Sabit Abdullah but jack leads the whole tribe of savages and he is able to get all of them to be brutal killers. Jack also leads the charge to kill Ralph at the end
Sabit Abdullah jack is the one that hates Ralph from the start. He is the one that leads the hunters to break off from the group. He is the self proclaimed leader of the other tribe. He leads the killing of Simon and the hunting of jack. Roger is his right hand man.
I loved the 1963 movie, but I hated the triumphal naval music at the end when it was supposed to be a serious moment. Every time I watch the movie I always mute it when Ralph is crying at the end because I always thought the movie would be perfect if the end was dead quiet.
It is the song representing civilisation in the boys, it was sung by the choir in the beginning and the lyrics literally translate to "god save us" I think it fits perfectly
Ralph doesn't actually represent the evil within all humans, he represents the democracy on the island. Jack actually represents the evil inside of all humans, and how every person is savage. Ralph = Democracy and Civilisation Jack = Savagery in humans Piggy = Intelligence and also Civilistation Simon = An allegory of Jesus, becasue
@@magelyperez3782 Because he was murdered whilst trying to deliver an important message and share knowledge that would benefit his murderers - some of whom were his friends/allies
Callum Gauthier lmao true, the fruit and his death. Although these notes are based on the films and not the books, search Lord of the flies and the spark notes which come up are much more accurate
@@cmgvillager why, Simons character is literally meant to represent a “Christ” figure. His death shows that the boys on the island had turned to savagery with no return. His death is like the crucifixion of Christ
I loved sitting and unraveling this book and this video was pretty good, that being said I didn't agree with all the notes and I have some of my own (to help anyone studying it) The chapter names represent the rapid unwinding of civilization and the human pysche. The beast starts as a fear of the unknown, then it transitions to a fear of the boys subconciously turning savage (beast from water) only to then move on to something that they are all quietly aware of in the background (beast from air) and finally it consumes them from the inside as it was always just the potential evil inside the boys, and Jack uses this as a monacher for his savagery. The parallells between Simon/Jesus and the Beast/Beelzebub. Although shallow and surface deep there are solid parallells between the four. Simon is a prophit who brings truth to the masses and as a result is ritualistically executed. He converses with "The Lord of the Flies" which is a representation of the Beast and translates to Beelzebub, a demon representing Satan/True evil. Their conversation mirrors the conversation between Jesus and the devil. Piggy and and Ralph. Ralph represents order and leadership in civilization whilt Piggy represents science/logic. Ralph is charismatic and brave whilst Piggy is clearly more intelligent, but Ralph is the only one adheered to, showing signs of a society that values courage and showmanship over reliable intelligence. Ralph and the pig hunt. At first Ralph can't understand the obsession with hunting but once he hunts himself he gets caught up in all tge excitement and forgets about his morals showing that even the best of us can give way to savagery. The signal fire. The fire represents the connection to civilization and the boys desire to be rescued. At the start it burns big and bright, showing that the boys have a desire for order and to be rescued, but quickly the fire becomes neglected as their pseudo society gives way to savagery, and as the fire diminishes so does their desire for order and rescue. Jack represents basic human nature and the "beast" (savagery/evil) within us all. At the start the scales lean heavily to civilization, almost as if the boys have invisible shackles on them. But as the story progresses and they lose sight of their goal for rescue, the shackles loosen and the beast begins to grow. It starts with the Littluns who represent the masses, and then it creeps in on our leaders (the bigguns) on which it has different effects. For Jack it's a weapon, for Roger an excuse, for Piggy a surreal notion, for Simon a battle he must fight (but knows he'll lose) and for Ralph is a test of his moral character. Roger represents what happens when the beast has consumed us, his total and utter willingness to hide behind his paint for the sake of savagery shows his complete break away from the civilized world. The fire represents the dangerously thin line between savagery and civiliation, it is their chance for rescue but also just as easily an instrument of anarchy, like the fire dance or the marked littlun dieing. There's even more to the novel than I care to type (such as Piggy's quotes from his auntie being the only adult voice).
"Ralph wept for the end of innocence, the darkness of man's heart, and the fall through the air of a true, wise friend called Piggy. He has lost his innocence and learned about the evil that lurks within all human beings." -William Golding, Lord of the Flies
In the book, Ralph did not participate in killing Simon and did not like hunting pigs. He wasn't apart of anything savage. Are these Notes based solely on the movie?
The 1990 movie sucked. The 1963 version was way better and more faithful to the book. It blows my mind that these notes didn't mention anything about Roger. Who was another key character.
Roger was my favourite character when I read the book. He was basically a sociopath and he was the one who killed Piggy, so he should have gotten a mention.
1. I liked both movies. They both had their own ways of expressing the theme of human savagery. Peter Brook's (1963 version) connected more with the book and clarified what Golding saw when writing the book, and Harry Hook's (1990 version) was an adaptation that explained what he understood and perceived from the novel and expressed it in his own unique way, still bonding with the theme and the overall story. 2. Roger was an important character. He symbolized the definite darkest mask of savagery, antisocial behaviors ("psychopathy" and "sociopathy"), and what humanity can do in its most evil ways. He was furthermore even more wicked than Jack Merridew himself, or at least he portrayed himself to be. He was the entire opposite of Simon, who is seen as a Christ figure of purity. However, Simon was flawed in his own way as well. His epileptic seizures, visions, and experiences were quite dark themselves. The "Lord of the Flies" apprised him with deep, dark words...and Simon's mind created the character in his mind as he was talking to him...so the "Lord of the Flies", which represents evil, is a part of Simon. Simon, out of everyone, was able to resist the factors of atrociousness more.
Rembrant Van Ryn seriously calm down and have a bit of respect for what others think, it's not cause you don't agree on there views that you should go all out talking shit just to try to hurt them... you just sound stupid and very uneducated.
I learned that the book is both a political and a religious allegory. Yeah Simon was seen as a savior of the boys (christ) and as a voice of reason on the political side.
Ralph represents the evil inside of us? Judging by the fact that Roger was ignored, i assume that these absurd statements were meant to be about Roger.
