Cancel my Altitude order and got my deposit back. After crunching the numbers we found out we couldn’t tow 2.8 Ton let alone 3.5 as there’s not enough payload. Toyota confirmed that a GVM Upgrade may effect warranty. Ordered the Ford Everest Tremor. More payload, more power, all 4x4 extras covered by warranty, 20 grand cheaper. Made sense 🤷🏼♂️
Exactly. Very few 3.5T towing vehicles can actually realistically tow 3.5T except when empty, with just a driver and ½ a tank of fuel (less in some cases) along with no add-ons on the roof etc. 3.5T Tow ratings are really just to say you “COULD tow that boat across town if you need” to but that’s basically it. And you’d need to do it stock before you add any other weight to your vehicle.
Well for the money people are paying for Toyota to have that setup after all the time they had before finally launching in Australia is pretty ridiculous lol don’t blame them.
I will give it one thing, the way it slows down and stops when a grey nomad has an heart attack after seeing the fifteenth “DPF fault, see your dealer “ on the screen is amazing.
Toyota was fantastic for a 20 year period between 1985 and 2005 with fantastic build quality, over engineered products and aesthetics. They'll be rapidly overtaken in the next 5 years by the Chinese and Korean makers.
@@Saphire0437 the 1KD is probably the best diesel 4 banger they ever made. 1KZ isn't far off. I've got a 2019 Hilux, I grew up driving my parents 1KD Prado (they still have it) and I still have my 1996 1KZ powered Surf - I love working on Toyotas too. The Hilux and all my mates' ones have had dramas. Surf and Prado? Preventative maintenance. New cars are nice but their added complexity intersects with added problems quite quickly.
Toyota had a chance to make a killing with this but has missed the raised expectations many of us had … many things are great but in some things it actually went backwards when compared to Series 150
Toyota went forwards going from 90 to 120, then backwards going from 120 to 150, and now backwards again with 250. Always been a Toyota guy but they've lost the plot. Even reliability they don't have anymore.
Not sure my old dog could jump up into the back of this let alone the 7 seater. He has no issues with the current 150 VX. Best he comes along on any test drive….
Been waiting for the new prado but bit disappointed with the performance. We might get the everest though. Thanks for the great review car expert. Very helpful.
Amazing review as always, very well detailed. Was seriously considering this until I watched the whole thing, but this has nothing been short of disappointing in my opinion.
@@bluecent interior is terrible but can be upgraded to a nice infotainment. Wood grain can be deleted. Prado slug engine can not be brought up to the v8s level.
I am a big Toyota fan, owned many including 4 x 200 series. I drove one of these yesterday and apart from the looks it’s such a compromised vehicle in so many ways and it’s a huge fail by Toyota IMO. Anyone who buys this has more money than sense. Everyone should keep their old Prado.
Paul. Thankyou!!! You are my man when it comes to all reviews now. Such a perfect delivery of info, But i really appreciate your height! My brother is 190cm and bought this exact vehicle.
17:49 I cancelled my VX order purely because of the boot space and third row treatment. The storage box lid doesn’t even open properly. But main issue is as you’ve said is it isn’t readily removable.
Toyota slowly becoming the Apple of the car world. Keep increasing the price while only updating the absolute minimum, knowing damn well your sales numbers will still be top of the market. Truly amazing. 👏🏼
@@dolguldur4706 exactly why Toyota keeps making huge profits, they offer you a basic product at a high price clinging to it's reliability built during the 80's and 90's.
What exactly is Apples flagship phones missing to say, samsungs flagship phones though? and in the same sense, what exactly is this prado missing the other flagships have?
Old prado felt sluggish there's no way another 200kg in this will make it feel light. And being almost 3 seconds late to 100 is even more funny when it happens in reality an old one overtaking you🤣
@@Malc664 my bad I didn't read correctly, but remember these are stock cars and already 200KG heavier at start, it will only get worse, plus the additional emissions controlling extras it comes with. These new diesels are not worth it at all.
Thanks for the review - very informative. For the hill climb it would have been helpful to see how it performs with the rear-diff open (as it has to be on every other version of the new Prado).
Excellent review. The boot space/config, engine power and traction control system is a huge let down. They could of given it the 165kw from the GR Hilux at least. Look like the value of the outgoing 150's just held a bit longer (just like the 200's with a solid V8).
It has indeed. I bought a brand new 150 series two years ago. The very last one. It is now actually worth more second hand than what I paid for it two years ago.
Regarding the offroad traction mode : Center diff is a Torsen . This kind of diff multiplies the torque by a factor and send it to a wheel with more traction. , but it needs to have a bit traction to multiply it. 0 (zero) multiplied with anything is still 0 (zero). The conclusion if if you have no traction at all it cannot multiply the traction and send it to the other wheels.
Its always blow my mind how people spend so much on one of the most bland and boring cars on the market lol. Sooo many better bang for buck options out there.
Anyone buying this vehicle proves fools are easily parted with their money. Overpriced, old engine with after thought where to put the battery. Not to mention the max weight over that battery cover is 60kg. Sort limits what you can put in the boot. Plastic side steps, come on. You didn’t mention the ground clearance is a problem. Videos I’ve seen, people who have bought this are having to lift to get decent 4WD clearance. Then that engine noise. Oh and you have Ad Blue. The list goes on. Toyota know people will buy these cars on reputation alone and not give any consideration to other competitors in or coming to market. These are definitely not value for money.
No mate. The 10cm wide lip at the very back is rated to 60kg. The floor is a normal floor. Nothing to do with the battery. This was just rubbish published before anyone even had the car.
I had two previous generation Ravs; comfortable, spacious, easy to drive, I enjoyed them. Bought the current generation Rav without a test drive; expensive, cramped interior, uncomfortable driving position, peaky engine, mismatched gearbox, I couldn't wait to sell it. I had the previous generation Prado; spacious, comfortable, felt absolutely solid with a touch of luxury. Except for want of a bit more power, I really liked it. This new generation Prado seems to have gone the way of the Rav. I've heard similar sentiments about the LC200 vs the LC300. (If anyone knows of tests comparing the old and new models, I'd appreciate the links.) But in general, I think Toyota is losing the plot a little...
