Open Bar 109 - Rings of Power Nightmare, Acolyte Meltdown, The Crow Humiliated
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2024
- Well, its finally time. The first three episodes of Wigs of Power season 2 are here, and we've seen them all. Join me, MauLer, Platoon, Robert Meyer Burnett and Despot of Antrim as we try to make sense of this disaster.
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I hate Sauron! he's slimy, sticky and gets everywhere!
This is an excellent comment.
Darth Vader would chop Sauron into little pieces and throw them into Mustafar for bringing disgrace to the name of Dark Lords everywhere.
"Eeeewww! I trod in some Dark Lord." [scrapes boot]
@@Count.SarumanYeah the most manipulated man on the Galaxy would totally outsmart Sauron ! Well, Ring of Power Sauron, who would be outsmarted by an actual chicken.
@@Ron_Jambo_Oh, not the actual Sauron. I meant the blobby gloop monster Sauron. The actual Sauron wouldn't ever take a fight with a martially comparable opponent and would manipulate him to kingdom come.
Can't wait for the Balrog to be misunderstood and just mad the dwarfs woke sleeping Baby Balrog.
Gandalf killed the Black Baby Balrog. Once again, the hu-White man killing diversity out of racist hatred for gravity.
Balrog Babies, they're coming to your town!... Balrog Babies, they've come from underground!
The Balrog is an emotionally complex entity...
Edit: Like the Rancor, both are misunderstood...
Balrogs are people too!
The Balrogs think the dwarves are invading their civilization to take their jobs.
The orcs having families is like the henchmen in Austin Powers being great guys with families and friends who cared about them. The only difference is that one is meant to be taken seriously, while the other is a comedy.
Wait, you're supposed to take Austin Powers seriously?
@@GiovanniPrince It was a stone-cold retelling of the Cold War and its immediate aftereffects of the Soviet Union's collapse as a political force. When you realize Dr. Evil is Henry Kissinger it all falls into place.
Well Austin Powers version makes sense, but the orcs don't.
“He was like a father to me!”
"To Schmitty"
Lords of the Rings was always missing stories about orcs having to pay child support and being underpaid at their dead end job in Mordor
Sauron's real power is running an on-time logistics delivery service that monopolized middle earth. Orcs out here, wearing a blue vest, driving Oliphants around, delivering Mt. Doom delivery goods with a maniacal murderously cannibalistic glee.
And here are the hu-White elves trying to stop Sauron from enjoying the fruits of globalist state capitalism because elves and Tolkien fans are racist.
This is the real story to Amazon's Dem Rangs O' Powa! Something that hu-White man Tolkien was too afraid to tell you!
Well the difference between good and bad isn’t that clear, right? I mean, at the Battle of Pelennor Fields the humans and elfs and Anakin Skywalker have potentially killed tens if not hundreds of thousands of orcs and people from oppressed cultures from the East so it’s all just a matter of perspective…
Pretty racist to stereotype the "orcs" that way, if you ask me. Like, orcs are always fatherless, orcs only do menial labor jobs... What next, orcs demanding reparations from sauron? Orc gangs doing drive bys in hobbiton?
That’s why they steal designer boots and tunics from Gondor shops! They’re just Aladdins!
#orclivesmatter
The rings of power brings up an interesting question. What is the domestic violence rate in a race that literally eat each other?
You mean lesbians?
I hear it's pretty damning
Cannot be domestic violence if they are on the road ;)
Not as high as the lesbians.
@@seafoam6119 based
love it when RBM breaks things down from an intellectual filmmaker point of view. It goes to highlight the failures even more.
"Like diarrhea, can be quite enjoyable in small doses" I don't want to admit how much this made me laugh.
if it goes on too long...you panic. lmao
Sauron being an absolute wimp, Galadriel being wrong and having no consequences, Elrond being ignored completely, Cirdan being a "wise" idiot, Gandalf STILL being on the "is he good/bad?" arc, and Nori/Poppy still being insufferable...
This is the most frustrating show on the planet...
That's saying something considering the slog through the bog for the past couple of years. It's hard to suck harder than Acolyte, Willow, Velma, etc.
