The Development of French Interwar Bombers Pt 1 - When Greenhouses Go To War

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  • Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
  • Today we're exploring the development of French bombing aircraft in the interwar period.
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    Recommended reading:
    French Bombers of WWII by Jose Fernandez - amzn.to/3RNiAwl
    The Rise and Fall of the French Air Force by Greg Baughen - amzn.to/3toeWQh
    French Aircraft of the First World War by James Davilla and Arthur Soltan - amzn.to/482YUdL
    French Aircraft From 1939 to 1942 Vol 1 & 2 by Dominique Breffort & Andre Jouinau - amzn.to/3Ty9QM8 & amzn.to/3Twva4l
    Les Avions Potez by Jean Louis Coroller and Michel Ledet - amzn.to/3v80mNp
    Les Avions Breguet Vol.1 and Vol.2 by Henri Lacaze- amzn.to/4778CKS
    Les Avions Farman by Jean Liron - www.amazon.fr/Avions-Farman-L...
    Les Avions Bernard by Jean Liron - amzn.to/48q7mU0
    The Command of the Air by Giulio Douhet - amzn.to/472zfjX
    Guerra agli inermi ed Aviazione d'assalto (War on the defenseless and assault aviation) by Amedeo Mecozzi - www.amazon.it/Guerra-agli-ine...
    Published Journal Articles
    The Strategic Dream: French Air Doctrine in the Inter-War Period, 1919-39 by Robert J. Young (www.jstor.org/stable/260291 )
    Douhet's Antagonist: Amedeo Mecozzi (www.jstor.org/stable/26276033... )
    0:00 Intro
    1:28 A brief summary of French Bomber development
    7:08 French Bombers in WWI
    13:09 WWI French Bombing Doctrine
    18:53 Interwar bombers - Farman Goliath
    27:49 Latécoère 6
    30:47 Dyle et Bacalan DB-10
    34:12 The Tactical Bombers - Breguet 19
    39:18 Potez 25
    41:55 A Shift In Aerial Doctrine
    44:26 Lioré et Olivier LeO 20
    49:15 Yet Another Shift In Aerial Doctrine
    59:12 The "Battle-Combat-Reconnaissance Plane" Obsession Begins
    01:03:16 Blériot 127
    01:06:38 Blériot 137
    01:08:20 SPCA 30
    01:12:09 Bréguet 410
    01:15:43 Amiot 140 / Amiot 143
    01:22:05 "Heavy" Bombers - SAB AB.20/21
    01:25:41 Bernard 82 "Repraisal Bomber"
    01:28:22 Farman F.220 / F.222 etc
    01:32:49 Bloch MB.200 Medium Bomber
    01:37:15 Closing Remarks and Source Material
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  • @RexsHangar
    @RexsHangar  5 місяців тому +74

    F.A.Q Section - Ask your questions here :)
    Q: Do you take aircraft requests?
    A: I have a list of aircraft I plan to cover, but feel free to add to it with suggestions:)
    Q: How do you decide what aircraft gets covered next?
    A: Supporters over on Patreon now get to vote on upcoming topics such as overviews, special videos, and deep dives.
    Q: Why do you use imperial measurements for some videos, and metric for others?
    A: I do this based on country of manufacture. Imperial measurements for Britain and the U.S, metric for the rest of the world, but I include text in my videos that convert it for both.

    • @aabumble9954
      @aabumble9954 5 місяців тому +2

      Could you maybe do a video on all or most World War 1 monoplanes?

    • @MrPanzer234
      @MrPanzer234 5 місяців тому +1

      I would like a detailed video on Caproni aircraft, specifically the Caproni Ca.36. I've researched it a lot on my own time but I lack experience looking through archives and lack specific books. Because of this I can't find any photos on the instruments for The Ca. 36, meaning that a project of mine is incomplete until I can find a reliable source for them. Hopefully you can help when you have time.

