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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on UA-cam. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on UA-cam, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
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This is why I've been saying to my friends for a long time: "The right-wing use rhetoric of "freedom" and "liberty" and "patriotism" to mean _the freedom to deny your freedom_ ."
Even some left-wing people are falling into this contradiction, especially the advocates of cancel culture...it's a slippery slope 🤔.
"Freedom" to live as if it's the 1950s.
@@EyFmS Define cancel culture and give an example.
@@anarchkat cancel culture is the idea that when someone on the right says something there should never be any consequences, but if someone says something or does something that offends them, like kneeling for example, that person should be fired and lose all their endorsement deals.
@@anarchkat The twit ter mob.
Walsh base his opinions off his religion. That marriage is a God given privilege. If you're an atheist, respecting this position make no sense.
So atheists are anti freedom of religion?
Yep
basing your values on fairy tales makes no sense
Even if you are religious, marriage is a conscious choice to bond two adults.. people should be free to make choices. In the context of the adult world, marriage matters more financially. To deprive people of features of American life based on your religion is dumb. You are a member of this country, enable your fellow Americans to be the best version of themselves.
Atheists can be homophobic too
@@SAGERUNE Wouldn't it just be more logical to have the government recognise no marriage?
Joe's argument at 9:30 is the argument that stumped the side arguing in favor of banning gay marriage in California. "How does their marriage harm YOU." It doesn't. It only makes you feel a type of way.
It's because bigots don't want sam sex couples having families
A better argument is that it doesn't harm anyone
@@kenetickups6146 That was their argument. In America it's "The people or x vs y" because the offense has directly harmed someone. Who is harmed when two people get married? No one. There is literally no answer to that question so Matt has to say "the institution." Well that's up to his interpretation and there's no law on it because it goes back to personal freedom and civil rights to marry who you want. Unless you want that banned by law. But it can't.
You cant force the church to do what society wants. Church of entheogenic plants, right? Separation of church and state. The state doesn't marry anyone. They recognize civil unions.
@@JavierFernandez01 "The state doesn't marry anyone." Funny, I went to the state building to get my marriage license and was married by the mayor of Warren Ohio lol.
Matt: 50% divorce rate sounds a little high
Also Matt: MILLIONS OF MINORS ON HRT
Truth is that 2 out 3 marriages end of divorce.
It's actually 80%.
Lollll
sonly 4 orders of magnitude, no biggy, a mistake any evangelical could make (not normal people, just evangelicals)
41% of first marriages end in divorce.
Matt Walsh is obsessed with procreation. He was once on air talking about the ACTUAL great replacement theory and arguing that 17 year old women would be better off having kids than going to college bc they are the most fertile at that time. It came off like he was open to the idea of forced monogamy and shit like that. I'm all for women who WANT to stay out of college and have a fam, but nothing forced.
He is. He talked about how arranged marriages should be brought back because right now there's "too much choice". No joke, that was his reasoning.
Well he’s not wrong the fertility part or do you think a 40 and 50 year old woman has the same chance of having children or a child than a 17 and 20 year old woman? That’s just scientifically a fact.
@@josephstalin839 No one's disputing that. The issue here is that maniacs like Walsh say that because women can get pregnant at 17, they should. And that is messed up.
@@josephstalin839 Try again and this time read the whole thing.
I think he was arguing for 14 year olds getting married and having kids, not 17 year olds.
Matt Walsh thinks mayonnaise is spicy and you should go to jail if you have sex before marriage and if it involves anything beyond missionary 😅
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Walsh is the human embodiment of "you must be fun at parties."
Unless it’s with a girl under 18. Then Walsh says giv’er
Also that condoms should only be sold in sex shops and that he should personally be hired by school districts to give the female student athletes physicals to determine if they're trans.
Imagine not liking doggy style, couldn't be me
Imagine getting good vibes from Ron Desantis
"Ron Desanctimonious"
He's a RINO in Trump clothing
@@TimeBandit2007 Almost no one that follows this channel is a Biden worshiper. We support him at most, we don't necessarily like him 🙄
@@TimeBandit2007 who said anything about getting good vibes from Joe Biden? Why are you talking about Joe Biden?
@@gregorsamsa1364 these clowns automatically assume just because you criticize Republicans mean you support Democrats. These clowns have actual brain damage.
@@TimeBandit2007 why do you clowns always do this? Like seriously do you enjoy being a clown?
Weird that he kept saying that it "natural" in marriage, like name one other animal involving the government in their love life 🤣
Agreed! He acts like it’s impossible to redefine what marriage is. We made it up bro it can mean whatever we want!
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Oh you mistake his intentions. He would get government out of recognizing marriage and leave it in the hands of “religious law”. Trust me, troglodytes like MW know where the power for their sectarian dreams lies, and the church is where the kinds of power he wants to see exercised on society is where that power can sit comfortably for a very long time, provided that organization also has the monopoly on deadly use of force. Which he would also support.
You know he showed up thinking Joe was about to agree with him on everything 😂
They had spent the first hour jerking each other off about how much they agreed on transgenderism, and then Joe went hard on him with gay marriage pretty much the rest of the 2 hours. It was rough for Matty
Then he doesn’t know rogan at all
@@DrSpaceman42 To be fair Rogan has been on a right wing slant for quite a while in my opinion. And he's kind of all over the place when it comes to consistency. Sometimes he's very easily persuaded by someone's argument even if it's crap and being persuaded usually means he doesn't challenge. Honestly I didn't expect him to really challenge him either given his recent track record. I don't think he even should have platformed Matt Walsh. It lends him an air of credibility he does NOT deserve. The man is fundamentally intellectually dishonest.
@@jackcoleman1784 idk I’ve been listening to joe since 2013, I like mma & standup comedy. Literally nobody cares about his political takes except for journalists and, well, apparently you guys. His audience doesn’t care at all.
@@DrSpaceman42 Exactly.
Marriage is about property rights. It’s about legal rights to share tax benefits, and to inherit each other’s property. This is why the state recognizes and creates rules around it.
And the benefit to the government is what??
@@hirampriggott1689 the benefits are how to tax (produce revenue) from a marriage, how to tax generational wealth, how to tax property all that was stated before. If it was just a religious ceremony then deny who you want but since it's a legal union that effects every aspect of finances it needs to be open to all adults
@@gary606 From a purely financial perspective then it means that single people are paying the tax burden that married couples no longer have to. So I can see the case that, unless there is an intent to create a family then why should the singles pay more than couples.