@@dp2901 I think Acolyte and Willow are my personal most despised. At this point, it's all so lousy that I think the tie breaker is "which franchise did you like most as a kid and are therefore angriest about seeing it go down in flames." While I know Velma is the absolute pits, I never was a huge Scooby-Doo fan, so it doesn't hit as hard.
Velma was hateful spite and easy to ignore, this is just sheer bloody incompetence which is why it's more frustrating imo
‘He deceived me’
Not,
‘I was decieved’.
The secret to not being frustrated by it is to simply not watch it 😀
The problem Amazon has is Tolkien himself. Tolkien describes EVERYTHING! There is little room for interpretation or addition so if you don’t stick to what he wrote you are most likely doing it wrong.
Amazon hate Tolkien and his generation.
Meaning this show should not exist?
@@StrangersIteDomum Exactly.
Not necessarily, There are a bunch of times where Tolkien never elaborated. We don’t actually even get told what Legolas’ hair colour is. Another is the exact way orc reproduce. Even Tolkien himself was undecided and had a couple of explanations over time. That’s not a defence of Amazons ‘happy orc families’, it’s just how it is.
@@jonbaxter2254 This. I'm less convinced that Amazon are incapable of getting writers that could honor Tolkien's worldbuilding, and more convinced that the writers want to deliberately damage what Tolkien create so whatever they come up with can override it.
We have not seen what he has seen.
And I don't want to.
😂😂😂
Don’t plan to ither. Like the Acolyte l can only consume it critically.
No, I don't think I will
It's horrid what too much Toilet Duck will do to a man
Thankfully
The elven rings look like something you get out of an arcade claw machine.
That slips through the claws and you don't even get. FFS.
Kek, true
He has discovered the secret, master! We must find that machine!
@@typerexconly the one true heir of the kings of Gondor can successfully claw the ring from the bowels of the foul claw machine of the arcade dwarves!
Lets not be racist towards jewelry
When they try to cancel Critical Drinker he just will say "Would you throw a poem into the fire becaus it's written by a drunk?" xD
Sauron could never be overtaken by orcs. That’s like orcs killing a balrog. He is a shape shifting Maiyar known as the Lord of werewolves. Orcs shiver in fear of Sauron, and they are for bidden to even say his name. He and Melkor used orcs for thousands of years in the elf wars.
@@zogwort1522 Uh, nope.
Didn't actually kill him, just destroyed his physical form by removing the ring from him, which he'd basically dumped his soul into.
He was 'killed' when the ring was destroyed.
@@zogwort1522he was mortally wounded by Gil-Galad and Elendil, two of the greatest fighters of their time, one the high king of the elves and the other a literal giant of a man and the high king of the Numenoreans/men, armed with enchanted weapons, before Isildur did that.
@@zogwort1522Also worth nothing that by the time of the Last Alliance, Sauron had been greatly weakened and lost the ability to shapeshift. From being at Ground Zero of a Divine Smite that literally cut the world in half
@@zogwort1522 nope. Sauron is a being of spiritual nature and to truly harm him you need something more than just a sharp weapon. Against a normal mortal the enchantment might just mean that it is sharper but against Sauron or a Balrog that enchantment (be it elven magic or dwarven runes) is what actually hurts their core being.
This is what all the unseen world and not of the flesh thing they talk about in the show (they mess it up though)
@@zogwort1522 can't remember but it is a common thing through all his writing and why elves can defeat balrogs in 1vs1 and the strongest of them even able to stand toe to toe with Morgoth himself.
Elves are beings of both the flesh and spirit, unlike men and dwarves, and some like Glorfindel is like a terrifying beacon to spiritual creatures since they can feel him in the spiritual realm and why the Nazgul fear him (this is partly explained in fellowship).
I have never watched a single minute of "Rings of Power" but the description of Sauron being a goop bag was so absurd i had to see it for myself.
HOLY SHIT what were they thinking
Somebody had either being watching venom, or That time i got reincarnated as a slime would be my guess.
I feel sorry for the person who had to animate that stupid.
