Lot a questions about Hall Effect sticks. Nope, these are the same ALPS encoders that Scuf uses on all their controllers. But I'm sure they'll be seeing all the feedback. I'm not a big controller player so I've never smoked one to the point where it developed stick drift, but it looks like a long term review will be in order. Drop your favorite HE PC controllers in the comments and I'll pick one up for comparison.
I don't think I've ever had stick drift with a single controller since the PS1 era original DualShock, idk why this is always such a hot topic with controllers. People need to stop pushing so hard on the joysticks or throwing your controller down the stairs and it will work just fine. Even my Switch Joy-Cons are still pristine with no joystick issues or stick drift.
@@jj515789 I can assure you that I have never been rough or have I throw my controller around. I grew up poor and I appreciate everything I have ever bought with my money. Yet all my controller have developed stick drifts, every single one of them, some drifts earlier than other. I am not using them for things that’s required heavy stick movements such as fighting games, just regular gaming.
I stopped using Scuf controllers years ago, because they’re so unreliable. I’m PlayStation gamer and I literally had 3 Scuf controllers and every single one after about 6 months to a year of heavy use they start to really go wrong I’m now using the PS5 Edge controller and it’s literally the best. Stick drift? No problem, just buy a new stick module for £20 and you’re done and the whole controller itself is solid
For all the talk about hall effect switches, hall effect joysticks should be mandatory. Especially at this price point. All those features look amazing, but they won't matter once the sticks drift.
Right? Especially since Hall Effect modules cost just as much as regular ones, why not? Like @vonbellum said, 8bitdo, Gulikit, and the one I use, GameSir can pump out quality, cheap controllers with them. Wish they would do wireless as well though.
Best part of this is You can learn the drift right from the beginning Because all scuffs from me and my friends were broken in the first 2weeks to 3 months
I can almost sort of get why scuf didn't put HE modules in their ps5 and Xbox controllers, but there is no excuse for a custom pc controller and it's a deal breaker for me.
With everything how it is they don't make any difference with how they are developed. The technology just isn't there yet to make a big enough difference to make it worth swapping to
I can't believe a company like Scuf releases a PC only controller and omits Hall Effect sticks... Can these companies read the room already? Anybody serious about gaming wants Hall Sticks... The only controllers I am even giving the time of day need to have that in them.. I am not paying for a "pro" controller $100+ that does not have hall effect sticks. AND in fact I am willing to spend for that!! I have 2 pro controllers on order right now, the new Nacon Revolution with hall effects and a custom PS5 controller with Hall Effect. I am not spending $100+ for stick drift in 3-4 months sorry. Take notes and try again Scuf, because by the looks of the comments I see a lot noting no hall effects...
@@aacc-sy3sd , yea it's possible could be a money play with the old replacement mentality. Or it could be a safe play since Hall Sticks do feel different, there is an adjustment period, but the accuracy is just insane I have been using the Nacon one and man it's like night and day accuracy , even your movements register faster or actually accurate in game to the extent you can escape situations you can't with ALPS. If scuf updates this with Hall sticks I'd be interested because I do think the fact you can bind keyboard buttons to it would make this a superior PC option. A few tweaks and they probably are on to somewhat of a game breaking standard. So, SCUF it's up to you now to listen and deliver.
A pc FPS focused controller without gyro compatibility is never going to get close to mouse and keyboard in my opinion. Gyro is the next step for making aim as close to 1:1, using it with flick stick is incredible. Highly recommend testing with a PS5 Pad or Switch Pro controller.
I agree. No gyro is a huge miss. I'm a PC M&K player, but early this year I was laid in bed due to a broken ankle, so I used a PS5 pad + gyro and it was crazy how much better I could aim compared to sticks alone in CoD. And more importantly, it felt way better and more intuitive.
"Necessary evil" is 100% true but the strength of AA now in contrast to what it used to be is night and day. That is the issue, it's become so much stronger it's no longer AA but soft-aimlock.
After using 3 custom scuf controls and not a single one of them lasting more than 4 months ima stick to M&K for fps. For RPGs I'll use my core with a 2 year Amazon warranty
5:29 Thanks for this. I could not figure out why my controller was acting weird with my Wooting keyboard. This fixed it. I had no idea the keyboard even had this setting.
This is everything we could dream for in a PC controller, but the sticks man..... This will set the standard for pc controllers, but Scuf needs to elimate the need for a new contoller every 3-4 months first.
No controller worth its weight in quality and price should be breaking in 4 months. It wasn't until the late 2010's that I noticed controllers started breaking so easily and quality control went to rock bottom. Before that every controller I would buy would never break and last for years and years. Now most controllers I get just break in months, or in a year if I'm lucky. I went through 4 Xbox controllers breaking and 3 Switch controllers either Pro controllers with inaccurate dpads or joycons with stick drift.
@@ADreamingTraveler yes I’m curious to see if the stick drift modifiers on ICue software can really make a difference or not. But the 1 year warranty is actually promising because I’d literally just replace it after 364 days just to be safe lol
Gamesir and Flydigi offer superior controllers for a mere fraction of the price. They also come equipped with Hall Effect joysticks, which is something that should be standard in controllers by now, especially one's in this price point.
