"Some men just wanna watch the world burn". That send me chills down my spine. I think Alfred won the fight against the Joker in this simple sentence... he is the only one who see through the Joker
@Adeel ahsen In my opinion it's more that the Bandit wanted to test himself against the caravans/mercenaries, and the loot meant nothing to him. He didn't outright give the gems to children, he just threw them away and the child in the story just happened to find that one. Alfred and his friends were working for the local government, not the British.
@@Projectz1122 I think it was just about perspective. I agree with pro noobs that the bandit didn't like Alfred and his friends corrupting his people and their culture. But Alfred viewed himself and his friends as the good guys. He thought they were saving these savages with "logical" things like money. Meanwhile the bandit thought he was a hero for trying to perserve his culture and way of life even though he was stealing and robbing. Joker pretty talks about people viewing themselves as good when they really aren't throughout the movie. Seemed his biggest obsession was showing people that they aren't as good as they think they are. To the people on that boat,and especially to Batman who wouldn't break his rule.
I love that Alfred doesn’t sugar coat things and tells Bruce that he crossed the line, followed by such an insightful explanation of who they’re really dealing with.
Alfred is the voice of reason, he's not afraid to give Bruce a reality check once in a while. That's what a real parental figure does to help others improve.
Kind of like Khan Noonien Singh when the 'young' Spock talks to the 'old'' Spock and Nimroy tells the 'young' one just how dangerous Khan is and how he will stop at NOTHING to achieve his goals.
@@deafsmith1006I had forgotten that, and I agree. That line from Older Spock doesn't hit QUITE as hard as Alfred's, but it did hit hard in its own right. Thanks for the reminder.
I have to give Michael Caine credit for doing something original with Alfred, instead of the typical "British butler' voice. He gives Alfred a little working-class edge, almost cockney, but not quite.
Michael Caine is a true Cockney; that's his real accent. It's when he uses the "Reserved Pronunciation" British accent that he's putting on a false one. His use of his real accent was considered particularly revolutionary when he began acting, because most actors were expected to adopted a Lawrence Olivier type of RP accent, but Caine made it a point to retain his natural one. I agree; it was fantastic that he was able to play Alfred with it; it made the performance seem that much more natural.
What I like about this Alfred the most is he a character who has life experience outside of the Wayne Family - an understanding of business, people, and like in the first one, also a good natured devious streak “we will have to break the components down, large orders so we don’t attract attention.”
Micheal Caine as Alfred grounds the character; he feels as real as anything else going on in the film, which is what Nolan was attempting to do with the Batman universe in these films. Just another example of film makers who know exactly what the fuck they're doing.
I love how Bruce almost treats Alfred like a father figure since his dad died when he was young. He doesn’t treat him like a butler, more like an sidekick
I also love how when Alfred starts telling this story that seems like an irrelevant tangent at first, Bruce respects him enough to pay complete attention. Bruce knows that Alfred would never tell a story just for the hell of it and trusts that he has an important piece of advice for him.
Most likely it was Burma ww2, in the comics they say he was a ww2 veteran so it wouldn’t be too far of they where buying the loyalty of the tribes from the japanese more than anything
Ophelia what if the real end game is liberation from the human condition, death. Perhaps Joker sees the absurdity of pointless struggle. If the human game is survival at all cost at the expense of most species and the planet, then what good are our institutions and contrived structures or civilisation? Do we ultimately move onto Mars then eventually find other planets to plunder? Do we bounce about the galaxy as bandits? What is rational about life beyond a chemical process our parents succumbed to?
"Some men just want to watch the world burn." This line is so accurate by Alfred. At the time he saw the Joker for what he really was, a man on a war path who isnt driven by any particular reason. Gordon, Dent, and Bruce were all seeing him as someone who just wants to be a mob boss or something along those lines. Later when Joker is talking to Harvey Dent, he himself says hes an "agent of chaos" proving what Alfred said.
I have to disagree. I think Alfred was in the wrong. The bandit was stealing the stones because the British were using them to bribe tribal leaders. In turn, ruining his way of life. Also, while confronted by Batman, he says: “You didn’t think I would risk losing the battle for Gotham’s soul, in a fist fight with you”. To me it sound like he is trying to save Gotham, in a way only he knows how. In the end of the movie, he bankrupted the mob, and had most of those monsters locked up from the Dent Act.
