No wonder Steve is sick touching all that bird shit covered stuff. He sounds like he has a respiratory illness from breathing in bacteria from that stuff. You should have at a minimum a N95 type mask and disposable gloves to be in there, and hand sanitizer when you get out. Get well soon Steve.
Now that is dedication! Steve is willing to go to great lengths for us. Handling those heads covered in bird poop! I hope he had some hand sanitizer close by.
The best is YET TO COME! Really! Tomorrow we will show an AMAZING barn find discovery! Spoiler alert....J2!!! Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
At 3:57; If I remember correctly that's a "Corsa" 4 carb (140hp) engine, not to be confused with a "Corsa" Turbo (180hp) engine, versus a "Monza" 2 carb (110hp) engine head seen at 4:35. ;-)
Thanks for the great commentary on weight and 'gas guzzlers'. Loved them to death! Always had V8s. Name a badge, I've owned one or two. Big 850 double pumpers. Gosh it was great. When your dad owns a Sunoco station. Then 1969 came and we got schooled on our decadent behavior. Saw the damage, tried to fix it. Marketing took over and we slipped into the doldrums. Now we have small motors (ones you can afford), making all kinds of hp but out of breath. Burning more gas than ever. This barn find is a treasure for someone like Steve, who has all the knowledge. I got schooled big time as always.
The offset on the Toronado wheels was to get the correct steering geometry to combat torque steer. Traditional front end geometry at that time had large positive scrub radius - the steering axis intersects the ground well inboard of the center of the tire contact patch. With front wheel drive, that puts torque reactions into the steering - the steering axis has to be close to the center of the tire contact patch to combat this. Pushing the ball joints outboard pushes the brakes outboard, and with drum brakes, there was no nesting calipers between ball joints and steering arms as is done with disks, the whole brake has to be outboard of all the ball joints and steering. And that's why those wheels look like that!
That barn would be nice if it were fixed up and cleaned up. It looks like it has a lot of room and is very "commodious" to use your terms. Yes, Olds cylinder head are often ID'd by the letters on them and casting numbers. Some are better than others. Partially correct. Congress enacted CAFE rules in 1975, but they didn't take affect until the 1978 model year. I spot a 1984 era Olds RWD wheel cover in the background when you were talking about the Toronado brake drum. Yes, it's likely Dayco, Gates, or Goodyear was the OEM belt supplier to GM. It's funny you say, "There's no radiator on a Corvair". I worked with a woman and she asked me to check a repair bill for her car to see if it was reasonable. I said, "Sure, no problem". I told her, "No, he's not being honest. There's double-dip charges here and made up parts". She said, "Well, he's honest". (I knew this was going to go nowhere). I said, "So honest that he's double charging you to change the belts and he's replacing a fuel filter that does not exist. This vehicle doesn't have a serviceable fuel filter and I really doubt he's pulling the sending unit out of the tank to service it, because the part numbers don't match. This bill is loaded with about $300 in fat". She still thought he was honest and I bowed out and let her go her way. She left the job soon thereafter and transferred elsewhere. Nice person, but when someone has something in their head and believes in someone, you're not going to convince them that they aren't the best thing since canned beer or air travel.
Hello Google User GP, your story reminds me of a TV show pilot project I was involved in way back when with the Speed Channel. It was about 2005 and Speed Channel was looking to diversify from only-race-coverage to some additional general interest car shows. One idea I pitched was to "fake / stage" certain automotive problems on a car then take said car to Los Angeles area mechanic shops to see if they tried to take advantage of the situation with "padding" as you state. We did a "pilot" wherein we worked with an informed mechanic who was in on the concept just to assure we could "sell" the overall idea to Speed Channel decision makers. We offered tips like putting a secret mark on your old parts to see if they were just left in place, marking tires before a tire rotation process to see if they really did the work, intentionally loosening certain plugs to see if the shop tried to up-sell us on "thread repair work" and that sort of stuff. The show pilot was produced by McKenna-Gottlieb Productions (of Bill Nye The Science Guy fame) but Speed Channel passed on the offering. I also "pitched" them a junkyard treasure hunt show but they said "OUR" viewers aren't interested in old junk cars". Instead they went with shows like Unique Whips. Hoo-boy! NO senor! Anyhoo, Thanks for watching and writing and offering your expert commentary and unflinching Pass / Fail assessment of the presentation. I do appreciate it and its good "quality control" for me to slow the heck down as I do these videos so as to TRY not to mis-speak in the heat of the battle between my ears. Thanks again. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Sometimes you have to do research and look things up and really get into it. Otherwise, you do not sound intelligent when you speak (I'm talking about everyone in general). I recently had to help my uncle with a low tire condition on his Honda Civic. Now most cars, you correct the low air condition and the TPMS "self recognizes" the fix and you're good to go. Nope, not Honda. You have to reset the TPMS through the menu on the dashboard. The owner's manual makes an allusion to it, but no real clear procedure. But, You Tube has you covered. I watched an eight year old YT video and Bob's your uncle, good to go. In fact, I just replaced the battery on the car this morning for him. LOL.
@7:22 "Who cared, gas was $0.30 a gallon." Yes, it was but if one runs the numbers for someone driving 10K per year at 10 mpg and divide that by the average income in 1962 of $4,200 you get about 7% of their income being spent on gasoline. Today with an average income around $58,000, calling gas $3.00 per gallon, getting an average 20 mpg and driving the same 10k per year it works out to about 2.6% of a persons income. Even if we call gas at $4.00 per gallon it works out to about 3.5%. So, relatively speaking, gas was a bigger part of our spending than it is today. In 1963 I was making $2,25 an hour ($90 per week) as an apprentice union carpenter and that $8 - $10 bucks a week for gas really cut into the beer fund.
What a great collection of stuff! Someone needs to rescue all that and get it back into circulation. I am sure that many people are looking for those parts.
My ex boss built an old tornado mutation with a 89 Chevy truck 2wd. Front wheel drive truck looked a tad lowered and the tornado wheels with the Chevy truck center caps . It would do burn outs like John force whenever you matted it
I remember the first time I worked on a Toronado as a young mechanic. I was amazed to see giant CV axles and front wheel drive....and torn axle boots. What a bear, the parts were huge, basically truck size parts.
My neighbor had a large barn that also included a cold storage for apples. Not used for many years and doors open. The floors completely covered in pigeon crap. About 4”.
Hi steve firth, Thanks for watching and writing. YES, the JoHan Toronado kits were / are works of art. Crisp, thin parts, extreme detail of the TH425 transaxle, the torsion bars and the body is perfectly proportioned. But there's a mystery! As you may know, JoHan was just one of many American model car kit makers in the day. A fierce rival was AMT. Well....AMT also issued an Olds Toronado model kit at the same time period. Guess what....the kit parts are nearly identical! The same tool makers and draftsmen undoubtedly conjured both kits. More likely, JoHan and AMT agreed to share the tooling and parts BUT with different box art and instruction sheet illustration graphics. As for the chromed steel wheels, yes they were rendered in 1/25 scale and appear in 1966 and 1967 Toronado kits from AMT and JoHan. The full-size wheel covers arrived in the 1970 version of the AMT and JoHan Toronado kits. The good news is that model builders can use either wheel design as they see fit (and assuming they have access to these now-rare kits). Getting back to those wheels, one intriguing detail is how the AMT and JoHan kits are SIMILAR but NOT IDENTICAL from a contents standpoint. I have several of both and can confirm that the parts trees are a little differently arrangd in certain spots and the "optional custom wheels" differ between the AMT and JoHan offerings! Maybe somebody said "we have to make the two kits at least a little different of some 10 year old kid or his Mom will discover our little sharing game". This same scenario played out with the 1971 AMC Javelin AMX kit and the 1968 - '70 Olds 4-4-2 kit. JoHan and certain AMT versions of these car kits reveal the same parts-sharing scheme between AMT and JoHan! Anyhoo, the mind boggles! Thanks again for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
That 4 carb'd corvair engine would actually be considered a "Corsa" engine. It was the standard engine on the second gen corvair with the high performance package called the Corsa. The Corsa was also available with the optional 180 HP turbocharged engine. On the first gen corvairs, the high performance package was call Spyder and the 150 HP turbo engine was the ONLY engine it came with. The Corsa option only was available in 1965 and 66. The 4 carb engine then became available as an option on the Monza, but the turbo engine was gone forever after 1966.