No hall effect sticks? I just bought the epomaker controller that's styled like an Xbox controller and that has hall effect switches with 2 back buttons and the mouse switches for buttons. It looks like a nice controller but I only payed like $60 for that.
I've been using Razor's Wolverine controller for certain PC games for a few years now and absolutely love it.....BeamNG driving, DayZ SA driving or flying specifically (not while on foot), Red Dead 2 Story(never even touched MP lol) ECT..... it's literally like a better built Xbox One Elite controller, but with a tiny touch of configurable RGB at the top and of course, the best feature, wired(a nice braided cable). I don't know how many hours I have using it, quite a bit I assume, and everything still works like the day I bought it, it's fantastic.
Ngl id love this for my pc single player stuff. might have to be a pickup, I LOVE the design visually and the pad looks maybe good enough to play fighters on as well. Apparently hall effect sticks are a thing which I did not know at all so maybe thats the one thing they can take back to the lab for this one, because it otherwise looks like a win to me. This video was also hilarious. Great work. The shot lighting you used for this was really really it.
It’s been out of stock so I haven’t been able to get it yet but it also makes me hopeful that the series elite 3 will also knock it out of the park in order to compete with this beast of a controller.
"It besmirched the great [TEGA] name" is exactly how I felt being forced to play the MWIII beta on a PS5 as opposed to on my PC. "Wet garbage" is an undeserved compliment to my gameplay on that thing.
For PC gaming, I recommend the Azeron Cyborg more than any game controller. You get the advantage of an analog joystick to replace AWSD with the 28 programmable keys. You can just put the entire keyboard aside and just have the Cyborg and the mouse on your desk for gaming. Also with the Cyborg you can just program the buttons to correspond to a simplified standard XBox controller layout, and not have to deal with so many key binds of a keyboard layout. This is a good solution for PC players, as well as gamers moving from console to PC. For console gamers it gives them something familiar with an analog stick to control movement and a mouse for aiming. For PC players it gives them the ultimate control of analog stick for movement, and 28 keys to create as many key bind profiles as possible for each of your games.
While I don't play COD on controller, this seems to be the only controller so far that allows for full remap. My DS5 has been having issues connecting and have been looking for an alternative for DS4Windows being able to remap everything, and for me, alt-tabbing is the most important while playing casual games able to alt+tab and instantly change to a profile where I can use the controller to navigate the PC with the sticks as the mouse and the triggers as left click or right click, then press the button again to alt-tab back into the game and switch again to the gaming profile. Been looking for companies like Razer and Logitech to do this, didn't expect Corsair/Scuf to be the one to bring custom mapping to a wireless controller. Like it didn't make sense to me that's it's never happened when we have mice with all these remap abilities pushing $150+
If the quality on this is good, there’s no point in getting an elite series 2 anymore, but via steam input or rewasd, you can fully remap the elite series 2. All the buttons, paddles, etc and works just as this would. Can’t recommend it though, as both of the 2 elite series 2 controllers i tried needed a 10% deadzone out of the box, but not every one has this issue. Steam input supports automatic switching between desktop and game profiles, it seems a little buggy when using with non steam games, but can work still if you add them to steam and launch them from there. If you aren’t concerned about the extra buttons the envision has, steam input will be the best option for your ds4/5. Rewasd has separate profiles that I can’t remember if you had to manually switch or not since my free trial ran out.
I have been using this controller for just under a month. For about the first week I was getting zero aim assist which went away after resetting everything to default. The next problem is the triggers are way too sensitive. This controller has potential to be great, but they have to fix the trigger problems
I've had my controller about 2 weeks, and the right stick is drifting already. The profiles will change at random as well, sometimes the rear buttons will actually flip top to bottom, also seemingly at random. I don't understand.
Looks interesting is there hall effect sticks? No mention of it. Stick drift is real and should of been a talking point IMO. I hope the controller is repairable.
Got burned by this company twice back in my console days with warranty and customer service. Controllers don't last more than 4 months before the paddles start having issues. Glad to see they're upping the warranty to 1 year but I still would have a hard time trusting them again with my money's worth without being a youtuber/"influencer" who can promote their products.
Great review. I really wish the extra bumpers were in the middle of the controller instead of on the sides. I've been using the Razer Wolverine v2 Chroma not because it's the best, but because it's the only controller on the market with 6 additional buttons that I can actually use.