@@Jesus-vb1vc Alfred was working for the Burmese government, not the British. If you watch the scene again, he says they were working for the "local government", the British are never mentioned.
One of the key important factors of The Dark Knight's critical success is Michael Caine's Alfred. Solid performance, approach, and writing. A standing ovation for Sir Michael Caine!
I just realized, that when alfred later says "we burned the forrest down", the criminal who stole the rubies got what he wanted, just like the joker got what he wanted, to see a city's best man brought down to his level
Alfred was the villain here. The bandit was trying to stop the English (Alfred) from corrupting his home in the tribes. The bandit proved they were the villains when the English burned the forest down
@@HughJass-jv2ltA version of Ducard appears in Batman Begins played by Liam Neeson. However, the character is later revealed to be Ra's al Ghul, the "Henri Ducard" identity being put on as misdirection.
@@DeCurtaRican try not to be political all the time mate just cause you believe in different ideology doesn't means the opposing guy is just straight up villain
0:15 "Criminals aren't complicated" is exactly what Ra's al Ghul said in The Dark Knight Begins during the mental fear training. Really like that continuity in the story.
I find it a bit ironic, really. You have a man who wants anarchy, and one who wants to run the world. One will take out whoever is necessary, and the other just for fun. But I would think that Ra's would kill Joker if given the chance, because he knows that Joker would do him in for fun.
'...so why steal them?' 'Well, because he thought it was good sport--' That's my favourite segment of this dialogue. It's the crucial insight to the Joker, his dedication to anarchy - and the subsequent joviality of it all - before it's made abundantly clear to Bruce just a few words later. It was fun for the bandit, and the general character of the Joker is all about the fun. 'Security's gonna be tight--' 'Oh yes! but think of the fun'
Except the way Caine tells the story, it seemed like the thief was on the side of the locals, and was just trying to bring down the value of the diamonds so the government's bribes wouldn't be effective.
What i loved about Michael Caine's portrayal of Alfred was he wasn't your typical butler who would traditionally always say "yes sir", "very good sir" or "master Bruce" or even "Mr. Wayne", this was a man who was always there to give his advice and experiences to Bruce for different situations but was never afraid to tell him that he went too far and also give him the big kick he needs. The dialogue really adds so much maturity to the scene and Michael Caine's performance in the Dark Knight Trilogy is nothing but pure first class
I know I’m late but if heath gave just an average performance as the joker.. Caine’s Pennyworth performance might be included in best supporting actor nomination.
What I like about this story is that it implies the Joker is not an abnormal outgrowth. He comes from the same dark place within humanity that Alfred's criminal comes from. Just like Batman is a symbol of justice, the Joker is a symbol of chaos.
I just realized at 1:19 how Alfred steps into Bruce's line of sight is like how a father trying to tell his son something important and get his attention as he dozes off would. Perfect
Writing, editing, cinematography, music score, special effects, and acting has all gone to shyte. With the exception of a few filmmakers such as Nolan, Tarantino, Ridley Scott and Denis Villneuve, everyone else are nothing but woke corporate lackeys.
i love the parallel. in the gcpd’s desperation they turn to batman, a man they didn’t understand and couldn’t be reasoned with and gotham’s crime lords did the same with joker…
I'm doing WW2 homework and this kinda works with that the allies "squeezed and hammered" Germany to the point of desperation and in their desperation they turned to a man they didn't fully understand
At first, you hear this speech, and certain lines stand out, like “my friends and I were working for the local government.” And you think “Alfred, what the heck did you do before you were a butler?!” Then you remember. In the comics, Alfred is a veteran. Not only that, he was an army medic. Usually, he’s the one to patch up Bruce when he comes home, worse for wear. Makes him even more awesome in my mind, and makes more sense as to why he would allow his ward to go out every night fighting the scum of the city, putting himself in harm’s way.
@@coryaw95 Vanilla SEAL teams are nowhere NEAR as trained or as experienced as any of the above units. SBS and DEVGRU operate in tandem as well as the SAS and Delta Force. SEAL teams are more closer to the Royal marines and are on the operational level of the 75th Ranger Regiment.
