My favourite reaction of Joy to the World so far, were others missed so much because they were busy looking for things to dislike, you just watched it and seemed to get much more from it than others.
Reel Rejects, Sesskasays, and Blind Wave are all great Who reaction channels that are similar to Omn1. They all accept the show for what it is and love it.
I'm fine with the bootstrap paradox thing. It's a classic time travel conundrum people have been philosophizing about for as long as the idea of time travel has been a thing ("if your future self appears and gives you a book, and you later go back in time to give yourself the same book, then where did the book actually come from?"), and I thought it was pretty funny.
I love this Doctor and so enjoyed this special. I wouldn't be sad to see Anita again. They were playing Clue, BTW, not Guess Who. The bit at the end was rough for me. I was living in another state when my mom passed. ---------------- Joel Fry has been in a few things I've seen including _Cruella_ and _Our Flag Means Death._ I was happy to see him here.
@@roguexxrenegade Do you mean in a reboot, or are you suggesting she's a Time Lady who can regenerate? Or -- and here's my cynical guess -- are you just being a bigoted asshole and think you're being clever making a point that doesn't actually make sense?
Bro you're just obsessed with talking shits.... That's what all your dedicated comments do apparently as if everyone should share the same mind as you @@joshuajoshua2732
@@joshuajoshua2732Disney hasn’t done anything that RTD didn’t do the first time. You remember waving fat and farting zipperhead aliens? It’s still the same show. Not recognizing that the show has always been silly is just straight up foolish.
I enjoyed the Christmas special,it was fun,I hope we see more of the Doctor and Anita in the future,and Joy and her mothers story was heart breaking,the season 2 trailer looks exciting too,looks like season 2 is going to be a banger,Merry Christmas Omni
Joel Fry (Trev) is so good at playing an immediately endearing character, as is Nicola. I had never heard of Steph de Whalley (Anita) before this episode, but now I desperately want to see a series about the time hotel starring her! And Ncuti is perfection🤩 Actually love the use of the bootstrap paradox because Moffat used it in both a flawless short (Time Crash), and in one of my favourite Capaldi episodes ‘Before the Flood’. (Okay, I have a LOT of favourite Capaldi episodes) Absolutely wonderful episode & reaction 💜💜➕🌈🟦
Not sure if it was already said but the actress playing the new companion was Cinta Kaz in Andor if you remember her. Also the new companion isn't the same character as the soldier from Boom, she's an entirely new person but with the same appearance. I imagine either there might be some kind of Clara mystery to that or they might just explain that she's an ancestor or something (Sort of like how they explained the connection with Gwyneth and Gwen)
Don't know how familiar you are with Partygate as an American but it was a pretty big thing in the UK a few years ago and it was incredibly important that the show brought it up and how betrayed people felt with all the loss they already suffered.
I'm not sure how omn1 doesn't know about the random locked door in hotel rooms. I've been seeing em all my life lol The bootstrap paradox is totally fine in my opinion,how would the doctor have figured out any info about the case if he was thousands of years in the past? Him having it because of his future self is entirely plausible. It even explains how the timelines being physically connected negates paradoxes as well.
It was him acknowleding it meant the information came from nothing that made it okay to me. I'm fine with a paradox as long as they say it's a paradox, lol. And this one is less crazy than some others since the linked timelines meant he really wasn't passing into his own timestream.
There was an initial doctor who got the number the very long way round, gave it to his past self and such created a boostrap paradox where from now on he can just use the number he got from himself, errasing the initial thing from ever happening.
The Star itself is a bootstrap paradox. Doc got it wrong in thinking it's a weapon. It created the Church that Villengard gets most of its profit from as their biggest customer. So their biggest customer exists because they facilitated their creation.