As a long-time SCUF customer, I feel they did the envision a disservice with the side by side sticks. In my opinion, ergonomically, the asymmetric layout is superior. In fact, I feel SCUF's best PS4 controller was the Vantage with asymmetric sticks. The side by side sticks, I feel, are a throwback to when Sony first introduced analog joysticks to the PS1 controller. The dual analog controller, quite rightly, minimized the changes to the stickless controller by squeezing the thumbsticks in at the bottom. After all, most of the early games did not support analog sticks. Whether by inertia or conscious design, Sony has stuck with what I feel is an outdated placement. Regardless, of what Sony does, in the PC space, where controllers are used, the asymmetric option is predominant. SCUF should either have provided asymmetric and side-by-side variants or used the PC user preferred asymmetric thumbsticks. As it now stands, I feel the best SCUF PC controller is the SCUF Gaming Instinct Pro designed for the Xbox Series X. It's got all the features you like on the Envision. It, of course, does not have the 5 G-keys but I'd rather forego a few bells & whistles rather than sacrifice something as fundamental as proper stick placement.
SOLID review of this controller! For MW3 I think im going the convert route as well. Been MnK for about 6 yrs after switching from controller and just like you it's been a total shit show lmao. But with enough practice I'll be up there! I have an Elite V1 but definitely going to pick up this Scuffed after this review! Keep at it with the sticks man!
So I ran out and bought this immediately after watching this review and holy shit am I glad I did. For someone who has only used the OEM controllers for consoles and the Xbox Series 2 Elite or whatever it's called, this thing is a country mile better than those. I liked the Elite controller at first but it's developed a "sticky essay" when the triggers are first pushed every time and the rubber grip always makes my hands feel tacky. It felt like a nice upgrade over the OEMs but this thing blows it out of the water. The switches are so incredibly nice to actuate, build quality is superb, ergonomics are great, I'm having a hard time finding any nitpicks, it's THAT good. I'm about to purchase their PS5 controller now. If you're on the fence then I thoroughly recommend grabbing it!
2:17 are the actual modules replaceable, or only the top joysticks? It's the modules themselves that get the drift issues, not the stick casings... They need to be fully replaceable like the DualEdge controller at this price.
Scuf Controllers are plagued with stick drift. The quality control issues on my Vantage were so immense that I eventually just gave the controller away and switched to the Astro C40 which was much easier to deal with. I'm definitely not falling for this again.
CoD is so chalked on MnK... I don't understand why they're so obsessed with forcing everyone together instead of having proper input-based matchmaking. I guess it works better for their matchmaking bs algorithm.
I have had nothing but software issues with this controller I returned my first one got another and it’s exactly the same. The g key option is darkened out so I don’t even have the option to change these. I can the select the other buttons but once I changed them the won’t actually work as selected. When it’s in wireless mode it will kinda work but icue doesn’t register it as connected. After doing some research seems like there’s so many people having software issues.
yeah I would not buy this when others offer pads with hall effect sticks for cheaper. Then again I dont use controller nor play anything that would give such an advantage
lmfao... This is like me. I'm so used to M&KB for FPS games, that when I try to swap to a controller, I feel like I'm so uncoordinated, I can barely tie my shoes. But, I feel like I want to put the time into it to get used to it. I'd prob ably pick up the SCUF Reflex Pro over this, though, so I could also use it on my PS5.
Question..when you tried it on console..did you try using the adapter you can buy? Like a brook or cronus? those devices allow you to use any controller on any console.
I'm wondering if it's just me, but I loose wireless connectivity and back buttons don't configure right. But like you I suck at controller not sure if it's worth it
@@TheCretaFamily Yep, ran it for like 4-5 hours on the beta yesterday. Feels amazing - especially with the improved movement. FWIW its the only gaming keyboard I use since it launched over a year ago. I test a lot of stuff but always go back to the wooting.
I asked SCUF about the polling rate and they said: Hello, Thank you for contacting Scuf Gaming Support! I asked about this for you, and I am sorry to say that we are working on figuring out the exact details at this time. What I can tell you is that the Envision is optimized for 1k polling, and overclocking the PC is not necessary. I hope this helps for now, and we will get more information about overclocking at a later date!
Best regards, SCUF Nick Customer Support Associate
@@LifeWithYourMum oh so basically Xbox and ps controllers come with a Hz (refresh rate) of 250ms. PS4 controllers can go up to 1000hz which is what like 99% of cod pros use. That’s good
Physically they are not - easily. THough I'm sure you could DIY it if you were handy with a soldering iron. I'm still waiting on a statement from Corsair/Scuf about whether that will be included in the 1 year warranty
Is it possible to treat the back keys as completely separate? As in, not use them as "second" buttons but completely unique inputs? That's my main gripe with the Xbox Elite Controllers.
Yep, that's entirely possible. You're not just moving one controller input to another input, you have the full scope of any input you can have on your mouse and keyboard as well.
Hopefully the sticks being easily swappable means they’re compatible with Hall effect replacements? Btw lowering your ADS multiplier really helps with aiming in cod. I’m currently going through the same process of relearning from m/kb
@@badseedtech The price and the features of the scuff aside how would you compare it against an PS5 and XSX controller? Comfort, compatibility etc. Is it detected as a Xbox Controller on Windows? So i can play every game with it aka replace my Xbox Controller with it? I'm currently only interested in replacing it with something that has back buttons, but it has to be rock solid like the original ones. I wished for the review to be a bit more in-depth because the elite series 2 controller for example is an absolute mess. It has so many flaws and quality control issues it's unusable (for example the sticks are not centered, have a lot of deadzone, the a button and also some other buttons sometimes don't register or even get stuck, parts can shake inside etc.
