Agreed And Robs been on the money in past drafts so there’s positive history Likewise, I’m still scarred by the negative history of the ‘13-‘21 drafts Abysmal ‘22 and ‘24 were great - was hoping it would be 3 in a row… but not feeling good about it Over the moon with Murphy and like Haynes too, so not all bad
It’s funny how often Rob can change my opinion with data and logic (Christian Haynes), or reconfirm what I suspect to be true (an underwhelming day 3) in the exact same way. I really appreciate all the work you do Rob. -a Liverpool supporter
Thanks Rob, very fair points that you brought. I especially like that not only you told us who you liked more in specific draft spots, but also gave your thoughts why they chose the players that they chose.
Thanks for all the work this year rob. I've been reading the blog since the beginning. Now, with all the videos n your appearances, you've really become one of the best out there. N cheer up on the undersized TE bud. But I don't remember zach miller being very big and he was my all time favorite seahawks TE
It’s not a case of ‘cheering up’ though. I’m evaluating the picks. I can’t say one thing about a player if LA takes them and just adjust to be more positive if the Seahawks do instead. That isn’t how it works.
I know. I come here for your honest opinion. The good and the bad. "Cheering op" comes from me remembering Zach Miller coming across the line and murdering unblocked tackles. I know nothing about our new TE and is probably nothing like Zach.
I've already seen more than enough mental gymnastics by Seahawks fans trying to spin this as an A or A+ draft. Including pretending that Leonard Williams should be included when evaluating this year's draft, when no, we got 8 games of Leo for a 2nd and a 5th, and the only reason he's here now is because they paid him a ton of money, which they could've done anyway when he became a free agent without having to trade any draft capital mid-season. I like your analysis Rob because it sounds real and authentic, and not just PR for the 'Hawks to make everything they do an automatic A!
I can see why you'd include Howell in the draft class, but Leonard was essentially a free agent signing. Maybe having him last year gave us an edge to re-sign, but it can't just be said that he was drafted in the 2nd.
Totally agree Rob. Love the first two picks. Day 3 was full of underwhelming and head scratching picks. It felt like John reverted back to the John of old. Thinking he's smarter than the rest of the league and getting his guys. He did that for years and we all saw how it worked out. At least he did it with the day 3 picks and not the first two
Agreed Rob. All you can do is grade a team's picks by how you've studied and ranked them. The thing we just don't know is how the new staff has graded and ranked our existing players, and how they feel these draft picks' specific skills will fit in this new scheme. It will be interesting to revisit this class in a few years.
Great summing up of the Seahawks draft Rob 👍 Time to totally ignore the very few mindless comments. Don't let them get to you. The vast vast majority appreciate your work so much ! By far the best Seahawks analysis 👍
I agree with your thoughts; stoked about Murphy & Haynes, completely underwhelmed by everything else. I've talked myself into Barner because I do personally see some upside as a receiver, but missing on Mustapaha and Brennan Jackson to division rivals is a killer. And we appear to be doomed to average at best QB for the foreseeable future, which limits us to a wild card round appearance at best. Next year's QBs don't excite me - stay away from Shadeur at all costs. Would find it hard to root for someone like that.
It was hard to really see us taking a qb after all of the good ones were taken top 12. Seems like Howell is our guy for the foreseeable future at least.
@@thewarhammerguy5995 Trying to warm up to Howell. I personally wish they would just play him to see what they have in him. Had some really nice play last year on an inferior team. Unfortunately I feel like they will let Geno have the starting role which limits our ceiling to a wild card appearance at best.
I do appreciate your analysis of the two 4th round picks. But if these were two players the Seahawks identified as players they wanted and the range in which they were happy to select them was 4th-5th round. Then I have no problem with the picks at all. It doesn’t matter what the consensus/media thought of them, if the Seahawks tried to get too cute and wait until the 5th round because thats the general consensus is. it only takes one other team to like them aswell and grab them. Then you can wait a round not wanting to select players you like becuase you’re worried about reaching and drafting players too early. It only really matters want round grade the Seahawks had on them. Yes I agree sometimes trading down is worthwhile but only if there are multiple players you like and you’re happy with any of them.
The crazy thing about Byron Murphy, he is only 21 years old and a super dominant DT. His ceiling is arguably the best as a defensive line player in the draft.
Always a pleasure to listen to. I couldn’t have been more excited bye the Murphy pick unless Penix had slide. Underwhelming is a good description of day 3, but appreciate the meat and potatoes type focus on getting guys in that play with sincere toughness. It felt like it was the restoring balance after being too cute the last few years with splashy but finesse player. Maybe it only adding to goal line sets, and special teams but have the feeling that it was getting back to that identity of being tougher. I’m not elated bye the prospect of what these guys might become, but not ultimately disappointed as at least it feels like they did more to getting back to being a bully instead of just paying it lip service.
