Colorism (light skin/dark skin) is discussed on the Phil Donahue Show (1988)
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2021
- Rock Newman part of panel. Unfortunately first 5 minutes of the show was not viewable where Ebony describes how her grandmother would favor her lighter skinned sibling. 11:33 scene from Frank's Place (paper bag test). Keep in mind Spike Lee's "School Daze" was out in theatres at the time of the show
#RockNewman
#colorism
#paperbagtest
Colorism affects women and men differently
Dark skin men= sexy thugs
Dark woman=masculine rough
Light men=soft punks
Light women=feminine beautiful
This is true though. You aren’t blind
Grow in a Dominican neighborhood and come back to me.
I'm a multiracial afro Latino and dark skin is looked down for both the men and women in our community I guess it depends on where you live because Africa loves dark skin
@@fashionholic98free7if Africans love dark skin so much why are they bleaching their skin. Skin Bleaching is a multibillion dollar industry
Agreed.
Over 30 years later and this topic is still relevant
AGREE
It’s relevant because the self hatred in black people is ingrained and profound.
Jeez!😢
OK! And look at how "Phillip" be knowing some stuff about our people. Honestly!
I believe it will still be relevant 30 years from now. We have some deep-rooted social issues in this country when it comes to race and the necessary conversations
They had such a problem w/ this lady not wanting to ignore her WHOLE MOTHER!🤦🏽♀️🤣 The crowd was so ignorant. She’s literally saying I’m proud of my daddy but I’m proud of my mom too. And who gets to choose which side of my family I deny. She don’t wanna deny NEITHER!🤦🏽♀️😂
Im happy that black women have started to gatekeep and don't want biracial or multiracial categorized with them, but I think back then if you wanted to claim multiracial you were considered trying to distance your self from the comunity. When the truth is this woman didn't want to distance, she just wanted to embrace the Native American too. I also back then, if you were black and "other" there was a demand to ignore the other (i.e. native american, asian, etc.)
They missed her war cry,, and the thing is everyone don't let me generalize in the audience light dark all shades had a black mother..... white mothers tend to raise their children white until the world tells them otherwise. I feel it's a lack of not equipping them to how the world will perceive them...and who cares what the world thinks however if youe child is confused and not stable in their indentiy especially with the heavy load of racism in America. It's going to effect the child. Because the audience can't indentify with having a white mother they blew over it, I wish there was more unpacking for her...
@@blessgodess5146 AGREE....WHAT YOU SAID IS WHAT DOJA CAT IS GOING THRU...RASIED BY WHITE MOM LIVED WHITE UNTIL THE HATE CAME....
@@f.n.246 I AGREE CUZ THIS IS WHAT RAPPER LATTO WENT THRU....PEOPLE BITCHED BECUZ SHE CALLED HERSELF MULATTO AND THEY FELT SHE AS BRAGGING ABOUT HER MIXED RACE SHE WENT TO JUST LATTO......I HAVE A MIXED CHILD AND SHE REPS BOTH HER PARENTS....
@@vashtikelly6837 Yes, some do discriminate because of her heritage. Their main issue is the term “mulatto” and “mulatta” are discriminatory racial terms. They didn’t want promotion of that term. However if she called herself biracial they probably would have a problem with her calling herself that too because they wouldn’t understand.
I enjoyed watching Donahue run around his studio to get to the audience members. We don’t see this passion on tv anymore 😂
😭😭🤣😭U can tell he was over these black ppl tho
Nope, he was thoroughly engaged..speak for yourself
Thoroughly ?ihate to see how u pay attention cuz this was not it,I’m not judging it was funny I can only imagine a room full of 100 passionate ppl who all have something to say but only have 30secs to talk running around @70yrs old😭🤔😭😭because he the had to to still talk plus the actual guest and the ppl who called in,and u can also tell he really didn’t have a opinion because he’s a white man those issues didn’t affect his life most of the time he was looking like “these ppl want to just complain “ cmon now he comes from the same era as the one drop rule so I highly doubt he didn’t participate in the racism🤷🏾♀@@NubianQueen100
@@NubianQueen100right…🤦🏾♀️
Is that all you’ve got from this? His energetic scurrying around his audience to get a mic to them? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
To think we’re still having this issue 35 years later!
boring 💤
Always will.
