Based on everything I have seen from you and others, I would go with the Z6. It is the video that has impressed me. I'm not exactly in the market for a new camera yet though, but I enjoy your tests. Will you be doing a strict low light comparison between the two cameras?
Both (sorry). I own both and consider them completely different cameras -- the D850 satisfies my very demanding birding needs, and my Z7 is better for pretty well everything else. I love what the Z7 is doing for my MF glass.
@@lokeshsiddalingaiah That depends. The tracking af is unusable, so if you want to be filming moving subjects with autofocus, you won't be able to use the D850 for that. BUT the 4k image quality is great and af is ok for fairly static subjects. So if you shoot static scenes or use manual focus, the D850 is great for filming.
Once I tried Z7, and Z6, I sold my a7r2 immediately... no matter how better people say sony is, but after 6 months of use, I still can not feel right about it. Nikon build is a loooot better, the jpg picture looks a lot pleasing at least in my experience.
I’m selling off all my Nikon gear (D850 included) as a travel and landscape/cityscape photographer the Z is a no brainer, superb image quality that the 850 has, same weather resistance, but in a smaller package. Don’t get me wrong, the D850 is a superb camera, but the Z appeals to me more. At the end of the day some people like one thing others don’t, For those still trying to decide, the best thing to do is actually go into a store and try it yourself, I was so set on the ar7III until I felt it in my hands (no offence Sony) the Nikon z just feels right in your hand.
@3:02 This is EXACTLY why Matt is one of, if not, THE best reviewer in YT. Actual reviews and comments in a way that answers what most people would want, and not a personalised rant about "I didnt like... or I wouldn't....I..I ..I" like some other reviewers out there. Fantastic stuff! Thanks again Matt! P.S. Johanna is just so awesome. Always makes us smile with her enthusiasm and joy.
I have a D750 and just got a Z6. And I use it mostly for still photographs. So, besides for the sensor resolution the comparison is fairly similar. My initial impression is that I may prefer carrying around the Z6. It's the 1st mirrorless camera that seems to work for me (I tried a couple Fujis). Ergonomically it reminds me of my old Canon F1 35mm. Top things I like are 1. Display is awesome 2. Size makes it feasible to carry almost anywhere. The Z 24-70 lens gives it just the right amount of heft. 3. And not having a mirror makes this a lean and functional shooting machine. The slick and cool factor is very high. I like the autofocus performance of the D750 and I've grown accustomed to picking up a chunky camera. 4. I like that I can fly under the radar too. People seem to mind less when I'm carrying the Z6 vs the D750. It's much more subtle. Won't I don't like too much about it is 1. Autofocus is less snappy and feels under powered with my 18-35 lens (which I think is a great match because of its weight even despite the adapter's size which doesn't seem to bug me very much) 2. Looking through the viewfinder you don't get that clear image that you get that's on the display. 3. I've programmed it for back focus and AE-lock with the F1 key which is takes a little coordination to reach. In conclusion I'm edging with the Z6. It's going to change how I take pictures too. Using the display more which has been an obstacle in the past since I'm an old timer and still affectionately remember my 35mm days. I can see how some photographers still like to strap up like they're going on a scuba dive. But frankly I think that it's all about being able to take great pictures, using the latest technology, in a discrete and comfortable way. At some point the mirror is going to have to go. It's technically flawed and archaic to have those mechanics. I'm keeping my D750 and may carry it along as a backup on a shoot. But for me it's all about the Z6 now. Finally time to make the switch. Upgrades will be coming out fast to make up for all the technical short comings. I don't know who said this, maybe you Matt. Seems like Nikon intentionally released this camera with some intentional short comings for the time being because they knew that they can temporarily be overcome. I also think that you pegged it with your other review where you tested the autofocus with other lenses. All in all the z6 (or z7) for a still photographer takes great pictures for day to day shots. Despite that, the DSLR is still here to stay for some specialize Photographers in my opinion. But for me I'm going with the z6 for now and the D750 for any special needs or backup.
Hi Matt! I considered moving to mirrorless but since I mostly shoot Nature and birds and not do a lot of filming I picked the D850 , I wanted the the dynamic range, the base ISO of 64 and the solid build quality - and of course the resolution. Even if that one is a tie betweeen the cameras..
I own a Z7 and couldn't be happier. The thing that stands out the most to me is the placement of the iso button. Shooting manual, looking through the evf, I can adjust the aperture, shutter and iso with my thumb, forefinger and middle finger while looking at my preferred exposure as I'm capturing it. The touch screen info system is also great but I usually have it shut off until I need it because my nose hits the screen. Now, when I pick up my D750, it feels as low tech as my film cameras compared to the Z7. One major issue is that I have shot 3 weddings since acquiring the Z but I still shot all the really important things, like the ceremony, primarily with the D750 because of the dual card slots and having the fear of losing images..
My takeaway from video reviews, Thom Hogan's excellent Z7 review, and seeing Z7/Z6 pictures posted online, is that I'll be sticking with my Nikon DSLRs, specifically my humble D750, at least for now. I don't do video and I don't want to do video, plain and simple. Maybe in the future I'll get the Z6ii. I'm also self aware enough to know that my camera isn't what's holding me back from being a better photographer... :)
All depends what you want to shoot. For me, as I am into Wildlife mostly, the Nikon D850 is the choice. Especially as there are tons of native long telephoto lenses available (e.g. the exquisite Nikkor 600mm 4.0 FL). For years to come, no mirrorless - does not matter which brand - will reach the level of that you can get with a DSLR. Nikon better does not forget their main customer base, the Z5 and Z7 are just for a very small number of people.
Honestly I am not attracted to mirrorless. It's cool and the right choice for many - but as kong as there is still any lag whatsoever in evfs it is not going to happen. I hate them enough already without feeling out of sync with time as well. They make me feel quite disconnected to my subject. Enjoyed the video Matt!
Good video. Normally I should have stopped at the D810 (my limit is the 30x20 prints). But GAS propelled me to a boatload of Zeiss lenses (Otus included) and I returned the Z7 to get a second D850. I change lenses often, don't need the dust of mirrorless. Covered for 10 years. I know the next camera will be better. The next refrigerator will also be better than the one I have. Won't spend my life upgrading appliances.
