Maybe this drive is exactly what the FSD Team needs. If everyone submits the perfect drive then the Team will think their baby is the prettiest thing. Give them more of this and it will definitely help the cause. Thank you for your service 😊
@@thatchwhistle "If the car was driving flawlessly, It wouldn't be beta."?? That isn't entirely true! The car can still drive perfectly all by itself, when operating in a given Beta version of the FSD software, immediately before said Beta version being declared successfully out of Beta by its developer.
@@thatchwhistle "You can't hide bad performance from the FSD team. " And yet FSD has been in beta for almost 4 years, with lots of performance issues over that time.
V12 user here since mid-February. Actually, there is a deviation in v12 from the car Visualizations and how the car is actually Navigating. What I have found is that the car will actually determine the best route, or should I say, it’s own route, regardless of the Map Navigation on screen in some situations. It seems to be deciding between options that we as the driver cannot see. I would say its thinking, but that’s not quite how AI works. It is being presented with options, based on the present environment, and then randomly changing as it “weighs” those options, ignoring the pre-mapped route. So if you are use to V11, and previous versions, where it follows the navigation precisely, it would appear that the car is making a mistake now. However, it you allow it to continue, it will definately navigate you to your pinned destination. I found this both exciting and puzzling. When l leave my home for work in the morning, I really can be surprised by what route it takes. For the most part, it does track to the Navigation on screen, but it cleary deviates sometimes based on what it perceives. I would recommend you perform the same drive, but this time, don’t assume it’s making a mistake unless it makes a Safety Critical error, or it delivers you to the wrong destination. You might be surprised.
Interesting! I also heard people commenting on this behavior on X. I fast-forwarded through the part in the video at 11:27 where it pulled over randomly & I waited for quite some time hoping it would figure out where to go next, but it didn't do anything after some time so I took over manually. I didn't have enough patience to wait more than 30 seconds for it to start moving again since it seems permanently stuck behind the red parked car.
Thanks for your high value videos! Maybe Chicago downtown handling by FSD should become the benchmark of the team for measuring FSD progress. To me, Chicago also resembles more some of the chaotic European cities, which one day, FSD will also need to handle well. I look forward to see more 👍👌
next time it missed a turn, can you just keep fsd on to see if it is trying to reroute? I have seen videos of 12.3 doing reroute and even finding a shorter route.
9:44 Yes! Please let it run the course next time. FSD team have said the visualization is just an approximation of what FSD is doing. This disengagement was definitely not for safety reasons. Maybe NAV just needs to be more in sync with FSD.
With all due respect, sir, I think you’ll be a little too hard on the software here. This is an extremely complex intersection with pedestrians all over the place! The car may not be at the level of a very experience human driver but I give it an A- here
FSD V12 seems almost perfect in San Francisco and some other California areas but when it is released to other states quite dismal. Other times it will initially perform very poorly then do same route almost perfectly on same version. Some people say it is map data been updated without any notification. Other people say the FSD per car might have some memory that remembers driver corrections for local conditions. Whatever it is it seems strange.
thanks for sharing! as a FSD enthusiast, and a user, I still believe we are experiencing a inflection point, so that everything can change very fast, and personally, I do not think it will take more than 6 years to get us to perfect self driving.
Perfect self driving is the same as skilled human driving? A human can drive every day for years, in the dark or rain or rush-hour traffic, and not get in an accident. That is a very high standard, one that FSD may never reach.
Don't hesitate to post failure, no need to be upset about it, just factual. Hiding it wont get us there faster, quite the opposite. For the purposes of success, natural failures are the most interesting parts. Those are the most valuable to focus on. And definitely test in the basement of Chicago (underground city) because of the loss of GPS and very unusual road appearance. That's unique in the entire world afaik so it's an obvious benchmark as something very different than the bulk of driving. I'm not american but I've heard americans pronounce wabash as waughbash. Same sound as war. There may be multiple ways :) I've probably heard new yorkers say it.