I always thought Ralph was the most intelligent, not Piggy. Piggy was naive and too trusting- he refused to acknowledge the savage nature of the rest of the boys, even when it's clear they don't care about his opinion. No matter what was happening, he was always complaining and was always a burden to look after. Every society has those who need help caring for themselves, be it through mental or physical handicaps. Ralph's refusal to abandon Piggy and the smaller boys was admirable, but nearly doomed him. Not everyone can be helped, as is evident when Jack's side basically turns Piggy into their lightning rod of aggression. Even from the beginning, the boys needed someone or something in their crosshairs, a common enemy to work against. First it was 'The Beast', then 'The Other Tribe', then specifically Ralph and Piggy. *IF* the story had carried on, and Ralph was killed, it's safe to assume that the tribe would start suspecting that he or Piggy had somehow survived, and still roamed the island as a sort of Beast 2.0. Things would go full circle with an unknown enemy, followed by a potential enemy, which would turn into a known threat.
No Piggy was intelligent and Ralph was no genius. Ralph had a higher E.Q. which means he was better at navigating social situations but when it comes to I.Q. Piggy was just a little above Ralph. Otherwise, you are correct.
I remember reading this book back in High School, it was actually the book that inspired be to be a writer (whether that's a good thing or not may vary from person to person.)
The story also emphasizes the foundational Christian concept that all men are born sinful and will one way or another will do evil things. Another is that the theme of the pig. The boys are actually compared to the pigs. Pigs are relatively no aggressive and well heaved when they are on the farm (in civilization), when pigs escape from farms sometimes , it takes 2 to 6 weeks for them to get back their aggressive instincts and to become wild boars
It would be difficult to make a video of that since Salinger declined all invitations to make it into a screenplay - which is why it is probably the only great 20th century novel never to have been made into a film.
One thing that is kinda mentioned here but not fully is the freudian and biblical allegory's of the novel/movie. Jack's character is meant to symbolize the ID, Ralph symbolized the ego, while Piggy and Simon symbolized the superego, Simon was also meant to symbolize Christ in both his life and his death.
In the book it was determined by the readers if Piggy and Ralph had actually participated in the murder of Simon, and Roger who wasn't mentioned had killed Piggy, also Simon's "hallucinations" can be inferred as a condition, in the beginning of the book he passes out and the choir brushes it off and informs that Simon always passes out, after talking to the lord of the flies, Simon passes out, which the reader can infer that he has some sort of condition. Also during his death, the dead pilot floats off of the mountain due to the storm and that also scares the littl'uns as he falls into the ocean. When Simon was carried by the waves, he had been surrounded by glowing creatures that signified the light or good that was slowly starting to drift away from the boys.
This is one of my favorite novels of all time. The multiple allegories of religious figures (Simon is a Christ Figure, The Lord of The Flies is a direct translation of Beelzebub, Jack is Lucifer, etc.) And the loss of innocence and humanity. And you gotta think: pretty much any person, even yourself, if stranded on an island and no rescue soon, would do the same thing say Jack, even maybe the extent to Roger (only if you are a natural sociopath) they did.
sorry for the dislike but i don't really trust hollywood to do right by the last two films or the book it's self and I feel as though the more the movie is redone it loses it's integrity and richness especially if it ends up sucking not because it's bad but because these days if it's not the same old bullshit ppl have already been fed there not into it so you may not see a good return from the box office
Alexander Rose Thyren I'm not from the USA either - in fact I'm from the UK, where it's quite commonplace for poor people to make jokes about rich people who went to Private Schools. A joke that was apparently lost on our friend here ^ :)
At least those kids know how to built a fire. Does public schools provide teaches survival skills or camping skills. I bet those military school kids will last long than you in a deserted island.
I've been writing a zombie survival novel about teens surviving the apocalypse, and upon only recently reading this book, I realize that many of the works I draw inspiration from have roots leading back to this novel. I have to say that this is quite possibly one of the best desert island stories of all time.
I read the book, watched the movie, and performed it on stage during my last year at high school. Even though it was probably one of my best performances ever, I thought it was such a disturbing plot that I felt I almost lost myself afterwards. I also think it was one of the most controversial theatre performances on my high school ever
Oh my god, please tell me that they know how bad the remake of Lord Of the Flies is. First, the boys were british and the actors were american. I would pass this off if any of them even attempted a british accent but they don't even try. Second is that they removed A LOT of the important points in the story. If you want a good movie to refer to lord of the flies, try the original black and white film. It got a HD release on DVD.
Zenkai76 Dude, the whole reason that this Story worked because England had a unique education system (By that i mean an actual education system). If it were any other nationality then their education would have been different and the story would have been different. In other words, i do.
The 1990's adaptation is about American military boys (military camp or a military school) not British school boys. They are not Americans playing British, they are simply Americans. It is also set at a more contemporary time than the 1963 film. Imo, in both films, the boys just suck at acting. Read the book it's much better, if you haven't yet.
dammit, first Animal Farm now Lord of the Flies, stop reeling me in with my favorite books!!!! I actually just bought another one of his books entitles The Papermen, looks decent, but I only bought it because I love Golding and it was published in 1984, which is the title of my favorite book :/
Lord of the Flies definitely stands as one of the best novels I ever read. Read it in high school and I really just ate it up. Great read and I'm glad it's been used for education.
@3:45 "It's only when a naval vessel comes to their rescue that the boys realize what they've become". Little ambiguous there, what exactly did they realize? Also, not sure how Ralph represents the evil within us - wouldn't that be Jack?
I suppose the appearance of the naval vessel would have shocked the boys into realising that there had been hope after all, after all they had been through and all the evil acts commited; all for nothing and to be found out as they, in the end, must have realised they were in the process of being rescued all along. Also, i think the narrator meant that Ralph represents how humans all have an evil side, and are all capable of murder/evil deeds, under the right circumstances, as Ralph is the character who tries to maintain civilised behaviour and equality, but in the end, ends up on a few occasions succumbing to his more savage side, under those circumstances. Jack simply represents those hungry for power and who use their power to manipulate and instill fear in others.
Rose When exactly did Ralph kill anyone? I don't recall that. Brings up a good point about power though -- both Jack & Ralph seek to use their influence in different ways. Jack, who is bigger and more intimidating simply bullies everyone into submission, more like a fascist tyrant. Whereas Ralph tries to maintain civility but also seeks to control behavior within socially accepted constructs, albeit in a more benevolent manner. From reading the book, I recall a professor of mine suggesting Ralph cries at the sight of the vessel because he realizes the sailors aboard are just as lost as the boys on the island. It's all about innocence lost and succumbing to the beast within all of us (I think).
