The key thing here is that they would have to teach techniques that are simple enough for a fit young soldier to be able to pick up in a matter of just weeks, though possibly as little as days, or even just hours of training.
The problem with that is - it didnt work. But how did the soldiers survived combat, if those short trainings didnt work? Who is able to answer this question?
@@ryneagheilim9782 But we can speculate, right? We know, that 90% of close combat is fought with weapons. We have prove of that, because there are Special Forces shooting ppl in combat within 1 - 3 feet. And in WWII there was lot "long range" (100 meter) fighting... so h2h skills haven been that much of a need....
@ryneagheilim9782 UM NO THEY'RE NOT!! ❤ Most of them EVEN from 19-20's are LOVELY SENIORS living in Licensed Assisted Facilities, Licensed Home Care, Nursing Homes, and Home Assisted living. SOME ARE VERY much ALIVE! The rest as you say are definitely SPIRITS & Resting at all the fancy MEMORIAL Cemeteries. 👍 👍
@@TPSTraining NO, YOU don't need to speculate! YOU need to communicate with the LOVELY Veteran Senior's ❤ & Families with LOVE ONES from those time's! SENIORS from 19-20's are STILL living in Licensed Assisted Facilities, Licensed Home Care, Nursing Homes, and Home Assisted living. SOME ARE VERY much ALIVE! The rest are SPIRITS and resting WHERE they belong in all the fancy MEMORIAL Cemeteries. 👍 👍
My grandfather was First Special Service Forces. Devil's Brigade. Same unarmed combat training, I believe. I never knew about that until he died, and a bunch of old special forces guys showed up at his funeral. I was just a kid.
Hey that is some proper throws, nice to see working military techniques once in a while unlike many self proclaimed best martial arts used by other military
Love how when the guy in the black is getting his butt kicked he is in pain But when they guy says "i would like to see you try it" He is not in pain and gets up happy
Ya know this guy is the real deal, because he does it the actual speed of a fight. And not just the slowed down shit that every single martial arts video I see does where it is all literally slow as fuck.
He’s not demonstrating the O’Neill system. In fact, those gun disarms aren’t even from WW2 combatives, they are Krav Maga oriented. The only techniques show are the chin jab and chop of the knife hand. Typically a strike would happen after that step, not an immediate grab hold as demonstrated. WW2 combatives was direct and simple. Those disarms require a lot of training to get right under stress. WW2 stuff includes basic strikes, kicks and some throws. Pick up a WE Fairbairn book like Defendu or All-In Fighting for the real old rough stuff. There aren’t many Pat O’Neill manuals. Pick up the 1972 Army FM 21-250 manual to reference his basic syllabus.
Agree with you Sir! Fairbairn (Defendu) is the effective and simple combat system. The best teacher I have seen so far is the late Carl Cestari. May he RIP. 🙏
Britannia, The common wealth forces (Canada, ANZAC, etc.), US 1st Special service force, commandos & OSS, free French, free polish army and other allies cross trained in simple and brutally effective combatives. Much better than the watered does jujitsu the army teaches these days.
They need to go back to training for this type of hand to hand combat. The army combatives is SOOOOO lame!! They start off by teaching you moves that the instructors always say "you will never use this but we have to teach it anyway" while on your damn knees! Why would I want to get into some kind of Jiu Jitsu wrestling match while wearing 60 lbs. of gear WITH body armor? Why not use some of this old fashion stuff? I know that in levels 3 you're supposed to be a super bad ass, but lets face it most of the us army is NOT going to get to level 2 let alone level 3. The USMC's hand to hand stuff has always been much more affective in taking down an opponent. In the army you have to be in SF or in an actual Ranger Bat to learn the good shit. Marines as a whole don't need to be in Recon or any other socom outfit to learn the good shit. Or so I have been told. I knew I joined the wrong branch when I got to see Marines in action and had good friends who went to the USMC instead. In the army you always have to prove yourself no matter what cool guy school you've done. That gets annoying whereas in the USMC you don't have to prove shit after you make it through boot camp...you're a Marine! I've always heard that about the Marines. Once you graduate boot camp...youre a Marine. You proved yourself and don't need to prove yourself anymore. In the army you're always doubted no matter what you've done.
