So true. This is only the 3rd time I have actually seen this done The other two were on trains I was travelling on and a locomotive brought up to our train to push us. It was a nice day as well just starting to rain when a train home came in so I got on that and it rained all the way back.
A very interesting video thank you. Good to see SNG in action on the mainline, in superb visual condition, and nice to see a 37 in action as well. The SPAD was a different aspect of the railways history being maintained, even with the modern electronic systems. The basic safety rules must continue.
Thank you John Sir Nigel looks really good in her new blue. I was not so sure when I read about the livery but seeing it in real I think it suits the A4 well. The 37 was a surprise the next day I saw it on Railcam Crewe hauling a new unit so it must of been going to collect that. The SPAD is something not often seen caught on video, the old way of placing detonators still cannot be dispensed with, a positive failsafe way of alerting a driver to danger ahead in an emergency or like here to guide a locomotive onto a train in an occupied section of track. In USA I saw on a video they still use red flares stuck in a sleeper to warn drivers, so they have also kept to something used from the beginning of their railways.
Great to see the reality of the rule book NOT put into action! For assistance, the detonators should be placed at 300metres from the rear of the train, OR placed at a signal protecting that train if less than 300m. In this case should have been at the signal. The dets here are about 60m away. 😂
I do not have a current rule book but the thing I noticed was the loco did not stop then proceed with a person using hand signals. The spacing of the detonators was short but there was little distance to put them in Perhaps they did not place them at the signal because of the close proximity of the platform as I think it said you had to be at least 10m away from them to avoid being hit by shrapnel. Interesting observations traindriver35
@cedarcam no need for handsignals, the driver of the 'failed' train should meet the assistance and conduct towards the train. I understand the issue when there's a platform full of gricers but those are the rules
It turned out a colourful day with all the different class 66 liveries My main mission to see Sir Nigel Gresley was better than I expected her new blue livery looks really nice.
Thank Mike This was a lot better day than expected when I set off to see the steam locomotive pass by. Some of those class 66 locos were built in Canada
Thank you Tidford Junction Steam nearly always gets the job done. I have been out and there has been chaos with failures and then the steam charter has turned up near enough on time. In ths case the diesel was not the problem but yes the irony of it.
I can only think that because of the wagon failing over the loop the signal was jammed at danger. Most likely the rescue loco wouldve had authorisation from the signaller to pass at danger, with the forms filled out. I also don’t know if its possible to disarm the detonators in that situation. Was also watching on railcam and wondered what that wagon was sat there for, now i know 😂
The line is divided into sections. Each section called a block is from one signal to 200yards past the next one so any train or wagon in the section locks the signal eg P444 at red until the section is clear again The signaller can authorise a rescue loco to pass a red signal and yes forms are filled in showing the reason why it was done. The detonators have to be clipped onto the rail as part of the procedure so the driver of the rescue loco knows he is getting close to the failed train. Here it is obvious but from the red signal to failed train can be a mile or more sometimes and in fog or round a curve you would not see the train until it was to late to stop. Railcam is great. I watch those cams a lot.
When entering a section to render assistance to a failed train the signal must be passed at danger. Clearing a signal means that the line is clear to the next signal including the overlap. When entering a platform to couple to another train in service a subsidiary signal will be provided ti indicate a train in the section ahead but when the subsidiary signal is cleared the main aspect will remain at danger.
@@warwicktregurtha4198 In this case the colour light would be locked at red anyway so it would be impossible to clear it. In purely mechanical signalling it was possible to do that. For entering an occupied platform the signal is a calling on signal, as you say a subsidiary displaying 2 white lights and a main route indication. These days the main signal for the train already in the platform needs to be showing a red aspect. In older installations that was not done and led to a rear end collision when the called on driver saw a green aspect ahead and thought the train had left the platform.
This was the first time I had seen one so do not know much about them yet I presume they have 4 small engines in there with 4 exhausts on the roof. t did sound to have some grunt and good acceleration.
@@cedarcam They are pretty cool units. I see the three-car units all the time at Chappel and Wakes Colne while I'm at the East Anglian Railway Museum. I believe that the power units were built in the middle to allow more clearance for step-free access.
@@gregkiteos1936 OK. I will get back to Peterborough one day and have a ride on one. I was thinking of doing a short trip on this day instead of setting off home after the steam loco arrived but waited to see what they were going to do with the removed wagon.
