Solving The Folder, Tags, Links Debate With MOCs (Maps of Content)

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  • @aidanhelfant
    @aidanhelfant  11 місяців тому +1

    Want to apply the learnings from the video into your school coursework?
    Check out my FREE course 3 Days To Supercharging Your School Learning With MOCs In Obsidian!: course.aidanhelfant.com/3daystosuperchargingyourschoollearningwithmocsinobsidian

  • @ruckboger
    @ruckboger Рік тому +24

    Thank you for giving an example of a MOC in the first 2 mins. Whereas it takes other UA-camrs half an hour to do the same thing.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +4

      I appreciate it! I like combining theory with actionable examples.

  • @mageprometheus
    @mageprometheus Рік тому +39

    Good stuff. A table of content is fine for a book. An index is a sorted list but we have a flexible search which is superior. A MOC is a map structure that, rather than being spatially organised in the traditional sense, is cognitively organised. I think the important enhancement of a MOC is the context added around the links. Subbed.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +6

      Appreciate it a ton! Love your point about a MOC being more than just spatially organized but cognitively organized as well.

  • @captglasspac
    @captglasspac 9 місяців тому +4

    This is a way better "from the ground up" explanation of the creation and usage of MOCs than I've seen from other UA-camrs. Great Job

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  9 місяців тому +1

      Thanks!
      I'm glad you liked it.

  • @Haze_Loto
    @Haze_Loto Рік тому +5

    I am a newbie with Zotero, Obsidian and Zettelkasten and it was really confusing how to organizaze all my knowledge. Thanks, you made my way clearer.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +1

      I'm so glad to hear that!
      MOCs are my favorite way to organize in Obsidian. They are so simple.

  • @TheWishDragon
    @TheWishDragon Рік тому +5

    This was a fun thing to watch, thanks for giving us a peek. I didn't know what an MOC was until today but I was already doing this and I called them "root files" now I know what I call them. Thanks!

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the response!
      It's people like you why I keep creating.

  • @shaunbags2
    @shaunbags2 Рік тому +4

    Thanks for the explanation Aidan, I've got a pretty clear picture of how I want to set mine up now. I've been organically heading this way as I get more information into obsidian, but your videos have been very helpful 👍

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      No problem! What are some of the MOCs you would like to create in the future?

    • @shaunbags2
      @shaunbags2 Рік тому +1

      @@aidanhelfant I've got the 3 main areas in my life currently: personal, professional work and home business.
      I need to keep these separate but there are cross links between them all.
      From the home MOC I'll be able to touch on all the major MOC's inside on these areas while adding some context and flow.

  • @Делірій
    @Делірій Рік тому +2

    Hi! I’am feeling so inspired from your videos! I am now in an active search for a note-taking system and there are so mush of them! Even only regarding obsidian! And i cant decide which one to chose, what to structure logic to use, how to organize notes and how exactly to write them! It is so complicated question for mw that i actually cant start taking any notes already! But i feel like your approach is what i need. Very interesting take on organization, while pretty simple and without any unnecessary for start complexity! Thank for your content bro!

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      Thanks so much for your kindhearted reply!
      I'm glad to hear you resonate with my notetaking philosophy.

  • @andrewpullins8817
    @andrewpullins8817 Рік тому +4

    8:55 Obsidian will add the slash when you have two notes with the same name. You dragged a specific note that happened to live in the cards folder. There is probably another note with that same name living somewhere else in your vault.

  • @deila8537
    @deila8537 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you! I just started using obsidian, this was really helpful!

  • @cervezafria4807
    @cervezafria4807 Рік тому

    I was struggling to use obsidian and i was about to give up, and this video gave an idea to use MOCs that work for me. Thanks a lot man.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      I'm so glad to hear that. MOCs simplified Obsidian a ton for me as well.

  • @Muracia
    @Muracia 4 місяці тому

    This was fantastic! Thank you for sharing, I'll definitely be changing up a few things to improve my Zettelkasten.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  4 місяці тому +1

      No problem, glad you are inspired. Excited to see how that goes for you!

  • @RayDragonfly
    @RayDragonfly Рік тому +3

    It's interesting to see that I had already thought up how to organise my notes in this fasion before starting.
    Thanks for the information :)

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      No problem!
      Have a great rest of your day!

