Guys, it's *_confirmed_* that the gay couple is none other than HYBE X Ithaca Holdings 😂 Anyway, it's May already. Prediction aside, all the points stand true & valid. This video is just a precaution. PS. I disagree with publicly outing someone, but implying that there's _no way_ any member is queer and could possibly fall in love with each other is heteronormativity. It's also wrong. We don't know that for sure. We just have to be open of the possibility as we do to every human being in general. Stop assuming someone's sexuality should work BOTH ways. Comments like "They 100% will marry the opposite sex" or "All BTS members are straight" is hurtful and borderline homophobic TBH because that's exactly what society expects from us and yet we can't say out loud that we refuse to conform. PSS. The comment in this video is now moderated. This video is about LGBT awareness and how we should support the member if anyone ever comes out. Which ship do you think is real *DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL.* Your opinion cannot change the truth.
I have to watch this again after watching the latest video.. I'm sorry I'm a bit slow but you said 'confirmed that the gay couple is none other than hybe ithaca...." did i miss something ? ...
I love this one. It’s wise and shows conceptual facts. It’s always been jinkook for me. They always have special bond and there’s been moments that come out from jk’s mouth that confirms me. Not a delusional video that makes me a shipper. I’ll always support them for 1000%. At the same time I don’t wanna come out them to public, just don’t want them to face hardships cause I love them so much 😭
Wouldn’t bother me at all I’m 65 and just love Jin and JK together I really think they love each other and I’d be glad if the came out and would support them 100% 💜💜💜💜💜
I love you and I love this video to no actual extent. It's so beautiful to find someone who is open-minded and considerate about all this situation. Im from lgbtq community and I understand how tough things could get regardless of support and society. There will always be a you and you yourself! It doesn't matter who the ship is or if there's a real ship; the only thing that should be our concern is to support their music and who they are. They won't make genuine music if they can't be themselves.
I'm new to #BTS but as a mother you can tell there are feelings for another. I will support who ever it is but I do hope it is #Jungkook and #Jin. Let the person come out on their own, you love who you Love.If this person makes you happy and good about yourself , so be it. I will support them and be happy they found someone to Love and who will Love them in return. Love, support and acceptance is what they need from A.R.M.Y , I hope A.R.M.Y come through for them. LOVE always for #BTS
I really loved ur video.. shipping for fun and accepting the reality are two different things and many people won't like it when their "favorite ship" is not real.. its about their life and it is a serious thing.. coming out will be very difficult for them and if any of the members is gay its not really necessary that their partner in one of the members also.. ur video is very informative and i think it will help the viewers to understand the members better coz at the end its about the members' life not us fans and our support would really mean so much to them. 💜
I'm so relieved to see a comment like yours because I feel like a lot of people missing the point and it makes me sad. Even if my channel is a soft shipping channel, I understand the boundaries and I'll accept the truth, any truth, with an open mind. Their happiness is way more important than what we believe.
Well. Really good video that explains things in context of reality rather than fans hoping and shipping who they like to pair up. In my opinion as it's better if they don't reveal things because of any kind of environmental pressure. They can surely be open about themselves and real fans should support them. But considering how south Korea reacts to these and how "maybe" a majority of fans might react to it might not be good. Also .. there's also taking into consideration the decision as members of a group and not individuals. But above all I love them all as they are and for who they are and I hope they receive all the love for being themselves and not falling prey to unhealthy amount of expectations. :) 💜
this is so thoughtful and a smart video essay. i appreciate all the effort you’ve done in your videos. they’re clean, easy to watch and all high quality.
True ARMYs will always support them no matter what. I too hope if any of them come out as a couple, it should be by their choice & not due to anything else. I am worried abt the tarot artist’s 1st prediction as well abt a member becoming depressed. Hope that doesn’t come true!🤞🏼💜
Honestly, after i saw that clips, Jin is the one that pop on my mind, remember the song ABYSS and his reason why he wrote that songs, he suffer from anxiety and depression, and he said he already overcome it, but i am not sure if he really overcone on that 100%, because this past interviews and some awards shows, his not on his usual self, or maybe he really tired only, i don't know
@@msbirthmarkmasters6217 I thought abt Jin too. It will take time for him to completely overcome it. Healing process is gradual. But they have each other so that gives me hope that they will be happy in the end with each other’s support.
Divination puts forth the most probable situation from the point of time it is done. Time changes and so do the many variables involved in predictions. I haven’t seen it mentioned much so I wanted to note that maknae Jungkook was chosen as People magazine’s very first International Sexiest Man of the Year. Italy also included Jungkook on their list of sexiest men. He’s not a baby any more. Thank you for your in-depth explanations.
Yes, divination is...tricky. When we read for ourselves, we can consciously weigh our decision and take control of our actions. The purpose is clear but I don't get it when people do specific readings about BTS future spouse, twin flame, etc. General yearly prediction is okay for me, but personal things like those are none of our business since it'll bring more disadvantages (ex. people speculating non-stop, people taking opinions as facts) than advantages.
It won't be a surprise to me any time Jin & Jk go public that they are a couple. However, It won't be a surprise either if they confirm that they are nothing more than close friends, even after all I've witnessed. When I think about the weight of life as a lgbtq for such high profile public figure in south korea, it seems nearly impossible to happen. Either way I'll always support who and what makes them happy, even if it's a girlfriend. 💜
the ones commenting ''xx is real'' or ''x and x sus'' obviously don't care about what this video is even about. y'all only care about proving your ship is ''real'' and tbh if you really just love the people in your ship as they are and support them with zero selfish agenda and not for your ego, y'all wouldn't feel the need to comment those. stop projecting what YOU want instead of what THEY want
@@moonbathingrite i respect your decision and as a fan of your content, i feel comfortable watching your videos knowing that you're respectful. jnkk community on yt(on other social platforms too but it's more noticeable here) grew a lot during this year. there are a couple new channels that i feel uncomfortable with and yours is one of the few that, i feel, have maturity. it's also really nice that you put a lot of effort behind your videos and make them beautiful. thank you for great content!
@@ggukiedoll7273 I notice that too. All the creators that I often watch are currently inactive, so I don't watch any Jinkook videos these days. No worries though, we never lack real moments haha.
everyone who thinks that taekook, jikook, namjin etc are real should stop watching those delusional "analysis" videos, just bc theyre looking at each other for more than 2 seconds or are flirting jokingly doesnt mean that theyre dating (+In the soop confirmed that taekook isnt real)... i can see one or more members being queer in bts, but i have my doubts about the members dating each other... im a jinkooker and they have many moments which are kinda wtf to me but whatever their relationship is, i truly love them bc they make me really jealous of their friendship. its such a strong relationship between them. thank you for making this video, i wish i could send this to everyone who wants their ship to be revealed by dispatch! im so happy that we have a great jinkook channel without delusional theories 😭 and your fanfic is one of my favourite its so so well written i really enjoyed reading it:)
Thank you for reading my fic!! IKR most shipping videos focus too much on skinship, but I want to show the connection on my channel. That way, whether they're real or not, in a relationship or not, it doesn't matter. Besides, it's not my territory to prove or reveal something like that. The label is never the goal, I just want people to appreciate their bond more.
i'm a jikooker and i agree with you 100%. i genuinely can't stand seeing over analyzed theories that come out of nowhere, they make me feel kinda sick. and yes!! only because they look at each other or hug it doesn't mean they're together romantically and it DOESN'T mean the other person involved in the ship is jealous (at least not all the time). whatever or whomever they decide to do or be with is none of my concern. all i can do is support them unconditionally.
every single rumor I've seen has said if there is a couple it's an unpopular ship, so it wouldn't be any of the popular ships like taekook, yoonmin, namjin, jikook, etc.
Years ago, I watched a video (now deleted), this person quite same with Mhoni Vidente, an indigo & using tarot as their medium. Some of their predictions was really happened, and in a couple of videos they read about bts members -onebyone- by request (they claimed they are not a kpop fans & totally doesn't know bts at all). They said about Jk & it happened (you mentioned it in the video). One that caught me, they said behind the scene Jin -not only from girls but- got so many love calls from guys. It varied from idols to ceo or actor, but currently he is "tied" to someone else. The tarot reader couldn't elaborate more (including what "tied" means) because it hidden deep inside. And now, the other tarot reader said something similar (although she does not said the name), but... I have my own (objective) thoughts that it might be Jin & Jk, but... idk. Anyway, personal opinion, If they say there are a queer in bangtan, I can't help to agree. Looking at from their lyrics and music -universal love- logically speaking, they can't reach that level of understanding about universal love IF they can't experience it themselves. I'm not queer myself but I was surrounded with queers and we always have a deep conversation about lgbtq. When they listening to bts music, they really amazed with the message bts give that lead to asked whether there are a queer in bangtan. And I agree, coming out is not something easy. Some people I closely know even had a depression admitted their sexuality & coming out to their family, this make me think does the point 1 related to the point 3? Who knows. One thing for sure, whatever happens with their personal life its not ours to meddle. We can only keep supporting them and wish for their happiness :)
Really? It’s interesting coz J also got so many flowers on Valentine’s Day in all boys school. I mean, in real life, what kind of charm does he has to be so damn attractive to all genders? But yes. Agree 100% that their lyrics deliver to another level.. I consider my self as bi but I never come out in real life and I’m even married now with kids. I enjoyed their music but when I found out the lyrics (and translate it) it’s just so different. If feels like I’m being reminded to the feelings that I used to know... sorry I’m not even able to explain it but yeah I hope u get my point
@@mrss670 Yes, I saw that interview when he talk about valentine in his all boys school. Btw, beside Jinkook, to be honest I also think about Jimin and Taehyung. Not like Jungkook and Jin, both Jimin and Taehyung are quite 'open' about their fondness and attachment to each other.
Brooo I heard abt that too.. I followed some insider acc and they said so many actors /actress and celeb chasing him/have a crush on him behind the scene.. he's quite popular between actors/actress
For me, it is ok if they don't have to come out of the closet, as long that they are together and continue loving each other. Gender is not something that can define a person, everyone just needs to treat each other equally, we all deserve to be loved and to love. Even though sometimes, true love comes from an unexpected places and people. I will support them whatever will be their choices in the future. And like you've said on your other video "YOU DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH THE GENDER, YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH THE PERSON" and i love JINKOOK for who they are and not for what they are☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
@@msbirthmarkmasters6217 natatakot ako para sa kanila a totoo lang sis mas mabuti nq yung ganito nalang muna minsan iniisip ko rin di kaya related din to kaya dumaan si Jin sa anxiety....anong sa palagay mo sis?
@@littleprincejeon8285 oo parehas tayo, ganyan din naiisip ko kung bakit naging ganon ang nangyari kay Jin, lalo na don sa point na kinikwestyon nya kung deserve nya ba lahat ng natatanggap nya, lalo na naka receive na sila nung MERIT ba yon na parang HALL OF FAME kumbaga sa bansa nila, sa edad nila sila yung pinakabata na nakatanggap non, syempre iniisip ni Jin na hindi nya deserve lahat ng yon dahil nga siguro sa nararamdaman nya, kaya ok na din ako sa ngayon na sitwasyon nila na kahit huwag sila umamin kung may aaminin man, basta lagi silang masaya at magkasama, masaya na ako don at kontento na ako
@@msbirthmarkmasters6217 nakakalungkot talaga...maybe in the future or after ng enlistment nila....at dyan nqrin malalaman kung sino tlaga ang totoong fans...wish ko lang maging okay ang lahat pag nangyari yon.....
I totally support all of them , for I am a mother of three beautiful daughters , one is straight , one is bisexual and one is non- binary , and my oldest granddaughter is a lesbian , no matter what I love them unconditionally and support them in their life choices , it is such a shame for any one who has to hide it and not be able to show and love openly , so I wish for all the members of BTS to be happy with their life choice and not be ashamed of it , be proud and enlighten your soul with all the love 💜💜
Thank you so much for being a wonderful parent to your kids! They must be very lucky to have you and I love the diversity in your family. I think your house must be so warm and full of love 💜
@Moonbathingrite, excellent video! Thank you. It is four days post 2022 Grammys and there are a number of YT clips that seem to indicate the duo has thrown caution to the wind and are openly holding hands.JK looks very challengingly toward the cameras. Good for them! Best of luck with their decision.