It's deemed "too dangerous"(I guess loaded guns are safe) Honestly real MMA training is good enough for the rare hand to hand fight But agreed, the bullshit fighting style taught in the military does little to nothing
Honestly, we were told it was to allow you to survive long enough for your buddies to finish the fight. That's pretty realistic in a COIN fight, but not much good if you're knee-deep in alligators.
j s, If you’re talking about racking the slide after you’ve disarmed the assailant and gained distance, it is to ensure that there is a round in the chamber should he or she go for another weapon or somehow continue to try to kill you.
Good chance there's not a round in the chamber. You always check, because at a crucial moment when you need to fire should the enemy pull another weapon or their Allie pop up you need to have your weapon fire immediately
This looks effective but its mainly theatre. Back in the 90s in martial training I brought a water pistol in when we were doing similar things and the results were a lot of wet t-shirts.... ie the trigger was pulled before the opponent got to carry out his Hollywood moves.
Well, any half way sensible instructor will/should tell you will first tell you that any such attempts against a firearm are very risky in the first place no matter wich move you attempt. That said. In practice both parties know thaand usually what you are going to try which makes a difference. All thatbsaid what i do not get mostly is why would you give up the biggest afvantage a fire arm has too offer. And get close with it in the first place ? Then again i have never pulled a gun on anyone so what do i know.
Don’t step back into the guys line of sight though after you take him to the ground and taken control of his weapon, Go where he can’t see you without turning his head Step towards the back of his head
If someone points a gun at you and haven't shot you already, then do as you're told - only resort to SD if you KNOW with 100% certainty that you're not coming away from this still being alive....
+GorillaGuerilla also, never let anyone take you anywhere is highest priority (as a civilian) even if they at the moment don't seem to intend to kill you
Dayaan Tabassum It's actually defendu, defendo refers to a different (but similar) martial art. Defendu was taught to the OSS by William fairbairn and to Dermot O'Neill, defendo was made by Bill Underwood in 1945 when the war ended.
Errr... yes this principle of fighting has been preached and practiced for centuries by warriors in nations in southeast asia indeed... it’s called Pencak Silat or Silat...
Look up Kelly McAnn, Bill Wolfe, Damian Ross on google. Udemy has a course on this also from a guy who learned from Damian Ross. I learn this stuff from watching videos of Kelly McAnn and practising with a friend.
Rangers and Commandos from Britain and Canada were the only spec ops in WW2. The rest were infantry troops whom are elite too in my book because they get more up and personal with the enemy. There was no Special Forces or SEALs back then. There were predecessors of SEALS which were the UDT and their predecessor but I'm not too sure about their status of being elite or being warrior troops of a different caliber. I'll have to do more research.
American WWII special operation units: U.S. 1st Ranger Battalion, Alamo Scouts, Casper's Cutthroats, Marine Corps Raiders and then there was the 1st Special Service Force aka Devil Brigade which was a mixture of American and Canadian soldiers trained in commando operations. These are just five elite American WWII spec. operations units.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Modern army combatives is far superior and everyone knows the stuff shown here was cheesy and didn't work.
For all you karati, mui thai, and krav magna guys out there, this is all derived from Aikido (or Hapkido having a Korean flag). Seriously? How can that be? That whimpy style? When he "attacks from all directions," I knew where he was going.
The key thing here is that they would have to teach techniques that are simple enough for a fit young soldier to be able to pick up in a matter of just weeks, though possibly as little as days, or even just hours of training.
The problem with that is - it didnt work. But how did the soldiers survived combat, if those short trainings didnt work? Who is able to answer this question?
@@TPSTraining
Most of the ones who survived the war have probably died of old age nowadays. We need to ask the British WWII Commandos for that.
@@ryneagheilim9782 But we can speculate, right?
We know, that 90% of close combat is fought with weapons. We have prove of that, because there are Special Forces shooting ppl in combat within 1 - 3 feet.
And in WWII there was lot "long range" (100 meter) fighting... so h2h skills haven been that much of a need....
@ryneagheilim9782 UM NO THEY'RE NOT!! ❤ Most of them EVEN from 19-20's are LOVELY SENIORS living in Licensed Assisted Facilities, Licensed Home Care, Nursing Homes, and Home Assisted living. SOME ARE VERY much ALIVE! The rest as you say are definitely SPIRITS & Resting at all the fancy MEMORIAL Cemeteries. 👍 👍
@@TPSTraining NO, YOU don't need to speculate! YOU need to communicate with the LOVELY Veteran Senior's ❤ & Families with LOVE ONES from those time's! SENIORS from 19-20's are STILL living in Licensed Assisted Facilities, Licensed Home Care, Nursing Homes, and Home Assisted living. SOME ARE VERY much ALIVE! The rest are SPIRITS and resting WHERE they belong in all the fancy MEMORIAL Cemeteries. 👍 👍
My dad, Master Sergeant (RIP) 3 theaters WW2 97th Infantry, trained Merrill's Marauders Hand to Hand combat.