@@ubernoob103 they aren't adr complied yet and there are only a handful of preproduction models registered in aus. I would expect at the earliest december. I did notice car eggspurt was seemingly absent from byds press event. Possibly not invited but they did say they will review once they can get one outside of a controlled press event.
It's interesting that they are only giving reviewers the top-spec models. The models most people can afford don't have a diff locker. I'm not sure why Toyota would gate-keep a necessary 4x4 feature and require you to pay nearly $100k for a diff locker. Also, that boot looks like an afterthought. I hope they fix it in a future facelift.
I am a toyota fanboy. I test drove this and i think it is a complete dog. Too many floors to list. Even the dealer couldn't believe how shongati it is.
Smoking at the start even, could you imagine the aussie battlers with their flaming pitchforks if that was the tank smoking on such a simple task? But if it's Toyota.. well, they're our darling.
@@N1rOx Last month in China, GWM sold 30+ thousand vehicles, Toyota who was number 1 three years ago sold 4700 vehicles. Gone from number 1 to number 27th
Thanks Paul, I have been waiting a long time to see your reaction to your own test of this vehicle. I recently test drove the Altitude in my local area. It was interesting stepping out of my 2013 FJ Cruiser. I was surprised by the doee sound of the 4 cylinder engine. Suspension felt soft, steering very light. Turned off the AC and cruised with the front windows down and elboe on the door edge. I got used to the vehicle quickly. It is ok. Back into the FJ, steering heavier, smooth quiet acceleration from the V6 and a positive feel on the road. Happy to drive the FJ a bit longer. Looking forward to your Everest Tremor test.
I think I'll be keeping my 1988 LN61 4Runner a little bit longer now. At least my rear seats fold completely flat with the cargo floor, it has an electrically operated tailgate window, and it's probably only marginally slower than this Prado to 100kph lol. Of course, I put my life on the line every time it leaves the garage - It's real driving by the seat of your pants stuff, and it's a rush! And unlike the new Prado, it's going up in value every day now and there's absolutely no electronic gadgets to go wrong. Better living everyone!
The recent price hikes on Toyotas worldwide is exactly the reason my parents (living abroad) recently traded their previous gen Lexus GX for a fully spec'd VW Atlas which was significantly cheaper than a new GX.
Would love to see you guys do a Prado GX review Paul! GX model seems to be the only offering priced with some semblance of sanity, and being the other 5-door option it might be the most realistic pick for would-be buyers…
I agree. I'm surprised Toyota offered such a sensibly optioned model at a relatively good price. No diff lock and no leather trimmed steering wheel but it's a standout for value.
Been keeping an eye out for info on these for months. Just curiosity of course, I can’t even afford a 3rd hand MG so a Toyota will always be just a dream. But as I consume all the info and comments on these, being broke is starting to feel less bad.
I personally appreciate you putting in the extra effort to include mosquitoes inside the car to provide an authentic depiction of the misery of the off roading experience.
IMHO from a 150 VX Owner who was looking to upgrade Positives - Looks great from the outside - Front dash and front seating area are excellent - Tech and screens look fantastic - 8 speed auto Negatives - Approx 10k + more expensive across the range - No gas struts for bonnet - 48 V mild hybrid adds complexity, and dubious benefits - Ad Blue addition and still has a DPF - Same carryover engine 2.8 L GD with no more power/torque - Seven seat set up is a backwards step with a much smaller amount of boot room/very high lip, plastic storage ‘box’ and lack of room for a fridge - Toyota says seats can’t be removed due to battery underneath - Weighs 250-300kg more - Cool box is much smaller than 150 on VX+ - Rear seats/2nd row don’t slide back-and-forth for more space - Only 2, 5 seat variants the GX and the altitude to avoid to limited boot space - Fuel tank is 110 L - less than 150 L from the Prado 150 - Smaller boot opening height than the 150 - no rear Diff lock in anything but the altitude - more models in old 150 have both - Payloads approx 100kg less than old 150’s - Stop start - Wheel not on the back, under car - Glove box and storage in the front is small I.e no sunglasses holder, storage above gearshift in cubby - Driver monitoring system annoyance - No space for a dual battery under bonnet -Sliding GVM kg, moves up and down depending on model grade. Previous Prado was fixed GVM for all models, with payload increasing as you went down the range with less kit. - Wait for the hybrid 2.4 L turbo from USA
Disappointed. Looks gorgeous and I was amazed when I saw one in the flesh - but misses the mark on a few key areas, enough to sway people towards other options imo. Sorry Toyota. Thanks carexpert for the review though ❤
Hey paul I am ur subscriber as well a regular viewer,can u plzz review kakadu as well as i have got it already and was eagerly waiting for the review...
Everest nothing to worry about. The tank 300 has a bloody better interior than this crap. This is so underpowered. Tank 300 in less than 9 seconds 0-100.
The storage hump says "this was going to be IRS" and they changed back at the last minute. The live axle is likely on borrowed time. The third row seat should have been removable like in a minivan, however clasp mechanisms cost more money.
i went to have a look at the seven seat VX yesterday.... sat in the front seat and it was fantastic.... feel of the new seats and comfort was great. asked to see the boot and the salesman apologised.... after opening up the rear door i could see why. the gaps between the seats and storage box are cavernous (7 seat)..... you could lose a small animal down there, (it is literally open) you can cover it with a rubber mat.... like my current GDJ150 (later shape). difference is the mat in my VX is for catching crap and saving the wear on the floor... in the new 250 it could be for covering up a turd which is the 22cm deep well that is the rear seats design. for a car that costs over $90k for the variant we were looking at... it was a 7 step walk away from the 7 seat versions for mine. such a shame for a aesthetically pleasing vehicle for the most part.
You lucky Australians are likely getting the byd fangchenbao bao 5 and bao 8 hybrid suv models badged under the byd denza brand next year. Same drivetrains as the byd shark. The bao 8 has the larger 2.0 engine and will probably underpin the more powerful shark model coming next year.