    • @MrPanzer234
      @MrPanzer234 5 місяців тому +1

      The Macchi M.5 Definitely needs it's own video. You could also mention that It has a scene in the movie Porco Rosso.

    • @thamesmud
      @thamesmud 5 місяців тому

      23:52 I assume the drawings are not French as the dimensions are in feet and inches.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 5 місяців тому +4

      Instead of aircraft why not aero engines. Especially the early types.

  • @kevting4512
    @kevting4512 5 місяців тому +672

    The French truly have a unique take on ‘offensive’ designs.

    • @Hardbass2021
      @Hardbass2021 5 місяців тому +54

      Offensive in looks only 😂

    • @stephenrickstrew7237
      @stephenrickstrew7237 5 місяців тому +56

      It offends my sense of Aerodynamics …

    • @nadermansour7487
      @nadermansour7487 5 місяців тому +9

      Amen.

    • @nicolamarchbank1846
      @nicolamarchbank1846 5 місяців тому +54

      Their take on pre-dreadnought battleships is equally nuts. Drach has described them as "hotels" - awful, weird shapes.

    • @maxo.9928
      @maxo.9928 5 місяців тому +50

      I feel the french consider just how "french" a design feels, and if it isn't offensive to the eyes enough, then it's back to the cheese cutting board.

  • @marcusott2973
    @marcusott2973 5 місяців тому +679

    I love the Drach reference, to French pre Dreadnoughts. When hotels go to war.
    👍

    • @RexsHangar
      @RexsHangar  5 місяців тому +252

      It was the inspiration for the title, and he approved of the idea 😂

    • @marcusott2973
      @marcusott2973 5 місяців тому +86

      @RexsHangar no wonder,
      you have common viewership, I'm surely not the only one.
      Great content as always from you.

    • @SiameseKiwi
      @SiameseKiwi 5 місяців тому +80

      This just reinforces my opinion of Rex being the Drach of floaty in the air things, and Drach being the Rex of floaty in the water things.

    • @slavkovalsky1671
      @slavkovalsky1671 5 місяців тому +9

      Beat me to it, Marcus ))

    • @beyondsingularity
      @beyondsingularity 5 місяців тому +18

      That was the first drach vid I ever watched.

  • @maxo.9928
    @maxo.9928 5 місяців тому +209

    Saw someone else make a spot on comment. The french designs make the entire roster of Blohm & Voss stuff look normal and aerodynamically sound - and that's truly a feat

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 5 місяців тому +29

      Many of these designs could be replicated with Lego using only basic (no curved) pieces.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 5 місяців тому +8

      ​@@MonkeyJedi99
      If any scale models of these exist it is likely they are only available from the Polish card model publishers. Many of which are quite amazing.

    • @SwingNeil
      @SwingNeil 5 місяців тому +13

      Bleriot: We need a wind tunnel to test our designs.
      French Air Ministry: Best I can do is a box fan and a culvert.

    • @20chocsaday
      @20chocsaday 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@SwingNeil But if you want a higher speed then wait for the Mistral.

  • @stephenrickstrew7237
    @stephenrickstrew7237 5 місяців тому +53

    Visually distressing is a very polite way of saying “ they are hard to look at.”

    • @Ballin4Vengeance
      @Ballin4Vengeance 4 місяці тому

      It’s a loveable ugliness though
      I think they look cool in their own ugly way

  • @maddox0110
    @maddox0110 5 місяців тому +43

    Following the analogue with the French Predreads. "How can these visual crimes against humanity fly?" My question "How can those land? The earth rejects them".

  • @AndrewGivens
    @AndrewGivens 5 місяців тому +68

    The DB-10 didn't have its defensive guns in the nose; they were in the *conning tower* quite clearly.
    Amazing! Many thanks for this vud.

  • @davidfuller581
    @davidfuller581 5 місяців тому +41

    What is it with the French? First you have hotel battleships, now you have greenhouse bombers.

