I have a soft spot for it. The music is aces. There's a lot to like and I saw it before reading the book. Then read the book and you know what, I still like it... it's not perfect but there's a lot to like and I actually do think it works as a stand alone film.
I personally don't think the music fits at all, but the music is nice on its own, I've watched the film 2 times now and personally I think it's one of the 'so bad it's good' type films, it has its charm but it's not exactly a good film lol. There are a lot of things about it that I really dislike though and even watching it from a laughable perspective are annoying, like the battle sequences going on for too long or the tone being really off between the music and the visuals. That's just my opinion.
Similar story. I watched it as a kid and I loved it as a visual treat although it was virtually incomprehensible then (and now). Having read the book I can fill in the gaps and differences in the movie. It’s a beautiful mess of a movie with an atmosphere that only Lynch could create. Overall I love it even despite its faults and some images and scenes stick with me even now.
I would go so far as to say that Lynch's Dune is visually sumptuous. Truly strong moments like the stuff with the Harkkonens are few and far between, but all of the architecture and costumes and creature designs are an absolute treat.
I think the Harkonnens, cartoons that they are, are the weakest link in both the novel and any adaptation of it, and they really serve to undermine the entire story by dragging it down to their two-dimensional level as antagonists.
I love Dune. I watched it as a kid and had no trouble following the plot. Atreides, They're the good blokes. Space nun. Maybe bad but Paul's mum is a Space nun. Box. Mind over matter. Got it. Harkonens. OK they're definitely bad guys. Fremen. OK they're the real good guys. Got it. Giant worms. Paul is Jesus. Harkonens are dead. The end.
Truly bonkers & great in equal measure. I love the casting. Brad Dourif as Piter, a Yorkshireman as Gurney & Big Ed as a Fremen. Looks amazing & sounds amazing. I’m glad Lynch had a go at it. High hopes for Denis’ take on the book.
Lynch has totally disowned the film, so that won’t happen. I do suggest you search for the Spice Diver edit (it’s on UA-cam). It’s has most; if not all of the cut scenes reintroduced (the collecting of the water of life, the fight with Jamis etc) & some minor editing changes, such as splitting it into three acts much like the first Dune novel.
I unironically love the Lynch version. The Guild Navigator sequence is amazing. The Harkonnen aesthetic is basically Trump's interior decorator on very bad acid. Toto's only decent music. The guitar crashing in as Paul rides the worm. Just totally insane. A film the likes of which not even God could conceive The Denis Villeneuve adaptation is "epic vanilla" in comparison
I disagree with Mark Kermode. I hadn't read the book but when I saw the film back when it was first released, I did understand it. Yes there were strange scenes but the film had the tagline "a world beyond your imagination". My mind was open and I saw a spectacle. It isn't perfect but it is a damn good ride.
After listening to the audiobook, I watched David Lynch's version on streaming. Its an average adaptation. It gets things right and wrong. By the time Paul and Lady Jessica meet the Freman, it just rushes to the end. The music, costumes, production design and some of the casting are great though. I'd love to see an extended director's cut with restored special effects, music, etc. I've seen a lot of the deleted scenes on UA-cam and if inserted with care, the movie would be improved. However, I doubt it will ever happen.
The production design is beyond reproach. It ain't Giger, but it's still great. Good casting choices, gorgeous cinematography by veteran Freddie Francis, and Sting in a black leather codpiece. Not to mention an odd contraption with a kitty in a box. And lots of, er, boils.
It’s one of those rare contradictory films that it is one one level, very visually interesting, and yet excruciating in execution. There are things I like in, the production design as stated, the soundtrack is certainly memorable, elements that make you want to watch it. I’ll find myself trying to watch It from time to time, but I can only get through maybe 20 min installments tops before I’ve had enough. The ASMR whispering, the numerous WTF moments. Straight up baffling, but you never don’t soon forget it.
Coming from someone who read all the books twice and recently listened to the Audibles, I actually liked the David Lynch version, the visuals and design are incredible, in places pretty much how I imagined them from the books, I see it as more a stage pantomime than a film and it also has one of the great movie scores. In all, the guts of the Joseph Campell...hero story is all there and I enjoy it each time, it's actually one of the few DVDs I bought and still watch from time to time. I am glad Jodorowsky's Dune wasn't made, the Hollywood execs in their wisdom said NO!!!, psychedelics write bad films, unless of course, the audience are also on them.