I thought I might like this episode when I was seeing the trailers, but I LOVED it. I cried maybe four times lmao, but I know I'm extra emotional. I think it's my 3rd or 4th fave of all the specials. The only iffy part for me was what's one of Ncuti's eras weaknesses for me and it's the overuse of 'modern lingo' in a way that often feels awkwardly shoe-horned. Sometimes it's clever and makes me laugh but plugging that in too much every chance you get feels cheap. Regardless I always give Xmas specials a bit of a pass on any camp or cheesiness because that's part of the spirit for me haha. But yeah, I really loved this one. Loved Trev and Anita and Joy, especially Anita though. Her year with the Doctor really encompassed one of the most important parts of him, the show, and the companions for me. The note to never let himself be alone, the way he loves people, how it's important, any small moment he lets himself breath for a time. It reminded me of his 24 years with River, his time with Donna (in both senses), his Xmas with the Ponds, the time 10 was convinced by Jackson Lake to spend Xmas dinner with him. Especially with Ncuti's Doctor's character and the sort of arc they've set him on at this point in his life. I just really really loved it. I really love his doctor to, I can't think of anyone who could pull off this personality better than Ncuti. I hope his seasons find great success. I also loved him getting mad and annoyed at himself haha. I mean, how could you not? You have to meet yourself all the time, and with the type of guy he is and things he knows- I sure believe I'd drive MYself crazy lol!
I think this was a classic Moff episode. No Doctor Who writer can pull tears from us like he can. Russell is good with excitement and set piece's but Moff brings the emotion. All through the ep I was saying to myself. You bastard Moffat! I also got the feeling he had something to say. The core of Joy not being able to say goodbye because she was following the rules while government which set the rules up broke them I believe was one of the foundation blocks of this episode, alongside loneliness and hope. When Steve wants to say something. You know you have a winner. I dont care that some people don't like his writing. It's fine. But dammit I love his writing. Doctor Who lost a lot of the emotional beats when Chibnall took over and thats what ive loved about RTD bringing him back. Of course with season 2. We need to let more new blood in as well. I believe this is Moffs sign-off for a while, but I hope RTD will bring him back again once per season.
I'm with you on that one. It'll be great to see the Rani return. The Master is great, but I would love to see other time lords appear occasionally like the Rani or the Meddling Monk.
maybe, though bbc do not own the rights to the rani, its creator does so unless they threw a lot of money at the creator or the creators estate we may not see the rani ever again
Had a lot of fun with it. The hotel is such a great Doctor Who set piece. I actually really liked the scenes with Anita and that they took time for it. Feels fitting for christmas. Not sure I vibe with the ending. Joy went along with everything the case/star wanted and now it's just fine because Christmas? And those scenes with Joy's mom just felt too real. Hit home too close in a way I didn't enjoy. Still a big fan of Ncuti's Doctor.
the recent previous foes were primordial aspects kinda like Neil Gaiman's Endless in the DC run also semi-disturbing statement: did Joy rob her past self of her mother via disintegration?
So if you think of Roman numerals...they don't actually have the number 0. Not like we think of it. In fact, the Mayans were the first to use "0" in a calander and that wasn't until ~350AD. Zero is a more philisophical concept than most people realize. When you're first learning to count on your fingers you start with "1" not "0" and when talking about days in a month/year, you start on the 1st day, there's never a 0th day. It's kind of like that. People understood the concept of "nothing" but that wouldn't have applied to things like timekeeping.
@yuukinoyuki9064 My edit with me having already answered myself is post me having read up on that already. I assume you'll say this is for other people to read on it, but there's too much to put here. We in fact do use zero in time. We may be counting each second, but 60 seconds or minutes is also 00 for a clock. We've already moved on from the previous minute or hour. Midnight is 0000 or more specifically 00:00:00 outside of the lunacy of trying to count ever specific second of the rotation of the planet. It's weird to consider but most-non Westerns or just people in business are used to 24-hours clocks (because I have been outside the US and used to business and logistics using 24-hours). My original thinking regarding my comment was considering built on the Age of the Baby similar to why AD (not ACE) is used at all. It was years from the Birth. I understand you wouldn't say 0 years from birth yes, but it was a lot of conflating systems and overthinking. Children aren't 1 years when born, they are between 0 and 1 years. Most people aren't thinking about Second 1, Minute 1, Day 1 and Month 1. It's almost like binary for a year. You're 0 until you're 1 (unless you want to get morbid, and one day you're 0 after you 'stop aging'). They just stop recording your age, but living is just binary when you think about it.
Day 1 of Year 1 would be the first day of a brand new era. The fact it's the end of the December (if we pretend the 25th is actually his birth day) makes that a little more awkward.
