Thank you so much Matt, research and editing on this one was tricky and the final result wanted to tell the story with detail. 1985 was a great year for music, not as creative as let's say 1983, but the marriage of MTV, media and artists was in a good place. Later on things got a bit bloated i would say. Happy New Year Matt! Hope you like Episode 11 next week!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Be good if you did more general interest history stories like this rather then the more obscure Ex-yes Zeppelin 81 etc, just a thought
Jonesy was the secret weapon. His contributions need to be remembered! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
I was there, and I can say without question, those in attendance felt a tremendous sense of joy, gratitude, and privilege to hear Zep reunite for the first time. People can crap all over the performance if they chose...my memory of the day was great satisfaction for the moment.
I actually was there. 9 rows back. It was amazing. The crowd was mesmerized by the chance to see Zep. Nothing else matters. No one at the show was criticizing Zeppelin's performance that day. The only disappointment was that they didn't play longer.
I am sure that's how most people viewed it. I was 18 years old and listened to it live on the radio. I didn't care how they sounded....All I knew is that it was LED ZEPPELIN and that was good enough for me.
Exactly. I was at the Atlantic Records Zeppelin reunion at Madison Square Garden 3 years after this. It didn't matter one bit how they played. The Garden went crazy because at 1:30 in the morning, Zeppelin went onstage and played 'till a little after 2. We were seeing Zeppelin with Bonham Jr and it didn't matter ONE BIT how well or poorly they played. We were with Led Zeppelin and they were there with us. It was like The Rapture.
This is a masterwork of research. You have given audiences that watched the Page-Plant-Jones set a new perspective of what happened. I have to add that Live-Aid, especially the "Led Zeppelin Reunion," changed my life. The warts in the performance didn't matter. I was hooked from that day on to Zeppelin and rock music.
Glad you enjoyed my research, a project and labor of love for All Zepp Fans! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
LZ formed during my freshman year of highschool but I became a fan watching their performance at Live Aid. I read Hammer of the Gods published before Live Aid
I was 16 when Led Zep took the stage at Live Aid and I loved every second it, I thought it was the highlight of the day and still do. The heck with the critics! Live Rock and Roll doesn't need to be perfect it just needs to be loud and raise you out of your seat and make you scream. Mission accomplished!
Robert Plant really was like something out of Spinal Tap in the 80's. Imagine seeing Robert Plant live on tour and him singing Jerry Lee Lewis numbers.....You'd think you'd entered a weird parallel universe or something....
Plant’s first solo tour had a stop in Toronto. He avoided Zep material and the furious fans flipped over a bus in frustration on their way out of the stadium grounds.
the fact that many rock musicians have been dismissing and hating on Phil Collins before and after this event was just sad. The guy was inarguably a versatile, musically generous and collaborative and...aside from MJ and Prince and Madonna, he pratically RULED the 80s music.
Absolutely, Phil Collins' range as a musician was incredible. People are funny, musicians tend to praise the "cult status" dudes that never get the money they deserve on their chops. And then, the ones who do, are the bad guys. I think religion and dogma have some of the blame you know? Thank you very much for watching! Hope you enjoy the rest of the series!
In Collin’s autobiography he explains that Plant and him were friends, and Plant had invited him to be the drummer for a Live Aid thing with him and Page. He had agreed and that was supposed to be that. But between then and the show it became a Zeppelin reunion and they had hired a drummer already and rehearsed for a week. When Plant eventually told him, Collins wanted to pull out, but Plant said they could do it with two drummers. Before the show Collins told Thompson they should watch each other and not overplay. But Thompson was not interested, seeing this (rightly) as a huge opportunity for him. So it was kind of Plant’s fault if we are to believe Collins.
Funny hearing Page criticize Collins for his performance. Completely oblivious to his own trainwreck playing. Like Rick James said, cocaine's a helluva drug 😄
@@Studio-62 Collins was already very experienced playing w/ another drummer in Genesis live shows for years before that (and another Thompson.....Chester). I believe he totally knew what he was talking about when he said they should watch each other. The fact that he tried his best to stay out of the way proves he was there for the integrity of the music. As Collins was wont to say elsewhere (and I'm paraphrasing), "If the rest of the band sounds like $#!+, but the drums sound great, it'll be alright. But not the other way around."
Love the way Page rolls his eyes when Plant says I have my own career....yeah well if your first career had not happened there would not have been a second.
Plant can be a jerk no one can change my mind. He acts as if he didn't have problems during the Zep years . He can't blame just Page. Plant never took care of his voice and yes Bonham was the only one at his son's funeral which is TERRIBLE but JPJ was the main cog at getting him back to Zep in 78 for rehearsals for Ittod . Jimmy Page was the Master of Zep his wings totally clipped off in 78 by both Plant and JpJ.
I had no idea there was another drummer playing during this infamous set.. A bizarre and ultimately disastrous decision indeed. Amazing work throughout this series, sir. ❤
I am the absolute biggest fan of Jimmy Page. He seems very together for the last 20 years. I admire him and am very impressed he got his life together post 80’s. But there was a phase there, where I was very worried about him. And, from all my experience with interviews and reflections he’s had, have I ever heard him admit that he was not handling his presentation well during the 80s and till mid 90s. I’m not going to assume what was going on with him, lord knows life happens and you just have to ride the wave out sometimes… But Jimmy Page likes to focus on the technical and business oriented reasons performance didn’t work along the way. He is a very private person and won’t come out and say what was going on with him… Who knows really? We can speculate it was substances, but It might have been health issues… I’m not going to act like I know, because life gets messy. I am just very happy he is well now. I disagree with Phil Collins ‘bad Karma’ Zep talk. Being a musician, I can tell you from my own experience, some bands are very ‘sheet music’, tightly rehearsed machines that you can turn on and off. These tight bands always sound tight and are trustworthy etc. ; Very easy to control if all the parts are working. Zep was a wild animal! It was a bucking bronco you had to either ride out or fall off. Zep played bad a million times, but they also played great a million times. It was the nature of the beast. Zep and the Beatles are probably the two biggest bands and ironically both bands, when in tact became something much greater than their individual parts. The proof is in all the solo recording post break ups. It’s a kind of magic you only find once in a lifetime. It’s really that simple. Once you try to re-create it, that’s where the trouble begins.
Thank you tuning in Robert. Like you, i am a fan of Jimmy and i don't want to get into the substance abuse speculation. I believe he fell to severe depression, after all addiction feeds from depression and trauma. To say he had it rough in 1980 is an understatement. Great stuff you are a musician so we can agree that Zepp is HARD to play as a Band. You are 100% correct. Whenever i get to jam with friends that know of my 15+ years playing Zepp they always, always try to wing it, and i just sit there watching, telling them "oh sure, let's do In My Time Of Dying"....Zepp's material has a lot of CHEMISTRY to it and it's no wonder it's the stuff of nightmares for your average cover band doing 70s playlists. I am also happy Jimmy got out of that personal hell of the 80s. Episode 11 premieres next week!
Jimmy page was heavy into heroin and strung out. This was an embarrassment nothing jimmy page has done in 50 years has been memorable. His low point ? Working with p Diddy on Godzilla. If page was measured by heroin intake then he is a legend. Jimmy page hasn’t done anything good since mid 70s. Case closed
@@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 Yes, he was "strung out", if you insist on using that useless term. His heroin addiction had taken a hold. However, he did make some good music - his Deathwish soundtrack was very good, as was his album with Roy Harper, Whatever Happened To Jugula. Had the best tracks from both albums by The Firm simply been issued as one single album it would have been so much better. His album with Coverdale was excellent. His low point was that tour and live album with these D-listers The Black Crowes - probably one of the worst bands I ever heard with easily the worst singer, bar none, ever. Total dog shit.
Can’t wait for this one. I was at Live Aid in Philadelphia. The crowd of 100,000 were there to see the Led Zeppelin reunion. It didn’t matter if they were under rehearsed. Everyone was happy to see them together performing Led Zeppelin songs. This was their first show in the USA in 8 years. In those 8 years there was a lot of heartbreak for this band. This was a joyous occasion.
Agree with you totally, Ronald. I was there too (hot as hell!), and I will never forget it. Despite the band's opinions about the show, the fans who were there were elated at the moment, and loved it, warts and all.
Ronald that's awesome you were there, from my research i got one thing very clear off the bat, it was a HOT day right? Man was that venue crowded. Hope you dig the episode, its a very special part of the 80s series!
It was extremely hot. It was a clear sunny day with no clouds! The fire department came in and were hosing down the crowd. I was 14 and it truly was one the the best days of my life.
@@ronaldmccloskey8850 I was 21, and it was amazing. It was well into the 90's in temperature in the mid-morning, well over 100 that day, no clouds. I remember guys going to use the restroom, and it was crowded, like a herd of cattle. Inside the men's room, there were guys at the sinks, filling buckets with water, and dumping them on the heads of people in the rest rooms, to keep them from passing out from the heat.
That's the most amazingly detailed pull down of Led Zeppelin's greatest train wreck at Live Aid. Plant, Page, Collins know they haven't done their best. Plant blames the fold back & Jimmy looks totally wasted. Just crazy how Plant has Mick Jagger syndrome desperate to push his own solo tour as if Zep never reformed. It took Coverdale / Page to shake Plant back to reality.
I think you're absolutely correct. That Coverdale/Page album was fantastic, I have no doubt it played a huge part in why Plant decided to work with Page again.
When Page played reverse psychology on Plant going with Coverdale, Robert showed the world his EGO rules his decisions. If i was Page in 2008 i would have publicly gone out and said "I don't wanna reunite with Led Zeppelin ever again" and then start writing songs with Myles Kennedy, bet Robert would have called him up again....
@@davidrice3337: Your comment seems designed to make Robert Plant impressed. He probably won't read it, and he's strong enough to withstand criticism. I trust you've stopped listening to Immigrant Song and the rest of that Zeppelin "bullshit".😅
@@davidrice3337 " Moving forward " into mediocrity. What Plant and Lennon and so many others never seemed to realize, probably because of their over inflated egos, was that groups are often greater than the sum of their parts. I think they made the right decision to disband after Bonham's death. Zeppelin isn't Zeppelin without Bonham. But nothing any of them did subsequently even approaches the brilliance that was Led Zeppelin.
I was a teenager in 1985. It's hard to convey how big an event Live Aid was. So many of the biggest names in music, all-day concerts from two continents, watched live by the world. Nothing like that has been undertaken since.
As a 13 year old Led Zeppelin fanatic I watched this on tv and I thought it was great I think I was going as crazy in my tv room as everyone was at JFK! I was at the show on the 23rd in New Jersey when Jimmy Page came out as a special guest. The place went nuts no Zeppelin songs but they were wearing the same outfits they had on at Live Aid. Robert Plant did start playing Zeppelin songs during his solo shows until 1988. I was there again in NJ and it was incredible. The first song he played was “ In The Evening” and the crowd was singing so loud you could barley hear him.
Wow you were at the NJ show on the 23! SO LUCKY MAN! I bet the deafning roar when Jimmy came to the stage was incredible. Funny how Robert teased you guys with requests, a prankster! Thank you for sharing this!! Thank you for tuning in Vinny! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Absolutely Linda, the 2007 show was very special. From start to finish, the right mindset and proper rehearsal time. I will do a video on it at some point :) Thanks for tuning in Linda, if you haven't please subscribe as it helps my channel big time!
I never thought much of 07. Awesome version of Kashmir, some other cool bits and pieces like For Your Life. But it wasn’t Led Zeppelin. It was a tribute band. What’s the point?
@@Twotontessie Tribute band? LMAO ! HA! Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones & Jason Bonham…No it’s not 💯 Zeppelin but it’s DEFINITELY not 4 random people imitating Zeppelin or as you put it a tribute band. HA!
Excellent video. Who's idea was it that Led Zep needed two drummers ? Collins is no Bonham, but he could have pulled off well enough for a 20 minute set. Having two drummers playing unrehearsed is a recipe for a trainwreck.
Absolutely, 2 drummers , no rehearsal with a full band it's...wing it to say the least hehe. Thank you very much for watching! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
Just to add to what you said about Phil being the hardest worker of the 80s. While I'm sure he probably slept a little bit on the plane, being up for about 24+ hours and travelling to play at 2 shows on either side of the world on the same day took serious bottle. Instead of blaming him for the set, people should instead remember he was the only artist that day who played at both shows.
It was unnecessary and only happened to put a spotlight on himself (Phil). His involvement was counter productive. Two drummers on those songs was a cacophony. Neither drummer knew the songs at all. Jason Bonham would have been better. Maybe Cozy Powell, Simon Phillips, Simon Kirke, Carmine Appice, etc....any of those guys would have been better. Phil's gimic made it impossible for a proper rehearsal. And it was all just rushed.
You gave an excellent musical breakdown of what happened that day. It was no one’s fault. I’m going to give Tony Thompson the benefit of the doubt and say he was probably just over excited. Phil was and is a professional and he was there to support his friend. A really great video!
Thank you so much Kellie, i am happy you enjoyed the trip, it was quite a journey gathering all the bits and pieces. When i was writing the script i was listening to a best of 1985 playlist just to get in the mood. Tony was over excited yes, the strange thing was that he played earlier with the Power Station, you'd think he warmed up by then. BTW, their set is shaky in parts, Thompson was Nervous.
You can see it on any stage all over the world. An under rehearsed band makes a few mistakes, they start second guessing what they do. They start filling in all the spaces to compensate to others' mistakes and it just falls apart. You either say everyone is to blame or no one. With Live Aid, to just blame Phil C is ridiculous
Fantastic episode it brings back so many memories. I was in my junior year in high school at Lake Braddock in Burke, Va. in 1985. Led Zeppelin was my everything. My friends and I were at a lot of the shows in this video. We were front row for the Firm. The best place to get concert tix was a Ticket Master in Crystal City and we camped out. Seeing Jimmie Page in a green laser pyramid with his bow playing Dazed and Confused was epic! That same summer the Beach Boys played on the Mall in DC. John Stamos was still on General Hospital and loved the BB and he was on a 2nd drum kit. Jimmie Page was an odd addition but the crowd went wild. I dropped a tab of acid early in the day and lost my group and wandered the tents on the mall with small acts performing. The first one had to old black bluesmen from Philadelphia. I would swear they were the same to old guys from opening of Dave Chapel’s show years later. Live Aid was one of the greatest memories I have. Madonna had her old nudes in Penthouse and was fully clothed in July heat and joked we had seen enough of her that week 🤣 Black Sabbath reunited with Ozzy, Mick Jagger and Tina Turner w/ Hall & Oates singing back up. I started working my way onto the floor when Thompson Twins were performing and slowly worked my way through the crowd. Some were a little perturbed by me cutting in front of them and when the bigger/scarier of them would say something I told them my girlfriend was upfront and I would spark a bowl and share and continue on. By the time Zeppelin came out I was 20 feet from center stage. Amazing performance. The crowd was on fire! Your documentation of the show was spot on! Your recollection of past performances each band member tapped into jived with my memories of that show. And as someone who was there The drumming was awesome. To be in the presence of those three legends after the abrupt end of the maestro John Bonham was pure joy. We also had 15th row for Robert Plant tour July 31st at the Capital Center. Amazing year and you did it justice. I am smiling ear to ear and had chills remembering that great year. An additional concert that year was Tina Turner “What’s Love Got to do With It?” we were two rows off the floor touching the stage, awesome!
