇬🇧 .
Il n’ y a pas pire crimes que celui des juifs . Regardez lybie Syrie Irak Palestine Ukraine et j’ en passe un crimes reste un crime . Ceux qu’ il faut punir sont le monde de la finance car les guerres font vivre ces gens .
@paperchain1239 Difficult one really, it's a Nazi souvenir. Its not something I put on display. It's more a memory of my Grandad who died when I was 8 yrs old. BTW, I'm from the UK originally..
I read about Kempka and he was one of a small handful of people Hitler trusted most. He was in the bunker at the end of Hitlers and Browns life and seen them both dead. That's when I hung up that conspiracy t
Hearing him speak a number of years ago was a great moment in my life. He was a fine man with integrity that is unmatched By any others. I wonder what he would have to say about the current situation because he was so incredibly honest about the horror that men commit against each other
I remember reading about this in the news and my view then was “why do this now to a 93 year old when it should of been done back then” I still feel that no accountability back then is a huge failing but i understand why survivors still need some justice. Why was a 93 year old able to live to such a great age when that was denied to millions. We should never forget, all the victims should be remembered for centuries and those perpetrators that are still alive today should face some punishment.
I believe that this man, Oskar Groning, at the end of his life tried to do what he could and was well prepared to be an example of indisputable testimony in the face of sickening Holocaust deniers everywhere - he did the only thing he could and for at least that, he deserves a measure of recognition for trying to do the right thing finally. Forgiveness belongs to the person who gives it to choose whether they feel like they want to give it, it is an individual thing and should therefore not be criticised by those who choose not to give it. Each person's business is their own entirely when it comes to the matter of forgiveness.
I read the page on this man on Google. What a fools waste of time to try jail him in his nineties. And that a man who had rehabilitated himself long before. They let the skunks go and pounce on a scapegoat. The very conviction or our agreement to this says EVERYTHING about our haughty, lordly, and unforgiving hypocrisy!
Forgiveness is not real. It’s a religious construct designed to control people, not just their actions but their thoughts. People need time to work through their hurts, no amount of so called ‘forgiveness’ can affect that process. The absurdity of the righteous and the religious. 😅
@@Roz-y2d that's absurd...!!! Forgiveness is FAR from "a religious construct" and it IS VERY REAL...!!! Plenty of non religious people believe in forgiveness - but sure what the heck; you feel free to wallow in your own self imposed pit of hatred and indignation about how and what others choose to believe or not believe - NONE OF WHICH IS ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS REGARDLESS....!!!! 🙄🤦
A very well done documentary. It heightens the belief that the moral and legal questions raised are, basically, unanswerable. There are almost unlimited nuances to each person's culpability, there is no "one size fits all" definition. We can agree that such horrors that were brought to life under the Nazis should indeed happen "never again", but the sad reality of human existence is that they have before, they have since, and they will again in the future. That is our nature, that is what we are. That isn't a particularly inspiring thought, as realistic as it might be.
So horrible. I could not study this in history when I was in high school. I am 62 yo and now can study the horrible history and I feel so ashamed that I couldn't study it in my teens ...but so many that age had to actually go through this! I will always from now on fight against these horrible actions!
“Vengeance is not our goal, nor do we seek merely a just retribution. We ask this court to affirm by international penal action, man’s right to live in peace and dignity, regardless of his race or creed. The case we present is a plea of humanity to law.”- Benjamin Ferencz, Opening Statement before the Nuremberg Military Tribunal, 1947. Justice has been served, many times on the people involved, wrote about for the world to know from every angle. To go after old men today is no longer in the interest of justice but is solely in the interest of vengeance.
Everyone who is complaining about the adds, it’s not UA-cam’s fault it’s the person that uploaded its fault, they are the ones that decide how many adds a video has - they are the one trying to make money from it. (From someone who use to earn money on UA-cam)
@@RideAcrossTheRiver i’m positive that you can choose where you want to place the ads if your account is at a certain level and monetized. But if you don’t place the ads, then I would imagine that UA-cam uses an algorithm to place the ads at strategic points where there is heightened attention. (you can look at the analytics on a video and see the frequency of views throughout the duration of a video). But most of the time you’ll notice that the UA-cam creator places the ads themselves right on cliffhangers.
It's being repeated on college campuses today where so called protesters are actively promoting the extermination of the Jews. This evil is still alive and well. The term "From the river to the Sea" means the extermination of the Jews. From the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. Our youth have been indoctrinated in the same evil as what happened in Nazi Germany.
This is something all ppl should watch. You would think after such atrocities we as a species would learn yet here we are in 2024 watching the beginnings of it unfolding in America
My opinion is pretty biased but I genuinely believe it’s because the German police were afraid of the optics of them arresting refugees so they found this old man and more or less sacrificed him to show they still aren’t nazis.
Concerning Groning case and his participation in the deaths. Merely a question here, wouldn't anyone within the camp be considered a participant. For instance, were the Locomotive engineers that brought victims in considered for trial? Surely they knew. You could put local town civilians and almost anyone who brought or took away supplies to keep the camp running of not doing anything..
At the time Oskar came forward, there was no law in Germany to prosecute suspected Nazis for being an accessory to the Holocaust without any proof of personal responsibly for crimes committed. That came after the Demjanjuk trial. Oskar may have never come forward if he had known this could lead to his prosecution (years later).
He was charged for the simple fact of his being alive. What will they do when there's no one left alive who was born before 8 May 1945? For a clue: there are more holocaused suhvivahs now than there were 20 years' ago.
51:50 - the prick saying garrison responsible for the slave labour end of things could not have known about the extermination "sections" of the camp. pardon me but bull$h1t! those at the camp knew exactly what happened and at the time, too. spare me that argument. of course the boys shot the breeze in the barracks, and units as small as 5-man squads would have been routinely assigned tasks all over the camp to rotate "employees" throughout the entire establishment. it was operated as a business by the look of the evidence and the testimony (face it, auschwitz had accountants for a reason...). this one's argument that groning "could not have known of the exterminations... he worked in a whole different sub-system - slave labour" is so contrived it hurts. scraping the bottom of the critical thinking septic tank, frankly, and it just doesn't wash.
@@DrGarri The suffering in this life is solely due to the evil's of our species. We have a choice to be good or evil no matter what ideology you belive in
@@DrGarri The suffering, as you say, is solely attributed to that of our own species, who have proven that there is little in our species worth saving.
Thought provoking, well-balanced and presented. Unfortunately as a world, we cannot always reach a verdict. As human beings, all we can do is manage our own motivations. True justice, sadly is unattainable. It doesn't really exist.