I really like how you can kinda tell on Bruce's face that these kind of people frustrate him because Bruce has been learning to find reasoning and logic in criminals and people's motives as a detective and as a person who is dedicated to justice but people like Joker or the bandit guy really don't fit in into that equation Bruce has built his whole life around and he has to adapt to those people
This scene truly sends chills down my spine… Truly an amazing quote by Alfred here by saying, “Some men aren’t looking for anything logical like money, they can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.. Some men just want to watch the world burn”.
Can we acknowledge that Alfred was already critiquing Batman in this scene? “Well because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren’t looking for anything logical.” He knew already that the path that Batman was on did not have a logical goal or an end game to it. He knew there was simply a part of Bruce that wanted to watch the world burn. Really plays well into the Dark Knight Returns version of Batman in the comics.
Love the "criminals aren't complicated" line yet Bruce couldn't understand how simple the Joker's motives were. Like it's a great irony, he is right but still doesn't get it
The main trait I associate with Alfred Pennyworth is "wisdome" and boy did Caine's version bring that in spades. They really gave him some powerful and insightful monologues to deliver, and in each movie Alfred is the cornerstone behind Bruce's ability to keep fighting. A true surrogate father/son dynamic.
Sir Michael Cain brought so much depth, so much fragility and yet so much strength to the character of Alfred. He, at least for me, made Alfred a real human being, not the sophisticated, intellectual English butler caricature that previously defined the role. Alfred was always more than his profession. Cain was born to play Alfred Pennyworth - what an amazing performance. Even as a supporting actor playing a somewhat minor role, did he portray the close bond between Bruce and Alfred, being his confidant, moral compass, mentor and father figure for Bruce. He might be been an employee (a butler) but he’s closest person to Bruce and the only “family” got left.
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் In this scenario it is. The phrase "burning the forest down" relates to how countries are reacting post-9/11. Countries are violating civil rights and engaging in some of the very same violent acts that the public disapprove of in the name of fighting against evil. In the end you may defeat evil but it cost the foundation and some people you were trying to protect/serve in the first place.
A movie about Batman where people don't stop talking about Harvey Dent and having an incredible version of the Joker and Alfred still shines through all of that and pulls focus during his scenes.
What's also great is that later Bruce asks Alfred how they caught the bandit and Alfred says they burned the forest down leaving him no where to hide and similarly Bruce then used the echo location device to find the joker hiding in Gotham.
And really isn't that the Joker's mindset summed up in one sentence? The comics, the games, the movies, all of them, that is pretty much what his motivation boils down to. "I wanna' watch the world burn."
Some men aren't looking for anything logical...like money...they can't be bought, bullied, or negotiated with....these lines are deep n insane man ✨✨✨.
"Some men, just want to watch the world burn." Great line which I still use to this day, as a meme, in my fantasy football chat whenever someone uses their high priority waiver to pick up a player they dont need.
"When I was doing crimes against humanity in Burma, we fought against a guy who stole from the rich and gave to the poor. We thought he was just evil."
The other lesson that Alfred teaches is literally listen to your elders. Although it’s a completely different circumstance, Alfred has seen more and experienced more and life teaches you lessons.
I love the fact that overall Bruce is still stuck in Ras' teachings except for outright killing people. But even Ras would be dumbstruck at a person like the Joker.
This is something cinema is also forgetting. They always give villains some backstory, a reason to be evil. They say it makes them more realistoc, and it does, but not that alone. They forget that there are two types of villains IRL: Those with a reason, and those who do what they do because they want to.
One of my favorite scenes in my favorite movie. At the beginning of the movie, I was wondering what Joker's motivation was. This scene lays it out plain as day and immediately shows it will be an uphill battle to win against the Joker
If a movie was made on that burman bandit where aflred was in his 30's, exploring darker themes on humanity, power, and chaos I would really love to see the film.
I am from Burma and how they obtain the info about the ruby game we play impressed me. I am also a descendent of a loyal tribe. Lol. Edit: However they are not as big as a tangerine. Way smaller.
“Some men just want to watch the world burn.” Alfred was correct here. There are people like the Joker who aren’t interested in money or power. They cause chaos for the sake of it. They create chaos for entertainment or to prove a point. The fact that people like Joker who think this way exist is scary.
"Some men just wanna watch the world burn". That send me chills down my spine. I think Alfred won the fight against the Joker in this simple sentence... he is the only one who see through the Joker
@Adeel ahsen
Dude, im gonna rewatch the film!