Hey Bruce! Thank YOU so much for watching this very special episode. I was delighted to read your recollections, you really lived this magical decade, a fantastic musical explosion. Your words help me connect with the events so much, i appreciate you taking the time to share. Stay tuned for more videos coming up :)
Great video! I was at Live Aid in Philly...what a day/night. Hot as shit...they would once in a while spray a little firehose shower. We were pretty far up front...I can see my friends and I a few times in the clips that are available on UA-cam. Anyway, Zep sounded soooo bad to us in the crowd. Aside from the inconsistent drums, it simply sounded bad...could barely tell what song they were playing. But regardless, we went crazy...we got to see a little bit of history that day and treasure the memory.
I bet it was hot as hell, how on Earth did you guys manage not to get dehydrated hahah. Every time i watch videos from that concert it's my first thought. Thank you for watching!
OMG it was John? i saw the picture but thought they just met backstage, thank you for shedding light on this mystery, you solved it for me!! Thank you for tuning in Doug! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Thank you so much sir! I appreciate it! This was a tough episode to make gathering the data and such. I'm glad you enjoyed it :) Stay tuned for Episode 11 next week!
I was there in the Audience on the grass in front of the stage, 17 years old with my younger brother 14 and my buddy 17. We weren't old enough to have seen them as Led Zeppelin. I would have seen them if they toured in 1980-81 I had just started going to concerts at that time. They were the reason I bought tickets from a scalper at $80 a piece for general admission. I didn't really care who else was going to be there at the time. Looking back, just about everybody who was anybody was there that day, they even showed some of the Wembley performances on a big diamond board screen. What a show, it lasted so long and we left from South New Jersey, in the early morning hours, ran out of gas in the pine barrens, pitch black, totally unprepared, no cell phone's, had to knock on someone's door in the middle of nowhere at night and got a ride back to my dad's house where we came back with a gas can and we were off again! It was incredibly hot on the lawn and they were hosing us down with fire hoses. When the show was over, we were exhausted. We got back to my buddie's car and my brother and friend instantly fell asleep. I was going to drive home, even though I didn't have a driver's license yet. I caught myself falling asleep on the highway late at night and just pulled into a parking lot somewhere and we all woke up the next morning, and drove back home.
This is wonderful in depth look at the situation around that time. Thank you for all the work you have done here. Such an enjoyable watch Mr JCM. Consider yourself subscribed!
Thanks for this video! The thing that so interesting is that if you just watched Plant, you wouldn’t even realize it wasn’t a great set. He really knows the power of television.
When they came on I called and pledged my $10 or $15 donation. Looking back the set may have left something to be desired but at that moment absolutely nobody cared. Just seeing them together for the first time since Bonham's death was overwhelming for us millions of Zep fans. It was a HUGE HUGE deal and the tightness of the band mattered little.
I don't know where you get your rare Zep videos, and don't tell. Those Plant Honeydrippers and Page XYZ clips are amazing. I'm referring to the whole series. Absolutely no-one has covered the 80's Zeppelin story the way you have. Don't leave out Peter Grant. He basically lost it after Zeppelin's demise, and that deserves much coverage.
I think you might find that Dave Lewis has already documented everything there is to know very well indeed. That's of course only if you're able to read.
@@wyganter Get over your triggered self, you dweeb. Dave Lewis covered all this in way better immaculate detail 30 years ago. But you wouldn't ever know that cos it's news to you.
@@wyganter Yes, you were. Let me remind you that it was yourself who took exception to my alternative information source and what did you do? You turned around as fast as Flynn and offerered offensive insult because YOU were absolutely triggered.
Led Zeppelin is in my DNA. I was lucky enough to see them opening night at Madison Square Garden, 6/7/77. I could not wait for the 1980 tour until Bonham died- on my 17th birthday- September 25. I was desperate to see Zeppelin again and I was fortunate enough to be in JFK Stadium that day for Live Aid. What a day!!! Counting down the time until the Zeppelin reunion. This was before the internet, etc, so we had no idea exactly when they were going to be on stage. When Collins announced Plant, Page, Jones, etc i jumped up and down on the fiberglass bench i had been sitting on since 8AM that morning i was so excited- until i heard a "CRACK" below my feet!! I spent so much energy when they were on stage after it was over i went back into walkway area with a jug of water and just sat on the floor for about 40 minutes, occasionally peaking my head out to see what was happening on stage. Live Aid was over for me. Yeh- the performance was not so great looking back afterwards but the anticipation in the days leading up and the absolute explosion of joy when they took the stage was unparalleled
I can feel the excitement in your words, thank you for sharing your recollection of events. Can't imagine how you felt to actually WATCH them on stage, the performance was a historic moment that deserves much appreciation. Joy, that's what it was!
Yeah, because Plant had, and still has, a successful solo career, unlike washed-up, has-been, Jimmy Page who hasn't done anything worthy of note for over 40 years. All Jimmy Page can do is keep regurgitating the same old, played-out, tedious Dead Zeppelin material. LOL !!!!!!
I had backstage passes to this show in Philly in 1985. There were a number of mistakes not just in Led Zeppelin's part of the show, but also a number of others as well. Believe it or not, that best SOUND of any artists were Duran Duran and the reason was very simple. They used a layer of backing tracks on top of playing live (no other band did that at the time at Live Aid) and they actually sounded like their studio recordings, which was flawless.
If there’s one thing I remember from Live Aid, it’s Simon LeBon butchering A View to a Kill with the bad note heard ‘round the world. He was out of breath the entire performance. Andy Taylor rocked at it though. It was also when he decided he was leaving Duran and they were never the same again.
Wow i did not know this, quite a revelation! Thank you so much for sharing this, so gear wise, many things were sort of improvised or fell under the pressure of expectations? How did backing tracks worked back then, how did they managed with clicks and all? Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I don't know what the actual equipment was, because I couldn't see that far back, however, it was very obvious that the drummer of Duran pressed a button and the clicks heard were very clear as well as all the synth sounds. Being a drummer myself, kind of blew me away because that's the first time I heard backing tracks used live. No other band that day had them and I was there for more then 15 hours at JFK stadium in Philly, front row as well as backstage.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Rush used a lot of Keyboards backing tracks in the 80's, starting in their Grace Under Pressure Tour in 1984, I heard that time that it was sincronized with the drums. But it was a Keyboard Sequencer, not a recording...
@@christiancazabonne You beat me too it. I saw them live a few times and every time some synth was heard that Lee didn't play, I saw him trigger it. Music magazines at the time had interviews where he said it would be easier to add a keyboardist to play instead of triggering samples etc. but 'Then it wouldn't be Rush'. The the best was when we got seats right behind the barriers to Lifeson's left. Nothing between us except a short fence.
Great episode! Watched right before I do a zep cover gig.. makes me excited to play and play better! Tony and Phil are both bad ass drummers! Sounded like Phil didn’t know he was going to play with Tony? Wow… interesting! Regardless; that a very heavy amount of pressure; playing drums at a “Zeppelin reunion” .. in front of a packed stadium … and broadcast around the world .. with basically no proper rehearsal! And …. You are filling in for John Bonham! Come on, these are factors that can easily get the best of anyone! Most have not clue what that pressure is like even if you are a top drummer or a top drummer who also happens to be a top songwriter/ singer solo artist! They all should have acquiesced to how much pressure was on them all and put a little more time into prep, rehearsal, schedule juggling and balancing etc.. but it’s 20 minutes compared the 1000’s of hours of amazing performances they all have given us ! 👍🏼
No rehearsal for a world broadcast IS INSANE indeed. That's like taking over a plan mid-air and "winging" it. You just don't. I agree more time into prep was the necessary step for this to have had a chance at all. Thank you for sharing your POV and i hope the Zepp Gig went great, saw the pics and the VISTALITE looked killer. Does any body remember LUDWIG!!! Happy New Year Brian!
I’ve binge watched this whole series,the work that’s gone into this is amazing. You’re also a great guitarist and live aid was on my birthday July 13th
Thank You BL! That means a lot! Doing my research has been quite an adventure and it made my day to read you have binge watching hehe. Stay tuned for Episode 13 of 15 premieres this Saturday January 28th!
Very interesting video, thank you! 😀👍 Living in Germany at that time and because of the time difference, I didn't watch many of the Philadelphia gigs, and the Led Zep' reunion was among the ones I _didn't_ get to see. I _still_ haven't watched the whole thing, for some reason, but I've heard sooo many negative things about it over the years, as if everyone's been ignoring anything positive on purpose! Phil says "I've had a great time!", but in truth he didn't really, because (according to his bio) he could feel from Tony that he was seen more like a rival by the latter and wanted this to be only his _own_ great moment as Led Zep's drummer. Hence there wasn't any team work between the two drummers, also resulting in those moments when Phil stopped playing altogether. And yes, Phil's kit definitely was much lower in the sound mix than Tony's, too!
Hope you can check the entire performance, its worth. The reason i didn't play long audio portions of it was because its been overplayed i think but please listen to it, despite the issues and all, the magic was there in a way. Phil tried to play it "corporate" backstage, his career was generating CRAZY REVENUES so yeah, bad move to take on a brawl with the might Zepp...but Plant knew, it was not the best result. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
David Gilmour's Fender Strat died at Live Aid and switched to the candy apple red Strat that he would use in the post-Waters Pink Floyd era. Queen were eh, Judas Priest were the best band that day. Zeppelin played better than Sabbath who were drugged out except for Bill Ward.
I remember the day so well, and the “would they, wouldn’t they?“ do it question. When Phil Collins introduced them it was so surreal. I was sitting in my living room watching TV somewhere around 5 pm on a Saturday afternoon. And Led Zeppelin casually take to the stage. Only JCM could put it all into such wonderful context weaving the drama while beautifully framing this landmark performance. Sure the music didn’t quite live up to it but did I care? Nah, I was watching Led Zeppelin live on television, six years after Knebworth, the second and final time I would hear them and watch them really live. This story had to be told and you did such a great job as usual Jose.
I am honored that you find the context and editing here faithful to the events of 1985. I salute you sir, this was a great time for music no matter what some people say. Thank you so much for watching this one, i still believe it wasn't Phil Collins' fault.
My favorite part of Zep at Live Aid was Mark Goodman from MTV talking over the Rock and Roll drum intro... "I'm not going to give away the *whole* set, but that's Rock and Roll and THEY'RE DOING STAIRWAY!!!"
The drum intro to RnRoll is played incorrectly - the crash comes in at least a beat too early. Since it is unlikely, I don't think both drummers played the exact same incorrect notes in unison. I think one drummer was playing that intro. Since 1 rehearsed with the rest of the band and the other didn't, it would make sense that the rehearsed TT took the lead and played that intro and not PC. PC says he was miming a lot (makes sense if you don't know the parts). If you watch the whole performance, at times he isn't even playing at all - never mind miming.
Mime Collins :) hehe, man its a nightmare just to play with two guitars sometimes nevermind two drummers and such drummers whose character was STRONG. A show to remember and revisit! Thank you for tuning in Giancarlo! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Absolutely, that is HARD WORK at its finest, i mean did the man really have a day off after Peter Gabriel left Genesis? No hehe. Stay tuned for Episode 14 on 1988 Part 2 coming up this Saturday February 4th!
Great video---I was at the Brendan Byrne show where Page played with Plant---awesome show, Brian Setzer SMOKED during the Honeydrippers portion of the show, Anyway, the crazy thing was me and my buddy knew Page was there the whole time, cause he literally watched the show from the side of the stage in a folding chair and even though he had his back to us, we knew damn well who it was---great video---also recall seeing the firm in April 1985, awesome job really enjoyed the video and congrats to your parents!!
Wow great perspective on the show, so you guys knew beforehand, that the man himself was there? SO COOL. The Firm's shows from 1985 to 1986 were good yes, i like 1986 specially because of the closing track. My parents are happy to see this video gain so much traction hehe. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
It would have been tough for Phil Collins to fly to the UK after a massive stadium gig and then play his own show , but he had to fly over and be the first guy to play drums for Led zeppelin in public after John Bonham died. And do it in Wembley Stadium for a concert that is being simulcast across the globe. No pressure at all , Phil 🔥I would have loved to see Tony Thompson do it by himself personally because his style is more funky and hard hitting . Phil is a really interesting drummer who is versatile as hell . But Tony's style fit Zeppelin better .
You know, Phil being a Bonham fan, it must have been hard saying NO to this opportunity, how could he? I believe when he helped out Plant in 1983, his inner Zepp fan was thinking, OMG, this IS THE GUY. Tony Thompson was a great drummer, i just don't like his hard hitting little swing style, and i did revisit his Power Station album just to make sure. He was great with HIS own bands, Zeppelin needed someone like Cozy Powell or Simon Kirke IF they were gonna do a one-off.
July 13, 1985, living in Beaufort SC, I watched Page, Plant & JPJ play Live Aide in my hometown of Philly. Unable to get tickets for the 1977 MSG shows, holding tickets for the 1980 Philly show and hearing that Bonzo died, the Live Aide show was a big deal. Until then TSRTS was all we had.
That's so cool you were able to go. I would have been the same if 1977 and 1980 didn't happen. When revisiting the footage for this episode i got excited, it was a good show despite what people say!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories What made it such an event was during the Zeppelin years they didn’t do TV or Media appearances, didn’t hang out in the media spot light…they toured and then disappeared until the next tour.
