Shell opens hydrogen station in the UK
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- On 22 February 2017 Shell opened its first hydrogen refueling station in the UK, at the Cobham retail site, in partnership with ITM. Shell Hydrogen: www.shell.com/h...
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Electric cars aren’t the only option hydrogen is also a possibility. There still aren’t enough electric charging stations. Never mind hydrogen.
Update: The Shell filling station at Cobham has closed the hydrogen filling facilities there, they have been removed from site and re-landscaped.
Same in Beaconsfield
One station in the UK, while a start, is a bit disappointing. From the South Coast where I live, it would take about half a tank of fuel travelling to and from the service station. While I'd love a hydrogen fuel cell car, Shell and others will need to expand the number of hydrogen stations considerably before it becomes a practicable proposition.
Excellent idea
I would be nervous getting a hydrogen car relying on 1 fuel station in the uk. Though I could easily travel to this one. Still what happens if they decide to shut it down then I'd be a bit screwed.
I think there’s actually a few more now, but still only in the region of a dozen, plus there’s no real cost saving yet as far as i can tell, so I think most focus will be on battery EV’s between now and 2030
Two stations closed this week. Three closed a few months ago. Only 5 stations left in the UK. Hydrogen is the worst.
What´s the cost of fuel per kilometer compared to gasoline?
note!
hydrogen keeps the leash the fossil fuel industry has on us in a permanent place for the future.
I don't think it requires oil as it powers electric motors. I expect there will be some grease (oil) in the bearings
Fun facts about Hydrogen
-It takes 3x more electricty to fuel a Hydrogen vehicle than a battery vehicle per mile
-Hydrogen is 5x more expensive than electricity for a battery vehicle, it costs more than taxed petrol
-Battery vehicles are charged at home and can efficiently absorb the excess renewables, without throwing away 2/3s or the energy. They can also feed back into the grid as needed. This characteristic get even better as more charge points appear whereever you park.
-an example of H2 inefficiency is that a 150kW fuel cell need a 20kW air pump (bascially an electric turbo), this is 13% of the end energy available for the traction motor. Further more compressing Hydrogen to 880bar requires at least 15% of the energy. The best theoretical efficiency of H2 is 70% assuming the fuel cell and electolyser waste heat can be reused usefully (typically 30-40% overall now). A Tesla Powerwall can store electricity at an efficiency of 92.5%.
-Fuel cells need 'started' by heating to 50C. Fuel cell cars need batteries for this and to recover energy during braking and to drive the car while its heating up.
-Battery charge points cost about £1500, a small Hydrogen fueling station for 1 or 2 vehicles costs about £2M.
-One by one all H2 vehicle producers are announcing moving away from H2 ro Batteries
-Japan gov't is staying with H2 at the moment because they claim limited natural resources to generate renewables and Australia has offer to supply them Hydrogen generated from coal.
-No material can store Hydrogen indefinately, when reviewed on Top gear the fantastic Toyota Mirai was quoted as the tank bening empty after 2 weeks.
-Hydrogen tanks in the Mirai must be inspected every 5000 miles and are not guaranteed against chemical damage from normal road or atmostphere conditions (eg slighly acidic rain or salt)
-2020 has seen battery vehicles at the top of the sale charts, with commercial orders for BEV vans of 100,000 and 10,000 for Amazon and UPS. Meanwhile orders for H2 vehicles are 1,2, 10, 20 max.
On the other hand you can fill up in a few minutes if you can find a fueling station.. yey
Definitely an early stage technology, interesting how far standard EV’s have come. If they can sort the issues with hydrogen it definitely has the potential to be a part of the answer to future energy, but there’s certainly big challenges ahead with production and storage
@@samandchar2004 You can't change the physics, Hydrogen is not suitable for energy. The problems are with physics, not engineering.
@@tonystanley5337 very true, but you also talk about costs and practicalities, and these will improve over time, not to mention how many electric cars have been ordered by Amazon etc. A decade ago battery powered cars were in the same position as hydrogen cars now* and look at the progress they’ve made. *I actually see the future of hydrogen more in domestic heating (eventually replacing natural gas) and larger scale power solutions, not sure it’ll ever really be a great fit for cars, but I wouldn’t rule it out altogether
@@samandchar2004 domestic heating doesn't make any sense either. It's more efficient just to use the electricity if it's renewable, and more efficient again to just burn natural gas (CO2wise) if you don't have extra renewables. If you want storage batteries are cheaper and massively more efficient. Batteries have always yielded benefits from R&D but has been held back by the oil industry. Hydrogen has always been inefficient and always will be, it's not at the start of its journey, it's had far more spent on it than batteries over a similar length of time. We've had breakthroughs in storage and resistance to embrittlement, but zero change in efficiency. Their only story is that efficiency isn't important and they will get the cost down with cheaper electricity.
@@tonystanley5337 unfortunately natural gas, which is the unsung hero of the energy industry in my opinion, is going to be phased out, and you can’t pump batteries around the gas network. Go electric? Not an option for most UK households who already use combi boilers - paying 40k+ for an air pump system isn’t practical in legacy stock housing. I invest in battery storage and know it’s the “missing link” in the renewable energy story, but batteries can’t solve every problem however much you’re obsessed with them
Oil company strategy appears to be: enter the renewable space (solar, hydrogen etc) to get rid of the competitors through pricing, buying up talent & controlling the narrative and then just shut it down & say it's not feasible - other players then reluctant to enter the industry, banks less likely lend money, less investors to bankroll such projects.
Chattanooga TN wants a hydrogen fuel station 😁
When shell is going to open hydrogen fuel stations in India
You have Russian Natural Gas. Why would you want Hydrogen?
Caiu o Mandetta;
Caiu o Moro;
Caiu a Ludmilla;
Só não caiu os 600,00 que ainda está em análise
Go HYDROGEN GLOBAL PH
Propaganda. If everyone in the world drove a hydrogen powered cars we would soon run out of water. 😮
This is all piffle by Shell because they have closed hydrogen in the UK
I'm gonna make a rocket
Shell are closing all of their hydrogen fuel stations in th UK aren't they? If so, it's short sighted and a bit pathetic. We want hydrogen cars not these daft heavy EVs that take hours and hours to recharge. Why doesn't the government legislate. Doh!!
And I bet they still charge the same price as petrol or diesel
even if they do, least its healthier for the planet. but i doubt it cause people will probably be able to make the hydrogen them selves
@@Nick871203 It is probably more expensive than Diesel. But it is healthier. Still if no CNG. Electric is better solution...