Ain’t gonna buy this car. Ad blue Bigger size but same engine. Horrible boot load capacity. It is just way too much expensive. You can buy 300 if you put little bit more money. Absolute BS for my opinion
As a user of the old Prado 120 v6, I'm only more interested in the new generation front. I'll keep driving my old car, maybe the next update might be a Chinese car brand.
The US market gets the mighty twin turbo V6 petrol and we get the peasants little 2.8 soot burner. I'll stick with my trusty 07 black 120 V6 with its harrop lockers, upgraded headers & exhaust improving torque, upgraded suspension & wheels, upgraded headlights & tail-lights, upgraded grille, upgraded interior all for a fraction of the cost of these overpriced new models
Thanks for the awesome review. Was totally shocked at how much space was taken up in the boot in all 5 models tho that 250mm height in the GXL, VX & Kakadu is ridiculous. Not to mention the adblue & loss of 150L fuel tank. These are some of the reasons I'm feeling very relieved that I bought one of the last brand new 2023 Kakadu's in May this year as I didn't like the look of the new FJ Cruiser looking Prado either. I think once people realise all the negatives with this newer model the 150 series Prado's are going to hold their value like nothing else.
Used to be a Prado owner, had two. Then bought Y62 - what a beast of a car, but fuel killed my budget....now have the Everest Sport V6. Love the Everest and will not go back, but will also never say anything bad about a Prado. Y62 my favourate though...Paul, have to say, I like your little subtle comments - I would say you are not a Prado fan....😂
Good overview. Being a current Prado owner, to say this is a dissapointment is an understatement. Van towers will not like the fuel reduction, advantage over the competiton now gone But I think this model is the one to get if you wanted one.
I think tojo has designed this for the US market and we just suffer the consequences. A spare on the rear door would allow a bigger fuel tank and or allow the 48v system to be mounted lower in the vehicle. I guess the aftermarket will continue to solve problems that toyota creates.
What a disappointment. Ill stick with my 2015 Kakadu. Longer range tank, more boot space, easily accessible spare wheel, almost the same performance, less tech to go wrong, no adblue rubbish. No thanks. Yes it lacks the outright performance of an Everest, but even after 9 years and 190k it still drives like near new. No rattles, no squeaks all original bushes, suspension, etc, with just regular servicing. Not sure how well the new Everest will age. Only time will tell.
@amita1400 So far so good. But I go on regular long drives which helps. It's a touring vehicle and I love it for that. Fits the bill perfectly. Also, the dpf hardware and software got revised in 2021 and Toyota have agreed to replace it under their 10 year warranty. I'll be getting it replaced soon as a precaution before my car hits 10 years. By the way, Toyota aren't the only manufacturer with DPF problems. Ford, Mitsubishi, Volkswagen all have had DPF problems for years. The reason Toyota are in the limelight is because of the millions of Toyotas on the road and the expectation of reliability from their owners. Toyota are the only manufacturer that have acknowledged the problem (forcefully) and have compensated their owners, as well as extended the warranty on the DPF to 10 years. No chance any of the other manufacturers would do this. They leave their customers for dead.
2009 120, Also have Longer range, bigger boot, close to same performance, lighter, bigger load carrying capacity, no adblue, no DPF and yeah no squeaks and rattles even 16 years later. I test drove the 250 VX....it was disappointing
Hi Paul, I’m still waiting for my GX550 overtrail in the carbonate with black roof hence delay, would you go this or the Altitude? I found the Altitude underpowered but $30k difference is making me think. I suppose the question is, do I keep waiting for my GX?
Don't talk about that you will confuse people that only know what a toyota badge looks like. And don't even mention the sharks 320kw 650nm outputs because that will induce thoughts of utter disbelief from a 2.8 slug owner.
It’s perm AWD but you’re not in 4WD until you lock the centre diff - no surprise it didn’t perform until that went in. More a surprise that it worked without with sway-bar disconnected but must not be a deep enough hole.
I can see a potential for some custom mods - remove electric motor to save weight and use the battery at the back as out of the box dual battery system to power your fridge etc. 😊
here in the philippines, the direct competitor of the prado is the ford explorer. We have the Toyota Fortuner which is the rightful competitor of the everest.
Despite its shortcomings (ie. so-so engine, and the 3rd-row seat disaster), they will sell a heap of them. Just look at it. Good review of its features.
Looks like Prados will be living out of town. Big cars with electrification will eat them in town with massively better performance. Same will happen in ute market. Wheezing diesels are done.
I was a toyota man until I owned the hilux rogue which I sold and now owning the ford ranger xlt. I am going to be honest both are overpriced shit boxes. People paying the toyota tax for this landcruiser are delusional. I am going to buy a mitsubishi triton once I hit a couple of months with the ranger. im never going to buy ford or toyota again
Good choice on the Triton. I bought a new one after owing a lemon next gen Ranger. Within 17 months of ownership in the Ranger it was in the shop…. 10 times!! Never again. Triton has been perfect so far and amazing value.
@@Cap9054 thats what i am afraid off. It drives well now until it wont, so I am just going to cut my losses and go for the triton like you did. at least that 10 year warranty and being a Japanese manufacturer will put my mind at ease. Was thinking of just going for the GLX got everything the XLT has and the 2wd is 20k cheaper
@@ss-xl1cc Beat decision you’ll make. The warranty is what I liked and how reliable the tritons have always been. I managed to pick up a GLXR 2wd for the same price of a GLX. What more equipment in the GLXR. Shop around, Dealers will be able to match.
Don’t forget the weight of a tank of fuel needs to be added to the 350kg ball weight of the GVM. This is a dry weight that’s quoted so add another 100kg
A company called Loaded Drawers are providing a 3rd row delete option that gives a smooth and strong floor to the cargo area that covers the 48v battery system.