Honest question: can someone explain to me what in the Lynch version allegedly doesn't make any sense or is hard to follow? I saw it for the first time when I was about 13 and it always seemed pretty straightforward to me, I'd even go so far as to say it overexplains certain things. And yes, I have read the books (well, those written by Frank Herbert himself at least).
David Lynch's Dune is not David Lynch's Dune in any version. Just as much as Jodorowsky's Dune David Lynch's Dune doesn't exist. He didn't get final cut and he rightly continues to disown what ended up on screen. Like others have said, what you get is great production design, costumes, music etc along with two or three memorable set pieces. Otherwise this is a case of 'what might have been' rather than what is. It's flat, dramatically turgid - everyone and everything feel like cardboard cut-outs being moved around - and as an adaption of the the source material - well, i'm sure what Lynch intended can only be found on the cutting room floor.
There's still two versions - one with Lynch's name on it, and a longer version directed by the bashful Alan Smithee. Even though I know it's Francis Coppola, I'll still never watch Supernova. Besides, Captain Eo was crap, the man can't do sci-fi. But, I digress!
Love David Lynch movies and Twin Peaks. Love the original Star Wars trilogy. But thank goodness he didn't direct Return of the Jedi. Have no idea why George Lucas would have thought to ask him in the first place.
Well at that point Lynch had only done Eraserhead and The Elephant Man which was incredibly successful. Similar to Lucas himself who had done the super Arthouse THX1138 and then the successful American Graffiti. So I can very much see why he wanted Lynch as he was essentially in the same position Lucas was when he made the first film - obviously not knowing Lynch would continue down the Arthouse direction for the rest of his career.
Lucas asking David Lynch to direct Return Of The Jedi was because he was not allowed to use a director who was a member of the USA Directors Union.Lynch was not a union member neither was Richard Marquand.It was due to Lucas putting the actors and production credits at the end of the films,Union Guild did not like that.
It was Jodorowsky's Dune that brought together all the talent that was carried over to Dan O'Bannon's Alien. HR Giger, Moebius, Chris Foss and Ron Cobb to name a few.
There is a fan made extended cut of the film that is very professionally done and gives it a better flow. I've always been a fan of Lynch's Dune ever since I seen it as a child, there are some incredible sci-fi visuals and ideas, it's a shame he didn't get final cut.
I think if you’re going to do the books justice and adhere strictly to them, it couldn’t be done as a big screen film but as a Netflix or Amazon series. A season for each book.
At least David Lynch's version didn't leave out the word 'jihad' which is all over the Frank Herbert June novels, as Villeneuve's version strips it of all the Islamic/Arabic terminology.
It's a beautiful mess and i love it for it's weirdness and and grotesk ideas. Villeneuve made the better movie and the better adaptation of the source material, of course. By far.
Everyone says it doesn't make sense, especially if you haven't read the books, but it made sense to me when I watched it for the first time last night - or did I actually not understand it, but just thought I did? Anyway, really liked it, even if some bits are quite silly and the space ship effects are oddly worse than Blakes 7. Some amazing and disturbing scenes, great set design, and admirable cast, especially Sian Phillips.
Haven't read the book and struggled with the complexity of the characters backgrounds and motives especially as no subtitles on the DVD version I watched. I do believe however that if you understand how planet earth really works and the 'currency' that is traded here amongst the hidden ptb then you will instantly get the message of this film. 'Fear is the mind killer' is so relevant today..
I really enjoyed Mr lynchs version it made me chuckle in places like you say it was totally bonkers really busting to watch the new one lunch said it nearly made him give up film making thank God it didn't because I rate lost highway and elephant man in my top 5 films ever made and the new twin peaks was a master piece absolute xxx
Bonkers but it's all right. It's beautiful in places. I love the shot showing all the ships going into the navigators' mother ship. Great fun watching the acting talent do their thing and Virginia Madson looks lovely in it.
Best scene in the new one was the introduction of the Sardaukar and seeing Soz from Dead Man's Shoes egging them on (edit: Neil Bell). Got to see a little of how they 'process' their society on Salusa Secundus. I wonder if a guild Navigator will fold him like space like Richard did with bullies. How I feel anyway. P.s looking forward to your review. I don't think I've seen many point out the nod to the Lynch soundtrack near the end... or I could have been on spice and imagined it. Best regards.
