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I'm a full time power chair user. Wow this is amazing! My chair maxes out at 4mph even 8mp would be great!! Sometimes it can be scary when you need speed but don't have it.
I think it's so awesome that you guys have this technology available to you now to make your lives more convenient, increase your mobility, and just have fun going that fast in your chair. However, I find it absolutely disgusting that medical device companies charge SOOOO much money for their products. Things that people NEED to simply live their life. I know people that have waited YEARS to get a prosthetic or to save up for a decent chair. Or even the price of those gel cushions for your seat. Nothing but pure greed at its finest. I don't want any industry people coming on here talking a bunch of ish about, "well, research and development, blah, blah, blah...we don't move enough units to bring down the cost, wah, wah, wah,..." Don't patronize. You could buy 2 base model brand new vehicles for the price of that chair. I understand that Ford moves a lot of units, but you can't say that that makes up for the astronomical difference in price. They charge that much because they know they can because people NEED these devices to try and live a happy, normal life. Same reason 1 bag of chemotherapy medicine costs $25,000. It makes me literally sick to my stomach sometimes. Keep having fun and keep making videos man!
Hi there, I found this video blog very interesting because in 2015 I was seriously considering buying a Bounder, I gone so far as getting a quote it was in the region of about US$44,000 that included absolutely everything just about that you could throw at the wheelchair as far as seating options went. I was also at that time looking at a Frontier V6 all-terrain! I know you have 1 of these :-). Well, to cut a long story short; I decided on the Frontier because it had a dealer in New Zealand where I reside. The freight cost to get a bounder to NZ was to be around US$3000. Owning a Frontier yourself and, having tried a bounder - I'm curious what you think of the bounder? I'm intrigued by the change drive and the lithium batteries! How did you find there controller? It's a little bit different isn't it. Are you still considering purchasing a bounder? I'd love to hear your feedback
I use the Bounder Plus every day, the 11 MPH with chain drive, no problems, just keep new tires handy. been using the 21st century chair for almost 40 yrs now, very well built!
They should for the price its like buying a new camry. I really could use a heavy duty chair like these but, I can't afford 25k and medicare wouldn't help on a 500 lbs weight capacity.
@@TotallyNormal- I would want a 500 lb one. 300m . I have an envy 300 lbs chair its already falling apart. So I'm not sure 300m will be able to hold together.
Hell can you suggest how to move a permobil c500 2015 model that has been sitting for several years since my dad's passing and I need to move? Also any suggestions for where I can get rid of it?
Hahaha where did you grab this chair?? Bounder says that they will only make the bounder 300 (not plus) run 7.5 mph now.. i cry because i want all terrain tires and speeeeeeed..
having some speed is nice. yeah batteries run down faster but speed trumps that. having my chair reprogramed this friday. max speed will be 7mph. good jump from 4.
on most of the C-series chairs - the speed is set by mechanical limits.. i think those chairs are 5MPH at the most. that's all the 24 volt motors and gearboxes are capable of... its possible to swap in the newer 6.5 mph motors.. but it takes some modification of the plastics, and the neutral lever/brake disconnects wouldn't work anymore :^/
ive got an H-frame off road version.. its got all the power seat options.. tilt, recline, legs, and elevator. also got the lithium battery option as well
Far as the power chair goes. now that was fast. I have had a friend use a power chair and heir's was really slow. She had 2 speeds, slow and slower lol Bless her heart. We use to call her power chair the Russian tank . But her chair might have been slow but they it had some pushing power to it. $35,000 is alot of money for a new power chair but if you need one then i say heck, Get one. I wouldn't know of any insurance companies where i live would even began to help pay for something like that.
5:07 I had to replace one of my axles too. In fact it was the one on the same side the lift was on. Cost me $314 too. I'd be driving down the highway / road and would hear sounds too. I brought it to a repair shop and the guy told me. Its a good thing you had this looked at. And i remember him saying that my axle was slowly beginning to get cut into. It had a ring around it where you could see it was slowly being cut in half. Now i know what to listen for, For the most part. I hope i don't hear that sound again.