Great content as always Rob. I enjoy your honest takes. No cope. Just unfiltered, realistic and pragmatic. Sometimes that hurts. I’m confident that Mike, Grubb, Huff and Durde can make some good things happen. I’m already impressed with their attitude which seems business and no BS. Players better wise up and make effort. Go Hawks! 💚💙🇨🇦 #ToughTit 😂 hope your wife is feeling much better 💕🌸🥰🫶🏻
I hear what you are saying Rob. I agree that the top to picks were As which probably makes up fro 80% of the importance of the draft. The chances of any late pick player becoming a starter is relatively slim and I've no problem with simply trusting their gut feelings on them. At least we got away from doing really strange stuff in the early rounds...
The 49ers have added elite talent in R3-5 by playing the value game so I think it’s vital we analyse those picks and not chalk it down to just trusting the decision making
@@robstatonfootball I don't disagree. I'm just thanking the high heavens that we didn't trade down and get two reasonably good players plus a running back! You know what was available in the later rounds much better than I do. I am interested in seeing what becomes of the players you mention Rob. Thanks for your effort man!
Completely fair skepticism and criticism of the later round picks. There was value to be had that they missed out on. I do think it is important to take into consideration that we have a 1st time HC, OC & DC so hopefully these later round picks were focused on what the coaching staff wants for their new scheme. I think yr 2 draft 2 we all will have a lot more info on what we need and what will work best for this team and can be very critical of draft picks.
16. Byron Murphy DT 81. Christian Haynes OG 118. Malik Mustapha S 121. TJ Tampa CB 136. Spencer Rattler QB 179. Satoa Laumea OG 192.Tanner Mclaughlin TE 207. Michael Barrett LB Ya, that would have been an A+ in my book too. Don't hate the draft, but would have loved this. Just my armchair GM opinion of course.
Agree with pretty much your thought Rob, so many better players available that they passed on whom they will regret. With thier last pick, I’d would have taken Pratt, see what he’s all about, If thier is any major upside to be a good QB. Trade Jones, keep Reed and maybe use the jones money into the OL if they is anyone who’s half decent. Please don’t change, we love your content because the way you see things and that they are different, Robbie and Adam both vey insightful, witty and great laugh. Great to see Brian recognise your talent by have you in his round table discussion and hope theirs future ones of those. Glad to see both u and wife getting better, keep up the good work, content.
I think you’re right about the fixation on those 2 players - which I’m okay with if they become more than depth in a year’s time. I can’t believe Mustapha was passed on and even more that the 9ers selected him. Was happy with the Utah T/G based on value as well as Clark…Anyone else noticed the sneaky move of Cleveland drafting Watson the spot before our final pick?
I don’t tend to review them until camp because often they get cut after rookie mini camp or pre training camp and it just leads to a lot of wasted work
Thx Rob. Good breakdown. Real question: Would you have preferred a strong top of draft like we did factoring in Murphy, Leo Williams, Haynes and Howell (paired with a poorest back 9) vs a poorest first 3-4 picks then getting value on Day 3 with some of the guys you mentioned? I was thinking if the Seahawks drafted Bo Nix at 16 (panicked) then have it spiral from there.
Seahawks had 2 picks in the top 100. They can't fix everything in one draft. Where I thought you went off the rails in your post draft analysis was insinuating Mcdonald wasn't going to be up for the job because he didn't show the same enthusiasm on the phone calls as Shewn Mcvey. Let's give this new staff some time.
Are you that desperate you have to make things up for a copium hit? I never implied anything about MacDonald’s abilities as a coach, simply said the calls were a bit dull. And nobody said they could address every need.
@@robstatonfootball It's nothing personal Rob, I enjoy listening to your content. You clearly didn't like day 3, and I thought you were lashing out a little bit comparing Mcdonald to Mcvey. Just my opinion.
Hey rob… We got some excellent udfas! Chevan Cordero the qb, Caesar the edge, holani the rb, and hatten the wr to name a few. We Are getting real good now! Go hawks!!
☆Rob's spot on about R4, -JS/MM reached to get boys they fell in love with, AJB = Dissly2.0 & TK = Bwags2.0 positive never say die type personalities. Also B.Baldinger says BM2 is top 10 - CH is R2 - SM is R4 - MJ is worth a punt due to potential upside & JS got great value in his OL & DL & CB picks.
I disagree, the media scouts don’t dictate they are reaches. It will be 2-3 years until it can be established if they are reaches. Their actual performance with tell us where their true value was. It only takes one other team to like that player and the you miss out on them and waiting another round because your don’t want to ‘reach’ is not good drafting or team building.