@AmazingChi That kind of the other problem with Moffat using this in Canon. Since that wouldn't be the actual birth time, just the one "someone" "adapted" to be it. It would be at least be the birth of Horus (who at least was Canon to Doctor Whoverse) or of Mithra. Now we're getting into unnecessary weeds because cultural history can be dumb. Anyway, Year 1, when the Solstice happens and the Earth decides it's on speaking terms with the sun again.
Martha was explained as the character played by the same actress was her cousin, I believe. This seems more like a Clara situation, which worries me as I didn't really like that storyline. I'd rather it was the same character if you are using the same actress, but we will see.
@cooluncle4242 but they re-use actors all the time. Karen Gillam was in Pomeii before being Amy. Obviously so was Capaldi, but he was also in Torchwood. David Bradley was Solomon on the Dinosaurs on a Spaceship episode before he played the First Doctor. Also LOADS of one-off characters over the years with the same actors. I think like most of these scenarios, they hired her for an episode. They liked what she did. And so they looked to her when they needed a new character. I don't think it's necessarily an intentional thing like Susan Triad being everywhere throughout the last season.
I really enjoyed this episode. Pun not intended. It was great to see Ncuti bouncing around again as the Doctor. I loved seeing him be mean, but this time, it was with a purpose. Moffat was always good at writing a mean Doctor. I’m going to say it again, but I’m getting sick of the Doctor crying. He’s allowed to feel his emotions, but the fact he’s cried in every single episode has really, really, really cheapened his crying, being effective to the audience for me. I think Anita was more interesting and impactful than Joy was. The episode is basically titled after her, and yet she disappears for a third of the episode. Also, shouldn't it be "Bethlehem 0000" or "Bethlehem 0001 B.C." and not "Bethlehem 0001"?
So you've been publicly complaining about Doctor Who since the revival in 2005? Wow, I can't imagine being so miserable that I spend twenty years just complaining that I don't like something to people who do like it.
Small touch, Joy's mother was in Royal Hope Hospital - the one where Martha was training in, that got taken to the moon.
My favourite reaction of Joy to the World so far, were others missed so much because they were busy looking for things to dislike, you just watched it and seemed to get much more from it than others.
That's why we come... His reactions are always peak ❤
Reel Rejects, Sesskasays, and Blind Wave are all great Who reaction channels that are similar to Omn1. They all accept the show for what it is and love it.
That whole Doctor and Anita part was Ncuti's "Doctor moment" for me. Wonderful.
fun fact this was anita's first time acting for a tv series i believe
This was my favorite episode for this doctor, hit all the makes, the darker humor, and the subtly anger. Hope they can keep this energy for the season
I'm fine with the bootstrap paradox thing. It's a classic time travel conundrum people have been philosophizing about for as long as the idea of time travel has been a thing ("if your future self appears and gives you a book, and you later go back in time to give yourself the same book, then where did the book actually come from?"), and I thought it was pretty funny.
Probably my favorite way Doctor Who has addressed bootstraps. This and Capaldi’s intro in Before the Flood.
The two women that Basil knew could be Vastra and Jenny. I believe they lived on Paternoster Row which I think was destroyed during the London Blitz.
...Also....Middle-Earth existed in Doctor Who, it's canon, anyone noticed that lil Hobbit Door?
I did mention that haha
Could just be to Hobbiton to watch the filming as an experience...
27:58 "now it clicks", then it clicking for you right after was so good!
Happy new year!
I love this Doctor and so enjoyed this special.
I wouldn't be sad to see Anita again. They were playing Clue, BTW, not Guess Who.
The bit at the end was rough for me. I was living in another state when my mom passed.
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Joel Fry has been in a few things I've seen including _Cruella_ and _Our Flag Means Death._ I was happy to see him here.
I’m living alone, without parents, boyfriend, or siblings, so I have no intentions to live for anyone. I truly understand Joy’s sacrifice ❤
in a way it's freeing tho isn't it ? there's always a silver lining
Valengard goes all the way back to a 9th Doctor mention.