Hi, nice video and editing. Don’t you think you should let the car solve the situation it gets into by not being able to turn? It is like Uber or taxi driving, let the car/driver drive and judge afterwards and don’t try that it has to follow your route to the destination. At 17:25, don’t you think the car hesitated due to the pedestrians on the left wanting to cross the intersection? A new E2E AI version has to be defensive and shouldn’t push to hard.
Thanks! This one, my friend, is a very tough one - I have waited in the past (many times) only to be honked at loudly, or to have the software wait even more. In a busy city, if you're not aggressively moving toward pedestrians to find or to create a gap, other drivers get very angry and impatient. I think it's easy to watch a video and to think that it should be OK to wait, but in real life, it's very different. I've waited in the past, and the comments I received were filled with hate: "Why are you letting FSD annoy other drivers so much?" and "You're the exact reason why FSD should be banned from the roads!!" and "Jerks like you are going to ruin FSD for the rest of us!".
@@techgeektesla I understand, you can never make it right for everybody, at the end safety is most important. The mix of manual drivers and autonomous driving is much more difficult than autonomous alone. So we are investing so much effort for just a short transition period. Keep on making FSD videos!
The music that plays when you sped up the video was a bit loud and made it hard to understand what you were saying. Thanks for sharing this content. Your camera setup is great.
@@techgeektesla Yes I watched it all and posted after. You were commenting multiple times throughout that you were not going to post the video because FSD was poor. I was saying that we want to see that, you shouldn't worry about.
I feel the same way. If it’s a 15+ minute video with a lot of driving, I’m not there to listen to commentary while they’re stopped at traffic lights, I’m there to see the pivotal moments and how they analyze and discuss things that are happening or have happened. I’m hyper aware of this when I’m creating my own videos and it’s the main reason why I almost scrapped this entire video. The only great creator that focuses on this to the max is AIDRIVR, and his content is above and beyond.🔥
Please do not hesitate to post bad performance. I like FSD and want it to succeed but I dont want to get a cherrypicked representation of what it can do.
At 10:10 , there is a car blocking the lane with his emergency flashers on. And the lane to the left of that has a lot of traffic. This is a common occurrence, and FSD cannot handle that? Backward steps, indeed.
0:07 "October 16th" - Despite it is clear that you meant "March" instead of "October" I think this blunder would deserve a mention in the video description. 👍
Looked like at 17:29, there were pedestrians that you would have encountered if you had gone.You are far more aggressive than I would have been in that intersection.
8:00: You don't think it will be capable as a robotaxi until 2030, because it can't recognize when pedestrians are drunk... despite that Waymo has robotaxis NOW, which clearly don't need that capability (I can't think of any time I have needed that capability either), and Tesla's FSD is almost as good as the Waymo cars on the same routes... Fascinating take 🤨 I don't understand why you don't want to post video of FSD's flaws? That's literally the important parts. It's not surprising that it's doing well in some places and poorly in others; it's always been like that. Also not surprising if it was a temporary step back in performance, since it's a new architecture. It's had to relearn things it had mastered before. The surprising part is that it's already better than V11 in some parts of the country. And hot damn those roads are RIDDLED with potholes! WTF, Chicago?? 😨
since there is no more coding on v12 onward where they just look up for the lines of code that need to change, they need to find more of the videos where people driving around those area which need improvement to train the AI the weird steering wheel part is probably just the car/AI do "stretching" just like human would do while waiting in red light after a long drive 😂
I know you took over when It went the wrong way but I've seen videos of it going the way that the lane intends the car to go and Then reroutes Also I've seen Videos where does it wrong and then They go back two days after or one day after even And it does that right I think that they're Training set is updating every day I can't confirm this but when I watch Cyber lift you he does Uber and he found a couple of areas that the car was unsuccessful and he went back a couple days later and it did it right so I wonder if you went back if you would have the same result
8:36 Where all your credibility jumps into a dumpster. There was no way it should have gone left on that intersection given the speed that the car in the left lane was accelerating upward... It would have required a very sudden acceleration and shift there was no space or time for that. Also, humans miss turns all the time for the same reason... You getting a lane? Maybe in a central lane on a multi-lane road you expect to make a given turn in this case a left but road conditions are dynamic and there was no way of predicting that the car to the left was going to accelerate the way that it did. Just when you were trying to evaluate whether or not you should switch left across that lane to get to your turning lane. Meanwhile, you're moving so it's much better to pass something opportunity and then reroute. In fact, when you are a robot taxi, that is the optimal heuristic you want to buy us for driver comfort and safety over precision of navigating a preset map. Passengers are much happier to arrive at their destination safely then to have arrived at their destination with a guarantee that are given. Map was followed to the letter. If instead of being a driver critiquing every aspect of what the car was doing, you were a passenger in the back seat. You wouldn't have even noticed that it missed that turn!
