Even just looking at the UBW route so far, you can see how much F/SN was used as a reference for the later F/Zero. Saber is injured in her first battle with Lancer and starts out at a disadvantage, Kirei's servants are mainly tasked with reconnaissance, Lancer commits suicide, and Saber disappears after using Excalibur with her final Command Spell. Gilgamesh never acknowledges Shirou, continuing to call him a "fake" and insignificant, and as a result, he hesitates to the very end about whether to use Ea, which he has refused to even show to anyone except those he acknowledges, and the moment he tried to use it, he lost. If Gilgamesh had acknowledged Shirou and destroyed it in the first move like in his fight with Rider in F/Zero, the outcome would not have been like this. And what was most humiliating for Gilgamesh was that, until then, no matter who he fought, he had only ever looked down on his opponents from a high place, but for the first time he was looking up at someone, and so he retracted what he had said, chose to use Ea even though it meant throwing away his pride, and lost the moment he grabbed it. In the end, Archer was good at pretending to be dead, but no one could see through it (there are several reasons for this). He rested in the forest to conserve energy so he wouldn't disappear. Then, at the end, he let his hair down, smiled, and called out "Tohsaka" fondly, in the same tone as Shirou, before truly leaving. Shirou follows the same path as Archer, but the process is already different; Archer believed until the very end that his dreams would come true someday, but Shirou now understands that they will not, which is why the chants of their UBWs are different. Archer had no one by his side to stop him from being reckless, but Shirou has Rin by his side so the same ending will not happen.
All characters in stay night series are such good character, Rins and Shirous realtionship is soo unique i love it. Also yea fight against Gil is peak.
So, about Archer being alive at the end. It was all a deception by him vanishing last second before the final blow of gilgamesh, vanishing in spirit form does the exact same visual effect as dying as a servant, pretty clever twist.
@@food2103 arent counter guardians killing machines? if he was summoned as one he would have killed everyboy on the area i think. Becouse thats how they work, they take care of the problem without mercy of the innocent just to fullfill their mission to save humanity as a whole.
@@food2103 unfortunately the entire point of the grail is to get to the root without attracting counter force's attention....so no.Tho there was a couple examples of it summoning a counter guardian without nuking everything on sight.....i can remember Fate/zero event in grand order,Samurai Remnant and Koha Ace (tho that one should not be taken too seriously)
19:05 Well, that`s the Emiya theme for you. It got more than 20 remixes over the years, for every version and every occasion. Even Kiritsugu and Illya has their own versions)
"There is no rule stating that the fake can’t surpass the original!" Fitting that the man who is a fake and all about copying would also have a theme with over 10 fucking versions of it! And they keep getting better too.
Yes please read the visual novel! Arturia and her and shirous relationship is one of my favorites ever! You definitely don't get it from the adaptions!
16:30 Curiously, in UBW route, Saber only uses her strongest Noble Phantasm, and reveals her sword, for the final battle. In contrast to Fate route, in that she revealed her sword much earlier, and was using her strongest Noble Phantasm in several situations.
I absolutely can't wait to see your reaction to the Heavens Feel movies. You're gonna have your mind blown, and you're going to learn A LOT of Fate lore. Thought that you couldn't hate Shinji more than you already do? Think again.
one thing about ubw is that it's much faster than Gate of babylon, because all the swords are already there, gilgamesh has to chose the wepons and open the portal what makes the process much slower, so that's why in terms of speed Shirou can win, as show in the episode he was even breaking the portals before Gilgamesh could shot his wepons
Shirou is like 7th person in history who achieved Reality Marble as human being. Normal mage would have to spend decades, if not hundred years to make it. Shirou did it in less than two weeks in UBW with help of Archer. Without it, he would reach it in 10-20 years. Because he was insane from the start, having mindset that is basically alien to other humans, which is key component for this type of magic. From the other side, this is basically the only thing he can do.