@@markminter3960 Mercy fortunately does. One of the higher of human graces. Attainable, practicable and measurable. However TRUE justice sadly, is unrealistic.
However if you have ever seen The Grey Zone then I recommend you hear the final comment during the execution of the Sonderkommando who are being executed. One says to another that it doesn't matter because they did something by knocking off a few SS and destroying a crematorium. Surely this is some form of justice. It didn't matter that they were shot as men who weren't free but they got their justice in their own small way. Beautiful acting and dialogue based on a real event. That's justice surely?
I don't feel sympathy for him. But at 90, the important thing is to get his recollections public, see if he has regrets or remorse, publicize his story. First time I have ever agreed with Allan D.
I was completely shocked, and disheartened, by the statistics in this documentary. Most of the Nazi murderers were tried but served 3 or 4 years of prison time! This is only the few that were, actually, tried and found guilty. Germany has a lot of soul searching to do with itself. That is one issue I have with European countries, they do not seem to prosecute criminals. They just seem to give them light sentences, no death penalty either. I am sure people will disagree with my American way of thinking, but I do not regret posting my views on this.
Part of it is that, as horrible as the speech that US Nazi supporters spew is, most of it is protected by the 1st amendment of our constitution. The laws in Germany are simply different than those in the US. Just like the US, the law does not protect ALL speech. In Germany, there are specific laws prohibiting Nazi propaganda. I am not sure if it is still this way, but back when the video game Wolfenstein came out, the Nazi flag was not allowed to be shown in the game (I believe is is only allowed to be displayed in historical references such as history books or museums). Additionally, Germans teach about WW2 and the Holocaust very differently than the US does. I am not a German citizen, but I have watched several documentaries about how they teach about the holocaust there and it is seems like they places more emphasis on moral education, encouraging students to reflect on the moral implications of historical events and the importance of standing up against injustice. I have even seen videos showing the students doing a sort of "role-playing" exercises which helps promote empathy, compassion, and understanding for what the different groups went through. I seem to remember something similar being tried in a US class not long ago and the parents all complained and there was a lot of outrage over it. I don't know much about that event, but from what I understand, in Germany the exercises are designed to be respectful and sensitive to the experiences of those who lived through the events. The constitution of the US was always intended to be updated over time, however this hasn't happened in over 32 years, which is amazing since the way technology has changed the world over the last 32 years has been massive. Our constitution still to this day does not consider men and women as equals. It wasn't until 1920 that women gained the right to vote. Our original constitution considered a black individual as 3/5 a human. The 14th Amendment (1870) further clarified that citizenship and equal protection under the law applied to all individuals, regardless of race. Many people don't know this, but black men in the US gained the right to vote before white women. Needless to say, our constitution is flawed in many ways yet our political leaders do little to try and rectify that.
Because in America u have the right to belive and say whatever u like regardless if it's dumb or not as long as ur not infringing on someone else's rights u can hate whomever or love whomever or just plain don't give a crap
I remember Eva Kor, she courageous plead for justice but also for forgiveness During the Oscar Groning trial she embraced him. Nowadays I am sad reading about war in Ukrain and western businessman still try to trade with Russia and supporting the war economy causing many victims. according to me these are war criminals too
I think l understand her forgiveness..it was ethier that or insanity..lt's impossible to imagine / accept what humans had done to other humans for no reason...The only thing left is forgiveness or one would become insane, themselves 😢
Tom Bower's books, "Blind Eye to Murder" [post-war cover-up of widespread, generalised atrocities in Europe, done mostly by Nazis] and another, "Paperclip Conspiracy", examined selection of those guilty of war crimes but not prosecuted, being deemed useful to the USA.
His conviction is not punitive. It’s to record the history correctly- to die named as the man who helped murder 300,000 people. He doesn’t deserve to die without his name tied to his actions.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed the same way. “To date, the Prosecutor has opened investigations in fourteen situations: Afghanistan; Burundi; two in the Central African Republic; Côte d'Ivoire; Darfur, Sudan; the Democratic Republic of the Congo; Georgia; Kenya; Libya; Mali; Uganda; Bangladesh/Myanmar, Palestine and Venezuela.[163][164] Additionally, the Office of the Prosecutor is conducting preliminary examinations in six situations: Colombia; Guinea; Nigeria; the Philippines; Ukraine and Bolivia.[165] The Court's Pre-Trial Chambers have publicly indicted 54 people. Proceedings against 22 are ongoing: 17 are at large as fugitives and five are on trial. Proceedings against 32 have been completed: two are serving sentences, seven have finished sentences, four have been acquitted, seven have had the charges against them dismissed, four have had the charges against them withdrawn, and eight have died before the conclusion of the proceedings against them.” Google ‘International Criminal Court’
In England in 2010 the son of an ss soldier, told me that after his late father died, his fathers best friend asked to see him, he told me that they met in elderly mans home and was invited into his office, in the office they were surrounded by nazi memorabilia including the mans ss uniform, he was totally astonished, he told my friend much of his and his fathers past including that they belonged to a secretive unit that were never tattooed with the ss numbers on there scalps and that they were captured by the russians and had to wait in a queue to have there heads shaved, if the tattoos were on there heads they were immediatly shot through the head, because neither of them had the normal tattoos they survived death. Many families of these people must have been indoctrinated with nazi doctrine, i wonder how many families secretly have these doctines still today? All over the world.
From what I can gather, this man Gruning was not an accountant at all. He was eather a baggage-checker chrged with the "duty" of going through the luggagee of the victims and removing whatever valuables he found there. These valuables would then used either to reward the camp guards or sent to some sort of Nazi headquarters benefit the "Reich." Nothing to do with accounting. This guy seems to have had no training or experience as an account. He was a low-level manual laborer. Probably there was an accountant who worked at Auchwitz. But this jerk wasn't him.
I don't care what age he was, if I had been there when he told the story about the baby in the suitcase I would have taken matters into my own hands. I am not Jewish, I am simply human !!
... Groning never said he was sorry ... because he WASN'T ... he would without a seconds hesitation do the very same things again and of course he would have dashed the babies head against the wall ... not a smidgen of humanity or remorse in the man
I remember watching the BBC with Groening saying that he came out of the shadow of anonymity to confront Holocaust deniers. I thought that that was brave of him. Germany had failed in the past to put minor players such as him on trial in the past and now it's too little too late. He was a small cog but he was definitely an accessory to mass murder. Apparently he cleared away suitcases and belongings of previous arrivals in order to deceive the people on the next train. The new arrivals, many photos show and survivors testimony gives us a clear picture that to the new arrivals at Birkenau that it was intimidating and frightening. The wise and astute among them knew what was going on but the Camp staff attempted to keep up some kind of deception and Groening admitted to taking part in that. He could've be also charged with the administration of loot and plunder. He was also nearly caught by the SS for corruption. In his defense. He asked twice for transfer and this was granted the second time. I believe that he did feel personal guilt for his part in the machinery of mass murder.