The 9th Doctor should’ve been black
@@roguexxrenegadeDidn’t need too cuz we got Eccleston who was essential to the shows revived success, and we have now with Ncuti
@@dylanburton4955 Every Doctor should’ve been black. We owe them that.
@@roguexxrenegade You're not as clever as you think you are.
@@IceMetalPunk girl ew take ur Reddit ahh comment and LEAVE omg
make anita a returning guest character like U.N.I.T, their chemistry was so touching
i’d love her to be the third in a trio like nyssa or nardole as well !!
Make Anita a black woman
she needs to be the new companion like her way better than Ruby
@@roguexxrenegade Do you mean in a reboot, or are you suggesting she's a Time Lady who can regenerate? Or -- and here's my cynical guess -- are you just being a bigoted asshole and think you're being clever making a point that doesn't actually make sense?
Anyone who can see a Silurian in their hotel for the first time and calmly continue on is definitely companion material.
Finally the greatest show in the universe has finally returned
It was the greatest show in the universe until Disney took over.
@@joshuajoshua2732nah still is, even at its lower points
Bro you're just obsessed with talking shits.... That's what all your dedicated comments do apparently as if everyone should share the same mind as you @@joshuajoshua2732
i like to call doctor who the greatest show in the galaxy as a nod to the classic story of the same name
@@joshuajoshua2732Disney hasn’t done anything that RTD didn’t do the first time. You remember waving fat and farting zipperhead aliens? It’s still the same show. Not recognizing that the show has always been silly is just straight up foolish.
I enjoyed the Christmas special,it was fun,I hope we see more of the Doctor and Anita in the future,and Joy and her mothers story was heart breaking,the season 2 trailer looks exciting too,looks like season 2 is going to be a banger,Merry Christmas Omni
Varada Sethu is playing a new character called, Belinda Chandra, not the solider called Mundy Flynn.
Weird choice. At least they explained it away with Martha, Clara, and Capaldi. Interested to see how they’ll explain this one.
27:07 she couldn’t see her mom because of the rules and it’s 2020. It’s sad to think about that actually happend because of those COVID rules.
What I need to know is if this is the sentient star that 10 and Jones go to
Ooooo that would be cool if so!
Joel Fry (Trev) is so good at playing an immediately endearing character, as is Nicola.
I had never heard of Steph de Whalley (Anita) before this episode, but now I desperately want to see a series about the time hotel starring her!
And Ncuti is perfection🤩
Actually love the use of the bootstrap paradox because Moffat used it in both a flawless short (Time Crash), and in one of my favourite Capaldi episodes ‘Before the Flood’. (Okay, I have a LOT of favourite Capaldi episodes)
Absolutely wonderful episode & reaction 💜💜➕🌈🟦
Hey Omn1👋🏻. That guy is from Our Flag Means Death
Cool hotel comedy idea for a tv series.
The window and the war thing, people had to black out their windows so they dont become targets at night
Not sure if it was already said but the actress playing the new companion was Cinta Kaz in Andor if you remember her. Also the new companion isn't the same character as the soldier from Boom, she's an entirely new person but with the same appearance. I imagine either there might be some kind of Clara mystery to that or they might just explain that she's an ancestor or something (Sort of like how they explained the connection with Gwyneth and Gwen)
The guy who plays Trev is from Game of thrones and Plebs.
This is peak Moffat.
When The Doctor said to Anita, "Have a chair." I had to hit pause and take a walk. That hit HARD. Many, many reasons why, but wow, Moffat is amazing.
Don't know how familiar you are with Partygate as an American but it was a pretty big thing in the UK a few years ago and it was incredibly important that the show brought it up and how betrayed people felt with all the loss they already suffered.
I'm not sure how omn1 doesn't know about the random locked door in hotel rooms. I've been seeing em all my life lol
The bootstrap paradox is totally fine in my opinion,how would the doctor have figured out any info about the case if he was thousands of years in the past? Him having it because of his future self is entirely plausible. It even explains how the timelines being physically connected negates paradoxes as well.
It was him acknowleding it meant the information came from nothing that made it okay to me. I'm fine with a paradox as long as they say it's a paradox, lol. And this one is less crazy than some others since the linked timelines meant he really wasn't passing into his own timestream.