There are over a thousand rights/benifits married people get. Right of Attorney, taking leave if your spouse or their family is sick or for funerals, visiting your spouse in intensive care, making medical decisions when your spouse is incapacitated, etc. Denying people from getting married and rightfully claiming these great benifits for the people they love is pure evil.
Man, Matt Walsh brought a Dave Rubin to a gun fight.
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Why are you lefties trying to hijack a religious practice done by religious people?? Are you guys going to get baptized as well now that your participating in marriage, a foundation created by believers.
A true marriage is the joining together by God of a man and a woman to become one flesh -MATTHEW 19:6.
@@adveni323 cuz in the words of the righties, “‘Murica, bitch!”
matt walsh's use of the word "nature" is doing alot of heavy lifting
I might have missed it, did he even bother to define "nature"?
@@dangeerraaron doesnt seem to me, this is his problem, same with his definition of gender he claims he has some definitions with inate charateristics or are strictly defined but they're actually as empty as the ones he gets upset over
like what?
@@rb9888 Because marriage is a human made thing. It doesn’t exist in nature. And homosexuality DOES exist in nature.
@@rb9888 Like the presumption that it is “natural” for a man to marry a woman and have kids, or it’s “nature” that when said marriage occurs, the couple choose to procreate, or mostly that it’s “unnatural” for 2 dudes or 2 babes to want to get married and maybe adopt…
Etc.
Get it?
The only thing that I learned is Matt Walsh can't argue any points without a script. He just fumbled around. Joe pounded him into the ground with basic questions and Matt looked confused. Even to the point where inside Matt's head you could see him start questioning everything he knows.
Honestly 😆 lmaoo
Completely. Even in his own arguments, he just forcibly interjects what he thinks without giving any good counter points.
"So, what, its just some subjective and symbolic thing?"
Wasn't heated at all though, why does Kyle always clickbait? Walsh simply got owned
"But a million sure sounds good, doesn't it?" was a wonderful Joe line in this podcast. Underrated - he knows what this douchebag is now, just like he exposed Candace. I generally can't stand Joe, to be honest, but every once in a while he realizes he's talking to an idiot/grifter and he tears them apart. The problem is he doesn't seem to get the big picture very well...
@@mofishin2648 they all clickbait. Views. Algorithm. Pakman does even worse with clickbait. In Kyle's defence though I prefer Klye going a little clickbait just to grow the channel. On another topic does anyone else find Saagar really condescending and Breaking Points is all about him? I unsubscribed from that channel because of that alone. He thinks he knows something, but when we get right down to it, he really doesn't know much at all. The only reason I sometimes watch is because of Krystal. Saagar went on and on and on with that table. I thought, how can Krystal stand that guy.
As long as marriage has legal implications it cannot be denied to anyone. It can affect inheritance, income taxes, hospital visits and so many other things.
If it were simply an obscure religious ritual they'd be able to deny access on religious grounds, but if it has legal or ramifications it cannot be withheld.
High five. couldn't have said it better myself
I would say absolutely SHOULD not be denied, if Americans are being logically consistent and true to their stated values. In practice, of course marriage CAN be denied. Just a small semantic gripe, and I'm assuming this is what you mean anyway. I'm just being pre-emptively pedantic in case your comment is assaulted by other less charitable pedants.
@@somethingelse4424 problem is they're not trying to deny it in practice they're trying to fully make it illegal which is anti freedom they are not saying you have the choice to decide whether or not you can marry them they are saying by law they want to make it illegal
Yep, it's quite simply outright discrimination at the government level, based on sexual orientation. Not really up for debate, but alas....
Pragmatically, Jesus Crispies should love this. The law applies to everyone equally, but you can pay a fee at your fav church to exclude your fav targets. Aren't there christian bible verses on this anyways? If there aren't they can certainly re-write it again.
Matt Walsh has wet dreams of living in the Puritan era.
idk I think his wet dreams feature more legally dubious content.
He also has wet dreams about raping kids, FOR REAL, because he SAID AS MUCH.
HE WANTS TO ENSLAVE, RAPE, IMPGREGNATE AND USE 13 YEAR OLD GIRLS.
HE'S A PSYCHOPATH. It's not fucking funny anymore... PEDOPHILES SAYING THEY WANT TO RAPE KIDS, Is NOT fucking funny anymore! It's disgusting and shameful and they should be in PRISON... Where did we go so wrong? Everyone's acting like this walking pedo-phile shithead has RIGHTS to be around children... what the fuck!
Walsh cares so much about dick on dick action there is no way he's not at least bi-sexual.
Marriage is just two people agreeing to help each other get through life
Its a legal agreement between two ppl...to help each other get through life, in the eyes of the state.
There are more definitions and values of marriage between culture, beliefs, and societal differences.
@@Kornelius707 The focus here though, is in "The West"
@@Tom-dv6ei "The West" isn't a big hive mind of people with no differences.
@@Kornelius707 “in law“
remember when Joe Rogan said litter boxes were in schools
"Pepperidge farms remembas".... oh yeah n' I do also.
They are, though
for toilets during school shootings.
To be fair the younger gen would strike me as the type to wanna use a litter box but that article is great those kids put a litter box in the bathroom to troll the teachers 🤣 lil tide pod snackers have a good sense of humor lol
Remember when people thought Covid was a thing and masks work? We all make mistakes sometimes
obviously he said that based on rumor & needed a fact check. Otherwise he does pretty well with not promoting false rumors.
This is the hardest I've agreed with a Rogan clip since like 2017.
Early 2020. Or ever since he let Candace Owens tie a noose around her neck on the issue of Climate Change or Rave Dubin on common sense regulations
clearly only been keeping track of the headlines then...
It’s nice to see Joe being reasonable again.
@@keirfarnum6811 *It's nice to see Joe agreeing with me again....fixed it for ya
@@misevibre this is spot on lol
The dudes argument fell apart in the first 5 seconds. Joe asked one simple question “what about people who just don’t want kids?” Matt had literally no response to that and never recovered.