I gotta say I was underwhelmed besides the Byron Murphy pick but after taking some time and looking into these players, I think the Seahawks knocked it out of the park and I can’t wait to see it manifest to the Field
Oh, a call for Sam Howell, I love it. I do think he's going to look pretty good this offseason and it's going to be a major issue for conflict between Seahawk fans.
My question for Rob is: if they there was one of your favorite players in round 4 and everyone else was the same would you be happy with the draft. Meaning would one more player makes this draft an A?
For starters, it's never about being unhappy or happy with a draft. It's about judgement based on grading. If they'd have taken one player graded as value in R4, I would have praised that pick and analysed the others in the exact same way I did
What I find interesting is that your perspective on day 1,2, and 3 pretty much matches the general opinion of: a) seahawk nation, b) football pundits collectively, and c) the consensus player ranking board that is an average of about 100 player ranking boards from all the biggest names in NFL draft coverage. In other words, they're not only disagreeing with you, they're disagreeing with pretty much everybody while refusing to acknowledge that "they" are the ones who's perspective differs from the vast majority's.
I have a couple theories on barner and Jerrell. Grubb seems like to an outside zone run scheme from I have gleaned. Barner may not be a good inline blocking tight end at the next level at his current weight, but if the idea is to get him out in space and blocking on edges and LBs, then I think his weight issue can be a bit negated. The other one for me is that Jerrell was on Hawk Blogger, and said his favorite concept to run was outside zone AND he was a converted TE. I think we are looking at a new jumbo package taking place with two good blockers who can move in space.
I didn't see Murphy in any top 10 mocks until April really. It was Newton going to Seattle usually. That said, Bralen Trice was in every 1st round until March. As for the identity, Joe Klatt has said it a few times, that when he interviewed McDonald at Michigan, he said that his defensive philosophy is to build a run wall 1st, then build out from there. He never quite did that in Baltimore, maybe this pick is him doing that.
We can say what all/who we don't like. Seahawks have people jobs depend on players they scout. They bring film back to Mcdonald/ Schindler and they make the call. Point is they don't care what we think
Based on John deferring to Mike as the 'linebacker guru' in the post-draft presser in regards to Tyrice Knight, it makes me think that this may have been someone Macdonald was really pushing for. If he sees more in his potential as a legitimate contributor at linebacker than most of us do, so be it. I wasn't upset so much about the player himself as I was about where he was selected because of the players they passed on at that selection, as Rob detailed. Same with Barner. I didn't like the Pritchett pick at all. If they decided they had to pounce on Knight where they did because of the run on linebackers that occurred sooner than expected and they didn't think he'd be there later, fair enough. If that's the case and Macdonald really did love him, I can live with that. The quarterback situation continues to annoy, but I agree that it's a tough set of circumstances that can't all necessarily be laid at John's feet. I'm higher on Howell's potential upside than most, but I'm still not delusional enough to think he's the locked-in choice as QB of the future. I'm hoping there will at least be some measure of clarity of their plans after this season. I saw that Bob Condotta reported that the Seahawks' interest in possibly bringing Jamal back is regarded in league circles as 'legitimate'. Christ, I'll be so pissed off if they do that.
Another thing we don't really know what Mcdonald might do on defense. Only speculate on his time in Baltimore. They got the players they wanted. We are all just just lounge chair GMs posting for like not pay. Love the channel. Keep up the good work
What you said about hoping Sam Howell starts this year is exactly how I felt last year if you substitute Lock for Howell. Why not find out what you've got? Particularly when the best you're going to be with Geno is mediocre.
I initially felt this way also, but after reflection I have concluded that I have to trust the coaching staff and not who we pick. Pete is gone, and taking those kinds of players is also gone. I'm sure Pete would have drafted some of the players you named. I don't think he would have taken Murphy. Time to adjust our perception of what the team will do.
I feel like day 3 is the day to go get the guys you love over obsessing over value. It’s fine to not like the picks, but it’s kind ridiculous to be up in arms over the draft board value of picks made in the 5th round on.
Agreed, day 3 was bad in my opinion, not because of the positions selected, but in terms of opportunity cost for the players we passed on. Giving drafts grades is subjective and really doesn't mean anything, but we all have our opinions. Day 3 for me did not feel like we were drafting for value or Day 3 unless we are talking about maybe the corner backs. It felt very much like we locked into "our guys" which on a scale of bad things to do in a draft for me is the second worst (Value > "Our Guy" > Need). We will see how this turns out, but I am not overly hyped for the day 3 players. There is a large majority of Seahawks fans online who are just far too tribal about things. They are all in for their players (Russ, Geno etc.) or their coach (Pete etc) and if you offer any critique or perspective you are supposedly a band wagon fan or a football idiot. It's comical really, most of the time they are dead wrong.