@Adeel ahsen In my opinion it's more that the Bandit wanted to test himself against the caravans/mercenaries, and the loot meant nothing to him. He didn't outright give the gems to children, he just threw them away and the child in the story just happened to find that one. Alfred and his friends were working for the local government, not the British.
@@Projectz1122 I think it was just about perspective. I agree with pro noobs that the bandit didn't like Alfred and his friends corrupting his people and their culture. But Alfred viewed himself and his friends as the good guys. He thought they were saving these savages with "logical" things like money. Meanwhile the bandit thought he was a hero for trying to perserve his culture and way of life even though he was stealing and robbing. Joker pretty talks about people viewing themselves as good when they really aren't throughout the movie. Seemed his biggest obsession was showing people that they aren't as good as they think they are. To the people on that boat,and especially to Batman who wouldn't break his rule.
@pro noobs Actually later in the movie bruce asks alfred how the bandit was caught and he replies by saying “we burned the forest down”.
USA.
I love that Alfred doesn’t sugar coat things and tells Bruce that he crossed the line, followed by such an insightful explanation of who they’re really dealing with.
You can always count on Alfred to not sugarcoat things, especially when it comes to Bruce’s life and choices as Batman.
@Speed Racer and that is exactly why Batman needs Alfred
Alfred is the voice of reason, he's not afraid to give Bruce a reality check once in a while. That's what a real parental figure does to help others improve.
"They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.... some men just want to watch the world burn"
Chills, every time.
Kind of like Khan Noonien Singh when the 'young' Spock talks to the 'old'' Spock and Nimroy tells the 'young' one just how dangerous Khan is and how he will stop at NOTHING to achieve his goals.
@@deafsmith1006I had forgotten that, and I agree. That line from Older Spock doesn't hit QUITE as hard as Alfred's, but it did hit hard in its own right. Thanks for the reminder.
I like how in just 2 minutes Alfred gives one of the most beautiful and accurate synopsis of the jokers character ever! Such good writing
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I have to give Michael Caine credit for doing something original with Alfred, instead of the typical "British butler' voice. He gives Alfred a little working-class edge, almost cockney, but not quite.
Michael Caine is a true Cockney; that's his real accent. It's when he uses the "Reserved Pronunciation" British accent that he's putting on a false one. His use of his real accent was considered particularly revolutionary when he began acting, because most actors were expected to adopted a Lawrence Olivier type of RP accent, but Caine made it a point to retain his natural one. I agree; it was fantastic that he was able to play Alfred with it; it made the performance seem that much more natural.
This is cockey. I was born and raised in the east-end.
What I like about this Alfred the most is he a character who has life experience outside of the Wayne Family - an understanding of business, people, and like in the first one, also a good natured devious streak “we will have to break the components down, large orders so we don’t attract attention.”
Micheal Caine as Alfred grounds the character; he feels as real as anything else going on in the film, which is what Nolan was attempting to do with the Batman universe in these films. Just another example of film makers who know exactly what the fuck they're doing.
That’s how he talks
I love how Bruce almost treats Alfred like a father figure since his dad died when he was young. He doesn’t treat him like a butler, more like an sidekick
Right hand man.
Wise uncle
Bruce has four father figures in the whole Dark Knight series: Alfred, Ras al Ghul, Gordon and Fox.
And most importantly, Alfred treats Bruce like his son :-)
I also love how when Alfred starts telling this story that seems like an irrelevant tangent at first, Bruce respects him enough to pay complete attention. Bruce knows that Alfred would never tell a story just for the hell of it and trusts that he has an important piece of advice for him.
"I saw a ruby playing with a tangerine the size of a child."
Pass that shit!!
B. Edens
What kind of drugs are you on?
I want some
No, the child was obviously playing with a tangerine the size of a tangerine.
obviously ruby was playing with a child the size of a tangerine
and not the other way around ...
jeez people are smoking some weak shit here
Ah yes LSD i know it
I love how Alfred describes a clandestine military operation as just “an outing with some friends”
Petition for Nolan to make a movie about Alfred's adventure with the ending being them burning the forest down.
That's typically the experience
Most likely it was Burma ww2, in the comics they say he was a ww2 veteran so it wouldn’t be too far of they where buying the loyalty of the tribes from the japanese more than anything
@@cfcblue8That sounds epic
@@Junker_Ju52 More likely the late 50s or early 60s.