We are only humans afterall, we all deserve to love and be loved. Whenever they wish to come out of closet, I would respect their decision. And would accept them with open arms, even if they don’t plan to, I hope they live a happy life and I will keep rooting for them nonetheless.
Thank you so much for this video it's really amazing♡....that was true not all man/boy who falls with same sex are gay some are straight maybe they're just develop their feelings especially when they have been together for a long time....but some people are disgusted about being gay....they didn't accept it...this is one thing that i been worried about....(hello they are still human so you should respect them it is not their fault if they are like that and they didn't chose it too...)but if ever all of this is real well...i will still loving and supporting them till the end...
Actually, there's a distinction between romantic attraction and sexual attraction, so yes, it could also be like that or they repressed it. There are so many possibilities just because in almost 2021 we still don't accept that 😪
I literally got goosebumb. I love it so much. I also agree with u about the possibility of when they'll be coming out (if they want to). Almost impossible for if they are coming out before the enlistment and when they are still on top. To much at stake. Thank you for this. Borahae. 💜💜💜 #jinkookisreal
Yes, almost like career suicide, I guess? It happened to Hong Seokchon and he was fired immediately from the TV station. That's why her prediction makes me anxious because IF it's true I'm afraid that it'll be because of other parties...
@@moonbathingrite ikr. I almost think that i dont want them to come out, ever. Become a kpop idol is scary. The pressure from the fans is out of this world. If what she said is true then i hope it won't blew up until they are in the safe level. Finger cross.
@@moonbathingrite Fyi- Here in America, "gay" sounds prettier/more loving than "queer" + also prefer saying "boyfriends" over saying "lovers" -which is thought of as having a secret lover (cheating on the side)..Whether any are gay/bi, etc or if they're all straight, I'd support them 200%,.. They've grinded for so many years, given us such great music, shared of themselves, since teens, to give us such joy, hope they're happy + feel cherished with whoever they end up with (since I can't have Jimin anyway, lol)😢😆💜
In my opinion I think its jinkook, many people see them as brotherly relationship but it's not. I respect other ships too. But I believe jinkook may be real.
@@moonbathingrite dude i really support jinkook..i want it too..but i guess its not possible..i wait everytime just for jinkook video..i ignore all other ships but u know ..i guess its our bad luck its not gonna happen
When I first saw the title, I was a little irked but you've put all your points so well. Everything you said has been balanced with a counter argument or a different perspective. Thank you for sharing.
NGL that irks me too hahaha. But we shall return the proper use of a clickbait. If the title is too serious I think I won't reach my target audience who needs to hear it.
Having such a huge global support can be seen as the biggest strength of BTS, but some people may also see it as a political threat. I’m sure BTS fans will unconditionally support them in everything, and that they will bring about a change in a way only they can. Thank you so much for this essay, I am a supporter of love, however or with whomever it might be experienced, and I feel that in the end, love always wins. Whether people decide to stay closetted or come out, nobody can stop anyone from experiencing love, and finding their soulmate, whoever it may be. That said, I completely understand the hardships queer people would have to go through, to be accepted for who they are. If they decide to stay hidden, it is completely their choice and should be respected.
I didn't realise that I was not able to comment on this video when it's such a good piece. 2021 isn't over yet, so we are not sure whether Mhoni Vidente's prediction will still come to pass. One already did, which is about one of the members becoming depressed. Jin openly talked about that. And maybe RM for president of S. Korea one day? Who knows? It just might come to pass. Now, the couple openly admitting to dating themselves -- while personally I want it to be JinKook, I am afraid for them and don't want them to admit it now. Maybe later after their contract and military service. I am afraid that something might happen to them if they admit it now. If and when they decide to live openly together, they can move to Canada, or the Netherlands, or the Scandinavian countries, or anywhere else where gay marriages are accepted. My family and I were having dinner in Sweden once and at the next table was a gay couple and I swear they were so in love and no one was bothering them. I want that for JinKook. Thanks, Q, for this video. I wasn't able to comment earlier and I am doing it now although I have watched this before when you first dropped it. Love your videos to the moon and back, and I love how you are asking people to stop gay-sifying the boys if they are not serious about support towards the LGBTIQA community. I insist on including 'intersex" and "asexual" because they are glossed over by many. Borahae 💜
The first point is more than depression though. I didn't mention it in the video but a subscriber was kind enough to translate it for me. The prediction said that it'll also be related to substance abuse as the coping mechanism. That's the main point. Probably weed since it's illegal in South Korea and many artists got into trouble because of that. That being said, it's May now while she mentioned that the gay couple prediction will happen in the beginning of the year. So, hopefully nothing bad will come true! I think the military is the biggest hurdle, at least for now since it's time for them to enlist. I hope later when the time is right, they can be "selfish" for their own happiness and do whatever they want, like moving to an LGBT friendly country. All we can do is hope for the best! I'm thinking of making another video about queerbaiting in K-Pop because I feel that the industry itself "endorses" fans' fantasy yet at the same time is still trapped in an internalised homophobia. That's reflected in the "shipping" narrative.
@@moonbathingrite please do! I think we need to have that conversation going because the hypocrisy needs to be called out. The shipping narrative is becoming too much for my sensibilities, tbh. I am not 12, or 16, or 18, or 25. I am a cisgendered mature woman at the prime of my life and what the fans are "demanding" from them are tasteless and emotionally damaging to the artists. Why can't we appreciate their music and what they stand for instead of fawning over every look, and every touch that they do to one another. When I see some clips (why do I even bother to watch them?) on my IG about jealous so-and-so, my eyes roll so much at the back of my head that I am afraid it is never coming back into focus! And let's talk about weed...my favorite herb. It's legal where I officially live. When Governments begin to decriminalise drugs, that's when good things happen. Case in point, Portugal. But let's reserve that discussion for another time. PS You wrote chapter 3 of CB!!!!! I can't wait to read it whilst having tea!
I was a teakook and namjin shipper before and it's quite funny when these predictions about the real couple happened every teakookers were like omg if they come out, I will be the happiest person in the world but jinkookers are like I don't want them to come out or whatever their relationship is, I will support them forever I think jinkookers are more mature than teakookers 🤭
Interesting, right? That every ship attracts different kinds of people. It should be the default response, though, when we're genuinely more concerned about their happiness than us being right.
No creo q ser más maduras sea la palabra sino q hemos visto como se ha ido formando y cuan profundo son los sentimientos q hay en ellos, sus batallas interiores sus depresiones sus gritos de rebeldía, su tristeza su llanto…sea cual sea su verdad q ellos la digan o se callen no tenemos derecho a juzgar …solo observarlos y apoyarlos en la decisión q tomen y como decidan vivir… el amor es amor
If there ever was a couple, there’s no doubt it’d be Jinkook. 2020 was truly Jinkooks era, especially with how JK keeps getting more and more bold in public nowadays. It’s almost like he’s telling the fans that Jin is his? They are almost always together & touching (mostly JK) in interviews & appearances. Sadly I doubt they would ever come out anytime soon.
totally agree! jin is slowly showing his affection to jungkook out to the public like in the recent grammy nomination v-live, he said out of nowhere, “i love you” to jungkook 3 times. almost like a habit and jungkook looked kinda shy afterwards. but these are just my thoughts
I love different ships but I'm not sure how I'll react if it didn't turn out the way i imagined ....but if i can't support them to that extent I'll just keep quiet ...what happens in their personal life will not be my territory .....of course I'll support BTS as a music lover as one of them is my ultimate crush Jinnie 💜✨ if i can't say anything good i swear I'll never say bad ..... **Thank u my perspective really changed in a good way ( ◜‿◝ )♡ after this video**
Thank you for still watching my video! I hope everyone could have this mindset, no matter who they ship. Deep down we have to be wise enough to admit this fact.
Great video! I appreciate your insight and opinion as I find it very relatable! Bravo! (also people, if you're ARMY, then be true ARMY, and love all the members, period...just bc you have a bias doesn't mean the other members matter less... remember, your bias loves those other 6 members most in this world and by saying hurtful things about the others, you're also hurting your bias, just food for thought.)
Thank you so much for the christmas gift, i wish i can give you a big hug and kisses now, because your video bring a big smile to me and how happy I am now😄😄😄, i wish time will run fast because I still have 30minutes before my break, so it means , i haven't watch it yet🤣🤣🤣, again thank you so much, and ADVANCE MERRY CHRISTMAS, STAY SAFE, BORAHAE THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT JINKOOKERS ALSO, ASIDE FROM BEING RESPECTFUL AND OPEN MINDED, THE COMMENTS SECTIONS BECAME AN ESSAY SECTIONS, AND I AM LOVING IT, STAY SAFE ALWAYS FAM, FIGHTING, BORAHAE
This is also what I'm afraid of. If one of the shipper does exist, I'm afraid that if they admit it all will change. I'm afraid that they will get a lot of pressure from various parties. because it is certain that there will be more who reject than accept. not necessarily the fans will be by their side either. I too fear for their safety. both from haters and from depression. so somehow I just want all of this to be a delusion.
Thank you for interesting essay, excellent like your previous productions. 👍 I totally agree with your concept of supporting and accepting them doesn't matter they decide to come out or not. Acceptance should be unconditional. Personally, I think there is a very little chance, that we will hear about it this year. Given to the the circumstances, it would be safer and wiser to do so after the military service and the end of their contract. However, 7 months left till the end of this year and everything can happen.💜
I think the concept that most straight people don't understand is that coming out is a personal thing. We _can't_ and _shouldn't_ out them. If they don't want to, it's perfectly fine. That's the reason I try to be neutral in my videos because all we can do so far is appreciating their bond ☺️
@@moonbathingrite Exactly, this is personal thing, and we can be just discreet observers and supporters. 👍 Anyway, I have planned to watch your last essay about Queerbaiting this evening and am curious about your point of view. 💜
I have been watching some of your clips but today after this video I'm subscribing to you. Y? Your general outlook coincides with mine. No one should make the 7 to do anything they are not comfortable doing. They do because they want to. I'm okay with anything they do as long as they don't harm themselves or other members. They are individuals like us and have every right to live their life just like us.
I love them all the way they are... And it really doesn't matter what there love choices are... I support them to the moon and black.... and I just wish no matter what they find soulmates and live happily ever after.... They just get happiness because they gone through alot.... I just pray for them... 🙏💜💜
Wonderful video. I hope people will grow and evolve their thinking and know love is love, you shouldn’t judge someone because of who they love. I doubt any of the BTS member will come out until society is more tolerant of people. On a side note, I believe in VMIN and JINKOOK relationship to be more than platonic and I love them very much and wish them lifelong happiness.
I think before their debut they're all straight...but after living together, growing together overcoming hardships and success together, some of them got confused of their own sexuality
Agreed, you can see some slight behaviours from some members in 2017-2018, but I started to get some heavy vibes from Tae & JK in 2019-2020. I don’t think they are attracted to one another, but I’ve started to notice how they behave towards another member.