  • @rinleeds
    @rinleeds 5 місяців тому

    Youre an incredibly amazing wise person for the young man that you are. Can you tell me though, how do you set it up that each note you create goes automatically into your ENCOURNTERS folder so you can sort them later?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  5 місяців тому

      If you go to settings in Obsidian you can make it so that new notes automatically go to the encounters folder in the files and links section

  • @samuellewis3991
    @samuellewis3991 Рік тому +1

    Good job dude. Can you do one on how to use the "spaces" concept? I have no idea why it's beneficial, especially when each space has its own full MAPS framework, it really throws me off.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +1

      That's a cool idea but I suggest you watch Nick Milo's ACCESS folder framework which I link in the description. He explains it more in depth.

    • @samuellewis3991
      @samuellewis3991 Рік тому

      @@aidanhelfant I did watch it. It didn't help, tbh. He said to "deploy MAPS" but I don't see the benefit of having all 4 of those things. It might be projects and support notes at most, tbh.

  • @om6418
    @om6418 Рік тому +1

    I Like mocs, but i dont Like how the Graph View Looks If you use links for mocs. So i use Tags and Data View for mocs. What do u think?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      I can't give you a detailed analysis of how that would work because I don't do it myself but I love how you are personalizing your vault to you.
      So if it's working for you than I'm all for it!

  • @jarofcode9672
    @jarofcode9672 6 місяців тому +1

    I have a different system. I create a note about a dog, then a note about dog food, a note about a leash, and many other similar notes. Then I create a note about a cat and other notes that relate to it. After a while I see: Hey I already have a lot of notes and many of them link to the note about the dog and many to the note about the cat. I create a blank L3 animals note. I link the note about the dog and the note about the cat just to L3 animals. I have several more similar blank notes L3 People, L3 cars, L3 computers. I create blank notes L2 creatures and L2 machines. I link L3 animals and L3 people to L2 creatures. I link L3 cars and L3 computers to L2 machines. The final step is to link all L2 to L1 Home. I have the Backlinks plugin enabled, so I can see backlinks in the empty L's, which are the table of contents. Everything from L1 leads through L2 to L3 where the final backlink is the main note, which also has backlinks to minor notes. In fact, I just make sure, when creating a new note, that it is linked to similar notes. The note that has the most backlinks leads to L3. And so on.

    • @jarofcode9672
      @jarofcode9672 6 місяців тому +1

      I just wanted to add that if it follows the restriction: L2 can only lead to L1, L3 can only lead to one or many L2s, notes can lead to other notes and notes that have the most backlinks can lead to one or many L3s, then I get something like a neural network. For example, if I want to link two L3s together, then it aggregates them into a new L2, I don't even have to look at the notes. This gives new crazy connections. What if I write a very valuable note that matches only the L2? I duplicate the empty L2 to the L3 level. This also gives opportunities because I can assign this duplicated L3 to yet another L2!

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  6 місяців тому +1

      This is awesome!
      Thanks for so vividly describing the way your system. It sounds similar to MOCs but uses backlinks more heavily. If it works for you, go for it. The fact you are even thinking about how to look at your knowledge from both a bottom up and top down fashion is awesome enough.

  • @eldengarrett9153
    @eldengarrett9153 2 місяці тому

    Tags don't refactor if you decide you want to change it later.
    Folders force you to give a note a singular category and is cumbersome to organise whenever you make a note that doesn't neatly fit into the existing categories.
    Links don't have these problems and so stand out as the superior solution, as well as being able to explain what the overarching linking idea is about (given every link is a note)

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Місяць тому

      Great notes! Love how you applied the ideas in the comments.