Well I bought a brand new 150 series two years ago, just before they stopped selling anymore and looking at this I am glad I bought the 150 series as buying this 250 wouldn't give anything different that mine has. As I bought the very last of the 150 series, it has the latest everything and any problems that may have existed would have all been ironed out. Also my 150 series is faster than this as it has the same engine, same power but it is lighter. The new one has less ground clearance than my 150. Two big fails in my opinion. I have customised mine inside and outside. Especially inside, so it looks more like a Mercedes interior now. Mostly all soft materials that came with the car. If I hadnt already had a prado, I may have considered this, but I have no intention of changing my 150 for this 250. To think my 150 series doesnt have all this stupid terrain select but it would have simply pulled out of that with no problem ar all. These terrain control features in new cars are nothing but a useless gimick.
As someone that has always liked Toyotas, this has been a disappointment for me from the start… first the styling inside and out too American focussed in my opinion, then the colour palette also inside and out too natural. The compromised boot areas and definitely the engine. I was hoping there would have at least been a twin turbo version of the 2.8 that produced 180-200kW and 600Nm. Also a lot of previous technology gone missing in this generation and you’re having to pay over $10k more. I really hope Toyota can rework this new platform to better accommodate electrification as this clearly did not have it in mine
Cancel my Altitude order and got my deposit back. After crunching the numbers we found out we couldn’t tow 2.8 Ton let alone 3.5 as there’s not enough payload. Toyota confirmed that a GVM Upgrade may effect warranty.
Ordered the Ford Everest Tremor. More payload, more power, all 4x4 extras covered by warranty, 20 grand cheaper. Made sense 🤷🏼♂️
😂 a ford lol
Well done!
Y62 bro
Exactly. Very few 3.5T towing vehicles can actually realistically tow 3.5T except when empty, with just a driver and ½ a tank of fuel (less in some cases) along with no add-ons on the roof etc.
3.5T Tow ratings are really just to say you “COULD tow that boat across town if you need” to but that’s basically it. And you’d need to do it stock before you add any other weight to your vehicle.
Good choice, looks better than this piece of tin can
Paul, I need to give you thumbs up for very balanced review, thanks
My order is placed. Can't wait! Prado all the way!💪
That boot is a big deal for a lot of people 😂
Well for the money people are paying for Toyota to have that setup after all the time they had before finally launching in Australia is pretty ridiculous lol don’t blame them.
I will give it one thing, the way it slows down and stops when a grey nomad has an heart attack after seeing the fifteenth “DPF fault, see your dealer “ on the screen is amazing.
😅😅
Why ? A fairly new model.
@bluecent
Yes, a new model with an old engine pushing more weight than it did before.
That's after it creates a traffic jam struggling in the right lane 20ks under. Oh hand, that's just a toyota driver..
I don't see any 70s having dramas. Same motor.
The arrogance of Toyota
Very heavy
Very plasticy
Very underpowered
Compromised rear boot design
The price is outrageous
Shitbox basically
How will they survie?? 😂😂
Correct 👍 yet people/(toyota fan boys)will still buy them🤦♂️
Because Toyota knows people would just buy it no matter what.
And they will sell out all inventory go figure? They can't keep them on lot as I type here.
Toyota was fantastic for a 20 year period between 1985 and 2005 with fantastic build quality, over engineered products and aesthetics. They'll be rapidly overtaken in the next 5 years by the Chinese and Korean makers.
Agreed
They already have
Absolutely. Those years were absolutely Toyota's 4wd heyday. Now they just seem to be half attempting to keep up with the market.
22r, the old 2.8 and the 1kz/1kd are all worse than the current 1GD. And you can keep your 5L's. I can peddle faster.
@@Saphire0437 the 1KD is probably the best diesel 4 banger they ever made. 1KZ isn't far off. I've got a 2019 Hilux, I grew up driving my parents 1KD Prado (they still have it) and I still have my 1996 1KZ powered Surf - I love working on Toyotas too. The Hilux and all my mates' ones have had dramas. Surf and Prado? Preventative maintenance. New cars are nice but their added complexity intersects with added problems quite quickly.
Toyota had a chance to make a killing with this but has missed the raised expectations many of us had … many things are great but in some things it actually went backwards when compared to Series 150
Ahh, they WILL make a killing.
Where did it go backwards?
@@ljdperth4608
It’s heavier, slower, terrible rear cargo packaging, adblue, mild hybrid.
Toyota went forwards going from 90 to 120, then backwards going from 120 to 150, and now backwards again with 250. Always been a Toyota guy but they've lost the plot. Even reliability they don't have anymore.
They will fix it all feedback in 2 years with a facelift
Not sure my old dog could jump up into the back of this let alone the 7 seater. He has no issues with the current 150 VX. Best he comes along on any test drive….
THANK YOU Carexpert for always including the "Driver Aid" segment in your car reviews! More reviewers need to emulate this🎉🎉
Bought the old one brand new NOV23 make. It was the best Prado, gone through so many improvements
Been waiting for the new prado but bit disappointed with the performance. We might get the everest though. Thanks for the great review car expert. Very helpful.
V6 Everest is a much better machine
Are there no other options, but the Everest?
@@tonxbezzina7015MU-X and Pajero Sport
Amazing review as always, very well detailed. Was seriously considering this until I watched the whole thing, but this has nothing been short of disappointing in my opinion.
"Priced like a Mercedes, but with features like a Suzuki."
Which Mercedes? Because 2024 CLE 6 cylinders is like $80,000. And which features like Suzuki on this? Or you are some few bottles in?
@@boxoffisabro, the joke flew right over ya head 😂, calm yourself
Just needs a widdle wadder!
Especially that interior.
@@boxoffisabro you better get your sense of humor checked out
Very expensive given you can get a v8 patrol for this money which is far superior.
If you like appallingly chintzy styling, wood grain and a 1990’s interior. And it’s a Nissan too. 😂
Yeah, but that’s a Nissan.
A good one for grandpa.
@@bluecent interior is terrible but can be upgraded to a nice infotainment. Wood grain can be deleted. Prado slug engine can not be brought up to the v8s level.
@@oggyoggy1299 the prado and 300 only see the patrols tail lights. As Paul’s towing test and off-road test showed the patrol is king.
