Fender or Marshall? The BEST Clean Pedal Platform
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- About a year and a half ago I purchased my first Marshall. I never used distortion or overdrive pedals with it because the tones in the amp are awesome. I have have been a long time Fender amplifier player. Fender amps are regarded as the ultimate "pedal platform".
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Guitar Hack had mentioned that he prefers his Marshall with pedals over the Fender amps with pedals so I thought I would give it a shot.
In this video, I am using three overdrive pedals into a Marshall DSL40CR on the clean channel and the Fender Blues Deluxe on the clean channel. Both these amplifiers are at gig volume (118dB) and are mic'd up with an SM57.
Both of these amplifiers are mine and I have been using them for a long time now.
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Conclusion: Pick the one you think looks cooler.
M Brown conclusion. Pick the Marshall. It excels at gain. The fact it holds its own taking pedals making pedals is one of many tricks. The fender has one trick.
So the fender then
So pick the marshall
Lol more like pick both. They'll sound fantastic together!
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I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but SRV used a marshall for his cleans and a fender for his overdrive.
Really ? I have NEVER seen SRV use a Marshall but I've heard he used a big Marshall major head unit with some Marshall 412 cabs but every performance I've seen he plays fender twins, super, pro reverbs ECT...
I didn't know that!
...then again, I got kicked out of the choir in my schoolboy days... 😏
EDIT: Hey! If I could sing, do think I would've gone to all that trouble of learning guitar (beyond strumming some chords on an acoustic)?? Hell to tha NO!!
Did not know that. Very cool.
he used a dumble for his cleans too. The steel string singer doesn't do drive on the clean channel.
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Both sounds awesome the fender sounded brighter and the Marshall sounded warmer but it did vary alittle with each pedal definitely loved both tones
I like that you pointed out they don’t sound too different at gig volume, as I was thinking you can’t go wrong with either of the tones you were getting. I am glad you showed us the amps!
They both sounded great but that sustain with the Fender was awesome. The Marshall is a much more flexible amp though, it has good cleans and overdrive that can cover blues, classic rock and metal. I really like my hot rod deville but will be picking up a DSL 40CR soon.
2:50 Your face with the Maxon through the Fender says it all!
G'day Shane (and greetings from another lefty!). Thanks for posting this, very cool to hear this kind of comparison. Much as I love fender amps, gotta say a lot of the marshal tones in this review came across to me as tighter, and gave me the impression they might sit better in a full band mix. Very interesting either way!
So all of it sounded amazing, all the pedals, both amps. I give the fender a slight edge, I feel like it had a little bit more grit and soul. Also feel like fender definitely better for blues rock/southern rock.
I just picked up a DSL40CR last month, and have been using it conjunction with a Fender Deluxe Reverb. I use them both for my cleans in a "dry/wet" set up (occasionally with some overdrive, and switch to the Marshall for solos. I think the 2 amps compliment each other beautifully in the clean realm, and can actually get pretty close to each other tonally, but the Marshal has that real tube gain that pedals can never top IMHO.
I totally agree that having the master volume at full, and using the guitar volume knob is the way to go. Hot tubes perform better...
Thanks for the shout out Shane. And yes I do prefer the warmer smoother Marshall tones. Cheers
Hello Hack! Hope you are well bro!
@@robertclarkguitar I'm well. Hope you're good. Cheers
As a Marshall owner, I absolutely love the tones of these amps, both the clean and overdrive tones. That being said, I still love the sounds from Fender amps!!! I can’t choose one over the other because they both do a great job as pedal platforms and for dirty tones!!!! Just get both!!! 😂😂😂 Cool video Shane! Cheers!!!!🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾
Which one do you think is constructed better Jamal ? Blues On....💙
I too own the Marshall 40cr, I have a custom Fender Champ 5w as well. I actually prefer the Marshall at the 20w setting just playing around. With that being said, I also think that Fender sounded better. Does it have a half power setting? If not, that’s the only reason I see to go with the Marshall.
Good shootout Shane, I prefer the Fender myself. Nice shout out to a fellow Canadian UA-camr, cheers!!
