Wien Bridge Oscillator (using op-amp) Explained
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- In this video, the design and working principle of the Wein Bridge Oscillator has been explained.
By watching this video, you will learn the following topics.
0:26 Introduction to Wein Bridge Oscillator
2:31 Resonant frequency and the Oscillation criteria for the Wein Bridge Oscillator
5:07 Example: Design of Wein Bridge Oscillator
6:58 Derivation of frequency for the Wein Bridge Oscillator
The Wein Bridge Oscillator:
The Wein Bridge Oscillator is one of the RC oscillators which is used for the generation of sine waves in the range of audio frequency range.
In this Wein Bridge Oscillator, the RC network is used in the feedback for the generation of oscillation. The RC network acts like a notch filter and at only one frequency the phase shift offered by the feedback network is zero. As the feedback network provides the zero degree phase-shift, the amplifier should also provide the zero degree phase shift.
And when it is designed using the op-amp, then op-amp is used in the non-inverting configuration. (So that the [phase shift introduced by the amplifier is zero).
At the resonant frequency, the feedback fraction β is equal to 1/3.
And to sustained oscillation, the gain of the op-amp should be slightly more than 3. (i.e A should be greater than 3)
In Wein Bridge OScillator, the positive feedback is provided to the op-amp through the RC feedback network and there is a negative feedback to the op-amp through non-inverting configuration. It means in Wein bridge oscillator there is both positive and negative feedback.
If resistors R1= R2 and C1= C2 in the circuit then the resonant frequency f= 1/(2π RC)
And to achieve a gain of 3, R4/R3 should be equal to 2.
For practical design, the gain of op-amp should be slightly more than 3. (i.e R4/R3 should be more than 2).
In this video, the working principle of the oscillator is explained and the oscillator is designed for 10 kHz frequency.
And in the latter part of the video, the equation for the Wein Bridge Oscillator has been derived.
This video will be helpful to all the students of science and engineering in understanding the working and design of the Wein Bridge Oscillator.
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The timestamps for the different topics covered in the video:
0:26 Introduction to Wein Bridge Oscillator
2:31 Resonant frequency and the Oscillation criteria for the Wein Bridge Oscillator
5:07 Example: Design of Wein Bridge Oscillator
6:58 Derivation of frequency for the Wein Bridge Oscillator
Please give me physical explanation of wein bridge oscillator
First of all, I hope you understood the basic working principle of the oscillator. In the oscillator, there is no input. The noise acts like as an input. And the noise has all the frequency components, few Hz to even 100s of MHz. Out of all the frequency components, only one frequency is selected by the feedback circuit. (And that's why the feedback network is also known as the frequency selective feedback network). Which eventually gets amplified and we get the oscillation.
In wien bridge oscillator, the RC feedback network acts like a notch filter. So, it provides maximum output at only one particular frequency. If you look at the circuit, the output of the feedback circuit is given to the positive input terminal of the op-amp. (There is positive feedback).
And because of that, at one frequency, the oscillations will build up in the circuit. Also, there is a negative feedback in the circuit through the resistor R4, which is a part of the non-inverting op-amp.
So, this positive and negative feedback controls the loop gain. And by careful selection of the component we can get AB= 1 (Or for practical circuit, slightly more than 1).
I hope it will help you in understanding a bit more about the wien bridge oscillator.
Why you put j=-1?
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At 1:05
shouldn't the positions of R3 and R4 be exchanged
Because in the Wein bridge R4 is to ground and R3 is connected to output
And when I analysed Wien bridge oscillator using BJT I got R3/R4 = 2 (which is correct if R3is in feedbck path and R4 is grounded)
And not R4/R3=2 as in 4:46
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Very helpful video one must watch this to clear his doubts. My all doubts are cleared regarding Wein Bridge Oscillator. Great work ! Thank you
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If you actually build this circuit, you do need some kind of active gain control. If you try to use fixed values, it either goes into saturation, creating a square wave, or, there isn't enough gain, and it simply will not continue to oscillate. I've used a very small incandescent lamp as a non-linear resistance in series with R4, and if the amplitude goes too high, the bulb filament heats up, and it's resistance goes up. It produces a beautiful sine wave, but light bulbs are microphonic, and thermally massive, sometimes causing a "Bounce" in amplitude, then it finally stabilizes. It also causes distortion at very low frequencies.(below~5 Hz) because the filament can heat and cool in real time, as the wave crests, and crosses zero. I've seen other schemes that use parallelled diodes, cathode to anode, cathode to anode, where if the amplitude exceeds the forward voltage drop of the diodes, it clamps the amplitude. This is accomplished by dividing R4 into two resistors and putting the diodes in parallel with a low value of resistance, so that at amplitude, only ~.6 volts appears across it at set amplitude. If the output amplitude goes too high, the diodes begin conducting, effectively reducing the gain of the amplifier. Unlike the light bulb scheme, it works equally well at any frequency, even down below 1 Hz. It does cause a small compression in the wave form, but you can't see it on an oscilloscope. It shows up on a harmonic distortion meter.(less than 1% THD) you have to balance distortion with stability. the less influence the diodes have, the less distortion, the more, the better the stability.