Well, he did throw in the not having kids is selfish argument when he said something like, "only worrying about your own self interests" or whatever he said. Grrr... having children is by nature selfish. Not sayng it's bad, but it is selfish. Me putting headphones on and listening to tunes is a selfish thing of me to do. I'm doing it to make MYSELF happy and have NO ONE ELSE's interest in mind when doing so. A person having children is selfish because THEY want to make a baby to have a baby for THEMSELVES. I don't have a problem with people who have kids. I love my nephews and nieces. But having a kid is selfish. You're not doing it for the kid, because the kid doesn't want to be born. Those who do not exist can't want anything, including to be born. The "not having kids is selfish" argument is soooo asinine, because probably the majority of things people do are selfish (including refraining from having kids), but they put this negative connotation on it when it comes to not having kids, as if it objectively IS negative.
None of his criteria of marriage are relevant today. And yet he thinks gay marriage is going to ruin this sacred institution.
@@joshuaneal7552 but he also says that the country is really fucked up. Would he take his kids into a burning building? On one hand he wants to push that the world is an evil place, and on the other hand, he thinks you should force children to exist in an evil place. That's freaking sadistic.
@Ra Shaan good. We need more deviants
@@joshuaneal7552 self centered or “ selfish”? Because when you have a kid you kind of give your life for them to have theirs which isn’t really selfish but the motivation is somewhat self centered.
Marriage never stopped being financially transactional.
They actually did get into trans issues, and Walsh was massively misinformed (or lying) about the number of kids each year who receive treatment. He pretended he didn't care, but you could tell on the inside he was steaming at Jamie for fact-checking his ass
I noticed that. He said “millions” were transitioning and was shown to be wrong in the extreme. Walsh seems to think that everyone is going trans and that it’s rampant everywhere. But he has to be hyperbolic in the extreme to make his case and get the attention he wants. Apparently his feelings don’t care about the facts.
@@keirfarnum6811 it’s not for attention. It’s fascism, it’s about saying there’s an enemy in the shadows that are weak yet somehow strong enough to destroy “western society” (white Christians people). They’re all trying to groom your kids and infiltrating the schools. Same play book as the nazis
Walsh is obsessively desperate to do everything to convince us he never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever has wanted to 'make the sex' with another man. My ex-boyfriend, post coitally, also found that somewhat suspicious. If only, that one teenage summer, his cousin had said, instead, "No, Matt. I really like you and what we had, too, but I have a girlfriend."
@@keirfarnum6811, it's dumb. It's like, with almost an infinite panoply of planets in the universe, only hating Venus solely because it's a planet. Or, obsessively fixating and targeting, in a herd of thousand horses, the two that are unicorns. We get it, Matt; you want to be a woman and pathologically lash out at those who aren't merely a scared little pathetic coward like you are. The 'masc' beard is fooling no one.
@@keirfarnum6811 wrong by an order of magnitude when Jamie fact checked him.
Matt will make a another documentary, which will be titled 'What is a marriage?'
But first the secual to What is a woman? What is a man?
@@grisflyt Someone could make a documentary about Walsh and call it "What Is an Asshole?" Or maybe just "What an Asshole!"
@@johnpjones182 "What a Known Child-Fucker!"... Featuring: MATT WALSH.
If Matt Walsh was around during the civil rights movement, his documentary would be called... what is a person?
Based on Matt's own argument he should be ok with gay marriage for same sex couples that want to adopt a child that needs a family and a good home.
Correct. But we know he won't be ok with that. He made it pretty clear what he thinks about gay marriage with all the deflections.
"Ew, gay people would have yucky sex all the time in front of their kids" He's so far gone he is no longer in the same time zone, he's not even in the same century!
Exactly. All those children they would force women to have will need homes and denying gay couples the right to marry and adopt is one of the many reasons we all know that the "pro life" policy has absolutely nothing to do with being pro life.
We need to change the definition of HEATED because there was absolutely nothing heated about this. It was the absolute best way of having a conversation about something you disagree with.
Yeah its pretty clickbait.
Thank you 👏 tired of these clickbait titles
let the man get his views.
The real issue here is Kyle sycophantism, whenever Joe says something vaguely reasonable, you get a 1/2 video on secular talk trying to convince you that Joe is a kind hearted progressive, ...
I have a feeling Walsh felt a bit hot under the collar being pressed on his illogical views for several minutes. Not click bait at all. No shouting is necessary.
I was hopeful that Republicans became more accepting of same-sex marriage after Obergefell v. Hodges since I didn't see that much public opposition to the decision. It turned out they were just keeping quiet.
From my experience most right wing voters who I know aren't opposed to it but then again, they're younger and not religious. I also live in PA and it's probably much different in the Bible belt of the country. I think it's mostly the pundits and politicians that are against it.
It’s just that Trump and the end of Roe opened the floodgates for more extreme positions to be mainstreamed, although the midterms may be a backlash against that.
A minority percent of them were.
@@brownmamba6538 I think Alabama is the only state with a majority against gay marriage. So basically the whole country is on board.
Sam sex marriage is just a distraction for stupid ppl so we keep from tackling serious problems
The skeletons a guy like Matt Walsh has in his closet is almost always highly disturbing
Whenever an adult is obsessed with pedophilia I'm automatically suspicious.
gay skeletons
Some people's psychology is relatively easy to read. He very likely has some type of trauma that informs his beliefs on marriage. For instance, it's possible he has been cheated on and it had a profound effect on him, so he views marriage the way he does. Perhaps he comes from a broken home. There's absolutely something there. Which is sad really because he doesn't seem to be able to recognize and confront it so he could resolve some of that shit weighing down on him.
I listened to this discussion (JRE clips) a couple of days ago and was shocked at this guy. It’s a GOOD thing when people who don’t WANT to be parents aren’t FORCED to be parents. Guess what, dude? That’s actually for the GREATER GOOD because that means we have a few less kids being born into potentially abusive situations. Having a child is beautiful and miraculous and kids need to feel that love and appreciation from their parents!
walsh openly believes people exist to make more people. especially white people. he's said before that it's not immoral to impregnate 16 year olds so long as you're married to them too btw. that's how committed he is to this.
Good point. I feel the exact same way about the homeless.
What about mean parents? They really really want their kids.. a certain way...
@@waltergrace565 what does that mean?
That's not really how it works though. People with their life and shit together doing well seem less likely to have kids. On the flipside, train wreck substance dependant types going nowhere seem highly likely to have kids. That said, this is Australian perspective and i believe a lot of that might be our welfare system and government incentives to have kids. The kind of person that sees a cash bonus for having a kid and thinks that's a good reason to, is clearly not well off or expecting to be and also pretty stupid given how expensive kids are. Is extra government assistance for having kids a thing in the US too?