I love the elite paddles compared to these new scuf "triggers". I still have my OG scuf elite and I tried to replace it with an impact pro and I just couldn't do it. Sent it back after 5 minutes of use. I use my ring fingers to hit the bottom paddles on the elite, and it's so much better than using your middle finger since it's hard to move your middle finger without moving your pointer finger. I mean, hold your hand out in front of you and move your pointer finger up and down. Compare how much your middle finger moves compared your ring when you do this.
Omron switches for buttons are all good but companies should really do away with potentiometer joysticks. Or if they're charging for this price, the joysticks should be easily replaceable w/o soldering.
I use mostly controller for pc gaming . Even at a disadvantage I prefer a controller (with exceptions on certain games feeling better with M&K) so this controller is intriguing to me
It depends on the game you’re playing, but controller generally isn’t at a disadvantage to mnk in games like COD, apex, or halo. You could debate which one is better, but it’d be hard without definitive numbers for all player ranges. Obviously no mnk in COD multiplayer, but in the recent world series of warzone tournament, only 5 out of the over 100 players were on mnk, with the best performing placing in 5th place (the top mnk player in the game with 2 teammates on controller). Apex has 9/10 of it’s top players on controller, and Halo had to add bullet magnetism to mnk as they released their engagement win %s a while back and mnk was behind by around 5%. I think for non competitive/esports players it’s less clear, since mnk may be more intuitive, but controller isn’t at a disadvantage overall, and has great potential.
Lot a questions about Hall Effect sticks. Nope, these are the same ALPS encoders that Scuf uses on all their controllers. But I'm sure they'll be seeing all the feedback. I'm not a big controller player so I've never smoked one to the point where it developed stick drift, but it looks like a long term review will be in order. Drop your favorite HE PC controllers in the comments and I'll pick one up for comparison.
That settles it for me, Nacon with Hall effect for me!
I don't think I've ever had stick drift with a single controller since the PS1 era original DualShock, idk why this is always such a hot topic with controllers. People need to stop pushing so hard on the joysticks or throwing your controller down the stairs and it will work just fine. Even my Switch Joy-Cons are still pristine with no joystick issues or stick drift.
@@jj515789 I can assure you that I have never been rough or have I throw my controller around. I grew up poor and I appreciate everything I have ever bought with my money. Yet all my controller have developed stick drifts, every single one of them, some drifts earlier than other. I am not using them for things that’s required heavy stick movements such as fighting games, just regular gaming.
the guilikit kingkong 2 pro
I stopped using Scuf controllers years ago, because they’re so unreliable. I’m PlayStation gamer and I literally had 3 Scuf controllers and every single one after about 6 months to a year of heavy use they start to really go wrong
I’m now using the PS5 Edge controller and it’s literally the best. Stick drift? No problem, just buy a new stick module for £20 and you’re done and the whole controller itself is solid
For all the talk about hall effect switches, hall effect joysticks should be mandatory. Especially at this price point. All those features look amazing, but they won't matter once the sticks drift.
Especially as there are some significantly cheaper controllers that do have hall effect sticks (like 8bitdo and Gulikit)
Right? Especially since Hall Effect modules cost just as much as regular ones, why not? Like @vonbellum said, 8bitdo, Gulikit, and the one I use, GameSir can pump out quality, cheap controllers with them. Wish they would do wireless as well though.
VKs channel covers controllers that do have them
Best part of this is
You can learn the drift right from the beginning
Because all scuffs from me and my friends were broken in the first 2weeks to 3 months
Dude literally. This is how I feel too. It's absolutely absurd that they don't include those in this.
no hall effect joysticks feels like a huge miss. would like to see a long term review
Scuf did it on purpose to charge users for repairs
I can almost sort of get why scuf didn't put HE modules in their ps5 and Xbox controllers, but there is no excuse for a custom pc controller and it's a deal breaker for me.
With everything how it is they don't make any difference with how they are developed. The technology just isn't there yet to make a big enough difference to make it worth swapping to
Scuff are very well known for having quality/build issues, I'd like to see a longterm usage of this.
I can't recommend them, I got tired of sending it back for repairs
you can see the misaligned panels in some of the closeups soo...
sure but the quality has significantly improved since corsair bought them
This felt like watching an ad.
cause it is, all those unboxing channels are just ads masked as reviews
I can't believe a company like Scuf releases a PC only controller and omits Hall Effect sticks... Can these companies read the room already? Anybody serious about gaming wants Hall Sticks... The only controllers I am even giving the time of day need to have that in them.. I am not paying for a "pro" controller $100+ that does not have hall effect sticks. AND in fact I am willing to spend for that!! I have 2 pro controllers on order right now, the new Nacon Revolution with hall effects and a custom PS5 controller with Hall Effect. I am not spending $100+ for stick drift in 3-4 months sorry.
Take notes and try again Scuf, because by the looks of the comments I see a lot noting no hall effects...