I just think when you talk about Barner and his size limitations for being a blocking TE. If you compare his and Dissly’s testing numbers his are all around better than Dissly and only 9 pounds lighter at draft time. Also If you look at P. Brown who we drafted and per our coaching staff is a great bocking TE who is just a shade over 240lbs.
I think the common theme of the draft was guys who work hard and are dawgs on the field. I wanna give MacDonald the benefit of the doubt and that his defense and coaching can really help these players. I think Haynes will compete at LG. I think Tomlinson gives you a floor but he’s only here for a year. Haynes has the mobility and smarts to play there IMO. Laumea will probably compete for back up RG, Mike Jerrell will be the new Curhan and Forsythe will back LT.
@@iron_bison Haynes is much more better athlete and tactician than Lewis. Lewis was also 15-20lbs heavier and run mauler but should have stayed at RG, I agree. However, there is no one behind Tomlinson and I’d rather Haynes than Laumea move to LG. It’s just an opinion, we’ll see what they do but I think Haynes can do it
Agreed on o-line. Haynes im a fan of. Lucas if healthy im happy with. Olu im still hopeful for. Cross isn’t physical enough. Never seemed that way and hasn’t grown into it. Our middling signings certainly don’t fix anything. They’re just stopgaps.
@@robstatonfootball Listen, I like a lot of your material on the Hawks, that's why I listen to all of it. I just wish you would use your knowledge and sources to give me (us) a bit more of "what can this prospect do for the team" instead of a repeated negative reaction
All I have to say is we really don’t know how these day 3 picks are gonna play out, they could be some late round gems for all we know but to write them off cause they didn’t line up with your board is silly
What’s silly is you suggesting I’m writing anybody off. There’s no point doing 12 months of tape study and research (including consulting with people in the league) if I’m just going to then change my view on value grading to be positive simply because the Seahawks draft certain players. People like you might want that copium - and it might stop me getting dumb messages - but then my work would be totally and utterly pointless
I felt like Schneider was just picking willy-nilly on Day 3 of the draft. But what makes it worse is that these late round picks will be kept on the roster even if they are less talented than the UDFA's who turn out for minicamps, because Schneider has proven (with the Adams trade) that he will never admit to making mistakes.
Hufanga is most likely going to be cut after offseason. Luckily I follow both hawks and 9ers and that's why can call out this baloney by you. Your 2nd round grade did nothing for the 9ers last year. Missed the entire season.
I honestly appreciate how realistic your takes are
Agreed
And Robs been on the money in past drafts so there’s positive history
Likewise, I’m still scarred by the negative history of the ‘13-‘21 drafts
Abysmal
‘22 and ‘24 were great - was hoping it would be 3 in a row… but not feeling good about it
Over the moon with Murphy and like Haynes too, so not all bad
It’s funny how often Rob can change my opinion with data and logic (Christian Haynes), or reconfirm what I suspect to be true (an underwhelming day 3) in the exact same way. I really appreciate all the work you do Rob. -a Liverpool supporter
Randomly woke up at 2am (pst). Saw that Rob uploaded 20 seconds prior. Guess I’m not going back to sleep 🫡
Thanks Rob, very fair points that you brought. I especially like that not only you told us who you liked more in specific draft spots, but also gave your thoughts why they chose the players that they chose.
Thanks
Thank you!
I meant to add “Thanks for the constant updates and input, it definitely enhanced my draft experience!”
Another treat, thank you Rob
Thanks for all the work this year rob. I've been reading the blog since the beginning. Now, with all the videos n your appearances, you've really become one of the best out there. N cheer up on the undersized TE bud.
But I don't remember zach miller being very big and he was my all time favorite seahawks TE
It’s not a case of ‘cheering up’ though. I’m evaluating the picks. I can’t say one thing about a player if LA takes them and just adjust to be more positive if the Seahawks do instead. That isn’t how it works.
I know. I come here for your honest opinion. The good and the bad. "Cheering op" comes from me remembering Zach Miller coming across the line and murdering unblocked tackles. I know nothing about our new TE and is probably nothing like Zach.
Great analysis as always. Hopefully things turn out better than what we think now…
I've already seen more than enough mental gymnastics by Seahawks fans trying to spin this as an A or A+ draft.
Including pretending that Leonard Williams should be included when evaluating this year's draft, when no, we got 8 games of Leo for a 2nd and a 5th, and the only reason he's here now is because they paid him a ton of money, which they could've done anyway when he became a free agent without having to trade any draft capital mid-season.