lol I got my v6fronter up to 15 mph ..It will move on. I think my permobile only goes 6 mph I was so use to going slow. but my track chair lol I think it goes 5 miles a hour .but I take it any place I want to go I took it hunting one time and went in before daylight and set up and when day light come I was on a mountain looking down I tiled all the way back just to go down the road I was on lol . but got to have new battery's and they high
excuse me sir,,i wan asking i have electrik wheelchair chinese the market is FS-123 , if i wan to fast like in video what i must todo the speed just 6 km per hour in maximum,, i wan speed like that must change motor dc or gearbox or upgrade di battery to 48v,, but if i upgrade battery to 48v if safety for the motor dc i use,, i hope you can answer my question and have a good day sir, thank you
hey! so "most" electric motors can be run at higher voltage.. unless they're brushless.. then there's a bit more involved.. BUT modifications like this require an aftermarket motor controller.. if you can find different gears, or maybe just larger tires, sometimes you can get a little bit more speed. BUT you have to get up to 36, 42, or 48 volts if you REALLY wanna liven up a chair! not gonna lie though.. it can get expensive, and time consuming to do this type of thing. I don't have a parts list right now for this type up upgrade.. but i hope in the future to build "speed upgraded" chairs, and / or maybe sell kits so people can do it themselves.. but that's a ways off in the future.. good luck out there!
im just thankful to be in a position to make videos for people to watch :^) medicare doesn't cover this particular chair. however, as of recently, 21st century scientific does offer a medicare billable model. the specs are a bit different, but still the same rugged build quality
Hi. I love your videos. I really want to add some more power to my power chair. I don't have much money so cheaper is better. Any suggestions on where to start? Anyone please help.
I just ordered a bounder 300m they don't sell the H frame no more or the Recaro seating. I've ordered the 300m but my insurance won't cover tha all terrain package or the speed upgrade. Do you still think I made the right choice. I'm searching for a charity that will fund the all terrain and speed upgrade. Any input from my disabled family. I'm in San Diego
@@TotallyNormal- damn. That’s a shame. My quickie p222SE was stolen and I’ve been chairless for about 6 months. Do you have any recs for chairs with comparable speed and community use to the P222SE? (It’s been discontinued)
Hi Dan, thank you for the video; which led me to your channel videos. There is lots of good stuff there, thanks. I found you do to searching for the right power chair for me because I have a rare disease that will soon have me wheelchair-bound. I ran across a guy in the UK who has a blog about building his own Powerchairs. He explains his builds in detail. His latest build put together 78 Lithium batteries for more power, less weight, longer life, A Roboteq Controller to run 48 volts to the motors for high speed (16 mph), more torque, and long-distance (45 miles). He also uses an RC remote controller connected to the Roboteq controller so he can test, move his chairs, and even walk his dog from the warmth of his car. I believe he is worth checking out if you haven’t already. I wouldn't post his link without your permission. I want a powerchair with good capabilities on-road and off-road but I can't afford the cost of one, so I will probably purchase a good quality used chair and upgrade to my desires. Thanks again for the videos and let me know if you want the UK guy's link.
welcome to the club! hopefully the transition to chair life isnt too disturbing.. (poor attempt at humor lol - dont worry, you're not alone in all of this!) but yes - we're all aware of "the guy in the uk" lol ill leave it at that for now :^) are you going to be needing a full rehab chair with seating functions? or just a basic power chair?
@@TotallyNormal-, Thank you for your reply. I won't need a rehab therapy chair, just something to get me down to the river through 100 yards of dips, rocks, and some sand that I declined a few weeks ago because I knew I couldn't do on my own anymore. I have Kennedy Disease; my muscles are wasting away. I can still walk, and function around the house for now, but getting weaker each day. If I walked 200 feet and turned around to walk back, I may collapse from weakness before I got back. If I rest for an hour afterward I could maybe do another 100 feet. When I’m working in my garage, I mostly use a stool with casters to last the day. I built an Airplane back in 2011-2013 and flew it for about 8 months before I was feeling too weak to safely do what was necessary to maintain it and fly it. I kept it for another 4 years or so until the Doctors finally diagnosed me with Kennedy Disease, and I won't get better. I sold my Airplane which was part of my soul. Now I try to fill my day with stool scooting projects. That's why your Channel caught my attention as it looks like you do the same thing, no offense intended. I would like to know more about the UK guy, I wouldn’t want to end up with dead-end upgrades that I waste money on. Please advice.
I get my chairs through medical insurance but I am thinking of saving up and getting me one of these eventually, or at least taking an older powerchair of mine and replacing the batteries with something better, and placing other wheels on it, even though it will not be much faster even if I adjust that, plus you don't want to kill the batteries.