Yup, exactly how I was gunna comment about it, but ya beat me to it! No 140 engine for me, we all know how they love to drop valve seats, I'll stick with a ol reliable 110.
I live in sw Georgia farm country, lot's of barns here. The treasures I see peeking out of some of these barns, It's hard not to commit trespassing! Now I'm wondering, is there enough left in me, at 66, to restore myself another hot rod? Let's see, I'll need a bigger compressor.....Well...I am retired. I'm enjoying your "Barnyard crawl"! 👍
I remember the early 425 and 455 Toronados had six quart oil systems. Garages that advertised oil change prices, based their prices on five quart oil changes and would charge Toronado owners for an additional quart of oil. A lot of owners thought that the garages were being dishonest with the upcharge, often not believing their cars took an additional quart of oil.
Hi Steve, another great video of this Special Edition of the Junkyard Crawl's What's in the Olds Barn? Those 60s were must-have on the back of any muscle car or hot rod back in the day. Seems like that dust is getting to you, Steve or could be the bird poooo up in there 🤧 Super Shane needs some lights behind that camera a little hard to see up in there sometimes. I have a friend in Durham NC that has a 1955 Roadmaster 2 door hardtop 322 nailhead V8, dynaflow automatic, power windows, power locks, power seats, power steering, power brakes up for sale. He's asking a little too much in my opinion $5k The running gear has been rebuilt recently but the floors need some attention. Paint is decent you can drive it home if you like. I was telling him about the Big Ol' Olds Barn here on the Crawl and told me was gonna sell his Olds. I'm up really early today to catch the Crawl. It's 4am here in Colorado! That's right, Steve, I got a call yesterday that some friends here had tickets to a Billy Strings show at Red Rocks Amphitheatre, so I hopped a flight into Denver yesterday. Billy played last night and plays tonight. Tomorrow night, he plays in Denver. This is the start of his spring tour. I'll be back in Colorado in Sept when he plays at the Renewal Festival. Love Colorado when there's NO SNOW! Y'all have a blessed day 🤙🏼 Namaste 🙏🏼
Well, it’s not quite a barn find, but I noticed a new family moved in down the street from me and driving by when the garage door was open I saw the tail end of a well worn mid-70’s Camaro peeking out! Going to have to meander down there this weekend and see if the guy who owns it is around! Where I grew up, just about every mid-70’s Chevy 4x4 pickup seemed to have a set of those white “wagon wheel” rims with some nice RWL tires! For whatever reason, those wheels just seemed to work perfect with lifted regular cab/long box square body trucks…….👍
A few drag racers back in the day (late 1960s) took advantage of the negative offset on swapped rear ends on gassers. From memories of peering through pictures, the offset allowed a few low budget guys to get away with not narrowing the swapped BOP (?) rear axles that went under narrower Willys or Anglia bodies.
Bravo Steve and Super Shane!! Excellent job all around. Amazing collection of all things Olds. Watching this makes me wish I kept my Mom’s 1968 Cutlass Supreme.
Watching this 😳? You didn't already miss it? Those , and many other classic American muscle cars turned out to be a better investment than gold bullion.
@@lilmike2710 Sorry Kiddo. GOLD Is Going For Over $2K PER OUNCE. A Rusted Out, Beat Up, Worn Out Old Oldsmobile Would Be Waiting To Go To The Crusher In My Area. NOBODY Wants An Old Gas Guzzling HEAP That Would Take THOUSANDS To Restore, Take Up A Garage Stall, And Hardly Worth Looking At During A Car Show. People Don't Drive Them Very Much Because The Can't Afford The GAS They Swallow...
@@davemckolanis4683 You have a point but lets agree that the old '68 Road Runners seen blowing donuts in high school parking lots in 1979 are now worth a BUNCH - at least the ones that survived. True, GOLD is the pinnacle investment (along with real estate). But I dare say that traditional Wall Street stocks fall FAR behind the return that's possible from INTELLIGENT investing in older cars and trucks. Best of all, if the economy dips and the car loses "half its value" over night, the WHOLE CAR IS STILL THERE no matter what. Stocks that crash take years to recover. My grandfather and father "invested wisely" in stuff like Eastman-Kodak, General Motors, Westinghouse, the "blue chip" stocks. Well if they had listened to ME back in the 1980's and snapped up the many muscle cars that could be had for under $5,000 (including a particular $3,500 '70 Superbird I BEGGED my Dad to buy), there would be close to a million bucks in the bank. Sure lots of "Monday Morning quarterback" action here, but I am NOT sold on Wall Street. I'll take a clean '87 IROC-Z 5.7 purchased for $12,000 as a DOUBLE YOUR MONEY investment in the next 5 years. Watch and see! Also with gold and other "precious metals" the BROKER is the guy who makes the short term bucks. You'd need to buy pounds of gold to really move the needle. Anyhoo, Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante I've MATURED WAY Beyond That Kids Stuff Of Beating Up Cars, Doing Burn Outs And Hearing Noisey Exhaust Racket. I've Likely Done MORE Hands On Actual PHYSICAL WORK As A Heavy Truck Mechanic During My Employed Career Than You Have. And Have Been Visiting Junk Yards For Parts To Repair My 20-Year+ Cars To Keep Them Cobbled Together When I Was Much Poorer. Probably Before You We're Even Born. The People That Listen To Your Magazine Explanations, Probably Haven't Done, (And Have No Idea), What An Actual Days Work IN THEIR LIFE Actually IS. Sitting At Their Computer Screens Like Drones. The Rotting Junks And Stripped Wrecks That You Talk About We're Common Cars When I Was Younger. I Just Finished RESTORING And Upgrading A 1950 Mercury A Few Years Ago, And Am WAY BEYOND Your JUVENILE Stage And Have Moved On To Other MORE IMPORTANT Matters In Life. Perhaps You Should Start Concerning Yourself With Investments And A Retirement Nest Egg, So You Have NO WORRIES About Money When You Reach My Age. And Can Have Your Houses Sided, New Roofs Installed, And Driveways Paved, Paying CASH For EVERYTHING With NO Debts Or Payments FOR ANYTHING. Crawling Around Dirt In Barns And In Junkyards With Snakes As You Open A Hood Or Car Door Is Kids Stuff. And You Better Check Again About Your Car Values. NOT THE JUNK WRECKS You Talk About. Those Are Higher ASKING PRICES That Some Collectors Want For Them. And The Sellers And Auctions Have Lots OF THEM NOT MOVING. OR, Multi Millionaires Paying Stupidly High Prices For Them. Go To Classic Car Auctions And See If The Value Comparisons Are Justifiable. DO The Price Comparison From Date Of Manufacture To The Equal Dollar Value Today. A $2K Price Car Back Then, Might Be $25K Now, However The Dollar VALUE Of The Car Remains The Same. And As An Investment Example, A $6K Putnam Fund That I Bought For Each Of My Boys In 1993, Is Now Worth At Least 12-TIMES MORE Than What I Invested Back Then. Cars DEPRECIATE In Value, And Is Solely Dependant Upon On How Interested A Buyer Happens To Be. Where As GOOD Properties Keep APPRECIATING In Value Regardless...