Great vid Shane. I got to go with the fender.🤘
I always found the advantage to the DSL40c was that it didn’t really need distortion or drive pedals because the distortion the amp produces is so great when you push it a bit. Personally, the only drive pedal I use on my DSL is a TS9+ to just tighten and push the amp a bit at bedroom volumes. I like using a compressor and phaser on the clean channel. I’ll admit that sometimes I like to get crazy and experiment with some fuzz pedal sounds for that mid to late sixties vibe. That’s about it though. Great video as always!
I own both and have had these amps for several years. I have the DSL40C with a G12T75 speaker and a HRD II with a 12AT7 in PI tube and a C12N speaker.
Both take drive pedals well, different pedals work differently but most of them sound good with both. Delays also work great with both.
On the other hand, modulation is easier to dial in with the HRD. Especially once you start adding pedals like an overdrive, a modulation and a delay, the HRD is apparent that it is better than the DSL. The HRD has a lot more clarity.
My band mates have told me that they really like the DSL rhythm tone a lot better than the HRD. But once I break into a solo, the clarity of the HRD is unmatched by the DSL!
Always relevant and interesting videos. Both amps are good. I can't make up my mind. I think it will depend more on your mood on a given day than the quality of the amps.
Running both of those amps in a wet/dry configuration with the fender dry sounds out of this world🎸🤘🏼🇵🇹
1 amp for specific mood is a way to go. Think I need to sell my car...
The tone has so much to do with the speakers too! Nice demo!
Damn Shane, I like both of them. And your videos are informative. Thanks
The Marshall for me, i think.. you can get a great tone out of either one though!! Great video Shane!
Our Studio loves combos (for obvious reasons) and have a 1966 Supro Type 24 18w and the same ones you're showcasing here. The tweed Blues Deluxe is from 1996, currently with Groove tubes and a bias control mod - and the latest purchase was the DSL40CR - and I'm glad I waited and got the new one. I've had a Marshall Super Lead 2 for many years, a 40 watt solid state amp - and frankly, if you're going to run a pedal board, is probably the one to take to the club as its lighter and bullet-proof. There's not much I can't dial in with these three 12" combos and I love all three for what they each do best!
So cool you gave Guitar Hack a shout out ! Both sound good but I prefer the Fender overall, best clean imho, then it's a toss up with the pedals. Nice comparo as always mate !
Thanks Todd. Cheers
@@GuitarHack66 You bet buddy ! Cheers !
I stack a Fulltone OCD into a Boss DS-1 into the clean channel of my DSL40C (with an Eminence Private Jack swapped in), and they sound so buttery and creamy. Marshall's cleans are so under-appreciated; my DSL sounds rich and full when squeaky clean... Not saying that the DSL can't roar nicely on its own, because it absolutely can! Just a great all-rounder, the DSL40C.
These days I run a Fender HRDX..But I had a Marshall MG30 and even that sounded great..I bet Your DSL sounds awesome...I would like a DSL next to my HRDX..One day..
Nice vs vid I’m just partial to that bumper tone with bright drivers🤘🏽
I LOVE THE MARSHALL !! I USE THAT AMP AT GIGS WITH MY VERY SMALL PEDAL BOARD !!SOUNDS GREAT !!
I never though it would even be a contest but ever since we got the Marshall Origin a while ago I have to say that they take drive pedals better than any Fender I've ever owned...and I've always been a Fender amp guy!!
thanks Shane , you've helped my with 2 purchases , 1 x blues deluxe reissue and 1 jam pedal whacko , I like your humbleness , cheers mate
They're both killing me 😍😍😍
I really want that Marshal now...good stuff!
Fenders for my ears, purely subjective. Thanks for the video!
The Marshall is such a good amp. I have it MIDI switched by a BOSS MS-3 and use a BD-2 and SD-1 as boosts - recommend you try something similar. Blues driver boosting the crunch voice on the clean channel with volume rolled off on a Tele is great! Cheers for vids, great stuff.
I liked both! Seemed like Fender had a bit more sustain.