Phil's said, before getting the gig with Genesis, he'd follow Zeppelin around scoping out and learning Bonham's kick pedal technique, and has always credited him, along with Buddy Rich, Ringo, and Keith Moon, as being his biggest drum heroes. Bonham, apparently, didn't listen to much Genesis until Duke came out. but really liked that record. Both were amazing "feel" drummers, and both very musical. Phil's drumming on Plant's first two albums wasn't his only contribution to Plant's solo career. He gave Plant a lot of confidence in the studio, and helped him craft songs with his arrangement ability.
Thank you for sharing your appreciation for my man Phil Collins, his career was truly formidable and exceptionally consistent. Genesis body of work is incredible. And yes, his contribution on Plant's first two solo albums deserves much praise! Hope you dig the episode!
your absolutely right they were both great drummers diff in the sense that john was a hard hitting drummer but he had magnificent feel and grove. phil was the same way he way more technical were he could play without overdoing the drums and knew where to put fills. phil was an amazing drummer people didn’t realize how complicated his early genesis songs were.
There's no way that's true. Collins was a far more skilled drummer than Bonham, they weren't even close on a technical level. Phil is in the class of guys like Bruford and Thompson.
Phils the only guy who had bigger louder drums and cymbals than Bonham even though it was because of a giant dose of serendipity on that early Peter Gabriel album. Duke was the very slight beginning of that. Bonham checked out just before Phil went full core big ass drum and cymbals waaaaay out in front of everything else.
Holy shit, that two-hand tapping was so fast, clean & even that I thought that was an analogue synth sequencer line until you started that descending line and cut to the guitar in-shot... is that you playing!?! Nice stuff :)
Thank you very much Dave, that is me playing yes! I really liked JPJ's work. The album as a whole is a gem! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Live Aid overall, both UK and USA was full of live mistakes/adaptations, but that was part of the charm as far as I was concerned. Why should Led Zeppelin with their complicated, sophisticated music be any different. At the time I didn't notice anything other than they were together again and they were incredible, they just have that special something. It was live, it was human, it was spectacular.
Like you said Maria, they were HUMAN, that is a very good observation! Thank you for tuning in ! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th. Long Live the Zepps!
In the video, there are a couple of split-second clips of Freddie Mercury actually taken from one of Queen's rehearsals for Live Aid (replete with a timer set to the ~18 mins stage time allotted). While it's well known that Queen famously killed their set at Live Aid-- as they did at all of their shows-- what is less widely known is that-- talent aside-- a major factor of their success resulted from their professionalism, including, among other things, rehearsals. The main problem here was that this rag- tag international ensemble of musicians-- some of whom either hadn't played together in years, had never played together at all and/or never played the songs-- never rehearsed yet believed that they could just wing it, somehow, in front of the whole world. Nah, doesn't work that way! Had they actually rehearsed, whatever deficiencies that may have existed could have been identified, and ironed out before the show, thereby avoiding a fiasco, at the very least
I agree, Queen was the standard for excellence at Live Aid, they did THE WORK. No Excuses, and after the Sun City scandal, it seemed like a good idea to go back to showing the world who they really were :)
Great video as always, thanks mate ✌️☺️ That's the reason why led zeppelin broke up? Probably not far wrong. I always thought the problem with live aid was the 2 drummers trying to replace bonzo. The issue with that is, no can replace him in my opinion.
Glad you enjoyed it Paul! This video had a LOT To cover and it got me working beyond 7 to 11 every night hehe. No one can replace Bonham, his contribution was so much more than music...he was a FAN of the band, 1980 was such a tragic year. Stay tuned for Episode 11 next week! Happy New Year man!
You do some very impressive research! I've been a huge fan of Zep and their post-Zep careers for 30+ years, and yet I learn new things from many of your videos. Never knew that Collins discussed the reunion and setlist before they went on stage. Great stuff!
Thank you man, what an honor you being a huge Zepp Fan and you find new bits and pieces in these videos, means a lot. Poor Collins discussing the set prior to have the whole world watching....geez! hahaha
I saw Jaco Pastoris in The Blue Note jazz club from about 7' from the stage in the mid/late 1980's....I can't even imagine adding his greatness to Jimmy's in a live show. Amazing.
NO WAY you saw Jaco at close proximity, WOW, just WOW. I just got Weather Report's 8:30 album from 1979 btw, what a killer album, ALIENS those guys were!
Yes I did. The Blue Note jazz club in NYC is a very small club, and great artists not only perform there, but sit in the audience to listen to other great artists perform. One night I sat at the table right next to Al Jarreau to watch someone perform. I saw Jaco there....two steps from my table, which was right up against the stage. The stage is about 4' off the floor, and the dinner tables are butted right up against the stage. Jaco was out of this world great. I saw Miles Davis play there too.
You saw a homeless drug addicted jaco at his lowest. That’s beyond sad and not something to brag about People like you enabled him and had him homeless in a park where his basses were stolen. Awful
Well done. Maybe you could do one about Black Sabbath at Live Aid. Another legendary band whose original lineup came together again for the gig (Bonham being the obvious exception for Zeppelin, of course).
I like the idea very much, you know that is ALSO one of the LOST performances in rock history for some reason, much like their 1974 CAL JAM which was overshadowed by Deep Purple and ELP. I will check it and decide how could i tell the story. Ozzy was in autopilot back then. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
As I remember, this when I saw it during my 2nd year of college, I remembered it being even worse than this. Maybe because I was expecting so much. I remembering the uncomfortable vibe from stage, Phil laying out at one point and seemingly way overshadowed by Tony and thinking why is Phil Collins up there? Also hearing strange beginnings to Rock and or Roll. Remember Phil being a beat opposite on Tony at one point and seeing Robert motion for Phil to just stop and that deer in the headlights look. Tony seemed more prepared. Looking at this, I agree, Tony was pushing too much and in his own zone. With Bonham, they sped up and slowed down a lot, but together. They really did. Remember that Zeppelin was at their peak in 1975 and just went down the sloppy, drunken and heroine road. This was thd most hyped event and reunion we had all dreamt of. It was as large of a disappointment. This would have been tough to do if well prepared. Which they were not.
I also believe their peak was 1975 but not sonically, putting Bonham on a drum riser didn't help in my opinion, that was a STRANGE move, and it we go into conspiracy theories or rabbit holes, it was like they were OFFERING him to the Powers to be, like a sacrifice altar....i hate it. Their peak was March 1973 forever and for Plant, well, March 1971. Thank you very much for watching! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
Well done Sir! I enjoyed another good episode and waiting for more.. I was a teenager when I saw it live on tv and also recorded it on my VHR box , . I totally think that Phil might of put a lot on his plate for doing the drumming , but like he said , he is only human and he's still one of the greats of 80's if you want to compare all those guys solo career.. You brought up some good points , Mr. Thompson was trying to show up Phil to maybe further the career( but he was already a pro and great style) I'm sure pocket wise he might thought (smart man). What I remember that day, Page is one of the great musicians whoever lived but, he is horrible playing live at times and you can tell he was wasted ,and dancing goofy and very laughable at times. I also think was probably jealous of Collins's and Plant's history together. They all played a part in it but I'm sure Page doesn't want ppl to remember how bad he looked that day and could blame Phil Collins. Back stage , Plant doesn't want to blame page , because he still gets paid for Led Zepp's back royalties. Phil Collins is having health issues right now and hope he lives his life in peace, wishing him the best ! Long live Collins!
Thank you so much Brian! Agree that maybe Page felt some jealousy over Plant/Collins. I just feel that Collins get such a bad rap even with Genesis fans throwing the "sellout" claims...to see the state he is in NOW, i think people should respect and give him credit for SO MUCH!
33:42 - some things can be overanalysed. Many an audience member now know how a gig can be lessened by constantly photographing OR videoing it, and holding an annoying phone up etc & basically relying on technology to interpret the event for you AFTER the event instead of experiencing it DURING the event for oneself. Somethings just have to be experienced “in the moment“ I witnessed LIVE AID like most: from in front of the TV and it has to be remembered/appreciated as a moment in time, and with that in mind, no one complained about the performance and everyone was just happy about The event. A similar thing happened with the Rolling Stones and their withholding of rock ‘n’ roll Circus. There was no real problems with that performance, either because, NOW, it was what it was because THEN it is what it is at the time
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories you are very right. When musicians are thinking from the heart they can be great, but when they’re thinking from their head… Maybe not so much!😉
You can tell from the post-debacle interview that Plant's ego was what kept Zep from continuing. Just think of the shows they could have made for decades.
In the 80's Phil Collins was everywhere, even in the Prince's Trust Galas, I remember that once of those concerts he played the drums to Peter Gabriel performing Sledgehammer!
Hehe, thanks. That's probably YEARS of watching Unsolved Mysteries and E True Hollywood Story as a kid, back when those shows ROCKED. Robert Stack will forever be the voice of Sinister Narration!
As always, spectacular work on this documentary JCM, hat's off to you sir. @42:33, Robert Plan't full ego and wankery are on display here.The faces that Jones and Page when he's talking is the full telling. It's funny back in the early 80's when I was listening to all Led Zep's stuff without any video reference, makes me wish that in modern times I had not had the visuals like these to ruin the anominity of the characters in the band, especially Plant. They made the right decision to end it when they did. These performances prove that point, and I don't think so much that it was because they "wouldn't" do it without Bonzo, they probably knew they couldn't especially with one particular ego as seen here. Keep up the good work JCM, look forward to the next one.
Thank you very much Tom and Happy New Year btw! You know the more i look deep into the story and revisit places, i can see Bonham held the pieces together to a degree that i believe he gets credit for, psycologically speaking he had Plant grounded and humble whenever his ego got in the way. He had a good relationship WITH EVERYONE in the band while being the engine simultaneously. I believe his son Jason had the same fire and confidence but not the same skill level, but you can tell Page is happy to play with him, don't blame him, Robert's attitude is really where his Black Country demons rub people the wrong way.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Happy New Year to you too mate... What you say about Bonzo is probably right. Since he is the only one not there now, he must be that binding glue that is missing in the music. I sort of wish people would stop hoping for any type of re-union. Best to let it go, because it's too easy to be disappointed, especially as we are reminded so many times in your post Zep documentaries. That's what makes your docos so fascinating. Looking forward to the next one!
It was a memorable moment. On that day everyone thought it was a GREAT performance. Blaming and bad words came later. PC and RP knew each other well and Plant wanted him to be on stage. Page probably didn't, PC was already considered a "top gunner" amongst drummers and was going to fill up the place of one of the very few drummers that was greater than him. It wouldn't be the first time that Plant would have ask to remove his performancese from a similar event anyway. He did the same with his partecipation at the Freddie Mercury tribute.
Oh yes, Plant doing INNUENDO did make me feel bad as a fan when i watched it for the first time on UA-cam since i thought for many years that he ONLY did Crazy Little Thing which suited his voice and is similar to Zeppelin's Hot Dog. Robert's ego is an enigma, this research has allowed me to rethink many theories and come up with new ones of how the inner workings of the Zeppelin really worked. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I'm old enough to remember both the performances of the Live Aid and the FMT. In the latter it was immediately clear that Plant wasn't at his best expecially compared to perfectionists like Brian May and Roger Taylor. He also missed a part of the verse. Innuendo was an instant classic when it was released in 1991 and Plant had the honor/responsibility for its very first live execution. He did not so well but, then again, it must had been such an incredible pressure. For the Live Aid I think that most of the fuss was unnecessary raised by Page later. PC was (still is?) a real good friend of Plant. He was his drummer in his first 2 albums and his early tour... and PC was already the giant PC! If we want to make a "parallel", PC in 1985 had to fill the Bonham legend. In 1992 Plant had to fill the Mercury Legend. I suspect that, from times to times, legends should be stay resting. 🤣
Saw this live at the time.(on TV) To me it felt rough but I knew it was thrown together last minuite and didnt expect perfection It was just fun to see them together again and the crowd certainly popped for them. It's been built up into this big disaster that at the time it didn't feel like to me. We called Phil Collins Intercontinental Phil after this 😅
Intercontinental hehe, yeah he was the epitome of that. The performance itself wasn't that bad really, people tend to exaggerate. But well, this is what the documentary is for :) Thank you for watching!
I was there too, with my friend Kevin from HS. It was a long day but a great show and time. Phil got a heroes welcome at JFK stadium when he arrived. Nobody blames Phil. Regardless of the performance we loved it all. The Hooters were a local band that had landed a few hits at that time and they were great to see too. By the way Phil never played that song Against All Odds on piano again i believe. He said in an interview recently he didn't even know how to play it on piano now, he did it in the studio and at Live Aid but never since. So that's a rare performance.
Wow i didn't know about The Hooters, do you recommend any album of theirs, i would like to check them out. Good to know Phil was received like the hero he IS. Against All Odds by the way had a PIANO intro that is reminiscent of EARTH SONG by Michael Jackson, believe it or not i couldn't use it because Copright but check it out, i spot that and was like MJ got it from here hehe. People underestimate how HARD is to sing and play piano all by yourself, imagine having a STADIUM looking at your every move. Only complaint i have from Phil that day are his vocal harmony lines with Sting...sounded weird hehe. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Well Quincy Jones said MJ was a great thief 😅. My two favorite Hooters albums are One Way Home and of course Nervous Nights. Some great pop tunes on their, high energy band with a serious side too. I'd start with Nervous Nights. Will be watching for new episodes !
@@massimolombardi1367 first of all I don’t know nothing? Can we at least attempt to pay attention to sentence structure? And finally, of course I know that Phil is a drummer. Like 10 minutes later he was on the Philly stage playing with Led Zeppelin. My point was, and it’s really half a joke, that if you play In the Air Tonight not just once but twice that day, you needed to have a drummer on stage to play the fill. Whatever you do with the rest of your days, don’t pretend you know half as much music as I do.
@@btoal2001 Don't take it so personally dude. People just like talking about music. It was a funny comment, and true. Like a lot of genesis and brand x fans lots of people just like to bring it up in comments because so many don't know phil apart from 80s songs. Moroccan Roll was better to me than face value, but thats maybe just me. I think he just wanted to bring it up on your funny comment (and true).