  • @RealCapitalNotes
    @RealCapitalNotes Рік тому +1

    Great content, do you offer your templates anywhere? Or do you specify in writing anywhere your tag taxonomy and folder set up etc? I see it in videos but would be great to see in article form. Thanks for sharing all of this.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      I have a tag taxonomy page on my published obsidian vault, but I would recommend checking out Nick Milos video on the ACCESS folder structure to learn more about folder structuring. publish.obsidian.md/aidanhelfant/Cards/Tag+Taxonomy

  • @euforiaz
    @euforiaz 6 місяців тому

    This helped me a lot!! Thank you!! 🙏

  • @meechilla
    @meechilla 6 місяців тому

    Im so interested in the content of that Happiness MOC. Would it be possible to share that research?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  6 місяців тому +1

      of course!
      I have a video recounting the main findings here: ua-cam.com/video/NYUmmB-Dnss/v-deo.html&ref=aidanhelfant.com
      And you can see the MOC on my Obsidian Publish site here: publish.obsidian.md/aidanhelfant/Atlas/MOCS/Happiness+MOC

  • @MarcusTrawick
    @MarcusTrawick Рік тому

    Thank God for young people! This helps.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      Amen! But also thank god for old people. Otherwise I wouldn't exist. Cause my parents would be dead. Cheers!

  • @fatboy3033
    @fatboy3033 3 місяці тому

    How do I connect tags? For example: tag #Python and #Rust?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  3 місяці тому

      You can use the tag wrangler community plug in.

  • @animalfacts4444
    @animalfacts4444 6 місяців тому

    Great video! Brand new Obsidian user here. I love this setup, but how do I add the tags: and up: above the title of the note? Do I need to turn off the show inline title option for it to show up the same way as yours? Making it so that I have to add the title to both the note itself and the name of the note in the folder? I have been trying to find a solution, but am unable.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  6 місяців тому +1

      You do need to turn off show inline title, but only if you don't want the title to show up automatically.
      When the inline title update came I already had been using Obsidian for a year and all my templates had titles included, so I would see double titles. That's why I don't like having it on. But up to you.

    • @animalfacts4444
      @animalfacts4444 6 місяців тому

      Thank you. @@aidanhelfant

  • @WesXpress
    @WesXpress 11 місяців тому

    What's the main difference from fleeting notes and litrature notes. For me I want to use Obsidian for sources from books or youtube videos I watch or from atricles you read.
    And the other question I have is what type of template should you use? can the template for a fleetingnote be the same as for a litrature note?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  11 місяців тому

      Fleeting notes are notes written quickly to be turned into more permanent notes later on.
      They are fleeting as if you don't turn them into something else soon you will likely forget what they mean.
      literature notes are notes you take from your various mediums of consumption like books, Podcasts, or videos. They contain mainly the authors ideas.
      To see the templates I use I would check out this article: www.aidanhelfant.com/how-should-your-classify-your-notes-in-obsidian/

  • @nathanpalhares
    @nathanpalhares 4 місяці тому

    Good video! Thanks!

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  4 місяці тому

      No problem, glad you liked it!

  • @ex0ja
    @ex0ja Рік тому +2

    Felt like you were just regurgitating the info from the Nick Milo video i just watched, but then I felt it was easier to understand so i preferred your video. Have a like :)

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      Nick Milo heavily influenced my video on MOCs.
      But in the content creation space it isn't stealing if you add your own spin on things and reference the original creator.
      Glad you liked it!

    • @ex0ja
      @ex0ja Рік тому

      @@aidanhelfant also you did mention him in the video ☺️

  • @thingswhichcantbesaid5371
    @thingswhichcantbesaid5371 Рік тому

    Nice vid. How did you do the encounter box?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +1

      Here's the code:
      ```dataview
      TABLE WITHOUT ID
      file.link as "Encounters and new notes", (date(today) - file.cday).day as "Days alive"
      FROM "+Encounters"
      SORT file.cday desc
      LIMIT 20
      ```

    • @thingswhichcantbesaid5371
      @thingswhichcantbesaid5371 Рік тому

      Thank you!@@aidanhelfant

  • @mexid2569
    @mexid2569 10 місяців тому

    Thanks man!

  • @yohanesliong4818
    @yohanesliong4818 7 місяців тому

    Thank you

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  7 місяців тому

      No problem!
      Glad you found it useful.

  • @tidus7081
    @tidus7081 Рік тому

    I think in simplest term, this is just a decomposition tree or a mind map. Theres just 1 center, that spreads too other MOCs and eventually to finer notes. Theres just too many terms flying around nowadays...

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      That's a good point.
      But I think it differs from a mind map in the level of connecting you can have to other mind maps. As far as I'm aware in a traditional mind map software it's not possible to link mind maps together. I could be wrong.