WOW great video this Cedar. A rare failure that on the waggon now a days and good somebody spotted it. Ending up being wrong line to reverse against a signal. Plus 66207 probably could not push the set back without further damage and possible derailment. Gresley looks great. And yes don't think i'll ever get used to those Stadlers it just doesn't seem british and obviously isn't. I am really surprised they went for that design.
It is rare to see a wagon failure these days but shows what can happen at Carlisle with the cement train, so good thing there was someone who got it stopped. I asked a MOM who was going to the train and asked what we were all waiting for He said someone called the box to tell them. I would of stayed longer to see what they did with the wagon but it was just starting to rain so set off back instead, also trains get very busy later on. Greasley was booked a 3 mins stop but only picked up a Nene Valley guy. The Stadlers are sure odd things I will go on one one day and see what they are like
@@cedarcam not sure. I think in a set they can maybe lock the breaks off on the one waggon and shunt it a short distance. But I also seen it happen where the break refuses to come off for hours
@@axldelticwalton1238 Yes they can isolate the brake and run it as unfitted. The wheels were still turning when it passed me, I did not know about the problem and wondered why it almost stopped in the platform with a yellow signal and no crew change, when it passed you could smell the pads burning then saw a guy walking down the platform who must of had a look at the wagon. It can happen that they get locked solid which is what happened at Carlisle causing the derailment
@@alistairkewish651 I do not know what happened with the cement train at Carlisle but for some reason a wheel set stopped rotating and caused a groove to be worn into the wheel which resulted in a derailment on points and a major incident as one wagon landed upside down partly in the river. At Peterborough the wheels were rotating and the brake pads had become so hot they were glowing. I did not know before the train passed me it had been reported then saw DB staff walking along the platform to go and inspect the wagon.
Great video lot of action must have been a good day out was hoping they would have painted SNG in the same green as the Scotsman i've only knowenit in green the blue was befor my time thanks Ceadar
Thank you Ian. I am glad I set off now. I was thinking a long way to go for a couple of minutes of video and it turned out a very good day. My favourite A4 is Union of South Africa in the BR green Scotsman now has. This blue looks nice but like you before my time so does not stir memories of them at Kings Cross as a little kid where I saw a few in their last year
It's a good thing you did run she was booked for a 3 mins stop and left very soon after stopping. I saw you round there but not seen the other two who ran by yet. I came from that platform because I thought it wold be a better view from further back than stood in the crowd close up. Thanks for your comment.
OK I had to look that up. There is a lot of that going on now not only on locomotives and it is not always to my taste. I don't know who or how they decide what to put on these locomotives.
@@cedarcam No worries at all and thanks, I did basically enjoy your video. I enjoy my railway interests but I have my own thoughts. I don't always go by what I am told to think, therefore this form of preaching does not always wear well with me. It is down to the times we are living in and there is so much of it everywhere you look. It's probably just down to the personal thoughts of some out of touch individual in an office somewhere. Years ago railways were basically seen to get on with the job and would be respected for not getting involved like this.
Bit of a click-bait title. This was a reg signal passed with authority. Title gives the impression that this was a full SPAD with 4498 involved. Otherwise, good video.
It was not my intention to make this click-bait it is a Signal Passed at Danger whether it is with authority or not. I pondered on a title as I like to give my videos a title rather than trains at Peterborough over and over again and thought of Gresley stops on yellow, Gresley picks up crew, Gresley makes a stop which I chose. Gresley gets a green would of been my choice but as shown it was a single yellow with a feather. All the details are in the description and I clearly show what happened and what passed the red signal. I am actually surprised how many views this has as normally around 200 is all I get. On Friday it had 74 and when I got home from a day out on Saturday it had 7k. Out of 21k views it now shows 207 likes and 7 dislikes so not many seem to think it click-bait. Thank you for your kind comment on the video overall showing what is an unusual thing to see and a beautiful looking A4 in it's new coat of BR Blue which not many locomotives had it was just a trial livery along with BR light green and the darker green that was chosen
Can't we just have a non-political railway without the slogans on locos about Ukraine, the NHS and climate, please? Interesting to see the detonators in operation, and interesting comment about them on this page somewhere.
I agree with you on that While they are something different to look at I prefer the co operate livery / company branding. I was only there around 3 hours and saw all these different slogans or as I just found out 'virtue signalling' As for the detonators I have only seen them used twice before in many years of being around trains so although used quite often a rare thing to see.