Not surprising, since so many of the folks back then were in denial that the problem was as bad as it was (and still is).
Alot of issues will last throughout human existence.
Not to this extent
Linda wasn’t wrong. She was just way ahead of her time. She knew the history behind everything too.
She wasn’t necessarily ahead of her time. race is a social construct that is meant to separate whites from EVERYONE else. Telling people “im not black… im biracial.” Is kinda pointless. She said she wasn’t accepted by black people then when she hit 20 she realized she wanted to define herself as multiracial. What I got from that was she was experiencing discrimination from other youths. Not to say that she didn’t have it rough, but the real issue is, those black kids she was getting discriminated by were essentially… kids who lacked wisdom, maturity, and have a lot of insecurities. That doesn’t mean she isn’t black.
@@MayISpeak yes it is a social construct used to separate. But with it other devices thrive alongside it such as ethnicity & culture and a sense of identity. Her goal was not to deny her blackness. Her goal was to celebrate the 3 components that make up her racial identity all 3. She knows she is black just as much as she knows she is white. I don't believe she said she's not black as you mentioned.
@@MayISpeakthose kids also grew up accepting without their knowledge that they themselves were a affected by the hierarchical ideas of racism. This same kids that mocked her thought she had pretty hair.
@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502Those same kids internalized racism and thought she was better, that’s why she was bullied because of their insecurity.
@@CC-pu6qn they thought that she thought she was better than they. Internalized racism? What other type is there. Those children were raised in a society that deems light skin as preferential to dark skin.
There is nothing wrong with multiracial, I agree with this lady 100%
I totally agree. I am from Trinidad I live in the US and I’m what they call a callaloo. That’s because I am mixed with soo many different races. I was raised by my grandmother since my mother migrated when I was a toddler. She was white, Hispanic and East Indian but since I’m here I have to totally deny her because people look at me and say I’m black. My grandfather was a black man and I never even knew him. She was my everything and to deny her lineage in me is crazy.
@@CtmorgansHispanic is not a race.
🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀They said what they said u ain’t learn nothing from this video @@kisha4040
The question then becomes how do we define this.
Well who defined the words black African American,Latinos,Irish,etc?@@CC-pu6qn
Wow I remember this episode of Donahue. He was the goat of daytime tv shows. He had so many educational shows.
When daytime TV was good and they had something to say🎉🎉
Its amazing how much tv along with everything else mainstream has devolved!
he and opra were tye ones who brought these subjects to a head
@@michelemiletich7540 I would pick Donahue over Oprah any day.
She is multiracial. It’s not distancing, it’s reality. We can see she’s not phenotypically black, nor genetically.
I agree. The hate against multiracial people is disgusting. Not all mixed race people are a result of something horrible like slavery, r**e or abuse. Most of the time, mixed race children are the result of strong, genuine love that has endured despite all of the crap society has thrown at them.
Life is easy if you have a relationship with someone who looks like you. The real test of love is if you stay together and love eachother despite everyone hating you and wanting you to fail.
But this was a real issue back then. I was denigrated by more Blacks for being mixed than anyone else in the 80s and 90s.
Lately, sure. Historically? No.@@coolbreeze5683
This thread shows folks here reality...She has to take the good the bad the privilege it all goes hand & hand..
Whites like to complain about so called reverse racism but not the privileges...You have to take the good with the bad,it is what it is!@
@@coolbreeze5683yep
This is like watching a live action Twitter comment section with all the audience participation
lmao!
I agree but it's better in my opinion.
Remember when talk shows were not just about the host talking but about the audience, love this
Same!! I love seeing the feedback and different depths /angles to whichever topic - are there other shows similar to his?
🥅
This was a good show. I like watching the old shows. They bring so much knowledge. We need these kinda shows today.
It wont help
@@Indigal
There are a lot of ate-up narcissists (majority of yite people), who would not be able to endure it today because any truth hurts them. If it's about actual reality, they (the narcs) can only bring their non-reality where they are offended by everything except their own evil and wickedness.