I mean all servants are heavly nerfed do to summoning, class they are in, and the fact they are heroic spirits which most of them were more op in life and bcs of Alaya and story writing they got nerfed to not destroy the planet or end war in one night xd. If you want to play vn thats good and you could watch 2006 in your time if you dont want to upload it also the OVA is another ending to UBW route and in vn you have way more ending bcs shirou actually doesnt have armor plot
So the archer part is interpretation some people think he survived others think he died and was re summons as a counter guardian it’s never clarified but Gilgamesh has a physical body so the grail went magic circuits physical body Gilgamesh has the best so nom nom free vessel
Basically, the Gate of Babylon is like have all the equipment in the post-game. While the UBW, is like a Cheat code that grant you access to all the gear since the beginning.
I was talking like some videogames, in that you can play them fairly and get all the equipments, weapons and gears. Then, keep them to the newgame plus, in the case of Gate of Babylon. While in the case of UBW, its like when you prefers to plays the videogames through Cheat codes and/or Mods, allowing you get earlier the advanced weapons. Making you capable from more poweress, than playing it fairly.
@@josecuestas7246 that's a bit too vague of an example.....and misleading at that...Gilgameshes treasury keep's expanding to this day due to new tehnologies appearing and not every treasury that he collected during his time were collected by him,it was done by his citizens.And in Archer/Shirou case it's not as easy as saw the weapon and you have it:no,he recreates the entire history of it's creation and it's existance due to the point when he saw it.....then it's slowly constructed within his reality marble using his own body to produce the nececary heat for it's forgery whitch eventually resulted in his skin being so smug.......so if you meant to say that Gilgamesh grinded and Shirou just had it easy you are mistaken .
Yeah, its some hard to explain with a particular example, as i watched several videogames from many genres; first person shooters, horror, RPG and onlines. Games in that you can keep all your items after win them. But also, i watched videos from Mods and Hacks from them. Like Resident Evil, Grand Theft Auto, Dark Souls or Final Fantasy. Nevertheless, you also have a point, maybe the UBW isn't exactly a "Cheat code", as Shirou cannot simply used this power so easily, it implies a notable control to manages it. But for other side, some "Cheat codes", "Mods" and "Hacks", can need from an expert in hacking, to program them, making that an average player cannot get access to this. Just like the UBW, that only Shirou and Archer managed to get access this power.
Well, regarding which route is the best, its depend from which is your favorite shipping or your favorite outcomes. Though that since several perspectives, UBW route can have the most happy ending, if we consider the Good Ending.
@ Although I do think Tohsaka is the best, I don’t actually think she’s the one that makes UBW the greatest, that’d prob be Archer and Shirou, their conclusion is ideal here. The other routes take def interesting, but also less satisfactory turns on Shirou’s conclusion to his philosophy.
@@lothara.schmal5092 Agreed. The most interesting part of UBW, it was Shirou learning more about himself, for Archer EMIYA, allowing him get more resolves in his ideals. While that Rin, despite to the main girl in UBW route, she wasn't the central aspect from the plot, as the story was largely more focused in Archer and Shirou's ideals. Unlike Saber, that was a central aspect in the Fate route, as it was focused in her past and her objectives with the Holy Grail.
@ Ironically I like Sakura the least, but Heaven’s feel is very fun in what it does with Shirou, I just would never take it as my canon, it really feels like a What If tbh. And yeah, Saber is awesome, I wish UBW anime also explored her without the romantic aspect, I just don’t like her as much in the shipping sense, she feels like a true bro in UBW.
@@lothara.schmal5092 Well, in UBW route, Saber is more like a "third wheel", than a romance XD. But yeah, it would be interesting that Saber's past was more explored in UBW route, though that since a different perspective than Fate route.
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Even just looking at the UBW route so far, you can see how much F/SN was used as a reference for the later F/Zero. Saber is injured in her first battle with Lancer and starts out at a disadvantage, Kirei's servants are mainly tasked with reconnaissance, Lancer commits suicide, and Saber disappears after using Excalibur with her final Command Spell.
Gilgamesh never acknowledges Shirou, continuing to call him a "fake" and insignificant, and as a result, he hesitates to the very end about whether to use Ea, which he has refused to even show to anyone except those he acknowledges, and the moment he tried to use it, he lost. If Gilgamesh had acknowledged Shirou and destroyed it in the first move like in his fight with Rider in F/Zero, the outcome would not have been like this. And what was most humiliating for Gilgamesh was that, until then, no matter who he fought, he had only ever looked down on his opponents from a high place, but for the first time he was looking up at someone, and so he retracted what he had said, chose to use Ea even though it meant throwing away his pride, and lost the moment he grabbed it.