I got an Origin 50c a while back and that works really well as a pedal platform. Its pretty similar in that regard to a HRD for example, but has a master volume.
Thanks for the video bro!
Awesome comparison, but I had to wonder. What they might sounded like together in unison and stereo'd...
I use a fender deluxe and a very conservative pedal board. Amazing pedal platform.
To my ears the Fender sounded more like what I want, but the key is "to my ears". I think everyone will hear things differently. They both sounded great though and amp eq and pedal knob tweaking could make for totally different experiences. Thanks for posting.
The right answer is of course: both! Played in a wet/dry rig :)
I feel neither were better, just different, so if I were to choose one of the two, I'd go for the fender just because imo it sounds better when dead clean
good video beautiful amplifiers greetings from colombia.
beautifull amps, beautifull guitars but most importantly beautifull playing ;) Great video as always Shane.
Goed!
Great Dem! Try a clean boost or EQ pedal on flat setting in the effects loop on either...awesome lead boost, can be slight or huge ...have fun!!!!!
Thanks Shane for this video 👍🏻 My Princeton reverb reissue is my pedal platform, and the DSL20 combo is my... $500 drive pedal LOL It sounds great with the onboard reverb and only a tremolo pedal in the fx loop. I’m also a fan of the Keeley, so good at low gain levels with just a bit of breakup. 😊
I have a DSL100HR and it's an excellent pedal platform. I'm currently running 10 pedals. Not to mention it sounds great and can do any tone on its own.
Amazing video as always, Shane! Thank you for use my new device, I hope you like it!
What a great little pedal! 😄
@@intheblues thanks!
This was awesome. I'm a Fender guy, but the Marshall definitely earned some respect on this
Great video as always shane, to me the fender had it for me for more clairity in the 2nd pedal. Otherwise yes there wasnt alot of diffrence that I could hear.
Having got both style amps I would suggest that fenders have more volume and tone dynamics when it comes to using pedals on the clean channel! However, when using overdrives they can sound brittle on the top end if don't back off the effects tone control compared to using it on a Marshall which has a softer mid to top end frequency response. I suggest every guitarist buy both if you're undecided! : )
I'm in love with the Fender .. I gotta need for Tweed 😊👍
Man that Tokai guitar is sweet sounding. Did you change out wiring and pups? Beautiful guitar
I'm leaning towards the 'just use what you've got' camp with stuff like this. If I was shopping? Fender.
I thought some pedals worked better with the Marshall and some better with the Fender. My favorite was the Maxon with the Fender. Great video - thanks!
This video reminds us that Marshall amps can be great pedal platforms too. Many people don’t even know or explore this or understand what exactly makes one better than another for a certain application.
Something to be aware of is that Marshall’s are know to emphasize the mid-frequencies a lot. Many classic Fender amps (like Blackface amps) tend to be almost the opposite, with big bass and treble, scooped mids. The Hot Rod Fender series sits somewhere in the middle, with a more flat EQ and certainly a lot more mids than a blackface amp. This makes amps like a Hot Rod Deluxe or Blues Junior a very different pedal platform than say a 65 Deluxe Reverb. Why? It’s all about what pedals work best with what types of amps. This is such a HUGE subject. For additional information on this I highly recommend checking out the episode called “Mid-scooped & mid-pushed Amps” from That Pedal Show.
I bought a Blues Deluxe like a month and a half ago. I went into the store wanting to get the DSL40. The only tube amp they really had was the Blues Deluxe. In the store I loved the clean sound but drive channel wasn’t amazing. I ended up buying the Blues Deluxe thinking I could return it if I didn’t like it. I bought a couple pedals and now I wouldn’t trade it for anything. I use a Les Paul on second input with an SD-1 into DS-1.
What this type of a shootout typically comes down to is your preference between EL34 versus 6L6 power tubes and the specific circuit design for any given amp in terms of the ability or inability to dial in the sweet spot you're looking for. 6L6's have a brighter top end and more shimmer versus EL34's which when dialed in, have far better British mid range grind and bark. In either case, more sweep in the amp's controls is what helps to dial in your tone.