Steve ,going into barns and out buildings is a great way to uncover a lot of automotive treasure. They have long been the storage area of The Good Stuff! You should wear gloves when handling anything with guano Its nasty We would hate to see you get sick ,how would we get our daily Junkyard Crawl!
I really enjoy your Junkyard Crawl series and look forward to each day's newest installment. That being said (to quote your favorite phrase 😂), I still catch you out in the odd error every now and then. Today, it was the Corvair engine. It was never referred to as the "Monza Engine". In fact, it only came standard in the 1965 and 1966 Corsa models. It was referred to as the "140", a reference to its gross horsepower rating. Meanwhile, the turbo to which you referred was standard in the Monza Spyder from 1962 through 1964 (150 h.p.) and optional in the Corsa in '65 and '66 (180 h.p.) The 140 was optional in the 500 and Monza from 1965 through the end of production in 1969. No offense meant in this or any other correction that I might send your way in the future (like referring to "foot pounds of torque" when you mean "pound feet". It's a technical physics thing that I really don't understand 🤔). Seriously, I'm pretty sure that you've probably forgotten more about cars than I've ever known! Keep up the good - and very interesting - work.
interesting note on the Toronado. even though being front wheel drive the engine didn t go "sideways " like modern front drive cars ,resulting in an extremely long hood
Good point. The French Renault were North South but front wheel drive. Nowadays the Mercedes Vito van has had East West and North South rear wheel drive and front wheel drive and four wheel drive all in the same model range!
The hood wasn't that long because of the layout, so much. Because the engine was mostly on top of the trans. It was extra long because Amurrca! There's a shitton of wasted space under the hoods of these cars.
Hi Steve, good video! The tire that you profiled is the B.F. Goodrich 990 Radial. The Corviar engine that you profiled with the four single barrel carburetor(s) is from a Corviar Spyder or a Corviar Corsa which was a performance package that included the Monza trim package. The cast iron transmission case that you profiled is either a BorgWarner or a Ford FMX automatic transmission.
I had always thought the deep offset of the Tornado rims was to get "centerpoint" steering, like 60's and 70's semi trucks. That would get the kingpin or line through the ball joints inside the tread, making it turn easier, with less front to back swing of the tire.
Very cool video Magneto while we look at those engines, those first generation Oldsmobile v8s and think wow, that thing must have been like insanely heavy at the time they were touted as being a lighter weight. V8 short stroke, larger bore, and in comparison to what came before them very thoroughly modern, although nowadays they look very antiquated, but I can definitely appreciate them. Even with that extended bellhousing, that's cast into the block. What I love about those older cars though and trucks is that manufacturers back then weren't so afraid to take a chance and run with it taking opportunity to build something different that would have a dramatic effect on the market or sometimes not so dramatic effect. Really love the channel. Keep up the great work
I bought a 1966 Toronado off a budget car lot in Phoenix AZ on Van Buren road in the early 1980s.. That car had the semi-rare factory chrome wheels on it. The one transmission is not a Dyna Flo... Its a Rotor Hydramatic , likely a model 10
1. That dash is from a '61. 2. That trans is a Roto-Hydramatic [Slim-Jim]. It was in production 1961-64 on all full-size Olds and smaller Pontiacs [Catalina/Grand Prix].
i was @ the cord Duesenberg museum, older fellow there told us that engineers from OLDS came down and looked over the front wheel drive i believe the CORD and basically the TORONADO was design after this drive train, tyey sure were a great car.
As usual, your presentation is outstanding. I found the comparison of early Olds, Pontiac and Chevy heads interesting. I wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference except for maybe the SBC head unless they were blatantly stamped with the MFG name. Before the corporate engines became the standard with GM, we must remember that Ford and Chrysler more or less simply gave the Mercury, Lincoln, Chrysler, etc marques the same corporate design with 20 or so cubic inches added. I know that’s an oversimplification, but GM divisions really did have a lot of self identity.
GM was like the company I retired from (Caterpillar Inc. ) they had totally separate design teams for the various divisions and manufacturing would give them each the basic specifications and turn them loose that's why the V8 engines of the divisions varied so much. The theory was it drove innovation, which it did but it also created a lot of waste in the end. I worked in the quality verification department that was separate from manufacturing 20 years ago so I got to see what everyone was working on because we had to design tooling and CMM programs to check what they were developing.
Letters on cylinder head was to I'd the cc of the chambers, valve size. C heads I guess were what you wanted far as stock casting. Intake manifold weights the same as the block lol
Steve I wonder why a Machine shop , never figured a way to cut the back of the olds bell housing length, And machine for a smaller bell housing, I,m sure it could be done, There,s also ,I bet there,s some great small block Chevy heads in that collection, Sad part is everyone has gotten away of the old style for LS heads, Not to say if your good at Porting you can come up with some good flow Numbers, My 69 corvette heads 435 hp, after I ported, added over a 100hp to my blower motor. Great Video Steve like always keep them coming.
I know the early Chrysler Hemi blocks - with those same extensions - can be sliced but a common problem is how the metal surface that's revealed after shaving away the bell may not have the needed bosses and thickness to securely attach a bell housing or automatic transmission. Usually a thick aluminum spacer / adapter helps but it could be the Olds block suffers from "no-meat-itis" once the half foot extension is removed. I'm guessing here. But again, as the 1950's progressed and the Olds V8 lost that extension, most probably turned their backs on the hassle of the early block. Just my guess. But for a restoration of period correct 1949 hot rod, these blocks are essential. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
Great video sir. I still get a laugh when people call it the Front Pump. In reality it just called a pump. Aluminum Powerglides had a rear pump to aid in push starting the vehicle. I’m assuming this where the term Front Pump originated. Good day to all. Greetings from Reynosa, Mexico.
I believe that Chevy had trouble with the aluminum blocks and had to go with cast iron for the Corvair. The extra weight in the back altered the handling characteristics and was the first of it's woes. Chevy had similar problems with an aluminum head for the 1960 Corvette; and with various aluminum wheels.
Hi Ron, Chevy didn't use iron for the Corvair blocks but correct, as you state the engine was hefty and delivered an undesirable pendulum effect with so much mass hanging off the tail. The VW Beetle and Porsche also had rear engines - and swing axles - at this same time. So why didn't the VW and 356 suffer from tail-happy handling? Their engines were much lighter FOUR cylinders. Less mass, less pendulum. Ralph Nader made a small fortune over the fact Chevy added two cylinders to the VW concept - just a little too much weight and the delicate balance was lost....at least until the 1965 double-jointed half-shafts arrived and the dreaded swing-axle-tire-tuck-under was solved. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
'62 Olds had a really unique speedometer. Linear bar, not a conventional needle. First gear it was green. Second gear it was yellow. Third grear it was red.
Unless you are a gorilla, being a forklift or hoist to get the engine block or blocks of your choice. Out of an abundance of caution, look for cracks. Thanks for this in-depth look at Detroit iron from the Fifties. How times have changed.
I love the look of the bias ply tires as well SteveO. I have a '65 AMC Ambassador with MAD DAWG tires on it. They give the car a real mean stance. But they don't handle worth shit.
Hey Steve, you told me in an email a while back that you filmed a corvair stash for an upcoming mini series. That was a long time ago...is this still in the works? I am a huge corvair fan and would really enjoy that...