Wonderful take as always, Kyle.
"You do NOT get to dictate how I live my life based on your religion."
--Ana Kasparian
Where do you get the idea your opinions are some sort of authority over anyone else's? Take your own advice.
@@RalphieMaysGhost ok? Don’t see how that applies to the quote.
@@jankjaws9815 Your left wing ideology is no more of a dictation. Its pretty obvious. Why are your opinions the Gospel? You just dont like the competition of dictating morality and you are no more of an authority. The quote is meaningless.
@@RalphieMaysGhost You're nowhere near intelligent enough for this conversation, kid. Run along, the adults are talking.
@@trickstergod9179 Great argument. Oh wait, that wasnt an argument. Thanks for the input🤪
It’s weird that Secular Talk still has Dore and JRE under “related channels” but not Breaking Points
Ehhh, he probably just doesn’t update it much
@@MrGameday15 you’re probably right and I can even see why he’d still have JRE there, but every time I see it, I’m like, “really?”
He never updates his channel lol.
Kyle is like a boomer with this; he hasn’t updated the page in the last 4 years
Ah, a little artifact of more sane and rational times.
Joe Rogan LITERALLY DESTROYS Matt Walsh with FACTS AND LOGICS 😂
Shapiro’s response to you: “Don’t steal my catchphrase, cause it’s a fact that it is mine, and you using it to harm the Right hurts my feelings.“
Really gotta give Joe credit in this one. He completely dismantled Walsh's worldview.
"I think marriage is a certain thing" ...true MEGABRAIN statement.
I like Jimmy Dore’s solution: if you don’t like gay marriage, then don’t get gay-married! 😂
Wait a minute, Ahmed, . . . I feel like you are saying that if someone else gets 'gay married' we all don't immediately have to get gay married? No wonder I got rejected by MENSA!
@@sk8rjockid 😂
Uh, oh, @mylittlekittens, with that emoticon and your moniker, you are now legally required to get 'gay married' nine times!
As a *Gold Star Gay*, I think Greg Giraldo had some funny takes:
1. ua-cam.com/video/YIOa4RtQA2M/v-deo.html
2. ua-cam.com/video/mDbXBubHSBY/v-deo.html
Also Jimmy Dore: I support gay marriage but everyone i support is anti gay
Joe Rogan wanted to move to Texas and make new cool conservative friends. Congratulations, Joe. You got it.
Sick burn.
@@waltergrace565 Thanks man, I can't wait to tell my friends at the antifa rally later
@@aninfinateregressionanapot2979 Sweet as.
@Dustin Stich "muh taxes, muh homeless, muh woke Californians" - roe jogan
Wonder if he'll ever convert to Christianity. Wouldn't surprise me if his new buddies are pressuring him to do it.
Hilarious how Joe Rogan immediately brings up a good point, and then Walsh immediately backtracks lmao
wish rogan would be like this more often
@@DaveGrean He is more often then not, people are to focused on trying to cancel him.
Hey I saw you on another video defending roger Ebert from the trolls!
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He started talking so fast I couldn't even understand him.
Then he’s acting like people don’t just go out and decide to have kids together, live together, etc without being married. While you’re at it make it illegal to live together without being married 🙄
I guarantee you he thinks you should be married before sex. 🤦
Where's the part where Walsh claims there were millions of transgender surgeries, but then Young Jaime fact checked him?
We just watched "What is a douche?" An adult human named Matt Walsh.
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Matt Walsh is fervently arguing for a safe space so he no longer has to experience being triggered.
Joe Rogan praised Matt Walsh’s movie 😬. I appreciate Kyle trying to point him in the right direction but it may be time to pull the rug
Yup.
Kyle's already pulled the rug from under himself.
Doesn't look likely. Kyle's a lost cause when it comes to Rogan and if he can't properly criticize the guy I wish he'd just ignore him. At this point Kyle's Rogan coverage is just propaganda.
It's sad because I genuinely think it calls the rest of his reporting into question. What other stories does he's ignore because the truth doesn't suit him.
@@jeremyodwyer9232 idk, I think he's been pretty solid lately except for the Rogan stuff. It's an infuriating blind spot for sure, though.
@@anarchkat It is. I hear what you're saying and Kyle isn't the worst for sure. But the fact that he knows what Rogan's been saying, and not only ignores those stories, but keeps doing these fluff pieces praising him is a mark against both his judgment and his ethics and I just can't respect the guy any more. I've tried, but every time I think he's moved on from Rogan he makes another one of these 'look how great Joe is when you put him opposite a fascist' videos.
His reporting on Rogan calls the rest of his content into question (for me anyway) because it shows he's willing to omit important facts and stories about the very people he's trying to sell to his audience.
Maybe he'll come round :(
Any marriage is only as meaningful as the two people married make it to be. It's between them and only them. The fact that this has to be debated is absurd. Marriage should be open to all. Live and let live. Can't say it enough.
It is not absurd. You're stripping marriage of its meaning. And people like Matt are trying to preserve it
@@Kurushimi1729 What in your view is the meaning of marriage?
@@Kurushimi1729 It is absurd because marriage is between two people and only those two people should measure how important it is to them. it's none of your business. If your marriage means less to you because two guys can do it, that's on you. If you really want to preserve the institution, work on why more than half end in divorce. Once you crack that code let us all know.
I laughed out loud when he said "and for infertile couples, there are other ways to become parents, like adoption" - bro, that's exactly what gay couples who want to be parents do! 🤦♀️😂
@@savagdog1 You yourself are making an assertion about what marriage is the same as Matt. The statement "only those two people should measure how important it is" comes out of your value system. It's not the only way to look at things.
How about the fact that people like Matt tell us they can't have sex before marriage... so then they must get married just to have a physically intimate relationship.
What a miserable world they want smh they're brainwashed
@@woodyhorton8537yes because rampant promiscuity has really helped the west 😂
Sure but Rogan didn’t even push back when Matt’s claim that there were ‘millions’ of trans kids and Jamie confirmed Matt’s number was off by *checks notes* hundreds of thousands.
@@trigjones lol just one? 😆
@@trigjones you're completely missing the point.
Being completely wrong by literally orders of magnitude on your core assertion is kind of a big deal.