A tough man 👍👍👍☘
🍻
Did he train you too?
My grandfather was First Special Service Forces. Devil's Brigade. Same unarmed combat training, I believe. I never knew about that until he died, and a bunch of old special forces guys showed up at his funeral. I was just a kid.
@@cameronrosen6910 A rare & deadly breed. Respect !!!
Hey that is some proper throws, nice to see working military techniques once in a while unlike many self proclaimed best martial arts used by other military
Excellent here. Even today's military train in martial arts. This here was very military. However I really liked the way this man flowed.
The interviewer surely had his revenge on the instructor.
This is true martial art. A soldier having combat field experience is a true sensei.
@@tatumergo3931 So to say psychology of where to hit and when to defend is a necessity during attacks.
Nice footage of Pat O'Neil
Love how when the guy in the black is getting his butt kicked he is in pain
But when they guy says "i would like to see you try it"
He is not in pain and gets up happy
I didn't know about O'Neill. I knew a little bit about AJ Biddle. God I love military history.
Ya know this guy is the real deal, because he does it the actual speed of a fight. And not just the slowed down shit that every single martial arts video I see does where it is all literally slow as fuck.
yeah Robby is the real deal and very very good at what he does. I am privilidged to call him a friend.
We got a couple of badasses here
Really cool to see some Aikido elements in some of these techniques!
The majority of these techniques came from William Fairbairn who had spent decades learning through street fights as a cop in Shanghai.
It's more like old school jujutsu aikido came from that
Very smooth and not complicated!
In war fighting isn't about having perfect technique it's about survival not a bjj match
I love these pre-olympic Judo/Japanese Jujitsu techniques. They seem forgotten and not taught like it should today unfortunately .
He’s not demonstrating the O’Neill system. In fact, those gun disarms aren’t even from WW2 combatives, they are Krav Maga oriented. The only techniques show are the chin jab and chop of the knife hand. Typically a strike would happen after that step, not an immediate grab hold as demonstrated. WW2 combatives was direct and simple. Those disarms require a lot of training to get right under stress. WW2 stuff includes basic strikes, kicks and some throws. Pick up a WE Fairbairn book like Defendu or All-In Fighting for the real old rough stuff. There aren’t many Pat O’Neill manuals. Pick up the 1972 Army FM 21-250 manual to reference his basic syllabus.
Krav Maga was created in 1948. And is based upon other martial arts. So guess where KM got its techniques from?
Agree with you Sir! Fairbairn (Defendu) is the effective and simple combat system. The best teacher I have seen so far is the late Carl Cestari. May he RIP. 🙏
Sykes and fairburn
I would love to get some training with this guy. He is a one man army.
CHECKOUT AMERICAN DEFENDO HERE ON UA-cam!
I trained with him as well, great instructor!
@@Sean-ig9jk
Does he still teach ?
If so Where ?
hey that reminds me of what they used in MGS! (solid snake! ) kool stuff man!
Try to remember some of the basics of CQC
Bless, so wholesome
I don't know why but all I could think was "Kick his ass Sea Bass!" hehe -movie quote.
Remember the basics of CQC
Bravo
0:34 Watch this at 0.5x playback speed.
Thank me later
Who is the instructor demonstrating the WWII combatives techniques?
Robbie Cressman
follow-up vid: finishing moves
They seem pretty close to what the Marines still do. Anyone know which country used these tactics
Britannia, The common wealth forces (Canada, ANZAC, etc.), US 1st Special service force, commandos & OSS, free French, free polish army and other allies cross trained in simple and brutally effective combatives. Much better than the watered does jujitsu the army teaches these days.
BEFORE WORLD WAR II THE CHINA MARINES WHO GUARDED THE EMBASSY. LEARNED THESE TECHNIQUES FROM MAJOR FAIRBORNE, THEN CHIEF OF POLICE IN SHANGHAI!!