In the end, Archer was good at pretending to be dead, but no one could see through it (there are several reasons for this). He rested in the forest to conserve energy so he wouldn't disappear. Then, at the end, he let his hair down, smiled, and called out "Tohsaka" fondly, in the same tone as Shirou, before truly leaving. Shirou follows the same path as Archer, but the process is already different; Archer believed until the very end that his dreams would come true someday, but Shirou now understands that they will not, which is why the chants of their UBWs are different. Archer had no one by his side to stop him from being reckless, but Shirou has Rin by his side so the same ending will not happen.
25:12 Yuki Kajiura made music for Zero and Heavens Feel (and Garden of Sinners too). Main composer of UBW is Hideyuki Fukasawa
All characters in stay night series are such good character, Rins and Shirous realtionship is soo unique i love it. Also yea fight against Gil is peak.
So, about Archer being alive at the end. It was all a deception by him vanishing last second before the final blow of gilgamesh, vanishing in spirit form does the exact same visual effect as dying as a servant, pretty clever twist.
Yeah and considering how low on mana he was no one was able to notice that he didn't died...
Isn’t it that he was re summoned as a full counter guardian this time because Gilgamesh winning would lead to the end
@@food2103 arent counter guardians killing machines?
if he was summoned as one he would have killed everyboy on the area i think. Becouse thats how they work, they take care of the problem without mercy of the innocent just to fullfill their mission to save humanity as a whole.
@@food2103 unfortunately the entire point of the grail is to get to the root without attracting counter force's attention....so no.Tho there was a couple examples of it summoning a counter guardian without nuking everything on sight.....i can remember Fate/zero event in grand order,Samurai Remnant and Koha Ace (tho that one should not be taken too seriously)
19:05 Well, that`s the Emiya theme for you. It got more than 20 remixes over the years, for every version and every occasion. Even Kiritsugu and Illya has their own versions)
"There is no rule stating that the fake can’t surpass the original!"
Fitting that the man who is a fake and all about copying would also have a theme with over 10 fucking versions of it! And they keep getting better too.
The best remix being Muramasa's in FGO, what a banger that is
I hope after episode 25 you will watch Sunny Day Special which is OVA and alternate ending from the visual novel
I will!
Yes please read the visual novel! Arturia and her and shirous relationship is one of my favorites ever! You definitely don't get it from the adaptions!
16:30
Curiously, in UBW route, Saber only uses her strongest Noble Phantasm, and reveals her sword, for the final battle.
In contrast to Fate route, in that she revealed her sword much earlier, and was using her strongest Noble Phantasm in several situations.
I absolutely can't wait to see your reaction to the Heavens Feel movies. You're gonna have your mind blown, and you're going to learn A LOT of Fate lore. Thought that you couldn't hate Shinji more than you already do? Think again.
one thing about ubw is that it's much faster than Gate of babylon, because all the swords are already there, gilgamesh has to chose the wepons and open the portal what makes the process much slower, so that's why in terms of speed Shirou can win, as show in the episode he was even breaking the portals before Gilgamesh could shot his wepons
The reason Archer is still there is simple. Independent Action. He faked his own death and hid himself for the cleanup.
Shirou is like 7th person in history who achieved Reality Marble as human being. Normal mage would have to spend decades, if not hundred years to make it. Shirou did it in less than two weeks in UBW with help of Archer. Without it, he would reach it in 10-20 years. Because he was insane from the start, having mindset that is basically alien to other humans, which is key component for this type of magic. From the other side, this is basically the only thing he can do.