Sting was originally supposed to be completely naked, like without the winged undies, but it wasn't filmed in order to avoid R rating. They were about to scrap the scene, until Sting supposedly came up with the idea of the winged undies to hide his willy from the camera.
No-one has watched 👀 😳 lynch's dune as I have I smoked so much weed and that movie played endlessly on my mitsubishi studio monitor the most expensive midnight movie I still love it but the weed really helps o god good times
I honestly wish the absolute best for the Denis Villeneuve film, not only because Villeneuve gets the source material so deeply but is just an exceptional artist in every respect, but Jodorowsky’s unmade film does not interest me in the slightest. Not only would it have completely ruined the pint of the Dune books, but that rape comment Jodorowsky made with regards to it I just can’t get over. Definitely a narcissistic misogynist and I seriously doubt he could ever have realistically been made in a watchable manner.
Lynch's movie is passably interesting, probably mostly to those who have read the novel but aren't fanatical about it as some kind of sacred sci-fi text. The movie does feel rushed and truncated in several parts and some of the choices are good, while others are just strange. The novel itself is far from perfect (the villains are really just cartoons, for one thing), but the movie is a serious attempt at an adaptation, warts and all.
@@OrtegaSeason - I think that's true as well, and that it's likely that the adaptations are panned, at least in part, to compensate for the unpopular truth that the novel isn't fantastic in the larger sense. In order to be truly great, a Dune movie would actually have to be better written than the book itself.
I completely disagree. David Lynch's Dune worked. He did a wonderful job at adapting this 'unfilmable' movie as it has been rightfully described for decades. He did it back in the early days before CGI and computer animations and he did it in Churubusco Studios down in Mexico, which was even more Incredible. The original Lynch Dune has this Gothic-Rococo style which gives the film its particular flair and retro vintage style which is completely absent in the new Villenueve Dune, a too minimalist looking film with aseptic sceneries, settings and modular architecture. Also noting that Villenueve's version carries a lot of similarities in the chosing of the cast and sets used in the film with those used in his previous film 'Blade Runner 2049' The cast in Lynch version, including Sting, was incredible. The late Dean Stockwell as 'Dr Wellington Yueh', Jurgen Prochnow as 'Duke Leto Atreides', Sean Young as 'Chani', cinema monsters like Max von Sydow as 'the Judge of the Change', Kenneth McMillan as 'Baron Vladimir Harkkonen', Linda Hunt as the 'Shadaut Mapes', Jose Ferrer as 'Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV', Francesca Annis as 'Lady Jessica', as well as other fantastic actors like Brad Dourif like the crazy ass mentant 'Piter De Vries', Patrick Stewart as 'Gurney Halleck', and even lovely Virginia Madsen as 'Princess Irulan' were all magnificent choices for the roles.
Yeah, there is a lot of cool stuff in Lynch's Dune, visually speaking. The edit just gets more and more appalling over time and the film falls apart very quickly.
I watched a 3h version of Lynch’s Dune in the late 90s on a terribly atrocious multi generation vhs. All the extra scenes had no fx so the fremen had normal eyes etc. I really love the film though, particularly the soundtrack.
I agree some of the visuals are stunning, the baroque set design interesting, costumes are okay, soundtrack better than expected. But the dialogue is cringe worthy at times and the pacing is all over the place which makes it very confusing especially for those that haven't read the book.
Dune is set what like 10,000 years in the future, beyond our understanding of space and time? It kinda makes sense that it shouldn't make complete sense right? That things will be weird. The new Dune is altogether too simple, too familiar, like so many of the sci fi movies of the last decade.
'80s Dune looks great but is a mess to follow if you haven't read the book. The soundtrack is good when they left Brian Eno to get on with it but is craptastic when Toto are allowed to come out to play. Bugged the crap out of me that the Baron was not a cherubic psychopath. Heartplugs and pustules completely unecessary and the pustule thing is illogical if you think about it given the level of technology they have available.