Loved this story and the movie! Simon and Ralph were my favorite characters. My heart always broke for Piggy. Jack was the awful underbelly of society. I still remember the relief in Ralph’s eyes and disbelief in Jack’s eyes at the end once they all were “saved”.
I read this novel in English Lit my junior year of high school. I remember it being very meaningful to me. This.... Crib Notes version(?)... does no justice to the book. If you haven't read it, please do not judge it from this. Read the book for yourself. Okay, there I said it. Anyone wanna use my soapbox?
I saw 1990 movie when I was the age of the boys from the movie. When I watched how Piggy died I went into trauma. I was so sorry for that kid I cried for long time every time I remember that scene. For me it was too bizarre, morbid... it simply wasn't my time to see that movie, but I did. I've downloaded it today to watch it again, and my heart was pumping when the same scene came again :( fucking movie messed me up. I'm so sad about that kid I keep repeating my self it's only acting and shit. BUt that kid was so good actor, it was so real to me. I think I still have same trauma :(
Last year in English, before we even started reading the book in class, some kid told most of my classmates that the boys ate piggy, and everyone believed in that -__-
I would say this story is a fine example of the evils of statism. The blind leading the blind. Ralph is the closest representation of Anarchy. Ralph understands the need for organization, but he also understands equality. Unlike Jack he doesn't impose arbitrary rules that are enforced by punishment. Notice how eager Jack was to obtain power? This story shows that when you establish rule, the worst of us will do almost anything to become the rulers. The group will then follow under the belief that someone must be in charge, and then they follow out of fear of upsetting the powerful ruler. The island was a miniature scale of the world. This is not an example of human nature, but of human culture. Statism always begins with the best of intentions, but the end result is always the same.
@@85stumpen Well, I don't know for sure, but the names of the other main characters (Jack and Ralph) are references to Coral Island, and in Coral Island, the third main character's name was Peter.
I always thought there were darker religious undertones in the story? Pigs head representing Beelzebub and Simon representing the polar opposite, a true force for good. Beelzebub (pig, aka primal hunting) led Jack's tribe into darkness, and the knowledge that Simon had (force for good) could have brought them back around, however he was killed before he could impart that knowledge. Such an EXCELLENT story by a marvellous writer.
I hated the book at first. We read it in G10. But after analyzing the key themes and elements, I found new appreciation for it. It holds a special place in my heart as the book that I hated with a passion but know really love.
The video of "Top 10 Notes: Lord of the Flies" by Watchmojo talks about the characters, plot and setting, and also gives some background information. The main idea here is that the Novel is an important piece of literature that has many themes. One detail from the video is that LOTF is an "allegory that represents real life situations". I enjoy this video as well as other videos from Watchmojo. THis is a good video to watch if you want to learn a little bit about this classic novel.
Back at school I compared it to Ralph being Democracy and Jack being Anarchy, Ralph never discards his old clothes while Jack is nearly the first to do so. Simon and Piggy always have a place in democracy but not in the survival of the fittest of anarchy. Jack always seems to get more results than Raph but at the cost of Justice, Fairness and civility. The shell represents the degradation of democracy and corruption, at first it was vital to be able to talk and then piggy is even killed whilst holding it. I always thought my analysis made more sense then the traditional like the poster explained. The book was written During WWII and Published shortly after, it's clearly a critique to the Nazis & the Alliance.
I always thought this book was a deconstruction of popular works (such as Robinson Crusoe) where the protagonists are stuck on a deserted island and have to fight for survival. These books are all well done adventure stories but they don't really talk about what being isolated from society can really do to somebody. I love this book, it's one of my absolute favorites.
One of my favorite books! I read it last year in my Senior year English class...Everyone was so upset about Simon's death. He was my favorite character.
We had this special like class in secondary school on this book, we had two outings one to the theatre production and one camping trip. It was bloddy great.
The Oddsey was ....epic :D (get it?) The strange case of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde was cool. I Enjoyed Hamlet, and Much ado about Nothing... Romeo & Juliet sucked... The little prince was simply charming. Later in English class we stopped reading and simply analysing Tim Burton movies and cinematography... Who can complain about watching Nightmare before Xmas and Ed scissor-hands? :o What did you read?
akiflyer Most are a blank to me now but in college we read about the lonely automatic house that survived a nucular war. In that story a dog was eaten up by a ton of robot mice when the dog die with expose bones of radiation...bleh
We read this in high school and watched both movies. Frankly as much as I loved it if I watched that movie when I was about the boys ages, I'd have been scared shitless of other kids in school. I wasn't fat but I as bullied for being a nerd, so the thought of being stranded on an island with other kids I knew at the time I was pretty sure Lord of the Flies would be a prediction! lol
you forgot to mention the religious allegory Simon was kind of Jesus this is backed up by the fact he helped the littluns was stood up for the week (piggy) when he was being bullied and when Before he died he got a bloody nose before he went up the mountain, this it like the time Jesus sweet blood before he was crucified and Simon walked up the mountain as if caring something heavy (cross).