Hello xfactor automotive, that was part of the Paul Crosier Vermont Car Stash. Yes, we spent 5 days at Crosier's Vermont stash shooting a BUNCH of Junkyard Crawl videos. Well, an entire day's worth of videos (9 in all) were LOST to a corrupted file transfer! YES, five of them were Corvair videos including a Turbo Convertible, a walk-through van and TWO entire videos wherein I read from the 1966 GM Courtroom Deposition over Corvair safety while Super Shane wanders around a row of 30 Corvairs while I read the GM testimony. GRRRRR. Yes, we will go back and re-shoot all of this soon. But in the meantime, tomorrow's Junkyard Crawl / OLDS Red Barn video will be EPIC. Spoiler alert....J2 Convertible!!! Please tune in tomorrow! Thanks again for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
I have to throw credit where it's deserved. Pontiac was the innovator with rockers on studs. From what I read years ago, Pontiac started engineering their V8 in about 1950. Chevy didn't start engineering the small block until about 1953. The story goes that Olds and Cadillac engineered their OHV V8's first, right after the war, then Buick got the go ahead in about 1948. Pontiac got the greenlight in 1950 but GM held Chevy back as the "Economy" brand to be the last. The story I read said that Chevy was just penciling in the basics for a radical new engine that eventually become the short lived W motors. But with the introduction of the Corvette and people clamoring for a V8 plus Ford introducing it's new OHV V8 in late '53 pushed Chevrolet to do something as a stop gap. So they rushed the small block through engineering and into production. GM corporate heads told Chevy engineers to visit the Pontiac engineers and see all of the great cost saving ideas they were incorporating into their new V8 and to speed up the engineering process. So that is why the Pontiac V8 and the small block Chevy are so similar in engineering design. If that story is true then it is as big a hit as Guns and Roses writing "Sweet Child O' Mine" in 5 minutes!!!(Which is the true story behind the song) I'm not sure as to how valid the entire story about the small block Chevy is, I read it in an article in HPP magazine in the '90's, but I do think Pontiac is generally credited with the stamped steel, ball, stud rocker system by most car buys. You either love it or you hate it but it did make things simpler and has been reused for countless engines since.
I've heard that story too and agree that it is probably true. Harry Barr was one of the chief designers of the Chevy 265. I'd bet there is an SAE White Paper from 1954 or 1955 outlining the behind-the-scenes story on the Chevy small block. I read that Pontiac and Chevy were not certain the one-piece stamped steel rocker arms were going to be feasible / durable and just went for it. THAT gamble paid off nicely. And did you know that Chevy had a 288 cube push rod OHV V8 in 1918? Also, there was a dead-ended Chevy V8 program in the 1950 time frame. It was similar to the Kettering Olds / Cad OHV V8 and pretty heavy. It would NOT have been an instant legend. Only a couple pf pictures of this dead-end Chevy V8 exist. I read it was under 200 cubes! Google the topic if you want to see some neat stuff. Thanks for watching. And speaking of NEAT STUFF, tomorrow's OLDS Red Barn video is a MIND BENDER! Not to give it away, but can you say J2? -Steve Magnante
I've just shared this video with my friend that owns an old Corvair. He says the car is like new, but with a locked motor. He tells me it's locked on the bottom end. He said he's found several that he could buy but the sellers all seem to "know what they have." 🙄
I cant verify this off the top of my head BUT it all depends on whether the distributor drive gear is on the left - or right - side of the camshaft drive gear. Its that simple. Without looking at a Chevy and Olds block, if the distributor pokes up out of the same side of the block they probably turn the same way. But if one is on one side of the block center line and the other is on the other side of the block centerline, that's generally a sign of opposite rotation of the rotor. The wild card here could be how the teeth of the cam and distributor drive gears are cut. Maybe some marine engines mess up my argument. A fast way to check is to Google "Oldsmobile 394 distributor rotation" and then Google the same for the small block Chevy. Heck, in the 4 minutes it took me to type all of this I coulda done that for you. Anyhoo, Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
👍 😎 personally I can’t make rhyme or reason out of all that🤷♂️ has to be more to Warrens backstory, was this just his parts “shed” an was there a shop barn too on the property? Just curious 😳 ✌️🤙
As Warren's Son Mike tells me, Warren served in the Korean Conflict and while there as a young man had a dream to set up a home in the country with a family, nice house and a big barn to fill with his passion...Oldsmobiles and Ford pickups. He returned from Korea and made it all happen. His livelihood was running an automotive service station in Springfield, MA but when he was home in Palmer he played with and rebuilt his beloved Oldsmobiles...collecting all this treasure in the process. Years pass, we all age and - eventually - pass on. Today Warren's Son Mike has a deep respect and appreciation for his late Dad's collection and is hoping these videos help the items to find new homes. Fear not, there is no "doomsday clock" ticking away before some bulldozer moves in. But all the same, sooner is better than later when it comes to clearing out a life long collection of Oldsmobile parts so they get back into circulation. And here's a hint at tomorrow's OLDS Red Barn video....J2 Convertible Discovery!!!!! Please tune in! -Steve Magnante
I gotta admire a man who can just muck around in owl and pigeon poop without flinching!😂
Holy crap your right!
I was thinking the same thing.
Makes one wonder about correlation between this and the illness that has knocked him out of action! 🙁
No wonder Steve is sick touching all that bird shit covered stuff. He sounds like he has a respiratory illness from breathing in bacteria from that stuff. You should have at a minimum a N95 type mask and disposable gloves to be in there, and hand sanitizer when you get out. Get well soon Steve.
Now that is dedication! Steve is willing to go to great lengths for us. Handling those heads covered in bird poop! I hope he had some hand sanitizer close by.
Bird Poop! Your dedication to your craft is commendable, no face mask, no gloves, no coveralls!
Dash is a 1961 Olds 98. The 3 oval pods and waterfall effect were a 61 only. What a great house of history.
Yep! '61.
Full of Olds & Ends
😂😂😂😂
A real gold mine for olds lovers
Those big block Ford engines and heads are getting harder to find too.
Great finds in this "hidden museum" LOADED with history! Thanks for video documenting this knowledge before it is lost.
The best is YET TO COME! Really! Tomorrow we will show an AMAZING barn find discovery! Spoiler alert....J2!!! Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
I think your postings are so much better than anything the Velocity channel has to offer.
I definitely agree with you on this one!
Same
I was never a good student in auto shop but I learn more from Steve in these videos than I did in class.
Same I learn a lot watching Steve
Steve is a walking encyclopedia , a wealth of automotive information 👍
Hey Steve and Super Shane - thanks for the hard work! It's appreciated.
I hope the family receives some sales from this video. One mans' life's collection in a broken old barn.
At 3:57; If I remember correctly that's a "Corsa" 4 carb (140hp) engine, not to be confused with a "Corsa" Turbo (180hp) engine, versus a "Monza" 2 carb (110hp) engine head seen at 4:35. ;-)
I love surprises from an old abandoned barn! There’s always treasures to be discovered!! Great video Steve!
Morning Steve you look like a kid in a candy store in that barn keep it up Peace
You are the master of Olds barn find education Steve!!! Great video work also Super Shane!!!!
Nice job Steve. Always fun to watch.
Steve loves cars and parts! He digs right into the chicken shit to make his point.