@@cedarcam Yes, sorry, I was just ranting and having a senior moment. As long as the chosen colour(s) is/are good, the plainer the better. Take the original Brush 4, for example - lovely. I also like the DB Cargo red. I think BR Rail Blue is a ghastly colour, but OK in the excellent Large Logo form. LNER Apple Green is lovely, especially the Doncaster shade, etc., etc. We all see these colours differently anyway and each of us likes different liveries. On a railway dominated by "sheds", younger people probably need some variety, and we all like an occasional laugh, don't we? Look at that 66 with flames all over it.... Now, what about stupid names? That's another topic.
@@mikeuk4130 No worries. Yes there are some good looking liveries past and present Love the 47 in two tone green and the large logo 37's are a favourite I remember steam in BR green and a maroon Stanier Coronation as a little kid. All there seems to be now is sheds on everything so not much to look at if they were all one colour We were lucky we had so much variety years ago. I am not so interested in the new trains we have so my main reason for this trip was for the steam loco. It turned out a colourful day in the end. Yes some loco names look odd after being brought up with locos named after ships, regiments, people and places
one of the fun things of train spotting is that you never know what the day will bring !
So true. This is only the 3rd time I have actually seen this done The other two were on trains I was travelling on and a locomotive brought up to our train to push us. It was a nice day as well just starting to rain when a train home came in so I got on that and it rained all the way back.
A very interesting video thank you. Good to see SNG in action on the mainline, in superb visual condition, and nice to see a 37 in action as well. The SPAD was a different aspect of the railways history being maintained, even with the modern electronic systems. The basic safety rules must continue.
Thank you John Sir Nigel looks really good in her new blue. I was not so sure when I read about the livery but seeing it in real I think it suits the A4 well. The 37 was a surprise the next day I saw it on Railcam Crewe hauling a new unit so it must of been going to collect that. The SPAD is something not often seen caught on video, the old way of placing detonators still cannot be dispensed with, a positive failsafe way of alerting a driver to danger ahead in an emergency or like here to guide a locomotive onto a train in an occupied section of track. In USA I saw on a video they still use red flares stuck in a sleeper to warn drivers, so they have also kept to something used from the beginning of their railways.
Great to see the reality of the rule book NOT put into action! For assistance, the detonators should be placed at 300metres from the rear of the train, OR placed at a signal protecting that train if less than 300m. In this case should have been at the signal. The dets here are about 60m away. 😂
Also didn’t stop after exploding 1st det.
it's ok, the whole station didn't blow up, and blame Libya again too.
I do not have a current rule book but the thing I noticed was the loco did not stop then proceed with a person using hand signals. The spacing of the detonators was short but there was little distance to put them in Perhaps they did not place them at the signal because of the close proximity of the platform as I think it said you had to be at least 10m away from them to avoid being hit by shrapnel. Interesting observations traindriver35
@@Mark-fx6ny I noticed that.
@cedarcam no need for handsignals, the driver of the 'failed' train should meet the assistance and conduct towards the train. I understand the issue when there's a platform full of gricers but those are the rules
Interesting scene caught well at Peterborough...well done. 🙂👏👍
Thankyou Barnston. I was on the crowded platform and glad I decided to walk round to the other. I was not expecting to see this happening.
Ah _that's_ where it is. Most videos I watch, the location is stated, but not this one for some reason.
@@RWL2012 Another clue to where it is is the Peterborough signs that are seen, most notably the one right in front of Sir Nigel Gresley's nameplate
Was amazing to see in person . It felt so different in person
Yes you cannot beat getting out and seeing things in person and there is often something unexpected to see like on this day.
Gotta love those Gresleys!
Sir Nigel looks better than I expected in her new blue.
A great haul of trains, with some cracking locos and a real beauty of a steam locomotive 👍
It turned out a colourful day with all the different class 66 liveries My main mission to see Sir Nigel Gresley was better than I expected her new blue livery looks really nice.
Fantastic video new here I enjoyed your video thanks for sharing 👍🏻🚂🎥TSM
Thank Mike This was a lot better day than expected when I set off to see the steam locomotive pass by. Some of those class 66 locos were built in Canada
Looks fantastic
A wonderful piece of irony watching a geriatric steam loco pass a modern failed diesel train! 😂😂 Well done, nice video.
Thank you Tidford Junction Steam nearly always gets the job done. I have been out and there has been chaos with failures and then the steam charter has turned up near enough on time. In ths case the diesel was not the problem but yes the irony of it.
Interesting video. Glad SNG isn't painted black any more.
Thank you Andrew. The black was only temporary. Certainly looking a lot better in a proper livery and should be in that for a few years at least now.