They know exactly what they are doing... 🤑
They know exactly what they are doing... 🤑
@@aacc-sy3sd , yea it's possible could be a money play with the old replacement mentality. Or it could be a safe play since Hall Sticks do feel different, there is an adjustment period, but the accuracy is just insane I have been using the Nacon one and man it's like night and day accuracy , even your movements register faster or actually accurate in game to the extent you can escape situations you can't with ALPS.
If scuf updates this with Hall sticks I'd be interested because I do think the fact you can bind keyboard buttons to it would make this a superior PC option. A few tweaks and they probably are on to somewhat of a game breaking standard. So, SCUF it's up to you now to listen and deliver.
A pc FPS focused controller without gyro compatibility is never going to get close to mouse and keyboard in my opinion. Gyro is the next step for making aim as close to 1:1, using it with flick stick is incredible. Highly recommend testing with a PS5 Pad or Switch Pro controller.
It doesn't have gyro? If true that is a big misstep.
No gyro is an absolute joke
I agree. No gyro is a huge miss. I'm a PC M&K player, but early this year I was laid in bed due to a broken ankle, so I used a PS5 pad + gyro and it was crazy how much better I could aim compared to sticks alone in CoD. And more importantly, it felt way better and more intuitive.
ps5 pad?
Oh boy this shouldn't encite any controversy haha
"Necessary evil" is 100% true but the strength of AA now in contrast to what it used to be is night and day. That is the issue, it's become so much stronger it's no longer AA but soft-aimlock.
After using 3 custom scuf controls and not a single one of them lasting more than 4 months ima stick to M&K for fps. For RPGs I'll use my core with a 2 year Amazon warranty
any chance you could tell us the Hz of this controller?
5:29 Thanks for this. I could not figure out why my controller was acting weird with my Wooting keyboard. This fixed it. I had no idea the keyboard even had this setting.
This is everything we could dream for in a PC controller, but the sticks man..... This will set the standard for pc controllers, but Scuf needs to elimate the need for a new contoller every 3-4 months first.
No controller worth its weight in quality and price should be breaking in 4 months. It wasn't until the late 2010's that I noticed controllers started breaking so easily and quality control went to rock bottom. Before that every controller I would buy would never break and last for years and years. Now most controllers I get just break in months, or in a year if I'm lucky. I went through 4 Xbox controllers breaking and 3 Switch controllers either Pro controllers with inaccurate dpads or joycons with stick drift.
@@ADreamingTraveler yes I’m curious to see if the stick drift modifiers on ICue software can really make a difference or not. But the 1 year warranty is actually promising because I’d literally just replace it after 364 days just to be safe lol
Gamesir and Flydigi offer superior controllers for a mere fraction of the price. They also come equipped with Hall Effect joysticks, which is something that should be standard in controllers by now, especially one's in this price point.
Loved the vantage and happy to see they brought back the side buttons. Love M&K, but only use scuf when wanting to use a controller for a game.
Great review homie. Very thorough with awesome insights.
3:59 Thanks so much for being straight with it LOL!!! You had me almost thinking about giving up MnK for a controller and that aim assist glory.
lol i'm nothing if not transparent
As always excellent
No hall effect sticks? I just bought the epomaker controller that's styled like an Xbox controller and that has hall effect switches with 2 back buttons and the mouse switches for buttons. It looks like a nice controller but I only payed like $60 for that.
I've been using Razor's Wolverine controller for certain PC games for a few years now and absolutely love it.....BeamNG driving, DayZ SA driving or flying specifically (not while on foot), Red Dead 2 Story(never even touched MP lol) ECT..... it's literally like a better built Xbox One Elite controller, but with a tiny touch of configurable RGB at the top and of course, the best feature, wired(a nice braided cable). I don't know how many hours I have using it, quite a bit I assume, and everything still works like the day I bought it, it's fantastic.
As an Ps5 Player i go cry in the Corner.... BUT finaly an honest and detailed Review that create clarity!! Thanks men follow is save
my man got the sharpest 3d rendered beard ive ever seen... props to whoever crafted such monument
Dude, love the beard. I also just ordered the Envision Pro controller over the weekend........waiting impatiently on its arrival. ;)
Thanks man! Hope you like the controller.
5:29 how did you get your maxwell to look like that?
Found out it's the ultraviolet edition
does this controller show up as an xbox controller or a ps5 controller?
Ngl id love this for my pc single player stuff. might have to be a pickup, I LOVE the design visually and the pad looks maybe good enough to play fighters on as well. Apparently hall effect sticks are a thing which I did not know at all so maybe thats the one thing they can take back to the lab for this one, because it otherwise looks like a win to me.
This video was also hilarious. Great work. The shot lighting you used for this was really really it.
So sad this doesn't have hall effect sticks, instant dealbreaker for me, and it was so close..
Someone on Scuf design team having the biggest “I told you so” moment over the hall effect sensor, or rather lack there of.
It’s been out of stock so I haven’t been able to get it yet but it also makes me hopeful that the series elite 3 will also knock it out of the park in order to compete with this beast of a controller.