I want to share my experience if you don't mind. It's not that people used to be straight, but they could also be repressing it because of heteronormativity. As they mature, meeting different kinds of people, witnessing various kinds of love, they learn (or in this case I learn) that there's a different identity that fits me best. I finally accepted that I'm pan during my 20s. It's late, but if I re-evaluate myself, I always have that view on love and people but I don't know how to label it. Yes, it could be confusing, but so does the process of discovering yourself. The most important thing is we get through the journey 💜
that is the thing, many people were saying why is their ideal type describing women. Like everything was said almost 5-6 years ago.....it must have changed and now 2 of them might be bi or gays🤗
@@tq_sv I also think it's because the interviewer specifically asks about a girl. But if they describing a personality (ex. Jin always said that he likes someone who can cook), it still fits both genders. Or when Namjoon and Yoongi said that they care about the atmosphere/vibes rather than physical appearance.
thanks for the video. I'm sorry but I lol-ed so hard at the 'tarot card reader /psychic from Cuba' 😂 ok do people really believe her predictions about a bunch of boys she doesn't know who live on the other side of the world? that being said, it's an open secret among kpop insiders that there is a gay couple in the industry within the same group which is a very famous group. but dispatch has also stated before that they will never reveal who this couple is to protect them as Korea is still very conservative
I respect all but also love bts dating two member its not my priority bec. they have thier own life decisions and choice in life im here as a fan...a fan who alwys suppur5 their idols
I saw the unpopular ship and being from maknae line and hyung line thing a while ago and my mind immediately went to vhope, I fell deep down the vhope rabbit hole about 2 years ago and I'm still sometimes convinced even though I don't ship like that anymore bc I feel it's not my place to make those assumptions about people I don't know.
I think it is either Jin, Jungkook, Jimin, Yoongi or Taehyung.....whoever is the couple I will support them and shower them with LOVE they deserve. They can change the idea of gays around the world and also Korea. Not being racist or anything but Korea is a very judging and toxic. That country is very much advanced in tech but are hella orthodox. They can help people realize that being gay is not bad or a crime.
True, that's my point with being a developed country. You can't be extremely advanced in technology and other external things yet maintaining the people to be conservative. It doesn't match and I think it won't work in the future.
@@moonbathingrite obviously honey, this generation is not gonna follow their parents footsteps. There is SOOOOO much which is gonna change......for instance arrange marriage won't exist or will exist in a small percentage, and then number of gay and lesbian marriages will increase. And I will let my future child marry whoever they want (like after knowing some stuff hahaha) or let him/her be gay, lesbian or bi cause we all are evolving and new thing are gonna be introduced.....And bts can help 💜 that change.....after all the things they have changed around the WHOLE world. I'm proud😌
I wish they can lead their life happily They didn't deserve any hate I am worried not because any two are dating but the amount of hate they will get if they reveal their relationship😔😔
That's my concern too. We can't deny the fact that shipping in K-Pop is a part that makes the fandom alive, yet at the same time, it can also bring so much chaos. I hope all can sincerely wish them to be happy despite everything.
Omg this is so well done!!!!!!!!! You're super well spoken and you touched the topic with so much sensitivity! I love it. Thank you! this is super informative as well! Aahhh!!!
Really dont mind if some of them are gay as long as they are good people. Loved them for being so talented and creative. If they decide to come out in the future, i will still support BTS and other idols/artists.
First of all, great work! You’ve created an exceptional video. I’d like to thank you that you were discussing all those things in a real-life, not “fluffy” way as some may want to see. In full honesty I think “coming out" for an idol right now will either be met with a complete denial or huge harsh attacks. Korean society is still very conservative. Idols are CONSIDERED straight by the public, because heterosexuality is deemed as the norm. On the other hand it’s quite likely there are a number of non-straight people in the SK entertainment industry who have to maintain their careers while remain closeted. BTS are seen as sympathetic to LGBTQ rights, although there is no official statement of support for obvious reasons, yet, but they did show it clearly with their actions multiple times. Jin himself said that he had attended GP in Chicago and liked the event. You hit the nail on the head when you separated Bang Si-hyuk persona from the BH company. He undoubtedly condoles as an individual but it’s a business where currently everything surrounding BTS simply works and makes money and more money. Big Hit surpassed the big-3 in the industry. For all boys it’s much safer and wiser to continue making money and at the same time gaining greater power within the society they may wish to change in the future. Sexuality is complex and personal. Absolutely no one should be ashamed or threatened because of the type of person they are or are not attracted to.
So I watched whole video, I know I'm 1.5 month late but it still give me goosebumps. I know that dispatch didn't reveal anything about BTS though if they come out many people don't accept them. There are 3 reasons for them:(1)they like their idol romantically (2)they don't wanna accept that their idol may be homosexual or bisexual.(3)their ship is proven wrong because of who comes out as a real couple I hope that they will never come out as there are so many hardships if they do so, but who knows they can able to change people's perspectives towards lgbt community. Everyone things that jk is most loved one by us but sometime it's also true that he is the most hated by some people when it comes to scandals especially that tattoo artist one.(thoungh in my point of view love someone is not considered as scandel). Its actually heartbreaking that jk even say sorry for that in bv4. And its also true that jk is shipped with almost all the members and also with female idols. And that's the reason why he is not much active on social media. May be he is using it but not posting anything. Jk is grown up man now. We always miss that cute little bunny but isn't it true that we also change with time. I wish he does the thing whatever he wants to do not those things what we armys want. Our maknae become more and more stronger (physically and mentally both) day by day so I hope for the best. I don't want them to get depressed but I know that if they got depressed then also they will become more stronger. 😘 If one day they come out with their boyfriend or girlfriend, we army will support them till the end, right? 💜
I’ll be happy if two members of bts are dating each other. I support the LGBT community and I love gay people. Let people date whoever they want. They’re human.
Looking forward to your comment especially if you understand Spanish and have experience with tarot/astrology too 💜 + channel update because I don't have the community tab. 1. I plan to release Ep.5 in Jan or early Feb because I need more confirmation first. Gidaryeo, gidaryeo~ 2. If I make another video essay like this, what kind of topic would you like to discuss? I love the comment section on my videos so much, so I think it'll be interesting to create a space to discuss.
1. Take your time, I will wait for you to upload new videos, I'm sure that will be another amazing one. 2. How about comparing Jinkook with other ships? or about the members' reactions when Jinkook does something romantic? Whatever jinkook content you'll upload, I'll definitely like it! Fighting!! 💜
Hi! I mostly agreed with you and love how you did not push your opinion and are open for discussion ❤️ Even I mainly ship JinKook but I am still hoping the best for them whether they have romantic relationship or not, I just love how every member love each other. I also agree that if, as we still assume, two of the members come out, it would be very brave of them considering they live in a country that not support LGBT+ and they’re very popular kpop band who need to maintain their image. If they ever come out, I guess they will do it after the contract end, or at least after the military service. I am so worry about their safety. Anyway, I will always support them whatever their decision with their life, as a fans I think we really need to respect them as individual and human being. Hope they will always find happiness 💜 Aside from the predicament, I also watched some tarot reading about JinKook (just for fun hahaha) and one of them just mentioned how JK is very fond with Jin. Anyway, thank you for your hardwork coming up with this kind of video! It’s very enlighten and you just answer all my concerns and worries about them ❤️
It is ok , take your time, to tell you the truth I WAS BORN TO WAIT😊😊😊😊, i don't know if you would like to do the list that i want you to make on your next (coming) videos, but still, i will try to make a list:😊😊😊😊😊😊 1. Compilations when they are standing or sititng together, the space between the others, since 2013 and present 2. Compilations of JINKOOK pouting lips, when they are on cam, and even on some of their photos when they are side by side, because i also notice that, too 3. Compilations of how they are always aware to each other, like complimenting each other even though they are not on a conversations 4. Compilations of how they protect each other 5. Compilations of how they prioritize each other I am sorry my list are very long, but it is ok if you can't do it, I will still wait for your beautiful videos of JINKOOK, thank you in advance, and advance Merry Christmas, stay safe, BORAHAE
It's okay...just take your time i can still wait and about the list amm...well any jinkook compilation i'm contented with it and advance merry christmas!😊🌲🌲🌲borahae💜💕
1. We will wait for epi 5. Enjoy the holidays 2. An interesting topic for me would be the practice of shipping, especially during concerts, shows, taped youtube content. How Korean TV and entertainment promote same sex ships and yet the society as a whole is not open to same sex relationships. And how shipping is painful to the real romantic relationships in the group. Thank you very much for the work you do.
Everything you said, its all perfection! I think you should run for office alongside kim namjoon! Im so amazed of your eloquence. Im one of the guilty shipper who ship for fun ( namjin cuz of aesthetic reason only) i find jinkook, yoonmin and vope interesting especially jinkook based from all the videos that i have watched, you can see the deeper bond they share and love and respect for each other. but for now, i dont ship any of the pairs romantically until one of these pair confirmed that its true and official only then i will believe. Cuz i dont want to hurt myself assuming that my ship is real but the truth is not and im just delusional.
Yes, I think that's a very healthy way to approach shipping real people. I mean, they're not fictional characters whom we can push to be together in order to please us, the audiences. The reason I'm inactive from YT is that I find more people use shipping as an excuse to hate/diminish their relation to other BTS members (I mentioned it in the other video essays) and I don't want to encourage that.
i dont think it is not only about religion, but also confucian values of continuing your lineage, i got this insight from xiran youtube channel, but regarding jk and jin, well at least they have older brother, so the responsibility of continuing the lineage are off from their shoulders
Yes, you're right. Confucian values also play along though I think the younger generation starts to criticise things that are "wrong" from filial piety. Even if someone is gay, there's a chance that they'd marry for a facade or have some sort of arrangement sorted out. And when a person's is bi/pan, most likely they'd choose the easiest path.
What i want is for them to stop looking shock or offended when an international reporter ask them about dating. They should, by now, have a practiced answer. Honestly, in my opinion, Jk and Jin looks like they are more than dating. These men look like they are more married than me who have been married for 20 years. I dont think JK is doing well in the closet either. He is hissing and clawing to show you who he loves. He has always been like that. I am from Jamaica where people have been killed for being gay, sadly. I have made the effort to grow my kids differently. They are young adults now and, greatfully they are not homophobic at all. If Jin and Jk are gonna face some of the shit i have seen, i would beg them to think about coming out very carefully. As their fan, i really dont want to see them get hurt.
Me too! At least they can say, "That's a personal question. We don't want to answer that," instead of repating the old lines about dating ARMY and being too busy to date. They have to prepare the fans for that fact instead of keeping them away from accepting it. And thank you so much for taking care of your kids differently! I wish I had parents like you.
Even if they are gay what difference does it make they are still humans underneath, they still got blood the same as everyone else’s running through their veins, who we love can’t always be decided by others, just because a man likes feminine things and ways doesn’t prove anything. I say leave them alone they are not effecting you, some gay people are some of the nicest you can meet.
I'm very confused about popular relationships. I don't believe BH will advertise gay people so openly. Everyone forgets that South Korea is not America or Europe, where they are under an unspoken ban. Whether we'll ever know the truth is a million-dollar question.
TBH to me that happens in the whole gay shipping discourse, they often forget the cultural context and in that case, they can't treat it the same with most heterosexual relationships. I could make this into a video essay on its own haha.
@@moonbathingrite I know a little about Tarot cards. they do not show exactly what kind of relationship they give options for action. they won't say whether you're gay or not, that's what matters. You don't know what the card game was?Did she show the cards? Maps can warn and give direction, in short, there are many nuances, you need to see the layout, which cards fell out.
I truly wish.. But looking at how they transformed into HYBE I feel like I shouldn't expect too much. Someday I want idol to be able to be as oppenly supportive as Jessi in one of her Showterview episodes, instead of being vague.
@@moonbathingrite yeah, this Hybe thing is kind of worrying by means of they're going to be so into business. And.. as you may expect in business there will hardly be tolerance in many many things that might refer to a degrading denomination of the financial account , so.. yeah, we might never have the chance to witness a historical change that we dreamed of 🤐
So, yea yea yeaa we can still enjoy their music (..probably). Ughh, why do I sound so low??!! Nah. I'll keep my head straight up and if J.Kwon can do that why can't uri Jeonggukk and everyone of them do bigger! Jin has stated his pinky life style !💗😄🥰🥰🌈
Big Hit isn't supportive of BTS being gay. He was supportive of other artists that aren't BTS but Bang PD wouldn't let Tae sing a christmas love song with Jimin because in his opinion it would be weird if it wasn't a woman. The idea that Big Hit and Bang PD are pro LGBT is laughable just because BTS themselves are supportive of it doesn't mean the company is.