If someone is looking for another SS man to bring to justice in Canada, just call Justin Trudeau. He brought one in to parliament last year and gave him a standing ovation.
*As for one Hans-Jürgen Brennecke in this documentary who spoke about Nazis as, 'our right wing people', i.e., [current protestors/deniers]; is factually incorrect as Nazi's were and are National Socialists--which is as far left as it gets.*
And i tell you , i am from Warsaw from the area of juwisch getto, where in childhood i saw juwisch people had been visiting the place of marthyrology. Despite i am from a family with problems i don't remember there was "a hate" against juwisch people,there was always talking about juwisch people that they will want the houses where already lived polish people for me normal. There was a case for discussion.That was no hate like i feel in Switzerland against polish people. I never could understood why they didn't want the visit of juwisch people. Belive me i never felt a hate, such hate despite i met in my life good and bad polish people.
🔴 Unfortunately and truly sadly, his idea/believe regarding the blood of the poor little children, is absolutely nonsense! In other words, if someone takes children (new borns) from example France and Germany and switch them, when they grow older, they won't even be aware that they are of another country (blood, in context). So sadly, millions of poor children (babies), were killed absolutely for nothing!!! 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Peter Singer is wrong. If I at 23 I murder a child am I still guilty of a crime at 93? Of course I am and I should be punished as if I was still 23. No pardon or excuse, not even ill health. Justice must be done.
I have jumped into the rabbit hole that is the Holocaust and each video or documentary that I watch makes me that much angrier over the unnecessary killing of so many innocent lives.
A woman forgives, and those bitter people who can not forgive call her mentally unstable. What good does it do to convict a mere accountant? All the big fish have escaped.
The United States knew exactly what was happening. From 1933 to 1941 they lent money to the big man and supplied parts and materials. The reason the US sent troops in 1944 was to stop the short man from taking over all of Europe. Of course, the allied war crimes needed to be covered up from the public, and that called for the Pentagon office of psy ops, to work the media channels and bullhorn a narrative.
You can forgive anyone but it doesn't mean they don't have to suffer the consequences of there actions no matter how apologetic someone is cuz most of the people that caught committing horrible crimes become extremely apologetic when standing in front the judge with your life or freedom in his hands b, so now it's become a tactic for people to say I'm sorry yes I did it to get some Mercy from the judge they aren't sorry for actions so it's hard to tell for sure how someone feels about things they did in the past they aren't sorry before they get caught and arrested standing in front of a judge
Terrible things are happening in Ghasa ,i am not from Israel and i am not a Jew , even very terrible but Hamas is not totally innocent and let us keep one thing at its place. The Holocaust killed over 6 million men woman and innocent children of no other reason then that they were European Jews, 1,5 million of these were children. In Auschwitz 1,1 million were killed .Treblinka which was the second biggest death camp over 970 thousand were killed . The Nazis did not only kill Jews ca 5 million people including 3 million soldiers from the Red Army Slaves as they looked on as inferior humans Romans and other groups. Poland lost 6 million people in the WW2, a fifth of their population 5,6 million were civilian.
Okay, if they were prosecuted earlier, when they were still young it would have been better, but now that they are old, they are still equally guilty of all the harm they have done. Therefore, they must be judged anyway!!!
"The best way to defeat an enemy is to make him a friend." What an incredibly important piece of advice.
No thanks
But can you be real friends with a Nazi? If my best friend or my sister became a nazi that would be a deal breaker for me. Big time. But they would never be that, nor I.
If my uncle or a relative, or great grandfather was a German SS, or camp commandant, I would not put his framed military picture on my wall. It is a forever shame.
For sure, totally practical. If only the world had befriended the Germans, none of this would have happened. 🙄If you're ever under attack, just tell your attacker that you want to be his friend. That is sure to end the abuse. All those Jews sent to the gas chambers could have prevented their deaths by making friends with their captors.
I hope you can see how stupid, and not important, that "advice" is now.
The ONLY reason that woman said that, is because its the only way she could cope with what she went through. But it is PROFOUNDLY stupid to believe it is a realistic way to defeat an enemy.
Thankfully, for the sake of all that is good, those who resisted thought very differently!
Evidence to support who exactly? I’m sure I agree although I highly doubt that we see the same enemies.
@youtube have you no shame to interrupt this documentary every five minutes with frivolous ads?
I wonder who owns youtube
UA-cam have shame? Ha!
@davidleonard1813 it's Google
@cal4207 so right you are. The 2 founders sold it off, but control the majority votes within the shareholders. Both these guys share something in common. I already knew the similarity and thought: oh how ironic😆. Google and Wiki them up if you're curious.
@@davidleonard1813. Google owns YT, and monetized absolutely everything, included the voices of those using Google and Google-powered devices. Get smart sharpish.
Thanks for the video. Such materials should always be public
Even if he changed, it does Not erase what he did! The Innocent Victims are Still Gone, and Survivors have Life long Suffering.
... good thing the Jews finally learned the only thing that stops genocide is FORCE OF ARMS applied IMMEDIATELY ... they've stopped turning the other cheek and give as good or better than they get ... the 2024 Israeli Jew is a different person than the passive Jews of the Nazi era ... ask Hamas if you don't thinks so
Im Armenian i feel their pain the Turks dint even acknowledge the genocide that was committed against Armenians
Ridiculous what about Iraq Afghanistan and now in Gaza rafah ? You American doing same Nazis atrocities even worst but no one is able to justice.
Do you feel shame
@@HassanRaza-zq4se Lol... dude... what about the other genocides around the world? Like in Myanmar? You only care because of the politics
@@HassanRaza-zq4se I feel no shame as an American ✌🏻
@@HassanRaza-zq4setypical Muslim who won’t accept accountability and want to resort to whatboutery. Why are you all like this? You are just another disgrace to humanity
Brilliant documentary. This is one of the best I've seen on the subject of the Holocaust and the prosecution of war criminals. The legal and moral fine tuning here leaves room for questions and ambiguity. I'll have these people on my mind for a long time. Thank you so very much for this posting.