Hey Alfred, whats the weather supposed to be like today?
A long time ago, I was in Burma...
hahaha lol!
some man just wanna watsh the world burn
Michael Caine does that in real life too
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very underrated comment.
USA.
"I saw a child playing with a tangerine the size of a tangerine..."
"I saw a child playing with a tangerine the size of a ruby"
"I saw a tangerine playing with a ruby the size of a child"
i saw a tangerine playing with an economy the size of ruby
Max Isola I saw a ruby playing with a tangerine the size of Burma
Van Morgan When i was in tangerine, i saw a ruby play with burma the size of a child.
The scariest type of man is one that can’t be bought or reasoned with, one that has nothing to lose, joker is that type of man.
Ophelia what if the real end game is liberation from the human condition, death. Perhaps Joker sees the absurdity of pointless struggle. If the human game is survival at all cost at the expense of most species and the planet, then what good are our institutions and contrived structures or civilisation? Do we ultimately move onto Mars then eventually find other planets to plunder? Do we bounce about the galaxy as bandits? What is rational about life beyond a chemical process our parents succumbed to?
Yes I also know that he's the scariest batman ever. But he's my favourite ❤❤❤
"Some men just want to watch the world burn." This line is so accurate by Alfred. At the time he saw the Joker for what he really was, a man on a war path who isnt driven by any particular reason. Gordon, Dent, and Bruce were all seeing him as someone who just wants to be a mob boss or something along those lines. Later when Joker is talking to Harvey Dent, he himself says hes an "agent of chaos" proving what Alfred said.
I have to disagree. I think Alfred was in the wrong. The bandit was stealing the stones because the British were using them to bribe tribal leaders. In turn, ruining his way of life.
Also, while confronted by Batman, he says: “You didn’t think I would risk losing the battle for Gotham’s soul, in a fist fight with you”. To me it sound like he is trying to save Gotham, in a way only he knows how. In the end of the movie, he bankrupted the mob, and had most of those monsters locked up from the Dent Act.
@@Jesus-vb1vc Alfred was working for the Burmese government, not the British. If you watch the scene again, he says they were working for the "local government", the British are never mentioned.
@@paarthmishra7609 It'll have been in the late 50s or early 60s at the time of independence.
One of the key important factors of The Dark Knight's critical success is Michael Caine's Alfred. Solid performance, approach, and writing. A standing ovation for Sir Michael Caine!
So far best version of the caracther !!
I just realized, that when alfred later says "we burned the forrest down", the criminal who stole the rubies got what he wanted, just like the joker got what he wanted, to see a city's best man brought down to his level
Alfred was the villain here. The bandit was trying to stop the English (Alfred) from corrupting his home in the tribes. The bandit proved they were the villains when the English burned the forest down
@@bry7245 that made no sense whatsoever and we are dumber for having read it. You deserve no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
@@bry7245 good take
@@bry7245 that's just a theory.
@@MrRinoHunter dude they colonised the country and bribed the local population and you think they are the good guys? Tf
"Criminals aren't complicated"
Bruce quoting his mentor Ras Al Ghul aka Henri Ducard. This trilogy is amazing.
_Who??_
@@HughJass-jv2ltA version of Ducard appears in Batman Begins played by Liam Neeson. However, the character is later revealed to be Ra's al Ghul, the "Henri Ducard" identity being put on as misdirection.
@@eugenegd2112
So You mean that Henri Ducard is "the mask" ?
@@HughJass-jv2lt I think I cannot explain further. Use google. Peace
"some people just want to watch the world burn" - great line
Inaccurate
@@BJ-zd2or : It’s extremely accurate. Look at Putin and butt-boy Trump!
That’s Trump.
@@DeCurtaRican try not to be political all the time mate just cause you believe in different ideology doesn't means the opposing guy is just straight up villain
USA.
0:15 "Criminals aren't complicated" is exactly what Ra's al Ghul said in The Dark Knight Begins during the mental fear training. Really like that continuity in the story.
I find it a bit ironic, really. You have a man who wants anarchy, and one who wants to run the world. One will take out whoever is necessary, and the other just for fun. But I would think that Ra's would kill Joker if given the chance, because he knows that Joker would do him in for fun.
Batman Begins will always be my favorite, even with as much as I LOOOOVE the other 2
Theatrically and Deception are powerful agents this line also said By Ra's Al Ghul and Bane says this in The Dark Knight rises.
the dark knight begins? really?