Those bug Oldsmobile cars were real luxo cars just floated down rhe road, great video thumbs up
Thanks for the great commentary on weight and 'gas guzzlers'. Loved them to death! Always had V8s. Name a badge, I've owned one or two. Big 850 double pumpers. Gosh it was great. When your dad owns a Sunoco station. Then 1969 came and we got schooled on our decadent behavior. Saw the damage, tried to fix it. Marketing took over and we slipped into the doldrums. Now we have small motors (ones you can afford), making all kinds of hp but out of breath. Burning more gas than ever. This barn find is a treasure for someone like Steve, who has all the knowledge. I got schooled big time as always.
Cool find bud . Love the Old(s )Style of the lead sleds .
The offset on the Toronado wheels was to get the correct steering geometry to combat torque steer. Traditional front end geometry at that time had large positive scrub radius - the steering axis intersects the ground well inboard of the center of the tire contact patch. With front wheel drive, that puts torque reactions into the steering - the steering axis has to be close to the center of the tire contact patch to combat this. Pushing the ball joints outboard pushes the brakes outboard, and with drum brakes, there was no nesting calipers between ball joints and steering arms as is done with disks, the whole brake has to be outboard of all the ball joints and steering. And that's why those wheels look like that!
The Big Olds Barn is Badass! Keep up the good work Steve it's awesome! What a great Friday morning adventure!❤
That barn would be nice if it were fixed up and cleaned up. It looks like it has a lot of room and is very "commodious" to use your terms. Yes, Olds cylinder head are often ID'd by the letters on them and casting numbers. Some are better than others.
Partially correct. Congress enacted CAFE rules in 1975, but they didn't take affect until the 1978 model year. I spot a 1984 era Olds RWD wheel cover in the background when you were talking about the Toronado brake drum. Yes, it's likely Dayco, Gates, or Goodyear was the OEM belt supplier to GM.
It's funny you say, "There's no radiator on a Corvair". I worked with a woman and she asked me to check a repair bill for her car to see if it was reasonable. I said, "Sure, no problem". I told her, "No, he's not being honest. There's double-dip charges here and made up parts". She said, "Well, he's honest". (I knew this was going to go nowhere). I said, "So honest that he's double charging you to change the belts and he's replacing a fuel filter that does not exist. This vehicle doesn't have a serviceable fuel filter and I really doubt he's pulling the sending unit out of the tank to service it, because the part numbers don't match. This bill is loaded with about $300 in fat".
She still thought he was honest and I bowed out and let her go her way. She left the job soon thereafter and transferred elsewhere. Nice person, but when someone has something in their head and believes in someone, you're not going to convince them that they aren't the best thing since canned beer or air travel.
Hello Google User GP, your story reminds me of a TV show pilot project I was involved in way back when with the Speed Channel. It was about 2005 and Speed Channel was looking to diversify from only-race-coverage to some additional general interest car shows. One idea I pitched was to "fake / stage" certain automotive problems on a car then take said car to Los Angeles area mechanic shops to see if they tried to take advantage of the situation with "padding" as you state. We did a "pilot" wherein we worked with an informed mechanic who was in on the concept just to assure we could "sell" the overall idea to Speed Channel decision makers. We offered tips like putting a secret mark on your old parts to see if they were just left in place, marking tires before a tire rotation process to see if they really did the work, intentionally loosening certain plugs to see if the shop tried to up-sell us on "thread repair work" and that sort of stuff. The show pilot was produced by McKenna-Gottlieb Productions (of Bill Nye The Science Guy fame) but Speed Channel passed on the offering. I also "pitched" them a junkyard treasure hunt show but they said "OUR" viewers aren't interested in old junk cars". Instead they went with shows like Unique Whips. Hoo-boy! NO senor! Anyhoo, Thanks for watching and writing and offering your expert commentary and unflinching Pass / Fail assessment of the presentation. I do appreciate it and its good "quality control" for me to slow the heck down as I do these videos so as to TRY not to mis-speak in the heat of the battle between my ears. Thanks again. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Sometimes you have to do research and look things up and really get into it. Otherwise, you do not sound intelligent when you speak (I'm talking about everyone in general). I recently had to help my uncle with a low tire condition on his Honda Civic. Now most cars, you correct the low air condition and the TPMS "self recognizes" the fix and you're good to go. Nope, not Honda. You have to reset the TPMS through the menu on the dashboard. The owner's manual makes an allusion to it, but no real clear procedure. But, You Tube has you covered. I watched an eight year old YT video and Bob's your uncle, good to go. In fact, I just replaced the battery on the car this morning for him. LOL.
@7:22 "Who cared, gas was $0.30 a gallon." Yes, it was but if one runs the numbers for someone driving 10K per year at 10 mpg and divide that by the average income in 1962 of $4,200 you get about 7% of their income being spent on gasoline. Today with an average income around $58,000, calling gas $3.00 per gallon, getting an average 20 mpg and driving the same 10k per year it works out to about 2.6% of a persons income. Even if we call gas at $4.00 per gallon it works out to about 3.5%. So, relatively speaking, gas was a bigger part of our spending than it is today. In 1963 I was making $2,25 an hour ($90 per week) as an apprentice union carpenter and that $8 - $10 bucks a week for gas really cut into the beer fund.
Love this “Twist” I enjoy all the adventures you take us on
What a great collection of stuff! Someone needs to rescue all that and get it back into circulation. I am sure that many people are looking for those parts.
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My ex boss built an old tornado mutation with a 89 Chevy truck 2wd.
Front wheel drive truck looked a tad lowered and the tornado wheels with the Chevy truck center caps . It would do burn outs like John force whenever you matted it
I knew a guy that put together the "double ended Toronado" from two Oldsmobile Toronado fronts. He said, "You'll never know if it's coming or going".
Steve, thanks so much for posting these videos. I'm so glad you talked about those McCREARYS. I always loved that flat tread design.
I remember the first time I worked on a Toronado as a young mechanic. I was amazed to see giant CV axles and front wheel drive....and torn axle boots. What a bear, the parts were huge, basically truck size parts.
The pigeons love that barn.
My neighbor had a large barn that also included a cold storage for apples. Not used for many years and doors open. The floors completely covered in pigeon crap. About 4”.
I can't remember if that JoHan kit came with the wheel covers in the box but I'm still floored by how great it builds up.
Hi steve firth, Thanks for watching and writing. YES, the JoHan Toronado kits were / are works of art. Crisp, thin parts, extreme detail of the TH425 transaxle, the torsion bars and the body is perfectly proportioned. But there's a mystery! As you may know, JoHan was just one of many American model car kit makers in the day. A fierce rival was AMT. Well....AMT also issued an Olds Toronado model kit at the same time period. Guess what....the kit parts are nearly identical! The same tool makers and draftsmen undoubtedly conjured both kits. More likely, JoHan and AMT agreed to share the tooling and parts BUT with different box art and instruction sheet illustration graphics. As for the chromed steel wheels, yes they were rendered in 1/25 scale and appear in 1966 and 1967 Toronado kits from AMT and JoHan. The full-size wheel covers arrived in the 1970 version of the AMT and JoHan Toronado kits. The good news is that model builders can use either wheel design as they see fit (and assuming they have access to these now-rare kits). Getting back to those wheels, one intriguing detail is how the AMT and JoHan kits are SIMILAR but NOT IDENTICAL from a contents standpoint. I have several of both and can confirm that the parts trees are a little differently arrangd in certain spots and the "optional custom wheels" differ between the AMT and JoHan offerings! Maybe somebody said "we have to make the two kits at least a little different of some 10 year old kid or his Mom will discover our little sharing game". This same scenario played out with the 1971 AMC Javelin AMX kit and the 1968 - '70 Olds 4-4-2 kit. JoHan and certain AMT versions of these car kits reveal the same parts-sharing scheme between AMT and JoHan! Anyhoo, the mind boggles! Thanks again for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante hopefully one Round 2 could see to reissue if the tooling is still around. Have a great day.