I saw both Denis Villeneuve's Dune, and I much prefer the 1984 David Lynch film. Lynch's Dune has beautiful sets and costumes, a great soundtrack by Toto and Brian Eno, and just an amazing cast. It is also surprisingly faithful to the book, and the few changes and additions that Lynch did make (like the Weirding Modules and the Harkonnen heart plugs) fit seamlessly into Frank Herbert's universe. There are also little touches for the die-hard fans of the book like the Harkonnens all having red hair, etc., that show just how much David Lynch researched the material before writing the screenplay. Denis Villeneuve's Dune is a dark, ugly looking and sounding film that is missing characters like the Emperor, Princess Irulan and Feyd Rautha, makes needless gender-swapping of a major character in Dr. Kynes for absolutely no reason at all, and only adapts half of the book ending after Paul has killed Jamis, and then he, his mother and the Fremen wander off into the desert (but not before a ridiculous bad shot of a Fremen riding a sandworm). I don't even remember seeing a Third Stage Guild Navigator folding space in the movie. Needless to say, as a fellow Montrealer, I was ver disappointed by Denis Villeneuve's film
This film is truly rubbish. I've seen it several times and that last viewing I fell asleep. I like bits like floaty Harkonen wartface being a loon and maybe some other stuff. Oh, and the great acting talent giving it a go. But there's really not a lot going for it. The battle at the end looks like it was filmed in two different locations on different days and had no context with itself. It was painful to watch. Thank god Denis V made his version.
If you're talking about the pronunciation of "Jodorowsky", it's anybody's guess as how to pronounce a now-French Spanish-speaking Chilean filmmaker with a Polish name... Kermode pronounces it as it would be pronounced in Chile (and in Hispanophone countries generally), but in French, its pronunciation is different. Its natural pronunciation would be different again in English and I'm certain it would be different in Polish and in German too...
I always had a soft spot for it, visually arresting and a brilliant soundtrack.....
I have a soft spot for it. The music is aces. There's a lot to like and I saw it before reading the book. Then read the book and you know what, I still like it... it's not perfect but there's a lot to like and I actually do think it works as a stand alone film.
Same!
I personally don't think the music fits at all, but the music is nice on its own, I've watched the film 2 times now and personally I think it's one of the 'so bad it's good' type films, it has its charm but it's not exactly a good film lol. There are a lot of things about it that I really dislike though and even watching it from a laughable perspective are annoying, like the battle sequences going on for too long or the tone being really off between the music and the visuals. That's just my opinion.
Similar story. I watched it as a kid and I loved it as a visual treat although it was virtually incomprehensible then (and now). Having read the book I can fill in the gaps and differences in the movie. It’s a beautiful mess of a movie with an atmosphere that only Lynch could create. Overall I love it even despite its faults and some images and scenes stick with me even now.
I’ve got a soft spot for the David Lynch version
I would go so far as to say that Lynch's Dune is visually sumptuous. Truly strong moments like the stuff with the Harkkonens are few and far between, but all of the architecture and costumes and creature designs are an absolute treat.
the Baron was brilliant, rarely has a more vile, disgusting, horrible character been committed to cinema. Not per the book though.
The effects were terrible however.
If ILM did that part it would be impossible to deny!
@@whattheactualfk9190 I find them spotty. Apparently they were dealing with frequent brown-outs in Mexico City, which explains some of it.
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OMG the guild ship arriving at Arrakis!
Dime store shit that can't be excused!
They had the money, but the producers were assholes...
I think the Harkonnens, cartoons that they are, are the weakest link in both the novel and any adaptation of it, and they really serve to undermine the entire story by dragging it down to their two-dimensional level as antagonists.
I know it's much maligned, but I actually have a soft spot for it, and it does have some iconic moments that have truly stuck with me over the years.
“Winged pair of undercrackers” 😂
Mr Happy?
"Feyd.....lovely Feyd.....and when we've crushed the baffled viewers enough...I'll send you....Mr. Kermode"
I was born in 1972 and my first exposure to Dune was the Dune (1984) movie. I loved it, and It made perfect sense to me.
Change the year of birth to 1971 and I could cut and paste that comment as my own.👍
This version of Dune is my guilty pleasure 😉
I love Dune. I watched it as a kid and had no trouble following the plot. Atreides, They're the good blokes. Space nun. Maybe bad but Paul's mum is a Space nun. Box. Mind over matter. Got it. Harkonens. OK they're definitely bad guys. Fremen. OK they're the real good guys. Got it. Giant worms. Paul is Jesus. Harkonens are dead. The end.