Maybe you don’t have this problem but another advantage of the Z cameras is that any lenses you struggle to get consistent accurate auto focus with, especially the zooms, they are actually much more accurate than on the d850, for me at least. I have the newest 24-70 lens and it’s reliably back focusing past 40 or 50 mm, there’s no one AF fine-tune that works for the whole range. Now it has a new lease on life on my Z6.
Have a D850 since their release...just got Z7 a few weeks ago...You are 100% spot on...not dropping my D850...but since I do landscape mostly , and some wildlife, the Z7 is going in my kit bag with the D500 (for reach)... Hopefully next up is a Z8 which will be a bit beefer, two card slots and faster auto focus and buffering...then I can switch out my D5. Great Review
D850 all the way, especially if you got lenses calibrated professionally to the body. I never thought i could get a sharper image than my D850, well get it professionally calibrated to see the difference. Z6 video, Z7 bit of both while moaning about AF being fixed in future firmware(images), whatever you decide, just shoot and be happy. Far to much crap about gear when its about using it and enjoying it. Ps. D850 with grip and 9fps, i can't prove it but the AF sure feels faster with that extra juice in the body.
Great service quick with reports about each lens and bodies tested, even found out 1 lens has loose element, i put it down to me and AF issue seems i was right to check it.
Same reason the d5 is faster and the higher fps happens in the first place. D5 battery = higher voltage. That's why your af experience improves with the grip.
I have the d850 and Nikon 70-200 f2.8 e fl vr. Cannot get good focus. Sending in both of them to Nikon for some in camera and lens physical adjustments.
A big difference is the mount. What if you want to future-proof your purchase? It depends on Nikon's strategy going forward, but if all the new lenses are going to be for the Z mount, that suggests going with the Z series. If Nikon proposes to keep bringing out lenses for both mounts, then it doesn't matter. But my guess would be that the old mount is going to get left behind.
given they launched a 500mm pf prime on the f-mount the same day they launched these z cameras i think there's still a few years of life left in the f mount
@Love made in Japan you say because of physics - but it is precisely because of physics that it gets big. to get a fast aperture lens you need it to be bigger. fstop is measured by taking diameter and dividing by focal length of the lens. so it is physically impossible to make smaller but fast lenses like 0.95.
@Love made in Japan it was an example - not everyone buys fast lenses for bokeh. i know a couple of event photographers who spent thousands on 1.4 lenses so they can shoot in low light events like circus performances etc. if there is no demand for expensive, fast lenses, manufacturers wouldn't make and sell them.
I think for a new buyer that really needs to buy now, its better to buy the D850 and native glass and consider Sony if you really want to go mirrorless and want video features. I think the EOS R and Z6/Z7 are really nice cameras but they still feel like they are in beta testing stage. It really only makes sense to buy one to compliment an existing Canon/Nikon setup because the lens lineup for the new mirrorless systems have a long way to mature. If you can, stick with what you have and wait for Nikon and Canon to go all in with the Mark II versions.
Michael No. I have a D850 and a Z6. Both of them are better than the Sony. I had a Sony back in Feb 2018 and returned it after a shoot near a waterfall. The Z6 is better than the a7iii and possibly better video than the a7r3
Very good comparison between the two cameras! I think the Nikon D850 it´s more than a great camera and will be always be produced, but the Nikon Z7 /Z6 will be the future line of cameras and lenses of Nikon.
A very detailed review indeed. Even though I came across this video quite late. I was saving up to buy the ultimate D850 for the last many years. The Z6II is quite tempting considering all the convenience and the technologies put into it. I do landscapes and occasionally portraits, don't do video at all. Considering my type of photography is it a good decision to buy a D850 in 2021 or should I migrate to the mirrorless territory.
Hi Matt!, your videos great as usual!, i hope finally i can decide which camera to get next....just sold my Nikon d850....i know it is great and maybe the best....but i decided to travel light ( i am just amateur phot...) and the dd850 + the Nikon 24-70mm 2.8 VR was just too much to walk around for some hours...that is why both are gone ....still have a 20mm1.8G a Nikon 24mm 1.4 G and a 35mm 1.4G and a 70-200 FL...mainly i do like to shoot landscape and street photography and also night street phot...so, what do you think for these needs is better., the Z 6 or the Z 7....i don´t know how this difference of 24MP ( Z 6) vs 46 ( Z 7) will be on image quality....is that worth to pay that big amount of cash to get the Z 7...?., honestly if money not a concern which camera will you take...? Z 6 or Z 7....? i don´t need it for videos , just photos... and last question if i may....not sure if to sell one of my lenses and get this new 24-70mm f4 ....is that good or maybe wait for the new 24-70mm 2.8 expected on 2019...?.Thanks for your time and i wish you best 2019!, Happy New Year...!!!
I just made this decision, after trying out both cameras. I chose the D850. First and foremost the size. The Z7 is too small for me to hold and adjust comfortably. I don’t have small hands. Smaller is not better. There is only 1 card slot on the Z7. Is this a consumer grade camera? Focus tracking is better on the D850. Backlit buttons. 2 card slots. No clunky adapter. Functional grip. Better battery life. Way Faster FPS. Hands down (large hands) the D850 is far superior.
I went with the Z7 rather than the D850 as I was coming from a big old heavy D810 with battery pack, and I was tired of lugging around all that weight. The smaller, lighter Z7 was MUCH easier to carry around for me than the D850 would have been, even when shooting with a lens requiring the lens adapter. Plus I really love the Z series 14-30mm lens for my real estate work, typically from five to 14 or so a week. For me, the Z7 with that "real estate" wide angle lens on it produces amazing images and my clients love them. Do I miss the second card slot? Sure do, but I always carry a spare card in my camera bag, so no biggie. Would I like it to autofocus better/faster in low light? Sure would. It's lousy at it, but I accept it for what it is and overlook this quirk in order to get the wonderful electronic viewfinder, upon which I can review photos in BRIGHT SUNLIGHT without having to try to see what I just shot by reviewing them on the rear display screen. All in all, I love the Z7 and would make the same decision again in spite of the Z7's shortcomings....
Thank you, Matt. That was a good, balanced comparison. I appreciate your candor and experience. I also shoot with both the D850 and Z7 (and Z6) and find that for my landscape photography, I enjoy using the Z7 more. For video, I too would use the Z6 or Z7 and my Atomos Ninja V, over the D850. However, for a wedding, or high-speed sports, I'd grab the D850 (mainly for the dual cards and more mature autofocus). Its good that we now have choices in the Nikon world.