    • @kenjones2973
      @kenjones2973 5 місяців тому +8

      Look it's just a French thing, OK? Somethings are better not asked.

    • @Athrun82
      @Athrun82 5 місяців тому +9

      You forgot the village tank: the Char 2C

    • @20chocsaday
      @20chocsaday 4 місяці тому +4

      Observation is what we do. We look in windows as well as out.

    • @404-ThisUsernameIsAlreadyTaken
      @404-ThisUsernameIsAlreadyTaken 2 місяці тому +1

      The French copy no one, and no one copies the French.

    • @kimmoj2570
      @kimmoj2570 2 місяці тому +1

      And Char B1 tank, which hull mounted 75mm gun did not have horizontal traverse. Driver was demanded to lay the freaking gun while as side job drive nearly 30 ton tank. French do everything opposite of rest of world.

  • @chegeny
    @chegeny 5 місяців тому +78

    Thanks for delving into these exquisitely fascinating old machines. They look as though they were created by Studio Ghibli.

    • @jon-paulfilkins7820
      @jon-paulfilkins7820 5 місяців тому +18

      Hayao Miyazaki is a huge aviation buff, he HAS been taking notes. See Nausicaä and Porco Rosso, every aircraft featured in those has been based on something real.

    • @MM22966
      @MM22966 4 місяці тому +2

      @@jon-paulfilkins7820 Except for the aviform ornithopter planes, right? :)

    • @jon-paulfilkins7820
      @jon-paulfilkins7820 4 місяці тому +7

      @@MM22966 Well, someone (and I think it was someone French) did try to make an ornithopter at the time, but generally if it has propellers and is in a Miyazak film, it is probably based on something real.

    • @Shinzon23
      @Shinzon23 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@jon-paulfilkins7820 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithopter generally its only been last 40 years successfully flying ornithopter designs have been a thing, but the French did have a decently successful research project during the Interwar years focused on them

  • @landak136
    @landak136 5 місяців тому +23

    You know, I'm learning French on duolingo, and just finished French numerals. And somehow I think their bomber designs came from the same line of thought that pronounces 77 as "sixty seventeen" or 94 as "four-twenty fourteen".

    • @leosimon241
      @leosimon241 5 місяців тому +13

      In fact, this strange ways of calling the numerals comes from the ancient gauls that used a 20 based system while the romans used a 10 based system. 20 being the number of finger+toes that a normal person have.

    • @BigEightiesNewWave
      @BigEightiesNewWave Місяць тому +1

      Makes perfect sense in a 20-based system, having read the comment on such. But why not eighty-fourteen, for 94?
      But then I researched it and found this..."French Numbers: 80-89
      Likewise, there's no word for “eighty” in standard French. * The French say quatre-vingts, literally four-twenties. ** So 81 is quatre-vingt-un (four-twenty-one), 82 is quatre-vingt-deux (four-twenty-two), etc."

  • @KarriKoivusalo
    @KarriKoivusalo 5 місяців тому +38

    These would make fantastic sky pirate planes in a Hayao Miyazaki movie.

    • @Ballin4Vengeance
      @Ballin4Vengeance 4 місяці тому +6

      How do you know they aren’t?
      I pretty sure I saw some of these in Howl’s Moving Castle

    • @datboi2250
      @datboi2250 3 місяці тому +5

      I wonder would they say "yarr harr harr" or "hon hon hon"

  • @hlynnkeith9334
    @hlynnkeith9334 5 місяців тому +34

    Have studied aviation history -- especially WW1 -- for 50+ years, but this is the first time I have heard of Amedeu Mecozzi. Thank you for the introduction. My compliments.

  • @liveliestawfulness
    @liveliestawfulness 5 місяців тому +9

    These french designs remind me of the 'aircraft' I used to make out of old style Lego back in the 70s.