Good video Cedar. Thanks.
Thank you pk I am glad I went out for this there was a lot more to see than expected with that freight trains problem
Enjoyed that, thanks. As they say, it's an ill wind...
Thank you David. I was pleased to see all turned out well in the end. Could of been a lot worse
I thought that was Peterborough when I first saw the video thumbnail
Well spotted it does not show much of the station, the type of train that runs there the best clue
I can only think that because of the wagon failing over the loop the signal was jammed at danger. Most likely the rescue loco wouldve had authorisation from the signaller to pass at danger, with the forms filled out. I also don’t know if its possible to disarm the detonators in that situation. Was also watching on railcam and wondered what that wagon was sat there for, now i know 😂
The line is divided into sections. Each section called a block is from one signal to 200yards past the next one so any train or wagon in the section locks the signal eg P444 at red until the section is clear again The signaller can authorise a rescue loco to pass a red signal and yes forms are filled in showing the reason why it was done. The detonators have to be clipped onto the rail as part of the procedure so the driver of the rescue loco knows he is getting close to the failed train. Here it is obvious but from the red signal to failed train can be a mile or more sometimes and in fog or round a curve you would not see the train until it was to late to stop. Railcam is great. I watch those cams a lot.
When entering a section to render assistance to a failed train the signal must be passed at danger. Clearing a signal means that the line is clear to the next signal including the overlap. When entering a platform to couple to another train in service a subsidiary signal will be provided ti indicate a train in the section ahead but when the subsidiary signal is cleared the main aspect will remain at danger.
@@warwicktregurtha4198 In this case the colour light would be locked at red anyway so it would be impossible to clear it. In purely mechanical signalling it was possible to do that. For entering an occupied platform the signal is a calling on signal, as you say a subsidiary displaying 2 white lights and a main route indication. These days the main signal for the train already in the platform needs to be showing a red aspect. In older installations that was not done and led to a rear end collision when the called on driver saw a green aspect ahead and thought the train had left the platform.
The 755 departs (acts like a LNER 801 moter)
This was the first time I had seen one so do not know much about them yet I presume they have 4 small engines in there with 4 exhausts on the roof. t did sound to have some grunt and good acceleration.
@@cedarcam They are pretty cool units. I see the three-car units all the time at Chappel and Wakes Colne while I'm at the East Anglian Railway Museum. I believe that the power units were built in the middle to allow more clearance for step-free access.
@@gregkiteos1936 OK. I will get back to Peterborough one day and have a ride on one. I was thinking of doing a short trip on this day instead of setting off home after the steam loco arrived but waited to see what they were going to do with the removed wagon.
WOW great video this Cedar. A rare failure that on the waggon now a days and good somebody spotted it. Ending up being wrong line to reverse against a signal. Plus 66207 probably could not push the set back without further damage and possible derailment. Gresley looks great. And yes don't think i'll ever get used to those Stadlers it just doesn't seem british and obviously isn't. I am really surprised they went for that design.
It is rare to see a wagon failure these days but shows what can happen at Carlisle with the cement train, so good thing there was someone who got it stopped. I asked a MOM who was going to the train and asked what we were all waiting for He said someone called the box to tell them. I would of stayed longer to see what they did with the wagon but it was just starting to rain so set off back instead, also trains get very busy later on. Greasley was booked a 3 mins stop but only picked up a Nene Valley guy. The Stadlers are sure odd things I will go on one one day and see what they are like
@@cedarcam not sure. I think in a set they can maybe lock the breaks off on the one waggon and shunt it a short distance. But I also seen it happen where the break refuses to come off for hours
@@axldelticwalton1238 Yes they can isolate the brake and run it as unfitted. The wheels were still turning when it passed me, I did not know about the problem and wondered why it almost stopped in the platform with a yellow signal and no crew change, when it passed you could smell the pads burning then saw a guy walking down the platform who must of had a look at the wagon. It can happen that they get locked solid which is what happened at Carlisle causing the derailment
You are referring to the cement train, I assume?
@@alistairkewish651 I do not know what happened with the cement train at Carlisle but for some reason a wheel set stopped rotating and caused a groove to be worn into the wheel which resulted in a derailment on points and a major incident as one wagon landed upside down partly in the river. At Peterborough the wheels were rotating and the brake pads had become so hot they were glowing. I did not know before the train passed me it had been reported then saw DB staff walking along the platform to go and inspect the wagon.