I typed a whole big long reply but didn't hit post!! LOL well this is a tricky question.. there's many categories for 'favorite chair' but rear wheel drive chairs IMO are more difficult to use indoors etc.. BUT are great for commuting or longer distances!
I'm a full time power chair user. Wow this is amazing! My chair maxes out at 4mph even 8mp would be great!! Sometimes it can be scary when you need speed but don't have it.
for sure! plus being able to outrun people on foot sometimes would be nice!
Totally Normal thanks for the reply! Watching again because my chair needs to be that fast!!
But $35,000 how do you pay for that
@@scottyknowscomedy the answer is yes
My ROVI X3 already goes faster than I feel safe going.
Does Medicare pay for such a wheelchair ?
they have a medicare billable version now. not QUITE as fast lol but they have more options in 2021!
I think it's so awesome that you guys have this technology available to you now to make your lives more convenient, increase your mobility, and just have fun going that fast in your chair. However, I find it absolutely disgusting that medical device companies charge SOOOO much money for their products. Things that people NEED to simply live their life. I know people that have waited YEARS to get a prosthetic or to save up for a decent chair. Or even the price of those gel cushions for your seat. Nothing but pure greed at its finest. I don't want any industry people coming on here talking a bunch of ish about, "well, research and development, blah, blah, blah...we don't move enough units to bring down the cost, wah, wah, wah,..." Don't patronize. You could buy 2 base model brand new vehicles for the price of that chair. I understand that Ford moves a lot of units, but you can't say that that makes up for the astronomical difference in price. They charge that much because they know they can because people NEED these devices to try and live a happy, normal life. Same reason 1 bag of chemotherapy medicine costs $25,000. It makes me literally sick to my stomach sometimes. Keep having fun and keep making videos man!
Agree with you 10000% ...
I wished I had gotten a settlement in 1986. I can’t even afford the Quickie GP I want. I’ve had the same chair for 20 years. Enjoy the speed!
I just got a Pronto M6 and I'm tryna make it fast. Any suggestions?
Hi there,
I found this video blog very interesting because in 2015 I was seriously considering buying a Bounder, I gone so far as getting a quote it was in the region of about US$44,000 that included absolutely everything just about that you could throw at the wheelchair as far as seating options went. I was also at that time looking at a Frontier V6 all-terrain!
I know you have 1 of these :-). Well, to cut a long story short; I decided on the Frontier because it had a dealer in New Zealand where I reside. The freight cost to get a bounder to NZ was to be around US$3000.
Owning a Frontier yourself and, having tried a bounder - I'm curious what you think of the bounder? I'm intrigued by the change drive and the lithium batteries! How did you find there controller? It's a little bit different isn't it.
Are you still considering purchasing a bounder?
I'd love to hear your feedback
Do you have a link to buy this chair? Ive been looking for a fast chair.
wheelchairs.com
@@TotallyNormal- thanks
My chair can only do 5mph
I use the Bounder Plus every day, the 11 MPH with chain drive, no problems, just keep new tires handy. been using the 21st century chair for almost 40 yrs now, very well built!
glad to hear!!
They should for the price its like buying a new camry. I really could use a heavy duty chair like these but, I can't afford 25k and medicare wouldn't help on a 500 lbs weight capacity.
bounder does have a medicare billable chair now - its not as fast as this one - but same heavy duty build quality! they call it the 300M
@@TotallyNormal- I would want a 500 lb one. 300m . I have an envy 300 lbs chair its already falling apart. So I'm not sure 300m will be able to hold together.
they can build them to whatever spec ya need.. might be worth checking if ya like the design... :^)
I love lithium but most lithium chars cone with the world's worst joysticks and you ccan't buy good ones to replace them.
Hell can you suggest how to move a permobil c500 2015 model that has been sitting for several years since my dad's passing and I need to move? Also any suggestions for where I can get rid of it?
$35,000? How in the world do you afford it? I can’t even afford $16,000 for a Magic mobility 4 x 4
I have muscular dystrophy and myasthenia gravis I need this chair wow . I’m in the city too it would be great .
I'd like to know how fast a chair can legally go before you need to register it at the DMV.
Can you help me with raising jazzy speed
Jean Pierre Polnareff, is that you?
how much does it cost and whats the name of that wheelchair
Hahaha where did you grab this chair?? Bounder says that they will only make the bounder 300 (not plus) run 7.5 mph now.. i cry because i want all terrain tires and speeeeeeed..
this model was called 'the ultimate power chair' but its been discontinued now :^/ it's just a demo unit i was checking out for the day
having some speed is nice. yeah batteries run down faster but speed trumps that. having my chair reprogramed this friday. max speed will be 7mph. good jump from 4.
wow that's quite a jump!!! haha stay safe out there!