@@ajdominguez1002 honestly ras might be in the right there you could say put the joker in jail or arkham but hes always gonna find a way out
'...so why steal them?'
'Well, because he thought it was good sport--'
That's my favourite segment of this dialogue. It's the crucial insight to the Joker, his dedication to anarchy - and the subsequent joviality of it all - before it's made abundantly clear to Bruce just a few words later. It was fun for the bandit, and the general character of the Joker is all about the fun.
'Security's gonna be tight--'
'Oh yes! but think of the fun'
Except the way Caine tells the story, it seemed like the thief was on the side of the locals, and was just trying to bring down the value of the diamonds so the government's bribes wouldn't be effective.
@@sirsusgamer No
SO Alfred what did you do about the thief? We burned the fields down.
some men... just want the tangerine.
S@v@G3
Lol
There is no tangerine. Shall I kick your chair so you can wake up from the matrix?
and... GASOLINE
Daemus_TV
Dead bro 💀🤣😂🤣😂💀
Damn, so Alfred just confessed to being a fucking mercenary who was formerly employed by a 3rd world Asian country... That's Gangsta...
Andrew Mange if you watch Gotham it takes you back in to time when Alfred was in his prime and he was dogging shit
Andrew Mange he's former SAS her Majesty's Elite
Alfred was used to be a MI6 before he was the butler of the Wayne family it was been mentioned on some batman movies and TV shows.
Damn. Now I gotta watch Gotham..thanx.
Old school gangsta
When people nowadays claim that the dark knight is overrated I just refer them to this scene
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What i loved about Michael Caine's portrayal of Alfred was he wasn't your typical butler who would traditionally always say "yes sir", "very good sir" or "master Bruce" or even "Mr. Wayne", this was a man who was always there to give his advice and experiences to Bruce for different situations but was never afraid to tell him that he went too far and also give him the big kick he needs.
The dialogue really adds so much maturity to the scene and Michael Caine's performance in the Dark Knight Trilogy is nothing but pure first class
I know I’m late but if heath gave just an average performance as the joker.. Caine’s Pennyworth performance might be included in best supporting actor nomination.
"I saw a tangerine playing with a child the size of a ruby."
What I like about this story is that it implies the Joker is not an abnormal outgrowth. He comes from the same dark place within humanity that Alfred's criminal comes from. Just like Batman is a symbol of justice, the Joker is a symbol of chaos.
I just realized at 1:19 how Alfred steps into Bruce's line of sight is like how a father trying to tell his son something important and get his attention as he dozes off would. Perfect
Alfred - some men wants to watch the world burn.
Also Alfred - we burnt down the forest.
Sir Abhishek it’s the irony of the bandit.
He had to do what the bandit enjoyed. He was caught enjoying the world burnt down to ashes
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"Criminals are not complicated " that's what Ra's Al Ghul said in Batman begins but it seems even he never met Joker
Some men, just want their phone call.
I'd give a kidney for films in general to be this well written again - let alone comic book movies.
Writing, editing, cinematography, music score, special effects, and acting has all gone to shyte. With the exception of a few filmmakers such as Nolan, Tarantino, Ridley Scott and Denis Villneuve, everyone else are nothing but woke corporate lackeys.
i love the parallel. in the gcpd’s desperation they turn to batman, a man they didn’t understand and couldn’t be reasoned with and gotham’s crime lords did the same with joker…
Michael Caine, God bless you sir.
I'm doing WW2 homework and this kinda works with that
the allies "squeezed and hammered" Germany to the point of desperation and in their desperation they turned to a man they didn't fully understand
Full marks!
I wish my teacher saw it that way, but thanks
holy shit !!
Goddamn truth.....
Could say the same about the US and corporate political influence.
I was brought here by the bandit the size of a Tangerine.
blackheart456 I was brought here by the tangerine the size of a rubber that a bandit was playing with
At first, you hear this speech, and certain lines stand out, like “my friends and I were working for the local government.” And you think “Alfred, what the heck did you do before you were a butler?!”
Then you remember. In the comics, Alfred is a veteran. Not only that, he was an army medic. Usually, he’s the one to patch up Bruce when he comes home, worse for wear.