There was an initial doctor who got the number the very long way round, gave it to his past self and such created a boostrap paradox where from now on he can just use the number he got from himself, errasing the initial thing from ever happening.
The Star itself is a bootstrap paradox. Doc got it wrong in thinking it's a weapon. It created the Church that Villengard gets most of its profit from as their biggest customer. So their biggest customer exists because they facilitated their creation.
Merry Christmas, Omni!
DeTamble's!!! And Moffat's Time Traveler's Wife obsession persists.
Merry Christmas Omni, hope you had a great one, great reaction as always
I thought I might like this episode when I was seeing the trailers, but I LOVED it. I cried maybe four times lmao, but I know I'm extra emotional. I think it's my 3rd or 4th fave of all the specials.
The only iffy part for me was what's one of Ncuti's eras weaknesses for me and it's the overuse of 'modern lingo' in a way that often feels awkwardly shoe-horned. Sometimes it's clever and makes me laugh but plugging that in too much every chance you get feels cheap. Regardless I always give Xmas specials a bit of a pass on any camp or cheesiness because that's part of the spirit for me haha.
But yeah, I really loved this one. Loved Trev and Anita and Joy, especially Anita though. Her year with the Doctor really encompassed one of the most important parts of him, the show, and the companions for me. The note to never let himself be alone, the way he loves people, how it's important, any small moment he lets himself breath for a time. It reminded me of his 24 years with River, his time with Donna (in both senses), his Xmas with the Ponds, the time 10 was convinced by Jackson Lake to spend Xmas dinner with him. Especially with Ncuti's Doctor's character and the sort of arc they've set him on at this point in his life. I just really really loved it. I really love his doctor to, I can't think of anyone who could pull off this personality better than Ncuti. I hope his seasons find great success.
I also loved him getting mad and annoyed at himself haha. I mean, how could you not? You have to meet yourself all the time, and with the type of guy he is and things he knows- I sure believe I'd drive MYself crazy lol!
Hey, Omni! Merry Christmas. :)
Idk if the ending landed for me but I do think it’s funny that the writers wrote ‘and then she becomes a star’ and they actually filmed it
the doctor never likes himself lol
I have that lil Tardis Can! ...no longer filled with Mints though
I think this was a classic Moff episode. No Doctor Who writer can pull tears from us like he can. Russell is good with excitement and set piece's but Moff brings the emotion. All through the ep I was saying to myself. You bastard Moffat! I also got the feeling he had something to say. The core of Joy not being able to say goodbye because she was following the rules while government which set the rules up broke them I believe was one of the foundation blocks of this episode, alongside loneliness and hope. When Steve wants to say something. You know you have a winner. I dont care that some people don't like his writing. It's fine. But dammit I love his writing. Doctor Who lost a lot of the emotional beats when Chibnall took over and thats what ive loved about RTD bringing him back. Of course with season 2. We need to let more new blood in as well. I believe this is Moffs sign-off for a while, but I hope RTD will bring him back again once per season.
Mrs Flood (TheRani..... i live in hope) was in trailer
yessssssss. PLEASE.
I'm with you on that one. It'll be great to see the Rani return. The Master is great, but I would love to see other time lords appear occasionally like the Rani or the Meddling Monk.
maybe, though bbc do not own the rights to the rani, its creator does so unless they threw a lot of money at the creator or the creators estate we may not see the rani ever again
I missed the Christmas Doctor Who episode
Merry Xmas I'm gonna watch it in a bit
30:10 speaking of wich, didn’t Mickey and Martha work at UNIT?
he got the code cause bootstrap paradox
Merry Christmas!
3:57 I haven't seen that actor since the Cruella movie.
it's funny, i spent my holiday alone this year too, physically and virtually. Odd coincidence for this episodes theme
Had a lot of fun with it. The hotel is such a great Doctor Who set piece. I actually really liked the scenes with Anita and that they took time for it. Feels fitting for christmas.
Not sure I vibe with the ending. Joy went along with everything the case/star wanted and now it's just fine because Christmas? And those scenes with Joy's mom just felt too real. Hit home too close in a way I didn't enjoy.