An auto junkyard is something we ignore unless you’re with Steve, then a visit to the junkyard becomes a real education.
That 4 carb'd corvair engine would actually be considered a "Corsa" engine. It was the standard engine on the second gen corvair with the high performance package called the Corsa. The Corsa was also available with the optional 180 HP turbocharged engine. On the first gen corvairs, the high performance package was call Spyder and the 150 HP turbo engine was the ONLY engine it came with. The Corsa option only was available in 1965 and 66. The 4 carb engine then became available as an option on the Monza, but the turbo engine was gone forever after 1966.
Yup, exactly how I was gunna comment about it, but ya beat me to it! No 140 engine for me, we all know how they love to drop valve seats, I'll stick with a ol reliable 110.
@@WildBill236 I have a fix for the 140 swallowing valve seats. Haven't dropped one on any of my 140's in years!
I live in sw Georgia farm country, lot's of barns here. The treasures I see peeking out of some of these barns, It's hard not to commit trespassing! Now I'm wondering, is there enough left in me, at 66, to restore myself another hot rod? Let's see, I'll need a bigger compressor.....Well...I am retired. I'm enjoying your "Barnyard crawl"! 👍
I remember the early 425 and 455 Toronados had six quart oil systems. Garages that advertised oil change prices, based their prices on five quart oil changes and would charge Toronado owners for an additional quart of oil. A lot of owners thought that the garages were being dishonest with the upcharge, often not believing their cars took an additional quart of oil.
No quitting Mr. Super Shane. Well alright all good things
Hi Steve, another great video of this Special Edition of the Junkyard Crawl's What's in the Olds Barn? Those 60s were must-have on the back of any muscle car or hot rod back in the day. Seems like that dust is getting to you, Steve or could be the bird poooo up in there 🤧 Super Shane needs some lights behind that camera a little hard to see up in there sometimes. I have a friend in Durham NC that has a 1955 Roadmaster 2 door hardtop 322 nailhead V8, dynaflow automatic, power windows, power locks, power seats, power steering, power brakes up for sale. He's asking a little too much in my opinion $5k The running gear has been rebuilt recently but the floors need some attention. Paint is decent you can drive it home if you like. I was telling him about the Big Ol' Olds Barn here on the Crawl and told me was gonna sell his Olds. I'm up really early today to catch the Crawl. It's 4am here in Colorado! That's right, Steve, I got a call yesterday that some friends here had tickets to a Billy Strings show at Red Rocks Amphitheatre, so I hopped a flight into Denver yesterday. Billy played last night and plays tonight. Tomorrow night, he plays in Denver. This is the start of his spring tour. I'll be back in Colorado in Sept when he plays at the Renewal Festival. Love Colorado when there's NO SNOW! Y'all have a blessed day 🤙🏼 Namaste 🙏🏼
Excellent video Steve! 👍👍💯🇺🇸
Well, it’s not quite a barn find, but I noticed a new family moved in down the street from me and driving by when the garage door was open I saw the tail end of a well worn mid-70’s Camaro peeking out! Going to have to meander down there this weekend and see if the guy who owns it is around!
Where I grew up, just about every mid-70’s Chevy 4x4 pickup seemed to have a set of those white “wagon wheel” rims with some nice RWL tires! For whatever reason, those wheels just seemed to work perfect with lifted regular cab/long box square body trucks…….👍
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R.I.P. Warren. You had quite a collection.
A few drag racers back in the day (late 1960s) took advantage of the negative offset on swapped rear ends on gassers. From memories of peering through pictures, the offset allowed a few low budget guys to get away with not narrowing the swapped BOP (?) rear axles that went under narrower Willys or Anglia bodies.
Bravo Steve and Super Shane!! Excellent job all around. Amazing collection of all things Olds. Watching this makes me wish I kept my Mom’s 1968 Cutlass Supreme.
Watching this 😳? You didn't already miss it? Those , and many other classic American muscle cars turned out to be a better investment than gold bullion.
@@lilmike2710 Sorry Kiddo. GOLD Is Going For Over $2K PER OUNCE. A Rusted Out, Beat Up, Worn Out Old Oldsmobile Would Be Waiting To Go To The Crusher In My Area. NOBODY Wants An Old Gas Guzzling HEAP That Would Take THOUSANDS To Restore, Take Up A Garage Stall, And Hardly Worth Looking At During A Car Show. People Don't Drive Them Very Much Because The Can't Afford The GAS They Swallow...
@@davemckolanis4683 You have a point but lets agree that the old '68 Road Runners seen blowing donuts in high school parking lots in 1979 are now worth a BUNCH - at least the ones that survived. True, GOLD is the pinnacle investment (along with real estate). But I dare say that traditional Wall Street stocks fall FAR behind the return that's possible from INTELLIGENT investing in older cars and trucks. Best of all, if the economy dips and the car loses "half its value" over night, the WHOLE CAR IS STILL THERE no matter what. Stocks that crash take years to recover. My grandfather and father "invested wisely" in stuff like Eastman-Kodak, General Motors, Westinghouse, the "blue chip" stocks. Well if they had listened to ME back in the 1980's and snapped up the many muscle cars that could be had for under $5,000 (including a particular $3,500 '70 Superbird I BEGGED my Dad to buy), there would be close to a million bucks in the bank. Sure lots of "Monday Morning quarterback" action here, but I am NOT sold on Wall Street. I'll take a clean '87 IROC-Z 5.7 purchased for $12,000 as a DOUBLE YOUR MONEY investment in the next 5 years. Watch and see! Also with gold and other "precious metals" the BROKER is the guy who makes the short term bucks. You'd need to buy pounds of gold to really move the needle. Anyhoo, Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
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@@SteveMagnante I've MATURED WAY Beyond That Kids Stuff Of Beating Up Cars, Doing Burn Outs And Hearing Noisey Exhaust Racket. I've Likely Done MORE Hands On Actual PHYSICAL WORK As A Heavy Truck Mechanic During My Employed Career Than You Have. And Have Been Visiting Junk Yards For Parts To Repair My 20-Year+ Cars To Keep Them Cobbled Together When I Was Much Poorer. Probably Before You We're Even Born. The People That Listen To Your Magazine Explanations, Probably Haven't Done, (And Have No Idea), What An Actual Days Work IN THEIR LIFE Actually IS. Sitting At Their Computer Screens Like Drones. The Rotting Junks And Stripped Wrecks That You Talk About We're Common Cars When I Was Younger. I Just Finished RESTORING And Upgrading A 1950 Mercury A Few Years Ago, And Am WAY BEYOND Your JUVENILE Stage And Have Moved On To Other MORE IMPORTANT Matters In Life. Perhaps You Should Start Concerning Yourself With Investments And A Retirement Nest Egg, So You Have NO WORRIES About Money When You Reach My Age. And Can Have Your Houses Sided, New Roofs Installed, And Driveways Paved, Paying CASH For EVERYTHING With NO Debts Or Payments FOR ANYTHING. Crawling Around Dirt In Barns And In Junkyards With Snakes As You Open A Hood Or Car Door Is Kids Stuff. And You Better Check Again About Your Car Values. NOT THE JUNK WRECKS You Talk About. Those Are Higher ASKING PRICES That Some Collectors Want For Them. And The Sellers And Auctions Have Lots OF THEM NOT MOVING. OR, Multi Millionaires Paying Stupidly High Prices For Them. Go To Classic Car Auctions And See If The Value Comparisons Are Justifiable. DO The Price Comparison From Date Of Manufacture To The Equal Dollar Value Today. A $2K Price Car Back Then, Might Be $25K Now, However The Dollar VALUE Of The Car Remains The Same. And As An Investment Example, A $6K Putnam Fund That I Bought For Each Of My Boys In 1993, Is Now Worth At Least 12-TIMES MORE Than What I Invested Back Then. Cars DEPRECIATE In Value, And Is Solely Dependant Upon On How Interested A Buyer Happens To Be. Where As GOOD Properties Keep APPRECIATING In Value Regardless...