I had the honor to meet Eva Kor and her husband a few times. She lived in my hometown in Indiana.
May her and her husband have joy in heaven l
You people say history isn't repeating itself. It is. Look at what's going on in our world today.
History doesn’t repeat. It rhymes.
Mark Twain
As long as there are people who have no business being in power, but are greedy and have the connections and the means and opportunities to be in power, There will be true evil.
When great power is put in the wrong hands.... terrible things happen that shouldn't ever happen
1984
Only the ignorant say history is not a template for what can happen today.
What? What's happening today that's even CLOSE to the freakin holocaust
Yes we will never forget, the problem is those that do not care.
We must learn from the past so we dont repeat it. The irony? Eventually the past is forgotten and to this day we still have slaves, genocides, rapes, mass bombings, and dictators that control entire countries where the people are slaves and can;t even leave if they want to. The truth is humans are sick and will continute this trend until the end of time. Only today, the bombs are bigger, the deaths more brutal, and the world would rather film someone getting stabbed to death then try to save them. Humans, in the end, just can't kick the own thing that they desire the most......Power.
I don't care,others has suffered similar Faith's
@@odemaj8605 Thanks for that, try a grammar check.
Shit was like 80 years ago what the fuck u want us to care about
I dont care they did not fight.
No one should escape justice for this crime regardless of age!
ikr, one day it will be Sátányahu, Gvir Smotrich, Eliyahu
excellent documentary.. It should be shown in schools. Maybe then the youth will learn something.
Their parents should watch too.
Yes exactly, instead of all this futile woke shit.
@@Zeus-kj7nn 99% of those against "woke shit" say the Holocaust NEVER HAPPENED. Not only are they against teaching students about this horrific period in history, they're against teaching about slavery and other atrocities perpetuated against humans since the beginning of civilization. We can't pick and choose or whitewash what is taught. Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it. Look what's happening in the world today.
I agree. History has a way of repeating itself
Will they teach their children the genocide that Germany is now supporting. Never again means everyone not just one group
All the staff of the death camps knew what was happening.
People talk, to their families, to their friends, to their colleagues.
Especially when under stress.
They all knew.
How could they not know. When you receive train loads of Jews, half of them sent in a certain direction and never seen again. They all knew the murders were taking place. All of them.
it wasn't well into 1942 whispers here and there started in germany regarding large camps. before that tales had been told by army and SS personnel on leave of einsatzgruppen, round-ups and deportations, slaughters.
yes, they all knew.
You could smell the burning bodies thru out the whole camps.
Yes. They all knew the burning bodies were practically right next door.
Actually, they nazis tried to hide what they were doing, which is more than what's happening now that Germany itself supports. The world is on its head now
Thank you for sharing.
This isn't about punishing the 90-year-old for what he did when he was 20. Pretty sure he isn't going to do it again. It's about deterring others from doing the same thing.
Well it doesn't stop the jews from mass slaughter in the Gaza concentration camp now does it?
It hasn't deterred the ancestors of the group people who were once the victims and who are now committing the same atrocities!!
Yeah that's a nice thought but its not going to happen Genocide is as human as eating or drinking. Its not right but it'll never be a thing of the past. The only thing that made the holocaust unique was the industrialization of genocide but after the industrial revolution that was bound to happen. Also I find it pretty hypocritical that the German State is punishing him for actions he carried out under direction of the German State. If anyone should be giving him a trial it should be Poland or maybe Israel or a tribunal of both.
@@bigvinnie3 "The German State" of the mid 20th Century is no more the German State" of today than the Italy of today is still the Roman Empire of the past.
@@grantsmythe8625 80 Years vs 2000. I see your point and it is a different government sure but it still seems wildly hypocritical.
That horrible old woman! My grandfather was part of the troops who liberated Dachau. I have his photo album. To deny that this atrocity didn't happen is a crime against humanity in and of itself.
Watching this in 2024 is quite something.
Yeah considering that the descendants of the "survivors" are now the ones committing atrocities! They've turned into the very thing that their ancestors despised.
Free Palestine
@@RepublicKillerPalestine is free. It's called Israel. Get over it.
I wonder will they pursue the perpetrators of the genocide in 2024 with such zeal. Dershowitz is a sickening individual
How many train engineers were prosecuted? They knowingly drove the trains to the death camps no?
exactly,its ridiculous,this man just told the truth.
In the movie Shoah, Lantzmann interviewed a guy who drove the trains from Malkinia station to the Trablinka camp. He was haunted by it. In fact, his picture is on the box the DVDs cake in. He's in the engine of a train, looking back, and you can see that in his mind, he can see the cattle cars.
Good question.
And what would happen if they refused? It's a romantic notion to think we would be a hero, but realistically many had little option other than to go along with it.
@@emsky333 just following orders right? Didn't work during the Nuremberg trials either.
Thousands were let go at the time, and others escaped. What of the death squads, camps guards and many others. Nuremberg was limited or the trials would have gone on for years. This man wanted to tell the truth so history would not be forgotten.
The Prosecutions were limited to the space in the Dock!
The decision to prosecute him at that age was wrong. I say that, because they would never have heard of Oskar Groning, if it wasn't for him deciding to start talking about his experiences at Auschwitz. The reason he decided to start talking about them, was because he heard people stating that the holocaust never happened. That there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz. He had of course been there. So he took the step that extremely few members of the SS who worked in the concentration camps took. That is to openly talk of their experiences there. He should have been commended for this decision, to counter the words of the deniers. Instead, they went after him. Even though there is proof that he didn't want to work in the camp, and had put in for a transfer to the front. Which was denied. I find this disgusting.
He didn't kill anyone personally. He didn't want to be there. He put in for a transfer. People didn't volunteer to work in the extermination camps. You were sent there, under orders. Sure, some of them turned into complete monsters when they got there. These people should have been tried for their crimes. Admin clerks should not have.
Yeah, right, OK, sure...enjoy your delusions.
Yeah so if you murder someone and get away with it for many years - you shouldn't be then prosecuted if you then come out and say "Hang on I killed that person, don't say they weren't murdered because I will tell you about my reasoning". This is pretty much what you are saying... his age has nothing to do with it... plenty of people that age were taken to that camp and instantly murdered.
He admitted he took part in selection duty at the train ramp.. An absolute admission of guilt for crimes against humanity - At the time Oskar came forward, there was no law in Germany to prosecute suspected Nazis for being an accessory to the Holocaust without any proof of personal responsibility for crimes committed. That came after the Demjanjuk trial. Oskar may have never come forward if he had known this could lead to his prosecution (years later).
