Early Twists and Turns! | Leg 3 01/03 | The Ocean Race Show
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2023
- Niall Myant-Best is back for Leg 3, breaking down all the latest news from the IMOCA fleet as they make their way towards Itajaí! The first few days have been full of drama, with the latest development being that GUYOT environnement - Team Europe have decided to turn back towards Cape Town after discovering structural problems with the boat!
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Please come home safely, everyone!
As always an excellent report from Niall,a total professional and informative way of breaking down the race and what the crew are going through.THe best sailing commentator out there
Fantastic for a novice like me
Wow! To someone who has only sailed a few times inshore in very calm conditions, its amazing how brutal the ocean is when you hear it from inside a racing shell like that at the end!
The shot of Biotherm leaping is so amazing!
and scary
And now with a damage it seems, because they have turned away.
Hi! No damage, just light winds. Biotherm in good spirits.
@@TheOceanRace Check the current status of the stage on the tracker with the weather function and you can easy see why even 11 Hour Racing has been sailing almost in place for more than 12 hours in a big high pressure area, while Holcimb is rushing further and further away with 17 - 20 knots. They are now in the lead with more than 270 nautical miles and it is still increasing.
Thanks for this great coverage and to all the folks making the race possible. For us amateur offshore racers who are currently stuck at our desks this stuff breathes life into our days!
To all the people saying the boats are too fragile: well, you're not wrong, but it's not the whole story.
The IMOCAs are designed light, and the (mostly) French sailors and organisers are OK with a high level of attrition, 60-70% in some races. It plays into the hero-navigator mythos. A race that everyone can finish is obviously not tough enough, and/or the competitors aren't pushing hard enough. The French in particular worship the guy who finished a month late with his boat in tatters and a broken arm almost as much as they laud the winner.
Yes, it's dangerous, and yes, they have huge problems with rescue in the Southern Ocean (in fact the dubious record for the most remote rescues anywhere on the planet belongs to Vendee Globe competitors). But the appetite for risk is more akin to mountaineers than weekend sailors, and in fact even in an IMOCA the Southern Ocean is less lethal than the upper reaches of K2, for example.
The Southern Ocean and Cape Horn is still in front of and it is just day 4 and Biotherm also seem to have problems because they turned away to south.
Jaime Metcher, well said.
Awesome coverage. Thank you!
Big respect to all sailors on these boats! It looks like riding a rodeo horse...
Great expectations! Thanks a lot!
Crazy stuff! Thanks for the show!
Going to be interesting to see if these rocketships are strong enough to be flying through the Southern Ocean. I hope everybody stays safe. Watching from my comfortable sofa is terrifying enough..
Great video and commenting! Hats off!
Thanks, perfect explanation
great show! Thanks again. I second impressions about the imocas seemingly being quite fragile...hopefully they'll all come through in one piece...
The sailors are so very incredible. Intense and focused but making good decisions. How difficult!
I’m not sure how - but these episodes keep getting better and better. Thanks for taking the time to show us what is happening and why!
Thank you once again for your excellent coverage, analysis, interviews, and the amazing on-board reporting! Let's hope Guyot can be repaired quickly and safely and the team can get back in the race. I still cannot believe that soft shackle or loop of Dyneema on Biotherm snapped like that. The forces pulling that boom must have been outrageously enormous to break like that. Did they replace it with a double loop? Is that rig set-up the same or similar on the other IMOCAs?
Great explanations! One thing that I think might be helpful is actually using the term apparent wind. I know it was somewhat discussed in the gybe explanation, but the word wasn't used. And maybe a model :) Many, many years ago when I was learning to sail we (mechanical engineer father) made a model with a boat and sail and a fan to talk about points of sailing. Not sure that would help understand apparent wind .... 😏 **Edit to add: Thank you for the globe illustration! Sam Davies, in an interview, said something about the leg being a circumnavigation of Antarctica and I didn't take time to figure that out!
What about going to an on wind course and make a tack insead a jybe and then bear away?
@@alfredrennert7885 As a young, small boat, lake sailor/racer … I would do that if winds were very gusty … on monohull but not on something like a small cat AND I don’t think it is an option (viable option) on an IMOCA60 ocean sailing with wave/swell/speed. I think Niall’s gybe explanation as well as what 11th hour did are IMOCA60/ocean options.