I thought it was hyperbole. I thought it was made up by someone like Drinker and animated (badly) by smartasses online, here for our enjoyment as a demonstration of how stupid this show has become. Never did I think it was for real real. I simply could not imagine a misstep that enormous. I can't believe anyone thought this was a good idea, much less the dozens upon dozens of people that decision had to pass through.
I thought the venom-esque goo from the trailer would transform into something like an airborne pathogen once outside and be absorbed into and destroy everything it passed, Chernobyl-radiation style.
But no. He flip-flopped down a mountain.
We pulled kids out of the mines 100 years ago and now they get addicted to a game called Minecraft. They yearn for the mines; put them back in.
So you comment at Instapundit don't you?
XD
"The children, they yearn for the mines" is something i expect amazon to say
In minecraft you are the mine operator over supervising your one employee.
You'll live frostpunk😂
They've turned Sauron into Gargamel.
Don't sully Gargamels good name sir!
😂😂😂
Gargamel was a tireless crusader against the communist blue filth called Smurfs. Do not disparage that good man's name, sir.
Oh God 😂
Gargamel got shit done though.
This show makes me appreciate the movies more 😂
The movies is like breathing and the show is like drowning.
"Why does a boat float,and why does a stone sink?"
"Because boats are floaty and stones are sinky?"
😂😂😂
@@zacharymcmillan2788 Every time I see that clip used, I expect him to say, "Do you know why shit floats? ....Me neither."
I love the thought of Sauron just constantly whirling across the lands as a blob of goo for all eternity, getting caught in wheels and stuck on people's shoes. It's just too funny.
"Whoa man, you just ran into a big pile of Sauron!"
"That happens."
"What? Sauron?"
"Sometimes."
"Ewww. I got some Sauron on the bottom of my boot."
Guy goes to scrape it off on a rock.
Start selling "Sauron Happens" bumper ... I mean carriage stickers.
I hate it when I'm cycling along and I get Sauron caught in my wheels. Don't you?
It's the worst! He always gums up the gears and gets everywhere!
I loled
@@beowulfsrevenge4369"I hate Sauron. He's coarse, rough, and he gets everywhere."
-Bilbakin Skywalggins
You know what really inspires fear and awe?
The main villain looking like a wet turd.
Just to drive that point home, he gets shit out of a mountain hole.
Poor mountain, it really should have avoided taco tuesday.
Ikr? AND splattered by a cart. 😂
I hope this is what it takes to get the Despot some attention. His channel is the most overlooked gem of UA-cam.
To add to your points on the terrible opening scene. The whole scene feels so small. Sauron is speaking to maybe a hundred orcs? Remember when Saruman spoke to 10,000? The whole show has such a massive budget, but always feels tiny.
Sanderson laid out how this show could have been structured, and how I wish they’d hired him. Each season would be set in a different century, with a different core struggle that brings the elves closer to being vulnerable to manipulation. Normal human characters are all new each season. Dwarves and Numenoreans might last 2 seasons at most, while the elves are constant. Eventually, the elves of Eregion are positioned to fall for Anatar’s lies. Then you get a season depicting the Numenoreans as primary PoV, where they call Sauron an upstart, sail to middle earth in such might that he surrenders, and then he corrupts them from the inside. Final season opens after Numenor’s destruction and Sauron losing his beautiful form and the ability to shapeshift, culminating in the last alliance. It would be an opportunity to show Elendil and Gilgalad battling Sauron in the epic 2v1 (which for continuity with the films would leave him weakened rather than defeated) and add context to how Isildur took the Ring.
The potential for this show was sky high, but they started with bad intentions and have done pretty much everything wrong.
Another great idea for this show was just depicting the fall of Numenorians and them just establishing their colonies on Middle Earth
@@whitegoose2017 That could be cool. Focus on their perspective, with the rings of power largely rumor to them for most of the story
@@WillFredward7167 The best part of it is they can just paint on an empty canvas because Middle Earth is mostly unconquered land
A moment of silence for the loss of everyone's sanity on the panel this week for watching Rings of Power. 😢🎉
We need to start a go fund me to get them all some counselling.