@@trigjones A data point that’s off by almost a million and on a subject Matt literally made a documentary about.
@@trigjones - Pushing back, as in actively countering a point of assertion that is factually incorrect, should not be conflated with "yelling at someone." I'm not much of a Rogan fan, but I've noted that he rarely gets heated when countering a point he believes is erroneous. Let's be honest here, your opinion on this is borderline ridiculous and I can only assume you left this comment as a fan of Walsh, instead of from a place of rationality.
The most disturbing thing about this conversation is booking Walsh in the first place. Why would you want to talk to him for 2 hours?
Because you've gone from a vaguely libertarian bro-"philosopher" to a Rush Limbaugh knockoff.
*3 hours
Joe Rogan loves his movie lol. LOVES it, like so much
Joe would agree with Walsh on most things these days. All of the anti-trans fear mongering conspiracy theories about litterboxes is the type of stuff Matt Walsh promotes 24/7.
@@scorpionxiiclips you have to wonder whether Walsh’s pathetic answers in this back and forth will make Joe Rogan think a little bit lol. Joe sounded very thoughtful on this one
There is just one universe where someone like Matt Walsh could become famous and carry any social weight. Unfortunately, we live in it.
We're living in one of the failed timelines Dr. Strange warned about.
You articulated what I’ve been trying to sort out in my head during this clip. How tf does this guy even have a platform. Dudes an imbecile.
Ain't that the truth _* sigh *_
... Yea. Our universe is objectively on average inferior to most others by this alone.
These two should definitely get married.
“Joe’s a vibes guy.” That’s a polite way of saying he’s an uninformed dope.
You are aware this is Kyle Kulinsky's channel, right?
@@waltergrace565 Okay, and?
@@waltergrace565 Bro what?
@@anarchkat The whole "uninformed dope" thing......?
@@michaelhaydenbell Bro, you know....
Man, if Joe didn't have some complete brainfart moments where he defends people like Desantis for not doing a lockdown during a global pandemic he'd be great.
His ability to cut to the core and be like "no, seriously why do you actually beleive this?" is refreshing and impressive.
@@jamesbarker3517 gotta love whataboutisms
@@jamesbarker3517 it is a whataboutism regardless of it's accuracy. Bringing up a different topic instead of talking about the original topic as a way to say that both sides have issues.
@@jamesbarker3517 oh no the virus was calling from inside the house!
@@jamesbarker3517 So? The protests were outdoors (and the protesters were not anti-mask people either), where COVID-19 is far less likely to spread. The lockdowns stopped indoor gatherings, where COVID-19 was far more likely to spread. They are different situations. Apples and oranges, and all that...
@@jamesbarker3517 Violating lockdown to protest the extrajudicial execution of an unarmed black man by government employees is a lot more justified than violating lockdown because your friday night beer and skittles got cancelled.
Matt Walsh wants Sharia law despite all the window dressing of freedom and liberty.
He doesn't want to "outlaw" same-sex marriage, he just wants to strictly define marriage in a way that would make same-sex marriage not legally protected.
Gay people not being able to visit their partner while sick or dying in the hospital is a small price to pay to create a safe space for his delicate sensibilities.
/S for the contextually challenged
Matt Chrisman nailed Joe Rogan- "The guy's brain is a like a lint roller, it rolls over stuff and random pieces of things stick to it."
Lmao 🤣
Most accurate take
That's it. Thank you.
Katamari Damaci, but with bullshit.
It amazes me how much this guy triggers lefties, just by talking shit into a mic. Fascinating.
I'm surprised neither of them brought up the fact you don't have to be married to reproduce.
The simple fact that you can no longer purchase a bride with 3 cows and 6 goats means we have at the very least changed the definition of marriage once.
This was by no means a heated debate, Kyle. I realize that saying that gets more likes for sure. I listened to the entire thing. This is one of the first times in a decade, over heard two grown adults debate a topic without name calling, silencing, yelling, or dismissing. Joe Rogan was calm and centered the entire time. He was epic in his questioning that caught Matt off guard. Matt had to go back to the religious foundation of marriage in his opinion to try and debate from that point of view. The only thing heated about the argument was their cigars. I think it is awesome that they had such a good debate. Imagine if more people on liberal and conservative news actually listened to one another? Hmmm.
I may seem crass, but Walsh is the sort of the person who probably had a bad experience where his ex wind up being with someone who actually has a heart.
I legit feel horrible for his wife and kids. Well, the kids ... Stepford Blond Walsh can listen to her beard and F off.
Walsh has never pleased a woman.
@@flashman9755 both of these comments add nothing intelligent to this conversation. Gossiping weirdos
Joe is too far gone bro accept it. I used to be a big Rogan head and he actually got me into the left. But he’s not the same
Yeah, he doesn't believe it's a good idea to sterilize yourself because you feel uncomfortable with your body in your teens! What a lunatic!
Normal people don’t except the mutilation of children
Cope.. bye!
I jumped ship about 3 years ago.
@@DrSpaceman42 you just got owned by logic and facts lol
Lmao we were all joking on the subreddit that Kyle was gonna highlight this one moment after platforming this monster. Rogan agreed with almost everything else Walsh said.
I can't tell why Kyle is blind on this. Obviously he still thinks of Rogan as a friend, but does that rose tint his view of him to where he genuinely can't see what he's become, or is he in denial?
@@anarchkat Rogan brings a lot of clout. Clout that could push Kyle past 1M subs...
@@anarchkat Or you know, you don't actually to have to the enemy of everyone you have any political disagreement with. Talking about Rogan here, Walsh is a straight nut.
@@jacobrogers2906 It's not so much Rogan that's the problem than it is the people he platforms. Rogan is a toolbag and I think his antivaxx garbage did real harm, but his program has functioned as a welcoming stage for the increasingly extreme right, which has done far more damage on a greater scale.
Kyle has an impressive number of bridges not burned, but this comes at a cost
lets be honest here. if we got one of the founders of marriage here from the past and explain the concept of marriage probably 90% of the world would just get rid of it. basically marriage was to force someone to be by your side like property. you could not say no to kids because that was your husband and that was your job, nobody else was allowed to touch you but him and if they did he would get punish and so would the women for not letting him know you were married. it was actually radical in many points of history where people married for love. it was so radical they were turn to legends to hopefully inspire people to actually do so. marriage only became a focus or written down in our society because society dictated it as this system that was just simple to use. we tied so many things to marriage from finances, law, and even medical decisions like fucking abortion because we claim its a simple system that been around forever so why not use it. oh for the cases of abortion the situations are so bad you wish it wasnt true. for instance a man can stop his wifes abortion in certain states even if its gonna kill her or her choice.