Makes him even more awesome in my mind, and makes more sense as to why he would allow his ward to go out every night fighting the scum of the city, putting himself in harm’s way.
www.cbr.com/michael-caine-explains-alfreds-backstory-in-batman-trilogy/ SAS sergeant in fact
Not just an Army medic, an SAS or SBS veteran, the equivalent of America's Delta Force or SEAL team 6. Dude has done some black ops in his time.
@@astrosherlock374 Not Seal Team Six, just the seals in general
@@coryaw95 Vanilla SEAL teams are nowhere NEAR as trained or as experienced as any of the above units. SBS and DEVGRU operate in tandem as well as the SAS and Delta Force. SEAL teams are more closer to the Royal marines and are on the operational level of the 75th Ranger Regiment.
Serious yet subtle background score… Hans zimmer a unsung genius behind this movie
I really like how you can kinda tell on Bruce's face that these kind of people frustrate him because Bruce has been learning to find reasoning and logic in criminals and people's motives as a detective and as a person who is dedicated to justice but people like Joker or the bandit guy really don't fit in into that equation Bruce has built his whole life around and he has to adapt to those people
Not only did The Dark Knight have the greatest version of Joker, it also had the best portrayal of Alfred Pennyworth.
This scene truly sends chills down my spine… Truly an amazing quote by Alfred here by saying, “Some men aren’t looking for anything logical like money, they can’t be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.. Some men just want to watch the world burn”.
Can we acknowledge that Alfred was already critiquing Batman in this scene? “Well because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren’t looking for anything logical.”
He knew already that the path that Batman was on did not have a logical goal or an end game to it. He knew there was simply a part of Bruce that wanted to watch the world burn. Really plays well into the Dark Knight Returns version of Batman in the comics.
Love the "criminals aren't complicated" line yet Bruce couldn't understand how simple the Joker's motives were.
Like it's a great irony, he is right but still doesn't get it
The main trait I associate with Alfred Pennyworth is "wisdome" and boy did Caine's version bring that in spades. They really gave him some powerful and insightful monologues to deliver, and in each movie Alfred is the cornerstone behind Bruce's ability to keep fighting. A true surrogate father/son dynamic.
Sir Michael Cain brought so much depth, so much fragility and yet so much strength to the character of Alfred.
He, at least for me, made Alfred a real human being, not the sophisticated, intellectual English butler caricature that previously defined the role. Alfred was always more than his profession.
Cain was born to play Alfred Pennyworth - what an amazing performance.
Even as a supporting actor playing a somewhat minor role, did he portray the close bond between Bruce and Alfred, being his confidant, moral compass, mentor and father figure for Bruce.
He might be been an employee (a butler) but he’s closest person to Bruce and the only “family” got left.
Alfred is the only person , who understood who the joker was.. and he knew the only way to beat him is to compromise some of your morals.
Probably the best Alfred of them all.
+10000 alfred wisdom points
Watching this on January 6th 2021 the day America was attack by terrorist in Washington DC... Alfred’s word ring true more than ever...
Exactly the same i was thinking
How do they make batmen sound American when he’s British
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“Some men....just wanna watch the world burn.” Perfect description of the Joker
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I told this story at a job interview and they said "That was you?"
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darthshoeless Wtf i wanna hear the whole story
The bandit was caught by burning the forest down. How ironic.
how is that ironic?
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் There's a price to fighting evil.
That's not ironic.
@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் In this scenario it is. The phrase "burning the forest down" relates to how countries are reacting post-9/11. Countries are violating civil rights and engaging in some of the very same violent acts that the public disapprove of in the name of fighting against evil. In the end you may defeat evil but it cost the foundation and some people you were trying to protect/serve in the first place.
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He was such a good Alfred
One of the few movie scenes that still gives me chills & a desire to know more about an important secondary character. Bless You, Mr. Caine!
A movie about Batman where people don't stop talking about Harvey Dent and having an incredible version of the Joker and Alfred still shines through all of that and pulls focus during his scenes.
“Why do we fall sir so we can pick ourselves back up” that line always gets me everytime I watch Alfred and Bruce Wayne talk to each other
The casting in this movie was so perfect. Michael Caine is just brilliant.
The dialogue delivery.... Is 🥇❤️
Such a great scene, the fact that it comes back later makes it even more impactful
This was my favorite quote from the movie. Something about it resonated deep inside of me.
Some men, just want to watch the world burn.