Totally Normal Hey dude how's it going, is there anyway that I can get more speed out of my permobile c350 power chair.
on most of the C-series chairs - the speed is set by mechanical limits.. i think those chairs are 5MPH at the most. that's all the 24 volt motors and gearboxes are capable of... its possible to swap in the newer 6.5 mph motors.. but it takes some modification of the plastics, and the neutral lever/brake disconnects wouldn't work anymore :^/
Deb video you just showed had nothing to do with wheelchairs
Damn I don’t even need one and I want one now
What features do you have on your Bounder 300m
ive got an H-frame off road version.. its got all the power seat options.. tilt, recline, legs, and elevator. also got the lithium battery option as well
35000$ for a wheelchair no thsnks
I need one of these what’s the cost? For somthing like this
Wow, that's fast! I hope it comes with a very strong seatbelt. lol
If you use the shifter it chirps between gears.
Wow that is soooo fast lol👍👍👍
How to Step climbing and speed saw to us
I am paralyzed and I would love one to drive
Oh I want one how much is it going for wow 🤩
That's awesome.
I bet it is cuz 7mph is scary on a chair lol
Far as the power chair goes. now that was fast. I have had a friend use a power chair and heir's was really slow. She had 2 speeds, slow and slower lol Bless her heart. We use to call her power chair the Russian tank . But her chair might have been slow but they it had some pushing power to it. $35,000 is alot of money for a new power chair but if you need one then i say heck, Get one. I wouldn't know of any insurance companies where i live would even began to help pay for something like that.
Would love to have the bounder but it would be a NO GO from the VA unless maybe I was 100%. How is it you get all those chairs anyway?
Lmao! Looks FUN!
5:07 I had to replace one of my axles too. In fact it was the one on the same side the lift was on. Cost me $314 too. I'd be driving down the highway / road and would hear sounds too. I brought it to a repair shop and the guy told me. Its a good thing you had this looked at. And i remember him saying that my axle was slowly beginning to get cut into. It had a ring around it where you could see it was slowly being cut in half. Now i know what to listen for, For the most part. I hope i don't hear that sound again.
lol I got my v6fronter up to 15 mph ..It will move on. I think my permobile only goes 6 mph I was so use to going slow. but my track chair lol I think it goes 5 miles a hour .but I take it any place I want to go I took it hunting one time and went in before daylight and set up and when day light come I was on a mountain looking down I tiled all the way back just to go down the road I was on lol . but got to have new battery's and they high
That's an awesome chair. I've got the pride fusion power reclining wheelchair, it only does 4mp.
How on earth do they justify $42,000 for that chair? My goodness.
Here I am 5 years later thinking I want to break a leg and make a fast wheelchair so I can’t get kicked out of stores for having fun
Still very little luck getting the sites I want out of my pronto. I wonder if I could get one of those cobblers for it.
I want one
excuse me sir,,i wan asking
i have electrik wheelchair chinese the market is FS-123 , if i wan to fast like in video what i must todo the speed just 6 km per hour in maximum,, i wan speed like that must change motor dc or gearbox or upgrade di battery to 48v,, but if i upgrade battery to 48v if safety for the motor dc i use,, i hope you can answer my question and have a good day sir, thank you
hey! so "most" electric motors can be run at higher voltage.. unless they're brushless.. then there's a bit more involved.. BUT modifications like this require an aftermarket motor controller..
if you can find different gears, or maybe just larger tires, sometimes you can get a little bit more speed. BUT you have to get up to 36, 42, or 48 volts if you REALLY wanna liven up a chair!
not gonna lie though.. it can get expensive, and time consuming to do this type of thing. I don't have a parts list right now for this type up upgrade.. but i hope in the future to build "speed upgraded" chairs, and / or maybe sell kits so people can do it themselves.. but that's a ways off in the future.. good luck out there!