The guys face in the thumbnail be like: 🥺
I like special forces combat
Who is the instructor and which WW2 combatives system is he teaching/showing here?
Me
@@uuuultra OK, who are you?
Damn now i see why eyeless jack would kick jeff the killers ass
good shit I have those books kill or get killed by Rex Applegate, get tough fairbairn etc
He's pretty good.
DefendU****
You're pretty good
Like everything else things evolve. We stand on the shoulder of giants
WE Fairbane, Bill Underwood etc.
Basic iriminage in aikido yeah will work against a novice knife thrust. But have u tried a silat or kali exponent attack?
They need to go back to training for this type of hand to hand combat. The army combatives is SOOOOO lame!! They start off by teaching you moves that the instructors always say "you will never use this but we have to teach it anyway" while on your damn knees! Why would I want to get into some kind of Jiu Jitsu wrestling match while wearing 60 lbs. of gear WITH body armor? Why not use some of this old fashion stuff? I know that in levels 3 you're supposed to be a super bad ass, but lets face it most of the us army is NOT going to get to level 2 let alone level 3. The USMC's hand to hand stuff has always been much more affective in taking down an opponent. In the army you have to be in SF or in an actual Ranger Bat to learn the good shit. Marines as a whole don't need to be in Recon or any other socom outfit to learn the good shit. Or so I have been told. I knew I joined the wrong branch when I got to see Marines in action and had good friends who went to the USMC instead. In the army you always have to prove yourself no matter what cool guy school you've done. That gets annoying whereas in the USMC you don't have to prove shit after you make it through boot camp...you're a Marine! I've always heard that about the Marines. Once you graduate boot camp...youre a Marine. You proved yourself and don't need to prove yourself anymore. In the army you're always doubted no matter what you've done.
Real jiu jitsu starts standing. Ground is newaza/bjj.
It's deemed "too dangerous"(I guess loaded guns are safe)
Honestly real MMA training is good enough for the rare hand to hand fight
But agreed, the bullshit fighting style taught in the military does little to nothing
This was the original ju jutsu but they watered it down in time
phillyphilhouse79 Grappling arts are historically warriors arts. Jiujitsu is where these were derived. Don’t underestimate its effectiveness.
Honestly, we were told it was to allow you to survive long enough for your buddies to finish the fight. That's pretty realistic in a COIN fight, but not much good if you're knee-deep in alligators.
Anyone know how to look up Robbie Cressman? Can hardly find a thing on him.
where is this instructor school
Canada. His name is Robbie Cressman.
super good thing dude keeps droppin that knife..someone mighta gotten hurt
But why do you have to reload the gun if he has it pointed at you
j s,
If you’re talking about racking the slide after you’ve disarmed the assailant and gained distance, it is to ensure that there is a round in the chamber should he or she go for another weapon or somehow continue to try to kill you.
Good chance there's not a round in the chamber. You always check, because at a crucial moment when you need to fire should the enemy pull another weapon or their Allie pop up you need to have your weapon fire immediately
Where are the cool combative trainings in the northeast of the USA?
who is the instructor? is this a combative school or martial arts academy?
Robbie Cressman. He's based out of Canada.
01:16 "Got it."
Looks like Steven Seagull, fighting. If you don't fight back everything works!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What style is this called as well?
Who is the instructor? What’s his school called?
This looks effective but its mainly theatre. Back in the 90s in martial training I brought a water pistol in when we were doing similar things and the results were a lot of wet t-shirts.... ie the trigger was pulled before the opponent got to carry out his Hollywood moves.
@Big Mike aka Heavy Mike Private school Mike
Well, any half way sensible instructor will/should tell you will first tell you that any such attempts against a firearm are very risky in the first place no matter wich move you attempt. That said. In practice both parties know thaand usually what you are going to try which makes a difference. All thatbsaid what i do not get mostly is why would you give up the biggest afvantage a fire arm has too offer. And get close with it in the first place ? Then again i have never pulled a gun on anyone so what do i know.
Yea, but it wouldn't work on the streets...
which part?
@@djangounchained307 I was being sarcastic..
*Who is this instructor? What's his background? Does he teach at a dojo? Inquiring minds want to know!
Who is the instructor?