It’s a difficult topic - I partly agree with the sentiment that prosecuting him after he voluntarily came forward and spoke about his experiences to silence holocaust deniers is difficult. Without such insights we will never truly learn what moves people to do or be part of unthinkable atrocities. To simply brand them as pure evil is too easy and creates a them and us mentality rather than an understanding that under certain circumstances a lot of people may be susceptible to similar powers of persuasion and become instrumentalists to commit atrocities. Without people like Oskar Gröning openly talking about his motives we will not learn and be able to truly prevent history repeating itself. As for his guilt - this is where things become more difficult. Being a part of this machinery and taking part in selections makes him an accomplice which should be punished - his guilt needs to be considered within the context of his situation - to what extent was he brainwashed by propaganda, under duress by orders, etc I don’t agree with people hiding behind orders but that also means they have a degree of freedom to make choices and this freedom became less and less as the war went on due to the fanaticism of many people issuing the orders and death sentences for not following orders. He needs to be held accountable for his actions - no matter what age he is but we need to be careful to not make people like him a stand in for all atrocities committed.
If I had worked at a death camp at the most menial job, I would have been guilty of murder
"He didnt want to be there". He was there. He wanted to be there. He knew he was taking part in a death camp. He was sure that Germany was going to triumph, so it would not matter.
Fact is the whole German nation was guilty. They listened to Hitler make these rants about the Jews since the 30s. They all went to elementary schools where they were taught that significant portions of their own population were basically less than animals. All they had to do is look at a thousand years of German history to know what was going to happen. Yet when the elections came, basically everyone voted for Hitler. In Austria when the election came, 95% voted for Hitler
Sadly, even the Mennonites of Germany enthusiastically supported Hitler. When you see something like that, you realize that all is lost, and the nation has fallen into the abyss
We all can SO easily be led like lambs to the slaughter.
I think a film should be made entitled,"And They Continued to Live" based on post- WWII German military and civilian survivors.
These demons went straight to hell!Where all their victims were waiting to greet them!
have u seen the final account its really good
During *The Zero Years in post war NAZI GERMANY,
the Civilian Population "saw" themselves as VICTIMS.
NOT the six million of the Jewish Race who had met their respective premature deaths,
in NAZI GERMAN Concentration Camps.
*The Zero Years 1945-1949 when Germany did not have an elected Reichstag.
So make it, what is stopping you?
@@loveforbeats2112I like your energy.
7:41 the things this man says about not learning about the war as a child seems to contradict what I learned about Denazification. It would be highly unlikely for someone who went to school in post-war Germany to have avoided learning about World War II and the Holocaust. After the war, the Allied powers implemented a comprehensive re-education program in Germany. This included the inclusion of the causes and consequences of totalitarianism in school curricula and a policy of ensuring that the Nazi period remained firmly in the German collective memory
If he lived in the East Germany, then indeed there was no such thing as denazification. And probably school programs were quite different from the West
If only they had instituted the same program in school curricula in Japan.
Is it not a travesty of justice to bring back upon the men of Germany, the consequences of their evils,......... BUT NOT the females, who were just as much an intricate part of the NAZI HOLOCAUST
He was referring to not learning in school about WWI, not WWII. Since he worked in a concentration camp during WWII, he would not normally have been in school after WWII.
Superb documentary, well researched and with excellent narration.
They were all guilty as sin , all complicit and they all knew what they were doing
If the defence is that “he’s a different person”, where do we draw the line? If I did something ten years ago, am I different person now? How about five years? It’s a slippery slope I don’t want to go down. We can’t ignore justice in favor of mercy.
The fact he was open, honest, came forward & formally stated he was morally guilty & very sorry does go along way.
The law does draw the line for many crimes. It’s called a statute of limitation.
That's the reason why there are statutes of limitations for crimes (except murder. In some countries like Germany for exemple).
The very worst crime against humanity .
The very best documentary on UA-cam.
*Edit- not related to this subject but i have Erich Kempkas mother of pearl cut throat razor still in its cardboard sleeve. Retrieved by my Grandad in Berlin May 1945. Kempka was Hitlers driver*
Wow that's something
Difficult to know hiw to feel about that.
Still after all this time.
God Bless your family , especially yor Grand- father and greetings from the UK 🇬🇧
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Il n’ y a pas pire crimes que celui des juifs . Regardez lybie Syrie Irak Palestine Ukraine et j’ en passe un crimes reste un crime . Ceux qu’ il faut punir sont le monde de la finance car les guerres font vivre ces gens .
@paperchain1239
Difficult one really, it's a Nazi souvenir. Its not something I put on display. It's more a memory of my Grandad who died when I was 8 yrs old.
BTW, I'm from the UK originally..
Check out: David Irving: Historical view to the Nuremberg trials (here on YT)
I read about Kempka and he was one of a small handful of people Hitler trusted most. He was in the bunker at the end of Hitlers and Browns life and seen them both dead. That's when I hung up that conspiracy t
Those goons in Virginia have absolutely no idea what it is they are blurting about, they just want to make noise. Empty barrels make the most noise.
Benjamin Berell Ferencz (March 11, 1920 - April 7, 2023). Rest In Peace
Hearing him speak a number of years ago was a great moment in my life. He was a fine man with integrity that is unmatched By any others. I wonder what he would have to say about the current situation because he was so incredibly honest about the horror that men commit against each other
Eva is a beautiful soul....forgiveness is a profound gift few people accept or pass on
I remember reading about this in the news and my view then was “why do this now to a 93 year old when it should of been done back then” I still feel that no accountability back then is a huge failing but i understand why survivors still need some justice. Why was a 93 year old able to live to such a great age when that was denied to millions. We should never forget, all the victims should be remembered for centuries and those perpetrators that are still alive today should face some punishment.
I believe that this man, Oskar Groning, at the end of his life tried to do what he could and was well prepared to be an example of indisputable testimony in the face of sickening Holocaust deniers everywhere - he did the only thing he could and for at least that, he deserves a measure of recognition for trying to do the right thing finally.
Forgiveness belongs to the person who gives it to choose whether they feel like they want to give it, it is an individual thing and should therefore not be criticised by those who choose not to give it. Each person's business is their own entirely when it comes to the matter of forgiveness.
I read the page on this man on Google.
What a fools waste of time to try jail him in his nineties.
And that a man who had rehabilitated himself long before.
They let the skunks go and pounce on a scapegoat.
The very conviction or our agreement to this says EVERYTHING about our haughty, lordly, and unforgiving hypocrisy!