It's definitely PTSD.
@@irishbob26I know it's a joke but they make more money than you and probably half your family combined. You don't need to waste money on content creators, ok ?
No way I'm here for it lol
@Ron_Jambo_ you knew it was a joke but still felt the need to write that.
What kind of a sham are you?
Morgoth is a slur name meaning something like "Black Enemy" his actual name was Melkor.
He hated being called Morgoth and Sauron would NEVER call him that.
Melkor wasn't dead. The Valar had beat him down stashed him somewhere out of Middle Earth where he was out of the picture.
@@christophersmith8316 Wasn't he cast into the void, and they just don't really know if that's death or not for a literal lessor god?
I have a coworker that is an absolute stereotype. Was raging that it was unjust and offensive that The Acolyte was cancelled, and when asked, admitted she didn’t finish the show😂
They're 🐑 . And it's scary, since if you say something they don't like, they'll shout you down while being completely uninformed. And these people vote (sometimes).
I do hope you pointed out that THEY were the problem! lol
@@samuel5591 🤪
UA-cam deleted my comment. Of course they did.
They're *baaaaa* . And it's scary, since if you say something they don't like, they'll shout you down while being completely uninformed. And these people vote (sometimes).
You don’t have to call the patients where you work ‘colleagues’….
What an excellent deconstruction-based critique!!! Great mix of guest, way to go, Fellowship of the Drink!
“I think one of the great enemies of creativity is too much time and money,” Ryan Reynolds
He's not wrong. 🤷♂️🤨👍
Also, Sauron getting 'killed' and resurrected as a flop monster, then to Halbrand, is completely anti-Tolkien; once a Maiar dies, they stay dead unless Eru sends them back (ala Gandalf) or they somehow still have their essence tied to something, like the one ring.
Always enjoy hearing RMB on here. He's got a great perspective on story telling.
Orcs are Elves altered by Morgoth. They are suppose to be an insult to Ilúvatar and his creation. That's it, very clear explanation.
Despot and platoon are 2 of my faves.
Just missing disparu.
Why them?
@@MegaSpideyman I like their individual channels.
Great videos.
Disparu too busy playing dungeon and dragons or some shit on another channel
Reaper would've put this one over the top :)
@@spicypugs Heh, nothing like a bit of D 'n' D.
If I recall, the thing about Dwarves is they couldn't be dominated. They wouldn't follow a master, so their rings just accentuated their existing greed.
I don’t think they even know who the stranger is supposed to be yet, it’s more MYSTERY BOX Acolyte shit
"What, if any of this, is exciting?"
Me: I, for one, am excited to see if Now You See Me 3 completely undoes the entire point of Now You See Me 2, which undid the entire premise of the first movie. I just wanna see that franchise continue to undo the purpose of the movies that came before forever. That'll be great.
the best part of the show so far for me was the 2 "not" hobbits getting sucked into the tornado
It's rare to see RMB around here, but you enjoy every moment you get from him. Cheers.
In Rop, Sauron is like the black goo from Prometheus. No matter what form it takes it all sucks and makes no sense.
The black goo from prometheus makes perfect sense.
All you have to do is get some human to ingest it, let them have sex with another human(just not too long after ingestion), then you get a proto-face hugger, then that face hugger has to implant itself in an engineer and you get a proto-xenomorph......
welp, after writing that process out it's even stupider.
I'm not even going start on the worm.
Regarding Bill Burrs character in The Mandalorian, as someone who had service based PTSD, I believed him, you could see the pain and torment in his eyes. Moving performance.
I love Alex Proya's Gods of Egypt.
It's one of my guilty pleasures. I have no idea why. It just brings unironic delight to something in me.
I couldn't name it either but I bet it's the same thing that prompts me to watch "The Core" every time it's on.
only thing i took away from all three episodes : Amazon knows this show is fucked
Dropping three hours of content all at once is just an attempt to game the 'minutes watched' metric for the premiere, and to mitigate the negative publicity of having to explain why the numbers drop off week after week for 8 weeks straight. This is just Amazon trying to get it all out of the way and sweep the bad news under the rug as quickly as possible, because they know the normies will not stick around until the end of this.