@@IndigalYou took the words right out of my mouth. Black people still to this day not only deny that the problem is as prevalent as it, but they also deny that it’s the responsibility of black folks to fix it. They’re still praying, wishing, waiting, and hoping for their oppressor to have a heart and take his foot off of their necks. Plain dumb, if you ask me.
I agree with the multiracial woman. I am mixed, with a black mom and white dad. Saying what you literally are is not denying one of the races that you are. And also, not ALL black people will see you as black if you are mixed, and rightfully so. Nothing wrong with being proud of being mixed and accepting all parts of that. Being mixed, we can never understand fully what it's like to be black or white or whatever other mix we are.
I’m glad to hear that
I’ll make you blacker
I can assure you that not all black people see you as black. A lot of them just don’t say anything in fear of being called divisive.
@@frenchgirl5878 I actually agree w what you said. Many blacks don’t actually see biracials as black but we say that we do bc we don’t wanna be called jealous, divisive and “worse than the white ppl”. My bf is white and he asked why black ppl see biracial ppl as black bc in his family they don’t call them that
@@frenchgirl5878 I didn’t say all black people. And that is where confusion lies; some black people get offended if biracials say they’re black and some get offended if biracials say they’re mixed. The best way to stop that confusion as biracials is to claim both sides and not care what others say or think. And same with fully black people. Don’t be afraid to say that mixed people aren’t black….they’re mixed!
The man with dreadlocks is very intelligent
That woman was ahead of her time!
Very much. A shame how quickly she was shut down and dismissed.
Sorry, No she wasn’t. She not denying her experience, but when she said that black people didn’t accept her, she was talking about youths who lack maturity and knowledge. Unfortunately she let those kids ruin her outlook on life. Wise people know that saying you are black isn’t about “denying/ignoring your other side”. It simply means you have african lineage whether u have a lot of it or less of it. Wise people know that race is a social construct made only to distinguish groups of people.
@@MayISpeak yes she was ahead of her time!!!! Biracial and multi racial isn’t black 🙄🤷🏽♀️
@@appointedvillainy definitely agree with you and they still dismiss it today
@@LibraVibesSnice80😂
I was a HUGE talk show junky!! And this was our social media back then, I miss these shows!!!
My generation watched this when we stayed home sick from school. We actually learned something. We learned about different people. We learned about ourselves. When my kids stay home they watch crap reality tv that they learn nothing from except how to be hypersexual and hate people.
Dont forget the victim shows
People have bin hating people waaay before ur kids even existed
Straight facts!
Game shows had knowledge too..stupid reality shows, should JUST GO WWAY
Sounds like bad parenting.
It's 2023 now. This issue is still very much the same. It will never go away, just like racism. Certain things will never change..
Now everyone wants to be just Latinos are considered the new black I wish they can see this cuz this is what blacks looked like besides the mixed folks
You're right it's in our family's my daughter was rejected because of her dark skin, and my other daughter was fine
@@phgates6967I hope you ain’t let them people play in your kids face…..
@@hellothere8347huh?
Phil Donahue was an excellent talk show host. He spoke
To everyone. Made them feel welcome and heard while taking on difficult topics.
Masterful
I miss this
We went from this to Jerry springer in a matter of a decade.
Unfortunately some black people continue to perpetuate, self hatred."
They were clinging on to that one drop rule for dear life back then lol
Which is BS
@@apriltaurus1656 Absolutely
The “one drop” rule is pseudoscience at its worst. Human beings are 99.9% identical at the genetic level.
It's mainly white people who clinged to that rule...and enforced it in every way. It was REALITY- it affected everyone's upward mobility to be associated/affiliated with blackness, opportunities, and even physical safety. It's native to say they were "clinging" onto such a rule that was/still is in many ways) enforced by white people in every aspect of society...and a reflection of white supremacy.
They’re still clinging onto it.
I'm a BLACK man who likes all colors of women but honestly I always wanted a darker complexion 🌑
Wow this audience and the panel - it’s been a while since I have seen intelligent discussions on a talk show like this.
This is definitely still a relevant topic and needs to be addressed at all levels within the community. It starts from within.