  • @ThreenaddiesRexMegistus
    @ThreenaddiesRexMegistus 5 місяців тому +8

    They either look like aerial garden sheds or are rather beautiful art-deco influenced, and streamlined artworks. There’s no middle way.
    14:01 Old-mate nonchalantly smoking a Gauloise amongst canvas, fuel, and other burny things, cool factor 110% - absolutely NFG, bloody legend! 👍🏻😁

    • @Sturminfantrist
      @Sturminfantrist 5 місяців тому +3

      if i remember well some WW2 US Fighterplanes had Ashtrays built in the Cockpit

    • @ThreenaddiesRexMegistus
      @ThreenaddiesRexMegistus 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Sturminfantrist certainly the P47 did, and likely many others too. They probably weren’t too worried about lung cancer when life expectancy could be measured in minutes.

    • @AndrewGivens
      @AndrewGivens 2 місяці тому

      @@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus Or fuel vapours. As I recall, this was one of the theories proposed for the loss of the Flight 19-search Mariner. Fag break in a flying fuel tank.

  • @jayyydizzzle
    @jayyydizzzle 5 місяців тому +38

    WE EATING GOOD TODAY BOYS

  • @Dank_Lulu
    @Dank_Lulu 5 місяців тому +68

    I like these longer videos, they're excellant to spread over my downtime over the course of a few days. And it's genuinely usefull to hear how in real time, the airplane manufacturers were problemsolving for the specific functions the plane had to perform; the tacticians were problemsolving in real time for what functions the plane needed to perform and the officials were problemsolving in real time how not to look bad in front of the public.

  • @tommytwotacos8106
    @tommytwotacos8106 5 місяців тому +24

    I've loved planes MY WHOLE LIFE and just had no idea it was this freaking crazy until I discovered your channel. Thank you so much, I can't even describe how much entertainment and joy you've brought to my life.

    • @benjaminbarrera214
      @benjaminbarrera214 5 місяців тому +3

      Other sources tend to concentrate on the planes that were successful and had historically important operational achievements. These other planes get overlooked, for obvious reasons, but are still fascinating to people like us.

  • @mpetersen6
    @mpetersen6 5 місяців тому +28

    Preflight fheck list
    Bomb load..check
    Cheese..check
    Vin ordinaire..check
    Baugettes..check
    Hampster taunts..check

    • @cameronnewton7053
      @cameronnewton7053 2 місяці тому

      Your mother was a hamster! And your father smells of elder berries!

  • @anzaca1
    @anzaca1 5 місяців тому +41

    I have to say, your sense of humour makes these videos so much better than they already are! I think the matter-of-fact, Rowan Atkinson-style delivery is what really sells it.

    • @emjackson2289
      @emjackson2289 5 місяців тому +2

      Certainly concludes with a Blackadder-esque conclusion of the French bombers between 1930s and mid-1940 "BOOM! BOOM! BOOM BOOM!" - as the ground crews blew them up.

  • @richardharden
    @richardharden 5 місяців тому +6

    Hot take but a lot of these look beautiful to me, I cant help but close my eyes and imagine the amazing view some of these green house designs would allow.

  • @jphakola
    @jphakola 4 місяці тому +3

    It`s quite interesting to think that only after 10 years since the introduction of Amiot 143, a B-29 bomber had dropped a atomic bomb and first requirements were drafted for a project that eventually led to the B-52 that is still an operational aircraft.

  • @craniusdominus8234
    @craniusdominus8234 5 місяців тому +9

    This is the long-awaited Dastardly and Mutley origin story

  • @perrydowd9285
    @perrydowd9285 5 місяців тому +9

    "... several prototypes which didn't get anywhere but did look equally weird."
    What a unique combination of words. 🤔

  • @Insanitypants80
    @Insanitypants80 5 місяців тому +5

    Rex has an almost British turn of phrase on understated euphemisms. Vis-a-vis... (pause)... "adventurous design choices" :)

    • @kieranh2005
      @kieranh2005 5 місяців тому +5

      The Aussies take British dry humor, marinade it well in sarcasm and serve.