The phrase rule of thumb comes from an old law that said a husband was allowed to beat their wife as long as the stick they used wasn't larger in diameter than their thumb.
Joe having this guy on his podcast is a new low. I mean who's next MTG?
Probably
I think it's good that Joe has these people on.
Expose their hypocrisy.
I actually think he's worse than MTG
@@roberttelford745 gay marriage is low hanging fruit. What will Joe defend next? Gravity?
I bet he will have Milo on soon. I guess we were only able to silence people for so long.
It sucks. I wish I could super glue the mouths of ANYBODY that does not speak inline with the progressive hivemind
@@adennagruetzmacher6076 relax.. no one wants to silence Walsh.. he's just uninteresting and a moron. It would be just as bad to have some vapid ,culture warrior, neo lib on.
"They haven't even given a definition."
"OK, so they say it's 2ppl who love each other... but"
Sounds like a definition, dear.
I love how Kyle, with his bleached hair and goofy vibes, can run circles around any and every "tough guy" right winger there is. Truly one of the most concise, thoughtful and entertaining people on this platform.
Except for you tho, let's be honest.
@@blobber51 Ooof was that supposed to be a burn?
@@jabrokneetoeknee6448 yeah
@@blobber51 ngl bro, it wasn't the best material.
@@blobber51 Kyle can’t run circles around the op? What?
Matt's argument is just, your life needs to be run by what I believe because it's truth and you can't question it. He doesn't appear comfortable having conversations when he doesn't have full control of how it plays out.
A lot of people were raised with some magical constructs about you're not supposed to have sexual feelings until you get married, and/or your sexual feelings for others will disappear after you get married.
Yup religion is cancer
I think it’s interesting you labeled that way of raising children as if its so nonsensical and unrealistic. Maybe to you and most others due to lack of exposure or ignorant to other cultures. Thousands of us palestinians came to America after the first Intifada, got naturalized and formed productive families. But us boys and my sisters were taught from before adolescence to remain focused on our academics and not let others negatively distract us from our immediate goals. Any Sexual feelings for someone you hardly know will definitely disappear in time.
@@MoSuli96
To be fair I remain more focused on things likt academics then dating because the average person available is not worth the time. It's just Assistive Masturbation unless I could to have a relationship with that I wanted to be involved with.
Maybe I ruminated at times but a lack of romance but it is not worth pissing your life away just to have hust anybody in your life.
Purple I reach the conclusion was my maternal grandmother had this weird hang up on sex that was like my initial statement (and we believe she might have been raped as a juvenile).
My late mother later went on to do clerical work in mental health facilities and had a type of psychiatric reports, sexual baggage was a common theme in those reports.
Most early generation immigrants are the ones that have the insatiable urge to claim the social ladder (even though my father is relatives immigrated from England they did start a relatively successful jams and jelly business although that family in spite of his economic success had its problems).
Important literary figure in the "Making it big in America" narrative was an author named Horatio Alger.
Alger was originally a Unitarian minister and he lost that gig when he got sexually out of line with some teenage boys.
One common theme in algers novel is the Disturbed teen that was rescued by a wealthy older man which hints at his sexual proclivities.
It's not only symbolic. It is a legal status regardless of what you think the institution should entail. A gay friend of mine was at one time, and may still be, far more concerned with certain rights being extended to single people that are granted to married people.
The only time Matt Welsh could win an argument is when he is alone
Is it me, or does Matt Walsh give vibes that he was peer pressured into marriage, so he hates anyone who makes that choice on their own? Sorry Matt, but just because you were dumb enough to be peer pressured into a life altering decision, doesn't mean everyone else has to feel societal pressure to marry to reproduce.
I don’t agree I feel like it wouldn’t work out well for him under those circumstances either.
@@singed8853 Yeah, arguing to himself is not going to end well either, but he seems like the type to enjoy hearing his own voice.
.....As it is now you literally throw kids under the bus because parents cant find information about all aspects of this
@@franksvensson4928 Speak clearly, because Walsh isn't a source of anything you can't already find elsewhere.
Guys, Matt Walsh talks fast and with confidence. Of course he's right, duh.
What was he wrong about?
I like how kyle just completely skipped over the first half of the podcast🤣
Why are you listening to Rogan? This was the only clip Rogan released on his channel.
@@waltergrace565 I have listened to like 3 podcasts since he left UA-cam. One was Edward Snowden. Another was Duncan Trussell. Another was Tim Dillon.
I bet, deep down, Kyle knows that doctor-assisted sterilization isn't a great idea. Then again, who knows, he is a literal cuck, maybe he's into that.
Maybe he didn’t watch it? He literally said he didn’t watch the whole thing because Matt Walsh is a cringe fest.
@@thealternative9580 cool.
When Kyle says, "I don't know if Rogan knows Walsh is a massive extremist," that's one of Joe Rogan's problems. He owes it to his audience to do his homework on his guests. That's his job.
He knows. He had Walsh on to fellate him over his bigoted film "What is a Woman?" I don't know if Kyle realizes this. I'm on the fence about how willfully ignorant he is of how bigoted Rogan is. This video comes off to me as him covering Rogan's ass by showing him defending gay people even though elsewhere on this episode he was shitting all over trans people.
No he doesn't lol we doesn't owe you or anyone anything.
@@itsgingervitis69 yes he does.
@@itsgingervitis69 Yes, he does. If you're going to platform people, you should be knowledgeable about who they are. If Rogan actually did that, then he wouldn't be bringing creepy pedos like Matt Walsh on.
@@TheRogueEmpire why? I have a strong feeling that you're going to pretend you didn't see my comment but I'll give it a shot nevertheless
Krystal is the one that's gonna make you part of her harem, Kyle. Not the other way around. Haha
Krystal got powerful M.ILF energy.
you know too much 🤣
@@fortheloveofnoise I'd join that harem- especially if the husband's share one room hahaha jkjk
I'm a big fan of breaking points and normally I love Kyle show but lately I find the extremism to be here... Do I agree with Matt walsh? No. Is he religious? Yes. Does he have the right to practice his religion and have his own right to his own set of beliefs? Absolutely. The argument Kyle is making here is against free speech not Matt Walsh
Matt Walsh talking in circles but always ending up at “…if that’s true then marriage is meaningless, why even have it then??” And I’m like “Exactly. Now you get it Matt. Glad we can agree.” Lmmfao
I actually see no problem with marriage, but it's more of a legal thing than a religious thing these days.