“Edward Lawson” Dark Skin Black was really the headline good lord
😂
I said the same ish😂
That's what I said
35 years later and this topic is very much prevalent in the black community today as we see on social media non stop. I hope Millennials, Gen Z, and younger generations to come watch this video so that we can learn to disrupt this thought process. Some of us have but there are still some who don’t understand the history and still cling to society’s standard of beauty.
True.
There are some that still cling to a warped society's opinion as to what is beautiful. Though, I say they are a minority today regarding colorism. The new damage... destruction by self- prophesy via the sellout/slave music. What is the doctrine of Balaam...
As a gen z, bringing this up to older black people ends up in a conversation about me personally being insecure which is very untrue. My mother is light brown, and my grandmother was a light skin. My grandmother and mother made me feel good about being brown/dark however talking to my mom, she cannot process the fact that it’s not about whether a boy likes me, it’s about how I am treated and discriminated against just as if it were Jim Crow dealing and dealing with prejudices White people. I do place differentiations on white passing, mixed race, and visible blackness because there are layers of privilege to each variant of lightness, however it all boils down to their attitudes. Pretending like colorism isn’t a problem instantly makes me dislike you and victimizing oneself and demonizing others for being oppressed is downright disgusting. You can acknowledge being mistreated and picked on without discrediting the truth. The reason light skinned and light skinned mixed race people get push back is because of oppression, because they feel inferior, not because they prefer darker skin. They see you as the villain and in someways you have to stand your ground but make them realize that you aren’t the enemy.
This also exist in India, the light skinned Indians from the north look down on the dark skinned Indians of the south.
Same thing hap p ens in Latino Community😮😅
Silly
@@evelynbeveraggi8724 why is it silly?
The hatred of dark skin Is an ancient demonic evil that operates through these people. God originally created everyone black. We were made in his image. When you realize this (what the bible states) it starts to make sense why things are the way they are.
They... the (colonizers) colonized/slaughtered males mated with darker populace of females and intentionally bred the black skin out of many of these regions causing all these mixed people/lighter skinned versions of each race for thousands of years. They created colorisms and caste systems. The damage is done and nobody points the finger at white people. The entire thing is because of them.
The truth is hidden from people. But when you look at every nation there are still the original black/unmixed populations remaining.
From Asia to East Africa (Aka "the middle east" to India, Latin America, Oceania to North Africa and Polynesia. All of these countries were originally darker skinned. Arabs used to be black people. Now look at them. They're mixed and white pretty much in 2023. This is how they (colonizers) were able to conquer the races. By washing away the black from these regions. And getting many to hate on the African blacks.
Baby this is about black ppl yes it’s always skin color but we’re talking about something different I wish non black ppl would stop trying to take away from us smh
Why should she ignore her biracial heritage
Because her Caucasian ancestors have taught the US for children of Blacks and Caucasians to ignore her European heritage because they were ashamed of their bi-racial children's image.
There’s no such thing as biracial. That’s a new division whites came up with
When you pretend to be one when both that is ignoring your biracial heritage. Also white people made it so mixed with white people wouldn't acknowledge that side but only see them as black. Black people have now followed and want them to acknowledge they're black or mixed with Black
There is no such thing is “i’m not black I’m biracial.” Like what do u mean? Biracial can mean mixed with indian, chinese, native etc. Also race is a bunch of made up crap. Why are we even validating it by taking it seriously. Like I’m not saying we shouldn’t call ourselves black I’m saying its stupid to treat it like its more than just a social construct.
Loved the lady in the blue that said she stood up for her sister
yeah she was cute with that defiant look and stance and Phil busted me up when he said he didn't want to be on her bad side (or get her mad).
Such an intelligent audience, great presentarion. They don't make talk shows like this anymore.
Thank You
He hit the nail on the damn head!!!!!! We are viewed as, "just another...." despite our complexion! They don't pay any attention to the hue, but we do? Maybe one day everything will come together!
First time I could relate to everyone who spoke. Everyone had their truth but I felt Ebony’s pain.