Forgiveness is not real. It’s a religious construct designed to control people, not just their actions but their thoughts. People need time to work through their hurts, no amount of so called ‘forgiveness’ can affect that process. The absurdity of the righteous and the religious. 😅
@@Roz-y2d that's absurd...!!! Forgiveness is FAR from "a religious construct" and it IS VERY REAL...!!! Plenty of non religious people believe in forgiveness - but sure what the heck; you feel free to wallow in your own self imposed pit of hatred and indignation about how and what others choose to believe or not believe - NONE OF WHICH IS ANY OF YOUR BUSINESS REGARDLESS....!!!! 🙄🤦
Numbers don't add up.
You are right! 👍
Seeing his grandfather at a family gathering is disheartening
Hello, and Thank You for these Important videos.
A very well done documentary. It heightens the belief that the moral and legal questions raised are, basically, unanswerable. There are almost unlimited nuances to each person's culpability, there is no "one size fits all" definition. We can agree that such horrors that were brought to life under the Nazis should indeed happen "never again", but the sad reality of human existence is that they have before, they have since, and they will again in the future. That is our nature, that is what we are. That isn't a particularly inspiring thought, as realistic as it might be.
And Germany is currently supporting such acts
So horrible. I could not study this in history when I was in high school. I am 62 yo and now can study the horrible history and I feel so ashamed that I couldn't study it in my teens ...but so many that age had to actually go through this! I will always from now on fight against these horrible actions!
@tammynelson7459 Why couldn't you study this in school? What country are you in?
“Vengeance is not our goal, nor do we seek merely a just retribution. We ask this court to affirm by international penal action, man’s right to live in peace and dignity, regardless of his race or creed. The case we present is a plea of humanity to law.”- Benjamin Ferencz, Opening Statement before the Nuremberg Military Tribunal, 1947. Justice has been served, many times on the people involved, wrote about for the world to know from every angle. To go after old men today is no longer in the interest of justice but is solely in the interest of vengeance.
As an African. My heart aches, watching what happened to Jewish people and the pain in their eyes and their voices. I only hope God avenges them.
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1:11:00 "This 'Never Again' is absolutely meaningless."
sadly ....
A very sad chapter of history .
Ghengis Khan killed more people
It's being repeated on college campuses today where so called protesters are actively promoting the extermination of the Jews. This evil is still alive and well. The term "From the river to the Sea" means the extermination of the Jews. From the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. Our youth have been indoctrinated in the same evil as what happened in Nazi Germany.
A must-watch. An amazing and a necessary documentary
This is something all ppl should watch. You would think after such atrocities we as a species would learn yet here we are in 2024 watching the beginnings of it unfolding in America
How Ben could be that sharp at 98 is just nuts. What a man.
Why wasn’t this man put in trial sooner? Too late for justice.
My opinion is pretty biased but I genuinely believe it’s because the German police were afraid of the optics of them arresting refugees so they found this old man and more or less sacrificed him to show they still aren’t nazis.
the video spends 45 minutes explaining why he wasn't tried sooner.
I wrote this as an exasperation, not a question. German law was designed to protect the perpetrators not the victims.
@@Richard-zd8pg. Seems like that’s always the way.
It’s never too late for justice! The fact that his offspring walk among us is an act against humanity in present day!!!
Voltaire said, to know who rules you look for those you cannot critisize. The victors write the history. They sometimes even invent it.
Excellent documentary thank you
If you scream" from the river to the sea"... think many times because the future will punish you.
You get it.
Bankman- Fried , Madoff and co will agree with you.
You're a clown
Free Palestine
From the river to the sea.
Concerning Groning case and his participation in the deaths. Merely a question here, wouldn't anyone within the camp be considered a participant. For instance, were the Locomotive engineers that brought victims in considered for trial? Surely they knew.
You could put local town civilians and almost anyone who brought or took away supplies to keep the camp running of not doing anything..
Crimes against humanity… we have not learned our lesson.. they continue today. So sad!
Porque no lo traducen?? Me encanta el programa pero no sé dominar el idioma y creo que a muchos le pasa
Never understood why they charge him so late ? Have seen this man tell his story since the 90s .. anyone?
German corts were all old nazi's. So they looking the other way.
At the time Oskar came forward, there was no law in Germany to prosecute suspected Nazis for being an accessory to the Holocaust without any proof of personal responsibly for crimes committed. That came after the Demjanjuk trial. Oskar may have never come forward if he had known this could lead to his prosecution (years later).
He was charged for the simple fact of his being alive. What will they do when there's no one left alive who was born before 8 May 1945?
For a clue: there are more holocaused suhvivahs now than there were 20 years' ago.
the video spends 45 minutes explaining why he wasn't tried sooner.
51:50 - the prick saying garrison responsible for the slave labour end of things could not have known about the extermination "sections" of the camp. pardon me but bull$h1t! those at the camp knew exactly what happened and at the time, too. spare me that argument. of course the boys shot the breeze in the barracks, and units as small as 5-man squads would have been routinely assigned tasks all over the camp to rotate "employees" throughout the entire establishment. it was operated as a business by the look of the evidence and the testimony (face it, auschwitz had accountants for a reason...).
this one's argument that groning "could not have known of the exterminations... he worked in a whole different sub-system - slave labour" is so contrived it hurts. scraping the bottom of the critical thinking septic tank, frankly, and it just doesn't wash.
Hundreds of Red Cross workers were in and out of birkenau daily.
Too many commercials!
Don't be so cheap!
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Whats the name of the song at the beginning
im grunewald rudolf scherfling
His judgment will come not by this world but the hereafter. For the sins we commit so shall we be judged by a higher authority.
Bullshit, your divinity seems to give a damn about the suffering in this life therefore, what a merciful deity!
👍🇨🇦
@@DrGarri The suffering in this life is solely due to the evil's of our species.
We have a choice to be good or evil no matter what ideology you belive in
@@DrGarri The suffering, as you say, is solely attributed to that of our own species, who have proven that there is little in our species worth saving.
Well said.
I love how Alan Doucheowitz is talking considering his affliations of recent.
Thought provoking, well-balanced and presented. Unfortunately as a world, we cannot always reach a verdict. As human beings, all we can do is manage our own motivations. True justice, sadly is unattainable. It doesn't really exist.
And Mercy ?!?
@@markminter3960 Mercy fortunately does. One of the higher of human graces. Attainable, practicable and measurable. However TRUE justice sadly, is unrealistic.