joel stewart This might help you with your Literature exams as: the majority of the characters are allegories in some form or another. Ralph is the allegory of civilised values (due to his concentration on rules, rescue and the return to society that comes with it, and a democratic approach to leadership) as well as man's internal struggle and inherit evil that comes with being creatures based on social activities as wild animals don't feel emotions like humans do, something which is slightly explored in the novel with Ralph, Piggy and Simon's more human and civilised demeanour in comparison with the eventually (not in Roger's, or similarly Jack's case) heartless and savage characters of the other boys. The guilt he feels over Simon's death in Chapter 9 being the most prevalent evidence of this, as well as the fact that he often feels conflicted over the choices he makes and should make while being 'Chief'. Piggy represents intelligence, logic and reason and the behaviour that stereotypically comes with it by possessing it as he his often scorned by the other boys whose youth or lack of reason (savagery) cause them to do this. His character is also designed to be weak in comparison to the other boys (except Simon, but hold on, I'm on to something here) as it is representative of the weakness of reason and logical values once savagery takes hold, and how easy it is to disregard these values once an opportunity for man's 'inherit disease' to flourish. As for Simon, which you already touched upon, he is also weak (in the eyes of the other boys) like Piggy as he is sensitive and intuitive, as well as being prone to epileptic fits and fainting. This makes him a Christ figure (like you said) as he is physically feeble, yet powerful enough to understand the things about human nature that none of the other characters can (with the exception of Ralph at the very end of the book) as he is told to 'shut up!' and 'sit down!' when he attempts to explain that the beast is 'only us [the boys]', much like how Jesus' prophecies were often ignored by the physically stronger soldiers who executed him. (Ayyyy, just like how the boys 'executed' Simon). Roger is the opposite of Simon as he represents the inherit evil of man as corrupted by the Devil (think of the story of the 'Original Sin' and the devil in the form of the snake). He is immediately tied down by the regulations of society yet is also immediately recognised as a 'furtive' character, foreshadowing his potential for evil. Roger is unique in the sense that he is brutal. Unlike the other boys who descend into savagery and lose their morality, Roger has no morality to begin with, finding the prospect of hurting (when he attempts throws stones at Henry/when he tortures Samneric) exciting. This ultimately leading to the first solely purposeful (as it could be argued that the murder of Simon was the result of fear and mob-mentality) murder on the island of Piggy, whom he sees as a 'sack of fat' showing his evil disregard for life. (Note-worthy, LOTF has many strong connections to Christianity, not just in Simon and the Island, as it could be said that Roger is like Cain, Adam and Eve's son, who committed the very first intentional murder)
The thing I like about the book is that not everyone is entirely good (well except Piggy and Simon) Even the main character, Ralph is not entirely good. He participates in the killing of Simon and he’s the one we are rooting for. I like stories that are like that.
One thing I've NEVER understood about this story: Piggy was supposed to be near-sighted - and yet they were able to use his glasses to make a fire. Think that one through for a minute...
leaveowits **Sighs** - A convex lens is what is required to start a fire - a concave lens is what is prescribed to correct for near-sightedness. Need I explain in further detail - or can you manage to connect the dots?
How does Ralph represent the evil inside of us? Jack is the savage that tears them all apart.
+Kevin Sethre Jack is not the main bad guy, Roger is,!!! he killed a person all by himself
Sabit Abdullah but jack leads the whole tribe of savages and he is able to get all of them to be brutal killers. Jack also leads the charge to kill Ralph at the end
yes he does but he never realized he could murder someone until roger killed piggy.
Sabit Abdullah jack is the one that hates Ralph from the start. He is the one that leads the hunters to break off from the group. He is the self proclaimed leader of the other tribe. He leads the killing of Simon and the hunting of jack. Roger is his right hand man.
Yes he does lead the killing of simon but ralph and piggy attempt to kill him too.
My heart breaks everytime I hear piggy cry.
Same 😢
Evil Philanthropist no it's just funny
Evil Philanthropist I hated piggy
Stephanie Born same xc
Alex A
So?
I loved the 1963 movie, but I hated the triumphal naval music at the end when it was supposed to be a serious moment. Every time I watch the movie I always mute it when Ralph is crying at the end because I always thought the movie would be perfect if the end was dead quiet.
I couldn't agree more. :)
Great film overall but absolutely agreed
Les Walking Dr. Musical Lover I think it makes the scene more dark
Elliart 7 ye if there was no music and you could just hear the boys cry
It is the song representing civilisation in the boys, it was sung by the choir in the beginning and the lyrics literally translate to "god save us" I think it fits perfectly
This was one of the most messed up books I read in high school, but it's also the book I remember the best. That has to count for something.
Vincent Mortensen we read it in 7th grade.
Exozxn I'm reading it right now in 8th
Ralph doesn't actually represent the evil within all humans, he represents the democracy on the island. Jack actually represents the evil inside of all humans, and how every person is savage.
Ralph = Democracy and Civilisation
Jack = Savagery in humans
Piggy = Intelligence and also Civilistation
Simon = An allegory of Jesus, becasue
Because…? 🧐
@@magelyperez3782 Because he was murdered whilst trying to deliver an important message and share knowledge that would benefit his murderers - some of whom were his friends/allies
He also speaks with the devil and is murdered in a ritualistic way
Boi, you forgot the fact that Simon is Jesus!
Callum Gauthier lmao true, the fruit and his death. Although these notes are based on the films and not the books, search Lord of the flies and the spark notes which come up are much more accurate
I almost cried when he was killed
Callum Gauthier 😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑
when was the last time you read the Bible? since the movie?
@@cmgvillager why, Simons character is literally meant to represent a “Christ” figure. His death shows that the boys on the island had turned to savagery with no return. His death is like the crucifixion of Christ
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Should have included Roger and Samneric.
They never read the book only seen the film and in the film they play minor part
@@nikolasmccann3483 well in the book you learn a lot more about them and you definitely know that Roger represents evil
I loved sitting and unraveling this book and this video was pretty good, that being said I didn't agree with all the notes and I have some of my own (to help anyone studying it)
The chapter names represent the rapid unwinding of civilization and the human pysche.
The beast starts as a fear of the unknown, then it transitions to a fear of the boys subconciously turning savage (beast from water) only to then move on to something that they are all quietly aware of in the background (beast from air) and finally it consumes them from the inside as it was always just the potential evil inside the boys, and Jack uses this as a monacher for his savagery.
The parallells between Simon/Jesus and the Beast/Beelzebub. Although shallow and surface deep there are solid parallells between the four. Simon is a prophit who brings truth to the masses and as a result is ritualistically executed. He converses with "The Lord of the Flies" which is a representation of the Beast and translates to Beelzebub, a demon representing Satan/True evil. Their conversation mirrors the conversation between Jesus and the devil.
Piggy and and Ralph. Ralph represents order and leadership in civilization whilt Piggy represents science/logic. Ralph is charismatic and brave whilst Piggy is clearly more intelligent, but Ralph is the only one adheered to, showing signs of a society that values courage and showmanship over reliable intelligence.
Ralph and the pig hunt. At first Ralph can't understand the obsession with hunting but once he hunts himself he gets caught up in all tge excitement and forgets about his morals showing that even the best of us can give way to savagery.
The signal fire. The fire represents the connection to civilization and the boys desire to be rescued. At the start it burns big and bright, showing that the boys have a desire for order and to be rescued, but quickly the fire becomes neglected as their pseudo society gives way to savagery, and as the fire diminishes so does their desire for order and rescue.