I like your analysis Rob because it sounds real and authentic, and not just PR for the 'Hawks to make everything they do an automatic A!
I can see why you'd include Howell in the draft class, but Leonard was essentially a free agent signing. Maybe having him last year gave us an edge to re-sign, but it can't just be said that he was drafted in the 2nd.
@@banksta3Howell I'm way more fine with including since he wasn't an expensive free agent signing, but definitely not Leo.
Thanks for another great season of analysis Rob
Totally agree Rob. Love the first two picks. Day 3 was full of underwhelming and head scratching picks. It felt like John reverted back to the John of old. Thinking he's smarter than the rest of the league and getting his guys. He did that for years and we all saw how it worked out. At least he did it with the day 3 picks and not the first two
Agreed Rob. All you can do is grade a team's picks by how you've studied and ranked them. The thing we just don't know is how the new staff has graded and ranked our existing players, and how they feel these draft picks' specific skills will fit in this new scheme. It will be interesting to revisit this class in a few years.
Great summing up of the Seahawks draft Rob 👍
Time to totally ignore the very few mindless comments. Don't let them get to you. The vast vast majority appreciate your work so much !
By far the best Seahawks analysis 👍
I agree with your thoughts; stoked about Murphy & Haynes, completely underwhelmed by everything else. I've talked myself into Barner because I do personally see some upside as a receiver, but missing on Mustapaha and Brennan Jackson to division rivals is a killer. And we appear to be doomed to average at best QB for the foreseeable future, which limits us to a wild card round appearance at best. Next year's QBs don't excite me - stay away from Shadeur at all costs. Would find it hard to root for someone like that.
It was hard to really see us taking a qb after all of the good ones were taken top 12. Seems like Howell is our guy for the foreseeable future at least.
@@thewarhammerguy5995 Trying to warm up to Howell. I personally wish they would just play him to see what they have in him. Had some really nice play last year on an inferior team.
Unfortunately I feel like they will let Geno have the starting role which limits our ceiling to a wild card appearance at best.
Fair analysis Rob, let’s hope the coaching staff can elevate these players to being better players.
Rob, great content as always 🙏🏼 thänks for all the work you put into the draft
Great Analysis, appreciate your insight and well thought out approach to brining us Sea Hawk content.
thanks for all the hard work and screw the haters
We never hear anything about Mike Morris. I’m super curious where he fits into the line in 2024.
Great Video as always Rob! Thank you.
I do appreciate your analysis of the two 4th round picks.
But if these were two players the Seahawks identified as players they wanted and the range in which they were happy to select them was 4th-5th round. Then I have no problem with the picks at all.
It doesn’t matter what the consensus/media thought of them, if the Seahawks tried to get too cute and wait until the 5th round because thats the general consensus is. it only takes one other team to like them aswell and grab them. Then you can wait a round not wanting to select players you like becuase you’re worried about reaching and drafting players too early.
It only really matters want round grade the Seahawks had on them.
Yes I agree sometimes trading down is worthwhile but only if there are multiple players you like and you’re happy with any of them.
Well, the other side of this is reaching for players is how they’ve made mistakes in the past.
@@robstatonfootball I think that would be bad/poor scouting rather than ‘reaching’
“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
Thank you again for your content 🙏
The crazy thing about Byron Murphy, he is only 21 years old and a super dominant DT. His ceiling is arguably the best as a defensive line player in the draft.
Agree with your thoughts on Day 3 completely
The rest… I said Nix and Penix would go 1st round… 🤷🏻♂️
Always a pleasure to listen to. I couldn’t have been more excited bye the Murphy pick unless Penix had slide. Underwhelming is a good description of day 3, but appreciate the meat and potatoes type focus on getting guys in that play with sincere toughness. It felt like it was the restoring balance after being too cute the last few years with splashy but finesse player. Maybe it only adding to goal line sets, and special teams but have the feeling that it was getting back to that identity of being tougher. I’m not elated bye the prospect of what these guys might become, but not ultimately disappointed as at least it feels like they did more to getting back to being a bully instead of just paying it lip service.
Great content as always Rob. I enjoy your honest takes. No cope. Just unfiltered, realistic and pragmatic. Sometimes that hurts. I’m confident that Mike, Grubb, Huff and Durde can make some good things happen. I’m already impressed with their attitude which seems business and no BS. Players better wise up and make effort. Go Hawks! 💚💙🇨🇦 #ToughTit 😂 hope your wife is feeling much better 💕🌸🥰🫶🏻
I hear what you are saying Rob. I agree that the top to picks were As which probably makes up fro 80% of the importance of the draft. The chances of any late pick player becoming a starter is relatively slim and I've no problem with simply trusting their gut feelings on them. At least we got away from doing really strange stuff in the early rounds...