What's also great is that later Bruce asks Alfred how they caught the bandit and Alfred says they burned the forest down leaving him no where to hide and similarly Bruce then used the echo location device to find the joker hiding in Gotham.
The Batman movies monologues and stories/reflections are always so good
I feel like People forget that Alfred in these movies is ex-SAS And is a badass
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the only person who understood what exactly is being the Joker all about?
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*Incoming people thinking they're smart by connecting this statement to modern-day politics*
Exactly. Well, OTHERS do it FIRST, so I make ZERO apologies for jumping in afterwards with MY attacks.
dude u nailed it
they watch globalist controlled cnn lol
Right!!! Lol
Thanks for the warning. Leaving now.
And that is how you tell a story.
Michael Caine as an actor is tremendously talented and a good man.
And really isn't that the Joker's mindset summed up in one sentence? The comics, the games, the movies, all of them, that is pretty much what his motivation boils down to. "I wanna' watch the world burn."
Alfred was essentially a mercenary in his youth
What?
He was a SAS agent ffs.
He was an SAS veteran
@@arunrajeev2634 Operator. SAS operator
I am from Burma and I know exactly that story.
Alfred's right. No one revels in chaos and anarchy better than Joker does.
When a Butler knows more about Joker than Batman.
Whomever wrote this scene must be commended.
Some men aren't looking for anything logical...like money...they can't be bought, bullied, or negotiated with....these lines are deep n insane man ✨✨✨.
"Some men, just want to watch the world burn." Great line which I still use to this day, as a meme, in my fantasy football chat whenever someone uses their high priority waiver to pick up a player they dont need.
One of the greatest speeches ever from one of the very best actors ever.
"When I was doing crimes against humanity in Burma, we fought against a guy who stole from the rich and gave to the poor. We thought he was just evil."
For those wondering why The Dark Knight is more than a Comic Book movie, it's because of scenes like this.
Man this movies was great on so many levels
Alfred: Some men just want to watch the world burn
*Fast-forward to Joker burning stack of money*
0:38 - 0:53 because thanos found them all and made everyone disappear
The other lesson that Alfred teaches is literally listen to your elders. Although it’s a completely different circumstance, Alfred has seen more and experienced more and life teaches you lessons.
Damn this movie transcends cinema and blends into everyday life. Insane work.
An unnerving thought about people in general, this is something we all recognize as familiar but few understand.
I love the fact that overall Bruce is still stuck in Ras' teachings except for outright killing people. But even Ras would be dumbstruck at a person like the Joker.
Joker: "It's not about money, it's about sending a message. Everything burns."
Alfred is an unsung hero of this series..
Had a backpack full of gems each type.
A fantastic speech from Michael Caine. It somes up Heath Ledgers Joker perfectly
This is something cinema is also forgetting. They always give villains some backstory, a reason to be evil. They say it makes them more realistoc, and it does, but not that alone. They forget that there are two types of villains IRL: Those with a reason, and those who do what they do because they want to.
One of my favorite scenes in my favorite movie. At the beginning of the movie, I was wondering what Joker's motivation was. This scene lays it out plain as day and immediately shows it will be an uphill battle to win against the Joker
Master Wayne, I've turned myself into a Tangerine. I'm Tangerine Alfred.
Some men just want to see paul allen’s card
We need an Alfred film about his military experience as a younger man
I thought of this scene after Putin invaded Ukraine. Some men want to watch the world burn.
And He thought it's just a good sport
"Criminals aren't complicated, Alfred--"
Fuck all if that were true Bruce, your life would be much easier if i was.
Sir Michael is true Conckney boy.
Super curious about Alfred’s backstory. Must be worth a prequel.
If a movie was made on that burman bandit where aflred was in his 30's, exploring darker themes on humanity, power, and chaos I would really love to see the film.
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"Some men just want to watch the world burn.." will FOREVER be an iconic line.
I am from Burma and how they obtain the info about the ruby game we play impressed me. I am also a descendent of a loyal tribe. Lol.
Edit: However they are not as big as a tangerine. Way smaller.
This best of all the superhero movies
“Some men just want to watch the world burn.” Alfred was correct here. There are people like the Joker who aren’t interested in money or power. They cause chaos for the sake of it. They create chaos for entertainment or to prove a point. The fact that people like Joker who think this way exist is scary.