Here's the correct translation. "This song… I wrote this song last Christmas. I wasn’t sure how to go about it, so I asked one of the composers, Adora, for help in writing and in recording. I originally intended to sing this with Jimin. But the producer said it might not work for two guys to sing it. Like the lyrics won’t fit…" -V, 2018 Vlive Source: www.koreaboo.com/stories/bts-v-original-christmas-carol-hasnt-dropped-yet-already-armys-favorite-vlive-191214/ We can't say that a person, in this case, Adora, is homophobic because of a simple statement like this. As I said on the video, we have to differentiate between personal and company stance. For example, Adora might be supportive, but she's afraid that fans might take it the wrong way with all the shipping culture. There are many perspectives to look at a circumstance.
@@moonbathingrite That is def not the right translation, he mentions Pdogg in his vlive by name as the person that told him to go sing it with Adora instead and that's when he went spoke with Adora. Adora isn't the producer he's talking about. And this translation you posted is all out of order in the way he speaks of things. Koreaboo sometimes does TL;DR of things and parts of the dialogue can be lost that way twitter.com/taebokkiii/status/1341947647410622464 But at the end of the day it doesn't matter why the producer decided to say that the song will not fit two guys, it was said and that's enough to know that the company isn't the LGBT ally everyone wants them to be. We could speculate all day as to what was the reason why but the fact that it was said just means that they aren't willing to let the members be themselves.
I don't believe in astrology, but I loved the video. Love all your videos! I speak spanish if you need some help, my english isn't great tho. Btw love your voice, where are you from?
Let's just say I'm from Asia 😊 I'll be very thankful if you want to help! Mostly I just want to make sure if what I mentioned in the video is accurate because I can't double-check it, so don't worry if translating it is too much. I link two of her videos on the description.
Every night still waiting for your new uploads. Jinkook are bolder now a days. Pls pls can you give us some of your inputs. Your my fave channel about them. I saw your name in some comments in IG and suddenly watched your videos with amazement. 🤗🤗🤗
It surprised me why everyone here is saying jinkook when the relationship between them doesn't look romantic but strong bond of two playful people. If they fall in love with anybody is for us to love and support them more.jk can be gay but I don't think he can partner with jin.taejin bond looks suspicious more than jinkook
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone. So if you think Taejin are real, so be it while others or me thinks, Jin and jk have a deeper bond/ relationship based on what I see, then that is that. In reality though, nobody knows unless the members themselves will confirm...
There's a reason why everyone is saying Jinkook. Look closer.....Jin and JK are more than the one dimensional stereotype of Tom and Jerry. And if there is a BTS couple, it will be the one you least suspect.
as LGBTQ we know how hard its for us so think how hard it would be for them I'm happy with whatever they do i just want them to be happy if anyone comes out as LGBTQ it makes me afraid that what if they get hurt the world has not fully accepted LGBTQ not even their own country bts is worldwide famous now but seeing how much shipping is increasing feels like fans won't mind if they're? i didn't expected so many fans like and want ship to be real and korea is not accepted yet but i feel like maybe they will in future
On GDA red carpet, there are some photos and videos of them simultaneously touching each other's butt while walking down the red carpet. I put the photo on ep 2 of my series. On ISAC, it's not only the video that I put here but a video of Jungkook resting his hand on Jin's crotch.
Jk having long hair because of Army only...in one of his live he said that he has no idea about his hair and asked army that how long he has to grow his hair and army said upto his cheek that's why now he has long hair..but rumors are spreading like in other way..what shit is this?
Well yes, it's like that on Twitter. Most people love JK's long hair, but there are also some who say that he looks too feminine or too pretty with the long hair. And in that interview when he cut his bangs, he's also aware that some prefer him to be cute. That's why I said it could be confusing especially if he tries to please everyone since everyone has different preferences anyway. Not all ARMY agree on the same thing, so he should do whatever he loves the most.
@@moonbathingrite of course he should follow his own heart..since as you said everyone have different perspective of views but because he loves army very much that's why he is doing for them.. Like even though he not like his hair tie up but after a live session where army told he is good with hair tie up so after that he follows that..this man who willing to do anything for army happiness getting these type of scandals....:(
I'm not really sure if it is jin or not because the other day the rumor came out that he said he wants to recreate kiss scene by pulling up the future girl if he meant jin can he pull jin up :)
I respect all BTS members , but I really wish nobody is gay bc the amount of rejection and hating they will receive from public and knets will be insane. Even some of army’s will be hating them I even red many comments about if their ship isn’t real they will be hating on other couple .I don’t want anybody of them to get hurt . If they have a love life I wish they will keep it between them and people they love only , nobody need to know. Let’s all these people has endless predictions .
In all honesty, supressing yourself to stay closeted isn't the most ideal solution either though it may look peaceful from the outside. It's between facing external battle (hates, threats, shame, etc) versus enduring internal battle that might also damage them emotionally in the long run. For instance, an internal voice that says all the love they receive is a mere illusion for a version of them who were never real. So, I wish they could do whatever they want and IF they somehow choose the coming out path, what a good riddance to have those "fans" go away. Fingers crossed many people will still support them, though they're not as loud today.
@@moonbathingrite hopefully they will be supported. I saw the hate that LGBTQ is facing form many people, even though the amount of acceptance of the society is better, there is still tons of people hating on LGBTQ community and since they are from Korea, I don’t know what will happens.BTS already receiving many love and hate as well from ignorant people.if someone come out I hope it will be his Choice without dispatch outing him.
They said someone who DOESN'T talk about his feelings, taehyung made a whole song abt depression and opened up about his feelings... So it is not him.. I think it is jhope, the joyful one but also the one that never talks abt his feelings
I've always thought this too 1 hyung line/ 1 maknae but it was just based on my feelings from what I've watched. I would be interested to know how this conclusion was come to by the creator too.
@@moonbathingrite Understood! It really could be any of them or none of them! I just go with my feeling's anyway. Unless they actually tell us (only if they even want to, they should never have to) I will just keep enjoying all this content the guys have been giving us cause I have been fed so good!! No matter what I/ARMY will support them!💜💜💜
Exactamente, los ships no son reales... Pero sí hay parejas del mismo género en el K-pop... No lo digo yo, lo dice una ex-idol. Que sea dentro de un mismo grupo?, no necesariamente.. Pero sí fuera del grupo. Aquí está el link, ella fue idol del K-pop durante años en Crayon Pop. Ahora ella es UA-camr, los ships no son reales... Toda la razón, pero sí hay parejas reales del mismo género. ua-cam.com/video/cEYa_-dTK3k/v-deo.html
Yes l think you are making a burden for BTS with this video. You said it yourself if people need to come out they must do it in their own time. People believe videos like this and become haters because of it. If they are gay or not so what, none of our business. I got the impression you wanted them to put their heads on the block to see what will happen. I say if they don’t want to talk about their sexuality then we respect and don’t talk about it. I am not a fan of BTS because of their sexuality, l am a fan because they are inclusive of everyone from all walks of life, young , old, gay straight, black ,white and everything in between. As for being the ones to lead the way with their influence for Asian countries, two of the biggest China and Japan undermine BTS at every step, why would they feel the need to follow someone they are trying to bring down. It would be handing them ammunition to shoot them with. BTS are doing just fine , they choose wisely what they will stand up for and how they will do it. They support the gay communities and that should be enough, if they want to do more they will. Their choice not yours or mine. Stop trying to out them publicly, l know it would be a great story for you but have some respect for the guys and what they are achieving in the music industry. If any of them turn out to be gay GREAT, if they are straight GREAT , anything else GREAT, it doesn’t matter. They were kids that grew into men , that have been through so much already, time for a bit of privacy and respect.
I don't think that you get the intention of the video. I already said the most important part on the conclusion. How could I give the members a burden when they didn't even see this video? That's just me trying to be hopeful after hearing the news. A consolation, looking at the bright side. I made this video not for BTS, but for the fans to help them understand the complexities of the situation if something like the prediction indeed happens. That scares me a lot imagining the fan wars or ship wars that could be created, so I made this video, contrary to your opinion, because I respect them. You get that impression because I speak from the what if scenario. Do I personally want them to come out? Of course not. That's a no brainer. Unless society changes.
Minkey Talk very well said... i completely agree with you....I feel sad that people are now questioning their sexuality because of their closeness. Different cultures have different ways of showing affection. I have watched many korean dramas and some things i noticed, feeding each other, giving piggybacks and pouring drinks for each other are signs of respect . Sitting like wearing a skirt is how they seat when they show respect, etcetc. So i just hope that videos or tarot predictions are not going to do harm to their closeness or put labels on them.
I have to come back again after watching other videos about this. It didn’t say hyung line and maknae line. It only said two members dating each other. Where do you get your sources from?
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Guys, it's *_confirmed_* that the gay couple is none other than HYBE X Ithaca Holdings 😂 Anyway, it's May already. Prediction aside, all the points stand true & valid. This video is just a precaution.
PS. I disagree with publicly outing someone, but implying that there's _no way_ any member is queer and could possibly fall in love with each other is heteronormativity. It's also wrong. We don't know that for sure. We just have to be open of the possibility as we do to every human being in general. Stop assuming someone's sexuality should work BOTH ways.
Comments like "They 100% will marry the opposite sex" or "All BTS members are straight" is hurtful and borderline homophobic TBH because that's exactly what society expects from us and yet we can't say out loud that we refuse to conform.
PSS. The comment in this video is now moderated. This video is about LGBT awareness and how we should support the member if anyone ever comes out. Which ship do you think is real *DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL.* Your opinion cannot change the truth.
I have to watch this again after watching the latest video.. I'm sorry I'm a bit slow but you said 'confirmed that the gay couple is none other than hybe ithaca...." did i miss something ? ...
@@beegees810 It's a joke because HYBE has a partnership with Ithaca Holdings haha
I think the biggest take away is that no matter what happens, we support BTS as they would support us in whatever we do.
💯 I hope people will focus on this part despite the clickbait haha
I love this one. It’s wise and shows conceptual facts. It’s always been jinkook for me. They always have special bond and there’s been moments that come out from jk’s mouth that confirms me. Not a delusional video that makes me a shipper. I’ll always support them for 1000%. At the same time I don’t wanna come out them to public, just don’t want them to face hardships cause I love them so much 😭
Wouldn’t bother me at all I’m 65 and just love Jin and JK together I really think they love each other and I’d be glad if the came out and would support them 100% 💜💜💜💜💜
For me I just want my jinkook will be together and be happy always.I don’t want they to come out.We just need to support them!
Aah i love you for this, always give us something that not many jinkookers youtubers provide..thank you thank you and thank you 💜💜💜
I love you and I love this video to no actual extent. It's so beautiful to find someone who is open-minded and considerate about all this situation. Im from lgbtq community and I understand how tough things could get regardless of support and society. There will always be a you and you yourself! It doesn't matter who the ship is or if there's a real ship; the only thing that should be our concern is to support their music and who they are. They won't make genuine music if they can't be themselves.
It'd be ironic if they talk about speak yourself but still can't to do that IRL 😢
@@moonbathingrite That surely wouldn't be their cup of tea! 🖒❤
I'm new to #BTS but as a mother you can tell there are feelings for another. I will support who ever it is but I do hope it is #Jungkook and #Jin. Let the person come out on their own, you love who you Love.If this person makes you happy and good about yourself , so be it. I will support them and be happy they found someone to Love and who will Love them in return. Love, support and acceptance is what they need from A.R.M.Y , I hope A.R.M.Y come through for them. LOVE always for #BTS
I really loved ur video.. shipping for fun and accepting the reality are two different things and many people won't like it when their "favorite ship" is not real.. its about their life and it is a serious thing.. coming out will be very difficult for them and if any of the members is gay its not really necessary that their partner in one of the members also.. ur video is very informative and i think it will help the viewers to understand the members better coz at the end its about the members' life not us fans and our support would really mean so much to them. 💜
I'm so relieved to see a comment like yours because I feel like a lot of people missing the point and it makes me sad. Even if my channel is a soft shipping channel, I understand the boundaries and I'll accept the truth, any truth, with an open mind. Their happiness is way more important than what we believe.