Jack represents basic human nature and the "beast" (savagery/evil) within us all. At the start the scales lean heavily to civilization, almost as if the boys have invisible shackles on them. But as the story progresses and they lose sight of their goal for rescue, the shackles loosen and the beast begins to grow. It starts with the Littluns who represent the masses, and then it creeps in on our leaders (the bigguns) on which it has different effects. For Jack it's a weapon, for Roger an excuse, for Piggy a surreal notion, for Simon a battle he must fight (but knows he'll lose) and for Ralph is a test of his moral character.
Roger represents what happens when the beast has consumed us, his total and utter willingness to hide behind his paint for the sake of savagery shows his complete break away from the civilized world.
The fire represents the dangerously thin line between savagery and civiliation, it is their chance for rescue but also just as easily an instrument of anarchy, like the fire dance or the marked littlun dieing.
There's even more to the novel than I care to type (such as Piggy's quotes from his auntie being the only adult voice).
"Ralph wept for the end of innocence, the darkness of man's heart, and the fall through the air of a true, wise friend called Piggy. He has lost his innocence and learned about the evil that lurks within all human beings."
-William Golding, Lord of the Flies
Is it just me who feels sooo sorry for piggy
I'd be very afraid if it were just you.
...and Simon. Both were amazing characters, and most of goodness was killed after they died.
What about Simon 😞😞
nope, anyone with a soul does, we all remember what it was like to be the target of bullies
Why Piggy? Simon was also killed, and he was cute as opposed to Piggy, who was just fat.
In the book, Ralph did not participate in killing Simon and did not like hunting pigs. He wasn't apart of anything savage. Are these Notes based solely on the movie?
I reread already and yeah I was mistaken. They did take part in it, my bad. *****
The 1990 movie sucked. The 1963 version was way better and more faithful to the book. It blows my mind that these notes didn't mention anything about Roger. Who was another key character.
StarBoy62 roger is the devil
i actually really liked the 1990 movie, the acting was better
I think both are good.
Roger was my favourite character when I read the book. He was basically a sociopath and he was the one who killed Piggy, so he should have gotten a mention.
1. I liked both movies. They both had their own ways of expressing the theme of human savagery. Peter Brook's (1963 version) connected more with the book and clarified what Golding saw when writing the book, and Harry Hook's (1990 version) was an adaptation that explained what he understood and perceived from the novel and expressed it in his own unique way, still bonding with the theme and the overall story.
2. Roger was an important character. He symbolized the definite darkest mask of savagery, antisocial behaviors ("psychopathy" and "sociopathy"), and what humanity can do in its most evil ways. He was furthermore even more wicked than Jack Merridew himself, or at least he portrayed himself to be. He was the entire opposite of Simon, who is seen as a Christ figure of purity. However, Simon was flawed in his own way as well. His epileptic seizures, visions, and experiences were quite dark themselves. The "Lord of the Flies" apprised him with deep, dark words...and Simon's mind created the character in his mind as he was talking to him...so the "Lord of the Flies", which represents evil, is a part of Simon. Simon, out of everyone, was able to resist the factors of atrociousness more.
Piggy is Love, Piggy is Life
This is my island
Its not konk, its conch, with a ch not K
It's either one
+Sakura Drawing Pencil it's got 2 pronounciations.
www.dictionary.com/browse/conch?s=t
Its pronounced differently in different places
Where's the note about Roger?
I was taught that Simon represented the perfect leader who we don't deserve.
eg. christ.
I got taught he was epileptic and through mass hysteria he represents the voice of truth
im talking of simon
Rembrant Van Ryn seriously calm down and have a bit of respect for what others think, it's not cause you don't agree on there views that you should go all out talking shit just to try to hurt them... you just sound stupid and very uneducated.
Rembrant Van Ryn
You're really fucking stupid, arent you? Regardless if you're a troll or not.
I learned that the book is both a political and a religious allegory. Yeah Simon was seen as a savior of the boys (christ) and as a voice of reason on the political side.
The Simpsons parody of this book is very good. The Thug Notes analysis about Lord of the flies is also pretty darn good.
Ralph represents the evil inside of us? Judging by the fact that Roger was ignored, i assume that these absurd statements were meant to be about Roger.
Yeah, I can't really see how Ralph represents the "evil inside of us". Roger was truly the worst!
JoJoJoShredder Also power didn't seem to corrupt him. In fact he seemed to only lose power in the story
I always thought Ralph was the most intelligent, not Piggy. Piggy was naive and too trusting- he refused to acknowledge the savage nature of the rest of the boys, even when it's clear they don't care about his opinion. No matter what was happening, he was always complaining and was always a burden to look after.
Every society has those who need help caring for themselves, be it through mental or physical handicaps. Ralph's refusal to abandon Piggy and the smaller boys was admirable, but nearly doomed him. Not everyone can be helped, as is evident when Jack's side basically turns Piggy into their lightning rod of aggression. Even from the beginning, the boys needed someone or something in their crosshairs, a common enemy to work against. First it was 'The Beast', then 'The Other Tribe', then specifically Ralph and Piggy.
*IF* the story had carried on, and Ralph was killed, it's safe to assume that the tribe would start suspecting that he or Piggy had somehow survived, and still roamed the island as a sort of Beast 2.0. Things would go full circle with an unknown enemy, followed by a potential enemy, which would turn into a known threat.
No Piggy was intelligent and Ralph was no genius. Ralph had a higher E.Q. which means he was better at navigating social situations but when it comes to I.Q. Piggy was just a little above Ralph. Otherwise, you are correct.
I remember reading this book back in High School, it was actually the book that inspired be to be a writer (whether that's a good thing or not may vary from person to person.)
Do what is in your heart!
Why would that be a bad thing? :)
The story also emphasizes the foundational Christian concept that all men are born sinful and will one way or another will do evil things.
Another is that the theme of the pig. The boys are actually compared to the pigs. Pigs are relatively no aggressive and well heaved when they are on the farm (in civilization), when pigs escape from farms sometimes , it takes 2 to 6 weeks for them to get back their aggressive instincts and to become wild boars
This is a bit bad... No roger in it and he is very important and seems to leave a lot out
Ya he killed my favorite character piggy
Didn't realise how dark and frankly heavy this story is.
Would like to see you do this with Catcher in the Rye.