Marshall all the way, I own one as well with Vintage-30s and it sounds great on both channels. Thanks for the video man.
CAN'T GO WRONG WITH THE FINDER OR THE MARSHALL THEY BOTH SOUND GREAT !! \M/
*cough* Marshal mg series *cough*
Well I think the answer is pretty clear... I need both.
Great video man
Fender just kicks out the jam on this comparison! Holds and blows that sound so thick and juicy!! Good post!!
Srv actually used Marshalls for his cleans sometimes they will surprise ya on their cleans
@Yog D 2018 during the big bad blues tour
Great video Shane!! I'd use both😎
They had the characteristic sound of a Marshall and a Fender but loud with peddles it was less apparent - both sounded good to me.
Both are great!
I use a fender hot rod deluxe iii on its clean channel and have tons of pedals. It’s literally the perfect clean channel especially for stacking drives. Fender cleans all the way!!
What is interesting is how opaque the drive pedals are. The colour the sound of the amp to the point it does not matter what amp you have.
Honestly I liked them both and wouldn’t have an issue with either. Just because I’m a Fender geek, I would lean in that direction but I really did like them both.
Man, that's a tough one! They both sound great... Just depends on the tune and tone your looking for 🎸🎸🎸👍👍
We can certainly see which you prefer. ( Fender),NOTE: At my last gig a decided to try my Marshall TSL 60 ( which the clean channel, I love) on the clean channel with and old Arion branded distortion pedal as an overdrive ( drive dialed back and level jacked) wasn't great until I added some EQ with and old Ibanez EQ pedal. I was pleasantly surprised. Don't get me wrong, the crunch and lead channels are really good loud but it seemed like pedals would be a better option at lower gigging volumes. I think I may have to start shopping for a quality overdrive. Which did you prefer out of the three you tested with the Marshall. I liked the Keely.
Very close in all aspects, the speaker upgrades to each amplifier made a big difference in the way the amps perform, both take pedals well, but it seemed you could push the Marshall a bit harder to Get a heavier, saturated tone, It comes down to personal preference, but I’d have to give the edge to the Marshall, another great shootout Shane, well done
Thanks Mark!
Awesome thanks!!
all your video proved is that i need both
In isolation, I preferred the Fender - seemed more organic and had a nice bloom. However, if you are playing in a typical rock band, I think the Marshall with its low end roll off and more present mids may sit better in a band mix, especially for rhythm crunch.
ABY them-best of both worlds put anything you'd run through the fx loop (time based effects) to the Marshall and any ODs/vibes/wah in front of both amps 🤘
I personally like the warmer sound coming from your Marshall with the pedals.
To be honest I normally prefer Fender all the way but Marshall sounded smoother.. so I go Marshall. Does this mean I have to buy one now ? :)
Yes.
Fender all the way for me, Shane. The Marshall was better than I thought it would be - those are superb pedals.
Interesting demo, thanks, Shane. Historically, the circuits were pretty similar, so maybe anticipating similarity is a good starting point. They both enjoy a prominent place in the market, I’d be surprised if there was a clear winner. And sure ‘nuff, I liked them both, they both took those pedals well. The Fender better matches the sound I have in the back of my head, but the next person might resonate more with the Marshall. Here’s a challenge; demo amps that DON’T take pedals well!
I really like the Marshall with the third pedal. Sweet.
Both amps sound good. Hard to pick just one!! ☺
Both sound serviceable. For what it's worth, the only pedal my Fender DR doesn't get on with is the Boss DS-1. Guessing the scooped mids into an amp w/o a mids control isn't a winning combo. Cheers.
in my earbuds the two amps sounded very similar which was surprising. they both sounded really good also. wish you had done a jam but perhaps others would say that's not needed in a shootout. I like jams. what a surprise. great video. Both amps would find a home in my studio. but we couldn't play at gig vol.....well maybe a little. Rock on! bye for now and thanks Shane.
I use a hot rod deluxe and an origin 20. Wet/dry configuration. It’s the best of both worlds!
same as you on the fender but what he's using here with Marshall ,MASSIVE WALL both cranked!