**Edit on a small boat (monohull) going downwind the sails are likely nearly wing and wing or broad reach trim.. But on an IMOCA60, at speed with the apparent wind moving forward, they are more likely on something like a close or beam reach (sail trim). If they did what amounts to a nearly 360 they would be crosswise to potentially huge seas in the maneuver, slowing quite a lot and potentially having to back sails making for more of a risk than a controlled gybe ... I think :) ... all of this is just a guess on my part but it is what I mean by thinking that a tack and bear away is not a viable option for them.
Hi Alfred! It's been done before, but the waves are so big in the Southern Ocean that turning all the way up to face them, cross them, and down to the other side, is also a huge risk.
Whoa!..it's the hard sailng poetry of the Southern Ocean..Coleridge and Yeats..just astern..
Just wanted to take the moment and wish the best of luck, safe winds, and following seas to all the sailors out there.
Stay safe, and come home in one piece - that's what matters the most. Everything else comes second. :) I know it is easy being an armchair captain from afar, given that I do not have the pressure of expectations, sponsorship, and the like upon my shoulders - but in the end, I can only imagine the constant strain and load put on both the sailors and boats, so I imagine that safety is everyone's first priority
this is wild!
Hard to see this leg being safe with this amount of issues already. Rescue services available where they are now, but later...? I don't know the specs on the IMOCA, but I know sailing and have seen delamination...
Here’s a fun fact- see how easy it was for Niall to show the Southern Ocean route on the globe because it was a tilting globe and not a fixed one where the North Pole is always up and the South Pole is always down? In the US, the National Geographic Society made only fixed globes at first, until the Society President realized it made it hard for him to follow the Society’s own Antarctic expeditions. So since then, they make tilting globes.
Respect
Great videos showing conditions! Controlling mainsail/boom on jibe will keep the vessel in the race otherwise….
Safe journey Guyot
Great show ! Would it be possible to add the wind on the map animation ?
use the botton on the left to switch on the wind animation.
Use the buttons at the top to get a forecast.
@@peterebel7899 Thx but I already knew. I meant in their video
Will the finish line of this leg be live broadcast?
As said below, "Going to be interesting to see if these rocketships are strong enough to be flying through the Southern Ocean." Seems to be a lot more breakages already, compared to previous editions.
With the masthead cracked on Malizia, wondering if any of these boats are going to make it to Brazil safely
IT’s happend on every race. I hope Malizia can fix it! And lets hope Guyot can adres there issue on shore
I Like your style, to commentate, Sir :)
Great, congrats ⛵️⛵️⛵️⛵️👍
Thanks for your show. All the clips so far on this channel are so confusing.
What is confusing you? These videos have great explanations for everyone to follow along, from less experienced sailors to complete non-sailors. Happy to answer any questions if I know the answer.
Not convinced these boats are meant to sail around the world and especially the southern ocean……two boats broken before they cleared the harbour…….now another boat is heading back to South Africa….its it possible no one will finish?
Abu Dhabi dropped the mast just after leaving Alicante. It’s sailboat racing, this happens! Now it’s about fixing it and try to get back in the race!
Now biotherm also with problems. Stopped on its tracks doing 3kts
@@paulovalefernandes7080With Biotherm the third boat is struggling and 280 miles behind. Just the 4. day.
Thi is what can happen when things are carried to the limit in search of the ultimate speed. The same like in car racing, where if you push the engines too far, you have mote power, but probably at the cost of reliability
What about The Vendée Globe ? Skipper alone on same boat .. bravo.
I just wonder, what about the VO 65 ?
Loosing the C0 is a real handicap for Malizia. Such a bummer for Boris again.
And a crack in the mast
What kind of watch is that?
Interesting race and comments, but we see that the IMOCA of Kevin Escofier, who is "only" top 5 in the IMOCA world, and is on a brand new boat that is probably not even close to its performance potential, is consistently ahead of competition whatever the wind and sea conditions.
With the current weather pattern, it seems that Holcim PRB caught the right train while the others are stuck in low wind. They will have a 200+ miles lead by end of day and then will be able to reduce the risk level and manage their lead.
It reveals how incredibly high the level of competition is on the Route du Rhum or the Vendree Globe.
After years of experience & endless data, how can the headsail jump out of the lock & not have a backup system? you win the race from other people's mistakes, you just have to make less than the others.