It’s interesting to watch this! This was long before the comment section of youtube, fb, IG, etc.!
lol yes, ppl had opinions in the Dark Ages too. 😁
I don't know what brought me here but i just wanted to point out the pattern of some individuals, without fail, using the blanket statement " We are all black" in these conversation. "We are all black" yet we get treated differently because of our skin tones
Thank you so much for posting this video! There’s so much research to explore from the open conversation!! I wish there was version of this today - they really respect and give each other a chance to speak (not always but it’s good to see)
Facts
There would never be a show on tv today like this with this topic
WOW! This show is really interesting and so timely in 2023. My family never expressed or showed any light skin / dark skin attitudes. We all were just family. My dad now 84 and his side of the family is very light skinned. My mother and her side has a dark shade. Among my siblings, I am brown-a lil lighter than my mother, Sis is orange, Bro is red, 😂. My maternal grandma was dark skinned Creole. EVERYBODY was/is different shade. Although the historical reality of it is unsettling, I feel the end result is interesting.
I feel ya. In my family we are all around the same tone with the exception of a few and we just never talked about skin tone. We never made fun of the dark skinned and they never expressed what they went through. So when I got older and talked to other friends I realized this is a BIG issue in the black community. A very big wake up call for me as a young adult.
I used to love The Donahue show! I learned so much from his show. So poignant
I don't know how this popped up on my timeline, but this was a GOOD WATCH!!!
Yes it just popped up in my timeliness too 😊
Mines also.
God works in mysterious ways. All credit to him ❤
Phil D was going off like he was a black man 😂😂😂
Lol, thinking the same..
I'm Puerto Rican, Portuguese and Corsican and I grew up in Hawai'i everyone who lives in Hawai'i is mixed, some are mixed even within their own cultural circle. I never knew anything else but mixed races. I'm blessed to grow up in a place where we don't have to worry about people constantly treating others less then themselves. We are a multicultural place of peace 🕊️🙏🏾✨
Amen. But here in america ytz n blks hste each other so much that mix ppl no matter the amount. U a r judge on skin. N blks hate light colors pll no matter what. Bc ytz are more acceptable of them bc ppl see mix ppl as soft n docile. Which they are far from.
Aloha
And that is just the way it should be
Multicultural uniculture lol
@@joltjolt5060it only makes a difference when you're NOT mixed with black smh... No one cares if you're mixed with 20 different races that are not black
There is a difference between mixed light skin and just light skinned black btw lol…oh the 80s 😂❤
Facts 🤣😂💀💯 Light skinned means both parents are black they just have lighter skin. Mixed or biracial means both parents aren’t black.
I just learned this a few years ago, haha. And I am mixed.
People still say light skin & Black as of light skin people aren’t Black as well. It’s very bizarre.
@@tinyking11yeah, but where did that light skin come from? However many generations ago, they were mixed race
@@NiKiMa023 Past Generations of mixed/non-black family members has nothing to do with the actual parents now. They are currently black just light skinned. I have white ancestry and both of my parents of fully black and brown skinned.
Loved all the talk shows.
Ricki lake
Montell Williams
Sally jessy
Old Oprah
Early Jerry lol
Geraldo
We watched them all in the 🇬🇧. Loved my childhood.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! The host worked!!!! Lord! Running back and forth with the microphone 😂
The black women were spot on then and nothing has changed now. Black men still only want light skinned or non black women. Nothing changed, if anything it got worse❤
Big Facts! This mentality has been going on for over a 50 years now. 🤧😐💯
And it will continue to get worse.
Especially now that bbl has hit the seen lol
But when black women call it out we get gaslit and deflected. Why can’t they just be honest?
Yes but thank goodness a lot of dark skinned sisters are not hell bent on being with black men anymore ! They’re are starting to date out of the black race more and more as well 🎉❤. Every cause has a effect !
Dang. That guy was the first auditor who won a lawsuit for racial profiling. Times have changed, but for the worse. There is nothing wrong with saying you are multiracial if one wants to. I have only experienced black people telling me that I am not black because of my skin color. Not mad at them for it anymore. But - this issue will never go away. No matter what we do. The history of this place is too tainted.
GOD DIDN'T MAKE NO MISTAKES😢😢😢
Being mixed: Let’s talk about having a white mama vs having black mama 🤓
Exactly because while these men keep praising white women as better fit women, I keep hearing their biracial children say different
No
Oh there's a huge difference there! Biracial people with black versus white moms are totally different!