Needed to see this comparison because I am cooling on the Z7 and warming back to the D850. The single card slot on the Z7 may turn out to be the deal breaker, simply because on my future overseas trips, I do not want to carry a laptop BUT I still want the security of back-up of the photos. If the D850 will back-up the photos on the second card, I can post the back-up cards back home. This would be a disaster-resistant solution.
Whats the best option in 2020? I currently have a Nikon d5300 but im looking to upgrade to full frame and don't know which option is better both have their positives and negatives... I mainly do street and landscape photography.
John Hernlund D810 is nice but my two D810’s had serious issues at below zero temps. I switched to D500 because the build quality is better. D850 is the same, built better. But I agree that in MOST scenarios, D810 is amazing
The Z6 has a few advantages over the Z7 for the videographer. The Z6 uses full sensor readout to record in 6k, and then downsamples to 4k in camera. The Z7 uses line skipping to only use about half the sensors lines, and then presumably also records in 6k with a downsample to 4k. You miss out on a lot of information with line skipping. Also, the Z6 has a much more favorable pixel pitch for low light gathering. This might be an even bigger advantage than the full sensor readout vs line skipping aspect. Its probably not a whole stop better. More likely its 1/3 to 1/2 a stop better low light than the Z7. But that extra 1/3 or 1/2 stop affords you some good things in the video world, especially with less than the very best lenses. An F3.5 lens is suddenly "like" an F2.8 lens, and so on.
The D850 still shooter and some sport. The z7 it's in the hallway as the Sony where 5 years ago. Great things to come. Love the NY model awesome work by both!
This video comparison was shot in 2018 before the upgrades on the Z7 regarding auto-focus. One of your recent videos you have decided to sell all of your D-850's and some lenses is it because now the Z7 has improved?
Matt ....Is the color science on the D810 really much better than other brands out of camera??? Is that why Peter Lindberg relied on Nikon D810 and other Nikon models for all of his photography ??????
IMO they're both good cameras, but the D850 does edge out the Z7 in auto focus tracking speed IMO. The other plus side to the D850 versus the gen 1 Z7 is the dual card slots too, which I know was a dealer breaker for some people when the Z7 came out (mostly professionals I think). But the Z7 II addressed that and a few other things. But if i had to choose, I'd probably still grab the D850 if you want a good performaer all-around that's ready for anything. The Z7 does make a great travel, landscape and portrait camera though.
I'm more than happy with my D850, but I would love to have Z7 as my second body, because I do lot of hiking and biking so smaller and lighter camera would be great to have for that purpose, while not losing anything in pic quality. But in the end I decided to skip these first gen models and wait for the next gen, there's a lot of potential for improvement there
Matt, with the firmware update that's coming in May, do you feel like any of the Z7 weakness will be overcome and therefore much closer to the D850? I'm just tossing up between the two and unsure that it's prudent to go with a D850 (shooting aussie rules football, architecture, controlled shots of dancers)
Right now, I am waiting for the Z7 problems with focusing and the lagging to be sorted out. For now, I will stick with my D3, D700 and a ton of F mount lenses.
I'm not a video shooter but I am slowly doing it more and more...from my perch I see the Z6 as a much better choice for video than Nikons DSLRs, I still am for the most part a still shot photographer so I am going to stick to DSLRs,
If I had to choose between them I'd pick the D850. I shoot with a D810 though and I see little reason to upgrade to the D850 as they are so similar. I also never really shoot much video so the advantages of the Z7 or Z6 are lost on me. I shoot mostly stills.
Matt on my Nikon I shoot back and forth from video and photo. Does the Sony A73 save your last settings. This is important to me as my job involves switching back hundred of times during a job. I know you can use a custom setting on a Sony but that only saves one specific group of settings and not the last current settings.
I know this is off-topic, but I was out the other day with a Sony A9 taking “stills” of hawks hunting for rodents. Watching even the D850 trying to track your running model, I was surprised how slow and easily distracted it seemed in comparison. I presume you have used both a lot. Have you seen any practical difference in focus tracking agility and speed between the A9 and the D850? I trust you more than any first impressions I might have.
I am subscribed to your utube videos and I thoroughly enjoy and study them. Can you suggest any other professionals that I can trust to give an honest m non biased opinion? You mentioned Tony and Chelsea, and I am subscribed to their utubes as well. They seem to use more of the Canon line of equipment. I am looking for someone who uses Sony equipment. I currently have good (L line) Canon lenses ( 28-70 and 70-200) but I don’t have a good camera body as yet. I am hoping to figure out if I should switch entirely to a new system with new glass, etc. , or update to a new Canon body. I hope that you can clear up some of my confusion. Thank you.
D850 as its a pro body, Z series is not (according to Nikon it was never aimed at the pro market). Also its just not worth the price for an entry level mirrorless. For an extra £800 you could go Fuji Medium format and that shows you how daft it has become! I would wait till next year apparently there's more to come from Nikon on the mirrorless front although god knows at what price point! Great review Matt but can't help but feel that the D850 for pro use is the safer option for obvious reasons most of them you point out.
The only cameras made in Sendai are the D5 and Z cameras, theD850 is made in Thailand. A lot of working pros disagree with you. It definitely has a pro solid build, best build and weather sealing of any other current FF mirrorless on the market. Any camera that matches the D850 in image quality is not an "entry level camera".
@@stanspb763 I don't disagree with you on that, but I'm just quoting what Nikon stated at photokina this year. It was never meant for the pro market (if you believe them) I'll bet a lot of working pros are regretting it and jumped too soon. Personally I feel they messed it up with the spec! and it is simply not worth the money. A lot of the working pros I come into contact with are questioning the validity of the full frame market and feel that it has now reached the point of over priced mass produced technology that you maybe could get away with 10 years ago. Many feel that Medium Format is the way ahead and imho fuji has highlighted the real costs of manufacturing with their aps-c range. Nikon Canon & Sony might have to rethink their pricing on FF in the future. imho :-)
Thanks for the head to head! Got the D850 when it was released (traded in a D3x and D800e for that) and just got the Z6 for video (traded in all my Sony gear for that). I think having both is the best solution for me and staying in one eco system is far superior to straddling between Nikon and Sony. ProRes footage on the Ninja V is really nice and even in STD picture control and 8 bit, I find it superior to the in-camera H.264.