Turns out, the mast broke.
A) Why isn't there any coverage of the VO65s please? B) Why don't the sailors just have swinging hammocks? Seems more logical to me. C) Y'all are all awesome. Keep it up.
VO65s are sailing only a few legs on the Atlantic, The rest is only for IMOCAs.
@@fabianwinter52 Ooooooh. Thanks for the info. :) I wish they'd do the whole race though.
@@robertohofmann6939 I agree with you. Bring back the 65s !!!!
A swinging hammock would be fun for 5 seconds only 😐 The full range of motions out there would make for an even harder ride. It's good to just be still when resting at sea.
Where’re VO65???
They were much better than this cage with canvas!😡
Didn't several seasons ago on the vo70s a team braced delam while still racing? These imacas seem to be a bit fragile than the boats of the past editions
They are different beasts yes. Quite a lot lighter. Mapfre had the same in 14/15 during the s.o leg
Hi! You prove you have a good memory! These boats are built differently and with the damaged panel so close to the centre line of the boat, something like that was not an option.
@@TheOceanRace as a certified aircraft mechanic and currently working in space launch industry, the mechanical issues and repairs are the fun part for me!
That's a nightmare sound 17:30
Why not cleat the halyard so if the head jumps out of the lock the whole sail doesn't fall?
I would guess that exactly this cleat failed.
On these boats there is a hook on top of the mast. You would only use the halyard to hoist the sail up to the hook, then release the halyard once it's hooked. And then tension the sail from the bottom (like a Cunningham)
Can the halyard be secured without causing it to release from the lock? Like just a light trnsion or slack so if the lock fails then the halyard holds the sail. Thus trim is not good but not laying in the water or deck.
Hi Corvus! As other have said, you can't leave tension on the halyard because that would cause the lock to open thinking you want to adjust the sail. However, that wasn't what happened here, turns out the lock at the top broke and the tension on the halyard ripped into the mast. We'll be looking at this in detail on Friday.
Dommage qu'il n'y ait pas des sous titre en français et autres langues
If you go to the settings for the subtitles = press and hold "CC" in the top middle, then "translate automatically" appears, among other things, click your language here; But translation is not always perfect... 😏
Sailing dead downind I find it hard to believe they could sail away from the wind.
That's the most polite was I could say this.
Riding a bike downwind at some point when going faster you don’t feel the wind, that’s when you gybe.
@@dnarowdy Yes. I've been a sailor for 60 years. You can't exceed windspeed dead downwind though.
@@FixNewsPlease Your comment is absolutely right, but in a steady state. This is a gybe.
You can gybe through dead downwind sailing faster than the true wind speed if you carry your momentum and are surfing on a wave. For example, broad reach at 40 kn in a 25 kn breeze, gybe on a wave slowing down to 30 kn as you pass stern-to-wind, and the apparent wind at that moment will be 5 kn from the bow, meaning no load on the rig. Impossible for a solo sailor but not for a full crew with practice.
@@rhopkins111 Yes. But you know the statement in the video that rankled me.
Bauer Becking sailed on real boat though.
I have been watching the race and I want to know why these birdy boats are being used? I call them birdy boats cause they seem so fragile to handle the real weather and ocean. They are breaking down so fast. And now they are going through the harshest part of the world in extreme weather. I hope they all make it. And is there an emergency place for them go to once they get past Australia?
After Australia and NZ there are islands very far north. The next major land is South America. As for these birdy boats, they are actually designed and built for another major race called the Vendee Globe, which they do with only one sailor onboard and nonstop. So they can do it, but damage is something that just happens on sailing boats being races across oceans. The only reason to call them birdy boats, which is really cute by the way, is because they really do fly.
@@RicardoDinizPortugal yes they do fly as we saw with Biotherm.. I guess I just like the V065 from previous years. I am still watching this for sure as I want to see how they all manage.
@@RicardoDinizPortugal thank you for the explanation on the other race too. I learned something new today about sailing. 🙂🙂🙂
Delam on the old Hugo Boss... Just me or isn't that history repeating itself?
Isn’t 11th Hour Racing the old Hugo Boss? Or were both of them part of that program?