Well said 👏
Well. Really good video that explains things in context of reality rather than fans hoping and shipping who they like to pair up. In my opinion as it's better if they don't reveal things because of any kind of environmental pressure. They can surely be open about themselves and real fans should support them. But considering how south Korea reacts to these and how "maybe" a majority of fans might react to it might not be good. Also .. there's also taking into consideration the decision as members of a group and not individuals.
But above all I love them all as they are and for who they are and I hope they receive all the love for being themselves and not falling prey to unhealthy amount of expectations. :)
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They are human only. So love can happen with anyone.. Jinkook 😍😘
this is so thoughtful and a smart video essay. i appreciate all the effort you’ve done in your videos. they’re clean, easy to watch and all
high quality.
Thank you for noticing the small things that I put on the video 💜
True ARMYs will always support them no matter what. I too hope if any of them come out as a couple, it should be by their choice & not due to anything else. I am worried abt the tarot artist’s 1st prediction as well abt a member becoming depressed. Hope that doesn’t come true!🤞🏼💜
Honestly, after i saw that clips, Jin is the one that pop on my mind, remember the song ABYSS and his reason why he wrote that songs, he suffer from anxiety and depression, and he said he already overcome it, but i am not sure if he really overcone on that 100%, because this past interviews and some awards shows, his not on his usual self, or maybe he really tired only, i don't know
@@msbirthmarkmasters6217 I thought abt Jin too. It will take time for him to completely overcome it. Healing process is gradual. But they have each other so that gives me hope that they will be happy in the end with each other’s support.
@@bhagyabhat11 yeah, i know the others will always be there foe their Jin hyung, and i keep on praying that he overcome it and pass it immediately🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Your channel is take another different angle of Jinkook,thanks for your effort,support,and love to Jinkook
Divination puts forth the most probable situation from the point of time it is done. Time changes and so do the many variables involved in predictions.
I haven’t seen it mentioned much so I wanted to note that maknae Jungkook was chosen as People magazine’s very first International Sexiest Man of the Year. Italy also included Jungkook on their list of sexiest men. He’s not a baby any more.
Thank you for your in-depth explanations.
Yes, divination is...tricky. When we read for ourselves, we can consciously weigh our decision and take control of our actions. The purpose is clear but I don't get it when people do specific readings about BTS future spouse, twin flame, etc. General yearly prediction is okay for me, but personal things like those are none of our business since it'll bring more disadvantages (ex. people speculating non-stop, people taking opinions as facts) than advantages.
It won't be a surprise to me any time Jin & Jk go public that they are a couple. However, It won't be a surprise either if they confirm that they are nothing more than close friends, even after all I've witnessed. When I think about the weight of life as a lgbtq for such high profile public figure in south korea, it seems nearly impossible to happen. Either way I'll always support who and what makes them happy, even if it's a girlfriend. 💜
Yesss 💕
%100 Agree
What a deep video that taps into the real social issue/stigma. It’s wonderful.
the ones commenting ''xx is real'' or ''x and x sus'' obviously don't care about what this video is even about. y'all only care about proving your ship is ''real'' and tbh if you really just love the people in your ship as they are and support them with zero selfish agenda and not for your ego, y'all wouldn't feel the need to comment those. stop projecting what YOU want instead of what THEY want
You're right, that's why I decided to make it unlisted. I feel that too many people miss the point and keeping it public will only spread rumours.
@@moonbathingrite i respect your decision and as a fan of your content, i feel comfortable watching your videos knowing that you're respectful. jnkk community on yt(on other social platforms too but it's more noticeable here) grew a lot during this year. there are a couple new channels that i feel uncomfortable with and yours is one of the few that, i feel, have maturity. it's also really nice that you put a lot of effort behind your videos and make them beautiful. thank you for great content!
@@ggukiedoll7273 I notice that too. All the creators that I often watch are currently inactive, so I don't watch any Jinkook videos these days. No worries though, we never lack real moments haha.
Support the person who makes a move in January. Love all 7. 💜
What’s happening in January?
Ily for making my day with uploading jinkook content😭❤❤❤
This one's a bit different though
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everyone who thinks that taekook, jikook, namjin etc are real should stop watching those delusional "analysis" videos, just bc theyre looking at each other for more than 2 seconds or are flirting jokingly doesnt mean that theyre dating (+In the soop confirmed that taekook isnt real)... i can see one or more members being queer in bts, but i have my doubts about the members dating each other... im a jinkooker and they have many moments which are kinda wtf to me but whatever their relationship is, i truly love them bc they make me really jealous of their friendship. its such a strong relationship between them. thank you for making this video, i wish i could send this to everyone who wants their ship to be revealed by dispatch! im so happy that we have a great jinkook channel without delusional theories 😭 and your fanfic is one of my favourite its so so well written i really enjoyed reading it:)
Thank you for reading my fic!! IKR most shipping videos focus too much on skinship, but I want to show the connection on my channel. That way, whether they're real or not, in a relationship or not, it doesn't matter. Besides, it's not my territory to prove or reveal something like that. The label is never the goal, I just want people to appreciate their bond more.
i'm a jikooker and i agree with you 100%. i genuinely can't stand seeing over analyzed theories that come out of nowhere, they make me feel kinda sick. and yes!! only because they look at each other or hug it doesn't mean they're together romantically and it DOESN'T mean the other person involved in the ship is jealous (at least not all the time). whatever or whomever they decide to do or be with is none of my concern. all i can do is support them unconditionally.
every single rumor I've seen has said if there is a couple it's an unpopular ship, so it wouldn't be any of the popular ships like taekook, yoonmin, namjin, jikook, etc.
Years ago, I watched a video (now deleted), this person quite same with Mhoni Vidente, an indigo & using tarot as their medium. Some of their predictions was really happened, and in a couple of videos they read about bts members -onebyone- by request (they claimed they are not a kpop fans & totally doesn't know bts at all). They said about Jk & it happened (you mentioned it in the video). One that caught me, they said behind the scene Jin -not only from girls but- got so many love calls from guys. It varied from idols to ceo or actor, but currently he is "tied" to someone else. The tarot reader couldn't elaborate more (including what "tied" means) because it hidden deep inside. And now, the other tarot reader said something similar (although she does not said the name), but... I have my own (objective) thoughts that it might be Jin & Jk, but... idk.
Anyway, personal opinion, If they say there are a queer in bangtan, I can't help to agree. Looking at from their lyrics and music -universal love- logically speaking, they can't reach that level of understanding about universal love IF they can't experience it themselves. I'm not queer myself but I was surrounded with queers and we always have a deep conversation about lgbtq. When they listening to bts music, they really amazed with the message bts give that lead to asked whether there are a queer in bangtan. And I agree, coming out is not something easy. Some people I closely know even had a depression admitted their sexuality & coming out to their family, this make me think does the point 1 related to the point 3? Who knows. One thing for sure, whatever happens with their personal life its not ours to meddle. We can only keep supporting them and wish for their happiness :)
Really? It’s interesting coz J also got so many flowers on Valentine’s Day in all boys school. I mean, in real life, what kind of charm does he has to be so damn attractive to all genders?
But yes. Agree 100% that their lyrics deliver to another level.. I consider my self as bi but I never come out in real life and I’m even married now with kids. I enjoyed their music but when I found out the lyrics (and translate it) it’s just so different. If feels like I’m being reminded to the feelings that I used to know...
sorry I’m not even able to explain it but yeah I hope u get my point
@@mrss670 Yes, I saw that interview when he talk about valentine in his all boys school.
Btw, beside Jinkook, to be honest I also think about Jimin and Taehyung. Not like Jungkook and Jin, both Jimin and Taehyung are quite 'open' about their fondness and attachment to each other.
Brooo I heard abt that too.. I followed some insider acc and they said so many actors /actress and celeb chasing him/have a crush on him behind the scene.. he's quite popular between actors/actress
Who's that reader?
@@whatisyourproblem3794 omg do you have a link o something? 😳and also Jin is really lovable so i get it ☺️
For me, it is ok if they don't have to come out of the closet, as long that they are together and continue loving each other.
Gender is not something that can define a person, everyone just needs to treat each other equally, we all deserve to be loved and to love. Even though sometimes, true love comes from an unexpected places and people.
I will support them whatever will be their choices in the future. And like you've said on your other video "YOU DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH THE GENDER, YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH THE PERSON" and i love JINKOOK for who they are and not for what they are☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
Agree with you sis for their own safety...maybe soon....well time will tell....
@@littleprincejeon8285 kaya nga, para na rin makaiwas sila sa judgmental society, lalo na yung mga haters at bashers
@@msbirthmarkmasters6217 natatakot ako para sa kanila a totoo lang sis mas mabuti nq yung ganito nalang muna minsan iniisip ko rin di kaya related din to kaya dumaan si Jin sa anxiety....anong sa palagay mo sis?
@@littleprincejeon8285 oo parehas tayo, ganyan din naiisip ko kung bakit naging ganon ang nangyari kay Jin, lalo na don sa point na kinikwestyon nya kung deserve nya ba lahat ng natatanggap nya, lalo na naka receive na sila nung MERIT ba yon na parang HALL OF FAME kumbaga sa bansa nila, sa edad nila sila yung pinakabata na nakatanggap non, syempre iniisip ni Jin na hindi nya deserve lahat ng yon dahil nga siguro sa nararamdaman nya, kaya ok na din ako sa ngayon na sitwasyon nila na kahit huwag sila umamin kung may aaminin man, basta lagi silang masaya at magkasama, masaya na ako don at kontento na ako
@@msbirthmarkmasters6217 nakakalungkot talaga...maybe in the future or after ng enlistment nila....at dyan nqrin malalaman kung sino tlaga ang totoong fans...wish ko lang maging okay ang lahat pag nangyari yon.....
I totally support all of them , for I am a mother of three beautiful daughters , one is straight , one is bisexual and one is non- binary , and my oldest granddaughter is a lesbian , no matter what I love them unconditionally and support them in their life choices , it is such a shame for any one who has to hide it and not be able to show and love openly , so I wish for all the members of BTS to be happy with their life choice and not be ashamed of it , be proud and enlighten your soul with all the love 💜💜
Thank you so much for being a wonderful parent to your kids! They must be very lucky to have you and I love the diversity in your family. I think your house must be so warm and full of love 💜
Love is something that no one can control if they're are dating I support them too
@Moonbathingrite, excellent video! Thank you.
It is four days post 2022 Grammys and there are a number of YT clips that seem to indicate the duo has thrown caution to the wind and are openly holding hands.JK looks very challengingly toward the cameras. Good for them! Best of luck with their decision.
We are only humans afterall, we all deserve to love and be loved. Whenever they wish to come out of closet, I would respect their decision. And would accept them with open arms, even if they don’t plan to, I hope they live a happy life and I will keep rooting for them nonetheless.
Thank you so much for this video it's really amazing♡....that was true not all man/boy who falls with same sex are gay some are straight maybe they're just develop their feelings especially when they have been together for a long time....but some people are disgusted about being gay....they didn't accept it...this is one thing that i been worried about....(hello they are still human so you should respect them it is not their fault if they are like that and they didn't chose it too...)but if ever all of this is real well...i will still loving and supporting them till the end...
Actually, there's a distinction between romantic attraction and sexual attraction, so yes, it could also be like that or they repressed it. There are so many possibilities just because in almost 2021 we still don't accept that 😪
I literally got goosebumb. I love it so much. I also agree with u about the possibility of when they'll be coming out (if they want to). Almost impossible for if they are coming out before the enlistment and when they are still on top. To much at stake.
Thank you for this. Borahae. 💜💜💜
#jinkookisreal
Yes, almost like career suicide, I guess? It happened to Hong Seokchon and he was fired immediately from the TV station. That's why her prediction makes me anxious because IF it's true I'm afraid that it'll be because of other parties...