You must like spending time and dollars at the servo if you own a Patrol.
Most waited video of end of the year! Thanks ❤
I am a big Toyota fan, owned many including 4 x 200 series. I drove one of these yesterday and apart from the looks it’s such a compromised vehicle in so many ways and it’s a huge fail by Toyota IMO. Anyone who buys this has more money than sense. Everyone should keep their old Prado.
Paul. Thankyou!!! You are my man when it comes to all reviews now. Such a perfect delivery of info, But i really appreciate your height!
My brother is 190cm and bought this exact vehicle.
Loving the review,from South Africa
17:49 I cancelled my VX order purely because of the boot space and third row treatment. The storage box lid doesn’t even open properly. But main issue is as you’ve said is it isn’t readily removable.
Toyota slowly becoming the Apple of the car world. Keep increasing the price while only updating the absolute minimum, knowing damn well your sales numbers will still be top of the market. Truly amazing. 👏🏼
That is because people keep paying the higher prices.
That’s how you make the biggest profit.
Apple isn’t in the Top 5 companies for no reason.
I rather pay extra price then buying cheap crap product..
@@dolguldur4706 exactly why Toyota keeps making huge profits, they offer you a basic product at a high price clinging to it's reliability built during the 80's and 90's.
What exactly is Apples flagship phones missing to say, samsungs flagship phones though? and in the same sense, what exactly is this prado missing the other flagships have?
These would have sold like hot cakes if all new Prado’s had the V6, possibly unbeatable in the market.
a v6 petrol as modern diesels are choked to death
the US iForce Max 2.4l turbo 4 does 0-60 mph in ~6 secs. would sell way more than the 2.8l diesels with AdBlue... wake up toyota australia
@@thelonewolf666 offer the 1GR-FE V6 4.0L, great engine
Old prado felt sluggish there's no way another 200kg in this will make it feel light. And being almost 3 seconds late to 100 is even more funny when it happens in reality an old one overtaking you🤣
Not 3 seconds but only 9/100th of a second, so almost one second.
@@Malc664 my bad I didn't read correctly, but remember these are stock cars and already 200KG heavier at start, it will only get worse, plus the additional emissions controlling extras it comes with. These new diesels are not worth it at all.
finally been waiting for this for forever
That is a lot of money for an over rated shit box.
Don’t buy it, they won’t care. 😂
Thanks for the review - very informative.
For the hill climb it would have been helpful to see how it performs with the rear-diff open (as it has to be on every other version of the new Prado).
Excellent review. The boot space/config, engine power and traction control system is a huge let down. They could of given it the 165kw from the GR Hilux at least. Look like the value of the outgoing 150's just held a bit longer (just like the 200's with a solid V8).
It has indeed. I bought a brand new 150 series two years ago. The very last one. It is now actually worth more second hand than what I paid for it two years ago.
The 150 3rd row was stupid too- that raised section. The 120 had genuine removable 3rd row…. That was a great solution, not sure why they changed.
In my opinion it looks better than the 300 series
Way better in my opinion TBH
Almost everything does, except for a Patrol.
Agree, the 300 looks like it been driven through a garage door that was too narrow for it...Fuggly.
And that is the dilemma this looks way way better than the 300 but the 300 powertrain is way more appealing than this 2.8
@nmvi226 you hit the nail on the head. The 300 looks like it was launched in 2014 and updated in 2017.
Regarding the offroad traction mode : Center diff is a Torsen . This kind of diff multiplies the torque by a factor and send it to a wheel with more traction. , but it needs to have a bit traction to multiply it. 0 (zero) multiplied with anything is still 0 (zero). The conclusion if if you have no traction at all it cannot multiply the traction and send it to the other wheels.
Its always blow my mind how people spend so much on one of the most bland and boring cars on the market lol. Sooo many better bang for buck options out there.
That’s Toyota owners for you.
They're called toyota fan boys, even if it had 2wheels going for 120k they'd still buy it 😀
@ toyota motorcycle 🤣🤣
What are those options ?
Nissan Patrol@@user-kx3sx6zu2h
this made tank 300 even more attractive to buy. A prado can get you 2 tank 300 don't forget that
And there is a reason why they are cheap
You’ll need more than two
Haha! Tank 300 😂
@@tyzon00800 why?
@@tyzon00800 this is their strategy to conquer the world, and they don't like us talking about it.... who can beat their value for price?
Thanks Paul a well balanced review, I love my new Altitude 😊
Anyone buying this vehicle proves fools are easily parted with their money. Overpriced, old engine with after thought where to put the battery. Not to mention the max weight over that battery cover is 60kg. Sort limits what you can put in the boot. Plastic side steps, come on. You didn’t mention the ground clearance is a problem. Videos I’ve seen, people who have bought this are having to lift to get decent 4WD clearance. Then that engine noise. Oh and you have Ad Blue. The list goes on.
Toyota know people will buy these cars on reputation alone and not give any consideration to other competitors in or coming to market. These are definitely not value for money.
No mate. The 10cm wide lip at the very back is rated to 60kg. The floor is a normal floor. Nothing to do with the battery. This was just rubbish published before anyone even had the car.
Ground clearance compared to what? 220mm is stacks for a stock 4x4.
Everything has plastic sidesteps and everything will have adblue 🙄
Geez my 20 year old Discovery 2 would walk that offset in high range with its ancient TC.
I like the look of these
I had two previous generation Ravs; comfortable, spacious, easy to drive, I enjoyed them.
Bought the current generation Rav without a test drive; expensive, cramped interior, uncomfortable driving position, peaky engine, mismatched gearbox, I couldn't wait to sell it.
I had the previous generation Prado; spacious, comfortable, felt absolutely solid with a touch of luxury. Except for want of a bit more power, I really liked it.
This new generation Prado seems to have gone the way of the Rav.
I've heard similar sentiments about the LC200 vs the LC300.
(If anyone knows of tests comparing the old and new models, I'd appreciate the links.)
But in general, I think Toyota is losing the plot a little...
