Test Schoeps V4 vers Neumann M 149 vers Neumann TLM 107 vers Neumann TLM 49 vers Brüel&Kjaer 4006
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This is a comparison test of five voice microphones: Neumann M 149 vers. Neumann TLM 107 vers. Neumann TLM 49 vers. Brüel&Kjaer 4006,
2:16 Schoeps V4U, 3:29 Neumann TLM 107, 4:42 Neumann TLM 49, 5:54 Neumann M 149, 7:07 Brüel & Kjaer 4006
on an example of "Times They Are A-Changing" made in Oct. 2014 at Klangscheune, the recording hall of Acustica studio in Lottstetten-Nack, Germany, www.acustica-studio.de
Let's be real....Your room is amazing! The natural verb is unreal
sounds like shit. you never want to record wet like this.
2:17 V4 U
3:30 TLM 107
4:43 TLM 49
5:55 M 149
7:08 4006
I loved the Schoeps, but the 107 sounds amazing too.
ive recorded in several studio with amazing treatment and variances amd the 107 and 49 are my faves i owned every Neumann to date and prefer the Shure ksm44 and the tlm107 or tlm49 for my voice
@@modernerainvestments1298 what is best for vocal tlm107 or 49?
Shoeps killed em all. M149 sounds nice too
Shoeps just sounded right right. Was suprised by great BruelKjaer but donno the price ratio. Dont like 107, ok with 49 and good deal with load of headroom of 149
Love the Schoeps and the Brüel. I think they both stand out differently
Nice voice for real! Amazing
kann mich nur wiederholen, vielen vielen dank für das Video! hier gefiel mir die TLM 107 sehr gut, sowie die TLM 49, aber das 4006 hat auch irgendwie was besonderes
Danke, tolles Video.
I like Schoeps v4 on voice.....the best for me!
The Schoeps is my fav of them. Fits your voice very well. But I really liked the natural sound of the 107 as well. Could use some EQ in your case though, but it's really nice and probably the most bang for the buck of those mics.
The Schoeps is incredible... i need it xD after hearing the Schoeps v4u all other mics sound strange :D
I really likes the Neumann M 149. It's so rich.
Thanks a lot.
very nice , like the classic guitar comparison, I am favoring the M149.....but please consider doing the same test with a female voice...for me much tougher test for a mic than males,
Schoeps and M149 are the flattest and realistic one, to me there no doubt they are winners, just a superior category than the 107 and 49 which are brighter in a suspicious way. M149 to me sound pleasing than the schoeps but that just a matter of taste.
If I had to mix this as a travk, I will choose the TLM 107. It has the flatest response. I like the M149 too. The rest will require some EQ.
esses are too un-natural
Personally, I'd select the M149 over any of the other Microphones for three very obvious reasons.…
a) The articulation of the instrument (guitar) is clearly more "transient" and subjectively perceived as more "lively" with the M149 as compared to the mid-range dullness of the TLM107 or TLM49. Additionally, the "roundness of tone" you perceive through the M149 imparts a very "musical" and "tonally denser" image which occurs as consequence of the tube circuitry. Of course there are many transformer coupled microphones that would likewise manage to reproduce the transient character of this instrument properly or let's say sufficiently
b) The voice seems to sit tighter in the image and does not swing out of control as compared to some of the competitors. Neither do I perceive the vocal part as overly aggressive as with the Shoeps V4. The "smoother" character of the M149 would not require me to process the vocal part too much.
c) We are looking at "Acoustic Music" aren't we ? This means we either want an "authentic" representation of the sound sources or a "musical" one. Considering the players interpretation and accentuation plus the venues acoustical properties and both in regards to the "plausibility of the Auditory Scene" - I can only repeat that the M149 would be my first choice.