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Amazing video man, thank you so much for explaining everything in detail from the roots up. Only mistake you made im pretty sure is you mixed up R3 and R4 around
In redrawing from bride model to op amp model R3 and R4 -> R3 must be feed back resistor in inverting op amp config
Yeah. They must interchange. R3 and R4
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One important thing everyone should notice he uses Vout/Vin in the smaller ckt which should be named Vf/Vout according to main ckt to avoid confusion.
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Can you please ans this
AB =1 ; where A is open loop gain then how can you write
A= 1+ R4/ R3 .
Isn't the above equation meant for closed Loop gain Of non inverting amplifier.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Sir, is there any mistake in R3 and R4 in wien bridge oscillator between original circuit and the equivalent circuit that you have drawn in the screen??
yes i am also having the same doubt
in the transformed ckt you put R4 connected to -ve input and output of OpAmp,but in the basic ckt R4 has one hand grounded and another one to -ve input of OpAmp. Kindly explain this.
Nice explaination
Thanks sir for such a great lecture
Sir, A=1+(R3/R4)
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2:50
Sir
How is it a notch filter
Isn't notch filter a band stop filter
And here this feedback RC network allows only a single frequency thus isn't this one a band pass filter rather than a notch filter??
Thank you
Thanks a lot. 0:57 R3 and R4 must be interchanged so the diagram be the same as in 0:59
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At 9:50 you had said that at resonant frequency the term 1-w^2R1R2C1C2=0 : but why?
Because at resonance, the circuit is purely resistive in nature and hence overall phase shift should be equal to zero. From that equation perspective, Vo/Vin will have zero phase shift when the first you mentioned is zero. I hope it will clear your doubt.
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In starting part of video when u re-draw the circuit in that instead of R3, R4 is ground and later when u separately drawn the feedback network in that parallel combination of RC is connected to vout instead of Vin.
Yes, instead of R3 it should have been R4. (The positions of R3 and R4 got interchanged). Rest is fine. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@ALLABOUTELECTRONICS what's about feedback network drawn separately..in that low parallel RC combination is connected connected to vout instead of Vin.
It's just for finding the transfer function. It has nothing to do with the circuit drawn earlier. The more appropriate notation would be Vout and V+. (I mean Vout as input and V+ as output).
But we are more familiar with the Vo and Vin. So, the same was used for deriving the transfer function.
I hope it will clear your doubt now.
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Sir why this Wien bridge oscillator generates only the sine waves. ? Could u please explain this Sir
If you have observed the circuit, the RC circuit in the feedback is frequency selective circuit. And acts like a notch filter.
So, it only allows a single frequency and rejects the remaining.
If you know the Fourier transform, a single frequency in the frequency domain represents the pure sinewave in the time domain.
For example, a triangular wave or square wave consists of multiple frequencies.
That's why this Wien bridge or any harmonic oscillator like RC phase shift oscillator or Colpitts oscillator generates the sine wave.
I hope it will clear your doubt.
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Thanks for the information. It is helpful.
Great presentation. I wounder if you could change R with L in the feedback and do the calculation. We should get better phase noise.
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There is mistake in low pass filter
no mistake see it again please
@@ephrembedhaso7741 yes there is small mistake
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first of all thank u so much it really helped me, but I have a question
why the ratio between the output and input voltages are 1/3?
From 7:00 onwards, I have explained the derivation for the same. You will get to know that, why it is 1/3.
R3 & R4 are misplaced in bridge circuit
yes
Yes
Right
can anyone explain to me why the RC section has a gain of 1/3? Many Thanks!
He explains at 10:52
What if the capacitor is replaced by inductor. Can you confirm the oscillation frequency is f =R/(2*pi*L)
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Nicely explained. I have a doubt though.. what's the magnitude of sinusoidal output voltage we get of win bridge how can we evaluate that?