Oh, yes please
It would be difficult to make a video of that since Salinger declined all invitations to make it into a screenplay - which is why it is probably the only great 20th century novel never to have been made into a film.
Cosmo Tarkovsky You are most likely right because they would not have to spiffy video clips from a movie to liven up their analysis.
I want another remake😂😂😂
They should remake this following the original book. Also with good actors, camerawork and a good director.
One thing that is kinda mentioned here but not fully is the freudian and biblical allegory's of the novel/movie. Jack's character is meant to symbolize the ID, Ralph symbolized the ego, while Piggy and Simon symbolized the superego, Simon was also meant to symbolize Christ in both his life and his death.
In the book it was determined by the readers if Piggy and Ralph had actually participated in the murder of Simon, and Roger who wasn't mentioned had killed Piggy, also Simon's "hallucinations" can be inferred as a condition, in the beginning of the book he passes out and the choir brushes it off and informs that Simon always passes out, after talking to the lord of the flies, Simon passes out, which the reader can infer that he has some sort of condition. Also during his death, the dead pilot floats off of the mountain due to the storm and that also scares the littl'uns as he falls into the ocean. When Simon was carried by the waves, he had been surrounded by glowing creatures that signified the light or good that was slowly starting to drift away from the boys.
I remembered reading this back in high school. And I saw the original black-and-white film.
Sucks to your asthma!
klebics sucks to your ass-mar! Sucks to your auntie!
klebics ass-mar
Yeah it's ass-mar
Ass mar
nah man its ass-mar
This is by far one of my favorite books of all time! I love all the discussions that can arise from it. It's such a thought provoking novel.
I like what you've done here. I'd like to see more of these based on classics.
The actor for Piggy in the 1990 film is out-fucking-standing
This is one of my favorite novels of all time. The multiple allegories of religious figures (Simon is a Christ Figure, The Lord of The Flies is a direct translation of Beelzebub, Jack is Lucifer, etc.) And the loss of innocence and humanity. And you gotta think: pretty much any person, even yourself, if stranded on an island and no rescue soon, would do the same thing say Jack, even maybe the extent to Roger (only if you are a natural sociopath) they did.
We need to see a new Lord of the Flies movie :)
Melanie Uon nahhh they have done it twice
Lord of the Flies
Do you realize that more time has now passed since the last one than there was between the two versions?
sorry for the dislike but i don't really trust hollywood to do right by the last two films or the book it's self and I feel as though the more the movie is redone it loses it's integrity and richness especially if it ends up sucking not because it's bad but because these days if it's not the same old bullshit ppl have already been fed there not into it so you may not see a good return from the box office
there making a all female one, its probably going to be terrible.
So... I guess the moral of the story is 'don't send you kids to private schools' ;)
^ Case and point ;)
***** I went to a privat school and a normal school there is really no diffrence ofc i am not from America.
Alexander Rose Thyren I'm not from the USA either - in fact I'm from the UK, where it's quite commonplace for poor people to make jokes about rich people who went to Private Schools.
A joke that was apparently lost on our friend here ^ :)
***** *Case in point
At least those kids know how to built a fire. Does public schools provide teaches survival skills or camping skills. I bet those military school kids will last
long than you in a deserted island.
Piggy is my favourite character in Lord of the flies, Because of his Innocence and rationality and loyalty towards Ralph!!
The one who holds the conch, holds the power.
I just started this book in English class, thanks for the info watch mojo!!
For more Mojo Notes check out this playlist,
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I've been writing a zombie survival novel about teens surviving the apocalypse, and upon only recently reading this book, I realize that many of the works I draw inspiration from have roots leading back to this novel. I have to say that this is quite possibly one of the best desert island stories of all time.
If anyone liked Lord of the flies, read GONE by Michael grant, it has a similar plot but is easier to understand. One of my most favourite books
I read the book, watched the movie, and performed it on stage during my last year at high school. Even though it was probably one of my best performances ever, I thought it was such a disturbing plot that I felt I almost lost myself afterwards. I also think it was one of the most controversial theatre performances on my high school ever
Gone by Michel Grant is very much based on this.
Love those books, also lord of the flies.
I love the gone series!
loved this book. did my english exams a year early and it was truly a pleasure to do so.
Oh my god, please tell me that they know how bad the remake of Lord Of the Flies is.
First, the boys were british and the actors were american. I would pass this off if any of them even attempted a british accent but they don't even try.
Second is that they removed A LOT of the important points in the story.
If you want a good movie to refer to lord of the flies, try the original black and white film. It got a HD release on DVD.
really? OH NO! I hope Bollywood doesnt remake it and make it all Indians that would just be awful! Oh wait, who gives a shit
Zenkai76
Haha. As far as I know they made a movie about Hitler (singing and dancing included). So, your nightmare might become true.
Zenkai76 Dude, the whole reason that this Story worked because England had a unique education system (By that i mean an actual education system). If it were any other nationality then their education would have been different and the story would have been different.
In other words, i do.
brogeneral fair enough
The 1990's adaptation is about American military boys (military camp or a military school) not British school boys. They are not Americans playing British, they are simply Americans. It is also set at a more contemporary time than the 1963 film. Imo, in both films, the boys just suck at acting. Read the book it's much better, if you haven't yet.
I've analyzed the book before and it was actually really exciting. Knowing about Golding's background his doubt in humanity is easier to understand.
dammit, first Animal Farm now Lord of the Flies, stop reeling me in with my favorite books!!!!
I actually just bought another one of his books entitles The Papermen, looks decent, but I only bought it because I love Golding and it was published in 1984, which is the title of my favorite book :/
More books plz! So good thanks for the sparknotes
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This was a brutal movie with a good ending, Jack was my favorite character
Same
@@melaniewells3381 why?
it is kind of an evil movie in a way, 2 boys die and they all go home having to face what they've become. Remember World War 2 was taking place aswell
Needed this for my final tomorrow bless
one of the best books i have ever read.
Lord of the Flies definitely stands as one of the best novels I ever read. Read it in high school and I really just ate it up. Great read and I'm glad it's been used for education.
@3:45 "It's only when a naval vessel comes to their rescue that the boys realize what they've become". Little ambiguous there, what exactly did they realize?
Also, not sure how Ralph represents the evil within us - wouldn't that be Jack?