  • @gapexx
    @gapexx 5 місяців тому +6

    The naration since you ask was perfect on this, I applaud your decision to go on the fly with it, not scripted text.

  • @timweather3847
    @timweather3847 5 місяців тому +5

    I wasn’t expecting to burst out into spontaneous laughter over and over again as ever more hideous designs of aircraft were shown. Amazing.

  • @wildancrazy159
    @wildancrazy159 5 місяців тому +30

    Your longer videos, while I'm sure taxing and consuming great amounts of time for you, are the best. When you are able to concentrate on one area the work is so much better and a real pleasure to consume.
    As a loyal watcher and fan, you are one of a handful of channels I actively search out for, and actively get excited when a new video is found.
    Thank you, your work is important to many of us!

  • @bakerzermatt
    @bakerzermatt 5 місяців тому +4

    Watching this, I'm amazed at the technical advancement in aviation, especially ompared to other weapons of war.
    A rifle from 1914 is far inferior to a modern rifle, but it can still (just barely) get the job done for a soldier today. The rate of fire is far worse, but the bullet is just as deadly, and the accuracy is similar.
    An airplane from 1914, however, is basically a toy compared to a modern aircraft. A French 1914 bomber is closer to a child's kite than to an F35.

    • @Mudge07
      @Mudge07 5 місяців тому +2

      Another irony is that a toy drone is now the lethal bomber weapon and reconnaissance tool of modern armies.

  • @baivesan
    @baivesan 5 місяців тому +3

    That thumbnail has me hooked. Visually distressing is my new favorite expression!

  • @rogerhinman5427
    @rogerhinman5427 5 місяців тому +10

    I sometimes think the first requirement of each aircraft's design was to "look funky".

    • @flipvdfluitketel867
      @flipvdfluitketel867 5 місяців тому +6

      "sacre bleu, vee are not boriing like ze germans, make it look interestingue no?"

    • @AndrewGivens
      @AndrewGivens 2 місяці тому

      Oh, such an idea! A montage of these things, with a backing soundtrack of Chic and assorted French disco-funk.
      Cut to Germans, with national anthem playing, for a few seconds.
      Back to funk soundtrack and more French flying carbuncles.

  • @randomguy4616
    @randomguy4616 5 місяців тому +10

    I love it when Rex start talking about old french bomber or when Drach start talking about old french pre-dreadnought 😂😂😂

  • @MrPanzer234
    @MrPanzer234 5 місяців тому +34

    My favorite of these aircraft has to be the Farman 222 and the Breguet 19. The 222 may be interwar but it can carry a crazy amount of bombs for the time and is a joy to fly in Warthunder while the Breguet just looks cool to me. Thanks for the videos and I wish you a merry Christmas.

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn 5 місяців тому +10

      The flying cardboard boxcar is definitely a load of fun to fly because of how enormous and stupid it looks. Stupid looking planes are the most enjoyable imo.

    • @leofigoboh1611
      @leofigoboh1611 5 місяців тому

      the Baguette 19

    • @Danse_Macabre_125
      @Danse_Macabre_125 5 місяців тому

      +1 for the Baguette 19

    • @robertwilloughby8050
      @robertwilloughby8050 5 місяців тому

      Breguet 19? Didn't that have such a fantastic range that it was nicknamed the "Flying Fuel Tank"? I know something French and bomber like had that nickname.