@@moonbathingrite ikr. I almost think that i dont want them to come out, ever. Become a kpop idol is scary. The pressure from the fans is out of this world. If what she said is true then i hope it won't blew up until they are in the safe level. Finger cross.
@@moonbathingrite Fyi- Here in America, "gay" sounds prettier/more loving than "queer" + also prefer saying "boyfriends" over saying "lovers" -which is thought of as having a secret lover (cheating on the side)..Whether any are gay/bi, etc or if they're all straight, I'd support them 200%,..
They've grinded for so many years, given us such great music, shared of themselves, since teens, to give us such joy, hope they're happy + feel cherished with whoever they end up with (since I can't have Jimin anyway, lol)😢😆💜
Immediately click on like button when seeing academic article to support your opinion in this video. Nice work.
I work in academics haha that's why I'm obsessed with referencing everything, even if it's just a simple video.
In my opinion I think its jinkook, many people see them as brotherly relationship but it's not. I respect other ships too. But I believe jinkook may be real.
but i think thy see each oher really as brother who is bestfriend..and they are my favourite duo..but i dont they more or less than bstfriend
@@seherinprapty8654 I literally said on my video, don't turn this into a ship war 😭
@@moonbathingrite dude i really support jinkook..i want it too..but i guess its not possible..i wait everytime just for jinkook video..i ignore all other ships but u know ..i guess its our bad luck its not gonna happen
@@seherinprapty8654 Oh sorry, I was just being very cautious...
@@moonbathingrite chill..lets keep fighting and supporting and loving them
When I first saw the title, I was a little irked but you've put all your points so well. Everything you said has been balanced with a counter argument or a different perspective. Thank you for sharing.
NGL that irks me too hahaha. But we shall return the proper use of a clickbait. If the title is too serious I think I won't reach my target audience who needs to hear it.
Having such a huge global support can be seen as the biggest strength of BTS, but some people may also see it as a political threat. I’m sure BTS fans will unconditionally support them in everything, and that they will bring about a change in a way only they can. Thank you so much for this essay, I am a supporter of love, however or with whomever it might be experienced, and I feel that in the end, love always wins. Whether people decide to stay closetted or come out, nobody can stop anyone from experiencing love, and finding their soulmate, whoever it may be. That said, I completely understand the hardships queer people would have to go through, to be accepted for who they are. If they decide to stay hidden, it is completely their choice and should
be respected.
I didn't realise that I was not able to comment on this video when it's such a good piece. 2021 isn't over yet, so we are not sure whether Mhoni Vidente's prediction will still come to pass. One already did, which is about one of the members becoming depressed. Jin openly talked about that. And maybe RM for president of S. Korea one day? Who knows? It just might come to pass. Now, the couple openly admitting to dating themselves -- while personally I want it to be JinKook, I am afraid for them and don't want them to admit it now. Maybe later after their contract and military service. I am afraid that something might happen to them if they admit it now. If and when they decide to live openly together, they can move to Canada, or the Netherlands, or the Scandinavian countries, or anywhere else where gay marriages are accepted. My family and I were having dinner in Sweden once and at the next table was a gay couple and I swear they were so in love and no one was bothering them. I want that for JinKook. Thanks, Q, for this video. I wasn't able to comment earlier and I am doing it now although I have watched this before when you first dropped it. Love your videos to the moon and back, and I love how you are asking people to stop gay-sifying the boys if they are not serious about support towards the LGBTIQA community. I insist on including 'intersex" and "asexual" because they are glossed over by many. Borahae 💜
The first point is more than depression though. I didn't mention it in the video but a subscriber was kind enough to translate it for me. The prediction said that it'll also be related to substance abuse as the coping mechanism. That's the main point. Probably weed since it's illegal in South Korea and many artists got into trouble because of that.
That being said, it's May now while she mentioned that the gay couple prediction will happen in the beginning of the year. So, hopefully nothing bad will come true! I think the military is the biggest hurdle, at least for now since it's time for them to enlist. I hope later when the time is right, they can be "selfish" for their own happiness and do whatever they want, like moving to an LGBT friendly country. All we can do is hope for the best!
I'm thinking of making another video about queerbaiting in K-Pop because I feel that the industry itself "endorses" fans' fantasy yet at the same time is still trapped in an internalised homophobia. That's reflected in the "shipping" narrative.
@@moonbathingrite please do! I think we need to have that conversation going because the hypocrisy needs to be called out. The shipping narrative is becoming too much for my sensibilities, tbh. I am not 12, or 16, or 18, or 25. I am a cisgendered mature woman at the prime of my life and what the fans are "demanding" from them are tasteless and emotionally damaging to the artists. Why can't we appreciate their music and what they stand for instead of fawning over every look, and every touch that they do to one another. When I see some clips (why do I even bother to watch them?) on my IG about jealous so-and-so, my eyes roll so much at the back of my head that I am afraid it is never coming back into focus! And let's talk about weed...my favorite herb. It's legal where I officially live. When Governments begin to decriminalise drugs, that's when good things happen. Case in point, Portugal. But let's reserve that discussion for another time.
PS You wrote chapter 3 of CB!!!!! I can't wait to read it whilst having tea!
I loved this video, and I loved your comment. I feel the same way but you expressed in the best words! Bless you!
“Namjoon and his love for his bonsai are the purest” where’s the lie tho? 🥺😂
He looks at his bonsai like it's his own child 🥺
u have voiced out my anxiety about this. now im crying
I was a teakook and namjin shipper before and it's quite funny when these predictions about the real couple happened every teakookers were like omg if they come out, I will be the happiest person in the world but jinkookers are like I don't want them to come out or whatever their relationship is, I will support them forever I think jinkookers are more mature than teakookers 🤭
Interesting, right? That every ship attracts different kinds of people. It should be the default response, though, when we're genuinely more concerned about their happiness than us being right.
No creo q ser más maduras sea la palabra sino q hemos visto como se ha ido formando y cuan profundo son los sentimientos q hay en ellos, sus batallas interiores sus depresiones sus gritos de rebeldía, su tristeza su llanto…sea cual sea su verdad q ellos la digan o se callen no tenemos derecho a juzgar …solo observarlos y apoyarlos en la decisión q tomen y como decidan vivir… el amor es amor
Totally agree with you buddy
If there ever was a couple, there’s no doubt it’d be Jinkook. 2020 was truly Jinkooks era, especially with how JK keeps getting more and more bold in public nowadays. It’s almost like he’s telling the fans that Jin is his? They are almost always together & touching (mostly JK) in interviews & appearances. Sadly I doubt they would ever come out anytime soon.
yesSsss
Same here.
totally agree! jin is slowly showing his affection to jungkook out to the public like in the recent grammy nomination v-live, he said out of nowhere, “i love you” to jungkook 3 times. almost like a habit and jungkook looked kinda shy afterwards. but these are just my thoughts
If ever happen i will still support and loving them till the end.....
The reveal will most likely happen after the enlistment
I love different ships but I'm not sure how I'll react if it didn't turn out the way i imagined ....but if i can't support them to that extent I'll just keep quiet ...what happens in their personal life will not be my territory .....of course I'll support BTS as a music lover as one of them is my ultimate crush Jinnie 💜✨ if i can't say anything good i swear I'll never say bad .....
**Thank u my perspective really changed in a good way ( ◜‿◝ )♡ after this video**
Thank you for still watching my video! I hope everyone could have this mindset, no matter who they ship. Deep down we have to be wise enough to admit this fact.
Agreed. I mean their music what got me hooked. They speak to me through music and I doubt it's gonna change with someone coming out.
love ur videos-!!! jinkooker, vhopist, and yoonminist here, but sure. u r truly right. namjoon and his love for his bonsai is the purest 😚💫
Thank u..my perspective had changed in a good way after watching ur video ❤
Great video! I appreciate your insight and opinion as I find it very relatable! Bravo!
(also people, if you're ARMY, then be true ARMY, and love all the members, period...just bc you have a bias doesn't mean the other members matter less... remember, your bias loves those other 6 members most in this world and by saying hurtful things about the others, you're also hurting your bias, just food for thought.)
Thank you so much for the christmas gift, i wish i can give you a big hug and kisses now, because your video bring a big smile to me and how happy I am now😄😄😄, i wish time will run fast because I still have 30minutes before my break, so it means , i haven't watch it yet🤣🤣🤣, again thank you so much, and ADVANCE MERRY CHRISTMAS, STAY SAFE, BORAHAE
THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT JINKOOKERS ALSO, ASIDE FROM BEING RESPECTFUL AND OPEN MINDED, THE COMMENTS SECTIONS BECAME AN ESSAY SECTIONS, AND I AM LOVING IT, STAY SAFE ALWAYS FAM, FIGHTING, BORAHAE
This is also what I'm afraid of. If one of the shipper does exist, I'm afraid that if they admit it all will change. I'm afraid that they will get a lot of pressure from various parties. because it is certain that there will be more who reject than accept. not necessarily the fans will be by their side either. I too fear for their safety. both from haters and from depression. so somehow I just want all of this to be a delusion.
Thank you for interesting essay, excellent like your previous productions. 👍 I totally agree with your concept of supporting and accepting them doesn't matter they decide to come out or not. Acceptance should be unconditional. Personally, I think there is a very little chance, that we will hear about it this year. Given to the the circumstances, it would be safer and wiser to do so after the military service and the end of their contract. However, 7 months left till the end of this year and everything can happen.💜
I think the concept that most straight people don't understand is that coming out is a personal thing. We _can't_ and _shouldn't_ out them. If they don't want to, it's perfectly fine. That's the reason I try to be neutral in my videos because all we can do so far is appreciating their bond ☺️
@@moonbathingrite Exactly, this is personal thing, and we can be just discreet observers and supporters. 👍 Anyway, I have planned to watch your last essay about Queerbaiting this evening and am curious about your point of view. 💜
I have been watching some of your clips but today after this video I'm subscribing to you. Y?
Your general outlook coincides with mine. No one should make the 7 to do anything they are not comfortable doing. They do because they want to. I'm okay with anything they do as long as they don't harm themselves or other members. They are individuals like us and have every right to live their life just like us.
I love them all the way they are... And it really doesn't matter what there love choices are... I support them to the moon and black.... and I just wish no matter what they find soulmates and live happily ever after.... They just get happiness because they gone through alot.... I just pray for them... 🙏💜💜
Wonderful video. I hope people will grow and evolve their thinking and know love is love, you shouldn’t judge someone because of who they love. I doubt any of the BTS member will come out until society is more tolerant of people. On a side note, I believe in VMIN and JINKOOK relationship to be more than platonic and I love them very much and wish them lifelong happiness.
I think before their debut they're all straight...but after living together, growing together overcoming hardships and success together, some of them got confused of their own sexuality
Agreed, you can see some slight behaviours from some members in 2017-2018, but I started to get some heavy vibes from Tae & JK in 2019-2020. I don’t think they are attracted to one another, but I’ve started to notice how they behave towards another member.
I want to share my experience if you don't mind. It's not that people used to be straight, but they could also be repressing it because of heteronormativity. As they mature, meeting different kinds of people, witnessing various kinds of love, they learn (or in this case I learn) that there's a different identity that fits me best. I finally accepted that I'm pan during my 20s. It's late, but if I re-evaluate myself, I always have that view on love and people but I don't know how to label it. Yes, it could be confusing, but so does the process of discovering yourself. The most important thing is we get through the journey 💜
that is the thing, many people were saying why is their ideal type describing women. Like everything was said almost 5-6 years ago.....it must have changed and now 2 of them might be bi or gays🤗
@@tq_sv I also think it's because the interviewer specifically asks about a girl. But if they describing a personality (ex. Jin always said that he likes someone who can cook), it still fits both genders. Or when Namjoon and Yoongi said that they care about the atmosphere/vibes rather than physical appearance.