Hey, spoilers!!
@@Richard_Jones I hope to Shai Hulud you're kidding. It's been out nearly 40 years and that's just the movie.
@@clungeest By Shai Hulud, I guess you mean Big Daddy Wiggles?
@@Richard_Jones Usul called a big one
@@clungeest That's what she said.
Truly bonkers & great in equal measure. I love the casting. Brad Dourif as Piter, a Yorkshireman as Gurney & Big Ed as a Fremen. Looks amazing & sounds amazing. I’m glad Lynch had a go at it. High hopes for Denis’ take on the book.
It’s a beautiful film that fails in heroic fashion to display the entirety of the book. So many memorable scenes and a great score. Brilliant!
DUNE 1984 made perfect sense to me. We need a director's cut.
Lynch has totally disowned the film, so that won’t happen. I do suggest you search for the Spice Diver edit (it’s on UA-cam). It’s has most; if not all of the cut scenes reintroduced (the collecting of the water of life, the fight with Jamis etc) & some minor editing changes, such as splitting it into three acts much like the first Dune novel.
That was discussed and discarded in Kermode’s review
I don't care what the others say. I thought it was very atmospheric and unique.
I unironically love the Lynch version. The Guild Navigator sequence is amazing. The Harkonnen aesthetic is basically Trump's interior decorator on very bad acid. Toto's only decent music. The guitar crashing in as Paul rides the worm. Just totally insane.
A film the likes of which not even God could conceive
The Denis Villeneuve adaptation is "epic vanilla" in comparison
I disagree with Mark Kermode. I hadn't read the book but when I saw the film back when it was first released, I did understand it. Yes there were strange scenes but the film had the tagline "a world beyond your imagination". My mind was open and I saw a spectacle. It isn't perfect but it is a damn good ride.
Just watched Dune 2021. And prefer the 80s Dune
What can I say, Dune 1984 is my fav movie of all time, no excuses, it just is.
It's my #2, next to #1 Big Trouble in Little China
@@jamessmith7205 great movie, you must have grown up on Monkey and Shogun Assassin then :]
@@LeeHobbies funny, yesssss, Lone Wolf and Cub (shogun series) , is in my top as well!
Same here lee. It just is mine too. So epic and beautiful beautiful moments. As Paul’s dream unfolds it’s just great.
After listening to the audiobook, I watched David Lynch's version on streaming. Its an average adaptation. It gets things right and wrong. By the time Paul and Lady Jessica meet the Freman, it just rushes to the end. The music, costumes, production design and some of the casting are great though. I'd love to see an extended director's cut with restored special effects, music, etc. I've seen a lot of the deleted scenes on UA-cam and if inserted with care, the movie would be improved. However, I doubt it will ever happen.
Well, there is an extended cut (4 hrs roughly) and its on here too!
The production design is beyond reproach. It ain't Giger, but it's still great. Good casting choices, gorgeous cinematography by veteran Freddie Francis, and Sting in a black leather codpiece. Not to mention an odd contraption with a kitty in a box. And lots of, er, boils.
I loved it. Got me to read the book. Then I understood why people who'd read the book hated it. But I still love it.
The new Dune is amazing. Watch on the biggest screen possible.
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It’s one of those rare contradictory films that it is one one level, very visually interesting, and yet excruciating in execution. There are things I like in, the production design as stated, the soundtrack is certainly memorable, elements that make you want to watch it. I’ll find myself trying to watch It from time to time, but I can only get through maybe 20 min installments tops before I’ve had enough. The ASMR whispering, the numerous WTF moments. Straight up baffling, but you never don’t soon forget it.
Coming from someone who read all the books twice and recently listened to the Audibles, I actually liked the David Lynch version, the visuals and design are incredible, in places pretty much how I imagined them from the books, I see it as more a stage pantomime than a film and it also has one of the great movie scores. In all, the guts of the Joseph Campell...hero story is all there and I enjoy it each time, it's actually one of the few DVDs I bought and still watch from time to time.