PS also with the battery in the back luggage area you won’t be able to mount a fridge with a bolt in slide in there, even if there was room
How did this review come before the Shark? Insane.
The shark isn’t in production, the prado is
@ are you kidding? Orders for the Shark opened about a month ago. Theyre well and truly being produced.
@@ubernoob103 they aren't adr complied yet and there are only a handful of preproduction models registered in aus. I would expect at the earliest december. I did notice car eggspurt was seemingly absent from byds press event. Possibly not invited but they did say they will review once they can get one outside of a controlled press event.
It's interesting that they are only giving reviewers the top-spec models. The models most people can afford don't have a diff locker. I'm not sure why Toyota would gate-keep a necessary 4x4 feature and require you to pay nearly $100k for a diff locker. Also, that boot looks like an afterthought. I hope they fix it in a future facelift.
Actually that is incorrect. All models have different locks eveb the cheapest model. My 150 series came with different locks as standard.
@@Car-crazy rear diff lock is what he's talking about. centre diff lock doesn't count as. totally different.
Toyota fan boys will be lining up even if it had 3 wheels as you said the same old 2.8 diesel rattler
Or even if it had flintstone pedal power, they would still pay $90k for it 😂😂🤣🤣
Umm ... that's because we get cash back when we sell. You stick to your Jeep.
my 35 year old 2.8 half a million Klms, still going strong.
@@paulredfern2252 You better keep it then because this 2.8 has issues like any other motor look at some You Tube channels 30k needing new motors
I am a toyota fanboy. I test drove this and i think it is a complete dog. Too many floors to list. Even the dealer couldn't believe how shongati it is.
I love it and will get that exact model, great review
every great wall tank 500 has to have its cheap copy
Smoking at the start even, could you imagine the aussie battlers with their flaming pitchforks if that was the tank smoking on such a simple task? But if it's Toyota.. well, they're our darling.
@@N1rOx Last month in China, GWM sold 30+ thousand vehicles, Toyota who was number 1 three years ago sold 4700 vehicles. Gone from number 1 to number 27th
This looks way better than the top heavy looking 300 Landcruiser. If only it had a V6 diesel
If only they bring out the iforce max!
Thanks Paul, I have been waiting a long time to see your reaction to your own test of this vehicle. I recently test drove the Altitude in my local area. It was interesting stepping out of my 2013 FJ Cruiser. I was surprised by the doee sound of the 4 cylinder engine. Suspension felt soft, steering very light. Turned off the AC and cruised with the front windows down and elboe on the door edge. I got used to the vehicle quickly. It is ok. Back into the FJ, steering heavier, smooth quiet acceleration from the V6 and a positive feel on the road. Happy to drive the FJ a bit longer. Looking forward to your Everest Tremor test.
The battery is a complete waste of time. Only reason it is there is to try and appease the federal governments future emission laws.
If it helps the car continue to be sold legally in Australia, its not a waste of time
I think I'll be keeping my 1988 LN61 4Runner a little bit longer now. At least my rear seats fold completely flat with the cargo floor, it has an electrically operated tailgate window, and it's probably only marginally slower than this Prado to 100kph lol. Of course, I put my life on the line every time it leaves the garage - It's real driving by the seat of your pants stuff, and it's a rush! And unlike the new Prado, it's going up in value every day now and there's absolutely no electronic gadgets to go wrong. Better living everyone!
If you still have a car from 1988, you were never buying anything anyway. There's been heaps of great cars in that time.
The recent price hikes on Toyotas worldwide is exactly the reason my parents (living abroad) recently traded their previous gen Lexus GX for a fully spec'd VW Atlas which was significantly cheaper than a new GX.
Would love to see you guys do a Prado GX review Paul! GX model seems to be the only offering priced with some semblance of sanity, and being the other 5-door option it might be the most realistic pick for would-be buyers…
I agree. I'm surprised Toyota offered such a sensibly optioned model at a relatively good price. No diff lock and no leather trimmed steering wheel but it's a standout for value.
Been keeping an eye out for info on these for months. Just curiosity of course, I can’t even afford a 3rd hand MG so a Toyota will always be just a dream. But as I consume all the info and comments on these, being broke is starting to feel less bad.
I love the new Prado and already placed my order for the exact same model!💪👊
yeah people like you also vote labour and think wind turbines cut emission's
Why didn't they use the same tune as the Hilux GR Sport with 165kW and 550Nm?
That’s the next upgrade, can’t do it all upfront there would be no-where to go in year 3-4
It’s Apple, sorry Toyota
Thanks Paul, looking forward to your Altitude vs Tremor vid when it arrives next month 👍
I personally appreciate you putting in the extra effort to include mosquitoes inside the car to provide an authentic depiction of the misery of the off roading experience.
IMHO from a 150 VX Owner who was looking to upgrade
Positives
- Looks great from the outside
- Front dash and front seating area are excellent
- Tech and screens look fantastic
- 8 speed auto
Negatives
- Approx 10k + more expensive across the range
- No gas struts for bonnet
- 48 V mild hybrid adds complexity, and dubious benefits
- Ad Blue addition and still has a DPF
- Same carryover engine 2.8 L GD with no more power/torque
- Seven seat set up is a backwards step with a much smaller amount of boot room/very high lip, plastic storage ‘box’ and lack of room for a fridge - Toyota says seats can’t be removed due to battery underneath
- Weighs 250-300kg more
- Cool box is much smaller than 150 on VX+
- Rear seats/2nd row don’t slide back-and-forth for more space
- Only 2, 5 seat variants the GX and the altitude to avoid to limited boot space
- Fuel tank is 110 L - less than 150 L from the Prado 150
- Smaller boot opening height than the 150
- no rear Diff lock in anything but the altitude - more models in old 150 have both
- Payloads approx 100kg less than old 150’s
- Stop start
- Wheel not on the back, under car
- Glove box and storage in the front is small I.e no sunglasses holder, storage above gearshift in cubby
- Driver monitoring system annoyance
- No space for a dual battery under bonnet
-Sliding GVM kg, moves up and down depending on model grade. Previous Prado was fixed GVM for all models, with payload increasing as you went down the range with less kit.