Still a big fan of Ncuti's Doctor.
the recent previous foes were primordial aspects kinda like Neil Gaiman's Endless in the DC run
also semi-disturbing statement: did Joy rob her past self of her mother via disintegration?
I feel like that year should be 0000, not 0001? Was there no ACE Year Zero? Edit: Apparently not! Went from BCE 1 to ACE 1. Weird.
So if you think of Roman numerals...they don't actually have the number 0. Not like we think of it. In fact, the Mayans were the first to use "0" in a calander and that wasn't until ~350AD.
Zero is a more philisophical concept than most people realize. When you're first learning to count on your fingers you start with "1" not "0" and when talking about days in a month/year, you start on the 1st day, there's never a 0th day.
It's kind of like that.
People understood the concept of "nothing" but that wouldn't have applied to things like timekeeping.
@yuukinoyuki9064 My edit with me having already answered myself is post me having read up on that already. I assume you'll say this is for other people to read on it, but there's too much to put here.
We in fact do use zero in time. We may be counting each second, but 60 seconds or minutes is also 00 for a clock. We've already moved on from the previous minute or hour. Midnight is 0000 or more specifically 00:00:00 outside of the lunacy of trying to count ever specific second of the rotation of the planet. It's weird to consider but most-non Westerns or just people in business are used to 24-hours clocks (because I have been outside the US and used to business and logistics using 24-hours).
My original thinking regarding my comment was considering built on the Age of the Baby similar to why AD (not ACE) is used at all. It was years from the Birth. I understand you wouldn't say 0 years from birth yes, but it was a lot of conflating systems and overthinking. Children aren't 1 years when born, they are between 0 and 1 years. Most people aren't thinking about Second 1, Minute 1, Day 1 and Month 1. It's almost like binary for a year. You're 0 until you're 1 (unless you want to get morbid, and one day you're 0 after you 'stop aging'). They just stop recording your age, but living is just binary when you think about it.
Day 1 of Year 1 would be the first day of a brand new era. The fact it's the end of the December (if we pretend the 25th is actually his birth day) makes that a little more awkward.
@AmazingChi That kind of the other problem with Moffat using this in Canon. Since that wouldn't be the actual birth time, just the one "someone" "adapted" to be it. It would be at least be the birth of Horus (who at least was Canon to Doctor Whoverse) or of Mithra.
Now we're getting into unnecessary weeds because cultural history can be dumb.
Anyway, Year 1, when the Solstice happens and the Earth decides it's on speaking terms with the sun again.
The new companion is the same actor as the soldier, but different character.
Kind of like Martha.
Martha was explained as the character played by the same actress was her cousin, I believe.
This seems more like a Clara situation, which worries me as I didn't really like that storyline. I'd rather it was the same character if you are using the same actress, but we will see.
@cooluncle4242 but they re-use actors all the time. Karen Gillam was in Pomeii before being Amy. Obviously so was Capaldi, but he was also in Torchwood. David Bradley was Solomon on the Dinosaurs on a Spaceship episode before he played the First Doctor. Also LOADS of one-off characters over the years with the same actors.
I think like most of these scenarios, they hired her for an episode. They liked what she did. And so they looked to her when they needed a new character.
I don't think it's necessarily an intentional thing like Susan Triad being everywhere throughout the last season.
Guys who thinks travis is like bob
I really enjoyed this episode. Pun not intended. It was great to see Ncuti bouncing around again as the Doctor. I loved seeing him be mean, but this time, it was with a purpose. Moffat was always good at writing a mean Doctor. I’m going to say it again, but I’m getting sick of the Doctor crying. He’s allowed to feel his emotions, but the fact he’s cried in every single episode has really, really, really cheapened his crying, being effective to the audience for me. I think Anita was more interesting and impactful than Joy was. The episode is basically titled after her, and yet she disappears for a third of the episode. Also, shouldn't it be "Bethlehem 0000" or "Bethlehem 0001 B.C." and not "Bethlehem 0001"?
utter crap
Absolute crap this is not Dr. Who it died in 1989.
Absolute crap this is not Dr. Who it died in 1989.
So you've been publicly complaining about Doctor Who since the revival in 2005? Wow, I can't imagine being so miserable that I spend twenty years just complaining that I don't like something to people who do like it.