    • @Danse_Macabre_125
      @Danse_Macabre_125 5 місяців тому

      @robertwilloughby8050 Maybe the Super-Bidon version of the Baguette 19? I'm not sure, my knowledge of French interwar planes doesn't exist

  • @ivannovorolnik5054
    @ivannovorolnik5054 5 місяців тому +9

    back in late 80´s Czechoslovak model kit producer bought some molds from Heller (?) - so i had a collection of french aviation - Amiot 143, LeO 451, Brequet 639, Potez 540 + czechoslovak licence version of MB 200.... and indeed, those planes got some weird french design :-)

  • @MrGrimsmith
    @MrGrimsmith 5 місяців тому +5

    Classic examples of "The French copy no one and no one copies the French".

    • @jeromelemoine1942
      @jeromelemoine1942 6 днів тому

      No one copies the French except when one uses words like fuselage, ailerons, mayday, parachute, army corps, division, brigade, regiment, battalion, squadron, group, company, platoon, squad, general, lieutenant, sergeant, corporal, soldier, uniform, camouflage, espionnage, fusilier, grenadier, armament... ;)

    • @MrGrimsmith
      @MrGrimsmith 6 днів тому

      @@jeromelemoine1942 Actually we blame the Scandinavians for that one. What? The Normans were
      Vikings that took a wrong turn through France on the way, we've never been beaten by the cheese eaters! :D

    • @jeromelemoine1942
      @jeromelemoine1942 6 днів тому

      @@MrGrimsmith if the Normans were Viking, why didn't they speak scandinavian then?

  • @obroni
    @obroni 5 місяців тому +3

    1:24:10 - Have you seen my 34 foot stepladder? I've misplaced it, somehow.

  • @gdude3957
    @gdude3957 4 місяці тому +2

    I am a former aircraft electrical mechanic, USAF and civilian contractor. I had to work with engineers...ARRGH.. Love your commentary!

  • @jamesengland7461
    @jamesengland7461 5 місяців тому +5

    Your commentary on French aircraft "style" is priceless! 😂

  • @johnharris2337
    @johnharris2337 5 місяців тому +8

    Fascinating stuff, French Hemp must have been good in the 20s and 30s!
    I moved from Cronulla to Malaeny in December, loaded the truck, as a Welshman I almost melted away, no aircon in homes in the 90s. Lasted 15 years in Oz.

  • @AtomicTankGirl
    @AtomicTankGirl 5 місяців тому +3

    "I'm gonna make a quick vid about French bombers..."
    -6 months later-
    "And there's another series done."

  • @jmi5969
    @jmi5969 5 місяців тому +14

    I usually listen to Rex's video as a background, only listening, but this occasion is different. A connoisseur's delight, aesthetic treat, x-files (x as in x-rated) of ancient times.

  • @ProvidenceNL
    @ProvidenceNL 5 місяців тому +18

    I have to admit Rex, that i didnt realise how much i missed your regular amazing quality videos. Glad youre getting back in to things and settled in your new home!

  • @glennsimpson7659
    @glennsimpson7659 5 місяців тому +9

    A companion piece on the Hispano-Suiza and Gnome-Rhône engines with which these aircraft were powered would be very interesting. I have always wondered why the G-R radials were so susceptible to battle damage whereas the Pratt & Whitneys would still run with one or two cylinders shot off!

  • @greenseaships
    @greenseaships 5 місяців тому +17

    For those who don't know, Rex's book archive is the warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's quite.... hard to find your way around if you don't already know! So we must remember to be patient.

    • @MediumRareOpinions
      @MediumRareOpinions 5 місяців тому +5

      Curated by top men no doubt

    • @Bird_Dog00
      @Bird_Dog00 5 місяців тому +5

      Isn't that Warehouse 13?
      Curated by a gaggle of excentric misfits?

  • @markbaker9459
    @markbaker9459 5 місяців тому +4

    Aloha Rex,
    Although I am now grounded and disabled, that doesn't mean I 'm not interested in flight and how we got to this stage of aviation.
    Any and all aircraft, winners and losers may be useful to view or study.
    Tech never is stagnant and can only be here and now because of how it got here .
    Although I am not interested in weapons or a better way to destroy mankind, there are lessons to learn from even these aircraft.