- Wait for the hybrid 2.4 L turbo from USA
So many cons aren’t there.
@@ducksnuts1385 150 is a relic compared to 250 in my view. I am glad I upgraded.
@@jamesm6341welcome the the Toyota beta tester group and you paid an extra 14k for the privilege. 🎉
@ 😀 it ll be more expensive when the Ute tax kicks in mid next year.
6 months service interval in a 2024 car is a no-no
Toyota perfected the Land Cruiser I see nothing wrong with there build it’s absolutely gorgeous and worth the money
Disappointed. Looks gorgeous and I was amazed when I saw one in the flesh - but misses the mark on a few key areas, enough to sway people towards other options imo.
Sorry Toyota.
Thanks carexpert for the review though ❤
Hey paul
I am ur subscriber as well a regular viewer,can u plzz review kakadu as well as i have got it already and was eagerly waiting for the review...
AdBlue, useless hybrid, and the worst rear storage setup possible. A massive miss by Toyota.
Adblue AND DPF.... 😪
AdBlu is not the end of the world lol. But yes, everything else is not promising.
The boot is a massive failure for sure.
Everest nothing to worry about. The tank 300 has a bloody better interior than this crap. This is so underpowered. Tank 300 in less than 9 seconds 0-100.
But the tank is a CCP POS
This looks mean As but still will have the Ford Everest though!
Do an engine startup and exhaust revs for all the next reviews! @CarExpert
The storage hump says "this was going to be IRS" and they changed back at the last minute. The live axle is likely on borrowed time. The third row seat should have been removable like in a minivan, however clasp mechanisms cost more money.
The problem is all models share the raised floor because of hybrid battery.... gotta be a better place.
i went to have a look at the seven seat VX yesterday.... sat in the front seat and it was fantastic.... feel of the new seats and comfort was great. asked to see the boot and the salesman apologised.... after opening up the rear door i could see why. the gaps between the seats and storage box are cavernous (7 seat)..... you could lose a small animal down there, (it is literally open) you can cover it with a rubber mat.... like my current GDJ150 (later shape). difference is the mat in my VX is for catching crap and saving the wear on the floor... in the new 250 it could be for covering up a turd which is the 22cm deep well that is the rear seats design. for a car that costs over $90k for the variant we were looking at... it was a 7 step walk away from the 7 seat versions for mine. such a shame for a aesthetically pleasing vehicle for the most part.
You lucky Australians are likely getting the byd fangchenbao bao 5 and bao 8 hybrid suv models badged under the byd denza brand next year. Same drivetrains as the byd shark. The bao 8 has the larger 2.0 engine and will probably underpin the more powerful shark model coming next year.
Great to see a towing test if you can.
Ain’t gonna buy this car.
Ad blue
Bigger size but same engine.
Horrible boot load capacity.
It is just way too much expensive. You can buy 300 if you put little bit more money.
Absolute BS for my opinion
Exactly the same reasons I will avoid it too. Makes the 300 series justifiable 👍
All passenger vehicles (diesel) have ad blu...
Current LC fortuner other disel model doesn’t have
@@jang9268 They definitely will on new iterations. Ad blue isn't a big deal if you're in the market for a new diesel.
@@king-pn4bjyou will pay lots of money if you face something goes wrong with Ad blue system. You will see later what It means
As a user of the old Prado 120 v6, I'm only more interested in the new generation front. I'll keep driving my old car, maybe the next update might be a Chinese car brand.
The US market gets the mighty twin turbo V6 petrol and we get the peasants little 2.8 soot burner. I'll stick with my trusty 07 black 120 V6 with its harrop lockers, upgraded headers & exhaust improving torque, upgraded suspension & wheels, upgraded headlights & tail-lights, upgraded grille, upgraded interior all for a fraction of the cost of these overpriced new models
I know one fam that just walked away shaking their heads.
You need to be in Neutral to engage diff locks.
Thanks for the awesome review. Was totally shocked at how much space was taken up in the boot in all 5 models tho that 250mm height in the GXL, VX & Kakadu is ridiculous. Not to mention the adblue & loss of 150L fuel tank. These are some of the reasons I'm feeling very relieved that I bought one of the last brand new 2023 Kakadu's in May this year as I didn't like the look of the new FJ Cruiser looking Prado either. I think once people realise all the negatives with this newer model the 150 series Prado's are going to hold their value like nothing else.
Used to be a Prado owner, had two. Then bought Y62 - what a beast of a car, but fuel killed my budget....now have the Everest Sport V6. Love the Everest and will not go back, but will also never say anything bad about a Prado. Y62 my favourate though...Paul, have to say, I like your little subtle comments - I would say you are not a Prado fan....😂
Good overview.
Being a current Prado owner, to say this is a dissapointment is an understatement. Van towers will not like the fuel reduction, advantage over the competiton now gone
But I think this model is the one to get if you wanted one.
I think tojo has designed this for the US market and we just suffer the consequences. A spare on the rear door would allow a bigger fuel tank and or allow the 48v system to be mounted lower in the vehicle. I guess the aftermarket will continue to solve problems that toyota creates.
It weird Every time you test the door slam on car reviews ads come up
Ha ha, it's genuinely bizarre. Not sure why that happens.
dont think everest has anything to worry about tbh lol
It's the GX that had to make Everest worry, but that's out of the window with Lexus prices.
They will be worried about resale 😜
People who can’t afford to go to court, will stick to Everest. Funny to see the big smoke when the video starts.
Already 17,000 prado’s in Australia getting deliveres and even with that huge price. I think prado has it’s own set of buyers.
What are you talking about?
Will Australia get the round headlight Prado?
Rear diff lock should be on all models. They should make GR Sport with front diff lock also
What a disappointment. Ill stick with my 2015 Kakadu. Longer range tank, more boot space, easily accessible spare wheel, almost the same performance, less tech to go wrong, no adblue rubbish. No thanks. Yes it lacks the outright performance of an Everest, but even after 9 years and 190k it still drives like near new. No rattles, no squeaks all original bushes, suspension, etc, with just regular servicing. Not sure how well the new Everest will age. Only time will tell.