But Jan Zacek's choice of microphone is actually what really interest me - because he is a "Tonmeister" and therefore fully aware of all the "acoustic variables" of the room and the present microphones. So if you don't mind Jan, please enlighten me as to what microphone you would select for this very session. Also thank you very much for this great video, it helped me to put some of the newer Neumann's into perspective.
+Fiasco Seven
a) I don't think you can really judge the musical part in this way as all the mics tested were paired with the small diaphragm condensers for a more "clear" high frequency sound and articulation. Simply moving them slightly or changing to a different model may bring a completely different feel to the overall sound.
b) It all depends on the voice and what you're going for. Tubes always had the softest and most pleasant sound right out of the mic :D
c) Blind tests prove that authenticity means something completely different to each person and like you said... M149 would be your choice because it sounds best to YOU. I've made mine with the TLM 107 and I'm very happy with my choice :D
BTW. You can't really say "for obvious reasons". I encourage you to seek out a video where 5 or 6 audio professionals with more than 10 years in the recording industry under their belts judge the U87 and U87i - half of them completely contradict the other half in their opinions just because each of them hears the sound differently :D
+Artemis *Seven*
In response to the small diaphragm condenser being paired up with a large condenser...
Small diaphragm condensers in general happen to have a higher level of accuracy in the high frequency range - yet on the other side small condensers eventhough they are accurate in the lower frequency ranges as well - they do lack the fullness or roundness of tone you would usually retrieve from a large condenser. My point is that you can still judge the tonal response characteristics of the large condensers in this configuration on the basis of acoustic variables like opulence, roundness of tone, warmth, resonant depth, balance and it's foundedness which is the ability to reproduce an extended frequency range that should ideally support the tune with fundamental frequencies.
Transformerless microphone choice....
I fully understand engineers like you who pursue the tranformerless strategy for several reasons. Transparency (Truthfulness) Dynamic Range, S/N ratio and the extended Low/High frequency response which particularly suits instruments like Acoustic Pianos or Standing Basses, etc. Their ability to capture sound stages accurately is remarkable and the difference is real and tangible.
Tranformer-coupled / Tube microphone choice....
When capturing an instrument like the steel stringed guitar, one should consider the nature of the instrument. The guitar is defined as a percussive instrument that does not have an extended low frequency range. This fact along with the transient character of the instrument will persuade me into looking into transformer-coupled microphone like the UM70, KM84 or, 460B first, before looking at tube designs or transformerless ones. The reproduction of a stroked steel stringed guitar should in my personal "subjective" opinion attribute to some crispness which of course is nothing other than "analog distortion". Analog distortion is best derived primarily (in this century at least) by transformers and only secondly by tube designs. In simple terms, a transformer-coupled microphone similarly to a tube microphone will manage to intensify the lower and upper mid-ranges which gains the acoustic guitar some presence. But the feasibility of this strategy of course depends on the sound you are after, the Mono-/Stereo image you try to reproduce on top of many other factors - and therefore will vary.
If the microphone responds to sensitive and silent information like the guitar's resonances emanating from the guitar's body - while likewise capturing the high frequency shimmer of the string's sustain and likewise providing a sufficient amount of string separation and attack, I'm pleased. An array of recording techniques can be applied to capture a specific sound source, but will depend on many variables including the venue and the arrangement itself, the preamps in use - and as you mentioned your personal preference will also influence your decision making.
Jan's voice / The arrangement....
Jan has a strong and hard voice with real resonant depth. Especially the depth of his vowels is stunning. The TLM107 manages to flatten out the strong and explosive character excellently, while at the same time providing "size" and "opulence". Again I have no doubts about the qualities of this microphone and the tonal response characteristics are nothing short of amazing. But in order to intensify the depth of his voice and to maintain the song's nature, while at the same trying to reproduce the instrument's characteristics as pleasing and sensible as I can - which are all subjective matters, please allow me to stick to my M149 choice.
+Fiasco Seven
First of all I applaud you for taking the time to express your point of view in-depth because of my simple UA-cam comment :D
I apologize if you felt like my comment was undermining your right to personal preference - namely the M149.