If they had any confidence in this product they'd be drip feeding it out as slowly as possible to milk the monthly sub fees, not rushing it out as fast as humanly possible
Exactly. Same reason they opened The Acolyte with a double episode premiere.
Yeah probably
1:29:00 Despot brings up a good point, they could have done a political thriller based around Sauron corrupting Numenor. AFAIK there is no timeframe on how fast that happened so they could spend as much time as they wanted and bring in all these other characters
Problem is todays mainstream creators don't understand individuals and can't write them. Everyone is a cardboard cutout with a label on them for representation. Sauron himself is a definite individual and unsurpassed as long as the Valar keep their oath. But he understood many Elves and Men enough to fool them. Dwarves, not so much.
Sydney Sweeney is the prime example of how to deal with being in a bad movie. She owned it and is even more popular than ever.
I mean being hot and having naturally huge jugs probably is what actually helped her through that.
Does Morfydd Clark have the assets to show off, though? She's pretty flat looking in the clips I've seen. Nothing wrong with that, but you need more than budget cuts to distract people from a bad role.
There's two big reasons why she is popular, same goes for Daddario not so long ago. Honestly, at this day and age I will never understand people who still simp for female or male "sex symbols". If you are so thirsty, go watch goddamn porn or something
Asking again to get this long format type video on Podcast services. Would be dope for Work. Cheers
You can always just play on a mobile browser that supports playing while the screen is turned off - I use Brave and it works fine
Same I listen 2 it through my headphones but running youtube and video drains battery like crazy 😀🤣
Even gandalf (who is of a lower order of the maiar than sauron) tells legolas, gimli and aragorn that their weapons couldnt even harm him.....
How is getting stabbed with anything going to do any damage at all to sauron? Hes a fucking holy spirit (even if he has fallen and become evil) he cant be killed or even harmed by normal weapons. Fuck i hate this show and its writers are clueless where tolkiens works are concerned. Or theyre just deliberately changing it for their cultural relativist, intersectional, communist, anti everything ideology that has to be in every single action they make in their lives.
To be fair Gandalf and Sauron's bodies could die to normal means. Just their actual spirits are unharmed.
@@cjmk5923 Gandalf literally fought a Balrog to the death. That's not "normal means", that's "well, if you dropped a nuke on me I guess I'd feel it" sort of near-invincibility. He's basically the Hulk.
Sauron would be even harder to physically kill, hence why it took an entire army of giant men and elves, and the destruction of Numenor, to weaken him enough for Narsil to cut his finger.
Great show guys. Masterly insightful.
Rings of Power casting decisions made Conniption Drinker come out.
21:29 The "Triskelion Monster" from the "Isle of Men"-flag STRIKES BACK! Hide Mauler or He laughs Himself to death! 😆
Your videos literally get me through half my shift at work and I thank you guys so much for it. 🙏🏻
Orcs are like zombies with brains. They never stop coming. That is why they are so terrifying.
well almost never. The Hand and Eye orcs scrap over the gobbits, and the orcs in the tower near Shelob are starting to break into factions because Sauron's attention is being diverted. And when the eye goes down, they run without any hesitation.
The orc rebels helped Frodo and Sam make it to Mount Doom to destroy the ring 😂
Wii Sports came with the Wii, Wii Sports Resort came with a Wii-mote for the same price as a wii-mote. Just a reminder.
I agree with Robert, talking about his experience seeing Terminator in the movie theater. I remember many movies that blew me away back then. I went to the movie theater back in the late 70's and early 80's and was blown away by movies like Star Wars, Alien, Close encounters of the third kind, The Exorcist and many more.
Mauler spouting off Elrond’s internal monologue “they’re clearly bad!!” had me dying laughing
Now we have two prologues to cross reference we know that Galadriel spent 100's of years hunting some sludge. Then falls in love with it.
The hallmark of the typical slag. 😂
What a banger of an episode. Really enjoyed this one. Also awesome panel. Love RMB, Despot and Platoon. Just an awesome combination. Really insightful discussions.