Can you tell us one more time whats riveting. Not interesting? You talked me out of watching right from the beginning. But i cam back. Im in Des Plaines so i have to watch. I usually like your videos.
This drive wasn’t the most eventful, I almost didn’t post it. I revamped the audio at the last minute - took me 9 hours of editing work. I appreciate your view. The riveting part was captured nicely in my previous video with roundabouts and u-turns. Downtown Chicago still needs some work. I didn’t want to hide this drive from people in the end. Cool that you are in Des Plaines!
Maybe this drive is exactly what the FSD Team needs. If everyone submits the perfect drive then the Team will think their baby is the prettiest thing. Give them more of this and it will definitely help the cause. Thank you for your service 😊
Thank you! 🙏
@@thatchwhistle
"If the car was driving flawlessly, It wouldn't be beta."??
That isn't entirely true! The car can still drive perfectly all by itself, when operating in a given Beta version of the FSD software, immediately before said Beta version being declared successfully out of Beta by its developer.
@@thatchwhistle "You can't hide bad performance from the FSD team. "
And yet FSD has been in beta for almost 4 years, with lots of performance issues over that time.
V12 user here since mid-February. Actually, there is a deviation in v12 from the car Visualizations and how the car is actually Navigating. What I have found is that the car will actually determine the best route, or should I say, it’s own route, regardless of the Map Navigation on screen in some situations. It seems to be deciding between options that we as the driver cannot see. I would say its thinking, but that’s not quite how AI works. It is being presented with options, based on the present environment, and then randomly changing as it “weighs” those options, ignoring the pre-mapped route. So if you are use to V11, and previous versions, where it follows the navigation precisely, it would appear that the car is making a mistake now. However, it you allow it to continue, it will definately navigate you to your pinned destination. I found this both exciting and puzzling. When l leave my home for work in the morning, I really can be surprised by what route it takes. For the most part, it does track to the Navigation on screen, but it cleary deviates sometimes based on what it perceives. I would recommend you perform the same drive, but this time, don’t assume it’s making a mistake unless it makes a Safety Critical error, or it delivers you to the wrong destination. You might be surprised.
Interesting! I also heard people commenting on this behavior on X. I fast-forwarded through the part in the video at 11:27 where it pulled over randomly & I waited for quite some time hoping it would figure out where to go next, but it didn't do anything after some time so I took over manually. I didn't have enough patience to wait more than 30 seconds for it to start moving again since it seems permanently stuck behind the red parked car.
Thanks for your high value videos! Maybe Chicago downtown handling by FSD should become the benchmark of the team for measuring FSD progress. To me, Chicago also resembles more some of the chaotic European cities, which one day, FSD will also need to handle well. I look forward to see more 👍👌
next time it missed a turn, can you just keep fsd on to see if it is trying to reroute? I have seen videos of 12.3 doing reroute and even finding a shorter route.
Ok! 👍✅💯 Will do & great idea.
9:44 Yes! Please let it run the course next time. FSD team have said the visualization is just an approximation of what FSD is doing. This disengagement was definitely not for safety reasons. Maybe NAV just needs to be more in sync with FSD.