Great video lot of action must have been a good day out was hoping they would have painted SNG in the same green as the Scotsman i've only knowenit in green the blue was befor my time thanks Ceadar
Thank you Ian. I am glad I set off now. I was thinking a long way to go for a couple of minutes of video and it turned out a very good day. My favourite A4 is Union of South Africa in the BR green Scotsman now has. This blue looks nice but like you before my time so does not stir memories of them at Kings Cross as a little kid where I saw a few in their last year
i've been absolutely had with these shots of me running down the platform lmao 8:24 9:28
It's a good thing you did run she was booked for a 3 mins stop and left very soon after stopping. I saw you round there but not seen the other two who ran by yet. I came from that platform because I thought it wold be a better view from further back than stood in the crowd close up. Thanks for your comment.
The Virtue Signalling from some of the locomotives will not be to everyones taste though.
OK I had to look that up. There is a lot of that going on now not only on locomotives and it is not always to my taste. I don't know who or how they decide what to put on these locomotives.
@@cedarcam No worries at all and thanks, I did basically enjoy your video. I enjoy my railway interests but I have my own thoughts. I don't always go by what I am told to think, therefore this form of preaching does not always wear well with me. It is down to the times we are living in and there is so much of it everywhere you look. It's probably just down to the personal thoughts of some out of touch individual in an office somewhere. Years ago railways were basically seen to get on with the job and would be respected for not getting involved like this.
@@levelcrossing150 It's true we are preached to like this all the time these days where ever you go.
Bit of a click-bait title. This was a reg signal passed with authority. Title gives the impression that this was a full SPAD with 4498 involved. Otherwise, good video.
It was not my intention to make this click-bait it is a Signal Passed at Danger whether it is with authority or not. I pondered on a title as I like to give my videos a title rather than trains at Peterborough over and over again and thought of Gresley stops on yellow, Gresley picks up crew, Gresley makes a stop which I chose. Gresley gets a green would of been my choice but as shown it was a single yellow with a feather. All the details are in the description and I clearly show what happened and what passed the red signal. I am actually surprised how many views this has as normally around 200 is all I get. On Friday it had 74 and when I got home from a day out on Saturday it had 7k. Out of 21k views it now shows 207 likes and 7 dislikes so not many seem to think it click-bait. Thank you for your kind comment on the video overall showing what is an unusual thing to see and a beautiful looking A4 in it's new coat of BR Blue which not many locomotives had it was just a trial livery along with BR light green and the darker green that was chosen
Typical kettle.
OK
Can't we just have a non-political railway without the slogans on locos about Ukraine, the NHS and climate, please? Interesting to see the detonators in operation, and interesting comment about them on this page somewhere.
I agree with you on that While they are something different to look at I prefer the co operate livery / company branding. I was only there around 3 hours and saw all these different slogans or as I just found out 'virtue signalling' As for the detonators I have only seen them used twice before in many years of being around trains so although used quite often a rare thing to see.
I enjoy seeing the Pride rainbow on the GBRailfreight 66. It brings some much needed gaiety and equality to the sometimes dreary and grimy railway.
@@mikeuk4130 The liveries are varied and for a lot add some interest to the journey. I would still rather have a uniform livery though.
@@cedarcam Yes, sorry, I was just ranting and having a senior moment. As long as the chosen colour(s) is/are good, the plainer the better. Take the original Brush 4, for example - lovely. I also like the DB Cargo red. I think BR Rail Blue is a ghastly colour, but OK in the excellent Large Logo form. LNER Apple Green is lovely, especially the Doncaster shade, etc., etc. We all see these colours differently anyway and each of us likes different liveries. On a railway dominated by "sheds", younger people probably need some variety, and we all like an occasional laugh, don't we? Look at that 66 with flames all over it....
Now, what about stupid names? That's another topic.
@@mikeuk4130 No worries. Yes there are some good looking liveries past and present Love the 47 in two tone green and the large logo 37's are a favourite I remember steam in BR green and a maroon Stanier Coronation as a little kid. All there seems to be now is sheds on everything so not much to look at if they were all one colour We were lucky we had so much variety years ago. I am not so interested in the new trains we have so my main reason for this trip was for the steam loco. It turned out a colourful day in the end. Yes some loco names look odd after being brought up with locos named after ships, regiments, people and places
I don’t get it - did the Gresley pass a red signal ??????
No All the details are in the description and you can see what happened
SNG on her way to NVR for a photo charter with freight and hauling passengers.
Thank you peebee I did not know she was going to haul freight as well as passenger.