@@PaisleyMarie80 as a biracial male with a Black mom ( continental african one ) .i can attest that there is a huge difference in terms of cultural access . Even our phenotypes are dfferents.
ESPECIALLY having a BLK father and he’s nowhere to be found… N The children are then raised by two elderly white people and their white mother. I’ve been to too many family reunions on my father side… and although me and my little sister caught subliminal hell out of my father‘s family and I don’t speak to any of them there’s a vast difference in how cousins that brought home black babies who were girls are treated versus my father had black wife and dated black women was treated
And yes in the last 30 plus years… they have replaced the unambiguous black woman with ambiguous black looking women with mixed features and much lighter skin/looser hair in all shows/media.
Speak on it👏👏👏👏and every Latino is apparently black now basically any person of color This is what they wanted the erasure of black
No they haven't. There was always a mixture of the two.
@@tias.6675 you’re in denial. Open your eyes and then come back to this comment.
@@tias.6675no they definitely have replaced us
Where?
It's funny how they wouldn't dream of calling the woman in blue, white even though she is more white than she anything else having one parent fully Caucasian . Yet they advise that she start identifying as a black person.
Now I see why most mixed kid is sensitive I never said nothing like that to anyone smh that is crazy to tell someone what they are
One drop rule/ phenotype
The literal translation in Irish for a black person is a blue person. There are no black or white people in Ireland. Just a fun fact there 💁♀️
This is so relevant to this day.
There are so many people who claim to be half black and half native american or say they have a parent of that mix and yet I have *never* seen a mixed race black and native american couple. Where are they???
Agreed
my great grand parents
What is really sad is that some of us have issues with our hair, skin and features. Love yourself no matter what you look like. Black is beautiful. All shades shades of black.
Agreed, work with what you got.
I think the guy was mixed idc but he wants to be called just black,the lady knows what where she came from and the audience rumbling about is weird why does she have to just black if she multiple race different cultures ?
Whats weird about the fact that clearly 30 years ago people had different views? We all know the one drop rule was prevalent back then, that's why they were grumbling. This is clearly a reflection of the time and it's interesting to see.
That woman was right though and she got her wish. Mixed race people are considered their own racial group now. This topic is an evolving discussion.
24:03 I love how everyone tuned in - on the phone , in person , me I love the way everyone asserts their pov and stands on it
Nothing has hurt me more than feeling separated from my family due to being light skinned. I love everyone & I wish we could heal this mentality that we’re any different. Your skin may be darker, lighter, or somewhere in between but you are my FAMILY and we share the same blood & ancestors & I love you! I fight, you fight, WE fight. Period. Good discussion here!
Hsir texture smd noses too
People want the lips
Yes.STOP the colorism prejudice!!!Africans unite!!!
Respect to you 🫡
loooool Donahue near the end: "You're behaving like an audience of white people would!" 🤭 Basically just called the all-Black audience bougie.
Micro aggressions.
Bougie isn't a bad thing.
That mixed lady was ahead of her time. Damn we really brainwashed 2:00
I believe now we are more understanding to multiracial people being proud of their mix heritage. We also value black ppl who are not biracial and should have the right to keep their identity as “black” separate from those who are biracial. One point I want to add that I think the guest looked over is that most of the light skinned biracial of this century majority come from black men willingly having children with non-black women vs during slavery time the black women were raped and forced to have those children.
I find it strange that Edward C. Lawson has died and his death is a mystery with no obituary. Rest in peace intelligent king and warrior.
Apparently he died of pancreatic cancer 2011
ua-cam.com/play/PLBMj8IlWJTWnedZmAPAG2B1Ulmam26INU.html
His life seems to be a bit of a mystery. I had to do a Google to see where some of these folks were now. Rock Newman seems to have had an interesting go
@@brotherhannibal411 oh ok. Thank you for the update.
Wow this discussion took place on national television when i was a baby and i had no idea. Great discussion!
Thanks for posting this. I’d like to review it
Phil dropped a gem when asked “who isn’t mixed?” Nobody caught it tho
BUT I bet Mr.Donahue ain't going around calling HIMSELF mixed. If EVERYBODY is mixed as he claimed, why would he take issue with this young woman identifying as such??? No gem dropped imo
@@tajmahal8472 what are you basing your assumption that he doesn’t refer to himself as mixed on? He literally just said he was
@@tajmahal8472 The fact he said "who isn't mixed" is an indication that he knows he has some mixed heritage.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THIS TOPIC IS STILL RELEVANT WHETHER PEOPLE ADDRESS IT OR NOT!!!!!!!!