HAHAHAHAHAH you made me laugh man, that is WHY i edited that exact moment and you are the first person to make THIS comment. THANK YOU! What's interesting is that the UK audience just stood silent, the US crowd managed to clap in somewhat unison and SING the drum fill if you pay close attention. Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
What a memory trip. I caught both the Firm and Plant at the Byrne in NJ. This was the first time I'd heard anything from that plant show. I remember the "Any requests?" tease. Scott Muni, from WNEW in NYC opened teasing special guests. They closed with a Honeydrippers set with Paul Schaeffer, Brian Seltzer and Page
You my friend are a LUCKY man, thanks for sharing these moments. I am honored that you watched the episode! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
@@dylanwatson1287 Sharon has claimed that Ozzy was addicted to Big Macs around this time, to the extent that his minders were told to keep him away from McDonalds outlets at all costs
How Phil played Live Aid. During his No Jacket Required Tour he bumped into Robert in Dallas and Robert said “Can you get me at Live Aid” and Phil responded “Call Bill Graham” but Robert responded “Bill hates me” (still some bad feelings about the infamous 1977 Oakland disaster) and then Robert said “How about me, you and Jimmy (Page) play together” and Phil said enthusiastically “absolutely”. In between the encounter and Live Aid Bob Geldof suggested to Bill Graham that a Led Zeppelin reunion take place. Phil stated this in his book and a 1994 interview with VH1. When Phil arrived Robert was happy to see him but Jimmy who was drunk and on cocaine was not cordial and Phil asked him about the drum fill on the flamenco guitar section to Stairway and how it goes and Jimmy snapped at him. Then Tony Thompson was equally rude and Phil said to him that they play as a team and knew about the pitfalls of twin drumming as Phil did twin drumming in Genesis and his own solo career. Phil played brilliantly with Clapton and Phil’s only blunder was Whole Lotta Love thinking he was playing the album version but goofed during Tony’s drum fill. Tony was upfront in the mix on drums. I listen to the performance on headphones and Phil’s drums were low while Tony’s drums were loud and he was using Jamie Oldaker of Eric Clapton’s band drum kit as his Tama kit he used for The Powerstation was dismantled.
Is there anything John Paul Jones can't do? He is a MUSICIAN in every sense of the word! Thank you so much for watching, hope you enjoy the rest of the series.
So basically they put about as much preparation into this as if they were going to do an impromptu jam in a local bar in front of 15 people in the wee hours of the morning. Except they happened to be playing to about a billion people. Not just no rehearsal, but no rest, no communication... mistakes aren't the end of the world, but when they start to accumulate, it can start to feel like maybe you should have stayed in bed that morning.
They had a Communication Breakdown indeed! Great way of putting it! Thank you very much for watching Keith! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
Just seeing Zeppelin on stage together back then was a huge deal, because prior to Live Aid the thought of the band reuniting was out of the question. I think even Zeppelin themselves knew that and did everything they could to pull it together to make the show. Doing a brief rehearsal and then having 2 drummer not communicating with each other is not a good idea. The O2 show was world's sway a great performance and put together very carefully. If Zeppelin had capitalized on the O2 performance and reunited it would have worked and the world of fans that never seen them live would of had their chance.
You are 100% Correct Dave. The 02 Arena era had the potential but i do think the set list had to change a bit so Plant would same a voice afterwards for his solo career. Singing the hard rock hits every night is demanding. Imagine had they done Carouselambra, I'm Gonna Crawl, revive the acoustic set, so much.....now the more i got into my research, Plant is really a strange man, i will leave it at that. I don't believe Jimmy is the problem to be honest, yes he may have had personal lifestyle problems but Plant is really a troubled soul.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I agree. Everything I have read in various biographies and books about the band it stem's back to Plant making the ultimate decision about reunions for various reasons.
You cant evenb hear Collins drum kit. I am a drummer, I can tell when a drummer is playing live. Theres lots of moments Collins is hitting drums and you hear nothing!! Maybe it was different on stage but the crowd never heard him.
Excellent analysis once again Jose. I enjoyed this one quite a lot. Like with any massive event, I know exactly where I was and what I was doing when this all unfolded. 1985 was my first big rock concert which was RP Shaken n Stirred tour, Worcester Centrum. I clearly remember the build-up to the Live Aid set. It was long but finally they took the stage…and I still feel the same way today about than I did that day: happy but bummed out a little. I suppose I’m no different than millions of others on that. Hey, at least they did it. Their music was so toxic and addictive that even they themselves couldn’t believe when it all hatched in 1968. The ensemble that was LZ was unique as a thumbprint and simply never to be replicated - not even by them. Just like you’ve said: the remaining members are in competition with none other than…themselves! That’s one tall order - perhaps the tallest ever. Thank you Jose for your efforts. I really enjoy them!
Thank you for sharing this well-thought comment, i appreciate it! As you mentioned, as least they did it, and we have it on film, for good or bad, it was a HISTORICAL moment. It has a mixed feeling happiness to it for sure. Its true, the LZ ensemble NEVER imagined how the band would grow, so massive, to a deadly extent as we saw unfortunately. As a composer, once you hit a good song you like, the competition against one self can get tiring. Now think Jones, Page and Plant....icons...phew! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday January 14th!
Love to see appreciation for Alcatrazz! Wish Vai would release some of the archives he has from this period, as well as The Classfied! We've got Vai fandom in here too lol!
Will do! Thanks on the table and i will give you a hint....working on the script RIGHT NOW :) just before premiering ANOTHER script i also have in stored!
Thank you very much Dos Gos. This particular storyline was HARD yes. So much stuff going on, bits and pieces, i wanted to paint the whole picture. I found rare material under the rocks, many surprised ME and i was like....i have to use this!
Thank you for posting this. I was glued to MTV that day and the EC, Phil Collins, Led Zep run of performers was the highlight for me. Yes they were sloppy and rusty but I was just grateful for anything from Led Zeppelin again. Most don't ever mention that the Eric Clapton set was incredible and Phil was great just 15 minutes before Zeppelin came on, IMO.
Yes I think everyone seems to forget that Phil Collins played perfectly well with Eric Clapton's band and yet suddenly just a short while later he's blamed for Led Zeppelin's performance. I don't think Phil Collins was the problem.
Weird the Clapton set seems to be lost in time right? MTV did help this EVENT be HUGE i would say. Can't imagine the excitement at the time watching this LIVE! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
13:16-32: That's very interesting - like most Zep fans I knew about Robert's sell-off of his royalty rights to the Zep catalogue, and that Page is the one who's been in charge of later re-releases, but I always thought Robert had made a more complete divesting move, perhaps to get rid of debts, and that Page had become much more wealthy than him over time due to cashing in on the sustained interest in Zeppelin and their music. You're saying Plant is actually the richest of the three surviving members of the band here...could be true but are you sure about this? :) I couldn't imagine that they didn't even tell Phil in advance that the Live Aid gig was going to be with two drummers - that's downright disrespectful to him, not least since he and Bonham had been old friends!
I did my research on their finances as deep as i could and yes, Plant is the wealthiest. One key aspect that separates him from Page is that he has generated more CASH than Jimmy. Musicians in the end rely on live shows with Streaming services cutting those profits and Plant has had many concerts. It also proves the point going out Making Money is better than living extremely cheap like Jimmy who likes EXPENSIVE art and houses lol.
@@leighstreet8298 Yes he did but the problem is past 1980. You see, the cash-flow thing is important and besides compoun interest through investing, generating income from live shows IS important.
@@leighstreet8298 Well, session work doesn't really generate royalties I think, normally you just get one-off ordinary pay. Even Clare Torry, who famously contributed the vocal that completely transformed "The Great Gig in the Sky" was paid just by the two hours or so that she had worked (decades later she sued the Floyd and finally won a co-writer credit for the song, goving her royalties for it from then on, but normally session musicians are not given such honours). Even Rick Wakeman is not getting anything for his highly distinctive piano playing on Bowie's Hunky Dory - I'm sure he was only paid a lump sum for participating on the album.
Prince was one of them too for sure, that statement was not aimed at leaving others outside of the hardworking category :) Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
As a drummer of 40 years, I simply say this, if you won't do your homework beforehand or show up for rehearsals on time then don't take gig. Recipe for disaster and he had plenty of time even on the planes to write out decent notes and notation had he chosen to. Smacks of "I'm so good, I'll just wing it, and it will be okay".
Absolutely Ross, you say it like it is, homework NEEDS to be done. Winging it is a trap most of the times, unless its an open JAM or someting. Thanks for watching! Episode 11 is up!
The tv director in JFK stadium wanted the cameras to focus on Phil Collins because he didn't know about Zeppelin & thought PC was the most important thing at the time. How times change
OMG. What an intense episode. We’ll done Jose. Edge of my seat the whole time. Totally glued to my seat. So good! ❤
Thank you so much Matt, research and editing on this one was tricky and the final result wanted to tell the story with detail. 1985 was a great year for music, not as creative as let's say 1983, but the marriage of MTV, media and artists was in a good place. Later on things got a bit bloated i would say. Happy New Year Matt! Hope you like Episode 11 next week!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Be good if you did more general interest history stories like this rather then the more obscure Ex-yes Zeppelin 81 etc, just a thought
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Jimmy Page once said "John Paul Jones is the real musical genius of Led Zeppelin "
I agree. He did all the arrangements. His versatility is a plus.
Jonesy was the secret weapon. His contributions need to be remembered! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
No question about that. Zeppelin really had no weak links whatsoever. Jones' musical abilities were imperative to their incredible body of work.
John Paul did the work of two different Beatles with just the one name 😂
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Plus as far as I know he never played sloppy, drunk or stoned live.
Page is humble.
I was there, and I can say without question, those in attendance felt a tremendous sense of joy, gratitude, and privilege to hear Zep reunite for the first time. People can crap all over the performance if they chose...my memory of the day was great satisfaction for the moment.
I felt joy and gratitud watching this for my research. Coming off the 1978-1980 days in Zeppelin history, this show MEANS A LOT indeed!
It doesn't matter. 100,000+ screaming fans had the time of their lives, and if you weren't there, you missed out.
I made a tape of the Zep set, and it sounds like a typical last-minute live performance. Why did anyone expect it to sound like New York '73?😁
Yes, it's very different when you're "in the room" vs listening to boots, or watching film...
I was there too. I felt the same way.
I actually was there. 9 rows back. It was amazing. The crowd was mesmerized by the chance to see Zep. Nothing else matters. No one at the show was criticizing Zeppelin's performance that day. The only disappointment was that they didn't play longer.
I am sure that's how most people viewed it. I was 18 years old and listened to it live on the radio. I didn't care how they sounded....All I knew is that it was LED ZEPPELIN and that was good enough for me.
Exactly. I was at the Atlantic Records Zeppelin reunion at Madison Square Garden 3 years after this. It didn't matter one bit how they played. The Garden went crazy because at 1:30 in the morning, Zeppelin went onstage and played 'till a little after 2. We were seeing Zeppelin with Bonham Jr and it didn't matter ONE BIT how well or poorly they played. We were with Led Zeppelin and they were there with us. It was like The Rapture.
@@pewsterbaby wasn't fully Zeppelin, 3/4 Zeppelin
So in other words you were wasted too
@@paulweston285 No, not in any words. That's why I clearly remember everything, factually.
This is a masterwork of research. You have given audiences that watched the Page-Plant-Jones set a new perspective of what happened. I have to add that Live-Aid, especially the "Led Zeppelin Reunion," changed my life. The warts in the performance didn't matter. I was hooked from that day on to Zeppelin and rock music.
Glad you enjoyed my research, a project and labor of love for All Zepp Fans! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Totally agree.
LZ formed during my freshman year of highschool but I became a fan watching their performance at Live Aid. I read Hammer of the Gods published before Live Aid
I was 16 when Led Zep took the stage at Live Aid and I loved every second it, I thought it was the highlight of the day and still do. The heck with the critics! Live Rock and Roll doesn't need to be perfect it just needs to be loud and raise you out of your seat and make you scream. Mission accomplished!
Cool! Fair Enought SB! Thank you very much for watching, Episode 11 is up, and Episode 12 will be released on Saturday January 21st.
Well said
Robert Plant really was like something out of Spinal Tap in the 80's. Imagine seeing Robert Plant live on tour and him singing Jerry Lee Lewis numbers.....You'd think you'd entered a weird parallel universe or something....
Interesting take yes! He does come off a bit Spinal Tap, imagine had he been in the movie! Nigel Tufnel and Plant doing 50s numbers haha.
Plant’s first solo tour had a stop in Toronto. He avoided Zep material and the furious fans flipped over a bus in frustration on their way out of the stadium grounds.
@@Ontariosound Can't say I blame him. Why should he be a jukebox for them?
the fact that many rock musicians have been dismissing and hating on Phil Collins before and after this event was just sad.
The guy was inarguably a versatile, musically generous and collaborative and...aside from MJ and Prince and Madonna, he pratically RULED the 80s music.
Absolutely, Phil Collins' range as a musician was incredible. People are funny, musicians tend to praise the "cult status" dudes that never get the money they deserve on their chops. And then, the ones who do, are the bad guys. I think religion and dogma have some of the blame you know? Thank you very much for watching! Hope you enjoy the rest of the series!
In Collin’s autobiography he explains that Plant and him were friends, and Plant had invited him to be the drummer for a Live Aid thing with him and Page. He had agreed and that was supposed to be that. But between then and the show it became a Zeppelin reunion and they had hired a drummer already and rehearsed for a week. When Plant eventually told him, Collins wanted to pull out, but Plant said they could do it with two drummers. Before the show Collins told Thompson they should watch each other and not overplay. But Thompson was not interested, seeing this (rightly) as a huge opportunity for him. So it was kind of Plant’s fault if we are to believe Collins.
Thompson overplayed and Collins overaccepted. Plant overpromised and underperformed :)
You know who could have really played drums at LiveAid? The young Jason Bonham!
Funny hearing Page criticize Collins for his performance. Completely oblivious to his own trainwreck playing. Like Rick James said, cocaine's a helluva drug 😄
@@Studio-62 Collins was already very experienced playing w/ another drummer in Genesis live shows for years before that (and another Thompson.....Chester). I believe he totally knew what he was talking about when he said they should watch each other. The fact that he tried his best to stay out of the way proves he was there for the integrity of the music. As Collins was wont to say elsewhere (and I'm paraphrasing), "If the rest of the band sounds like $#!+, but the drums sound great, it'll be alright. But not the other way around."
Love the way Page rolls his eyes when Plant says I have my own career....yeah well if your first career had not happened there would not have been a second.