The 49ers have added elite talent in R3-5 by playing the value game so I think it’s vital we analyse those picks and not chalk it down to just trusting the decision making
@@robstatonfootball I don't disagree. I'm just thanking the high heavens that we didn't trade down and get two reasonably good players plus a running back! You know what was available in the later rounds much better than I do. I am interested in seeing what becomes of the players you mention Rob. Thanks for your effort man!
I love when you upload at 2am my time....graveyard shift SUCKS lol
Murphy was my #1 guy
So I’m happy. We got my #1 guy.
I’ll just leave it at that.
Completely fair skepticism and criticism of the later round picks. There was value to be had that they missed out on. I do think it is important to take into consideration that we have a 1st time HC, OC & DC so hopefully these later round picks were focused on what the coaching staff wants for their new scheme. I think yr 2 draft 2 we all will have a lot more info on what we need and what will work best for this team and can be very critical of draft picks.
16. Byron Murphy DT
81. Christian Haynes OG
118. Malik Mustapha S
121. TJ Tampa CB
136. Spencer Rattler QB
179. Satoa Laumea OG
192.Tanner Mclaughlin TE
207. Michael Barrett LB
Ya, that would have been an A+ in my book too. Don't hate the draft, but would have loved this. Just my armchair GM opinion of course.
@@LevelSkip That’s why it’s an opinion… as I said.
Agree with pretty much your thought Rob, so many better players available that they passed on whom they will regret. With thier last pick, I’d would have taken Pratt, see what he’s all about, If thier is any major upside to be a good QB. Trade Jones, keep Reed and maybe use the jones money into the OL if they is anyone who’s half decent.
Please don’t change, we love your content because the way you see things and that they are different, Robbie and Adam both vey insightful, witty and great laugh.
Great to see Brian recognise your talent by have you in his round table discussion and hope theirs future ones of those.
Glad to see both u and wife getting better, keep up the good work, content.
I think you’re right about the fixation on those 2 players - which I’m okay with if they become more than depth in a year’s time.
I can’t believe Mustapha was passed on and even more that the 9ers selected him.
Was happy with the Utah T/G based on value as well as Clark…Anyone else noticed the sneaky move of Cleveland drafting Watson the spot before our final pick?
You know Rob, ben subscribed but never get a notice when you're live, and keep missing ya :/....lol
This wasn’t a live broadcast to be fair - but you need to hit the notification bell if you want to be alerted to new vids and streams
@@robstatonfootball *Sigh..that would help huh? Lol, Thanks.
Can you do a video of the signed undrafted free agents?
I don’t tend to review them until camp because often they get cut after rookie mini camp or pre training camp and it just leads to a lot of wasted work
@@robstatonfootball Cool. Thanks for what you do. I've read and watched your content since almost the beginning. 🔱
Thx Rob. Good breakdown. Real question: Would you have preferred a strong top of draft like we did factoring in Murphy, Leo Williams, Haynes and Howell (paired with a poorest back 9) vs a poorest first 3-4 picks then getting value on Day 3 with some of the guys you mentioned? I was thinking if the Seahawks drafted Bo Nix at 16 (panicked) then have it spiral from there.
I’d rather draft for value throughout and not have to pick
What do you think of Pritchett as a kick returner? And is that included in your grade of him?
It isn’t, just a personal thing but I never adapt grades for kick returns, only positional scouting based on what I can actually study
Seahawks had 2 picks in the top 100. They can't fix everything in one draft.
Where I thought you went off the rails in your post draft analysis was insinuating Mcdonald wasn't going to be up for the job because he didn't show the same enthusiasm on the phone calls as Shewn Mcvey. Let's give this new staff some time.
Are you that desperate you have to make things up for a copium hit? I never implied anything about MacDonald’s abilities as a coach, simply said the calls were a bit dull. And nobody said they could address every need.
@@robstatonfootball It's nothing personal Rob, I enjoy listening to your content. You clearly didn't like day 3, and I thought you were lashing out a little bit comparing Mcdonald to Mcvey. Just my opinion.
Hey rob… We got some excellent udfas! Chevan Cordero the qb, Caesar the edge, holani the rb, and hatten the wr to name a few. We Are getting real good now!
Go hawks!!
☆Rob's spot on about R4, -JS/MM reached to get boys they fell in love with, AJB = Dissly2.0 & TK = Bwags2.0 positive never say die type personalities.
Also B.Baldinger says BM2 is top 10 - CH is R2 - SM is R4 - MJ is worth a punt due to potential upside & JS got great value in his OL & DL & CB picks.
I disagree, the media scouts don’t dictate they are reaches.
It will be 2-3 years until it can be established if they are reaches. Their actual performance with tell us where their true value was.