However if you have ever seen The Grey Zone then I recommend you hear the final comment during the execution of the Sonderkommando who are being executed. One says to another that it doesn't matter because they did something by knocking off a few SS and destroying a crematorium.
Surely this is some form of justice. It didn't matter that they were shot as men who weren't free but they got their justice in their own small way. Beautiful acting and dialogue based on a real event. That's justice surely?
I don't feel sympathy for him. But at 90, the important thing is to get his recollections public, see if he has regrets or remorse, publicize his story. First time I have ever agreed with Allan D.
I was completely shocked, and disheartened, by the statistics in this documentary. Most of the Nazi murderers were tried but served 3 or 4 years of prison time! This is only the few that were, actually, tried and found guilty. Germany has a lot of soul searching to do with itself. That is one issue I have with European countries, they do not seem to prosecute criminals. They just seem to give them light sentences, no death penalty either. I am sure people will disagree with my American way of thinking, but I do not regret posting my views on this.
Not most, by any means. Less than 1 in 8
America wrote the history of WW2.
What is 'justice delayed'? Is there an effective remedy?
Yes he was guilty evern after all of them years later.he had blood on his hands still
“Out out damn spot”
Thank you
Why is it that Germany still understands the importance of treating holocaust denial as a crime better than the USA?
Good people in the USA understand the demonic evilness of the Holocaust. Uneducated and the Evil people of the world don't understand.
The U.S. knows about all the old soldiers in Brazil. Argentina.
Part of it is that, as horrible as the speech that US Nazi supporters spew is, most of it is protected by the 1st amendment of our constitution. The laws in Germany are simply different than those in the US. Just like the US, the law does not protect ALL speech. In Germany, there are specific laws prohibiting Nazi propaganda. I am not sure if it is still this way, but back when the video game Wolfenstein came out, the Nazi flag was not allowed to be shown in the game (I believe is is only allowed to be displayed in historical references such as history books or museums).
Additionally, Germans teach about WW2 and the Holocaust very differently than the US does. I am not a German citizen, but I have watched several documentaries about how they teach about the holocaust there and it is seems like they places more emphasis on moral education, encouraging students to reflect on the moral implications of historical events and the importance of
standing up against injustice. I have even seen videos showing the students doing a sort of "role-playing" exercises which helps promote empathy, compassion, and understanding for what the different groups went through. I seem to remember something similar being tried in a US class not long ago and the parents all complained and there was a lot of outrage over it. I don't know much about that event, but from what I understand, in Germany the exercises are designed to be respectful and sensitive to the experiences of those who lived through the events.
The constitution of the US was always intended to be updated over time, however this hasn't happened in over 32 years, which is amazing since the way technology has changed the world over the last 32 years has been massive. Our constitution still to this day does not consider men and women as equals. It wasn't until 1920 that women gained the right to vote. Our original constitution considered a black individual as 3/5 a human. The 14th Amendment (1870) further clarified that citizenship and equal protection under the law applied to all individuals, regardless of race. Many people don't know this, but black men in the US gained the right to vote before white women. Needless to say, our constitution is flawed in many ways yet our political leaders do little to try and rectify that.
That's absurd and untrue. You are terribly misinformed.
Because in America u have the right to belive and say whatever u like regardless if it's dumb or not as long as ur not infringing on someone else's rights u can hate whomever or love whomever or just plain don't give a crap
So very very sad for the victims
No justice has been served
The idea that Alan is sitting there, talking about atrocities when he literally is responsible for letting a double murderer escape justice, is rich.
What's the name of that song at the beginning
im grunewald rudolf scherfling
Shazam it!
I remember Eva Kor, she courageous plead for justice but also for forgiveness During the Oscar Groning trial she embraced him. Nowadays I am sad reading about war in Ukrain and western businessman still try to trade with Russia and supporting the war economy causing many victims. according to me these are war criminals too
God Bless all the innocent souls who were murdered then and Now
I think l understand her forgiveness..it was ethier that or insanity..lt's impossible to imagine / accept what humans had done to other humans for no reason...The only thing left is forgiveness or one would become insane, themselves 😢
11:36 Wait. This is the behaviour you would expect from the fascists. No freedom of speech? 34:50 WOW
Tom Bower's books, "Blind Eye to Murder" [post-war cover-up of widespread, generalised atrocities in Europe, done mostly by Nazis] and another, "Paperclip Conspiracy",
examined selection of those guilty of war crimes but not prosecuted, being deemed useful to the USA.
His conviction is not punitive. It’s to record the history correctly- to die named as the man who helped murder 300,000 people.
He doesn’t deserve to die without his name tied to his actions.
How come the perpetrators of the genocides that followed WWII were not executed?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Anything asserted without evidence can be dismissed the same way.
“To date, the Prosecutor has opened investigations in fourteen situations: Afghanistan; Burundi; two in the Central African Republic; Côte d'Ivoire; Darfur, Sudan; the Democratic Republic of the Congo; Georgia; Kenya; Libya; Mali; Uganda; Bangladesh/Myanmar, Palestine and Venezuela.[163][164] Additionally, the Office of the Prosecutor is conducting preliminary examinations in six situations: Colombia; Guinea; Nigeria; the Philippines; Ukraine and Bolivia.[165]
The Court's Pre-Trial Chambers have publicly indicted 54 people. Proceedings against 22 are ongoing: 17 are at large as fugitives and five are on trial. Proceedings against 32 have been completed: two are serving sentences, seven have finished sentences, four have been acquitted, seven have had the charges against them dismissed, four have had the charges against them withdrawn, and eight have died before the conclusion of the proceedings against them.”
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In England in 2010 the son of an ss soldier, told me that after his late father died, his fathers best friend asked to see him, he told me that they met in elderly mans home and was invited into his office, in the office they were surrounded by nazi memorabilia including the mans ss uniform, he was totally astonished, he told my friend much of his and his fathers past including that they belonged to a secretive unit that were never tattooed with the ss numbers on there scalps and that they were captured by the russians and had to wait in a queue to have there heads shaved, if the tattoos were on there heads they were immediatly shot through the head, because neither of them had the normal tattoos they survived death. Many families of these people must have been indoctrinated with nazi doctrine, i wonder how many families secretly have these doctines still today? All over the world.
To interrupt a documentary of this seriousness with advertisements....something way wrong with that. Shame on you, You Tube.
Why do you think you get to watch stuff on UA-cam free, you dolt.
It's all about the 💰 money John.
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The ads are the reason you can watch the documentary free of charge.
@@martinraymond2120 Still, a little discretion here and there wouldn't hurt.