I've been eager to see this episode since watching the 1990 episode with Rock Newman that's been on UA-cam for over a decade that I saw back in 2009 or 2010 when uploaded by another channel. In that episode, Phil mentioned him being on the show before to discuss the same topic they do there when it came to skin color and racial identity. I'm assume this is that episode unless Rock made another appearance afterwards I don't know about, but I don't think he did. To think this been on here for almost three years (posted May 15, 2021) and I knew nothing about it until now (March 2, 2024).
That is so amazing that Donahue did this episode with an all black panel and audience. He did it all in a respectful and honest way too. Day time talk shows were not always the most sensitive to the participants involved.
In a perfect world, it wouldn’t matter what shade our skin is. But in this fallen world this divide was caused by sinful people a long time ago. The enemy wants to keep people at odds. He knows we are stronger together‼️💔😢🙏
When you'd mostly see ADOS people instead of everyone else. Beautiful group ❤️
I was invited to the Ebony Magazine Awards, in 1991-1992.
I felt like I was in heaven because I grew up around light and brown skin all my life. Or dark brown and being around all olive dark skin people was like a dream come true.
Since I only saw them on the VHS videos or Souls on TV every Saturday morning. In NewZealand in 1984-1990, when they were still on LP and tapes, but heard Michael Jackson & the 5Jackson, since 1976-1979 in Saoluafata Samoa on the LP. With my grandpa Motuga, In Jesus Name Amen and Amen. N Mississippi Road along with Linda Rondstant. N Marie Osmond and Donny Osmond as well as a lot more like Fernando and ABBA and the Beatles obla dee obla dah. Life goes on even after Michael Jackson passes in 2009. So I learned to depend on God for the next life of being with Michael Jackson and others in there concert like the Beatles.
Love you guys and the Soul dancers ...on Saturdays....
We're all multi-racial. It's not the tone of the skin that makes one beautiful, but the features. Light-skinned doesn't make you pretty. Black skin doesn't make you ugly.
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@Sharondavis3535 Wrong. We are NOT all multiracial. Black Americans (and other descendants of slavery throughout the world) are multiracial due to rape of their wrongfully enslaved maternal ancestors.
Black Americans are a tiny fraction of black people on the planet. There are over a billion unmixed black people in Africa alone. So we are NOT all multiracial.
That’s what most of your communitah believe though. Looking over good candidates who could be suitable for marriage all because they not light skin 🤦🏾♀️.
And black skin doesn’t make you beautiful and light skin doesn’t make you ugly🤷🏽♀️
Ahh.. boo. WELL DUH of course. And duh however it doesn't matter what the truth is. That's the point.
Such beautiful Black family. Just about all the brother are dressed in suits, sweaters, Sisters are dressed classy with little to no makeup and all their real features. We’re such a great people. ❤
I want to see the beginning of this episode
That guy became Riddick Bowes Trainer years later
33:40 Phil said “ why can’t she say that without making you angry” 😂🤣
the issue is in the tissues. Black Trauma is deep. Must be healed individually.
These people all have a point. However, anyone who has done research on their family with African ancestry, this goes way back about being taught in slavery white is right. We as a people simply were brainwashed into believing the lighter you are that somehow you are in a different category.
My family was like that. Sometimes a person would hide their ethnicity from their spouse. The spouse did not know the were married to someone who had African ancestry. This went on with many of my ancestors. So it wasnt just being raped it was that because they could pass for white and leave being black behind.
That's understandable, but that's not what the lady was trying to do here. She just wanted to accept all parts of herself. But your comment opened my eyes to a whole other issue...that black people might see mixed people claiming their mixed heritage as "white passing" or like you said, "leaving being black behind." Very eye opening.
True light skinned people are unequivocally black. If you can hide your African ancestry, you are other.
It's called bleaching the color line.
Light skin people always say we need to get over it.
Those here stay gaslighting people SMH !