I think in 85 was when Plant's boastful and self centered ego and attitude really started to take place which has lasted up to this very day.
@@dylanwatson1287 nah, he's mellowed out considerably in the last decade or so
Plant can be a jerk no one can change my mind. He acts as if he didn't have problems during the Zep years . He can't blame just Page. Plant never took care of his voice and yes Bonham was the only one at his son's funeral which is TERRIBLE but JPJ was the main cog at getting him back to Zep in 78 for rehearsals for Ittod . Jimmy Page was the Master of Zep his wings totally clipped off in 78 by both Plant and JpJ.
Exactly
Absolutely, Page gave him the "wish Bonham was here to punch you in the face like he did back in Japan 1972 fighting over borrowed petrol money"
I had no idea there was another drummer playing during this infamous set.. A bizarre and ultimately disastrous decision indeed. Amazing work throughout this series, sir. ❤
Thank you very much for watching! Hope you enjoy the rest of the series!
Phil Collins was the only one competent enough to be on that stage that day. Plant and Page were pathetic.
I am the absolute biggest fan of Jimmy Page. He seems very together for the last 20 years. I admire him and am very impressed he got his life together post 80’s. But there was a phase there, where I was very worried about him. And, from all my experience with interviews and reflections he’s had, have I ever heard him admit that he was not handling his presentation well during the 80s and till mid 90s. I’m not going to assume what was going on with him, lord knows life happens and you just have to ride the wave out sometimes… But Jimmy Page likes to focus on the technical and business oriented reasons performance didn’t work along the way. He is a very private person and won’t come out and say what was going on with him… Who knows really? We can speculate it was substances, but It might have been health issues… I’m not going to act like I know, because life gets messy. I am just very happy he is well now.
I disagree with Phil Collins ‘bad Karma’ Zep talk. Being a musician, I can tell you from my own experience, some bands are very ‘sheet music’, tightly rehearsed machines that you can turn on and off. These tight bands always sound tight and are trustworthy etc. ; Very easy to control if all the parts are working. Zep was a wild animal! It was a bucking bronco you had to either ride out or fall off. Zep played bad a million times, but they also played great a million times. It was the nature of the beast. Zep and the Beatles are probably the two biggest bands and ironically both bands, when in tact became something much greater than their individual parts. The proof is in all the solo recording post break ups. It’s a kind of magic you only find once in a lifetime. It’s really that simple. Once you try to re-create it, that’s where the trouble begins.
Thank you tuning in Robert. Like you, i am a fan of Jimmy and i don't want to get into the substance abuse speculation. I believe he fell to severe depression, after all addiction feeds from depression and trauma. To say he had it rough in 1980 is an understatement. Great stuff you are a musician so we can agree that Zepp is HARD to play as a Band. You are 100% correct. Whenever i get to jam with friends that know of my 15+ years playing Zepp they always, always try to wing it, and i just sit there watching, telling them "oh sure, let's do In My Time Of Dying"....Zepp's material has a lot of CHEMISTRY to it and it's no wonder it's the stuff of nightmares for your average cover band doing 70s playlists. I am also happy Jimmy got out of that personal hell of the 80s. Episode 11 premieres next week!
Jimmy page was heavy into heroin and strung out. This was an embarrassment nothing jimmy page has done in 50 years has been memorable. His low point ? Working with p Diddy on Godzilla. If page was measured by heroin intake then he is a legend. Jimmy page hasn’t done anything good since mid 70s. Case closed
@@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 Yes, he was "strung out", if you insist on using that useless term. His heroin addiction had taken a hold. However, he did make some good music - his Deathwish soundtrack was very good, as was his album with Roy Harper, Whatever Happened To Jugula. Had the best tracks from both albums by The Firm simply been issued as one single album it would have been so much better. His album with Coverdale was excellent. His low point was that tour and live album with these D-listers The Black Crowes - probably one of the worst bands I ever heard with easily the worst singer, bar none, ever. Total dog shit.
Can’t wait for this one. I was at Live Aid in Philadelphia. The crowd of 100,000 were there to see the Led Zeppelin reunion. It didn’t matter if they were under rehearsed. Everyone was happy to see them together performing Led Zeppelin songs. This was their first show in the USA in 8 years. In those 8 years there was a lot of heartbreak for this band. This was a joyous occasion.
Joyous for fans maybe…not for Zep. Listened to interviews of both Page and Plant and they were mortified and embarrassed.
Agree with you totally, Ronald. I was there too (hot as hell!), and I will never forget it. Despite the band's opinions about the show, the fans who were there were elated at the moment, and loved it, warts and all.
Ronald that's awesome you were there, from my research i got one thing very clear off the bat, it was a HOT day right? Man was that venue crowded. Hope you dig the episode, its a very special part of the 80s series!
It was extremely hot. It was a clear sunny day with no clouds! The fire department came in and were hosing down the crowd. I was 14 and it truly was one the the best days of my life.
@@ronaldmccloskey8850 I was 21, and it was amazing. It was well into the 90's in temperature in the mid-morning, well over 100 that day, no clouds. I remember guys going to use the restroom, and it was crowded, like a herd of cattle. Inside the men's room, there were guys at the sinks, filling buckets with water, and dumping them on the heads of people in the rest rooms, to keep them from passing out from the heat.
This is one of the oddest and I might say coolest independent music history film documentaries I’ve ever seen. Great work 🙌
Wow, thank you! Hope the ODD is a good thing hehe. Thank you very much for watching! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
That's the most amazingly detailed pull down of Led Zeppelin's greatest train wreck at Live Aid. Plant, Page, Collins know they haven't done their best. Plant blames the fold back & Jimmy looks totally wasted. Just crazy how Plant has Mick Jagger syndrome desperate to push his own solo tour as if Zep never reformed. It took Coverdale / Page to shake Plant back to reality.
I think you're absolutely correct. That Coverdale/Page album was fantastic, I have no doubt it played a huge part in why Plant decided to work with Page again.
When Page played reverse psychology on Plant going with Coverdale, Robert showed the world his EGO rules his decisions. If i was Page in 2008 i would have publicly gone out and said "I don't wanna reunite with Led Zeppelin ever again" and then start writing songs with Myles Kennedy, bet Robert would have called him up again....
@@davidrice3337: Your comment seems designed to make Robert Plant impressed. He probably won't read it, and he's strong enough to withstand criticism. I trust you've stopped listening to Immigrant Song and the rest of that Zeppelin "bullshit".😅
@@davidrice3337 " Moving forward " into mediocrity. What Plant and Lennon and so many others never seemed to realize, probably because of their over inflated egos, was that groups are often greater than the sum of their parts. I think they made the right decision to disband after Bonham's death. Zeppelin isn't Zeppelin without Bonham. But nothing any of them did subsequently even approaches the brilliance that was Led Zeppelin.
@@saurondp yup, he didn’t want Jimmy having success
I was a teenager in 1985. It's hard to convey how big an event Live Aid was. So many of the biggest names in music, all-day concerts from two continents, watched live by the world. Nothing like that has been undertaken since.
That is fascinating right? No other event like this has been done except Live 8 in 2005! Thank you for watching!
As Robert Plant said “Quite a day eh? And a very good day too”. Planty always had the right words.
As a 13 year old Led Zeppelin fanatic I watched this on tv and I thought it was great I think I was going as crazy in my tv room as everyone was at JFK! I was at the show on the 23rd in New Jersey when Jimmy Page came out as a special guest. The place went nuts no Zeppelin songs but they were wearing the same outfits they had on at Live Aid. Robert Plant did start playing Zeppelin songs during his solo shows until 1988. I was there again in NJ and it was incredible. The first song he played was “ In The Evening” and the crowd was singing so loud you could barley hear him.
That gave me the chills just hearing that story. I love In the Evening and I’m Gonna Crawl from In through the out door.
Wow you were at the NJ show on the 23! SO LUCKY MAN! I bet the deafning roar when Jimmy came to the stage was incredible. Funny how Robert teased you guys with requests, a prankster! Thank you for sharing this!! Thank you for tuning in Vinny! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
They made up for this debacle with the 2007 O2 concert Celebration Day. That concert they were AMAZING!
Absolutely Linda, the 2007 show was very special. From start to finish, the right mindset and proper rehearsal time. I will do a video on it at some point :) Thanks for tuning in Linda, if you haven't please subscribe as it helps my channel big time!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-StoriesI just subscribed thanks for reminding me.
I never thought much of 07. Awesome version of Kashmir, some other cool bits and pieces like For Your Life.
But it wasn’t Led Zeppelin. It was a tribute band. What’s the point?
@@Twotontessie Tribute band? LMAO ! HA! Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones & Jason Bonham…No it’s not 💯 Zeppelin but it’s DEFINITELY not 4 random people imitating Zeppelin or as you put it a tribute band. HA!
I didn’t think Jimmy was amazing at the O2. One of the worst guitar tones I’ve ever heard and some ordinary playing as well.
Excellent video. Who's idea was it that Led Zep needed two drummers ? Collins is no Bonham, but he could have pulled off well enough for a 20 minute set. Having two drummers playing unrehearsed is a recipe for a trainwreck.
Absolutely, 2 drummers , no rehearsal with a full band it's...wing it to say the least hehe. Thank you very much for watching! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
Just to add to what you said about Phil being the hardest worker of the 80s. While I'm sure he probably slept a little bit on the plane, being up for about 24+ hours and travelling to play at 2 shows on either side of the world on the same day took serious bottle. Instead of blaming him for the set, people should instead remember he was the only artist that day who played at both shows.
He did very well. He was humble about the fact he should have backed out. Two drummers needs a lot of rehearsal!
It was unnecessary and only happened to put a spotlight on himself (Phil). His involvement was counter productive. Two drummers on those songs was a cacophony. Neither drummer knew the songs at all. Jason Bonham would have been better. Maybe Cozy Powell, Simon Phillips, Simon Kirke, Carmine Appice, etc....any of those guys would have been better. Phil's gimic made it impossible for a proper rehearsal. And it was all just rushed.
@@scottrobinson9752 right…2 drummers..who didn’t know the song…..with lots of changes….TRAINWRECK….
Plus..Plants vocals were already declining….didn’t help!
@@scottrobinson9752 so...who pushed for Collins/double drummers?
You gave an excellent musical breakdown of what happened that day. It was no one’s fault. I’m going to give Tony Thompson the benefit of the doubt and say he was probably just over excited. Phil was and is a professional and he was there to support his friend.
A really great video!
Thank you so much Kellie, i am happy you enjoyed the trip, it was quite a journey gathering all the bits and pieces. When i was writing the script i was listening to a best of 1985 playlist just to get in the mood. Tony was over excited yes, the strange thing was that he played earlier with the Power Station, you'd think he warmed up by then. BTW, their set is shaky in parts, Thompson was Nervous.
You can see it on any stage all over the world. An under rehearsed band makes a few mistakes, they start second guessing what they do. They start filling in all the spaces to compensate to others' mistakes and it just falls apart. You either say everyone is to blame or no one. With Live Aid, to just blame Phil C is ridiculous
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories tony can hit those drums hard like john b
@@TheIggypop1 With Bonham it was the way he tuned his kit , not necessarily hitting the drums hard.
@@halcyon289 right and he never puts pillows in the tom he would let in roar like the room was shaking
Fantastic episode it brings back so many memories. I was in my junior year in high school at Lake Braddock in Burke, Va. in 1985. Led Zeppelin was my everything. My friends and I were at a lot of the shows in this video. We were front row for the Firm. The best place to get concert tix was a Ticket Master in Crystal City and we camped out. Seeing Jimmie Page in a green laser pyramid with his bow playing Dazed and
Confused was epic! That same summer the Beach Boys played
on the Mall in DC. John Stamos was still on General Hospital and loved the BB and he was on a 2nd drum kit. Jimmie Page was an odd addition but the crowd went wild. I dropped a tab of acid early in the day and
lost my group and wandered the tents on the mall with small acts performing. The first one had to old black bluesmen from Philadelphia. I would swear they were the same to old guys from opening of Dave Chapel’s show years later.
Live Aid was one of the greatest memories I have. Madonna had her old nudes in Penthouse and was fully clothed in July heat and joked we had seen enough of her that week 🤣
Black Sabbath reunited with Ozzy, Mick Jagger and Tina Turner w/ Hall & Oates singing back up. I started working my way onto the floor when Thompson Twins were performing and slowly worked my way through the crowd. Some were a little perturbed by me cutting in front of them and when the bigger/scarier of them would say something I told them my girlfriend was upfront and I would spark a bowl and share and continue on. By the time Zeppelin came out I was 20 feet from center stage.
Amazing performance. The crowd was on fire!
Your documentation of the show was spot on! Your recollection of past performances each band member tapped into jived with my memories of that show. And as someone who was there The drumming was awesome. To be in the presence of those three legends after the abrupt end of the maestro John Bonham was pure joy.
We also had 15th row for Robert Plant tour July 31st at the Capital Center. Amazing year and you did it justice. I am smiling ear to ear and had chills remembering that great year.
An additional concert that year was Tina Turner “What’s Love Got to do With It?” we were two rows off the floor touching the stage, awesome!
Hey Bruce! Thank YOU so much for watching this very special episode. I was delighted to read your recollections, you really lived this magical decade, a fantastic musical explosion. Your words help me connect with the events so much, i appreciate you taking the time to share. Stay tuned for more videos coming up :)
Great video! I was at Live Aid in Philly...what a day/night. Hot as shit...they would once in a while spray a little firehose shower. We were pretty far up front...I can see my friends and I a few times in the clips that are available on UA-cam. Anyway, Zep sounded soooo bad to us in the crowd. Aside from the inconsistent drums, it simply sounded bad...could barely tell what song they were playing. But regardless, we went crazy...we got to see a little bit of history that day and treasure the memory.
I bet it was hot as hell, how on Earth did you guys manage not to get dehydrated hahah. Every time i watch videos from that concert it's my first thought. Thank you for watching!
Fun fact: When Jimmy Page played with the Beach Boys in Washington DC, they had a stand-in drummer. That drummer? JOHN STAMOS.
OMG it was John? i saw the picture but thought they just met backstage, thank you for shedding light on this mystery, you solved it for me!! Thank you for tuning in Doug! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Probably the best recounting and analysis of this performance I’ve ever seen or read. Kudos!