Watch Sunny Day special eps after the last eps if you want to see another ending of Rin's route
I mean all servants are heavly nerfed do to summoning, class they are in, and the fact they are heroic spirits which most of them were more op in life and bcs of Alaya and story writing they got nerfed to not destroy the planet or end war in one night xd. If you want to play vn thats good and you could watch 2006 in your time if you dont want to upload it also the OVA is another ending to UBW route and in vn you have way more ending bcs shirou actually doesnt have armor plot
So the archer part is interpretation some people think he survived others think he died and was re summons as a counter guardian it’s never clarified but Gilgamesh has a physical body so the grail went magic circuits physical body Gilgamesh has the best so nom nom free vessel
definitely not the second option, he wouldn't need to wait for Shirou to fight Gil if he was a guardian at that moment
Basically, the Gate of Babylon is like have all the equipment in the post-game.
While the UBW, is like a Cheat code that grant you access to all the gear since the beginning.
? I didn't get the comparisson......
I was talking like some videogames, in that you can play them fairly and get all the equipments, weapons and gears. Then, keep them to the newgame plus, in the case of Gate of Babylon.
While in the case of UBW, its like when you prefers to plays the videogames through Cheat codes and/or Mods, allowing you get earlier the advanced weapons. Making you capable from more poweress, than playing it fairly.
@@josecuestas7246 that's a bit too vague of an example.....and misleading at that...Gilgameshes treasury keep's expanding to this day due to new tehnologies appearing and not every treasury that he collected during his time were collected by him,it was done by his citizens.And in Archer/Shirou case it's not as easy as saw the weapon and you have it:no,he recreates the entire history of it's creation and it's existance due to the point when he saw it.....then it's slowly constructed within his reality marble using his own body to produce the nececary heat for it's forgery whitch eventually resulted in his skin being so smug.......so if you meant to say that Gilgamesh grinded and Shirou just had it easy you are mistaken .
Yeah, its some hard to explain with a particular example, as i watched several videogames from many genres; first person shooters, horror, RPG and onlines.
Games in that you can keep all your items after win them. But also, i watched videos from Mods and Hacks from them. Like Resident Evil, Grand Theft Auto, Dark Souls or Final Fantasy.
Nevertheless, you also have a point, maybe the UBW isn't exactly a "Cheat code", as Shirou cannot simply used this power so easily, it implies a notable control to manages it.
But for other side, some "Cheat codes", "Mods" and "Hacks", can need from an expert in hacking, to program them, making that an average player cannot get access to this.
Just like the UBW, that only Shirou and Archer managed to get access this power.
27:20 More like that Grail tried to find replacement for it`s core, and Gil was looking like most fitting candidate for that
In the end, Archer called Tosaka, not Rin.
16:57 The OST has the same name btw)
does he knew about the sunny day route?
Yes he does.
12:22 It can make nice reskin of your outfit for example)
And that’s why UBW is the best route. Shirou is a great exploration of what is a hero, same with Kiritsugu really, only a happier conclusion.
Well, regarding which route is the best, its depend from which is your favorite shipping or your favorite outcomes.
Though that since several perspectives, UBW route can have the most happy ending, if we consider the Good Ending.
@ Although I do think Tohsaka is the best, I don’t actually think she’s the one that makes UBW the greatest, that’d prob be Archer and Shirou, their conclusion is ideal here. The other routes take def interesting, but also less satisfactory turns on Shirou’s conclusion to his philosophy.
@@lothara.schmal5092 Agreed. The most interesting part of UBW, it was Shirou learning more about himself, for Archer EMIYA, allowing him get more resolves in his ideals.
While that Rin, despite to the main girl in UBW route, she wasn't the central aspect from the plot, as the story was largely more focused in Archer and Shirou's ideals.
Unlike Saber, that was a central aspect in the Fate route, as it was focused in her past and her objectives with the Holy Grail.
@ Ironically I like Sakura the least, but Heaven’s feel is very fun in what it does with Shirou, I just would never take it as my canon, it really feels like a What If tbh.
And yeah, Saber is awesome, I wish UBW anime also explored her without the romantic aspect, I just don’t like her as much in the shipping sense, she feels like a true bro in UBW.
@@lothara.schmal5092 Well, in UBW route, Saber is more like a "third wheel", than a romance XD.
But yeah, it would be interesting that Saber's past was more explored in UBW route, though that since a different perspective than Fate route.
22:40 Long story short: he faked his own death
Fun fact... If gilgamesh had used EA he would have won lol
As much as I like UBW, Sakura route is my favorite.