Mark Shirley I’ve been shooting Nikon since the film days (over 40 years), so I’m biased and more comfortable with a Nikon. However, the video I shot with the Sony was superb. I think for anyone with a large investment in glass, they now can stick with bodies that use those lenses with very nice results. For somebody just starting out, I would recommend renting gear for a month at a time to really see what works best for them, especially since Sony has stepped up their game with high quality lenses.
@@carlmarch603 Hi - can you switch from stills to video like you can on Nikon where it saves the last settings. I heard a Sony shooter say you can't. It's important to me as I shoot video and stills for my job and have to switch back and forth fast.
Mark Shirley If you set up your video settings and save them to one of the custom settings (Register Custom Shoot Menu on a9, a7RIII and a7III only, I think), you can switch back and forth fairly easily including focusing mode, drive settings, etc. Otherwise, you have to adjust your settings individually through the menus.
@@carlmarch603 hi Carl thanks for the reply - trouble with that is it's only going to remember the one settings that are in the custom setting. If I set my video settings on my Nikon they may be specific to a scenario I then switch to photo then switch back to video then only those settings I originally set are operational not the setty from the current shoot. I swap back and forth quickly hundreds of times. I don't think Sony can do this.
Between these two it would be the D850. Although if I had the option to buy any camera at the moment it would be to wait and pre-order the Sony A7R IV.
Great video Matt, thank you. Regarding the FTZ, perhaps have two plates one on the camera and another on the FTZ? I exchanged my D850 for the Z7 in October. I prefer the mirrorless concept that I regard as the future, it suits my requirements and I am very happy with it. I do agree regarding the current focussing issues which I hope will be addressed soon with another firmware update. I would also like to see the reintroduction of AF Group mode.
Thanks, Matt, for difference in reviews that you get after you've used a camera for thousands of shots. Finally, after all the time since the Z series release, we're seeing that these cameras have a place. Johanna seems like a fun model, with both a serious/glamorous side, mixed with a good dose of smartass.. Love that balance.
Lucky enough to have the D850 and Z6 - happy with both and they compliment each other well I pick what i need and good to go - no Z-mount glass here so i just leave the tripod foot on the adapter :P
Great review matt, thank you very much for it. Always wondered how the Z7 fares against my D850. Seems I keep the D850 :D ps.: Johanna is absolutely lovely.
I wonder why ibis was not mentioned as an advantage? Also if using mf lenses the Z series should be far superior with all the helpers... at least according to Thom Hogan or Lloyd Chambers...
I personally believe this is the problem right now with Nikon.... they are neither here nor there with Mirrorless full frame. It's like sitting on a fence with razor blades on it: Very uncomfortable.
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Based on everything I have seen from you and others, I would go with the Z6. It is the video that has impressed me. I'm not exactly in the market for a new camera yet though, but I enjoy your tests. Will you be doing a strict low light comparison between the two cameras?
Both (sorry). I own both and consider them completely different cameras -- the D850 satisfies my very demanding birding needs, and my Z7 is better for pretty well everything else. I love what the Z7 is doing for my MF glass.
geez that z7 I can see my pores pores lololol so crip
I'm currently shooting with the Fujifilm X-H1, but I'm actually thinking about switching too the Nikon D850.
Z6 over the Z7, but Z7 over the D850. Why? EVF and my favorite and most-used lenses are manual focus.
That's about it.
Last Friday i recieved my D850 with the batterygrip. It’s a beast of a camera.
Manuel I had a lot of FF lenses, so it was worth the money
Is it good for shooting videos
@@lokeshsiddalingaiah That depends. The tracking af is unusable, so if you want to be filming moving subjects with autofocus, you won't be able to use the D850 for that. BUT the 4k image quality is great and af is ok for fairly static subjects. So if you shoot static scenes or use manual focus, the D850 is great for filming.
Once I tried Z7, and Z6, I sold my a7r2 immediately... no matter how better people say sony is, but after 6 months of use, I still can not feel right about it. Nikon build is a loooot better, the jpg picture looks a lot pleasing at least in my experience.
I’m selling off all my Nikon gear (D850 included) as a travel and landscape/cityscape photographer the Z is a no brainer, superb image quality that the 850 has, same weather resistance, but in a smaller package.
Don’t get me wrong, the D850 is a superb camera, but the Z appeals to me more.
At the end of the day some people like one thing others don’t,
For those still trying to decide, the best thing to do is actually go into a store and try it yourself, I was so set on the ar7III until I felt it in my hands (no offence Sony) the Nikon z just feels right in your hand.
Exactly the same here! I was so a7r3 but once u fell it on your hands... meh
What lenses are you planning to buy as I am also buying my first camera for travel I am planning to go for Z6
@@rodrigodemarchi1184 Mine came yesterday. im extremely impressed so far!
@@vishwanathnb128 Hi mate, i got mine with the adapter and 24-70 f/4 so far its proving to be a super sharp lens. im very impressed with it!
@3:02 This is EXACTLY why Matt is one of, if not, THE best reviewer in YT. Actual reviews and comments in a way that answers what most people would want, and not a personalised rant about "I didnt like... or I wouldn't....I..I ..I" like some other reviewers out there. Fantastic stuff! Thanks again Matt!
P.S. Johanna is just so awesome. Always makes us smile with her enthusiasm and joy.
More of Johanna pls. She's a riot!
omg
Is she of Brazilian Portuguese descent?
Jay Christianson My guess/bet is Caribbean Latina (Spanish speaking) -Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, etc.
Shes a blast.
Thanks Matt, really, at the end of the day the d850 is peak DSLR while the Z7 is a new chapter. Me thinks a D850 is coming my way, one day.
I am genuinely impressed with the way the Z7 focuses on a subject coming straight at it. Quite... something, right there.
neither of them, because I am poor ahahahahaha
or smart hehehe
people always use "poor" as an excuse even when they have two perfectly functioning kidneys smh
same
@@Ballacha Not exactly legal in the US... So given my immune system not worth the risk ;-)
Ha ha! Yup. Same here.
