QTR 82 Tool Lots - Tapping Machine
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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Interesting machine. You made me chuckle with "ghost turds" comment.
Thanks, Tom. That is what my boss used to call them and I really thought the name fit.
I think the machine is very cool. And I like the concept, with exceptions in design you've pointed out. Very disappointing there is no 'stop' function in case of trouble. It's really a shame that it's so common with the China designs, that they are 'pretty' good, but could be fantastic with a few more features, or a bit better build quality. I guess they slowly keep improving things tho. Also want to mention, a superior tapping head to the popular Tapmatic, is the Ettco units. They use a cone clutch instead of a dog clutch and are way more smooth than the Tapmatic design. My main Ettco tapping head I use the most, I found at a scrap yard 25 years ago one winter. The morse taper shank was sticking out of the mud, I pulled on it, and a tapping head popped out of the mud. I think I paid $6.00 for it, cleaned it up, and have been using it all these years still.
I love stories like that. $6 solid gold find.
Nice new toy.
I think so too!
Interesting. I’ve had an older pneumatic FlexArm for several years and it’s very much a manual machine, I completely rely on the clutch type tap holders. Once the clutch type are set properly there is very little chance of snapping off a tap. I’m sure once you’ve become used to operating it, you’ll find it to be a great purchase.
Thanks for the advise. I definitely need to pork on adjusting the torque settings on the holders. They were supposedly "set" at the factory, but I think we all know the real truth there. I do look forward to using the tool. I really hate manual tapping. I am very clumsy and have broken off way too many taps.
Interesting new toy
Thanks. I really hate manually tapping parts and I have a bunch to do coming up.
Great video and channel , got me subed 🤩🙌
That was generous and thanks!
I don't in any way mean to run down your purchase. For the price, I think it's excellent, I would certainly consider one. I think I might have gone with the fixed vertical model though. The various locks look rather anemic. If there's enough meat far away from the trunnion, I think it might be a very good idea to get it trammed in extremely square and then drill a hole in both of the axes. This will allow you to put a bolt and wing nut on, you won't need to worry about his position for the 90% of holes you tap. You wouldn't need to remove the adjusting locks, so if you had a strange angle, you could pull the two pins and restore it to full movement
The adjustment locks may look flimsy, but they are surprisingly solid as is the rest of the arm. This is definitely a case of looks can be deceiving. The work is sort of minimalist functional, but quite solid.
I’ve been thinking of getting one of these for a while, but couldn’t find the excuse. But now, I’m blaming you for getting me interested again. The main thing that’s got me uncertain is how this does in steel and stainless, as those are more important to me. But it looks pretty nice. The faults are annoying, but minor. The lack of conversions seems to be an oversight, or possibly a programming error somewhere, and might actually be there, but not accessible because of that.
With Adam, his machine could likely have been given to him, as that’s how he seems to be getting all of his new machines these days. You’ve got to get to 500,000 subs so you can get them for free too.
Adam is a very lucky guy and I think you are right. I watched a tone of his videos when I was starting out. I am currently working on a project where I will be using the tapping machine on steel and I will shoot it. I didn't have any decent scrap steel around when I shot this review. I will see if I have any thick stainless plate available. I don't think I do.
Ran into the problem with the electrical on my X axis power feed for my mill. Contacted the vendor and they finally agreed to reimburse me for the cost of a 220 volt plug.
Very interesting. Thanks for the info.
BTW, I know you have a very nice sander that you designed, but I recently stumbled across a DIY trick I really quite like. I'm too cheap to buy a fixture table and I have a very large milling machine. I've gotten in the habit of buying garage sale table saws from the 40s and 50s and reusing the cast iron tops as benches. I'm considering drilling holes, but the webbing means they cannot be equally spaced. Anyhow, the mouth for the blades has always been an issue. The middle most tabletop, I have the original cover and I use it to sweep metal chips into which fall into a bucket. The other ones I have typically just made an aluminum cover though it is helpful to remove these for clamping. Anyhow, I have one of those tinky little Sanders 4x36 with the little 6-in circular wheel. It's junk but built quite solid. I ordered some absolutely vicious belts from Klingspor designed for fast removal of HSS. The sander is a $50 item and far from accurate. Despite this, I was able to build an adapter that keeps it firmly arranged exactly 90° to the table and parallel to the fence. It's a small thing, but I've been pretty amazed at universal it is, I end up using it much more than I expected. Just wanted to throw it out there, I know you have a table saw that is somewhat in your way but you don't do much woodwork. Maybe grabbing one of those 12-in aluminum discs and some adhesive backed paper for metal removal, you might find it useful for bulk removal and roughing in your tool
Great ideas thanks. At work they, without telling anyone, upgraded all of the table saws in our mill to Sawstop ones for insurance reasons and one of the saws they tossed in the metal recycling bin was a 12" table saw wit castings so heavy it had to be taken to the bin in two forklift trips. The base alone weighted more than 4000 pounds! I was so sad to see such an amazingly well built and fully functional tool tossed. The table was similarly heavy. It was 80 years old.