@@fayfey8458 is the member Jin? Between V & Jk, the more aggressive is V but I noticed Jin is somewhat partial to Jk.
thanks for the video. I'm sorry but I lol-ed so hard at the 'tarot card reader /psychic from Cuba' 😂 ok do people really believe her predictions about a bunch of boys she doesn't know who live on the other side of the world?
that being said, it's an open secret among kpop insiders that there is a gay couple in the industry within the same group which is a very famous group. but dispatch has also stated before that they will never reveal who this couple is to protect them as Korea is still very conservative
Lol me too, but that doesn't stop me from being cautious because I don't want them to have a hard time. But it's already May now, so...
U really said "in this essay i will" and proceeded to make this video lmao i love it
I respect all but also love bts dating two member its not my priority bec. they have thier own life decisions and choice in life im here as a fan...a fan who alwys suppur5 their idols
I love this essay😍😍
I saw the unpopular ship and being from maknae line and hyung line thing a while ago and my mind immediately went to vhope, I fell deep down the vhope rabbit hole about 2 years ago and I'm still sometimes convinced even though I don't ship like that anymore bc I feel it's not my place to make those assumptions about people I don't know.
I think it is either Jin, Jungkook, Jimin, Yoongi or Taehyung.....whoever is the couple I will support them and shower them with LOVE they deserve. They can change the idea of gays around the world and also Korea. Not being racist or anything but Korea is a very judging and toxic. That country is very much advanced in tech but are hella orthodox. They can help people realize that being gay is not bad or a crime.
True, that's my point with being a developed country. You can't be extremely advanced in technology and other external things yet maintaining the people to be conservative. It doesn't match and I think it won't work in the future.
@@moonbathingrite obviously honey, this generation is not gonna follow their parents footsteps. There is SOOOOO much which is gonna change......for instance arrange marriage won't exist or will exist in a small percentage, and then number of gay and lesbian marriages will increase. And I will let my future child marry whoever they want (like after knowing some stuff hahaha) or let him/her be gay, lesbian or bi cause we all are evolving and new thing are gonna be introduced.....And bts can help 💜 that change.....after all the things they have changed around the WHOLE world. I'm proud😌
@@tq_sv wow! Very well said💜💕agreed
@@littleprincejeon8285 aww thank you🥺💜
@@tunaman5712 maybe, we never know.....but my personal opinion is yoonmin
I wish they can lead their life happily
They didn't deserve any hate
I am worried not because any two are dating but the amount of hate they will get if they reveal their relationship😔😔
That's my concern too. We can't deny the fact that shipping in K-Pop is a part that makes the fandom alive, yet at the same time, it can also bring so much chaos. I hope all can sincerely wish them to be happy despite everything.
TBH,I just watched the beginning,I love this video so much!!!!My ship is real I believe it since the first time I saw their behaviors...
Your contents are really good🤍 i just want all my boys to be happy.. Esp. jinkook💜 i will support these angels no matter what😊
Yes, the opportunity for a change 💗
Omg this is so well done!!!!!!!!! You're super well spoken and you touched the topic with so much sensitivity! I love it. Thank you! this is super informative as well! Aahhh!!!
Despite it all... I just wanna say I love your intakes on things and I love all ur vids~
Really dont mind if some of them are gay as long as they are good people. Loved them for being so talented and creative. If they decide to come out in the future, i will still support BTS and other idols/artists.
Thank you! It doesn't have to change anything tbh, they're still amazing artists & human beings 😊
"What if your ship is real?!"
*Me: gurlll "if"??! my ship is more real then my parents 30 years of marriage.*
Really well said 👍💜 love your video
I love this video!
Seokjin For me stay the best and I'm a big fan of Indonesia
Very well said. Thank you.
First of all, great work! You’ve created an exceptional video. I’d like to thank you that you were discussing all those things in a real-life, not “fluffy” way as some may want to see.
In full honesty I think “coming out" for an idol right now will either be met with a complete denial or huge harsh attacks. Korean society is still very conservative. Idols are CONSIDERED straight by the public, because heterosexuality is deemed as the norm. On the other hand it’s quite likely there are a number of non-straight people in the SK entertainment industry who have to maintain their careers while remain closeted.
BTS are seen as sympathetic to LGBTQ rights, although there is no official statement of support for obvious reasons, yet, but they did show it clearly with their actions multiple times. Jin himself said that he had attended GP in Chicago and liked the event.
You hit the nail on the head when you separated Bang Si-hyuk persona from the BH company. He undoubtedly condoles as an individual but it’s a business where currently everything surrounding BTS simply works and makes money and more money. Big Hit surpassed the big-3 in the industry.
For all boys it’s much safer and wiser to continue making money and at the same time gaining greater power within the society they may wish to change in the future.
Sexuality is complex and personal. Absolutely no one should be ashamed or threatened because of the type of person they are or are not attracted to.
Wow i love this post very much❤❤❤
In my opinion I think the one who will have a trouble to express himself and leads to depression is taehyung
So I watched whole video, I know I'm 1.5 month late but it still give me goosebumps. I know that dispatch didn't reveal anything about BTS though if they come out many people don't accept them. There are 3 reasons for them:(1)they like their idol romantically (2)they don't wanna accept that their idol may be homosexual or bisexual.(3)their ship is proven wrong because of who comes out as a real couple
I hope that they will never come out as there are so many hardships if they do so, but who knows they can able to change people's perspectives towards lgbt community.
Everyone things that jk is most loved one by us but sometime it's also true that he is the most hated by some people when it comes to scandals especially that tattoo artist one.(thoungh in my point of view love someone is not considered as scandel). Its actually heartbreaking that jk even say sorry for that in bv4.
And its also true that jk is shipped with almost all the members and also with female idols. And that's the reason why he is not much active on social media. May be he is using it but not posting anything.
Jk is grown up man now. We always miss that cute little bunny but isn't it true that we also change with time. I wish he does the thing whatever he wants to do not those things what we armys want.
Our maknae become more and more stronger (physically and mentally both) day by day so I hope for the best.
I don't want them to get depressed but I know that if they got depressed then also they will become more stronger. 😘
If one day they come out with their boyfriend or girlfriend, we army will support them till the end, right? 💜
I’ll be happy if two members of bts are dating each other. I support the LGBT community and I love gay people. Let people date whoever they want. They’re human.
Looking forward to your comment especially if you understand Spanish and have experience with tarot/astrology too 💜 + channel update because I don't have the community tab.
1. I plan to release Ep.5 in Jan or early Feb because I need more confirmation first. Gidaryeo, gidaryeo~
2. If I make another video essay like this, what kind of topic would you like to discuss? I love the comment section on my videos so much, so I think it'll be interesting to create a space to discuss.
1. Take your time, I will wait for you to upload new videos, I'm sure that will be another amazing one.
2. How about comparing Jinkook with other ships? or about the members' reactions when Jinkook does something romantic? Whatever jinkook content you'll upload, I'll definitely like it! Fighting!! 💜
Hi! I mostly agreed with you and love how you did not push your opinion and are open for discussion ❤️ Even I mainly ship JinKook but I am still hoping the best for them whether they have romantic relationship or not, I just love how every member love each other. I also agree that if, as we still assume, two of the members come out, it would be very brave of them considering they live in a country that not support LGBT+ and they’re very popular kpop band who need to maintain their image. If they ever come out, I guess they will do it after the contract end, or at least after the military service. I am so worry about their safety. Anyway, I will always support them whatever their decision with their life, as a fans I think we really need to respect them as individual and human being. Hope they will always find happiness 💜
Aside from the predicament, I also watched some tarot reading about JinKook (just for fun hahaha) and one of them just mentioned how JK is very fond with Jin. Anyway, thank you for your hardwork coming up with this kind of video! It’s very enlighten and you just answer all my concerns and worries about them ❤️
It is ok , take your time, to tell you the truth I WAS BORN TO WAIT😊😊😊😊, i don't know if you would like to do the list that i want you to make on your next (coming) videos, but still, i will try to make a list:😊😊😊😊😊😊
1. Compilations when they are standing or sititng together, the space between the others, since 2013 and present
2. Compilations of JINKOOK pouting lips, when they are on cam, and even on some of their photos when they are side by side, because i also notice that, too
3. Compilations of how they are always aware to each other, like complimenting each other even though they are not on a conversations
4. Compilations of how they protect each other
5. Compilations of how they prioritize each other
I am sorry my list are very long, but it is ok if you can't do it, I will still wait for your beautiful videos of JINKOOK, thank you in advance, and advance Merry Christmas, stay safe, BORAHAE
It's okay...just take your time i can still wait and about the list amm...well any jinkook compilation i'm contented with it and advance merry christmas!😊🌲🌲🌲borahae💜💕
1. We will wait for epi 5. Enjoy the holidays
2. An interesting topic for me would be the practice of shipping, especially during concerts, shows, taped youtube content. How Korean TV and entertainment promote same sex ships and yet the society as a whole is not open to same sex relationships. And how shipping is painful to the real romantic relationships in the group. Thank you very much for the work you do.
Excelente video me encanto y el anterior me hizo llorar …
Everything you said, its all perfection! I think you should run for office alongside kim namjoon! Im so amazed of your eloquence. Im one of the guilty shipper who ship for fun ( namjin cuz of aesthetic reason only) i find jinkook, yoonmin and vope interesting especially jinkook based from all the videos that i have watched, you can see the deeper bond they share and love and respect for each other. but for now, i dont ship any of the pairs romantically until one of these pair confirmed that its true and official only then i will believe. Cuz i dont want to hurt myself assuming that my ship is real but the truth is not and im just delusional.
Yes, I think that's a very healthy way to approach shipping real people. I mean, they're not fictional characters whom we can push to be together in order to please us, the audiences. The reason I'm inactive from YT is that I find more people use shipping as an excuse to hate/diminish their relation to other BTS members (I mentioned it in the other video essays) and I don't want to encourage that.
i dont think it is not only about religion, but also confucian values of continuing your lineage, i got this insight from xiran youtube channel, but regarding jk and jin, well at least they have older brother, so the responsibility of continuing the lineage are off from their shoulders
Yes, you're right. Confucian values also play along though I think the younger generation starts to criticise things that are "wrong" from filial piety. Even if someone is gay, there's a chance that they'd marry for a facade or have some sort of arrangement sorted out. And when a person's is bi/pan, most likely they'd choose the easiest path.
What i want is for them to stop looking shock or offended when an international reporter ask them about dating. They should, by now, have a practiced answer.
Honestly, in my opinion, Jk and Jin looks like they are more than dating. These men look like they are more married than me who have been married for 20 years. I dont think JK is doing well in the closet either. He is hissing and clawing to show you who he loves. He has always been like that. I am from Jamaica where people have been killed for being gay, sadly. I have made the effort to grow my kids differently. They are young adults now and, greatfully they are not homophobic at all. If Jin and Jk are gonna face some of the shit i have seen, i would beg them to think about coming out very carefully. As their fan, i really dont want to see them get hurt.
Me too! At least they can say, "That's a personal question. We don't want to answer that," instead of repating the old lines about dating ARMY and being too busy to date. They have to prepare the fans for that fact instead of keeping them away from accepting it. And thank you so much for taking care of your kids differently! I wish I had parents like you.
Even if they are gay what difference does it make they are still humans underneath, they still got blood the same as everyone else’s running through their veins, who we love can’t always be decided by others, just because a man likes feminine things and ways doesn’t prove anything. I say leave them alone they are not effecting you, some gay people are some of the nicest you can meet.
I'm very confused about popular relationships. I don't believe BH will advertise gay people so openly. Everyone forgets that South Korea is not America or Europe, where they are under an unspoken ban. Whether we'll ever know the truth is a million-dollar question.
TBH to me that happens in the whole gay shipping discourse, they often forget the cultural context and in that case, they can't treat it the same with most heterosexual relationships. I could make this into a video essay on its own haha.
@@moonbathingrite I know a little about Tarot cards. they do not show exactly what kind of relationship they give options for action. they won't say whether you're gay or not, that's what matters. You don't know what the card game was?Did she show the cards? Maps can warn and give direction, in short, there are many nuances, you need to see the layout, which cards fell out.