You must be well off if you could even think about buying one of those Chairs, or would Medicare and Medicaid cover the cost?
im just thankful to be in a position to make videos for people to watch :^) medicare doesn't cover this particular chair. however, as of recently, 21st century scientific does offer a medicare billable model. the specs are a bit different, but still the same rugged build quality
Buckle up! Can you drive this on the highway? What’s the name of this power chair?😀
they called it the ultimate power chair. but unfortunately, its not being sold anymore :^/
What is the price of this wheelchair
they stopped selling the 16 MPH version unfortunately :^/
Hi. I love your videos. I really want to add some more power to my power chair. I don't have much money so cheaper is better. Any suggestions on where to start? Anyone please help.
What chair do ya have?
I just ordered a bounder 300m they don't sell the H frame no more or the Recaro seating. I've ordered the 300m but my insurance won't cover tha all terrain package or the speed upgrade. Do you still think I made the right choice. I'm searching for a charity that will fund the all terrain and speed upgrade. Any input from my disabled family. I'm in San Diego
stay tuned! I'm going to be checking out 2 of the new bounders in a couple weeks! i have yet to see the "new" ones in person :^)
@@TotallyNormal- great mines will be a 2020 new
hello how much is this wheelchair and where do you live
Ther is one that goes 70mph
Which Bounder model is this?
that's their old "ultimate power chair" but unfortunately its no longer being sold :^/
@@TotallyNormal- damn. That’s a shame. My quickie p222SE was stolen and I’ve been chairless for about 6 months. Do you have any recs for chairs with comparable speed and community use to the P222SE? (It’s been discontinued)
Hi Dan, thank you for the video; which led me to your channel videos. There is lots of good stuff there, thanks. I found you do to searching for the right power chair for me because I have a rare disease that will soon have me wheelchair-bound. I ran across a guy in the UK who has a blog about building his own Powerchairs. He explains his builds in detail. His latest build put together 78 Lithium batteries for more power, less weight, longer life, A Roboteq Controller to run 48 volts to the motors for high speed (16 mph), more torque, and long-distance (45 miles). He also uses an RC remote controller connected to the Roboteq controller so he can test, move his chairs, and even walk his dog from the warmth of his car. I believe he is worth checking out if you haven’t already. I wouldn't post his link without your permission. I want a powerchair with good capabilities on-road and off-road but I can't afford the cost of one, so I will probably purchase a good quality used chair and upgrade to my desires. Thanks again for the videos and let me know if you want the UK guy's link.
welcome to the club! hopefully the transition to chair life isnt too disturbing.. (poor attempt at humor lol - dont worry, you're not alone in all of this!) but yes - we're all aware of "the guy in the uk" lol ill leave it at that for now :^) are you going to be needing a full rehab chair with seating functions? or just a basic power chair?
@@TotallyNormal-, Thank you for your reply. I won't need a rehab therapy chair, just something to get me down to the river through 100 yards of dips, rocks, and some sand that I declined a few weeks ago because I knew I couldn't do on my own anymore. I have Kennedy Disease; my muscles are wasting away. I can still walk, and function around the house for now, but getting weaker each day. If I walked 200 feet and turned around to walk back, I may collapse from weakness before I got back. If I rest for an hour afterward I could maybe do another 100 feet. When I’m working in my garage, I mostly use a stool with casters to last the day. I built an Airplane back in 2011-2013 and flew it for about 8 months before I was feeling too weak to safely do what was necessary to maintain it and fly it. I kept it for another 4 years or so until the Doctors finally diagnosed me with Kennedy Disease, and I won't get better. I sold my Airplane which was part of my soul. Now I try to fill my day with stool scooting projects. That's why your Channel caught my attention as it looks like you do the same thing, no offense intended. I would like to know more about the UK guy, I wouldn’t want to end up with dead-end upgrades that I waste money on. Please advice.
@@TotallyNormal- Forgive me for the long whining session, I'm sure you have heard them all. Thanks for your channel.
I love your videos
This takes Bad Piggies to a whole new level.
not sure what that means.. but i like your style!
@@TotallyNormal- bad piggies is a video game
🤩
42k?
that was a spendy one for sure!
I get my chairs through medical insurance but I am thinking of saving up and getting me one of these eventually, or at least taking an older powerchair of mine and replacing the batteries with something better, and placing other wheels on it, even though it will not be much faster even if I adjust that, plus you don't want to kill the batteries.
So you prefer the Bounder over any other chair?
I typed a whole big long reply but didn't hit post!! LOL
well this is a tricky question.. there's many categories for 'favorite chair' but rear wheel drive chairs IMO are more difficult to use indoors etc.. BUT are great for commuting or longer distances!