Steve ,going into barns and out buildings is a great way to uncover a lot of automotive treasure. They have long been the storage area of The Good Stuff! You should wear gloves when handling anything with guano Its nasty We would hate to see you get sick ,how would we get our daily Junkyard Crawl!
I really enjoy your Junkyard Crawl series and look forward to each day's newest installment. That being said (to quote your favorite phrase 😂), I still catch you out in the odd error every now and then. Today, it was the Corvair engine. It was never referred to as the "Monza Engine". In fact, it only came standard in the 1965 and 1966 Corsa models. It was referred to as the "140", a reference to its gross horsepower rating. Meanwhile, the turbo to which you referred was standard in the Monza Spyder from 1962 through 1964 (150 h.p.) and optional in the Corsa in '65 and '66 (180 h.p.) The 140 was optional in the 500 and Monza from 1965 through the end of production in 1969. No offense meant in this or any other correction that I might send your way in the future (like referring to "foot pounds of torque" when you mean "pound feet". It's a technical physics thing that I really don't understand 🤔). Seriously, I'm pretty sure that you've probably forgotten more about cars than I've ever known! Keep up the good - and very interesting - work.
Mr. Magnet, thank you for all your videos, always very informative. (I piggyback on your knowledge to impress my friends).😊
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I am amazed what you know Steve I love your videos keep up the good work
interesting note on the Toronado. even though being front wheel drive the engine didn t go "sideways " like modern front drive cars ,resulting in an extremely long hood
Good point. The French Renault were North South but front wheel drive. Nowadays the Mercedes Vito van has had East West and North South rear wheel drive and front wheel drive and four wheel drive all in the same model range!
The hood wasn't that long because of the layout, so much. Because the engine was mostly on top of the trans.
It was extra long because Amurrca! There's a shitton of wasted space under the hoods of these cars.
Neat video Steve
Hi Steve, good video! The tire that you profiled is the B.F. Goodrich 990 Radial. The Corviar engine that you profiled with the four single barrel carburetor(s) is from a Corviar Spyder or a Corviar Corsa which was a performance package that included the Monza trim package. The cast iron transmission case that you profiled is either a BorgWarner or a Ford FMX automatic transmission.
Rock On Steve! Cool Show .
I had always thought the deep offset of the Tornado rims was to get "centerpoint" steering, like 60's and 70's semi trucks. That would get the kingpin or line through the ball joints inside the tread, making it turn easier, with less front to back swing of the tire.
You're the King, Steve! Great content as always
Very cool video Magneto while we look at those engines, those first generation Oldsmobile v8s and think wow, that thing must have been like insanely heavy at the time they were touted as being a lighter weight. V8 short stroke, larger bore, and in comparison to what came before them very thoroughly modern, although nowadays they look very antiquated, but I can definitely appreciate them. Even with that extended bellhousing, that's cast into the block. What I love about those older cars though and trucks is that manufacturers back then weren't so afraid to take a chance and run with it taking opportunity to build something different that would have a dramatic effect on the market or sometimes not so dramatic effect. Really love the channel. Keep up the great work
4:00 I thought that only Corsa's had 4 carbs?
really nice guy, i met him in real life he even gave me a shirt and an autograph
I bought a 1966 Toronado off a budget car lot in Phoenix AZ on Van Buren road in the early 1980s.. That car had the semi-rare factory chrome wheels on it. The one transmission is not a Dyna Flo... Its a Rotor Hydramatic , likely a model 10
1. That dash is from a '61.
2. That trans is a Roto-Hydramatic [Slim-Jim]. It was in production 1961-64 on all full-size Olds and smaller Pontiacs [Catalina/Grand Prix].
i was @ the cord Duesenberg museum, older fellow there told us that engineers from OLDS came down and looked over the front wheel drive i believe the CORD and basically the TORONADO was design after this drive train, tyey sure were a great car.
I'm a believer I got the f liner fever
Just look at all that stuff we made from earth.
As usual, your presentation is outstanding. I found the comparison of early Olds, Pontiac and Chevy heads interesting. I wouldn’t have been able to tell the difference except for maybe the SBC head unless they were blatantly stamped with the MFG name. Before the corporate engines became the standard with GM, we must remember that Ford and Chrysler more or less simply gave the Mercury, Lincoln, Chrysler, etc marques the same corporate design with 20 or so cubic inches added. I know that’s an oversimplification, but GM divisions really did have a lot of self identity.
Where are his cars? Hope to see them soon. Thanks Steve.
You'll enjoy tomorrow's video! Hint....J2 CONVERTIBLE!!!! Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Howdy Steve! Can't wait! Love the 50s,60s 70s Olds. Got 'Rocket Power' deep in my soul.
GM was like the company I retired from (Caterpillar Inc. ) they had totally separate design teams for the various divisions and manufacturing would give them each the basic specifications and turn them loose that's why the V8 engines of the divisions varied so much. The theory was it drove innovation, which it did but it also created a lot of waste in the end. I worked in the quality verification department that was separate from manufacturing 20 years ago so I got to see what everyone was working on because we had to design tooling and CMM programs to check what they were developing.
I too have an affinity for older tires. When I come across a polyglas GT with a chrome reverse my eyes light up.
Episode of My Classic Tire...
Letters on cylinder head was to I'd the cc of the chambers, valve size. C heads I guess were what you wanted far as stock casting. Intake manifold weights the same as the block lol
My first car was a 50 Olds Fastback. It was an ex Jr Stock dragcar. That cast iron 4 speed Hydromatic weighed as much as the engine.
Mom had a fully loaded blue '67. Came with finned wheelcovers (that did not like curbs).
Steve I wonder why a Machine shop , never figured a way to cut the back of the olds bell housing length, And machine for a smaller bell housing, I,m sure it could be done, There,s also ,I bet there,s some great small block Chevy heads in that collection, Sad part is everyone has gotten away of the old style for LS heads, Not to say if your good at Porting you can come up with some good flow Numbers, My 69 corvette heads 435 hp, after I ported, added over a 100hp to my blower motor. Great Video Steve like always keep them coming.
I know the early Chrysler Hemi blocks - with those same extensions - can be sliced but a common problem is how the metal surface that's revealed after shaving away the bell may not have the needed bosses and thickness to securely attach a bell housing or automatic transmission. Usually a thick aluminum spacer / adapter helps but it could be the Olds block suffers from "no-meat-itis" once the half foot extension is removed. I'm guessing here. But again, as the 1950's progressed and the Olds V8 lost that extension, most probably turned their backs on the hassle of the early block. Just my guess. But for a restoration of period correct 1949 hot rod, these blocks are essential. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
Great show! Blow your nose Steve!
Great video sir. I still get a laugh when people call it the Front Pump. In reality it just called a pump. Aluminum Powerglides had a rear pump to aid in push starting the vehicle. I’m assuming this where the term Front Pump originated. Good day to all. Greetings from Reynosa, Mexico.
I believe that Chevy had trouble with the aluminum blocks and had to go with cast iron for the Corvair.