Well it's meaningless from a religious point of view, which Walsh is wholly dedicated to. From a legal, social and interpersonal point of view it has plenty of purposes beyond being blessed or approved by any deity
Exactly. haha, now we can start our conversation here Matt.
@@VeteranVandal Right. Marriage is meaningful legally but also it represents a commitment which people still put value on and marriage ceremonies are very culturally important and I see no issue with that at all.
Matt is too chickenshit to decide not to get married because as a conservative ideologue, he is very pro conformity. Therefore, he expects everyone to get married for the sole reason of reproduction just because he cannot comprehend anything else.
It’s funny to see how quickly Walsh backs down on his stances when confronted by Joe with even moderate pushback
everyone but me gotta learn ur cringe
@@nocucksinkekistan7321 A guy who uses 'Kekistan' and "cuck" is generally a low I.Q. fear filled overcompensating beta male.
@@nocucksinkekistan7321 what are you even trying to say 😂
Conservatives who hate giving help to the poor have the audacity to deflect about being 'self-centered' when it comes to people using their *freedom* to not have children that conservatives *in power* would otherwise neglect and abuse. The fkn audacity..
This is so weird. Joe Rogan actually schooling Matt Walsh. What timeline is this?
Joe rogan schools extremists that’s never been unusual
If you are being out-reasoned by Rogan then you should know your arguments are total shit.
Joe when he’s locked in absolutely destroys republicans tbh. He shit on Candace Owens about climate change, Steven Crowder about marijuana, Ben Shapiro about kneeling, and Dave Rubin about building codes.
To be fair, I think a dried up turd could school Matt Walsh on most topics
@@zeb_reynolds tbf jamie did mosy of the leg work about kneeling
Watching videos of Matt Walsh is the only time I literally yell at UA-cam
what did you think of his exchange with dr forcier ?
I mean, it's fair. He's really stupid and wants to stay stupid.
Matt Walsh: after a woman goes through menopause she’s no longer a woman lol
Mat: once it’s gay it’s meaningless
Friendship ended with Big Seltzer, now Big Vape is Kyle's Best Friend
Sponsorships man...what a strange thing...
Maybe talking to these people continually will help Joe to realize how insane people like Matt Walsh are lol 😂😂
Yeah. Let’s hope.
Seems he's aware of how nuts the guy is hence the push back on the stupid gay marriage stance.
"Joe's a big vibes guy." Very kind way of saying "Joe doesn't have the slightest clue what the fuck he's talking about".
People rarely listen to joe for his political/scientific takes.. except for brittle-spirited lefties who wanna get mad about stuff literally nobody cares about
He's very well informed.... What makes you think he isn't?
@@scottparker9078 Oh. Oh ok. Nevermind then.
So you have nothing to back up your claim of him being uninformed?
Don’t comment often, but Kyle, love your commentary mate. Absolute gold.
Hello verified user!
Why are you lefties trying to hijack a religious practice done by religious people?? Are you guys going to get baptized as well now that your participating in marriage, a foundation created by believers.
A true marriage is the joining together by God of a man and a woman to become one flesh -MATTHEW 19:6.
Bro the real joey carbstrong no way huge fan dude played a huge role in me going vegan
@Jorge Garibay bro… Christianity did not create marriage.. it’s not “yours”
@@adveni323 Nah, we have a thing called civil marriage, I went to a civil wedding this past week.
Matt walsh is the type of guy that if privately u told him arranged marriages were still a thing in parts of the world he’d make a mess in his pants 👖
He has publicly endorsed arranged marriages, more than once an thinks teenage pregnancy is no big deal.
The justification Matt is using for not allowing gay marriage and saying it "destroys the institution" or whatever is that he wants Christian fundamentalist theocracy. He knows it won't look good if he says that. But him trying to justify that unjustifiable stance without citing religion exposes how baseless his argument is.
I would have much more respect for these people if they were just upfront about the basis of their beliefs.
For most of history marriage was about forging alliances so he's mostly wrong on that point as well lol.
GOT and HOTD has really made me realize how it worked. It’s kinda fascinating how much our traditions/institutions have changed.
Every single person has their own definition of marriage. Different people get married for different reasons because different people are different. Why do religious people think that their definition of marriage should have to apply to everyone?
They claim marriage started out as a religious thing.
For the same reason that progressives think their version of marriage should apply to everyone, duh. Americans almost exclusively believe in universalizing ethics, unless they're black, jewish, or Asian. That leaves ~80% believing that "if something is right for me, it must be right for everyone in the world." That's just part of the Enlightenment.
Because they're hateful zealots obeying the word of a 3000-year-old fairy tale book about talking snakes raining frogs and a zombie carpenter who can walk on water.
@@craigewen7542 Where's your proof? The Bible? It's 2300 years old. That's literally 3 seconds in time.
Marriage is about children
Matt Walsh "The damage done by gay marriage is that I don't get to discriminate against homosexuals"
Your need to fabricate narratives is pathetic and won’t get you anywhere
@@jimbob498 Marrying your sister wont get you anywhere
Walsh's idea of marriage comes from the bible. Period. Walsh wants everyone to follow the biblical concept of marriage and there can be no deviations from that. The same way his concept of liberty and freedom is also bible based.
Gay
You mean what he really wants Is rich, older men to have many young wives and poor men to have none? Or maybe get stuck with their even poorer cousin as wife? You know, like it is in the Bible.
Or an old man to get young women slaves as well as wives to knock up when his wives become old and less fertile? Or girls to be forced to marry their rapist and bear all his children, not just merely the possible offspring from the first rape?
Aaaah Biblical marraige, just how God intended it. 😆
My wife and I got married so we could better qualify to buy a house, long after we had our 2 kids and started our family. So long as marriage has financial implications, barring certain people from participating is textbook oppression.
Couldn't agree with you more!!!
Absolutely agree.
Additionally, the fact that Walsh could care less whether same-sex couples were prevented from visiting one another while sick or dying in the hospital was especially illustrative of what a hard-line, heartless homophobe he is.