I have a D750 and just got a Z6. And I use it mostly for still photographs. So, besides for the sensor resolution the comparison is fairly similar. My initial impression is that I may prefer carrying around the Z6. It's the 1st mirrorless camera that seems to work for me (I tried a couple Fujis). Ergonomically it reminds me of my old Canon F1 35mm. Top things I like are 1. Display is awesome 2. Size makes it feasible to carry almost anywhere. The Z 24-70 lens gives it just the right amount of heft. 3. And not having a mirror makes this a lean and functional shooting machine. The slick and cool factor is very high. I like the autofocus performance of the D750 and I've grown accustomed to picking up a chunky camera. 4. I like that I can fly under the radar too. People seem to mind less when I'm carrying the Z6 vs the D750. It's much more subtle. Won't I don't like too much about it is 1. Autofocus is less snappy and feels under powered with my 18-35 lens (which I think is a great match because of its weight even despite the adapter's size which doesn't seem to bug me very much) 2. Looking through the viewfinder you don't get that clear image that you get that's on the display. 3. I've programmed it for back focus and AE-lock with the F1 key which is takes a little coordination to reach. In conclusion I'm edging with the Z6. It's going to change how I take pictures too. Using the display more which has been an obstacle in the past since I'm an old timer and still affectionately remember my 35mm days. I can see how some photographers still like to strap up like they're going on a scuba dive. But frankly I think that it's all about being able to take great pictures, using the latest technology, in a discrete and comfortable way. At some point the mirror is going to have to go. It's technically flawed and archaic to have those mechanics. I'm keeping my D750 and may carry it along as a backup on a shoot. But for me it's all about the Z6 now. Finally time to make the switch. Upgrades will be coming out fast to make up for all the technical short comings. I don't know who said this, maybe you Matt. Seems like Nikon intentionally released this camera with some intentional short comings for the time being because they knew that they can temporarily be overcome. I also think that you pegged it with your other review where you tested the autofocus with other lenses. All in all the z6 (or z7) for a still photographer takes great pictures for day to day shots. Despite that, the DSLR is still here to stay for some specialize Photographers in my opinion. But for me I'm going with the z6 for now and the D750 for any special needs or backup.
My old Nikon D3s stilll rocks in 2018
Dirk Tassaert my too )))
I still got my d700 rocking out
Dirk Tassaert
Meaning = Heavy as a Rock
*LoL*
My D3 best for me
Mi d300 rocks in 2018 🤙🏻
Awesome comparison pretty much nailed it .. Would have to choose the D850 📸👍
Hi Matt!
I considered moving to mirrorless but since I mostly shoot Nature and birds and not do a lot of filming I picked the D850 , I wanted the the dynamic range, the base ISO of 64 and the solid build quality - and of course the resolution. Even if that one is a tie betweeen the cameras..
Just got the Z6 this morning to go with the D850. Can't wait to get home and play with it! Your Z6 video convinced me :)
I acquired the Z7 to compliment my D810.
likewise
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into your field tests. You do an amazing job and it really helps in decision making.
That's a really good review perspective Matt. I wouldn't normally watch your channel, but you hit a really good spot with this DSLR vs Mirrorless
Matt this was a great review but I have to go with the D850.
Matt
Excellent video comparison between the two cameras. I'm a D850 landscape shooter and for full frame, nothing beats it.
Peter
Great comparison video Matt! Johanna is a welcome addition as well
I own a Z7 and couldn't be happier. The thing that stands out the most to me is the placement of the iso button. Shooting manual, looking through the evf, I can adjust the aperture, shutter and iso with my thumb, forefinger and middle finger while looking at my preferred exposure as I'm capturing it. The touch screen info system is also great but I usually have it shut off until I need it because my nose hits the screen. Now, when I pick up my D750, it feels as low tech as my film cameras compared to the Z7. One major issue is that I have shot 3 weddings since acquiring the Z but I still shot all the really important things, like the ceremony, primarily with the D750 because of the dual card slots and having the fear of losing images..
My takeaway from video reviews, Thom Hogan's excellent Z7 review, and seeing Z7/Z6 pictures posted online, is that I'll be sticking with my Nikon DSLRs, specifically my humble D750, at least for now. I don't do video and I don't want to do video, plain and simple. Maybe in the future I'll get the Z6ii. I'm also self aware enough to know that my camera isn't what's holding me back from being a better photographer... :)
All depends what you want to shoot. For me, as I am into Wildlife mostly, the Nikon D850 is the choice. Especially as there are tons of native long telephoto lenses available (e.g. the exquisite Nikkor 600mm 4.0 FL). For years to come, no mirrorless - does not matter which brand - will reach the level of that you can get with a DSLR. Nikon better does not forget their main customer base, the Z5 and Z7 are just for a very small number of people.
Honestly I am not attracted to mirrorless.
It's cool and the right choice for many - but as kong as there is still any lag whatsoever in evfs it is not going to happen. I hate them enough already without feeling out of sync with time as well.
They make me feel quite disconnected to my subject.
Enjoyed the video Matt!
Good video. Normally I should have stopped at the D810 (my limit is the 30x20 prints). But GAS propelled me to a boatload of Zeiss lenses (Otus included) and I returned the Z7 to get a second D850. I change lenses often, don't need the dust of mirrorless. Covered for 10 years. I know the next camera will be better. The next refrigerator will also be better than the one I have. Won't spend my life upgrading appliances.
Maybe you don’t have this problem but another advantage of the Z cameras is that any lenses you struggle to get consistent accurate auto focus with, especially the zooms, they are actually much more accurate than on the d850, for me at least. I have the newest 24-70 lens and it’s reliably back focusing past 40 or 50 mm, there’s no one AF fine-tune that works for the whole range. Now it has a new lease on life on my Z6.
Have a D850 since their release...just got Z7 a few weeks ago...You are 100% spot on...not dropping my D850...but since I do landscape mostly , and some wildlife, the Z7 is going in my kit bag with the D500 (for reach)... Hopefully next up is a Z8 which will be a bit beefer, two card slots and faster auto focus and buffering...then I can switch out my D5. Great Review
I am waiting for next-gen Nikon for mirrorless, I have just purchased a D850 / 105mm a great starter set. , overkill for pics of my dog though! lol
D850 all the way, especially if you got lenses calibrated professionally to the body. I never thought i could get a sharper image than my D850, well get it professionally calibrated to see the difference. Z6 video, Z7 bit of both while moaning about AF being fixed in future firmware(images), whatever you decide, just shoot and be happy. Far to much crap about gear when its about using it and enjoying it. Ps. D850 with grip and 9fps, i can't prove it but the AF sure feels faster with that extra juice in the body.