  • @ZenityStudios
    @ZenityStudios 5 місяців тому

    this atomic note structure is extremely unintuitive for class notes and studying specific segment of information for a specific exam question set. I've been trying to re organize a days worth of notes for a week almost and I just keep coming full circle to just 1 lecture one noted organized heirarchically by folders.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @nothing2449
      @nothing2449 8 днів тому

      yes, and don't let reorganising transform into procrastination in disguise

  • @busimo
    @busimo Рік тому

    Bro, can you explain what you include in these folders "Encounters, atlas, calenar, cards, extras, sources, spaces" and how do you color code MOC in the graph view?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      You can watch Nick Milo's explanation video on the ACCESS framework to learn how the folders work.

    • @busimo
      @busimo Рік тому

      @@aidanhelfant Thanks bro

  • @hyungtaecf
    @hyungtaecf 6 місяців тому +1

    MOCs are links. So the answer is links

  • @ksoonsoon
    @ksoonsoon Рік тому

    If a persons life is not infinite, how can “life is an infinite game” be true?
    How about, “Life is a complicated test to determine who really are”?

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      I understand life isn't truly infinite.
      My point is that by treating it as an infinite game in some respects, it can make us live better in some aspects.

    • @ksoonsoon
      @ksoonsoon Рік тому

      @@aidanhelfant Honestly, I would’ve been a little worried about you if you didn’t know that life was not infinite. Regardless, IMO we have a much better perspective of our lives if we see them as shorter rather than longer. That way we make the best use of the limited time we have, and that is our reality. All the best to you and nice work.

  • @suburbanyute340
    @suburbanyute340 Рік тому

    real g's know you gotta use all 4.

  • @atetraxx
    @atetraxx Місяць тому

    so the answer is... links!

  • @rinleeds
    @rinleeds 5 місяців тому

    Doesn't linking MOCs to MOCs now start to become more headfog inducing? Defying the whole purpose of Obsidian - to cread a headspace platform? Is it a step too far? It reminds me of going down the UA-cam rabbithole - where you look at one video, which links to another then another then another - and then you end up far away from what you were looking at. The problem is most topics can be linked to each other if we look at the grandchildren links level. So is the linking of MOCs just incredibly unnecessary and flawed? And my other worry is by doing so, you're becoming a curator of knowledge rather than spending time creating and outputting amazing stuff. Also, such a shame you gave little space to folders and tags - which are incredible tools but neglected.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  5 місяців тому

      I appreciate your thoughts and do think there is danger in notetaking just on notetaking. But if you look at the content across the channel I think there is lots that aren’t on just notetaking. Thanks for watching.

  • @normdavis7334
    @normdavis7334 10 місяців тому +1

    12 seconds, Turned it off. Sorry, have a life, time's precious. Just thought you'd like to know. I'm sure there's 6 minutes of good stuff here. Thanks for the video

  • @lpanades
    @lpanades 2 місяці тому

    Nice. But… what you did not notice and understood is that 𝑴𝒐𝒕𝒊𝒗𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑺𝒕𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏, for example, and other cathegories that you created in the note used to collect your MOCs should be notes themselves; because, this is the concept of the software: collect and join concepts. The idea of notes is because it is the way humans have to collect and explain a concept. So the 𝑵𝒐𝒕𝒆 is the way but the 𝑪𝒐𝒏𝒄𝒆𝒑𝒕 is the matter, the material.
    I hope that this could help you.

  • @auraskyacademy5043
    @auraskyacademy5043 Рік тому +1

    Amazing stuff, Aidan. Subscribed. I love how the MoC finally works out better on Obsidian. August Bradley suggests 'Knowledge vault' and creating a ToC. Just came to halt when the database doesn't completely transpose all your property data into the notes unfortunately. Gonna give MoC a little more try. Let us see how it goes.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      If you want to share your journey using it email me at aidanhelfanthello@gmail.com or message me on Twitter!

  • @86oldcold
    @86oldcold Місяць тому +1

    Interesting! It's like building a galaxy of information

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Місяць тому

      Exactly! Love the space analogy.