7:40 I don’t think FSD is recognizing other drivers flashing their lights😂😂😂
With all due respect, sir, I think you’ll be a little too hard on the software here. This is an extremely complex intersection with pedestrians all over the place! The car may not be at the level of a very experience human driver but I give it an A- here
FSD V12 seems almost perfect in San Francisco and some other California areas but when it is released to other states quite dismal. Other times it will initially perform very poorly then do same route almost perfectly on same version. Some people say it is map data been updated without any notification. Other people say the FSD per car might have some memory that remembers driver corrections for local conditions. Whatever it is it seems strange.
thanks for sharing! as a FSD enthusiast, and a user, I still believe we are experiencing a inflection point, so that everything can change very fast, and personally, I do not think it will take more than 6 years to get us to perfect self driving.
🙏🙏🙏 I hope so! It just needs to be proven to be safer than the average human driver. How to do that? Sounds like a great topic for another video! 😉
The poor b pillar camera placement will continue to make it impossible to reach level 4
Perfect self driving is the same as skilled human driving?
A human can drive every day for years, in the dark or rain or rush-hour traffic, and not get in an accident. That is a very high standard, one that FSD may never reach.
I want to see one of these Chicago based UA-camrs film/post a drive on the Skyway.
Don't hesitate to post failure, no need to be upset about it, just factual. Hiding it wont get us there faster, quite the opposite. For the purposes of success, natural failures are the most interesting parts. Those are the most valuable to focus on. And definitely test in the basement of Chicago (underground city) because of the loss of GPS and very unusual road appearance. That's unique in the entire world afaik so it's an obvious benchmark as something very different than the bulk of driving.
I'm not american but I've heard americans pronounce wabash as waughbash. Same sound as war. There may be multiple ways :) I've probably heard new yorkers say it.
Most car companies won't have self drive system for another decade. It will take 20 more years for fsd to match human.
Hi, nice video and editing. Don’t you think you should let the car solve the situation it gets into by not being able to turn? It is like Uber or taxi driving, let the car/driver drive and judge afterwards and don’t try that it has to follow your route to the destination. At 17:25, don’t you think the car hesitated due to the pedestrians on the left wanting to cross the intersection? A new E2E AI version has to be defensive and shouldn’t push to hard.
Thanks! This one, my friend, is a very tough one - I have waited in the past (many times) only to be honked at loudly, or to have the software wait even more. In a busy city, if you're not aggressively moving toward pedestrians to find or to create a gap, other drivers get very angry and impatient. I think it's easy to watch a video and to think that it should be OK to wait, but in real life, it's very different. I've waited in the past, and the comments I received were filled with hate: "Why are you letting FSD annoy other drivers so much?" and "You're the exact reason why FSD should be banned from the roads!!" and "Jerks like you are going to ruin FSD for the rest of us!".
@@techgeektesla I understand, you can never make it right for everybody, at the end safety is most important. The mix of manual drivers and autonomous driving is much more difficult than autonomous alone. So we are investing so much effort for just a short transition period. Keep on making FSD videos!
The music that plays when you sped up the video was a bit loud and made it hard to understand what you were saying. Thanks for sharing this content. Your camera setup is great.
Thanks for your thoughtful comment!! I agree. ☝️ Note taken.
Please post when FSD is poor. We want to see that as well.
Did you watch this video?
@@techgeektesla Yes I watched it all and posted after. You were commenting multiple times throughout that you were not going to post the video because FSD was poor. I was saying that we want to see that, you shouldn't worry about.
@@johnbaker5533 Got it! Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. 🙏☺️ Thanks & I agree. I always have mixed thoughts on it though.
Thank you for editing. This is very interesting, but the long drives on other channels are sooo boring.
I feel the same way. If it’s a 15+ minute video with a lot of driving, I’m not there to listen to commentary while they’re stopped at traffic lights, I’m there to see the pivotal moments and how they analyze and discuss things that are happening or have happened. I’m hyper aware of this when I’m creating my own videos and it’s the main reason why I almost scrapped this entire video. The only great creator that focuses on this to the max is AIDRIVR, and his content is above and beyond.🔥
@@techgeektesla I agree. Great job with the "swoosh" sound I noticed. you borrowed from him
Please do not hesitate to post bad performance. I like FSD and want it to succeed but I dont want to get a cherrypicked representation of what it can do.
저 정도면 엄청나게 잘 한거 같은데...기대치가 너무 높은거 아닌가요? pothole 처리 되겠죠.