How is your dpf?
@amita1400 So far so good. But I go on regular long drives which helps. It's a touring vehicle and I love it for that. Fits the bill perfectly. Also, the dpf hardware and software got revised in 2021 and Toyota have agreed to replace it under their 10 year warranty. I'll be getting it replaced soon as a precaution before my car hits 10 years.
By the way, Toyota aren't the only manufacturer with DPF problems. Ford, Mitsubishi, Volkswagen all have had DPF problems for years. The reason Toyota are in the limelight is because of the millions of Toyotas on the road and the expectation of reliability from their owners. Toyota are the only manufacturer that have acknowledged the problem (forcefully) and have compensated their owners, as well as extended the warranty on the DPF to 10 years. No chance any of the other manufacturers would do this. They leave their customers for dead.
2009 120, Also have Longer range, bigger boot, close to same performance, lighter, bigger load carrying capacity, no adblue, no DPF and yeah no squeaks and rattles even 16 years later.
I test drove the 250 VX....it was disappointing
To answer your question on how the Everest will be in 190k km. If it's still on the road your bank balance will be drained from major repairs.
Hi Paul, I’m still waiting for my GX550 overtrail in the carbonate with black roof hence delay, would you go this or the Altitude? I found the Altitude underpowered but $30k difference is making me think. I suppose the question is, do I keep waiting for my GX?
Will keep my 150 series 🎉 thankyou Toyota
in the old day durability is priority, that is why Toyota is popular , time is change now
I cancelled our GXL. We weren't happy with the boot space, 3rd and the second row no longer sliding back to gain that extra knee room
Good on Toyota Australia, get what you can for it. Yes, prices are up significantly but the 6mth wait suggests plenty of buyers still see value.
Paul isn’t chuffed at all
BYD Shark is the new benchmark
Don't talk about that you will confuse people that only know what a toyota badge looks like. And don't even mention the sharks 320kw 650nm outputs because that will induce thoughts of utter disbelief from a 2.8 slug owner.
It’s perm AWD but you’re not in 4WD until you lock the centre diff - no surprise it didn’t perform until that went in. More a surprise that it worked without with sway-bar disconnected but must not be a deep enough hole.
I can see a potential for some custom mods - remove electric motor to save weight and use the battery at the back as out of the box dual battery system to power your fridge etc. 😊
Really love to see you run a 2021 jeep trailhawk over some of the off-road obstacles. Would surprise many drivers of Japanese cars
here in the philippines, the direct competitor of the prado is the ford explorer. We have the Toyota Fortuner which is the rightful competitor of the everest.
Despite its shortcomings (ie. so-so engine, and the 3rd-row seat disaster), they will sell a heap of them. Just look at it. Good review of its features.
Looks like Prados will be living out of town. Big cars with electrification will eat them in town with massively better performance. Same will happen in ute market. Wheezing diesels are done.
I was a toyota man until I owned the hilux rogue which I sold and now owning the ford ranger xlt. I am going to be honest both are overpriced shit boxes. People paying the toyota tax for this landcruiser are delusional. I am going to buy a mitsubishi triton once I hit a couple of months with the ranger. im never going to buy ford or toyota again
BYD Shark
Good choice on the Triton. I bought a new one after owing a lemon next gen Ranger. Within 17 months of ownership in the Ranger it was in the shop…. 10 times!! Never again. Triton has been perfect so far and amazing value.
@@Cap9054 thats what i am afraid off. It drives well now until it wont, so I am just going to cut my losses and go for the triton like you did. at least that 10 year warranty and being a Japanese manufacturer will put my mind at ease. Was thinking of just going for the GLX got everything the XLT has and the 2wd is 20k cheaper
@@ss-xl1cc Beat decision you’ll make. The warranty is what I liked and how reliable the tritons have always been.
I managed to pick up a GLXR 2wd for the same price of a GLX. What more equipment in the GLXR. Shop around, Dealers will be able to match.
Looked at one of these and a 300 but dropped the cash on an Everest Tremor with everything.
Don’t forget the weight of a tank of fuel needs to be added to the 350kg ball weight of the GVM. This is a dry weight that’s quoted so add another 100kg
No it doesn’t, the GVM includes full tank
@ you’re right I was thinking of tare. Cheers
A company called Loaded Drawers are providing a 3rd row delete option that gives a smooth and strong floor to the cargo area that covers the 48v battery system.
And Toyota says this will void your warranty 😮
Last few reviews you've dropped off the ol' water bottle test?! Very handy to know what can fit in some of those door pockets.
The slogan at the back of car window: "Toyota The Smart Choice" Lol
Well I bought a brand new 150 series two years ago, just before they stopped selling anymore and looking at this I am glad I bought the 150 series as buying this 250 wouldn't give anything different that mine has. As I bought the very last of the 150 series, it has the latest everything and any problems that may have existed would have all been ironed out. Also my 150 series is faster than this as it has the same engine, same power but it is lighter.
The new one has less ground clearance than my 150. Two big fails in my opinion.
I have customised mine inside and outside. Especially inside, so it looks more like a Mercedes interior now. Mostly all soft materials that came with the car. If I hadnt already had a prado, I may have considered this, but I have no intention of changing my 150 for this 250.
To think my 150 series doesnt have all this stupid terrain select but it would have simply pulled out of that with no problem ar all.
These terrain control features in new cars are nothing but a useless gimick.
As someone that has always liked Toyotas, this has been a disappointment for me from the start… first the styling inside and out too American focussed in my opinion, then the colour palette also inside and out too natural. The compromised boot areas and definitely the engine. I was hoping there would have at least been a twin turbo version of the 2.8 that produced 180-200kW and 600Nm. Also a lot of previous technology gone missing in this generation and you’re having to pay over $10k more. I really hope Toyota can rework this new platform to better accommodate electrification as this clearly did not have it in mine