My only goal was to point out that judging microphones by watching a UA-cam video, without seeing the rest of the setup and considering the compression YT forces on both video and sound uploads is quite meaningless.
I myself am probably subconsciously biased towards the TLM107 as I happen to own one and I love how it sounds whether it's connected to a cheap analog mixer or a high-end tube preamp.
Thanks again for a well written response. Those have seem to become very rare in the age of the internet.
The Schoeps sounds excellent as an overall recording it has a lot of character. M149 sounds great on the voice but let down by slight "dullness on guitar" The other 2 don't seem to come close for me.
thank you very much. I can agree with you!
Thanks for the video and man you're setup is out of this world! I'm hesitant between buying the TLM 49 and the 107! Mostly as my main large diaphragm condenser. My choice can range from soft whispers to flamenco screaming! And the screaming part is an issue with mics like the RODE NT2A it's painful for the ear, and when I've used a Sennheiser MD 421 something was missing! What's your take on that? What do you recommend the TLM 49 or TLM 107? And would you consider something like the "Slate Digital VMS"? Danke
107 are amazing i own it amd a ksm44 its amazing as well
With the exception of the Schoeps and the B&K the differences between the Neumanns are subtle enough that my opinion of which one is the best changes based upon my monitoring source. I suspect if you swapped positions with the mics that might change my opinion too. They all sounded great. Also... wonderful performance (there's a lot of cringe-worthy mic comparison performances out there). And that room... (drools a little)
Dear Jan, thank you for posting all these useful videos. The natural acustic of your hall is fantastic and you are a wonderful musician and engeneer. Schoeps V4 is great and so the M149. Obviously all depend from taste but there is certainly a reason if they are industry standards. Let me ask you more about the TLM 107. I don't know. Everybody agree is really a great mic especially for string instruments, a kind of blend between small and large condenser mics, but noone says it totally convinced. There is always, yes is good but...it's not like its more expensive colleagues. I am curious if this comes by the psychological fact that expensive means good, or it is really cheap in terms of quality. Have you tried it in classical music recordings? I am particularly interested to know if you have tested as a main pair and which is your opinion in comparison with Schoeps CMC62 or Sennheiser MKH 8020 or 800. Listening samples on youtube, its sonid character sounds to me pretty close to the AKG 414 XLS B. Versatile, easy to position, good enough on everything you put on but not outstanding in anything, but I am curious to know your opinion. Thank you and congratulations again!
I OWN THE 107 I LOVE IT ICE OWNED ALOTTTT OF MICS BUT THE 49 AND THE 107 AND KSM44 BY SHURE ARE MY FAVES
tlm 49 or tlm 107 ?
@@demon-ll9eg which microphon did you buy tlm 107 or 49 , , how is best?
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TLM 49 had no real weakness Love it.... Schoeps has gorgeous clean modern sound.. love it. the 107 was horrible on that Martin, M149 muddies the Martin but his voice is exceptional, B&K just too thin on everything
Now I also love the M149 on the Martin.. sounds more vintage :-)
thaks for ur great info.does it have diffrent between u87 and tlm107? which one sounds better? regards
Ehsan kl Oh yes, there are significant differences between Neuman U 87 and Neumann TLM 107. I think U87 is the better one.
tlm 49 or tlm 107 ?
love the bottom end on the Schoeps
I like the TLM 107 best on your voice here. It has more body and seems to bring out more of your chest and less of your nose.
V4 is the cleanest & natural, others are colored.
My favorite mic is the TLM 49. I use it for nearly all solo voices and it is great in a mix. What do you think about U 87 and AKG 414 (sorry) ? I did some great records with both mics.