시카고 도심은 매일 출퇴근 하는 사람아니면 초행길 운전자들 다 헤맬듯 한데.
At 10:10 , there is a car blocking the lane with his emergency flashers on. And the lane to the left of that has a lot of traffic.
This is a common occurrence, and FSD cannot handle that? Backward steps, indeed.
0:07 "October 16th" - Despite it is clear that you meant "March" instead of "October" I think this blunder would deserve a mention in the video description. 👍
Ah! That's too funny. Thanks for the catch!
Looked like at 17:29, there were pedestrians that you would have encountered if you had gone.You are far more aggressive than I would have been in that intersection.
Personally, I find perfect drives kind of boring to watch. Please keep posting poor drives
8:00: You don't think it will be capable as a robotaxi until 2030, because it can't recognize when pedestrians are drunk... despite that Waymo has robotaxis NOW, which clearly don't need that capability (I can't think of any time I have needed that capability either), and Tesla's FSD is almost as good as the Waymo cars on the same routes... Fascinating take 🤨
I don't understand why you don't want to post video of FSD's flaws? That's literally the important parts. It's not surprising that it's doing well in some places and poorly in others; it's always been like that. Also not surprising if it was a temporary step back in performance, since it's a new architecture. It's had to relearn things it had mastered before. The surprising part is that it's already better than V11 in some parts of the country.
And hot damn those roads are RIDDLED with potholes! WTF, Chicago?? 😨
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Why do you disengage? Let it find it's own way?
since there is no more coding on v12 onward where they just look up for the lines of code that need to change, they need to find more of the videos where people driving around those area which need improvement to train the AI
the weird steering wheel part is probably just the car/AI do "stretching" just like human would do while waiting in red light after a long drive 😂
The weird steering is clearly a glitch in the code. The code that people will need to trust with their lives, eventually. Very troublesome.
dude! i was just joking
also there is no coding on v12 onward only AI
Something about Chicago. Gary Black had a bad fsd experience in Chicago too.
yeah driving in chicago is absolutely trash if you are not from chicago.
I know you took over when It went the wrong way but I've seen videos of it going the way that the lane intends the car to go and Then reroutes Also I've seen Videos where does it wrong and then They go back two days after or one day after even And it does that right I think that they're Training set is updating every day I can't confirm this but when I watch Cyber lift you he does Uber and he found a couple of areas that the car was unsuccessful and he went back a couple days later and it did it right so I wonder if you went back if you would have the same result
8:36
Where all your credibility jumps into a dumpster.
There was no way it should have gone left on that intersection given the speed that the car in the left lane was accelerating upward... It would have required a very sudden acceleration and shift there was no space or time for that.
Also, humans miss turns all the time for the same reason... You getting a lane? Maybe in a central lane on a multi-lane road you expect to make a given turn in this case a left but road conditions are dynamic and there was no way of predicting that the car to the left was going to accelerate the way that it did. Just when you were trying to evaluate whether or not you should switch left across that lane to get to your turning lane. Meanwhile, you're moving so it's much better to pass something opportunity and then reroute.
In fact, when you are a robot taxi, that is the optimal heuristic you want to buy us for driver comfort and safety over precision of navigating a preset map. Passengers are much happier to arrive at their destination safely then to have arrived at their destination with a guarantee that are given. Map was followed to the letter.
If instead of being a driver critiquing every aspect of what the car was doing, you were a passenger in the back seat. You wouldn't have even noticed that it missed that turn!
Get to it 3:29
Do you have any suggestions?
Is it just me, or do you say "October" 16th and not "March"? 🥴
Can you tell us one more time whats riveting. Not interesting? You talked me out of watching right from the beginning. But i cam back. Im in Des Plaines so i have to watch. I usually like your videos.
This drive wasn’t the most eventful, I almost didn’t post it. I revamped the audio at the last minute - took me 9 hours of editing work. I appreciate your view. The riveting part was captured nicely in my previous video with roundabouts and u-turns. Downtown Chicago still needs some work. I didn’t want to hide this drive from people in the end. Cool that you are in Des Plaines!