I suppose the appearance of the naval vessel would have shocked the boys into realising that there had been hope after all, after all they had been through and all the evil acts commited; all for nothing and to be found out as they, in the end, must have realised they were in the process of being rescued all along.
Also, i think the narrator meant that Ralph represents how humans all have an evil side, and are all capable of murder/evil deeds, under the right circumstances, as Ralph is the character who tries to maintain civilised behaviour and equality, but in the end, ends up on a few occasions succumbing to his more savage side, under those circumstances. Jack simply represents those hungry for power and who use their power to manipulate and instill fear in others.
Rose When exactly did Ralph kill anyone? I don't recall that.
Brings up a good point about power though -- both Jack & Ralph seek to use their influence in different ways. Jack, who is bigger and more intimidating simply bullies everyone into submission, more like a fascist tyrant. Whereas Ralph tries to maintain civility but also seeks to control behavior within socially accepted constructs, albeit in a more benevolent manner.
From reading the book, I recall a professor of mine suggesting Ralph cries at the sight of the vessel because he realizes the sailors aboard are just as lost as the boys on the island. It's all about innocence lost and succumbing to the beast within all of us (I think).
Loved this story and the movie! Simon and Ralph were my favorite characters. My heart always broke for Piggy. Jack was the awful underbelly of society. I still remember the relief in Ralph’s eyes and disbelief in Jack’s eyes at the end once they all were “saved”.
say what you will but i think they started killing each other from lack of tea
XD
British joke.
I read this novel in English Lit my junior year of high school. I remember it being very meaningful to me. This.... Crib Notes version(?)... does no justice to the book. If you haven't read it, please do not judge it from this. Read the book for yourself. Okay, there I said it. Anyone wanna use my soapbox?
I saw 1990 movie when I was the age of the boys from the movie. When I watched how Piggy died I went into trauma. I was so sorry for that kid I cried for long time every time I remember that scene. For me it was too bizarre, morbid... it simply wasn't my time to see that movie, but I did. I've downloaded it today to watch it again, and my heart was pumping when the same scene came again :( fucking movie messed me up. I'm so sad about that kid I keep repeating my self it's only acting and shit. BUt that kid was so good actor, it was so real to me. I think I still have same trauma :(
that scene was so fake you could see the rock fall in front of piggy and not even touch him, yet he still fell over.
it doesn't matter man. At that time it was trauma anyways. It's not the visual effect, the idea is horrible.
+Emir Hamidović
nah. if you are traumatised by that then you should reconsider if you are 4 years old or not.
I was 6 or 7 back then :D
+Emir Hamidović
didask
Last year in English, before we even started reading the book in class, some kid told most of my classmates that the boys ate piggy, and everyone believed in that -__-
I would say this story is a fine example of the evils of statism. The blind leading the blind. Ralph is the closest representation of Anarchy. Ralph understands the need for organization, but he also understands equality. Unlike Jack he doesn't impose arbitrary rules that are enforced by punishment. Notice how eager Jack was to obtain power? This story shows that when you establish rule, the worst of us will do almost anything to become the rulers. The group will then follow under the belief that someone must be in charge, and then they follow out of fear of upsetting the powerful ruler. The island was a miniature scale of the world. This is not an example of human nature, but of human culture. Statism always begins with the best of intentions, but the end result is always the same.
I'm in the middle of reading this in English class and this really helped!
I love the Spongebob episode that makes fun of this book :P
***** Club Spongebob, I believe
Thank u so much, this helped alot in studying for my test
Top Ten: Of Mice And Men Notes. Or has that already been done?
It's done, but not published yet.
Simon is also the representation of Christ (sacrifice and enlightenment)
We never found out piggy's name! It still bothers me!
It is Peter.
@@integralcialbay4633 where do you know that from? It's never mentioned in the book
@@85stumpen Well, I don't know for sure, but the names of the other main characters (Jack and Ralph) are references to Coral Island, and in Coral Island, the third main character's name was Peter.
I studied this book in school. Love this book so much.
This book was so good. Wish I had seen this video when I was in high school though haha
I always thought there were darker religious undertones in the story? Pigs head representing Beelzebub and Simon representing the polar opposite, a true force for good. Beelzebub (pig, aka primal hunting) led Jack's tribe into darkness, and the knowledge that Simon had (force for good) could have brought them back around, however he was killed before he could impart that knowledge. Such an EXCELLENT story by a marvellous writer.
WHERE WAS ROGER lol he's my favourite character even though he's a sadistic murderer lol
we need Wilfred..... of course from the 63 movie.
I hated the book at first. We read it in G10. But after analyzing the key themes and elements, I found new appreciation for it. It holds a special place in my heart as the book that I hated with a passion but know really love.
this and clockwork orange mess with my mind, there's nothing more f****d then a sociopath who's yet to reach puberty
I can't believe The 1990 movie was rated R and I thought Jack or Rodger should've died
The story is actually an allegory for the world war. The movie is also a terrible representation of the book
Louisa Bell Which Film
The 1990's Harry Hook version, the coloured version.
You know, I'm noticing a trend with how apparently, all these classics were hated when they debuted. I wonder what changed so many people's minds.
At the rate we're headed, in 50 years Twilight will be educational literature.
Ok, this is the movie notes, not the book. C'mon man what the hell were you guys thinking!!?!!?!?
What the fuck is a book?
bubasa87 I don't know, let me search it up on my Kindle...
i wish you made this video like 2 years ago i could have used this information when i had to read it
OMG THAT ENDING MUSIC WHEN THE OFFICER SHOWS UP DOESN'T FIT AT ALL.
Mute it next time and watch. It becomes much more dramatic.
I'm loving the top ten notes, more please.
I love the book and the movie. It sucks when piggie is pushed and dies. And the rocks. And the guy that guy that got stabbed a lot. And eaten.
The video of "Top 10 Notes: Lord of the Flies" by Watchmojo talks about the characters, plot and setting, and also gives some background information. The main idea here is that the Novel is an important piece of literature that has many themes. One detail from the video is that LOTF is an "allegory that represents real life situations". I enjoy this video as well as other videos from Watchmojo. THis is a good video to watch if you want to learn a little bit about this classic novel.
Back at school I compared it to Ralph being Democracy and Jack being Anarchy, Ralph never discards his old clothes while Jack is nearly the first to do so.