The magnitude of the sine wave will depend on the Loop gain and the supply voltage.
Like I said earlier, for oscillations to build up, initially the gain A should be slightly more than 3. And once the oscillations build up then get gain should be reduced to 3.
To achieve that a tungsten lamp can be used as resistor R3.
Initially, it's value will be less than let's say R. And once the oscillation builds up then due to heating the value of R3 will slightly increase such that loop gain becomes 1.
Here too, the amplitude will depend on the supply voltages of the op-amp as well the op-amp itself.
By changing the supply voltages, the amplitude can be changed.
The other circuit to control the amplitude of the wien bridge oscillator is using the diode.
Where two diodes along with series resistor are used to control the amplitude of the output in the feedback. (In parallel with R4 resistor ).
Usually, the series resistor with the diode (Let's say R5) is approx. 10 times the value of R4.
And by controlling the gain of the Amplifier (either changing the value R3 or R4 slightly), the amplitude of the oscillation can be varied.
I hope it will clear your doubt.
I constructed the circuit with a +-15V supply voltage to op-amp and the output that i got was a sine wave whose amplitude I can vary from 24-27Vpp with nearly sustained output. Only thing that makes me wonder is that if the gain needs to be at 3 as beta is 1/3 I shouldn't have the freedom to change gain and if I change gain the effect of AB not =1 was not that much visible in the output range of 24-27Vpp.
I got your technique of how the oscillations will be built up, but theoretically can I prove the output will be close to supply voltage?
Also how the two diodes along with series resistor circuit will look like.. a bit confused can you put a picture with some explanation as in how the output voltage is controlled.
Thanks for your quick response. Awesome job you're doing!
24V- 27V peak to peak voltage is almost near the supply rail. I mean to say if 15V is supply voltage then the output would be restricted to around 12.5- 13V. And that seems so. See, even if AB goes slightly even above 1 then also you will get the same result, as output is near saturation to the supply voltage. But if AB goes below 1 then you may not observe the oscillations. You can try that by changing the gain of A.
Because in that case, oscillations will die out.
So, I would say, there is not much control for changing the amplitude in this circuit. (that would be visible in the second circuit using diodes which I was talking)
The only way it would be visible is by changing the supply voltages. Let's say, if you change the supply voltages to +-10 V. then the output would be limited to around 16-17Vpp.
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brother one thing is bothering me... can we interchange the terminals of feedback network??? eg you have connected series RC to output and parallel RC to non inverting terminal so can we connect series RC to non inverting input terminal of opamp and parallel RC to output of opamp?
If you have followed the video, then the feedback fraction Beta is 1/3 when the input is given at the series RC circuit and output is taken across the parallel RC circuit. If the order of these circuits is changed then we will not get the same transfer function. That's why it can't be changed.
I hope it will clear your doubt.
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Bit if we are designing this with 2 BJTs in 2 stage so that phase shift is 180+180=360
How will we design the BJT biasing circuits
We can design the components of the bridge by R3/R4 =2 and from frequency formula
But how to get A=3 if beta of BJT is like 100 each and Vcc something like 10v
Thank you
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In rc phase shift oscillator, why we will consider -jixc...can you please explain
Are you referring to Vo/Vin expression, Vo/Vin = R/(R - jXc) at 2:34 in RC phase shift oscillator video?
How is it that in the wein bridge oscillator the real part of impedance is equated to 0 but in the colpitt oscillator the imaginary part is equated to 0?
resonant frequency:w^2*R1*R2*C1*C2 = 1, may i ask why the equation works?
Hi, I’m newish to electronics so this may be really stupid, but what is J and w and how did you get the initial equations that you used. The rest of the maths was great and really easy to follow but I just don’t know how it started. Thanks
It's the reactance of the capacitor. It can be represented as 1/jwc.
where w is the frequency in radian. w= 2πf
The only mistake is just reverse R3,R4 positions in the first circuit diagram of we in bridge oscillator
You call the positive feedback network a notch filter, but a notch filter attenuates a specific frequency. Isn't it rather a narrow bandpass filter? Also you did not mention the issue of amplitude stabilisation important to this circuit. With just resistors for R3 and R4 the circuit will not have stable amplitude, possible solutions include an NTC element in place of R4 or a lamp (PTC) in place of R3, but there are other solutions. Otherwise great explanation.
Long time ago but you are quite correct....still !