It only takes one other team to like that player and the you miss out on them and waiting another round because your don’t want to ‘reach’ is not good drafting or team building.
I gotta say I was underwhelmed besides the Byron Murphy pick but after taking some time and looking into these players, I think the Seahawks knocked it out of the park and I can’t wait to see it manifest to the Field
Oh, a call for Sam Howell, I love it. I do think he's going to look pretty good this offseason and it's going to be a major issue for conflict between Seahawk fans.
My question for Rob is: if they there was one of your favorite players in round 4 and everyone else was the same would you be happy with the draft. Meaning would one more player makes this draft an A?
For starters, it's never about being unhappy or happy with a draft. It's about judgement based on grading. If they'd have taken one player graded as value in R4, I would have praised that pick and analysed the others in the exact same way I did
What I find interesting is that your perspective on day 1,2, and 3 pretty much matches the general opinion of: a) seahawk nation, b) football pundits collectively, and c) the consensus player ranking board that is an average of about 100 player ranking boards from all the biggest names in NFL draft coverage. In other words, they're not only disagreeing with you, they're disagreeing with pretty much everybody while refusing to acknowledge that "they" are the ones who's perspective differs from the vast majority's.
I have a couple theories on barner and Jerrell.
Grubb seems like to an outside zone run scheme from I have gleaned. Barner may not be a good inline blocking tight end at the next level at his current weight, but if the idea is to get him out in space and blocking on edges and LBs, then I think his weight issue can be a bit negated.
The other one for me is that Jerrell was on Hawk Blogger, and said his favorite concept to run was outside zone AND he was a converted TE. I think we are looking at a new jumbo package taking place with two good blockers who can move in space.
I love how you said "make me eat my words" that is what is all about cudos to you
I didn't see Murphy in any top 10 mocks until April really. It was Newton going to Seattle usually. That said, Bralen Trice was in every 1st round until March.
As for the identity, Joe Klatt has said it a few times, that when he interviewed McDonald at Michigan, he said that his defensive philosophy is to build a run wall 1st, then build out from there.
He never quite did that in Baltimore, maybe this pick is him doing that.
Good news about your Mrs Rob
I agree with you on day 1 and 2, day 3 players will really need to prove themselves or John let us and the coaching staff down
We can say what all/who we don't like. Seahawks have people jobs depend on players they scout. They bring film back to Mcdonald/ Schindler and they make the call. Point is they don't care what we think
And? That doesn’t make them right, or mean we can’t analyse
Based on John deferring to Mike as the 'linebacker guru' in the post-draft presser in regards to Tyrice Knight, it makes me think that this may have been someone Macdonald was really pushing for.
If he sees more in his potential as a legitimate contributor at linebacker than most of us do, so be it.
I wasn't upset so much about the player himself as I was about where he was selected because of the players they passed on at that selection, as Rob detailed. Same with Barner. I didn't like the Pritchett pick at all.
If they decided they had to pounce on Knight where they did because of the run on linebackers that occurred sooner than expected and they didn't think he'd be there later, fair enough. If that's the case and Macdonald really did love him, I can live with that.
The quarterback situation continues to annoy, but I agree that it's a tough set of circumstances that can't all necessarily be laid at John's feet.
I'm higher on Howell's potential upside than most, but I'm still not delusional enough to think he's the locked-in choice as QB of the future. I'm hoping there will at least be some measure of clarity of their plans after this season.
I saw that Bob Condotta reported that the Seahawks' interest in possibly bringing Jamal back is regarded in league circles as 'legitimate'. Christ, I'll be so pissed off if they do that.
Another thing we don't really know what Mcdonald might do on defense. Only speculate on his time in Baltimore. They got the players they wanted. We are all just just lounge chair GMs posting for like not pay. Love the channel. Keep up the good work
What you said about hoping Sam Howell starts this year is exactly how I felt last year if you substitute Lock for Howell. Why not find out what you've got? Particularly when the best you're going to be with Geno is mediocre.
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I initially felt this way also, but after reflection I have concluded that I have to trust the coaching staff and not who we pick. Pete is gone, and taking those kinds of players is also gone. I'm sure Pete would have drafted some of the players you named. I don't think he would have taken Murphy. Time to adjust our perception of what the team will do.
Grading is grading. I can’t grade the players then after the draft just give the team the benefit of the doubt
I feel like day 3 is the day to go get the guys you love over obsessing over value. It’s fine to not like the picks, but it’s kind ridiculous to be up in arms over the draft board value of picks made in the 5th round on.