Wow 😮
Snake vs Boss
Don’t step back into the guys line of sight though after you take him to the ground and taken control of his weapon, Go where he can’t see you without turning his head Step towards the back of his head
Or just stomp on his head. 🤷♂️
100% aikido techniques
If someone points a gun at you and haven't shot you already, then do as you're told - only resort to SD if you KNOW with 100% certainty that you're not coming away from this still being alive....
Self defense is never 100% certain.
+GorillaGuerilla he's demonstrating the techniques of a soldier, not a civilian. Whole different needs
+GorillaGuerilla also, never let anyone take you anywhere is highest priority (as a civilian) even if they at the moment don't seem to intend to kill you
IamHueGraves that's where the thing about certainty come in!
It all comes down to having sense of the situation!
GorillaGuerilla my point was that nobody can have neutral intention if they take you somewhere, that's not just your wallet / purse
My bad, Jason Bourne.
A lot is owed to Kung Fu
A lot is owed to an Irish man who policed Shanghai gangsters!
To do what he just did reminded me of Systema a Russian martial art. I mean during WW2 Russians were at the centre of the conflict.
Does anyone have an idea of which war had the most hand to hand combat?
Yes, quite likely one that is long forgotten and never recorded. Hence the invention of actual weapons.
that war with the indians
Guys in the thumbnail look like they're doing the opposite of fighting...
What's the name of this fighting style?
combato(defendo)
not o'neill, bill underwood .
i'm talking about the guy in the video and where his stuff comes from ,but i see were you're coming from .
reggie bowles ok thanks
Dayaan Tabassum It's actually defendu, defendo refers to a different (but similar) martial art. Defendu was taught to the OSS by William fairbairn and to Dermot O'Neill, defendo was made by Bill Underwood in 1945 when the war ended.
big boss?
Knife one might work, but those gun disarms are no bueno. Unless it's empty of course
Errr... yes this principle of fighting has been preached and practiced for centuries by warriors in nations in southeast asia indeed... it’s called Pencak Silat or Silat...
Probably where they had the techniques from?
👌
Any site of this instructor course??
Look up Kelly McAnn, Bill Wolfe, Damian Ross on google. Udemy has a course on this also from a guy who learned from Damian Ross. I learn this stuff from watching videos of Kelly McAnn and practising with a friend.
Shoes on the mats?!
0:45
Tiger style
Who is the man in this video demonstrating technique?
Me
I bet most people could almost pull off those fancy movies just before some fella with a cocked wheel gun blew a hole in em.
Generally no one is going to get that close to you with a gun during war.
0:22 guy looks like a restarted
Hmm ,,okay
No way that little bitty man did that to that big man, no way.
Stop one NCAA single or double leg 😂
He forgot to restomp the groin. He needs to watch more Master Ken.
Other guy says at around 35seconds, "can we play". Just like most m.a. its adults playing.
is Pat O'Neil still alive?
Pat O'Neill died in 1985
@@crisanderson5176Oh. Sorry.
Rangers and Commandos from Britain and Canada were the only spec ops in WW2. The rest were infantry troops whom are elite too in my book because they get more up and personal with the enemy. There was no Special Forces or SEALs back then. There were predecessors of SEALS which were the UDT and their predecessor but I'm not too sure about their status of being elite or being warrior troops of a different caliber. I'll have to do more research.
The 1st Special Service Force
American WWII special operation units: U.S. 1st Ranger Battalion, Alamo Scouts, Casper's Cutthroats, Marine Corps Raiders and then there was the 1st Special Service Force aka Devil Brigade which was a mixture of American and Canadian soldiers trained in commando operations. These are just five elite American WWII spec. operations units.
You guys are forgetting the OSS and SOE Jedburgh teams.
The Germans has the Brandenburgers in ww2, almost all countries had some type of commando unit
SAS & SBS.
SOE, RM & Army Commandos, as mentioned.
it’s just Hollywood hocus pocus,, that’s not how real life works
These techniques were derived (partially) from William E. Fairbairn, who had 600 recorded street fights and the scars to prove it.
The knife attack was not realistic, therefore neither was the defense.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Modern army combatives is far superior and everyone knows the stuff shown here was cheesy and didn't work.
Trump 2016, y'all.
For all you karati, mui thai, and krav magna guys out there, this is all derived from Aikido (or Hapkido having a Korean flag). Seriously? How can that be? That whimpy style? When he "attacks from all directions," I knew where he was going.
useless
Guys in the thumbnail look like they're doing the opposite of fighting...