Thank you so much sir! I appreciate it! This was a tough episode to make gathering the data and such. I'm glad you enjoyed it :) Stay tuned for Episode 11 next week!
I was there in the Audience on the grass in front of the stage, 17 years old with my younger brother 14 and my buddy 17. We weren't old enough to have seen them as Led Zeppelin. I would have seen them if they toured in 1980-81 I had just started going to concerts at that time. They were the reason I bought tickets from a scalper at $80 a piece for general admission. I didn't really care who else was going to be there at the time. Looking back, just about everybody who was anybody was there that day, they even showed some of the Wembley performances on a big diamond board screen. What a show, it lasted so long and we left from South New Jersey, in the early morning hours, ran out of gas in the pine barrens, pitch black, totally unprepared, no cell phone's, had to knock on someone's door in the middle of nowhere at night and got a ride back to my dad's house where we came back with a gas can and we were off again! It was incredibly hot on the lawn and they were hosing us down with fire hoses. When the show was over, we were exhausted. We got back to my buddie's car and my brother and friend instantly fell asleep. I was going to drive home, even though I didn't have a driver's license yet. I caught myself falling asleep on the highway late at night and just pulled into a parking lot somewhere and we all woke up the next morning, and drove back home.
This is wonderful in depth look at the situation around that time. Thank you for all the work you have done here. Such an enjoyable watch Mr JCM. Consider yourself subscribed!
Thank you very much for watching Cliff, welcome to the channel, so cool to have you on the community. Hope you enjoy the content here!
Thanks for this video! The thing that so interesting is that if you just watched Plant, you wouldn’t even realize it wasn’t a great set. He really knows the power of television.
He definitely had the right practice at the time with two great solo tours behind him where Page couldn't match that with The Firm.
When they came on I called and pledged my $10 or $15 donation. Looking back the set may have left something to be desired but at that moment absolutely nobody cared. Just seeing them together for the first time since Bonham's death was overwhelming for us millions of Zep fans. It was a HUGE HUGE deal and the tightness of the band mattered little.
Yes, the energy was there indeed, a truly magical moment in time! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday January 14th!
That post-show interview...ouch!
Your videos are fantastic...thank you!
The after show right? hehe, you could cut the tension there with a knife. Poor Phil! Thank you Mike for watching!
I don't know where you get your rare Zep videos, and don't tell. Those Plant Honeydrippers and Page XYZ clips are amazing. I'm referring to the whole series. Absolutely no-one has covered the 80's Zeppelin story the way you have. Don't leave out Peter Grant. He basically lost it after Zeppelin's demise, and that deserves much coverage.
I think you might find that Dave Lewis has already documented everything there is to know very well indeed. That's of course only if you're able to read.
@@apollomemories7399 The OP knows how to read, but unlike you he’s not a c#nt.
@@wyganter Get over your triggered self, you dweeb. Dave Lewis covered all this in way better immaculate detail 30 years ago. But you wouldn't ever know that cos it's news to you.
@@apollomemories7399 Wow, talk about triggered!
@@wyganter Yes, you were. Let me remind you that it was yourself who took exception to my alternative information source and what did you do? You turned around as fast as Flynn and offerered offensive insult because YOU were absolutely triggered.
Led Zeppelin is in my DNA. I was lucky enough to see them opening night at Madison Square Garden, 6/7/77. I could not wait for the 1980 tour until Bonham died- on my 17th birthday- September 25. I was desperate to see Zeppelin again and I was fortunate enough to be in JFK Stadium that day for Live Aid. What a day!!! Counting down the time until the Zeppelin reunion. This was before the internet, etc, so we had no idea exactly when they were going to be on stage. When Collins announced Plant, Page, Jones, etc i jumped up and down on the fiberglass bench i had been sitting on since 8AM that morning i was so excited- until i heard a "CRACK" below my feet!! I spent so much energy when they were on stage after it was over i went back into walkway area with a jug of water and just sat on the floor for about 40 minutes, occasionally peaking my head out to see what was happening on stage. Live Aid was over for me. Yeh- the performance was not so great looking back afterwards but the anticipation in the days leading up and the absolute explosion of joy when they took the stage was unparalleled
I can feel the excitement in your words, thank you for sharing your recollection of events. Can't imagine how you felt to actually WATCH them on stage, the performance was a historic moment that deserves much appreciation. Joy, that's what it was!
When page rolls his eyes at plants “I have my own career” comment. 😂😂
Summarizes the entire Post Zeppelin relationship TO DATE. Plant's ego...is....strange.
Yeah, because Plant had, and still has, a successful solo career, unlike washed-up, has-been, Jimmy Page who hasn't done anything worthy of note for over 40 years.
All Jimmy Page can do is keep regurgitating the same old, played-out, tedious Dead Zeppelin material.
LOL !!!!!!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I think he has always wanted to push forward and do new things. Others maybe want to rehash old glories
What a top shelf video, mate. Happily subscribed
Hey Hey Hey, welcome aboard Jay, glad to hear this! Thank you for watching! Stay tuned for Episode 13 Premieres Saturday January 28th,
I had backstage passes to this show in Philly in 1985. There were a number of mistakes not just in Led Zeppelin's part of the show, but also a number of others as well. Believe it or not, that best SOUND of any artists were Duran Duran and the reason was very simple. They used a layer of backing tracks on top of playing live (no other band did that at the time at Live Aid) and they actually sounded like their studio recordings, which was flawless.
If there’s one thing I remember from Live Aid, it’s Simon LeBon butchering A View to a Kill with the bad note heard ‘round the world. He was out of breath the entire performance. Andy Taylor rocked at it though. It was also when he decided he was leaving Duran and they were never the same again.
Wow i did not know this, quite a revelation! Thank you so much for sharing this, so gear wise, many things were sort of improvised or fell under the pressure of expectations? How did backing tracks worked back then, how did they managed with clicks and all? Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I don't know what the actual equipment was, because I couldn't see that far back, however, it was very obvious that the drummer of Duran pressed a button and the clicks heard were very clear as well as all the synth sounds. Being a drummer myself, kind of blew me away because that's the first time I heard backing tracks used live. No other band that day had them and I was there for more then 15 hours at JFK stadium in Philly, front row as well as backstage.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Rush used a lot of Keyboards backing tracks in the 80's, starting in their Grace Under Pressure Tour in 1984, I heard that time that it was sincronized with the drums. But it was a Keyboard Sequencer, not a recording...
@@christiancazabonne You beat me too it. I saw them live a few times and every time some synth was heard that Lee didn't play, I saw him trigger it. Music magazines at the time had interviews where he said it would be easier to add a keyboardist to play instead of triggering samples etc. but 'Then it wouldn't be Rush'. The the best was when we got seats right behind the barriers to Lifeson's left. Nothing between us except a short fence.
Phil Collins is the man who can connect with everyone!
The Kevin Bacon of music
He connected with Jeffrey Epstein especially
A great drummer and musician Vincent!
Great episode! Watched right before I do a zep cover gig.. makes me excited to play and play better! Tony and Phil are both bad ass drummers! Sounded like Phil didn’t know he was going to play with Tony? Wow… interesting!
Regardless; that a very heavy amount of pressure; playing drums at a “Zeppelin reunion” .. in front of a packed stadium … and broadcast around the world .. with basically no proper rehearsal! And …. You are filling in for John Bonham!
Come on, these are factors that can easily get the best of anyone! Most have not clue what that pressure is like even if you are a top drummer or a top drummer who also happens to be a top songwriter/ singer solo artist! They all should have acquiesced to how much pressure was on them all and put a little more time into prep, rehearsal, schedule juggling and balancing etc..
but it’s 20 minutes compared the 1000’s of hours of amazing performances they all have given us ! 👍🏼
No rehearsal for a world broadcast IS INSANE indeed. That's like taking over a plan mid-air and "winging" it. You just don't. I agree more time into prep was the necessary step for this to have had a chance at all. Thank you for sharing your POV and i hope the Zepp Gig went great, saw the pics and the VISTALITE looked killer. Does any body remember LUDWIG!!! Happy New Year Brian!
I’ve binge watched this whole series,the work that’s gone into this is amazing. You’re also a great guitarist and live aid was on my birthday July 13th
Thank You BL! That means a lot! Doing my research has been quite an adventure and it made my day to read you have binge watching hehe. Stay tuned for Episode 13 of 15 premieres this Saturday January 28th!
Very interesting video, thank you! 😀👍 Living in Germany at that time and because of the time difference, I didn't watch many of the Philadelphia gigs, and the Led Zep' reunion was among the ones I _didn't_ get to see. I _still_ haven't watched the whole thing, for some reason, but I've heard sooo many negative things about it over the years, as if everyone's been ignoring anything positive on purpose! Phil says "I've had a great time!", but in truth he didn't really, because (according to his bio) he could feel from Tony that he was seen more like a rival by the latter and wanted this to be only his _own_ great moment as Led Zep's drummer. Hence there wasn't any team work between the two drummers, also resulting in those moments when Phil stopped playing altogether. And yes, Phil's kit definitely was much lower in the sound mix than Tony's, too!
Hope you can check the entire performance, its worth. The reason i didn't play long audio portions of it was because its been overplayed i think but please listen to it, despite the issues and all, the magic was there in a way. Phil tried to play it "corporate" backstage, his career was generating CRAZY REVENUES so yeah, bad move to take on a brawl with the might Zepp...but Plant knew, it was not the best result. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
Excellent analysis. I clicked on this and couldn't stop watching until the end.
I hope at least we can all agree Queen killed it at Live Aid 👑
That is a universal truth! Agreed!
I said the same thing! Exactly!
David Gilmour's Fender Strat died at Live Aid and switched to the candy apple red Strat that he would use in the post-Waters Pink Floyd era.
Queen were eh, Judas Priest were the best band that day. Zeppelin played better than Sabbath who were drugged out except for Bill Ward.
I remember the day so well, and the “would they, wouldn’t they?“ do it question. When Phil Collins introduced them it was so surreal. I was sitting in my living room watching TV somewhere around 5 pm on a Saturday afternoon. And Led Zeppelin casually take to the stage. Only JCM could put it all into such wonderful context weaving the drama while beautifully framing this landmark performance. Sure the music didn’t quite live up to it but did I care? Nah, I was watching Led Zeppelin live on television, six years after Knebworth, the second and final time I would hear them and watch them really live.
This story had to be told and you did such a great job as usual Jose.
I am honored that you find the context and editing here faithful to the events of 1985. I salute you sir, this was a great time for music no matter what some people say. Thank you so much for watching this one, i still believe it wasn't Phil Collins' fault.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Just cooking up some chilli while listening to “Hendrix In The West”. Looking forward to tonight’s main event “Tea For One”
My favorite part of Zep at Live Aid was Mark Goodman from MTV talking over the Rock and Roll drum intro... "I'm not going to give away the *whole* set, but that's Rock and Roll and THEY'RE DOING STAIRWAY!!!"
A classic line indeed, the excitement in that stadium was OVER THE TOP top top top top topppppppp!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Lol '77. And Mark didn't technically give away the WHOLE set hahahah.
@@mp-kq3vc thank God Mark was not a SPY for the CIA he would give away stuff Hahahhaha
I couldn’t stand Goodman he sucked . Martha was the best!!
@@Twotontessie Mark was a poser.
The drum intro to RnRoll is played incorrectly - the crash comes in at least a beat too early. Since it is unlikely, I don't think both drummers played the exact same incorrect notes in unison. I think one drummer was playing that intro. Since 1 rehearsed with the rest of the band and the other didn't, it would make sense that the rehearsed TT took the lead and played that intro and not PC. PC says he was miming a lot (makes sense if you don't know the parts). If you watch the whole performance, at times he isn't even playing at all - never mind miming.
Mime Collins :) hehe, man its a nightmare just to play with two guitars sometimes nevermind two drummers and such drummers whose character was STRONG. A show to remember and revisit! Thank you for tuning in Giancarlo! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Gracias amigo..looking forward to it
It TRULY WAS IMPRESSIVE, what Phil Collins did in that 24 hour period!
Absolutely, that is HARD WORK at its finest, i mean did the man really have a day off after Peter Gabriel left Genesis? No hehe. Stay tuned for Episode 14 on 1988 Part 2 coming up this Saturday February 4th!
Love phil collins is a legend and hardest working musicians to walk the face of the earth.
Great video---I was at the Brendan Byrne show where Page played with Plant---awesome show, Brian Setzer SMOKED during the Honeydrippers portion of the show, Anyway, the crazy thing was me and my buddy knew Page was there the whole time, cause he literally watched the show from the side of the stage in a folding chair and even though he had his back to us, we knew damn well who it was---great video---also recall seeing the firm in April 1985, awesome job really enjoyed the video and congrats to your parents!!
Wow great perspective on the show, so you guys knew beforehand, that the man himself was there? SO COOL. The Firm's shows from 1985 to 1986 were good yes, i like 1986 specially because of the closing track. My parents are happy to see this video gain so much traction hehe. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
It would have been tough for Phil Collins to fly to the UK after a massive stadium gig and then play his own show , but he had to fly over and be the first guy to play drums for Led zeppelin in public after John Bonham died. And do it in Wembley Stadium for a concert that is being simulcast across the globe. No pressure at all , Phil 🔥I would have loved to see Tony Thompson do it by himself personally because his style is more funky and hard hitting . Phil is a really interesting drummer who is versatile as hell . But Tony's style fit Zeppelin better .
You know, Phil being a Bonham fan, it must have been hard saying NO to this opportunity, how could he? I believe when he helped out Plant in 1983, his inner Zepp fan was thinking, OMG, this IS THE GUY. Tony Thompson was a great drummer, i just don't like his hard hitting little swing style, and i did revisit his Power Station album just to make sure. He was great with HIS own bands, Zeppelin needed someone like Cozy Powell or Simon Kirke IF they were gonna do a one-off.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Cozy Powell is a great choice and I agree on Kirke as well.
Once again, brilliantly done!!! Much thanks 🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️
My pleasure Gary, Happy New Year man! Glad you enjoyed it! Stay Tuned for Ep. 11!
Having two drummers just seems like a bad idea.
July 13, 1985, living in Beaufort SC, I watched Page, Plant & JPJ play Live Aide in my hometown of Philly. Unable to get tickets for the 1977 MSG shows, holding tickets for the 1980 Philly show and hearing that Bonzo died, the Live Aide show was a big deal. Until then TSRTS was all we had.