"It besmirched the great [TEGA] name" is exactly how I felt being forced to play the MWIII beta on a PS5 as opposed to on my PC. "Wet garbage" is an undeserved compliment to my gameplay on that thing.
For PC gaming, I recommend the Azeron Cyborg more than any game controller.
You get the advantage of an analog joystick to replace AWSD with the 28 programmable keys. You can just put the entire keyboard aside and just have the Cyborg and the mouse on your desk for gaming.
Also with the Cyborg you can just program the buttons to correspond to a simplified standard XBox controller layout, and not have to deal with so many key binds of a keyboard layout.
This is a good solution for PC players, as well as gamers moving from console to PC. For console gamers it gives them something familiar with an analog stick to control movement and a mouse for aiming.
For PC players it gives them the ultimate control of analog stick for movement, and 28 keys to create as many key bind profiles as possible for each of your games.
its looks ridiculous. only a 12y old child would like that asthetic bro
Very curious to try this in fighting games. All Omron buttons sounds amazing.
Worth noting as the splatoon competitive community can attest, gyro aiming is a good middle ground between thumbstick & mouse
While I don't play COD on controller, this seems to be the only controller so far that allows for full remap. My DS5 has been having issues connecting and have been looking for an alternative for DS4Windows being able to remap everything, and for me, alt-tabbing is the most important while playing casual games able to alt+tab and instantly change to a profile where I can use the controller to navigate the PC with the sticks as the mouse and the triggers as left click or right click, then press the button again to alt-tab back into the game and switch again to the gaming profile.
Been looking for companies like Razer and Logitech to do this, didn't expect Corsair/Scuf to be the one to bring custom mapping to a wireless controller. Like it didn't make sense to me that's it's never happened when we have mice with all these remap abilities pushing $150+
If the quality on this is good, there’s no point in getting an elite series 2 anymore, but via steam input or rewasd, you can fully remap the elite series 2. All the buttons, paddles, etc and works just as this would. Can’t recommend it though, as both of the 2 elite series 2 controllers i tried needed a 10% deadzone out of the box, but not every one has this issue.
Steam input supports automatic switching between desktop and game profiles, it seems a little buggy when using with non steam games, but can work still if you add them to steam and launch them from there. If you aren’t concerned about the extra buttons the envision has, steam input will be the best option for your ds4/5. Rewasd has separate profiles that I can’t remember if you had to manually switch or not since my free trial ran out.
I have been using this controller for just under a month. For about the first week I was getting zero aim assist which went away after resetting everything to default. The next problem is the triggers are way too sensitive. This controller has potential to be great, but they have to fix the trigger problems
Great honest review
I've had my controller about 2 weeks, and the right stick is drifting already. The profiles will change at random as well, sometimes the rear buttons will actually flip top to bottom, also seemingly at random. I don't understand.
Looks interesting is there hall effect sticks? No mention of it. Stick drift is real and should of been a talking point IMO. I hope the controller is repairable.
Got burned by this company twice back in my console days with warranty and customer service. Controllers don't last more than 4 months before the paddles start having issues. Glad to see they're upping the warranty to 1 year but I still would have a hard time trusting them again with my money's worth without being a youtuber/"influencer" who can promote their products.
Great review. I really wish the extra bumpers were in the middle of the controller instead of on the sides. I've been using the Razer Wolverine v2 Chroma not because it's the best, but because it's the only controller on the market with 6 additional buttons that I can actually use.
Do you speed up your talking head footage? It feels like you're moving at 125% speed.
Hey Brian, what's the polling rate on this bad boy, and can you overclock it?
Great review; definitely subscribing. Unfortunately, no hall effect sticks; no deal.
As a long-time SCUF customer, I feel they did the envision a disservice with the side by side sticks. In my opinion, ergonomically, the asymmetric layout is superior. In fact, I feel SCUF's best PS4 controller was the Vantage with asymmetric sticks. The side by side sticks, I feel, are a throwback to when Sony first introduced analog joysticks to the PS1 controller. The dual analog controller, quite rightly, minimized the changes to the stickless controller by squeezing the thumbsticks in at the bottom. After all, most of the early games did not support analog sticks.
Whether by inertia or conscious design, Sony has stuck with what I feel is an outdated placement. Regardless, of what Sony does, in the PC space, where controllers are used, the asymmetric option is predominant. SCUF should either have provided asymmetric and side-by-side variants or used the PC user preferred asymmetric thumbsticks.
As it now stands, I feel the best SCUF PC controller is the SCUF Gaming Instinct Pro designed for the Xbox Series X. It's got all the features you like on the Envision. It, of course, does not have the 5 G-keys but I'd rather forego a few bells & whistles rather than sacrifice something as fundamental as proper stick placement.
SOLID review of this controller! For MW3 I think im going the convert route as well. Been MnK for about 6 yrs after switching from controller and just like you it's been a total shit show lmao. But with enough practice I'll be up there! I have an Elite V1 but definitely going to pick up this Scuffed after this review! Keep at it with the sticks man!