Love the old adverts ❤
And yeah in 30 years, guess what we'll be talking about? This. BECAUSE people do not want to change their mind. And it is disgusting. Dark skin women. I love you🤎💜! One of a kind!
Dude with the dreads was 100% correct!!!
He died in 2011 unfortunately
So sad that this is still a thing today
I love seeing these vintages
Were still having these conversations two generations later
**even in India, Cuba, Brazil,
Puerto Rico, there's colorism to this day. India has the caste system. On Spanish language television all the actors are very light. Racism is worldwide, colorism is not just among Black Americans
Have you seen all those Mexican TV actors? Lol, Mexico it's the most racist and colorist country I know of.
You are 100% correct. There is a lot of colorism in the Latin American community.
rashida needs to watch this 1988 show
Rock Newman took a DNA test years after this and found out that he is mostly white. A tiny percentage of black.
I mean it's not hard to see unless you needed another pair of glasses👓 with🔎😅. If he had not mentioned he was mixed I don't think anyone would even question hence the reason the barber told him off as a kid b/c I'm sure he wouldn't have had a clue he had a drop of black in him 🤔 if he hadn't mentioned it.
@@Bo55edup not always there's many mixed people who look more or mostly white. Mariah Carey, Logic, Halsey, british actor stephen graham. I have cousins who are 25% black who look just as white as he does but they still have a fully black grandparent. He doesn't so idk how he even got away with that for so many years. His percentage is so low that nobody he ever met in his family ever met any of their black ancestors. There wouldn't have even been a true oral history, just a rumour cos it was under 5%🤷🏽♀️
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@@NoName-zi9stHaving 25% black dna doesn’t mean you are black. lol They still have 75% white ancestry so that means they are white. 😅
That’s called mixed ur grandparents are not ur parents and both have to be black to be considered black
Multicultural is a great idea. I See nothing wrong with acknowledging all of you!
Doesn't work.
That light skinned lady at the end was right!! 👏👏👏 it starts in the home
Irrespective of colorism, those hideous sweaters in the audience, ranging from all colors, was a crime against humanity.
Glad this came on my feed
..is the stress caused by worrying that you are attractive or not, overweight or thin, a man or a woman, or rich or poor, any different than if one is light skinned or dark ? I suggest getting confidence in "your skin" by understanding the challenges that may affect one because of those race, sex, physical issues, and "becoming" confident dealing with them. Therapy may be required to provide what life experience hasn't for those who dont have the reasoning skills on their own. Never expect a suggested "perfect" world to side with you and mold to your expectations when it comes to topics of personal evaluation.
This is so relevant today and seems to be getting worse in the black community
If the lady in the blue shirt said this in Brazil, the Brazilians wouldn’t take issue because half the Brazilian population is multiracial. Why can’t the USA adopt a multiracial category and stop lumping them into a African American group?
Many AA's come from mixed race people. Doesn't matter if it's a parent or someone from 2-3 generations ago. Being AA does not mean one is fully African.
BP is NOT African Americans we are not from Africa and never came from there, that big lie needs to STOP!!!!!
Phil Donahue running around the studio all excited and so INTO this topic. He's thinking "I never knew this. So it's not just us! Damn this is one hot and fresh topic". I always liked Phil Donahue. He's so cool 😁
As a dark skin black girl I truly understand where she’s coming from….. she multi like she said it makes so much sense. She’s beautiful just like every other girl in that room was! I see a lot of beautiful queens in that room I love it. I don’t like how they laughed at her but back then things were very different
PHIL Donohue is a legend.
His voice is amazing
I agree with the logic that if someone is mixed, they should feel free to say they are mixed and not feel pressure to choose a side. If a person is mixed with Japanese and white, should they say they are exclusively Japanese? If a mixed race (black & white) person grows up in Costa Rica to adopted parents of Costa Rican heritage, they speak Spanish and know nothing about American culture, should they say they are black?
Fake news is hard to propagate when you have an open discussion with a group of people with a diverse set of lived experience. We miss you Phil.
There are light skin Africans who are a pure breed African. There are a lot where I come from.
Lynette, my fam is traditional african and we do have lite skinned . and as it is i know every single person's genetics since they live in rural areas