That's so cool you were able to go. I would have been the same if 1977 and 1980 didn't happen. When revisiting the footage for this episode i got excited, it was a good show despite what people say!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories What made it such an event was during the Zeppelin years they didn’t do TV or Media appearances, didn’t hang out in the media spot light…they toured and then disappeared until the next tour.
Phil's said, before getting the gig with Genesis, he'd follow Zeppelin around scoping out and learning Bonham's kick pedal technique, and has always credited him, along with Buddy Rich, Ringo, and Keith Moon, as being his biggest drum heroes. Bonham, apparently, didn't listen to much Genesis until Duke came out. but really liked that record.
Both were amazing "feel" drummers, and both very musical. Phil's drumming on Plant's first two albums wasn't his only contribution to Plant's solo career. He gave Plant a lot of confidence in the studio, and helped him craft songs with his arrangement ability.
Thank you for sharing your appreciation for my man Phil Collins, his career was truly formidable and exceptionally consistent. Genesis body of work is incredible. And yes, his contribution on Plant's first two solo albums deserves much praise! Hope you dig the episode!
your absolutely right they were both great drummers diff in the sense that john was a hard hitting drummer but he had magnificent feel and grove. phil was the same way he way more technical were he could play without overdoing the drums and knew where to put fills. phil was an amazing drummer people didn’t realize how complicated his early genesis songs were.
Phil Collins is a brilliant drummer. Would improve any band - but obviously rehearsal is still needed!
There's no way that's true. Collins was a far more skilled drummer than Bonham, they weren't even close on a technical level. Phil is in the class of guys like Bruford and Thompson.
Phils the only guy who had bigger louder drums and cymbals than Bonham even though it was because of a giant dose of serendipity on that early Peter Gabriel album. Duke was the very slight beginning of that. Bonham checked out just before Phil went full core big ass drum and cymbals waaaaay out in front of everything else.
Holy shit, that two-hand tapping was so fast, clean & even that I thought that was an analogue synth sequencer line until you started that descending line and cut to the guitar in-shot... is that you playing!?! Nice stuff :)
Thank you very much Dave, that is me playing yes! I really liked JPJ's work. The album as a whole is a gem! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Live Aid overall, both UK and USA was full of live mistakes/adaptations, but that was part of the charm as far as I was concerned. Why should Led Zeppelin with their complicated, sophisticated music be any different. At the time I didn't notice anything other than they were together again and they were incredible, they just have that special something. It was live, it was human, it was spectacular.
I remember it was awful. They chose the easiest songs of theirs to do and blew it....very sloppy.
Like you said Maria, they were HUMAN, that is a very good observation! Thank you for tuning in ! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th. Long Live the Zepps!
Well said Mario
It's nice to hear Robert, talking about watching Jimmy's gig with the firm, he always seems like such a lovely bloke, good taste in records too
I bet he wanted to take Paul Rodgers off the stage hehe. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Page never turned off the flanger because he wanted to sound like Mike Rutherford on “Follow you follow me.”
Haha good one, probably Page wanted to do that and ABACAB after!
In the video, there are a couple of split-second clips of Freddie Mercury actually taken from one of Queen's rehearsals for Live Aid (replete with a timer set to the ~18 mins stage time allotted).
While it's well known that Queen famously killed their set at Live Aid-- as they did at all of their shows-- what is less widely known is that-- talent aside-- a major factor of their success resulted from their professionalism, including, among other things, rehearsals.
The main problem here was that this rag- tag international ensemble of musicians-- some of whom either hadn't played together in years, had never played together at all and/or never played the songs-- never rehearsed yet believed that they could just wing it, somehow, in front of the whole world.
Nah, doesn't work that way!
Had they actually rehearsed, whatever deficiencies that may have existed could have been identified, and ironed out before the show, thereby avoiding a fiasco, at the very least
I agree, Queen was the standard for excellence at Live Aid, they did THE WORK. No Excuses, and after the Sun City scandal, it seemed like a good idea to go back to showing the world who they really were :)
Great video as always, thanks mate ✌️☺️
That's the reason why led zeppelin broke up? Probably not far wrong.
I always thought the problem with live aid was the 2 drummers trying to replace bonzo. The issue with that is, no can replace him in my opinion.
Glad you enjoyed it Paul! This video had a LOT To cover and it got me working beyond 7 to 11 every night hehe. No one can replace Bonham, his contribution was so much more than music...he was a FAN of the band, 1980 was such a tragic year. Stay tuned for Episode 11 next week! Happy New Year man!
I have learned that John Bonham was Zep's Biggest Fan, and, the Heart & Soul of Zeppelin.
It's a great video JCM, your efforts are appreciated.
You do some very impressive research! I've been a huge fan of Zep and their post-Zep careers for 30+ years, and yet I learn new things from many of your videos. Never knew that Collins discussed the reunion and setlist before they went on stage. Great stuff!
Thank you man, what an honor you being a huge Zepp Fan and you find new bits and pieces in these videos, means a lot. Poor Collins discussing the set prior to have the whole world watching....geez! hahaha
I saw Jaco Pastoris in The Blue Note jazz club from about 7' from the stage in the mid/late 1980's....I can't even imagine adding his greatness to Jimmy's in a live show. Amazing.
NO WAY you saw Jaco at close proximity, WOW, just WOW. I just got Weather Report's 8:30 album from 1979 btw, what a killer album, ALIENS those guys were!
Yes I did. The Blue Note jazz club in NYC is a very small club, and great artists not only perform there, but sit in the audience to listen to other great artists perform. One night I sat at the table right next to Al Jarreau to watch someone perform. I saw Jaco there....two steps from my table, which was right up against the stage. The stage is about 4' off the floor, and the dinner tables are butted right up against the stage. Jaco was out of this world great. I saw Miles Davis play there too.
You saw a homeless drug addicted jaco at his lowest. That’s beyond sad and not something to brag about People like you enabled him and had him homeless in a park where his basses were stolen. Awful
@@tektoniks_architects Yup, Blue Note is cool.
Fabulous Presentation - Thanks !!! !!!
Collins’ drumming made any band sound better.
Absolutely. He was the genius behind Frida's There's something going on !
Well done. Maybe you could do one about Black Sabbath at Live Aid. Another legendary band whose original lineup came together again for the gig (Bonham being the obvious exception for Zeppelin, of course).
I like the idea very much, you know that is ALSO one of the LOST performances in rock history for some reason, much like their 1974 CAL JAM which was overshadowed by Deep Purple and ELP. I will check it and decide how could i tell the story. Ozzy was in autopilot back then. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories You're welcome, no sweat.
As I remember, this when I saw it during my 2nd year of college, I remembered it being even worse than this. Maybe because I was expecting so much. I remembering the uncomfortable vibe from stage, Phil laying out at one point and seemingly way overshadowed by Tony and thinking why is Phil Collins up there? Also hearing strange beginnings to Rock and or Roll. Remember Phil being a beat opposite on Tony at one point and seeing Robert motion for Phil to just stop and that deer in the headlights look. Tony seemed more prepared.
Looking at this, I agree, Tony was pushing too much and in his own zone. With Bonham, they sped up and slowed down a lot, but together. They really did.
Remember that Zeppelin was at their peak in 1975 and just went down the sloppy, drunken and heroine road. This was thd most hyped event and reunion we had all dreamt of. It was as large of a disappointment. This would have been tough to do if well prepared. Which they were not.
Right 77 show in Silverdome was disappointing I saw them three times before 76 excellent shows alcohol drugs beginning of the end
I also believe their peak was 1975 but not sonically, putting Bonham on a drum riser didn't help in my opinion, that was a STRANGE move, and it we go into conspiracy theories or rabbit holes, it was like they were OFFERING him to the Powers to be, like a sacrifice altar....i hate it. Their peak was March 1973 forever and for Plant, well, March 1971. Thank you very much for watching! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Can't wait. Thanks for letting me rant.
This video was well researched and put together, thank you for doing this video.
Glad you enjoyed it Robin! Thank you very much for watching! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
Well done Sir! I enjoyed another good episode and waiting for more.. I was a teenager when I saw it live on tv and also recorded it on my VHR box , . I totally think that Phil might of put a lot on his plate for doing the drumming , but like he said , he is only human and he's still one of the greats of 80's if you want to compare all those guys solo career.. You brought up some good points , Mr. Thompson was trying to show up Phil to maybe further the career( but he was already a pro and great style) I'm sure pocket wise he might thought (smart man). What I remember that day, Page is one of the great musicians whoever lived but, he is horrible playing live at times and you can tell he was wasted ,and dancing goofy and very laughable at times. I also think was probably jealous of Collins's and Plant's history together. They all played a part in it but I'm sure Page doesn't want ppl to remember how bad he looked that day and could blame Phil Collins. Back stage , Plant doesn't want to blame page , because he still gets paid for Led Zepp's back royalties. Phil Collins is having health issues right now and hope he lives his life in peace, wishing him the best ! Long live Collins!
Thank you so much Brian! Agree that maybe Page felt some jealousy over Plant/Collins. I just feel that Collins get such a bad rap even with Genesis fans throwing the "sellout" claims...to see the state he is in NOW, i think people should respect and give him credit for SO MUCH!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories It was Page, wasted, like you said about the effects he was using on his guitar.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories agree
@@Madmaz70Bo87 good point!
Excellent video. Wow 🤩
I can see you done a lot more Zep vids too.
Subbed 100%
Thanks for the sub! And Thank you very much for watching Smith! Stay tuned for Episode 12 premieres this Saturday January 21st.
33:42 - some things can be overanalysed.
Many an audience member now know how a gig can be lessened by constantly photographing OR videoing it, and holding an annoying phone up etc & basically relying on technology to interpret the event for you AFTER the event instead of experiencing it DURING the event for oneself.
Somethings just have to be experienced “in the moment“
I witnessed LIVE AID like most: from in front of the TV and it has to be remembered/appreciated as a moment in time, and with that in mind, no one complained about the performance and everyone was just happy about The event.
A similar thing happened with the Rolling Stones and their withholding of rock ‘n’ roll Circus.
There was no real problems with that performance, either because, NOW, it was what it was because THEN it is what it is at the time
You are spot on about the Stones' Circus, the show was great indeed. Sometimes musicians can get stressed, very much.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories you are very right.
When musicians are thinking from the heart they can be great, but when they’re thinking from their head… Maybe not so much!😉
Another great video. I truly love your perspective and retrospective of Zep and 80's rock after the unfortunate passing of Bonzo.
Thank you very much Chris, means a lot! This video series has been quite a learning experience!
You can tell from the post-debacle interview that Plant's ego was what kept Zep from continuing. Just think of the shows they could have made for decades.
Absolutely man. You are right on the money. Thank you very much for watching.
In the 80's Phil Collins was everywhere, even in the Prince's Trust Galas, I remember that once of those concerts he played the drums to Peter Gabriel performing Sledgehammer!
I have to see that! Sounds incredible! Hehe
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories ua-cam.com/video/ftB23tIV_i8/v-deo.html
I love the deeply sinister tone of this documentary.... it's like he's investigating the JFK assassination or something...It is brilliantly overblown.
Hehe, thanks. That's probably YEARS of watching Unsolved Mysteries and E True Hollywood Story as a kid, back when those shows ROCKED. Robert Stack will forever be the voice of Sinister Narration!
As always, spectacular work on this documentary JCM, hat's off to you sir. @42:33, Robert Plan't full ego and wankery are on display here.The faces that Jones and Page when he's talking is the full telling. It's funny back in the early 80's when I was listening to all Led Zep's stuff without any video reference, makes me wish that in modern times I had not had the visuals like these to ruin the anominity of the characters in the band, especially Plant. They made the right decision to end it when they did. These performances prove that point, and I don't think so much that it was because they "wouldn't" do it without Bonzo, they probably knew they couldn't especially with one particular ego as seen here. Keep up the good work JCM, look forward to the next one.
Thank you very much Tom and Happy New Year btw! You know the more i look deep into the story and revisit places, i can see Bonham held the pieces together to a degree that i believe he gets credit for, psycologically speaking he had Plant grounded and humble whenever his ego got in the way. He had a good relationship WITH EVERYONE in the band while being the engine simultaneously. I believe his son Jason had the same fire and confidence but not the same skill level, but you can tell Page is happy to play with him, don't blame him, Robert's attitude is really where his Black Country demons rub people the wrong way.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Happy New Year to you too mate... What you say about Bonzo is probably right. Since he is the only one not there now, he must be that binding glue that is missing in the music. I sort of wish people would stop hoping for any type of re-union. Best to let it go, because it's too easy to be disappointed, especially as we are reminded so many times in your post Zep documentaries. That's what makes your docos so fascinating. Looking forward to the next one!
Absolutely, Plant comes across as a total preening prick.
It was a memorable moment. On that day everyone thought it was a GREAT performance. Blaming and bad words came later. PC and RP knew each other well and Plant wanted him to be on stage. Page probably didn't, PC was already considered a "top gunner" amongst drummers and was going to fill up the place of one of the very few drummers that was greater than him.
It wouldn't be the first time that Plant would have ask to remove his performancese from a similar event anyway. He did the same with his partecipation at the Freddie Mercury tribute.
Oh yes, Plant doing INNUENDO did make me feel bad as a fan when i watched it for the first time on UA-cam since i thought for many years that he ONLY did Crazy Little Thing which suited his voice and is similar to Zeppelin's Hot Dog. Robert's ego is an enigma, this research has allowed me to rethink many theories and come up with new ones of how the inner workings of the Zeppelin really worked. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I'm old enough to remember both the performances of the Live Aid and the FMT. In the latter it was immediately clear that Plant wasn't at his best expecially compared to perfectionists like Brian May and Roger Taylor. He also missed a part of the verse. Innuendo was an instant classic when it was released in 1991 and Plant had the honor/responsibility for its very first live execution. He did not so well but, then again, it must had been such an incredible pressure. For the Live Aid I think that most of the fuss was unnecessary raised by Page later. PC was (still is?) a real good friend of Plant. He was his drummer in his first 2 albums and his early tour... and PC was already the giant PC!
If we want to make a "parallel", PC in 1985 had to fill the Bonham legend. In 1992 Plant had to fill the Mercury Legend.