From what I can gather, this man Gruning was not an accountant at all. He was eather a baggage-checker chrged with the "duty" of going through the luggagee of the victims and removing whatever valuables he found there. These valuables would then used either to reward the camp guards or sent to some sort of Nazi headquarters benefit the "Reich." Nothing to do with accounting. This guy seems to have had no training or experience as an account. He was a low-level manual laborer. Probably there was an accountant who worked at Auchwitz. But this jerk wasn't him.
I don't care what age he was, if I had been there when he told the story about the baby in the suitcase I would have taken matters into my own hands. I am not Jewish, I am simply human !!
Yooo this accountant had a wide variety on life/ death
... Groning never said he was sorry ... because he WASN'T ... he would without a seconds hesitation do the very same things again and of course he would have dashed the babies head against the wall ... not a smidgen of humanity or remorse in the man
Oh gawd. Did you even watch this documentary? Or more importantly, did you even understand the sequence of events?
I remember watching the BBC with Groening saying that he came out of the shadow of anonymity to confront Holocaust deniers. I thought that that was brave of him.
Germany had failed in the past to put minor players such as him on trial in the past and now it's too little too late.
He was a small cog but he was definitely an accessory to mass murder. Apparently he cleared away suitcases and belongings of previous arrivals in order to deceive the people on the next train. The new arrivals, many photos show and survivors testimony gives us a clear picture that to the new arrivals at Birkenau that it was intimidating and frightening. The wise and astute among them knew what was going on but the Camp staff attempted to keep up some kind of deception and Groening admitted to taking part in that.
He could've be also charged with the administration of loot and plunder. He was also nearly caught by the SS for corruption.
In his defense. He asked twice for transfer and this was granted the second time. I believe that he did feel personal guilt for his part in the machinery of mass murder.
If someone is looking for another SS man to bring to justice in Canada, just call Justin Trudeau. He brought one in to parliament last year and gave him a standing ovation.
is this double jeperody?
*As for one Hans-Jürgen Brennecke in this documentary who spoke about Nazis as, 'our right wing people', i.e., [current protestors/deniers]; is factually incorrect as Nazi's were and are National Socialists--which is as far left as it gets.*
And i tell you , i am from Warsaw from the area of juwisch getto, where in childhood i saw juwisch people had been visiting the place of marthyrology. Despite i am from a family with problems i don't remember there was "a hate" against juwisch people,there was always talking about juwisch people that they will want the houses where already lived polish people for me normal. There was a case for discussion.That was no hate like i feel in Switzerland against polish people. I never could understood why they didn't want the visit of juwisch people. Belive me i never felt a hate, such hate despite i met in my life good and bad polish people.
🔴 Unfortunately and truly sadly, his idea/believe regarding the blood of the poor little children, is absolutely nonsense! In other words, if someone takes children (new borns) from example France and Germany and switch them, when they grow older, they won't even be aware that they are of another country (blood, in context). So sadly, millions of poor children (babies), were killed absolutely for nothing!!! 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Meanwhile, across the world, hundreds of thousands of infants in the womb are being deliberately killed each year . . .
May they all rest in peace 😔🙏💔 this is a really sad history and this should never repeat again but sadly does looks like ppl hate each other !
Peter Singer is wrong.
If I at 23 I murder a child am I still guilty of a crime at 93?
Of course I am and I should be punished as if I was still 23.
No pardon or excuse, not even ill health.
Justice must be done.
I have jumped into the rabbit hole that is the Holocaust and each video or documentary that I watch makes me that much angrier over the unnecessary killing of so many innocent lives.
A woman forgives, and those bitter people who can not forgive call her mentally unstable. What good does it do to convict a mere accountant? All the big fish have escaped.
Where's the forgiving women? I've never known any.
@stevewheatley243 sorry about your mom... :(
@@sidney836 You knew she just died?
@stevewheatley243 yes, unfortunately. I'm sorry.
People need to watch Why We Hate docuseries!!!
How a Nation let this happen shocking
What were the Soviet gulags like?
@@maxsmith695 Soviet gulags I imagine were helll your point?
The United States knew exactly what was happening. From 1933 to 1941 they lent money to the big man and supplied parts and materials. The reason the US sent troops in 1944 was to stop the short man from taking over all of Europe. Of course, the allied war crimes needed to be covered up from the public, and that called for the Pentagon office of psy ops, to work the media channels and bullhorn a narrative.
History Doesn't Repeat, But It Often Rhymes - Mark Twain; seems very fitting here
If you wear a hat with a skull and bones on it, you know you're there for dealths and destruction. You know you are guilty.
The totenkopf insignia was older than the 3rd Reich, it was adopted from the old uniform of Prussian Hussars.
The swastika was also not invented by the nazis its been around for centuries before they used it
Ignorance sets you apart
Excellent documentary.
The woman who said her sympathies vanished because she thought he was the same shows the hypocrisy of certain people’s
You can forgive anyone but it doesn't mean they don't have to suffer the consequences of there actions no matter how apologetic someone is cuz most of the people that caught committing horrible crimes become extremely apologetic when standing in front the judge with your life or freedom in his hands b, so now it's become a tactic for people to say I'm sorry yes I did it to get some Mercy from the judge they aren't sorry for actions so it's hard to tell for sure how someone feels about things they did in the past they aren't sorry before they get caught and arrested standing in front of a judge
1:11:00 yes you are making the same thing again in Gaza
Nonsense
Terrible things are happening in Ghasa ,i am not from Israel and i am not a Jew , even very terrible but Hamas is not totally innocent and let us keep one thing at its place. The Holocaust killed over 6 million men woman and innocent children of no other reason then that they were European Jews, 1,5 million of these were children. In Auschwitz 1,1 million were killed .Treblinka which was the second biggest death camp over 970 thousand were killed . The Nazis did not only kill Jews ca 5 million people including 3 million soldiers from the Red Army Slaves as they looked on as inferior humans Romans and other groups. Poland lost 6 million people in the WW2, a fifth of their population 5,6 million were civilian.
Sadly yes. They themselves are doing the same thing today
“Setting a precedent for the future” if only we had listened better.. now we are on the brink of this all over again.
Okay, if they were prosecuted earlier, when they were still young it would have been better, but now that they are old, they are still equally guilty of all the harm they have done. Therefore, they must be judged anyway!!!
GOD will be their FINAL judge ...
@@thecatcameback3921 Theologically yes.
Of course, but he’s already lived his life. Where’s the real justice?
Porque ponen las narraciones en inglés?
Heartbreaking...