Excelent Tone bro what setting used in Fender amp ?
They both sound great. Just wondering what difference you've found since swapping out the celestion v type for the eminence speaker in the marshall.
With the Marshall Where would you recommend the gain on the clean channel for a pure clean tone but will accept an od pedal? Do you crank the master then roll off the channel volume for best sounds
Funny, I have the exact two amps sitting next to each other in my man-cave (Creamback in the Marshall and Cannabis Rex in the Fender) and I like the Marshall as it is for classic rock Marshall tones and the Fender for a pedal platform to cover just about everything else, except for Marshall tones of course. I think the Fender is a more neutral pedal platform that covers more ground than the Marshall and if someone likes the Marshall better it's just because they like Marshall tones better in general.
Hey Shane I actually use both Marshall and Fender together via splitter because they compliment each other tone wise ..
I think its such a tough one that i have both !! For me, The clean on the Marshall has more bass to my ears, could be the difference of speakers, too...i just used the Marshall at a blues gig and noone scoffed at me for it so, for versatility the Marshall wins, imo ~
Marshall DSL40CR (with Eminence Texas Heat Speaker) vs Fender Blues Deluxe (with Eminence Swamp Thing Speaker). Both are amazing Amps, I prefer the Marshall for the good lookig, pretty nice sounding with pedals and it's more durable than the Fender Blues Deluxe. Just in my opinion.
Great comparison video using just the amps with no processing.Both amps sounded good to me with each pedal.Maybe the Fender just edged it?
I like the more rounded tone of the Marshall. I'm biased though, I own a DSL 40....Surprised you replaced the Celestion...after it broke in, I'm quite happy with the tone....why do you prefer the Eminence? Anyway, great video.
I have the DSL 40c, love it. I also have a Fender, like it a lot, love it with my tele and strat, but the Marshall is my every day amp, just pairs so well with my Goldtop. Also agree with him, no OD pedal needed with the Marshell
I like it all. A good guitarist can make whatever they have available so they job. That being said I have a fender pro junior ( needs a dirt pedal because the little bugger has to go very loud to distort) and a JVM ( one watt no pedals needed) and a Vox that sounds good with a boost. Play on!
I found that the lows sit in a mix differently, the wood or chug of the Marshall might disappear under the bass and kick, whereas the Fender stays separate.
I didn't really notice a difference between the two until you pulled out the tele.
Both had qualities that you can use, both sounded great and none was a 'clear' winner. It comes down to what the player wants and shows that if you buy 1, you aren't missing out by not buying the other.
You could argue that Fender (for example) is the best for pedals and that Marshall has the better crunch/overdrive channel (as many believe) but you can easily make do with either, the right pedals and/or the right settings for you and your preferred instrument. Its not black and white because there is a LOT of options to tweak the sound for individual preference and that's without considering the different instruments, PU's and huge variety of Pedals that allow musicians to get the tone they prefer from any Amp.
The fender sounds amazing with the first pedal man what a killer amp and I am a Marshall guy .That fender is where it's at
Couple years ago I saw the who in concert and pete was playing on a bunch of Fender twin reverb amps and the sound hurt my ears so much not too loud but the frequencies.
He used to use hiwatt which I prefer much more.
Both sound great Shane, but I give the nod to the Fender. It just has a bit more bite... sorry Guitar Hack! 😊
No worries Fred. Cheers
great demo. i just got my first vox, an ac 15. i don't know if there is a good overdrive OR distortion for it, i am very sceptical if there is. i may use it only for clean it has a beautiful clean sound, prior to this amp i NEVER played clean, and with this vox, i am enjoying a whole new world. i just don't think the vox can compete with the tones i get out of my stand alone plug ins, as far as metal tones are concerned. well thanks for all the vids you do keep up the great work
I've got lots of tube amps. Ac15 is a solid amp lots of midrange though and lots of treble. On the normal channel clip out the bright cap and it will work much much better with pedals and be less ice picky.
The Fender single notes sounded great, the Marshall sounded great when chords where played.