I suspect that, from times to times, legends should be stay resting. 🤣
Very, very well put together. 🙂
Thank you for tuning in Brandon! I appreciate it! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Saw this live at the time.(on TV) To me it felt rough but I knew it was thrown together last minuite and didnt expect perfection It was just fun to see them together again and the crowd certainly popped for them. It's been built up into this big disaster that at the time it didn't feel like to me. We called Phil Collins Intercontinental Phil after this 😅
Intercontinental hehe, yeah he was the epitome of that. The performance itself wasn't that bad really, people tend to exaggerate. But well, this is what the documentary is for :) Thank you for watching!
I was there too, with my friend Kevin from HS. It was a long day but a great show and time. Phil got a heroes welcome at JFK stadium when he arrived. Nobody blames Phil. Regardless of the performance we loved it all. The Hooters were a local band that had landed a few hits at that time and they were great to see too. By the way Phil never played that song Against All Odds on piano again i believe. He said in an interview recently he didn't even know how to play it on piano now, he did it in the studio and at Live Aid but never since. So that's a rare performance.
Wow i didn't know about The Hooters, do you recommend any album of theirs, i would like to check them out. Good to know Phil was received like the hero he IS. Against All Odds by the way had a PIANO intro that is reminiscent of EARTH SONG by Michael Jackson, believe it or not i couldn't use it because Copright but check it out, i spot that and was like MJ got it from here hehe. People underestimate how HARD is to sing and play piano all by yourself, imagine having a STADIUM looking at your every move. Only complaint i have from Phil that day are his vocal harmony lines with Sting...sounded weird hehe. Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Well Quincy Jones said MJ was a great thief 😅. My two favorite Hooters albums are One Way Home and of course Nervous Nights. Some great pop tunes on their, high energy band with a serious side too. I'd start with Nervous Nights. Will be watching for new episodes !
It’s an absolute tragedy to play in the air tonight and not have the drum fill.
Ahahahah.....i'm sure you don't know nothing about monster drumming by Collins in 70s with Genesis and fusion band Brand X.
@@massimolombardi1367 first of all I don’t know nothing? Can we at least attempt to pay attention to sentence structure? And finally, of course I know that Phil is a drummer. Like 10 minutes later he was on the Philly stage playing with Led Zeppelin. My point was, and it’s really half a joke, that if you play In the Air Tonight not just once but twice that day, you needed to have a drummer on stage to play the fill. Whatever you do with the rest of your days, don’t pretend you know half as much music as I do.
@@btoal2001 Don't take it so personally dude. People just like talking about music. It was a funny comment, and true. Like a lot of genesis and brand x fans lots of people just like to bring it up in comments because so many don't know phil apart from 80s songs. Moroccan Roll was better to me than face value, but thats maybe just me. I think he just wanted to bring it up on your funny comment (and true).
HAHAHAHAHAH you made me laugh man, that is WHY i edited that exact moment and you are the first person to make THIS comment. THANK YOU! What's interesting is that the UK audience just stood silent, the US crowd managed to clap in somewhat unison and SING the drum fill if you pay close attention. Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
What a memory trip. I caught both the Firm and Plant at the Byrne in NJ. This was the first time I'd heard anything from that plant show. I remember the "Any requests?" tease. Scott Muni, from WNEW in NYC opened teasing special guests. They closed with a Honeydrippers set with Paul Schaeffer, Brian Seltzer and Page
You my friend are a LUCKY man, thanks for sharing these moments. I am honored that you watched the episode! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
Wild to see all those stars in the 80s all together in one setting. Never thought I would see ozzy standing next to plant.
Imagine the conversation between the Prince of Darkness and The Principle of Moments hehe. Thank you for tuning in Thomas, stay tuned for Episode 11!
Ozzy must've been really shit faced at Live aid because his face was HUGE at that time.
@@dylanwatson1287 Sharon has claimed that Ozzy was addicted to Big Macs around this time, to the extent that his minders were told to keep him away from McDonalds outlets at all costs
@@TimmyTickle LMFAO! He almost makes me think of Vince Neil from Motley Crue now of how beloated he looks at Live Aid.
How Phil played Live Aid. During his No Jacket Required Tour he bumped into Robert in Dallas and Robert said “Can you get me at Live Aid” and Phil responded “Call Bill Graham” but Robert responded “Bill hates me” (still some bad feelings about the infamous 1977 Oakland disaster) and then Robert said “How about me, you and Jimmy (Page) play together” and Phil said enthusiastically “absolutely”. In between the encounter and Live Aid Bob Geldof suggested to Bill Graham that a Led Zeppelin reunion take place. Phil stated this in his book and a 1994 interview with VH1. When Phil arrived Robert was happy to see him but Jimmy who was drunk and on cocaine was not cordial and Phil asked him about the drum fill on the flamenco guitar section to Stairway and how it goes and Jimmy snapped at him. Then Tony Thompson was equally rude and Phil said to him that they play as a team and knew about the pitfalls of twin drumming as Phil did twin drumming in Genesis and his own solo career. Phil played brilliantly with Clapton and Phil’s only blunder was Whole Lotta Love thinking he was playing the album version but goofed during Tony’s drum fill. Tony was upfront in the mix on drums. I listen to the performance on headphones and Phil’s drums were low while Tony’s drums were loud and he was using Jamie Oldaker of Eric Clapton’s band drum kit as his Tama kit he used for The Powerstation was dismantled.
6:17 JPJ is an amazing bluegrass mandolinist, I love his mandolin playing
Is there anything John Paul Jones can't do? He is a MUSICIAN in every sense of the word! Thank you so much for watching, hope you enjoy the rest of the series.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories He has a great performing attitude, yeah hes a jack of all trades when it comes to music. And i will thanks.
I love your guitar and bass work my friend. Another stellar video
Thank you so much Bob, Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers to 1985!!!
So basically they put about as much preparation into this as if they were going to do an impromptu jam in a local bar in front of 15 people in the wee hours of the morning. Except they happened to be playing to about a billion people. Not just no rehearsal, but no rest, no communication... mistakes aren't the end of the world, but when they start to accumulate, it can start to feel like maybe you should have stayed in bed that morning.
They had a Communication Breakdown indeed! Great way of putting it! Thank you very much for watching Keith! Stay tuned for Episode 12 coming up this Saturday January 21st!
I saw this Led Zeppelin Reunion at the Live Aid here on UA-cam, I really like it.
Worth the price of admission right that reunion!
Freddie and Queen still had the most iconic performance this day.
Midge ure had good vocals?
Just seeing Zeppelin on stage together back then was a huge deal, because prior to Live Aid the thought of the band reuniting was out of the question. I think even Zeppelin themselves knew that and did everything they could to pull it together to make the show. Doing a brief rehearsal and then having 2 drummer not communicating with each other is not a good idea. The O2 show was world's sway a great performance and put together very carefully. If Zeppelin had capitalized on the O2 performance and reunited it would have worked and the world of fans that never seen them live would of had their chance.
You are 100% Correct Dave. The 02 Arena era had the potential but i do think the set list had to change a bit so Plant would same a voice afterwards for his solo career. Singing the hard rock hits every night is demanding. Imagine had they done Carouselambra, I'm Gonna Crawl, revive the acoustic set, so much.....now the more i got into my research, Plant is really a strange man, i will leave it at that. I don't believe Jimmy is the problem to be honest, yes he may have had personal lifestyle problems but Plant is really a troubled soul.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories I agree. Everything I have read in various biographies and books about the band it stem's back to Plant making the ultimate decision about reunions for various reasons.
You cant evenb hear Collins drum kit. I am a drummer, I can tell when a drummer is playing live. Theres lots of moments Collins is hitting drums and you hear nothing!! Maybe it was different on stage but the crowd never heard him.
Yeah, there's some parts where Phil is not FEEL COLLINS :) Thank you so much for watching!
Phil's drum kit is buried in the mix.
Excellent analysis once again Jose. I enjoyed this one quite a lot. Like with any massive event, I know exactly where I was and what I was doing when this all unfolded. 1985 was my first big rock concert which was RP Shaken n Stirred tour, Worcester Centrum. I clearly remember the build-up to the Live Aid set. It was long but finally they took the stage…and I still feel the same way today about than I did that day: happy but bummed out a little. I suppose I’m no different than millions of others on that. Hey, at least they did it. Their music was so toxic and addictive that even they themselves couldn’t believe when it all hatched in 1968. The ensemble that was LZ was unique as a thumbprint and simply never to be replicated - not even by them. Just like you’ve said: the remaining members are in competition with none other than…themselves! That’s one tall order - perhaps the tallest ever. Thank you Jose for your efforts. I really enjoy them!
Thank you for sharing this well-thought comment, i appreciate it! As you mentioned, as least they did it, and we have it on film, for good or bad, it was a HISTORICAL moment. It has a mixed feeling happiness to it for sure. Its true, the LZ ensemble NEVER imagined how the band would grow, so massive, to a deadly extent as we saw unfortunately. As a composer, once you hit a good song you like, the competition against one self can get tiring. Now think Jones, Page and Plant....icons...phew! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday January 14th!
My favorite part of this were the Phil Collins observations at the end. Made me admire Phil , someone I've never paid much attention to...by choice!
Phil was hurt for being made the scapegoat and rightfully so. Thank you for tuning in Chris! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories But why play without rehearsal (despite saying he was asked by Robert)? Likes to toss the blame around to others.
I agree!! Alcatrazz Disturbing The Peace is one of the greatest albums of all time!!! It’s truly one of my favorites.
Love to see appreciation for Alcatrazz! Wish Vai would release some of the archives he has from this period, as well as The Classfied! We've got Vai fandom in here too lol!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Steve Vai is still the best!!
Just got through watching 02 again yesterday. I think they more than redeemed themselves there. I hope you cover that in another series. Cheers!
Agreed 100%. The O2 performance certainly deserves a video of its own at some point.
Will do! Thanks on the table and i will give you a hint....working on the script RIGHT NOW :) just before premiering ANOTHER script i also have in stored!
With just one song, "Kashmir," they were redeemed at the O2.
02 musically decent. Vocally it was fucking horrid.
@@opticscolossalandepicvideo4879 Bullshit!
Great video by the way. Good story line, investigation and video clips. I bet it was tough to dig up all this "rare" material.
Thank you very much Dos Gos. This particular storyline was HARD yes. So much stuff going on, bits and pieces, i wanted to paint the whole picture. I found rare material under the rocks, many surprised ME and i was like....i have to use this!
Thank you for posting this. I was glued to MTV that day and the EC, Phil Collins, Led Zep run of performers was the highlight for me. Yes they were sloppy and rusty but I was just grateful for anything from Led Zeppelin again. Most don't ever mention that the Eric Clapton set was incredible and Phil was great just 15 minutes before Zeppelin came on, IMO.
Yes I think everyone seems to forget that Phil Collins played perfectly well with Eric Clapton's band and yet suddenly just a short while later he's blamed for Led Zeppelin's performance. I don't think Phil Collins was the problem.
Weird the Clapton set seems to be lost in time right? MTV did help this EVENT be HUGE i would say. Can't imagine the excitement at the time watching this LIVE! Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this coming Saturday January 14th.
Thank you for posting your video. Really detailed and well worth watching.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you very much for tuning in! Episode 12 coming up next week!
13:16-32: That's very interesting - like most Zep fans I knew about Robert's sell-off of his royalty rights to the Zep catalogue, and that Page is the one who's been in charge of later re-releases, but I always thought Robert had made a more complete divesting move, perhaps to get rid of debts, and that Page had become much more wealthy than him over time due to cashing in on the sustained interest in Zeppelin and their music. You're saying Plant is actually the richest of the three surviving members of the band here...could be true but are you sure about this? :)
I couldn't imagine that they didn't even tell Phil in advance that the Live Aid gig was going to be with two drummers - that's downright disrespectful to him, not least since he and Bonham had been old friends!
I did my research on their finances as deep as i could and yes, Plant is the wealthiest. One key aspect that separates him from Page is that he has generated more CASH than Jimmy. Musicians in the end rely on live shows with Streaming services cutting those profits and Plant has had many concerts. It also proves the point going out Making Money is better than living extremely cheap like Jimmy who likes EXPENSIVE art and houses lol.
@@leighstreet8298 Yes he did but the problem is past 1980. You see, the cash-flow thing is important and besides compoun interest through investing, generating income from live shows IS important.
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories thanks for the explanation, it's refreshing to hear the correct information. Great work by the way, subbed
@@leighstreet8298 Well, session work doesn't really generate royalties I think, normally you just get one-off ordinary pay. Even Clare Torry, who famously contributed the vocal that completely transformed "The Great Gig in the Sky" was paid just by the two hours or so that she had worked (decades later she sued the Floyd and finally won a co-writer credit for the song, goving her royalties for it from then on, but normally session musicians are not given such honours). Even Rick Wakeman is not getting anything for his highly distinctive piano playing on Bowie's Hunky Dory - I'm sure he was only paid a lump sum for participating on the album.
@@leighstreet8298 you don’t get royalties usually on that - you get a fee for your time/ service. Does nothing for you long term.
Great video. Where is Milwaukee, Michigan? It said that on the Firm US Tour 1985 Schedule in the video.
I know man...and i got it from their Touring Info, so my bad i know, but after 24/7 editing mode , i was probably tired!
@@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories Ha, No worries at all man. You make really great videos. I really enjoy them. I just thought that was funny.
"Phil Collins was the hardest working musician of the 80s"
...uh...Prince would like a word...
Prince was one of them too for sure, that statement was not aimed at leaving others outside of the hardworking category :) Thank you for tuning in! Episode 11 premieres this Saturday - January 14th!
As a drummer of 40 years, I simply say this, if you won't do your homework beforehand or show up for rehearsals on time then don't take gig. Recipe for disaster and he had plenty of time even on the planes to write out decent notes and notation had he chosen to. Smacks of "I'm so good, I'll just wing it, and it will be okay".
Absolutely Ross, you say it like it is, homework NEEDS to be done. Winging it is a trap most of the times, unless its an open JAM or someting. Thanks for watching! Episode 11 is up!
"We Are The World" is such a ghastly tune.
It is! i hate it hahahah
The British counterpart was much better.
Can’t remember other than Boy George was featured. 😆 and of course Collins was on drums wasn’t he
@@Twotontessie Yes,Feed The World.
i’d rather a miss firing zep any day 😂
@@Chrisdrumz
“Do they know it’s Christmas”
The tv director in JFK stadium wanted the cameras to focus on Phil Collins because he didn't know about Zeppelin & thought PC was the most important thing at the time. How times change