Simon and Piggy always have a place in democracy but not in the survival of the fittest of anarchy.
Jack always seems to get more results than Raph but at the cost of Justice, Fairness and civility. The shell represents the degradation of democracy and corruption, at first it was vital to be able to talk and then piggy is even killed whilst holding it.
I always thought my analysis made more sense then the traditional like the poster explained. The book was written During WWII and Published shortly after, it's clearly a critique to the Nazis & the Alliance.
I always thought this book was a deconstruction of popular works (such as Robinson Crusoe) where the protagonists are stuck on a deserted island and have to fight for survival. These books are all well done adventure stories but they don't really talk about what being isolated from society can really do to somebody.
I love this book, it's one of my absolute favorites.
I have an English literature exam on this tomorrow :( :(
One of my favorite books! I read it last year in my Senior year English class...Everyone was so upset about Simon's death. He was my favorite character.
Rip Piggy and Simon :(
We had this special like class in secondary school on this book, we had two outings one to the theatre production and one camping trip. It was bloddy great.
I hated that book. We never read anything positive from middle school to college.
The Oddsey was ....epic :D (get it?)
The strange case of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde was cool.
I Enjoyed Hamlet, and Much ado about Nothing... Romeo & Juliet sucked...
The little prince was simply charming.
Later in English class we stopped reading and simply analysing Tim Burton movies and cinematography... Who can complain about watching Nightmare before Xmas and Ed scissor-hands? :o
What did you read?
thats because positive things dont teach us anything. "without pain, how can we know joy?" - John green
Thomas Karam true but we were young you think they would have some happier books. School was already terrible and depressing.
akiflyer Most are a blank to me now but in college we read about the lonely automatic house that survived a nucular war. In that story a dog was eaten up by a ton of robot mice when the dog die with expose bones of radiation...bleh
Not all classics are depressing. "1984" and "Brave New World" were... oh.
We read this in high school and watched both movies. Frankly as much as I loved it if I watched that movie when I was about the boys ages, I'd have been scared shitless of other kids in school. I wasn't fat but I as bullied for being a nerd, so the thought of being stranded on an island with other kids I knew at the time I was pretty sure Lord of the Flies would be a prediction! lol
Using a 'konk'
It was set in World War 2, not a nuclear war. They were on a refugee plane when it crashed.
Did you even SEE the Animal Farm video??? Watchmojo is obviously rusty on their knowledge of literature.
TOP TEN NOTES: DRIVE
You are literally naming off every book I'm reading in school
Top 10 notes: 1984
Thank god for this video I just started reading this book in class
you forgot to mention the religious allegory Simon was kind of Jesus this is backed up by the fact he helped the littluns was stood up for the week (piggy) when he was being bullied and when Before he died he got a bloody nose before he went up the mountain, this it like the time Jesus sweet blood before he was crucified and Simon walked up the mountain as if caring something heavy (cross).
joel stewart This might help you with your Literature exams as: the majority of the characters are allegories in some form or another. Ralph is the allegory of civilised values (due to his concentration on rules, rescue and the return to society that comes with it, and a democratic approach to leadership) as well as man's internal struggle and inherit evil that comes with being creatures based on social activities as wild animals don't feel emotions like humans do, something which is slightly explored in the novel with Ralph, Piggy and Simon's more human and civilised demeanour in comparison with the eventually (not in Roger's, or similarly Jack's case) heartless and savage characters of the other boys. The guilt he feels over Simon's death in Chapter 9 being the most prevalent evidence of this, as well as the fact that he often feels conflicted over the choices he makes and should make while being 'Chief'. Piggy represents intelligence, logic and reason and the behaviour that stereotypically comes with it by possessing it as he his often scorned by the other boys whose youth or lack of reason (savagery) cause them to do this. His character is also designed to be weak in comparison to the other boys (except Simon, but hold on, I'm on to something here) as it is representative of the weakness of reason and logical values once savagery takes hold, and how easy it is to disregard these values once an opportunity for man's 'inherit disease' to flourish. As for Simon, which you already touched upon, he is also weak (in the eyes of the other boys) like Piggy as he is sensitive and intuitive, as well as being prone to epileptic fits and fainting. This makes him a Christ figure (like you said) as he is physically feeble, yet powerful enough to understand the things about human nature that none of the other characters can (with the exception of Ralph at the very end of the book) as he is told to 'shut up!' and 'sit down!' when he attempts to explain that the beast is 'only us [the boys]', much like how Jesus' prophecies were often ignored by the physically stronger soldiers who executed him. (Ayyyy, just like how the boys 'executed' Simon). Roger is the opposite of Simon as he represents the inherit evil of man as corrupted by the Devil (think of the story of the 'Original Sin' and the devil in the form of the snake). He is immediately tied down by the regulations of society yet is also immediately recognised as a 'furtive' character, foreshadowing his potential for evil. Roger is unique in the sense that he is brutal. Unlike the other boys who descend into savagery and lose their morality, Roger has no morality to begin with, finding the prospect of hurting (when he attempts throws stones at Henry/when he tortures Samneric) exciting. This ultimately leading to the first solely purposeful (as it could be argued that the murder of Simon was the result of fear and mob-mentality) murder on the island of Piggy, whom he sees as a 'sack of fat' showing his evil disregard for life. (Note-worthy, LOTF has many strong connections to Christianity, not just in Simon and the Island, as it could be said that Roger is like Cain, Adam and Eve's son, who committed the very first intentional murder)
The thing I like about the book is that not everyone is entirely good (well except Piggy and Simon) Even the main character, Ralph is not entirely good. He participates in the killing of Simon and he’s the one we are rooting for. I like stories that are like that.
One thing I've NEVER understood about this story: Piggy was supposed to be near-sighted - and yet they were able to use his glasses to make a fire.
Think that one through for a minute...
Ok explain what your talking about.
leaveowits **Sighs** - A convex lens is what is required to start a fire - a concave lens is what is prescribed to correct for near-sightedness. Need I explain in further detail - or can you manage to connect the dots?
*****
Most likely an oversight by the author, they happen from time to time in the older books, and newer ones too.
*****
NEEEEEEEERRRRRRRD!!
Marnerbroman Why, because I possess enough knowledge to understand that a near-sighted person's glasses will not focus the Sun's rays to a point?
This was one of my favorite novels that I had to read in my English class.