Having children before marriage doesn’t work out for the majority of us.
@@valenciasaintilus9573 People conflate marriage with having a serious and committed relationship. Having children before you're in a stable and serious place with your spouse is what leads to it not working out, irrespective of marital status.
@@chrisbowen6857 no because people fake it, they are less likely to be faking if they are willing to enter a legal contract.
Walsh is the kind of dad that his kids are going to grow up in end up hating him when they are older
💯
He probably doesn’t even care as long as he can find a way to manipulate them into still taking care of his old ass when he’s in his diaper years. Classic narc parent.
You have no idea how parents his kids. All you see is his career. Most parents separate that from their home life
@@markwilkie7633 I know I was a child who had a father who none of his eight children speak to him because of his right-wing b******* lol
And saying that is complete crap you can't separate his beliefs from his home life those things are completely intertwined obviously
Matt could have ended that debate by saying “marriage by the catholic definition is blah blah blah and that is what I believe in.” “I don’t believe in same sex marriage under the definition I believe in, but if they want to share bank accounts they can get a civil union.”
Seriously. I was actually kinda shocked he tiptoed around it, he doesn’t seem to shy away from his views any other time
Yet Kyle hasn’t been asked back on Rogan in two years
1 year
This podcast was brutal. Rogan grilled him pretty much the whole time on gay marriage 😂
And?
I’m not sure what you’re asking or trying to say here? Lol
@@jimbob498 This is literally a comment section.... they are leaving a comment. It is not called the "Coherent Argument section" XD. *facepalm*
And sucked him off about his insightful documentary the rest of the time.
The last hour of the podcast is the gay marriage discussion for those interested.
Joe did a great job of challenging every argument that Walsh brought up. Walsh made a point of never mentioning The religious basis for his views until Joe pulled it out him. Then like the grifter he is, Matt made sure to point out multiple times that it was Joe that brought up religion.
I only wish Joe had pressed further on the fact that same-sex couples have every right to the legal and tax benefits that come with marriage, but especially the right to visit your spouse when they are sick or dying in the hospital.
Cognitive dissonance runs deep in that man.
Walsh is the kind of guy that if we found a cure for dementia and aging, he would be like, "Dementia is a natural biological part of reality and we shouldn't be denying or pushing against the tide of biology"
thats what conservative brainrot does to you
@Lazarus polio used to be is a natural phenomena. Yet we found an effective vaccine for it saving millions of people from the horrors of this illness.
What Matt Walsh is doing is denying the cultural changes that are happening and in an attempt to make the world fit his views he suggests enforcing his idea what marriage is on everyone else. What OP is pointing to is how rigid and inflexible Matt Walsh' intellectual dishonest brain is.
@Lazarus point granted and you are correct. My interpretation was that you used to same logic to acknowledge Walsh' argument because that is where I disagree.
Marriage is a social construct and therefor can find new/diffirent meaning with cultural, societal and religious change. The definition or better said his definition is not as strong as like a scientific fact.
you cannot compare a cure to dementia and homosexual unions. they are completely different, dementia is something that affects the life of another person, and if that person would like treatment that could potentially cure them, then why not. homosexuality on the other hand doesn’t affect anyone’s life to the same extent that dementia does. homosexuality, by the nature itself, is backwards, that’s doesn’t mean that gays are bad or anything. it just does not fit into the purpose of what marriage is. if marriage isn’t the union between two people for unitive and procreative reasons that what is marriage? why even get married when you can just stay in a boyfriends/girlfriends relationship. aside from tax cuts and other governmental/legalistic views on marriage, what purpose does it socially serve if it at least does not take both union and pro-creativity into account? and the argument of some people can’t procreate, they’re infertile is not a good argument, because those are couples who have the potential to procreate, but for medical reasons, it unfortunately cannot happen, i’m pretty sure more than half of the people who are STRUGGLING with infertility, want to have kids, hence the word struggling.
Imagine debating gay marriage in 2022. I thought we got over this like 10 years ago...
The Trump presidency set us back socially a good ten years
remember abortion ? I guess not.
The Skydaddy Cult never left
You haven't heard Florida and Texas and 10 other states planning on repealing gay marriage.
@@budigunawan1677 That’s what I’m talking about… People are still debating gay marriage in 2022 and it’s ridiculous.
14:00 Walsh: So it's just a subjective symbolic thing
Rogan: Yeah
Never underestimate how dumb Matt walsh can be.
Meanwhile, Kyle advocates for forcing people to pay others a minimum wage. Which is blatantly anti-freedom. Hypocrisy is everywhere, isn’t it?
The thing I'm surprised Joe didn't just say is actually the other side of his argument: Plenty of people love each other and have kids and choose to not get married. Walsh even asserting that he's just giving a name to the act of procreation is flawed because of that very fact. The fact that you can not have kids while married, and have kids while not married proves it's as Joe says, symbolic and subjective.
I thought joe just walked through the holes in Matt's argument. Once it was defined as the procreative union Matt had no logical out
Props to Joe for throttling him. Regarding the the whole platforming thing, I feel like it goes both ways. Sure, these people don't deserve attention, but I think exposing how irrational and indefensible these positions are does more good than harm.
I agree with this. I think realistically Walsh getting embarrassed on Rogan is a better way to get people who follow his content to think differently.
As proved by the fact that over the past x years, public opinion (at least as routinely measured in polls) shows that, if anything, gay marriage has become even *more* accepted than it was. Nothing guys like Matt Walsh put out is doing anything to move the needle in the opposite direction.
I agree with this notion aswell. I mean yea, I'd like to believe most people are rational enough to see people like Matt Walsh as what they really are. We might not want tl give these people a voice. But if you let an irrational person talk long enough, you will see just how badly they can cause themselves and their ideology to fall apart.
I agree! Just because someone says something on a podcast doesn't mean everyone listening has to automatically mindlessly believe it. That's not how people work! I think it's important to listen to the rationales of people you don't agree with to see where they are coming from and help solidify your own positions on things.
So I also have issue with it as I’m afraid whether Joe intends that or not, I of course don’t think he’s very conservative(tho I’d hardly say he’s liberalist either) but it does make a knot in my stomach whenever it happens but I do agree that it never paints them favourably and it’s usually obvious when Joe has issue with or feels sympathetic to what they’re saying so I’m despite my feelings I usually feel safe once watching the episode and seeing how Joe reacts