The extra weight in the back altered the handling characteristics and was the first of it's woes.
Chevy had similar problems with an aluminum head for the 1960 Corvette; and with various aluminum wheels.
Hi Ron, Chevy didn't use iron for the Corvair blocks but correct, as you state the engine was hefty and delivered an undesirable pendulum effect with so much mass hanging off the tail. The VW Beetle and Porsche also had rear engines - and swing axles - at this same time. So why didn't the VW and 356 suffer from tail-happy handling? Their engines were much lighter FOUR cylinders. Less mass, less pendulum. Ralph Nader made a small fortune over the fact Chevy added two cylinders to the VW concept - just a little too much weight and the delicate balance was lost....at least until the 1965 double-jointed half-shafts arrived and the dreaded swing-axle-tire-tuck-under was solved. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Right. I was just remembering the articles from the time. Only the Cylinder jugs were cast iron.
'62 Olds had a really unique speedometer. Linear bar, not a conventional needle. First gear it was green. Second gear it was yellow. Third grear it was red.
I had a '62 Vauxhall with the same speedo design (GM)
I believe it's a '61 Olds dash.
Unless you are a gorilla, being a forklift or hoist to get the engine block or blocks of your choice. Out of an abundance of caution, look for cracks. Thanks for this in-depth look at Detroit iron from the Fifties. How times have changed.
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I love the look of the bias ply tires as well SteveO. I have a '65 AMC Ambassador with MAD DAWG tires on it. They give the car a real mean stance. But they don't handle worth shit.
Steve your a brotha from another motha
Cañ hardly wait to see the cars.
More cool stuff. Wide tires lay that rubber. Love the smell of burning rubber.
Tornado had a gs model their is one in Springfield ne
Yes the 1969 - '70 Toronado GT with the W32 Cold Air engine and 400 horsepower!
Hey Steve, you told me in an email a while back that you filmed a corvair stash for an upcoming mini series. That was a long time ago...is this still in the works? I am a huge corvair fan and would really enjoy that...
Hello xfactor automotive, that was part of the Paul Crosier Vermont Car Stash. Yes, we spent 5 days at Crosier's Vermont stash shooting a BUNCH of Junkyard Crawl videos. Well, an entire day's worth of videos (9 in all) were LOST to a corrupted file transfer! YES, five of them were Corvair videos including a Turbo Convertible, a walk-through van and TWO entire videos wherein I read from the 1966 GM Courtroom Deposition over Corvair safety while Super Shane wanders around a row of 30 Corvairs while I read the GM testimony. GRRRRR. Yes, we will go back and re-shoot all of this soon. But in the meantime, tomorrow's Junkyard Crawl / OLDS Red Barn video will be EPIC. Spoiler alert....J2 Convertible!!! Please tune in tomorrow! Thanks again for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
I have to throw credit where it's deserved. Pontiac was the innovator with rockers on studs. From what I read years ago, Pontiac started engineering their V8 in about 1950. Chevy didn't start engineering the small block until about 1953. The story goes that Olds and Cadillac engineered their OHV V8's first, right after the war, then Buick got the go ahead in about 1948. Pontiac got the greenlight in 1950 but GM held Chevy back as the "Economy" brand to be the last. The story I read said that Chevy was just penciling in the basics for a radical new engine that eventually become the short lived W motors. But with the introduction of the Corvette and people clamoring for a V8 plus Ford introducing it's new OHV V8 in late '53 pushed Chevrolet to do something as a stop gap. So they rushed the small block through engineering and into production. GM corporate heads told Chevy engineers to visit the Pontiac engineers and see all of the great cost saving ideas they were incorporating into their new V8 and to speed up the engineering process. So that is why the Pontiac V8 and the small block Chevy are so similar in engineering design. If that story is true then it is as big a hit as Guns and Roses writing "Sweet Child O' Mine" in 5 minutes!!!(Which is the true story behind the song) I'm not sure as to how valid the entire story about the small block Chevy is, I read it in an article in HPP magazine in the '90's, but I do think Pontiac is generally credited with the stamped steel, ball, stud rocker system by most car buys. You either love it or you hate it but it did make things simpler and has been reused for countless engines since.
I've heard that story too and agree that it is probably true. Harry Barr was one of the chief designers of the Chevy 265. I'd bet there is an SAE White Paper from 1954 or 1955 outlining the behind-the-scenes story on the Chevy small block. I read that Pontiac and Chevy were not certain the one-piece stamped steel rocker arms were going to be feasible / durable and just went for it. THAT gamble paid off nicely. And did you know that Chevy had a 288 cube push rod OHV V8 in 1918? Also, there was a dead-ended Chevy V8 program in the 1950 time frame. It was similar to the Kettering Olds / Cad OHV V8 and pretty heavy. It would NOT have been an instant legend. Only a couple pf pictures of this dead-end Chevy V8 exist. I read it was under 200 cubes! Google the topic if you want to see some neat stuff. Thanks for watching. And speaking of NEAT STUFF, tomorrow's OLDS Red Barn video is a MIND BENDER! Not to give it away, but can you say J2? -Steve Magnante
I've just shared this video with my friend that owns an old Corvair. He says the car is like new, but with a locked motor. He tells me it's locked on the bottom end. He said he's found several that he could buy but the sellers all seem to "know what they have." 🙄
How much could a Toronado tow compared to the RWD Riviera?
Steve, I hear that the distributor in an Olds turns counterclockwise opposite of a Chevy distributor, which turns clockwise is this true?
I cant verify this off the top of my head BUT it all depends on whether the distributor drive gear is on the left - or right - side of the camshaft drive gear. Its that simple. Without looking at a Chevy and Olds block, if the distributor pokes up out of the same side of the block they probably turn the same way. But if one is on one side of the block center line and the other is on the other side of the block centerline, that's generally a sign of opposite rotation of the rotor. The wild card here could be how the teeth of the cam and distributor drive gears are cut. Maybe some marine engines mess up my argument. A fast way to check is to Google "Oldsmobile 394 distributor rotation" and then Google the same for the small block Chevy. Heck, in the 4 minutes it took me to type all of this I coulda done that for you. Anyhoo, Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
I hope he gets some good fresh air after that.
I think there were /are birds in that barn. Not talking about firebirds or thunderbirds either .
two favorite buds? If you dont keep going ..fuck that
Any Olds diesel stuff?
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👍 😎 personally I can’t make rhyme or reason out of all that🤷♂️ has to be more to Warrens backstory, was this just his parts “shed” an was there a shop barn too on the property? Just curious 😳 ✌️🤙
As Warren's Son Mike tells me, Warren served in the Korean Conflict and while there as a young man had a dream to set up a home in the country with a family, nice house and a big barn to fill with his passion...Oldsmobiles and Ford pickups. He returned from Korea and made it all happen. His livelihood was running an automotive service station in Springfield, MA but when he was home in Palmer he played with and rebuilt his beloved Oldsmobiles...collecting all this treasure in the process. Years pass, we all age and - eventually - pass on. Today Warren's Son Mike has a deep respect and appreciation for his late Dad's collection and is hoping these videos help the items to find new homes. Fear not, there is no "doomsday clock" ticking away before some bulldozer moves in. But all the same, sooner is better than later when it comes to clearing out a life long collection of Oldsmobile parts so they get back into circulation. And here's a hint at tomorrow's OLDS Red Barn video....J2 Convertible Discovery!!!!! Please tune in! -Steve Magnante
Eggcellent Batman 🤗 👍 thankyou 😀 ✌️
Why did this guy take all the engines completely apart??? Was this a chop shop??? lol