I am glad Jodorowsky's Dune wasn't made, the Hollywood execs in their wisdom said NO!!!, psychedelics write bad films, unless of course, the audience are also on them.
Honest question: can someone explain to me what in the Lynch version allegedly doesn't make any sense or is hard to follow? I saw it for the first time when I was about 13 and it always seemed pretty straightforward to me, I'd even go so far as to say it overexplains certain things. And yes, I have read the books (well, those written by Frank Herbert himself at least).
David Lynch's Dune is not David Lynch's Dune in any version. Just as much as Jodorowsky's Dune David Lynch's Dune doesn't exist. He didn't get final cut and he rightly continues to disown what ended up on screen. Like others have said, what you get is great production design, costumes, music etc along with two or three memorable set pieces. Otherwise this is a case of 'what might have been' rather than what is. It's flat, dramatically turgid - everyone and everything feel like cardboard cut-outs being moved around - and as an adaption of the the source material - well, i'm sure what Lynch intended can only be found on the cutting room floor.
There's still two versions - one with Lynch's name on it, and a longer version directed by the bashful Alan Smithee. Even though I know it's Francis Coppola, I'll still never watch Supernova. Besides, Captain Eo was crap, the man can't do sci-fi. But, I digress!
Love David Lynch movies and Twin Peaks. Love the original Star Wars trilogy. But thank goodness he didn't direct Return of the Jedi. Have no idea why George Lucas would have thought to ask him in the first place.
Well at that point Lynch had only done Eraserhead and The Elephant Man which was incredibly successful. Similar to Lucas himself who had done the super Arthouse THX1138 and then the successful American Graffiti. So I can very much see why he wanted Lynch as he was essentially in the same position Lucas was when he made the first film - obviously not knowing Lynch would continue down the Arthouse direction for the rest of his career.
Lucas asking David Lynch to direct Return Of The Jedi was because he was not allowed to use a director who was a member of the USA Directors Union.Lynch was not a union member neither was Richard Marquand.It was due to Lucas putting the actors and production credits at the end of the films,Union Guild did not like that.
If Kemode did a 2 hour Lynch Doc I'd buy it
It was Jodorowsky's Dune that brought together all the talent that was carried over to Dan O'Bannon's Alien. HR Giger, Moebius, Chris Foss and Ron Cobb to name a few.
David Lynch's Dune isn't so bad it's good. It's so bad it's amazing.
There is a fan made extended cut of the film that is very professionally done and gives it a better flow. I've always been a fan of Lynch's Dune ever since I seen it as a child, there are some incredible sci-fi visuals and ideas, it's a shame he didn't get final cut.
Dune is amazing and has a very creepy atmosphere
I think if you’re going to do the books justice and adhere strictly to them, it couldn’t be done as a big screen film but as a Netflix or Amazon series. A season for each book.
I heard Jodorowsky put a lot of his ideas from Dune into 2 comic books. The Incal and The Metabarons. Really out there but good!
At least David Lynch's version didn't leave out the word 'jihad' which is all over the Frank Herbert June novels, as Villeneuve's version strips it of all the Islamic/Arabic terminology.
It's a beautiful mess and i love it for it's weirdness and and grotesk ideas. Villeneuve made the better movie and the better adaptation of the source material, of course. By far.
Grotesque
@@BoutYoungAnnaLee Yeah, sorry, English is not my first language.
Sting's Winged Underpants.
Can't unsee that shit, man!
Everyone says it doesn't make sense, especially if you haven't read the books, but it made sense to me when I watched it for the first time last night - or did I actually not understand it, but just thought I did?
Anyway, really liked it, even if some bits are quite silly and the space ship effects are oddly worse than Blakes 7. Some amazing and disturbing scenes, great set design, and admirable cast, especially Sian Phillips.
Haven't read the book and struggled with the complexity of the characters backgrounds and motives especially as no subtitles on the DVD version I watched. I do believe however that if you understand how planet earth really works and the 'currency' that is traded here amongst the hidden ptb then you will instantly get the message of this film. 'Fear is the mind killer' is so relevant today..