Kaneports who calibrated your lens?
L White www.camerafocussupportservices.co.uk/
Great service quick with reports about each lens and bodies tested, even found out 1 lens has loose element, i put it down to me and AF issue seems i was right to check it.
Same reason the d5 is faster and the higher fps happens in the first place. D5 battery = higher voltage. That's why your af experience improves with the grip.
I have the d850 and Nikon 70-200 f2.8 e fl vr. Cannot get good focus. Sending in both of them to Nikon for some in camera and lens physical adjustments.
A big difference is the mount. What if you want to future-proof your purchase? It depends on Nikon's strategy going forward, but if all the new lenses are going to be for the Z mount, that suggests going with the Z series. If Nikon proposes to keep bringing out lenses for both mounts, then it doesn't matter. But my guess would be that the old mount is going to get left behind.
given they launched a 500mm pf prime on the f-mount the same day they launched these z cameras i think there's still a few years of life left in the f mount
@Love made in Japan you say because of physics - but it is precisely because of physics that it gets big. to get a fast aperture lens you need it to be bigger. fstop is measured by taking diameter and dividing by focal length of the lens. so it is physically impossible to make smaller but fast lenses like 0.95.
also, sometimes the light gathering is more important than dark corners - e.g. concert photography where you are using centre not the edges.
@Love made in Japan it was an example - not everyone buys fast lenses for bokeh. i know a couple of event photographers who spent thousands on 1.4 lenses so they can shoot in low light events like circus performances etc. if there is no demand for expensive, fast lenses, manufacturers wouldn't make and sell them.
@Love made in Japan VR is useless for fast action photography in low light mate.
I want the 850 so bad
I do have the d500 now and it’s pretty damn good
I think for a new buyer that really needs to buy now, its better to buy the D850 and native glass and consider Sony if you really want to go mirrorless and want video features. I think the EOS R and Z6/Z7 are really nice cameras but they still feel like they are in beta testing stage. It really only makes sense to buy one to compliment an existing Canon/Nikon setup because the lens lineup for the new mirrorless systems have a long way to mature. If you can, stick with what you have and wait for Nikon and Canon to go all in with the Mark II versions.
Michael No. I have a D850 and a Z6. Both of them are better than the Sony. I had a Sony back in Feb 2018 and returned it after a shoot near a waterfall.
The Z6 is better than the a7iii and possibly better video than the a7r3
Very good comparison between the two cameras!
I think the Nikon D850 it´s more than a great camera and will be always be produced, but the Nikon Z7 /Z6 will be the future line of cameras and lenses of Nikon.
A very detailed review indeed. Even though I came across this video quite late. I was saving up to buy the ultimate D850 for the last many years. The Z6II is quite tempting considering all the convenience and the technologies put into it. I do landscapes and occasionally portraits, don't do video at all. Considering my type of photography is it a good decision to buy a D850 in 2021 or should I migrate to the mirrorless territory.
Hi Matt!, your videos great as usual!, i hope finally i can decide which camera to get next....just sold my Nikon d850....i know it is great and maybe the best....but i decided to travel light ( i am just amateur phot...) and the dd850 + the Nikon 24-70mm 2.8 VR was just too much to walk around for some hours...that is why both are gone ....still have a 20mm1.8G a Nikon 24mm 1.4 G and a 35mm 1.4G and a 70-200 FL...mainly i do like to shoot landscape and street photography and also night street phot...so, what do you think for these needs is better., the Z 6 or the Z 7....i don´t know how this difference of 24MP ( Z 6) vs 46 ( Z 7) will be on image quality....is that worth to pay that big amount of cash to get the Z 7...?., honestly if money not a concern which camera will you take...? Z 6 or Z 7....? i don´t need it for videos , just photos... and last question if i may....not sure if to sell one of my lenses and get this new 24-70mm f4 ....is that good or maybe wait for the new 24-70mm 2.8 expected on 2019...?.Thanks for your time and i wish you best 2019!, Happy New Year...!!!
I really think the D850 is the best DSLR ever made since the 5D2. It has a great sensor, it has a great focusing system and it's built like a tank.
I just made this decision, after trying out both cameras. I chose the D850. First and foremost the size. The Z7 is too small for me to hold and adjust comfortably. I don’t have small hands. Smaller is not better. There is only 1 card slot on the Z7. Is this a consumer grade camera? Focus tracking is better on the D850. Backlit buttons. 2 card slots. No clunky adapter. Functional grip. Better battery life. Way Faster FPS. Hands down (large hands) the D850 is far superior.
There are dozens of tripod plates that don’t need to be removed when using the FTZ adapter. I use a Gitzo.
I went with the Z7 rather than the D850 as I was coming from a big old heavy D810 with battery pack, and I was tired of lugging around all that weight. The smaller, lighter Z7 was MUCH easier to carry around for me than the D850 would have been, even when shooting with a lens requiring the lens adapter. Plus I really love the Z series 14-30mm lens for my real estate work, typically from five to 14 or so a week. For me, the Z7 with that "real estate" wide angle lens on it produces amazing images and my clients love them. Do I miss the second card slot? Sure do, but I always carry a spare card in my camera bag, so no biggie. Would I like it to autofocus better/faster in low light? Sure would. It's lousy at it, but I accept it for what it is and overlook this quirk in order to get the wonderful electronic viewfinder, upon which I can review photos in BRIGHT SUNLIGHT without having to try to see what I just shot by reviewing them on the rear display screen. All in all, I love the Z7 and would make the same decision again in spite of the Z7's shortcomings....
Thank you, Matt. That was a good, balanced comparison. I appreciate your candor and experience. I also shoot with both the D850 and Z7 (and Z6) and find that for my landscape photography, I enjoy using the Z7 more. For video, I too would use the Z6 or Z7 and my Atomos Ninja V, over the D850. However, for a wedding, or high-speed sports, I'd grab the D850 (mainly for the dual cards and more mature autofocus). Its good that we now have choices in the Nikon world.