So I ran out and bought this immediately after watching this review and holy shit am I glad I did. For someone who has only used the OEM controllers for consoles and the Xbox Series 2 Elite or whatever it's called, this thing is a country mile better than those. I liked the Elite controller at first but it's developed a "sticky essay" when the triggers are first pushed every time and the rubber grip always makes my hands feel tacky. It felt like a nice upgrade over the OEMs but this thing blows it out of the water. The switches are so incredibly nice to actuate, build quality is superb, ergonomics are great, I'm having a hard time finding any nitpicks, it's THAT good. I'm about to purchase their PS5 controller now. If you're on the fence then I thoroughly recommend grabbing it!
2:17 are the actual modules replaceable, or only the top joysticks? It's the modules themselves that get the drift issues, not the stick casings... They need to be fully replaceable like the DualEdge controller at this price.
Is there gyro support?
Whoa, so if it uses slipstream, can you connect your other Corsair slipstream stuff to this dongle too?
I guess I must be shielded from this entire conversation as a CS player main with a minor in valorant, who never liked CoD.
Can the controller be overclocked to a 1000hz polling rate?
I mainly play Cod and once i switched to m&kb i can never go back to controller
Give Gulikit King Kong Pro 2 a try. Packs a couple more features like gyroscope and cross compatibility, and has hall effect sticks.
I want to see a follow up video in 6 months when its broken??
Is that a question?
With no Hall effect sticks to make sure you have to buy a new one in 6 months when it starts drifting. Classic Scuf.
Scuf Controllers are plagued with stick drift. The quality control issues on my Vantage were so immense that I eventually just gave the controller away and switched to the Astro C40 which was much easier to deal with. I'm definitely not falling for this again.
There is technically the 8bitdo Ultimate controller as well that is a solid buy for both PC and console alike.
can u remap the back bottens to right stick command? like up, left, A,X?
I wonder if its more competitive than their ps5 version
Can you overclock this controller?
Hall effect should be the standard…particularly with premium controllers like this.
CoD is so chalked on MnK... I don't understand why they're so obsessed with forcing everyone together instead of having proper input-based matchmaking. I guess it works better for their matchmaking bs algorithm.
Is the middle like the PS touchscreen?
I have had nothing but software issues with this controller I returned my first one got another and it’s exactly the same. The g key option is darkened out so I don’t even have the option to change these. I can the select the other buttons but once I changed them the won’t actually work as selected. When it’s in wireless mode it will kinda work but icue doesn’t register it as connected. After doing some research seems like there’s so many people having software issues.
This is dope
Going to be a great upgrade from the Reflex!!
do you have a video planned reviewing the new razer hunstman v3 im kinda curious if it got the blackwidow v4 treatment
I do. And it didn't. There's no deadzone on the switches any more, but its still rattly and hollow.
@@badseedtech dang thats actually kinda dissapointing i was hoping they could keep the ball rolling with how good the V4 was
Scuff have very bad reputation for drifting after few months of usage. On another matter, COD aim assist is an aimbot with any controller 😂😂
yeah I would not buy this when others offer pads with hall effect sticks for cheaper. Then again I dont use controller nor play anything that would give such an advantage
lmfao... This is like me. I'm so used to M&KB for FPS games, that when I try to swap to a controller, I feel like I'm so uncoordinated, I can barely tie my shoes. But, I feel like I want to put the time into it to get used to it. I'd prob ably pick up the SCUF Reflex Pro over this, though, so I could also use it on my PS5.
Hows the battery life?
About 17 hours
Question..when you tried it on console..did you try using the adapter you can buy? Like a brook or cronus? those devices allow you to use any controller on any console.
CoD can now detect Cronus' and will ban you for using one. No point in having one for CoD
Do you know if the Xbox pc app recognise it as an Xbox controller?
I'm wondering if it's just me, but I loose wireless connectivity and back buttons don't configure right. But like you I suck at controller not sure if it's worth it
I thought I read that Wooting doesn't work with CoD (analog keys). Is that not true?
The analog emu portion does not but all the other features do - setting actuation point, rapid trigger, dks, etc - all work totally fine
@@badseedtech man I wish the analog part worked but good to know. I've held off hoping MW3 would support it. Have you tried it with the MW3 beta?
@@TheCretaFamily Yep, ran it for like 4-5 hours on the beta yesterday. Feels amazing - especially with the improved movement. FWIW its the only gaming keyboard I use since it launched over a year ago. I test a lot of stuff but always go back to the wooting.
Wait does MW3 support the analog?
I asked SCUF about the polling rate and they said:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Scuf Gaming Support!
I asked about this for you, and I am sorry to say that we are working on figuring out the exact details at this time. What I can tell you is that the Envision is optimized for 1k polling, and overclocking the PC is not necessary. I hope this helps for now, and we will get more information about overclocking at a later date!