Another amazzzzing Open Bar 🍻and congrats on 100+. I watched this episode live for the first time in months. Current beer on tap in Arizona is Four Peaks Brewing Bad Birdie Juicy Ale....what ya'll drinkin'?
Said this on one of yellow flash's videos but if they wanted to MAYBE break even on The Crow remake, then they should have tried to release it around Halloween to try and get the kind of audience that would be halfway interested
Would make more just by rereleasing the original in theatres and never making the dogshit remake. 100% profit and goodwill.
Rober Meyer Burnett hit the nail on the head!
The reason they started with the goo monster sequence is that they saw the Return of the King which started with the Smeagol story and they thought they are gonna make something similar.
Even the fade to black editing is the same.
Yeah I think like most people I didn't get that, I did find it funny how later though he reveals a glimpse of his power to Celebrimbor but decided to not show the orcs he was trying subjugate anything of his strength and power 🤣
The dialogue, the sequences in Moria and th tone of the show in general is kitchen sink drama. Its bloody EastEnders with flamboyant production design.
Eastenders now would be Ishmail knifing a Somalian while the babble of MENAP voices rolls by like an ebbing tide of rape and Islam.
Ah, feck, I missed this being uploaded, because I was watching Mr Brown live!
Never know when these will go up!
I wish I did.
And it was right there waiting for you when you were ready for it. What is this obsession some people have with being there the moment a video like this drops and watching it immediately? And putting extra pressure on a busy Drinker to upload at a consistent time is just unnecessary.
Now that I really think about it, I remember seeing the ad for RoP the first time and having this very vague sense of familiarity to something else, and then it occurred to me, oh it reminds me a little, tiny bit of LoTR. Then I realized it was supposed be connected to LoTR, and that was the last thought I had about it, at least till the bad reviews started coming out. And even then it didn't spark my interest, unlike the 'I've come to kill you' Acolyte. How could anyone be expected to resist mocking that? I mean really, come on.
Since watching season 1 back when it first released, I've been continually asking myself the question of whether or not it was even conceptually possible for The Rings: The Rings to get any worse. I was simultaneously not the least bit surprised and fundamentally gobsmacked harder than I've ever been to find out in a matter of MINUTES after starting s2 ep 1 that yes, it can and does get worse. I am honestly, genuinely awestruck at the magnitude of that achievement.
The whole thing is like the "Scary Movie" of Fantasy. You can't make all this shoit up xd
2:40:00 approx. Drinker has a good point about there being too much stuff, and no one seems to be backing him up. So consider this: when I was a kid, there were 2 TV channels: ITV and BBC1. The later addition of BBC2 can be ignored for statistical purposes as lots of people couldn't get it. So you had 2 channels competing for, potentially, 50% of the audience each, every single night (no daytime TV). If you're trying to get half the audience, you put in a lot of work to try and claim as much above that 50% as you can. Today, there are more than 100 channels vying for my attention (way more, but let's use 100 as the number for ease of reckoning). That means that each channel is vying for 1% of the audience. And the effort they put out is reflected in this. Most of them specialize: sport, horror, SF, nostalgia, etc. and by doing so guarantee a tiny sliver of the audience. But no one is trying to pull in half the audience because they know they just can't. The problem with having so much "choice" is that the quality goes down to meet expectations, and the TV companies expectations have dropped from 50% to 1%. And the losers are the viewers, because we've lost the power to influence the makers in any significant fashion.
I can honestly say the following, I did not watch The Acolyte because of the comments made by Drinker and guests both before the show came out and when it was airing. However, this isn't because my viewing is strictly controlled by youtube creators, it is a consequence of slowly having the Star Wars brand (and many others) spoiled over many products. I was there and hyped for Force Awakens, Last Jedi was an abomination, Mandalorian S3, Solo, Obi Wan etc etc. There have now been so many Star Wars shows and movies that have truly let the IP and the fanbase down that now, unless I hear that a show is incredible from a variety of online sources then I will just find something else to do with my time. It's not because Drinker told me not to watch it, it is simply the end result of having something I used to adore brought down to such a level that it requires a groundbreaking show or movie to even get the slightest attention from me. That is why creators on youtube are targeted for their opinions. Companies think they are directly influencing viewership without ever acknowledging the slow rot we have endured for years.