  • @-bilalcj-4385
    @-bilalcj-4385 Рік тому +1

    Wonderful video , I really benefited ,thanks you & keep Going 👊

  • @ukana5315
    @ukana5315 Рік тому

    Thanks for the video. ❤❤❤
    It was helpful to put a more concrete view on the idea of MOCS.

  • @bintangnaufal
    @bintangnaufal 2 місяці тому

    folders, tags, links, and now metadata props :)

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Місяць тому

      True, I'll have to make a follow up video!

  • @S04B3L
    @S04B3L 8 місяців тому

    Finally found a video on how to actually use obsidian!

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  8 місяців тому

      It can get so complicated sometimes in the PKM community 😂
      Glad you found it helpful!

  • @apocalypsedragon
    @apocalypsedragon 8 місяців тому

    Man, this was brilliant!!

  • @timog7358
    @timog7358 10 місяців тому

    great video

  • @LukasPetry
    @LukasPetry Рік тому

    Dope!

  • @Jbar1011
    @Jbar1011 9 місяців тому +1

    Hey man, great content, but please condense your videos. We are all here for productivity!

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  9 місяців тому

      Thanks for the comment, I'll try and keep this in mind in the future.
      Personally, I think having a balance of short, medium, and long form content is the sweet spot for people of all different preferences.

    • @Estevaoe
      @Estevaoe Місяць тому

      Allow me to disagree with you. I'm here just to have a peek at the process of note-taking, seeing how he makes good use of it. This, to me, is what makes this content unique and stand out from others. Short and straight-to-the-point tutorials are abundant. How someone actually uses Obsidian is harder to find.

  • @ZukunftBilden
    @ZukunftBilden Рік тому +1

    Yeah - new video. But seriously - that thumbnail was almost lazy - even though you put so much work into your video. And noone cares about you as a creator yet. When you are a smaller creator find another hook then - look how I do X. And you do think about your hook. Right in the beginning - it was perfect.
    "Folders, Tags or Links - the Obsidian dilemma solved"
    PLEAASE - put a bit of work into your title and thumbnails so you properly represent your great videos.
    The Thumbnail - Make three beautiful mermaids singing around you - one singing "folders" one "tags" and one "links" - and you being in the dilemma where to go/who to choose.
    Or some other thing that represents dilemma while getting attention and making people click in dark mode in particular (80% of users use dark mode)

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +2

      Are you a professional thumbnail designer? Your ideas for titles and thumbnails are incredible. I did have a thumbnail set up but my uploader forgot to add it. I just put it in but I think I will remake the thumbnail to show what you are describing. Thanks for the comment. I appreciate the feedback.

    • @heinzarniaung2915
      @heinzarniaung2915 Рік тому +5

      @@aidanhelfant the thumbnail change made me click even tho it had zero relevance to me so cheers.

    • @ZukunftBilden
      @ZukunftBilden Рік тому +1

      I did have a marketing agency once and manage the UA-cam account of an actress. But my mission is in changing the education system.
      But just comment on one of my comments if you actually ever wanna talk. I respect the work you put into your videos.

    • @ZukunftBilden
      @ZukunftBilden Рік тому

      @@heinzarniaung2915 hahahaha, I guess I’m sorry (not really)

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому

      That's so funny! Glad ot hear.

  • @jparks6544
    @jparks6544 8 місяців тому

    LOL. How pretentious. It's called a Table of Contents.

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  8 місяців тому

      No u

    • @jparks6544
      @jparks6544 8 місяців тому

      @@aidanhelfant Young and ignorant. Yet wise only in his own eyes.

  • @busimo
    @busimo Рік тому

    Hi, do you have a more comprehensive video on creating MOC step by step? You've given an overview and there are parts where it's confusing to me but on a high level, this is the system I was looking for to implement on obsidian. Watched tons of video with no proper explanation on long time wasters. Finally found this but a step-by-step explanation to create the map and how you shorten the title and how you do it would be amazing! Subbed!

    • @aidanhelfant
      @aidanhelfant  Рік тому +1

      I don't have an even more in depth explanation just yet but I will definitely add it to my list of content ideas.
      Thanks for the suggestion!

    • @busimo
      @busimo Рік тому

      @@aidanhelfant Please do tired of all the fluffs all over the internet