Best regards,
SCUF Nick
Customer Support Associate
Is this good? I know nothing about OCing a controller lol
@@LifeWithYourMum oh so basically Xbox and ps controllers come with a Hz (refresh rate) of 250ms. PS4 controllers can go up to 1000hz which is what like 99% of cod pros use. That’s good
one thing, why does it say, only compatable witj windows 10? so it wont work on 11 cant be ?
Really tempted to get these wonder if the sticks are replaceable when I get drift
Physically they are not - easily. THough I'm sure you could DIY it if you were handy with a soldering iron. I'm still waiting on a statement from Corsair/Scuf about whether that will be included in the 1 year warranty
@@badseedtech ok thanks a lot great review
Is it possible to treat the back keys as completely separate? As in, not use them as "second" buttons but completely unique inputs? That's my main gripe with the Xbox Elite Controllers.
Yep, that's entirely possible. You're not just moving one controller input to another input, you have the full scope of any input you can have on your mouse and keyboard as well.
Random question what mouse you rockin there near the end, I can’t tell what that is 😅
That's the Pulsar X2 H Size 2 and its a monster. Hasn't left my desk since it showed up.
@@badseedtech ah ok I can see that now, I have the og pulsar x2 mini. Great vid keep up the good work man
Hopefully the sticks being easily swappable means they’re compatible with Hall effect replacements?
Btw lowering your ADS multiplier really helps with aiming in cod. I’m currently going through the same process of relearning from m/kb
My Xbox controller I got for PC always seems to break once it hits 1 yr old. Happened 3x already. After this one breaks, maybe I’ll pick this one up.
If this worked on Xbox also I would have gotten it. Sad.
Most important to make use of aim assist is to be moving while shooting that activates it.
Im still getting used to mine because I’ve always been using my scuf impact im just used to the feel of the lightness of the impact
You had me for a sec there. Controller - aim God? 😂
All the additional stuff aside. How is the core of this controller? I mean just the plain controller stuff compared to XSX and PS5
I'm not sure I follow?
@@badseedtech The price and the features of the scuff aside how would you compare it against an PS5 and XSX controller? Comfort, compatibility etc. Is it detected as a Xbox Controller on Windows? So i can play every game with it aka replace my Xbox Controller with it? I'm currently only interested in replacing it with something that has back buttons, but it has to be rock solid like the original ones. I wished for the review to be a bit more in-depth because the elite series 2 controller for example is an absolute mess. It has so many flaws and quality control issues it's unusable (for example the sticks are not centered, have a lot of deadzone, the a button and also some other buttons sometimes don't register or even get stuck, parts can shake inside etc.
I love the elite paddles compared to these new scuf "triggers". I still have my OG scuf elite and I tried to replace it with an impact pro and I just couldn't do it. Sent it back after 5 minutes of use. I use my ring fingers to hit the bottom paddles on the elite, and it's so much better than using your middle finger since it's hard to move your middle finger without moving your pointer finger. I mean, hold your hand out in front of you and move your pointer finger up and down. Compare how much your middle finger moves compared your ring when you do this.
Omron switches for buttons are all good but companies should really do away with potentiometer joysticks.
Or if they're charging for this price, the joysticks should be easily replaceable w/o soldering.
Remember when you didn't need any of that to be a good player. Good old days
Need what? Aim assist?
for the EU people, they have a warehouse in the Netherlands soo that saves some import costs!
this or the 8bitdo wireless?
I'd buy it, if it had hall effect. There are no excuses in this price range, for not having it.
My 2 questions:
Whats the input latency stock/ overclocked?
Can you fit kontrol freaks on the joysticks?
kontrolfreeks yes but you cant overclock a scuf.
@@flowsy5294 you can overclock all other scufs?
and which kontrolfreeks? xbox or ps?
Does anyone know if the thumbsticks modules are compatible with other thumbsticks such as PS5 stock sticks?
Is it better than Razer Wolverine V2?
I haven’t tried the Wolverine, but this is everything I would want in a PC controller and its *significantly* cheaper than the Wolverine V2 wireless
Does this controller have swappable faceplates?
yep
@@badseedtech Nice. Ty.
SCUF has had a lot of QC issues ever since they got bought out by Corsair
I use mostly controller for pc gaming . Even at a disadvantage I prefer a controller (with exceptions on certain games feeling better with M&K) so this controller is intriguing to me
It depends on the game you’re playing, but controller generally isn’t at a disadvantage to mnk in games like COD, apex, or halo. You could debate which one is better, but it’d be hard without definitive numbers for all player ranges.
Obviously no mnk in COD multiplayer, but in the recent world series of warzone tournament, only 5 out of the over 100 players were on mnk, with the best performing placing in 5th place (the top mnk player in the game with 2 teammates on controller). Apex has 9/10 of it’s top players on controller, and Halo had to add bullet magnetism to mnk as they released their engagement win %s a while back and mnk was behind by around 5%.
I think for non competitive/esports players it’s less clear, since mnk may be more intuitive, but controller isn’t at a disadvantage overall, and has great potential.
No Hall effect sticks and no gyro makes this controller doa for pc play for me
They put in hall effect joysticks then maybe i'd consider them..