BTS (and Big Hit) has been giving supports to many aspects of life in positive vibes, isn't it time for us to give them the biggest support ever ?
I truly wish.. But looking at how they transformed into HYBE I feel like I shouldn't expect too much. Someday I want idol to be able to be as oppenly supportive as Jessi in one of her Showterview episodes, instead of being vague.
@@moonbathingrite yeah, this Hybe thing is kind of worrying by means of they're going to be so into business. And.. as you may expect in business there will hardly be tolerance in many many things that might refer to a degrading denomination of the financial account , so.. yeah, we might never have the chance to witness a historical change that we dreamed of 🤐
So, yea yea yeaa we can still enjoy their music (..probably). Ughh, why do I sound so low??!! Nah. I'll keep my head straight up and if J.Kwon can do that why can't uri Jeonggukk and everyone of them do bigger! Jin has stated his pinky life style !💗😄🥰🥰🌈
Support them plz no matter what 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 (Namjoon 2021😂😁)
Plz plz plz! DOn’t come out. I don’t want they come out 😭😭😭
Big Hit isn't supportive of BTS being gay. He was supportive of other artists that aren't BTS but Bang PD wouldn't let Tae sing a christmas love song with Jimin because in his opinion it would be weird if it wasn't a woman. The idea that Big Hit and Bang PD are pro LGBT is laughable just because BTS themselves are supportive of it doesn't mean the company is.
Here's the correct translation. "This song… I wrote this song last Christmas. I wasn’t sure how to go about it, so I asked one of the composers, Adora, for help in writing and in recording. I originally intended to sing this with Jimin. But the producer said it might not work for two guys to sing it. Like the lyrics won’t fit…" -V, 2018 Vlive
Source: www.koreaboo.com/stories/bts-v-original-christmas-carol-hasnt-dropped-yet-already-armys-favorite-vlive-191214/
We can't say that a person, in this case, Adora, is homophobic because of a simple statement like this. As I said on the video, we have to differentiate between personal and company stance. For example, Adora might be supportive, but she's afraid that fans might take it the wrong way with all the shipping culture. There are many perspectives to look at a circumstance.
@@moonbathingrite That is def not the right translation, he mentions Pdogg in his vlive by name as the person that told him to go sing it with Adora instead and that's when he went spoke with Adora. Adora isn't the producer he's talking about. And this translation you posted is all out of order in the way he speaks of things. Koreaboo sometimes does TL;DR of things and parts of the dialogue can be lost that way twitter.com/taebokkiii/status/1341947647410622464
But at the end of the day it doesn't matter why the producer decided to say that the song will not fit two guys, it was said and that's enough to know that the company isn't the LGBT ally everyone wants them to be. We could speculate all day as to what was the reason why but the fact that it was said just means that they aren't willing to let the members be themselves.
@@hhd5369 You're also assuming, tho, when no one really knows each individual stance, in the company
This is random but can i know where are u from? Your voice is so caaaalllmmmm. Hehehe love it!
Thank you! Let's just say I'm from Asia 😊
No doubt it will be jinkook (?)
I don't believe in astrology, but I loved the video. Love all your videos! I speak spanish if you need some help, my english isn't great tho. Btw love your voice, where are you from?
Let's just say I'm from Asia 😊 I'll be very thankful if you want to help! Mostly I just want to make sure if what I mentioned in the video is accurate because I can't double-check it, so don't worry if translating it is too much. I link two of her videos on the description.
@@moonbathingrite May I DM on twitter? I think i follow you there, my user name it's the same
@@xuxajeon1033 Yes, please. I rarely open twitter, but I'll check it.
@@moonbathingrite I just send it
Every night still waiting for your new uploads. Jinkook are bolder now a days. Pls pls can you give us some of your inputs. Your my fave channel about them. I saw your name in some comments in IG and suddenly watched your videos with amazement. 🤗🤗🤗
It surprised me why everyone here is saying jinkook when the relationship between them doesn't look romantic but strong bond of two playful people.
If they fall in love with anybody is for us to love and support them more.jk can be gay but I don't think he can partner with jin.taejin bond looks suspicious more than jinkook
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone. So if you think Taejin are real, so be it while others or me thinks, Jin and jk have a deeper bond/ relationship based on what I see, then that is that. In reality though, nobody knows unless the members themselves will confirm...
There's a reason why everyone is saying Jinkook. Look closer.....Jin and JK are more than the one dimensional stereotype of Tom and Jerry. And if there is a BTS couple, it will be the one you least suspect.
as LGBTQ we know how hard its for us so think how hard it would be for them I'm happy with whatever they do i just want them to be happy if anyone comes out as LGBTQ it makes me afraid that what if they get hurt the world has not fully accepted LGBTQ not even their own country bts is worldwide famous now but seeing how much shipping is increasing feels like fans won't mind if they're? i didn't expected so many fans like and want ship to be real and korea is not accepted yet but i feel like maybe they will in future
10:22 What happened to jinkook at GDA red carpet?
On GDA red carpet, there are some photos and videos of them simultaneously touching each other's butt while walking down the red carpet. I put the photo on ep 2 of my series. On ISAC, it's not only the video that I put here but a video of Jungkook resting his hand on Jin's crotch.
@@moonbathingrite thanks!!
Jk having long hair because of Army only...in one of his live he said that he has no idea about his hair and asked army that how long he has to grow his hair and army said upto his cheek that's why now he has long hair..but rumors are spreading like in other way..what shit is this?
Well yes, it's like that on Twitter. Most people love JK's long hair, but there are also some who say that he looks too feminine or too pretty with the long hair. And in that interview when he cut his bangs, he's also aware that some prefer him to be cute. That's why I said it could be confusing especially if he tries to please everyone since everyone has different preferences anyway. Not all ARMY agree on the same thing, so he should do whatever he loves the most.
@@moonbathingrite of course he should follow his own heart..since as you said everyone have different perspective of views but because he loves army very much that's why he is doing for them.. Like even though he not like his hair tie up but after a live session where army told he is good with hair tie up so after that he follows that..this man who willing to do anything for army happiness getting these type of scandals....:(
I'm not really sure if it is jin or not because the other day the rumor came out that he said he wants to recreate kiss scene by pulling up the future girl if he meant jin can he pull jin up :)
Did he say that again? He's been saying that since Skool Luv Affair hahaha, re-enacting the scene in Love 911. Now he can lift anyone up easily.
@@moonbathingrite we stan strong guy😎
I respect all BTS members , but I really wish nobody is gay bc the amount of rejection and hating they will receive from public and knets will be insane. Even some of army’s will be hating them I even red many comments about if their ship isn’t real they will be hating on other couple .I don’t want anybody of them to get hurt . If they have a love life I wish they will keep it between them and people they love only , nobody need to know. Let’s all these people has endless predictions .
In all honesty, supressing yourself to stay closeted isn't the most ideal solution either though it may look peaceful from the outside. It's between facing external battle (hates, threats, shame, etc) versus enduring internal battle that might also damage them emotionally in the long run. For instance, an internal voice that says all the love they receive is a mere illusion for a version of them who were never real.
So, I wish they could do whatever they want and IF they somehow choose the coming out path, what a good riddance to have those "fans" go away. Fingers crossed many people will still support them, though they're not as loud today.
@@moonbathingrite hopefully they will be supported. I saw the hate that LGBTQ is facing form many people, even though the amount of acceptance of the society is better, there is still tons of people hating on LGBTQ community and since they are from Korea, I don’t know what will happens.BTS already receiving many love and hate as well from ignorant people.if someone come out I hope it will be his Choice without dispatch outing him.
The depressed one? V?
The nation leader? President Namjoon?
The couple? Jinkook?
They said someone who DOESN'T talk about his feelings, taehyung made a whole song abt depression and opened up about his feelings... So it is not him.. I think it is jhope, the joyful one but also the one that never talks abt his feelings
@@Viola-iq2rw or jimin, jimin seems off sometimes to me especially in 2021. /:
How come you concluded one from hyung line another one from younger one in the group? 🤔
I've always thought this too 1 hyung line/ 1 maknae but it was just based on my feelings from what I've watched. I would be interested to know how this conclusion was come to by the creator too.
I don't make any conclusion; it's what I read on the net. As I said on the video, it's a baseless assumption.
@@moonbathingrite Understood! It really could be any of them or none of them! I just go with my feeling's anyway. Unless they actually tell us (only if they even want to, they should never have to) I will just keep enjoying all this content the guys have been giving us cause I have been fed so good!! No matter what I/ARMY will support them!💜💜💜
Ships are not real. Ships are common in every single kpop group, it's part of the game and entertainment.
You're right 👍just because they show their love to each other doesn't mean they are relationship 🤦, sometimes company tells them to act like that yk
Exactamente, los ships no son reales... Pero sí hay parejas del mismo género en el K-pop... No lo digo yo, lo dice una ex-idol.
Que sea dentro de un mismo grupo?, no necesariamente.. Pero sí fuera del grupo.
Aquí está el link, ella fue idol del K-pop durante años en Crayon Pop. Ahora ella es UA-camr, los ships no son reales... Toda la razón, pero sí hay parejas reales del mismo género.
ua-cam.com/video/cEYa_-dTK3k/v-deo.html
Yes l think you are making a burden for BTS with this video. You said it yourself if people need to come out they must do it in their own time. People believe videos like this and become haters because of it. If they are gay or not so what, none of our business. I got the impression you wanted them to put their heads on the block to see what will happen. I say if they don’t want to talk about their sexuality then we respect and don’t talk about it. I am not a fan of BTS because of their sexuality, l am a fan because they are inclusive of everyone from all walks of life, young , old, gay straight, black ,white and everything in between.
As for being the ones to lead the way with their influence for Asian countries, two of the biggest China and Japan undermine BTS at every step, why would they feel the need to follow someone they are trying to bring down. It would be handing them ammunition to shoot them with. BTS are doing just fine , they choose wisely what they will stand up for and how they will do it. They support the gay communities and that should be enough, if they want to do more they will. Their choice not yours or mine. Stop trying to out them publicly, l know it would be a great story for you but have some respect for the guys and what they are achieving in the music industry.
If any of them turn out to be gay GREAT, if they are straight GREAT , anything else GREAT, it doesn’t matter. They were kids that grew into men , that have been through so much already, time for a bit of privacy and respect.
I don't think that you get the intention of the video. I already said the most important part on the conclusion. How could I give the members a burden when they didn't even see this video? That's just me trying to be hopeful after hearing the news. A consolation, looking at the bright side. I made this video not for BTS, but for the fans to help them understand the complexities of the situation if something like the prediction indeed happens. That scares me a lot imagining the fan wars or ship wars that could be created, so I made this video, contrary to your opinion, because I respect them. You get that impression because I speak from the what if scenario. Do I personally want them to come out? Of course not. That's a no brainer. Unless society changes.
Minkey Talk very well said... i completely agree with you....I feel sad that people are now questioning their sexuality because of their closeness. Different cultures have different ways of showing affection. I have watched many korean dramas and some things i noticed, feeding each other, giving piggybacks and pouring drinks for each other are signs of respect . Sitting like wearing a skirt is how they seat when they show respect, etcetc. So i just hope that videos or tarot predictions are not going to do harm to their closeness or put labels on them.
I have to come back again after watching other videos about this. It didn’t say hyung line and maknae line. It only said two members dating each other. Where do you get your sources from?
From people's comments. Notice what I said, it's a baseless assumption.
Ada yang bisa jelaskan???
Aku tidak ngerti tidak paham.. 🙏
Are you on twitter or ig?
I have both with the same username but never post anything on IG and only use Twitter for my fic archive
Wanted to dm u bout something,but your dms r not open,i cant say it here 😑
@@tinyjann3213 Oh, I just noticed that. I'm fixing my Twitter setting.
Check ur dm😊
very well said thank you for the video LOVE JINKOOK FOREVER