Needed to see this comparison because I am cooling on the Z7 and warming back to the D850. The single card slot on the Z7 may turn out to be the deal breaker, simply because on my future overseas trips, I do not want to carry a laptop BUT I still want the security of back-up of the photos.
If the D850 will back-up the photos on the second card, I can post the back-up cards back home. This would be a disaster-resistant solution.
Not caring a small computer in the digital world is risky. Backing up images daily in case SD card gets corrupted or camara gets stolen.
I use a D850 and D750 for stills, and a cool little Canon SL2 for video.
Thanks for your great comparison. I am wandering, does the AF difference still be noticable with the latest Z7 firmware?
It takes 4 Min. before getting to the main hands on; what would you think as a viewer Mr. Granger?
Whats the best option in 2020? I currently have a Nikon d5300 but im looking to upgrade to full frame and don't know which option is better both have their positives and negatives... I mainly do street and landscape photography.
But which one is more fun and easy to use?
Neither. Get a cherry used D810 for 1/3 the price and use the savings to buy nice glass, upgrade tripod, etc..
John Hernlund I very seldom need fast face acquisition camera..
John Hernlund D810 is nice but my two D810’s had serious issues at below zero temps. I switched to D500 because the build quality is better. D850 is the same, built better.
But I agree that in MOST scenarios, D810 is amazing
Hello Matt, the "Peak Design Clutch CL-2 Quick-Attaching, Quick-Adjusting Black Hand Strap" Arca-Swiss-Plate works with FTZ-Adapter
Doesn't the Z6 have better video (oversampling for 4K instead of pixel binning)? This matters if talking about "mainly for video use case".
yep, I think the Z6 is better than Z7.
The Z6 has a few advantages over the Z7 for the videographer. The Z6 uses full sensor readout to record in 6k, and then downsamples to 4k in camera. The Z7 uses line skipping to only use about half the sensors lines, and then presumably also records in 6k with a downsample to 4k. You miss out on a lot of information with line skipping. Also, the Z6 has a much more favorable pixel pitch for low light gathering. This might be an even bigger advantage than the full sensor readout vs line skipping aspect. Its probably not a whole stop better. More likely its 1/3 to 1/2 a stop better low light than the Z7. But that extra 1/3 or 1/2 stop affords you some good things in the video world, especially with less than the very best lenses. An F3.5 lens is suddenly "like" an F2.8 lens, and so on.
Nice one. The differences are so obvious.
Agree with you. The evf lagging is a problem
The D850 still shooter and some sport. The z7 it's in the hallway as the Sony where 5 years ago. Great things to come.
Love the NY model awesome work by both!
Another great review, I like the real life practical shooting, thanks Matt!
This video comparison was shot in 2018 before the upgrades on the Z7 regarding auto-focus. One of your recent videos you have decided to sell all of your D-850's and some lenses is it because now the Z7 has improved?
What did you record this video with Matt? It looks amazing on a 75” TV
Matt ....Is the color science on the D810 really much better than other brands out of camera??? Is that why Peter Lindberg relied on Nikon D810 and other Nikon models for all of his photography ??????
IMO they're both good cameras, but the D850 does edge out the Z7 in auto focus tracking speed IMO. The other plus side to the D850 versus the gen 1 Z7 is the dual card slots too, which I know was a dealer breaker for some people when the Z7 came out (mostly professionals I think). But the Z7 II addressed that and a few other things. But if i had to choose, I'd probably still grab the D850 if you want a good performaer all-around that's ready for anything. The Z7 does make a great travel, landscape and portrait camera though.
Your model is the best Ive seen in any reviews :) so funny
Thorough comparison; good explanation from real-world pro photographer. AMAZING (and callypigian) model! Thank you.
I'm more than happy with my D850, but I would love to have Z7 as my second body, because I do lot of hiking and biking so smaller and lighter camera would be great to have for that purpose, while not losing anything in pic quality. But in the end I decided to skip these first gen models and wait for the next gen, there's a lot of potential for improvement there
I like the Z system package and the EVF.. much better than those couple of years back.. but I like those button on the D850..
Matt, with the firmware update that's coming in May, do you feel like any of the Z7 weakness will be overcome and therefore much closer to the D850? I'm just tossing up between the two and unsure that it's prudent to go with a D850 (shooting aussie rules football, architecture, controlled shots of dancers)
No idea sorry
she is amazing. a model that speaks wow.
I'm riding the DSLR train for as long as possible
Right now, I am waiting for the Z7 problems with focusing and the lagging to be sorted out. For now, I will stick with my D3, D700 and a ton of F mount lenses.
Thanks Matt. That's exactly what I needed to know.
What about for travel and landscape? Which would be your go to?
I'm not a video shooter but I am slowly doing it more and more...from my perch I see the Z6 as a much better choice for video than Nikons DSLRs, I still am for the most part a still shot photographer so I am going to stick to DSLRs,
If I had to choose between them I'd pick the D850. I shoot with a D810 though and I see little reason to upgrade to the D850 as they are so similar. I also never really shoot much video so the advantages of the Z7 or Z6 are lost on me. I shoot mostly stills.
Matt on my Nikon I shoot back and forth from video and photo. Does the Sony A73 save your last settings. This is important to me as my job involves switching back hundred of times during a job. I know you can use a custom setting on a Sony but that only saves one specific group of settings and not the last current settings.
Upgrding to full frame. Z7 or d850? have no full frame glass. Also i will be backpacking Asia/Europe full time so id say an absolute max of 2 lenses.
I know this is off-topic, but I was out the other day with a Sony A9 taking “stills” of hawks hunting for rodents. Watching even the D850 trying to track your running model, I was surprised how slow and easily distracted it seemed in comparison. I presume you have used both a lot. Have you seen any practical difference in focus tracking agility and speed between the A9 and the D850? I trust you more than any first impressions I might have.
Thanks Matt, superb comparison.
I had a d5600 and recently bought a second hand d810 and I am loving it. Not a 850 but quite similar from spec sheets!
Hi, is it worth to buy Z7 with 24-70 F4 S lens, when I already have 24-70 F2,8 ?
Phenomenal comparison video.