If all the variables we keep constant and we change only the value of R3 how can the frequency will be affected,
Do make videos on feedback amplifiers also
can you kindly explain that in order to show the phase shift zero, why you had equated the real term in the denominator to zero ?
i too have the same doubt......
Very nice sir
What happens if the gain
𝐵𝐴>1 instead of 𝐵𝐴=1
What kind of signal will I get at the output vout?
Is it still called a Wien Bridge?
Square wave
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Sir if you can say what are the advantages and disadvantages then it should be more efficient
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Yes, will keep that in mind in the future videos
Nice explanation....
But can you please tell me why there is no phase shift at only (( f=1/2πRC)) in non mathematical way?
This is in ideal form
if I have a previous circuit that uses photocell as a voltage divider, where should I connect that voltage on the oscillator, the positive power source? or negative input?
It if is designed using the op-amp, then some op-amp requires both positive and negative power supply, while some required only positive power supply. If it is single power supply op-amp, then you can apply it it positive power supply.
what is the highest frequency you can design the wien bridge for and what type of wave does it produce?
As long as you use ONLY solid state devices you can't get very high frequencies, no matter design or configuration, this is why a crystal is so necessary, in order to reach freqs of several hundred thousands and much higher. If you design an oscillator for, let's say, 0.5 Mhz using solid state only, you'll get it work but it will be unstable. In fact, the highr freq. the less reliable.
Could u plz explain the math derivation after sub of z1&z2
May I know exactly what you didn't understand in the derivation.
In this derivation, the output of the op-amp is actually input to the feedback circuit (Vin). And the output of the feedback circuit (Vout) is going as input to the non-inverting terminal of the op-amp.
So, transfer function Vout/Vin is found to get the amplitude and phase of the feedback circuit.
@@ALLABOUTELECTRONICS @8.37 after u substitute the values of z2/z1+z2 plz explain the math derivation
Using LCM the equation has been simplified.
Thanks sir
Thanks
how did u convert diagram from bridge to non bridged
Sir can you tell me why does the wein bridge oscillator Will not work when we don't supply any input voltage
Do you mean to say why it will not work without a dc power supply?
Sir do we applying any input sigal here for which getting a sinusoidal out / it's generat due to leakage current???
@@mrinmoymandal2695 No, we are not applying any AC input signal. Only DC power supply is applied to the active component. In this case, its the supply voltage to the op-amp. And the AC signal is eventually growing from the thermal noise present in the circuit.
For more information about the working of any oscillator circuit, please check my video on how the oscillator works.
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very good explanation but your video is not include bistable multivibrirator using op-amp
how parallel rc network acts as alow pass filter ????
in low pass filter if we take o/p from capacitor this is known as low pass filter but here the voltage take from both r and c r equal .
At high frequencies, the capacitor provides very low impedance. Xc = 1/(2*pi*f*c)
So, the overall impedance of the parallel combination of R and C will be very low. Let's say, the impedance of the parallel combination is Z2.
And series combination R1 + C1 is Z1. Then Z2*Vin/(Z1+Z2) will be very low at high frequencies.
At low frequency, Xc2 will be high and can be assumed as an open circuit. So, Z2 is approximately equal to R2. And you will get finite output at low frequencies.
And that's how the parallel combination of R2 and C2 acts as a low pass filter.
I hope it will clear your doubt.
thanks sir
Sir can you plzz make video on designing of rc phase shift oscillator
I have already made video on RC phase shift oscillator. Please check on the oscillator playlist.
plyzz upload a video on LC oscillator
I have already uploaded the video on LC oscillator. (Colpitts Oscillator)
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Sir my doubt is how phase shift is zero at resonant freq can you explain plz
If you watch the video 6:58 onwards, I have already derived it. If you go through the little bit of mathematics, then you will get it that how at the resonant frequency the phase shift is zero.
labeling mistakes are there despite good concept explanation. Also, the feedback(beta) concept is not correct. Beta should be equal to Vin by Vo. Despite being soo many mistakes I am giving u Thumps up, Its just because of concept. Make it correct
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Sir, I think in the redrawn circuit of wein bridge oscillator the R3 and R4 should exchange their place. I think the voltages are not matching. Please clarify it.
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I thin the reconstruction of bridge is wrong .....R4 shoud be connected to ground....
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This is minor, but this circuit is often mislabeled. It is really spelled Wien bridge oscillator.
Thank you for pointing that out.
how do we get the exp
A=1+R4/R3
The op-amp is configured in non-inverting amplifier configuration. That's why its gain would be 1 + Rf/R1.
In this case, it would be 1 + R4/R3.
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