Thank you for your feedback! Yes, I agree with you. TLM 49 is great in mixes. About 2 years ago I made a comparison test, U 87 and AKG C 414 BE were also included. Quite a lot of people say U 87 is the best mic ever. However, I think
U 87 might be the most overrated mic in the history of recordings. I am not saying it is bad, of course it is good, I used it several times, but my experiences with recordings showed me that even Neumann has produced significantly better mics. For example TLM 49 was definitely clearer in a mix in this test and I think the performance of the microphone in a mix is one of the most important issues. I consider AKG C414 as one of those excellent world class mics. I use them sometimes.
@@MrAlumnito which one u think will be better for spoken words tlm 107 or u87 ai
Bless you brother, God loves your voice, u should sing to him if you haven't. In Jesus name, 😀😊👐🏻
i dont know the artikulation is a Little stand out in tlm 107. and1 49 are litlle blurey not that cleare in th midle
Thank you very much! What is your favourite for vocal recording?
Hi! Well, Schoeps V4 is really excellent, but Neumann M 149 as well, however in a different way, as tube mic. one should test the right mic for the own voice.
Yes, I found already in the first round the TLM 49 best and the Shoeps second. Also hearing it second time the TLM 107 is simply too thin. Surprising for me. What are you using at the beginning, in the introduction - the Shoeps? And how would you rate the Gefell M930, do you think it would fit to your voice?
P.S. Ein fantastischer Raum, der neidisch macht - aber das wissen Sie natürlich. Übrigens fällt mir auf, dass es gewisse Ähnlichkeiten zwischen uns gibt - und einen gigantischen musikalischen Abstand. Viele Grüße auch von einem Mathematiker, der 1981 den Osten verlassen hat... :)
+Mars Hi, I understand that you are saying TLM 107 is too thin in this comparison. Yes in the intro there is Schoeps V4. I have tried only Microtech Gefell M950, which might be similar. Nice Mic. But in that comparison I liked Neumann M149 and M147 a little bit more.
+MrAlumnito Wie interessant. Welches Land?
+MrAlumnito Polen, Gdansk, als Kind
+MrAlumnito Ok, I see - thank you. Yes, the Neumann tube mics have indeed almost aristocratic sound, kind of... I've also seen that you probably had them in use for example in your other videos (Mary, Nina...). For my use the Gefell and the TLM 49 are ok but in my living room environment the differences are maybe not that huge anyway. For your purposes it´s a completely different story, of course. Wish you all the best!
the B&K just has the most class. sigh. the TLM49 would probably work best in a mix though.
which sounds better for lead vocals tenor, baritone, for home studio tlm 49 107?
Well it's hard to say because it is also a matter of taste and of the voice and of the acoustics of the recording room. Personally I would say tlm 49 is a slightly better for me. Good luck!
@@MrAlumnito Listening to the recording on the monitors, the impression is that the sound of tlm 49 seems to erupt as if behind in the mix, and 107 as if more in front, do I think so?
@@user-uj6yu1jk2b That could be, yes. But I would say that this has relevance for someone who is determined to basically do without any compression when mixing.
@@MrAlumnito good afternoon, please tell me, in a home studio, the prep room is not ideal, which microphone will work better for recording vocals, tlm107 or tlm 49? tlm 49 everyone says that it is vintage, that is, less sharp, warm sound, does it work well, which will be more like U 87?
Geniales und für mich sehr informatives Video. Danke dafür. Vielleicht kannst du mir auch weiterhelfen. Bin für mein kleines Homestudio am überlegen, welches Mikrofon ich mir zu lege. Hänge derzeit zwischen dem Neumann TLM 107 & TLM 49.
Ich produziere hauptsächlich Hip Hop Musik ausgelegt auf Rap und Gesang. Mir wichtig ist sind die natürlichkeit der S-Lauten und ein warmes volumen gefüllter Klang der Stimme. Wäre froh wenn du mir bei dieser Entscheidung helfen könntest. Vielen Dank
6:32 2:54 5:19
What a room! The mics get some help there.
M149
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