I will definitely be checking out the Z6/7 cameras. They seem like great cameras for my needs as a video producer. (:
Video Producer ? Hope you dont mean the high Quality Productions on your Channel :D
I am subscribed to your utube videos and I thoroughly enjoy and study them. Can you suggest any other professionals that I can trust to give an honest m non biased opinion? You mentioned Tony and Chelsea, and I am subscribed to their utubes as well. They seem to use more of the Canon line of equipment. I am looking for someone who uses Sony equipment.
I currently have good (L line) Canon lenses ( 28-70 and 70-200) but I don’t have a good camera body as yet.
I am hoping to figure out if I should switch entirely to a new system with new glass, etc. , or update to a new Canon body.
I hope that you can clear up some of my confusion.
Thank you.
I understand some of the advantages of mirrorless cameras, I just really don't like the idea of looking at a tiny screen.
D850 as its a pro body, Z series is not (according to Nikon it was never aimed at the pro market). Also its just not worth the price for an entry level mirrorless. For an extra £800 you could go Fuji Medium format and that shows you how daft it has become! I would wait till next year apparently there's more to come from Nikon on the mirrorless front although god knows at what price point! Great review Matt but can't help but feel that the D850 for pro use is the safer option for obvious reasons most of them you point out.
The only cameras made in Sendai are the D5 and Z cameras, theD850 is made in Thailand. A lot of working pros disagree with you. It definitely has a pro solid build, best build and weather sealing of any other current FF mirrorless on the market.
Any camera that matches the D850 in image quality is not an "entry level camera".
@@stanspb763 I don't disagree with you on that, but I'm just quoting what Nikon stated at photokina this year. It was never meant for the pro market (if you believe them) I'll bet a lot of working pros are regretting it and jumped too soon. Personally I feel they messed it up with the spec! and it is simply not worth the money.
A lot of the working pros I come into contact with are questioning the validity of the full frame market and feel that it has now reached the point of over priced mass produced technology that you maybe could get away with 10 years ago. Many feel that Medium Format is the way ahead and imho fuji has highlighted the real costs of manufacturing with their aps-c range. Nikon Canon & Sony might have to rethink their pricing on FF in the future. imho :-)
Kaun sa Behtar Achcha hai?
Thanks for the head to head! Got the D850 when it was released (traded in a D3x and D800e for that) and just got the Z6 for video (traded in all my Sony gear for that). I think having both is the best solution for me and staying in one eco system is far superior to straddling between Nikon and Sony. ProRes footage on the Ninja V is really nice and even in STD picture control and 8 bit, I find it superior to the in-camera H.264.
Do you prefer the Z6 to your Sony gear.
Mark Shirley I’ve been shooting Nikon since the film days (over 40 years), so I’m biased and more comfortable with a Nikon. However, the video I shot with the Sony was superb. I think for anyone with a large investment in glass, they now can stick with bodies that use those lenses with very nice results. For somebody just starting out, I would recommend renting gear for a month at a time to really see what works best for them, especially since Sony has stepped up their game with high quality lenses.
@@carlmarch603 Hi - can you switch from stills to video like you can on Nikon where it saves the last settings. I heard a Sony shooter say you can't. It's important to me as I shoot video and stills for my job and have to switch back and forth fast.
Mark Shirley If you set up your video settings and save them to one of the custom settings (Register Custom Shoot Menu on a9, a7RIII and a7III only, I think), you can switch back and forth fairly easily including focusing mode, drive settings, etc. Otherwise, you have to adjust your settings individually through the menus.
@@carlmarch603 hi Carl thanks for the reply - trouble with that is it's only going to remember the one settings that are in the custom setting. If I set my video settings on my Nikon they may be specific to a scenario I then switch to photo then switch back to video then only those settings I originally set are operational not the setty from the current shoot. I swap back and forth quickly hundreds of times. I don't think Sony can do this.
Damn that Z looks tiny next to the D850
Thats what she said xD
@@GRIANMEDIA Hold this L
@@spoolindsm127 you hold this L bruh
100% for all photos D850, the Z7 in lower light struggled to focus when I used it
Between these two it would be the D850. Although if I had the option to buy any camera at the moment it would be to wait and pre-order the Sony A7R IV.
Great video Matt, thank you.
Regarding the FTZ, perhaps have two plates one on the camera and another on the FTZ?
I exchanged my D850 for the Z7 in October. I prefer the mirrorless concept that I regard as the future, it suits my requirements and I am very happy with it.
I do agree regarding the current focussing issues which I hope will be addressed soon with another firmware update.
I would also like to see the reintroduction of AF Group mode.
Plates - that doesn’t work - point is that having a plate on camera stops you attaching or removing the ftz
Yes, just checked and the sockets are too close, two plates would only work for lenses with own collar [200m ? and above].
@@mattgranger is there the same issue with L-bracket?
Hello! between the 850 or z7 which would you use for architectural photography?
Either
Thanks, Matt, for difference in reviews that you get after you've used a camera for thousands of shots. Finally, after all the time since the Z series release, we're seeing that these cameras have a place. Johanna seems like a fun model, with both a serious/glamorous side, mixed with a good dose of smartass.. Love that balance.
Lucky enough to have the D850 and Z6 - happy with both and they compliment each other well
I pick what i need and good to go - no Z-mount glass here so i just leave the tripod foot on the adapter :P
one cars slot for weddings? no way !
Good to see you comparing only Nikon equipment.
What lens was u using Matt nikon z7
Great review matt, thank you very much for it.
Always wondered how the Z7 fares against my D850. Seems I keep the D850 :D
ps.: Johanna is absolutely lovely.
I wonder why ibis was not mentioned as an advantage? Also if using mf lenses the Z series should be far superior with all the helpers... at least according to Thom Hogan or Lloyd Chambers...
Nikon D850 every day, but I also own a Z6 for video and low-light situations.
it would be interesting to make another comparison with the last update.
Please explain the additional external viewfinder? The Z 7 has one already. What product is that by name?
hey matt, i'm know in the possition to choose d850 oder z7....so 2 years later....whats now your opinion to this both cams?
I own two d850s and no Zs
@@mattgranger okay thats an answer :D
Thank you!
Matt, what is the ballhead you are using here?
what I should buy if i just take fashion photo and wedding photos just photos , because vdo i have panasonic already ?
I personally believe this is the problem right now with Nikon.... they are neither here nor there with Mirrorless full frame. It's like sitting on a fence with razor blades on it: Very uncomfortable.