I really enjoyed Mr lynchs version it made me chuckle in places like you say it was totally bonkers really busting to watch the new one lunch said it nearly made him give up film making thank God it didn't because I rate lost highway and elephant man in my top 5 films ever made and the new twin peaks was a master piece absolute xxx
Thanks for posting! :)
Bonkers but it's all right. It's beautiful in places. I love the shot showing all the ships going into the navigators' mother ship. Great fun watching the acting talent do their thing and Virginia Madson looks lovely in it.
its's a great film. love to see a directors cut.
Best scene in the new one was the introduction of the Sardaukar and seeing Soz from Dead Man's Shoes egging them on (edit: Neil Bell). Got to see a little of how they 'process' their society on Salusa Secundus. I wonder if a guild Navigator will fold him like space like Richard did with bullies.
How I feel anyway.
P.s looking forward to your review. I don't think I've seen many point out the nod to the Lynch soundtrack near the end... or I could have been on spice and imagined it.
Best regards.
Sting was originally supposed to be completely naked, like without the winged undies, but it wasn't filmed in order to avoid R rating. They were about to scrap the scene, until Sting supposedly came up with the idea of the winged undies to hide his willy from the camera.
to hide his "sandworm" then.
@@thiscorrosion900 in other word, yes
That floating fat man was seriously gay for Sting. Well love is love and not Feyd away.
Stylistically at least the Villeneuve film owes something (not all of course) to Lynch's.
No-one has watched 👀 😳 lynch's dune as I have I smoked so much weed and that movie played endlessly on my mitsubishi studio monitor the most expensive midnight movie I still love it but the weed really helps o god good times
I honestly wish the absolute best for the Denis Villeneuve film, not only because Villeneuve gets the source material so deeply but is just an exceptional artist in every respect, but Jodorowsky’s unmade film does not interest me in the slightest. Not only would it have completely ruined the pint of the Dune books, but that rape comment Jodorowsky made with regards to it I just can’t get over. Definitely a narcissistic misogynist and I seriously doubt he could ever have realistically been made in a watchable manner.
Lynch's movie is passably interesting, probably mostly to those who have read the novel but aren't fanatical about it as some kind of sacred sci-fi text. The movie does feel rushed and truncated in several parts and some of the choices are good, while others are just strange. The novel itself is far from perfect (the villains are really just cartoons, for one thing), but the movie is a serious attempt at an adaptation, warts and all.
I personally think one of the main flaws of the film, shallow characterisation, is also a flaw in the book.
@@OrtegaSeason - I think that's true as well, and that it's likely that the adaptations are panned, at least in part, to compensate for the unpopular truth that the novel isn't fantastic in the larger sense. In order to be truly great, a Dune movie would actually have to be better written than the book itself.
How can this be, for he is the kwidsatz haderach. Great bit.
Don't forget the later TV adaptation....
I completely disagree. David Lynch's Dune worked. He did a wonderful job at adapting this 'unfilmable' movie as it has been rightfully described for decades. He did it back in the early days before CGI and computer animations and he did it in Churubusco Studios down in Mexico, which was even more Incredible.
The original Lynch Dune has this Gothic-Rococo style which gives the film its particular flair and retro vintage style which is completely absent in the new Villenueve Dune, a too minimalist looking film with aseptic sceneries, settings and modular architecture. Also noting that Villenueve's version carries a lot of similarities in the chosing of the cast and sets used in the film with those used in his previous film 'Blade Runner 2049'
The cast in Lynch version, including Sting, was incredible. The late Dean Stockwell as 'Dr Wellington Yueh', Jurgen Prochnow as 'Duke Leto Atreides', Sean Young as 'Chani', cinema monsters like Max von Sydow as 'the Judge of the Change', Kenneth McMillan as 'Baron Vladimir Harkkonen', Linda Hunt as the 'Shadaut Mapes', Jose Ferrer as 'Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV', Francesca Annis as 'Lady Jessica', as well as other fantastic actors like Brad Dourif like the crazy ass mentant 'Piter De Vries', Patrick Stewart as 'Gurney Halleck', and even lovely Virginia Madsen as 'Princess Irulan' were all magnificent choices for the roles.
I read the book, saw the film and mainlythought "nice try." Its not as bad as some people seem to want you to think.
I loved it. Always have. Seen it several times. Also, my name is a killing word. 🤫
Yeah, there is a lot of cool stuff in Lynch's Dune, visually speaking. The edit just gets more and more appalling over time and the film falls apart very quickly.