If anything I feel you guys got more people to watch the acolyte to see how shit it actually was
Brilliant podcast buys, well done
Galadriel is in love with Sauron, thats the reason why she didn't want to tell others about it
She is ashamed to fell in love to the pure evil and not even knowing it was the very person she most hates.
That's the only thing a can come up thinking why she didn't tell such an important matter...
🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Despot, "It Can't Rain All The Time" is indeed lyrical. It's the lyric that the record skips on in the movie & it's also it's own song performed by Jane Siberry as the final track on the soundtrack.
109, love that number for some reason
This is the best entertainment on any screen
The review that RoP deserves is a 15 second clip of Drinker yelling "f*** off show, stay away from this garbage" to a clip from the show.
Lack of passion, and a vision. Its sad to live in these hackfull times.
+1, excellent neologism!
Sometimes, to cook, you have to touch the cringe.
Regarding "are we over entertained?". Yes, I think so. When I was a kid, here in Sweden, we had 2 TV-channels and they might show 1 movie a week, and there might have been 1 or 2 TV-series, that run an episode a week. The movie theaters ran the movies that came out much longer then they do now, Star Wars ran for 135 weeks in swedish cinemas. We had to wait a year 'till the next big thing came out and therefore they were all a big deal.
Mother is the name of God on the lips and hearts of little children.
Wow.
Humanising Orcs has been happening for decades now in fantasy (the Soviets even wrote a pro-Orc LOTR novel) and completely misses the metaphysical point of them.
@@zogwort1522he obviously meant metaphorical
@@zogwort1522I'm sure he does. In the Silmarillion they are likened to Demons. The Dwarves, when talking about the fall of Mount Gundabad (where Durin the Deathless woke) treat them as a calamity or a natural disaster. Even Saruman, the only leader Orcs come to actually like, treats them as tools or machines to work his will. Uruks like Ugluk seem fully aware of that and content with it as they aren't loyal to him out of fear but rather respect in contrast to Grisnakh and the Mordor orcs.
I mean tankies do embody the qualities of orcs and the red army liked to rape and pillage so I'm not surprised they were pro-orc.
IDC what anyone says Gods of Egypt is an effing hilarious movie 😂I bought it for when I need a mindless laugh
The Orc hugging his family was ..ugh. Ridiculous!
😳😖🤢🤮😩😒
Great episode. Those 3 hours flew by. Good guests and interesting topics. I wish FNT was more like this. 5-6 people max.
It's almost like give the audience what they want and they will show there support. Crazy I know
Phew! Glad to see the Despot of Antrim is still active.
After seeing the "poor orc not wanting to go to war and comforting his wife and baby", I'm now fully expecting Amazon to have a scene at some point where they show an orc village or town where it's straight out of a Disney movie. Orc women washing clothes in the river and chatting happily, orc men strolling back and forth running errands, little orc kids running around and giggling, playing tag and stick-fighting, etc.
They're trying to turn the orcs into just another type of human being.
I'll never understand these peoples' overwhelming desire to make evil "palatable" or "sympathetic". Probably because so many of them want to identify with it, but don't want the negative aspects of it. So "evil" becomes "just a different point of view, just a shade of gray", so that they can feel better about themselves for identifying with it.
they want to look at things from their own perspective and in the orcs they see a persecuted victim group
.... it's so utterly laughable that i can't believe a human being is responsible for this stupidity.
Wow Drinker, i see how the Sauron being found should have gone. Gayadrill is going over land to a place and she's doing it by rolling along doing cartwheels??!! As she comes down she steps in a big pile of steaming Sauron. She tries to wipe her shoe off on a rock but the tread is full of the Sauron poop...there, end of scene??!! Huh, huh, good, huh??!!