  • @BR-kv5kj
    @BR-kv5kj 5 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for your huge knowledge and outstanding analysis of this very sad period. The main sentence is : too few, too late. Felicitations.
    Great Britain had two achievements during the 30's : the fighters (Hurricane, Spitfire) and heavy bombers (Stirling, Lancaster,...).
    (a french officer of naval aviation 1970-2000)

  • @bob_the_bomb4508
    @bob_the_bomb4508 5 місяців тому +26

    Are we sure Blackburn wasn’t a French company?

    • @guidor.4161
      @guidor.4161 5 місяців тому +5

      Yes, I always thought the Blackburn Blackburn was the most ugly aircraft ever, but i might have to re-consider...

    • @keithwasntbarrumsing483
      @keithwasntbarrumsing483 5 місяців тому +5

      @@guidor.4161wait until you realise the Buccaneer was one of Blackburn’s prettiest aeroplanes

    • @guidor.4161
      @guidor.4161 5 місяців тому

      Buccaneer is beautiful!@@keithwasntbarrumsing483

    • @j_taylor
      @j_taylor 5 місяців тому +5

      I think of Blackburn as a triumph of Men In Sheds, in a way that could maybe never happen outside of Yorkshire.

    • @bob_the_bomb4508
      @bob_the_bomb4508 5 місяців тому

      @@j_taylor I thought Blackburn was in Lancashire?

  • @gyrene_asea4133
    @gyrene_asea4133 5 місяців тому +10

    Rex, you have outdone yourself. You are presenting quality product on a topic that I had never imagined that I needed to learn about. Fantastic work!

  • @ianchristie3995
    @ianchristie3995 5 місяців тому +4

    The French; "what is this concept of Aerodynamics you speak of?"

  • @Goddot
    @Goddot 5 місяців тому +2

    The Bernard 82 looks straight out of Tintin. Love it. Seeing the Farman F220 after that is a punch to the eyes

  • @DavidSiebert
    @DavidSiebert 5 місяців тому +4

    A twin that could be used as a bomber, recon, interceptor, and ground attack? You mean like the JU-88, ME-410, P38, Beaufigter, A-20 Havoc, Mosquito, and to some degree the B-25. I left the ME-210 off the list because it did nothing well. I could also add the P-47, F6F, and F4U to that list as well as other rolls but they were singles and were really fighters that could carry bombs. Sometimes a lot of bombs. So it was not such a crazy idea just don't try to make it a heavy bomber as well.

    • @wbertie2604
      @wbertie2604 5 місяців тому

      The A-20 wasn't really used much as an interceptor (nightfighter) by USAAF (mostly training), RAF (short career) or USSR (not at all, IIRC). But mentioning it is ironic given it was originally intended for France given its failure to finally get a good light bomber sorted out in the LeO 451 early enough to ramp up production fast enough to be ready for WW2.

  • @The_Modeling_Underdog
    @The_Modeling_Underdog 5 місяців тому +3

    Absolutely brutal undertake, mate. Loved it.
    Part 2 will surely feature one of the most beautiful interwar period bomber families, the Amiot 350 series. A gem of a design, sadly courtailed by being French in its leisurely slow development.
    Thanks for touching on the subject of corruption. I remember the old AVIONS and AeroJournal magazine articles dealing with aircraft industry and how much of its crumbling performance came down to outright corruption, political/economical interest and general "Laissez faire" atittude at every level even after nationalization and the Germans looming on the horizon.
    Cheers.

  • @matthewmarek1467
    @matthewmarek1467 5 місяців тому +11

    Major props for doing this in a script free format. If you had been reading a script, I would likely have tuned out 30 min in. The free flowing style allowed you to pursue points of interest in a very natural and engaging manner. I never thought I'd car enough about interwar French bombers to happily spend nearly 2 hours listening about them, but here we are. Very well presented.