Can Guyot legitimately skip a leg? Is she only forfeiting those points? Not too fussed about fairness and all that but by avoiding this leg and resting puts them in a nice place for the remainder, plus there's the wearing down and resilience of both the crew and the boat that won't be examined? Option 1: repair boat and resume leg. Option 2: see option 1. Option 3. See option 2.
The boat's design and features are coming under heavy scrutiny but if you're an engineer not having an Unintended Consequence named after you means you weren't trying hard enough. What a race!
Hi Peter! In the past, teams that have been forced to miss a leg have found themselves out of practice or behind in their development of what's fast. For our sailors, they would all prefer more time in the water, as time in the water means learning something new.
@@TheOceanRace So many variables, thanks for taking the time
@@peterclark6290 This is a double point leg. By skipping it, there is no way that they can win the race.
3 boats with damage and we're only a few days out. I think these boats are too fragile to handle this leg of the race. should have stayed with the old VO 65's.
I disagree. The only damaged boat is Guyot. Biotherm and Malizia issues are not linked to how fragile or strong those boats are. When you look at the VoR in the last VoR, you’ll figure out that similar structural damages have also been experienced, making your comment invalid.
@@philippesails4973 i'm just saying it's early days and they have a long way to go in heavy winds and waves. i hope as a fan the boats and crews can handle it but not looking great so far.
perhaps it's not a good idear to sail these IMOCAS with a crew of 5 in the Southern Ocean. As said by another commentator these boats are constructed for the VENDE GLOBE as a single handed boat. And with a crew of 5 you sail them much harder of course.
That footage of Biotherm jibing showed how it was the crews fault for having the main too loose . Hope they don't make that kind of mistake in the Southern Ocean!
I pray that we, the eager and enthusiastic public, don't push the fleet to a point of tragedy. Seeing these boats fly on a foil at 20 to 30 knots, seems unsustainable to me. Yes, of course, they are all CAD designed, state of the art. I hope I am wrong, and all arrive in itajai healthy. But, I have a sneaky feeling, this leg will end in Australia.
That H/B BOAT has never made it into the southern ocean its to fragile for what ever reason, bad resin, scantlings to light??
Time to Go Back to Old School Boats! The Tech is cool , but can't handle the pounding! Get Back to Basics!
The port race in Cape Town was too much. Too many unnecessary damages.
While the port race is a spectacle, the main race is the ocean race and the port race should not impair that.
Fast and fragile boats…….
Where’re VO65s???
They were much better than this cage with canvas!😡
cockpits and autopilots is not the Ocean Race for me. crappy inside crew footage
Note to the commentator, the term is called apparent wind. Also there’s no shame in doing a chicken jibe,”just saying”.
I think he knows the term but he is explained it as simply as possible. I chicken gybe my Open 60 when solo in some breeze. Less chances off things being ripped off the deck.
lost interest after the 65's were out
Ocean Race, with these boats on the southern ocean? Bad choice of boats...only 5 teams!!! You should come back to boats similar to the VO65, but bigger and more advanced. Racing was better. Images where better. Shameful choices of the organization.
5:38 how are that boats safer and better then Imocas? Everybody is wrong except you? Enjoy it or leave it
Hopefully that’s what will happen in the next edition, or at least a two-fleet race with both IMOCA and a new TO-(number) class. For now we’re all just muddling along and dealing with pandemic disruptions.
@@zoepaulastrassfield2664 Problem is they need a big titel sponsor to throw in the cash. Need to make a new TO-(number) class ore maintain the V65 properly so they can get insurances for the V65. as it's the reason for the v65 not sailing in the southern ocean leg’s this time.
What?
This race was open for you being boats and the brave IMOCAs.
It turned out there is only the money for the IMOCA teams. Why didn't you spend the money?
BTW. It is very arguable sailing on IMOCAs to be less safe than in the big classes.
@@klaatii No one will end this leg!!! Three boats already with severe problems and only 3 days have gone by. The VO65 would be charging full speed! That has already been said by the VO65 skippers that are now in the IMOCA´s. VO65 were strong...very strong. I hope no one dies.
Is this really the best you are capable of, rerun and rerun the CapeTown leg of the race which we have seen over and over again for the last 3 days from 100 000 angles. This is an Ocean race I'm sure you can find some more footage or other things to show us, for G-D sake man, this is the worst reporting of a sport even I have ever witnessed.
But then imagine doing all that on your own in one of those boats. That’s nuts.