I think an interesting followup for The Crow should be Heaven and Hell selecting a neutral party - Death, to investigate how/why/who someone came back from the dead. like a Nior but supernatural.
The fact they lie about people's criticisms of the show and and make up excuses for why it bombed without showing receipts and ignoring the reasons why it DID bomb, shows exactly what they value in a show and why they make them. As an entertainment brand, they HAVE to make entertainment, but there seem to be no rules as to what entertainment must consist of, so they put their efforts into fill it with the only thing they care about, which will be their sole argument for why the show fails when it does. These entertainment products are frameworks for lies, deceit, ruination of societies big and small and even one's personal outlook on the world through the creators' eyes. They're a cancer worse than anything we could experience naturally for what they represent.
"Whatever cruelties and miseries Nature might inflict on living beings, it does not do so out of malice, unlike segments of humanity."
@@Trollificusv2 My point exactly.
On FNT Ryan mentioned something and no one else really jumped on it but I think it's what they'll do: The Stranger is Saruman. They're trying to humanise the bad wizard.
Not surprised, too many cooks in the kitchen so to say with FNT, I like CD's format better, although this one is longer than usual.
@anthonyml7 the longer the better
@@danidelight Thats what she said 😋
@@anthonyml7 😅
14:04 real life Sam Neill Mouth of Madness moment.
"Rampage of Vitriol" is the name of Amandla's hardcore band. The mosh pit at their show looks...weird.
All the problems with the entertainment industry today boil down to one simple thing: corporations are bad stewards of art. In the past companies were just "the money". They supplied the funding and selected a couple of key creatives to do the actual building. It worked well, people made money, but results were volatile. Over time companies were replaced by corporations, and if you know anything about corporations you know that they hate volatility. Not risk, corporations are fine with risk so long as it is quantified and managed, but volatility is the devil. Corporate suits are there to represent investors, and investors like reliable returns with known risk levels.
So what they did is refine the process, identify the key variables and optimize them so that they could construct performance models to control the chaos. And it worked, sort of. But what they didn't realize is that IPs are art, and if you interfere too much with it to construct your investor-friendly entertainment factory you begin to suck the life out of the thing at the heart of your product. The things like DEI that people think are conspiracies are nothing more than typical corporate strategies to do things like maximize the size of the potential customer base. Replacing stars with characters allows them to control actor salaries and to revisit IP numerous times ala Spiderman to continuously generate new revenue streams. Making movies with enormous budgets is literally a version of the same strategy used by financial institutions during the mortgage crisis: go big to win big.
The problem the industry is running into now is that the more you make art by assembly line the less it will appeal to the customer base. This is quite obviously already happening. With execs focused on making the process ever more efficient and predictable, the creatives left to build the product have little control to put their soul into their work so they settle for cheap feel-good wins in the hope of leaving some stamp on it. What's needed are small companies with small projects that can reinvigorate the industry, although some changes are inevitable I think. Theaters are done, zero-ad streaming is coming to an end, and physical media probably won't last much past the end of the decade. The good news is that technology coming into the marketplace now will enable a whole new generation of smaller budget creatives who build with less but hold a bigger stake of the back end.
Orcs 'social organization' was, as I recall, limited to clans - which occasionally warred on each other. But when controlled by a powerful will (Sauron/Saruman.). But Orc Hippies? C'mon...
Good point about movies like The Fugitive, not every film NEEDS to be a big cultural event.
I wouldn't say I'm normie but not super versed in tolkien lore but enjoyed the fellowship trilogy. Can confirm I tapped out with not-gandalf and harfoot scenes in first episode.
Wii sports was awesome i loved playing that as a kid
I sometimes think modern show runners think classic stories themes are patriarchal incarnate and to use or acknowledge the successes only promote the continuation of said Patriarchy.
1:07:50 Do people sit and watch shows these days or is this just something to have on in the background while they are on their phones or working?
There are 2000+ Hogan's Heroes stories on FFN. There are 246 for Avatar... Yes, that movie will definitely live on in our hearts.
5:06 thank you kindly sir Drinker, someone had to say it about ryan reynolds, sick of all the glazing on that very annoying try hard