I watched a 3h version of Lynch’s Dune in the late 90s on a terribly atrocious multi generation vhs. All the extra scenes had no fx so the fremen had normal eyes etc. I really love the film though, particularly the soundtrack.
The original can only be completed with the accompaniment of a peculiarly inhaled substance!
Great movie score by Toto
Thought it was like pulling teeth
Dune was a mystery wrapped in a riddle served as a steaming turd on a silver plate.
I agree some of the visuals are stunning, the baroque set design interesting, costumes are okay, soundtrack better than expected. But the dialogue is cringe worthy at times and the pacing is all over the place which makes it very confusing especially for those that haven't read the book.
Tbf some of the dialogue in the book is pretty cringe.
Ok costumes? Wow you're hard to please
Apparently Lynch only made this movie so he could fund Blue Velvet.
David Lynch's Dune was good not perfect but pretty good. Villeneuve's Dune will be more intriguing because he likes to let the picture talk.
Is it true that Sting invented Reggae?
I actually really like the Lynch version. He got right what Denise actually missed.
Not sure I agree that Lynch's Dune doesn't make sense. I just think it's a bit shite!
I hated almost every second of it but the soundtrack was decent and it had an unintentionally hilarious quality to it.
A fallen angel
Dune is set what like 10,000 years in the future, beyond our understanding of space and time? It kinda makes sense that it shouldn't make complete sense right? That things will be weird. The new Dune is altogether too simple, too familiar, like so many of the sci fi movies of the last decade.
Here’s a modern trailer for the 1984 dune, made with love: ua-cam.com/video/9mvs0pjedRY/v-deo.html
This man likes The Last Jedi.
'80s Dune looks great but is a mess to follow if you haven't read the book. The soundtrack is good when they left Brian Eno to get on with it but is craptastic when Toto are allowed to come out to play.
Bugged the crap out of me that the Baron was not a cherubic psychopath. Heartplugs and pustules completely unecessary and the pustule thing is illogical if you think about it given the level of technology they have available.
I saw both Denis Villeneuve's Dune, and I much prefer the 1984 David Lynch film. Lynch's Dune has beautiful sets and costumes, a great soundtrack by Toto and Brian Eno, and just an amazing cast. It is also surprisingly faithful to the book, and the few changes and additions that Lynch did make (like the Weirding Modules and the Harkonnen heart plugs) fit seamlessly into Frank Herbert's universe. There are also little touches for the die-hard fans of the book like the Harkonnens all having red hair, etc., that show just how much David Lynch researched the material before writing the screenplay. Denis Villeneuve's Dune is a dark, ugly looking and sounding film that is missing characters like the Emperor, Princess Irulan and Feyd Rautha, makes needless gender-swapping of a major character in Dr. Kynes for absolutely no reason at all, and only adapts half of the book ending after Paul has killed Jamis, and then he, his mother and the Fremen wander off into the desert (but not before a ridiculous bad shot of a Fremen riding a sandworm). I don't even remember seeing a Third Stage Guild Navigator folding space in the movie. Needless to say, as a fellow Montrealer, I was ver disappointed by Denis Villeneuve's film
Did u even read the Books ?
This film is truly rubbish. I've seen it several times and that last viewing I fell asleep. I like bits like floaty Harkonen wartface being a loon and maybe some other stuff. Oh, and the great acting talent giving it a go. But there's really not a lot going for it. The battle at the end looks like it was filmed in two different locations on different days and had no context with itself. It was painful to watch. Thank god Denis V made his version.
No Lynch Dune, no 40k. Simple as that.
Kermode doesn't even try to pronounce names correctly.
If you're talking about the pronunciation of "Jodorowsky", it's anybody's guess as how to pronounce a now-French Spanish-speaking Chilean filmmaker with a Polish name...
Kermode pronounces it as it would be pronounced in Chile (and in Hispanophone countries generally), but in French, its pronunciation is different. Its natural pronunciation would be different again in English and I'm certain it would be different in Polish and in German too...
@@PeloquinDavid No, I was talking about the real directors.
HR Gigger
This is not a review...
The film is great, people are dumb
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Its a great film. I don't need commode and mayonnaise with their nonsense dialogue.
David Lynch is overrated - he cannot make a film without pretensions.
Not much of a review.