Could you post the make, model and part # for this machine? or even better a link for it ;) this would be handy in the shop ..
Sure:
www.toolots.com/d-16r.html
and the others:
www.toolots.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=3%2F16%22-5%2F8%27%27+Touch+Screen+360%C2%B0+Universal+Electric+Tapping+Machine+220V
It looks like a very capable machine. If it’s GUI was done better, it would’ve been a great machine. Still, after getting used to it’s quarks, it should be great. I wonder if it software can be updated.
The manual say it can be upgraded, but will they actually invest in the time to do it?
The tap collets look like standard Bilz style collets. Its interesting that you broke a tap. The clutches on the Bilz collet are usually factory set for tapping steel. I have used them for years and never broken a tap. Maybe the torque needs to be reduced for aluminum?
I am not sure, but these tap holders were made in China and "calibrated" there, so perhaps I should have checked first or you are right about the aluminum. It is softer, but a lot more gooey.
Is there any method to set the thread engagement percentage? And is the depth reading only available in metric? That's obnoxious if so. Having the diameter in imperial, and the depth and metric? You're going to have to duct tape the TI-82 to the side of that thing
Sadly, the software really could use some help.
Pretty cool who did you purchase from ???
Tool Lots. I think they are based in the US and resell Chinese made goods.
@@DudleyToolwright thanks I realized that was the business name right after I hit send at first I read it as a lot of tools you bought like when you buy a lot on eBay and right as I sent the question I was like duh that's the company name 😂😂😂
Every 6 months or so I convince myself that I need a dedicated tapping station. I've looked at some lower cost options, I've looked at some DIY options, and at least financially, I have a hard time justifying anything more then three dirt cheap drill presses with procurier tapping heads from eBay in the three most common sizes on each one. I've also run across a video that took geometric die heads made for the tail stock and modified for a vertical Mill. This last one was the most complicated, but it had an excellent system for swapping out the various sizes very very quickly. I'm curious, did you consider any of these other options? I know space is quite at a premium for you, I could see this alone justifying your choice. I'm not in any way critical, but I would like to understand what alternatives you considered and what made you land on this?
I have a tapping head for my mill, but it is a cheap Chinese one and works poorly. I looked at the much cheaper pneumatic options, but they require a ton of air that I can't provide. I looked at domestically made ones and they are about $5k for electric models. I am really clumsy and break way too many taps when doing it manually. As a result I have been looking for something like this ever since I saw Adam's amazing hydraulic one. Space is a problem and I had to sort that out before I committed. Its current location will make using the table saw even harder, but I am considering options. I hadn't heard of some of the solutions you mentioned.
You should have just taken their refund.. When I ordered an x/y table from ebay-- it came with one of the main screw blocks broken at the mounting bolt. The wooden shipping box (similar to yours) had been dropped and the handle shaft had stabbed through the side of the box (at least they didnt' have the handles installed, so it was still fine). They gave me a 20% refund, and I took it, since I didn't really have any other choice. All I had to do is re-drill and tap another hole in the broken block; it was only broke on one corner, so I still had two other corners to drill mounting bolts into-- Thats likely why it broke, because there were only two mounting bolts diagonal from each other, rather than having 4 bolts/ one on each corner.. Next time just take their refund; they need some incentive to change their shipping practices, or they never will.
I misspoke on the video. They wanted me to repack and ship the whole shebang back to them and then they would send me a replacement when more arrived in the country. I would have taken a partial rebate for the reasons you mentioned, but that was never brought up. They definitely need better shipping practices.
@@DudleyToolwright They didn't bring it up in my situation either. I'm the one that offered to accept a partial refund and I'll just fix it myself. And they said "Is 20% good enough" lol.. I was only expecting like a 5% refund or something... So I was happy with 20%... But that's buying from Ebay--- and they didnt' want a bad review or feedback.
do you have a link to the company you bought it from and the model number?
Sure. Mine is the one out of stock. It seems they have others that are nearly if not completely identical.
Mine: www.toolots.com/d-16r.html
All of them: www.toolots.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=3%2F16%22-5%2F8%27%27+Touch+Screen+360%C2%B0+Universal+Electric+Tapping+Machine+220V
I don’t know. It looks pretty cheesy
It is surprisingly solid feeling. I get that, that doesn't translate on camera well. Time will definitely tell. I wish I had access to one of the $5000 American made ones to compare it to.
Not showing tapping steel makes the test not so helpful actually!!
I am sorry. I didn't have any thick scrap steel about when I shot this video and I knew that the project I was working on next would use steel and need a bunch of tapped holes, so if you can take another of my videos, steel tapping with the machine is coming.