Agreed, day 3 was bad in my opinion, not because of the positions selected, but in terms of opportunity cost for the players we passed on. Giving drafts grades is subjective and really doesn't mean anything, but we all have our opinions. Day 3 for me did not feel like we were drafting for value or Day 3 unless we are talking about maybe the corner backs. It felt very much like we locked into "our guys" which on a scale of bad things to do in a draft for me is the second worst (Value > "Our Guy" > Need). We will see how this turns out, but I am not overly hyped for the day 3 players. There is a large majority of Seahawks fans online who are just far too tribal about things. They are all in for their players (Russ, Geno etc.) or their coach (Pete etc) and if you offer any critique or perspective you are supposedly a band wagon fan or a football idiot. It's comical really, most of the time they are dead wrong.
Go hawks
I just think when you talk about Barner and his size limitations for being a blocking TE. If you compare his and Dissly’s testing numbers his are all around better than Dissly and only 9 pounds lighter at draft time. Also If you look at P. Brown who we drafted and per our coaching staff is a great bocking TE who is just a shade over 240lbs.
9lbs isn’t insignificant for testing results. Plus, Brown has been a career journeyman
day three tells me one thing: Mike Macdonald didn't like the existing cornerback room.
The Hawk's refuse to draft interior oline early it seems, and JS said interior line is overdrafted and overpaid.
we wwill all be watching Knight ...they obviously saw something they really liked
I think the common theme of the draft was guys who work hard and are dawgs on the field. I wanna give MacDonald the benefit of the doubt and that his defense and coaching can really help these players.
I think Haynes will compete at LG. I think Tomlinson gives you a floor but he’s only here for a year. Haynes has the mobility and smarts to play there IMO. Laumea will probably compete for back up RG, Mike Jerrell will be the new Curhan and Forsythe will back LT.
I’ll be surprised if they move Haynes to LG
Fingers crossed they don't take a career RG and give him the lewis treatment.
@@iron_bison Indeed!
@@iron_bison Haynes is much more better athlete and tactician than Lewis. Lewis was also 15-20lbs heavier and run mauler but should have stayed at RG, I agree. However, there is no one behind Tomlinson and I’d rather Haynes than Laumea move to LG. It’s just an opinion, we’ll see what they do but I think Haynes can do it
Agreed on o-line. Haynes im a fan of. Lucas if healthy im happy with. Olu im still hopeful for.
Cross isn’t physical enough. Never seemed that way and hasn’t grown into it. Our middling signings certainly don’t fix anything. They’re just stopgaps.
I don't think we gained on our division. Murphy II was a steal at 16. Lots of reaches for other guys.
It appears that the day 3 draft was about players they wanted and not about value , time will tell as always !
Watch the NC State vs UConn film. Haynes is an animal. Just ask Peyton Wilson.
I think Mustafa will be a guy you are correct on and I think you will be incorrect on Tampa
And the bomber is Mustafa went to the 49ers
*bummer
If Murphy & Haynes are starters, then I'll accept a .250 batting avg for a 1st draft under McDonald.
Got about half way through the video and had to make sure this was a new video because it's the exact same thing; complaining about the 3rd day picks
It’s analysis reflecting on the class overall. Sorry you can’t handle it and have to make snide remarks
@@robstatonfootball Listen, I like a lot of your material on the Hawks, that's why I listen to all of it. I just wish you would use your knowledge and sources to give me (us) a bit more of "what can this prospect do for the team" instead of a repeated negative reaction
Good analysis. I hope JS proves everyone wrong.
@@whitefroglegs32go listen to Corbin Smith. He's got you covered for that style of takes.
@dougsmith6346 why? He's just the gm. Why are people so much more vested in JS than the seahawks?
All I have to say is we really don’t know how these day 3 picks are gonna play out, they could be some late round gems for all we know but to write them off cause they didn’t line up with your board is silly
What’s silly is you suggesting I’m writing anybody off. There’s no point doing 12 months of tape study and research (including consulting with people in the league) if I’m just going to then change my view on value grading to be positive simply because the Seahawks draft certain players. People like you might want that copium - and it might stop me getting dumb messages - but then my work would be totally and utterly pointless
I felt like Schneider was just picking willy-nilly on Day 3 of the draft. But what makes it worse is that these late round picks will be kept on the roster even if they are less talented than the UDFA's who turn out for minicamps, because Schneider has proven (with the Adams trade) that he will never admit to making mistakes.
A solid draft grade of C .... 2 ok picks and a bunch of practice squad players.
Most other teams did far better.
JS reached a lot though. Nothing new.
Hufanga is most likely going to be cut after offseason. Luckily I follow both hawks and 9ers and that's why can call out this baloney by you. Your 2nd round grade did nothing for the 9ers last year. Missed the entire season.
If you think he’s going to be cut, I’ve got some magic beans I’d love to sell you