  • @markgordon2260
    @markgordon2260 5 місяців тому +1

    3:49 - the front looks like a place, which, to put it politely, is used to muddy the waters in the underlying moat.

  • @yes_head
    @yes_head 5 місяців тому +4

    Maurice: I tell you Louis -- what could be better than putting all essential persons in a large bathtub under the fuselage, where fighters diving out of the sun can't reach them?!
    Louis: But what about fighters that attack from below?
    Maurice: ... More wine?

  • @thomasbalivet1057
    @thomasbalivet1057 5 місяців тому +8

    Thank you very much for this video, My grand father was at that time young aero engineer part of the team that designed the Potez 63/11. Like all about France in this dark period that led to the catastrophy of 1940 the sum of the parts was unfortunately appallingly lower than the true individual talents and capacities.

  • @bobphillips2188
    @bobphillips2188 5 місяців тому +2

    Regarding something you say about presentation;- don't change a thing, you don't ramble, I like this less scripted Rex, really. I even like your pronunciation attempts that don't really work! Classic Brit speaking French with a solid English accent!! I am not even taking the p--s either, it is what it is, and you are who you are, and we love you the more for it. It is as if Rex's Hanger already existed, just waiting for you to fill the void! (Yet I appreciate the squillions of hours of solid research you must have done to arrive where you have, and the support you receive is testament to it, and to you a thousand thanks for your graft)

  • @mdavid2822
    @mdavid2822 5 місяців тому +4

    Whether they're building ships or planes, the French penchant for covoluted designs never ceases to amaze.

    • @Arno_L
      @Arno_L 5 місяців тому +1

      Look at the Dunkerque and the Richelieu , they are very elegant ships

  • @delzworld2007
    @delzworld2007 5 місяців тому +4

    Your unscripted narration is excellent, which only goes to prove that you really know your subject well. Well done, and thank you.

  • @henrythewhite
    @henrythewhite 5 місяців тому +2

    1:38:31 I have gone back over this several times, and I'm still hearing "friendship bombers" 😄
    Thank you for the video Rex!

  • @teamchimp
    @teamchimp 5 місяців тому +2

    Good video. I commend you for being in australia and having books. Gives you something to fight off the killer spiders

  • @abnurtharn2927
    @abnurtharn2927 5 місяців тому +2

    Some of those planes looks like something the boys over at Flite Test could have glued together.

  • @davidpope3943
    @davidpope3943 5 місяців тому +1

    The French bombers were viewed with some astonishment by those in the British Expeditionary Force Air Component. Paul Richey DFC, the author of the book ‘Fighter Pilot’ flew Hurricanes with RAF No.1 Squadron. When they arrived in Cherbourg, he wrote,
    ‘We dispersed the aircraft along a road and were at once surrounded by groups of French sailors. They were conscripts and showed great interest in our Hurricanes, marvelling at their armament and politely incredulous at their performance figures.
    This was not surprising, for the only aircraft besides small training machines we saw at Cherbourg were Latécoère dive-bombers-high-wing monoplanes with one 640-horsepower Hispano engine (half the horsepower of a Hurricane), one machine-gun firing through the propeller and another in a rear turret, and carrying two 500 lb bombs, plus the incredible crew of five- pilot, bomb-aimer, gunner, navigator, and engineer!
    Normal speed was only 80 mph, but right 'off the clock' while dive-bombing. The men who dared dive those ghastly contraptions with that load aboard were worthy of the name.’
    And although I guess he should know, I’ve never fully identified this beast, the closest possibly being the wheeled version of the Latécoère 290, some of which were at Cherbourg at the time, although they only carried three crew. I suppose they could well have been multi-tasking to cover 5 tasks and that Richey was confused but he was fluent in French so that’s unlikely. It’s something that’s always bugged me!

  • @goatflieg
    @goatflieg 5 місяців тому +4

    Due to the deep-dive length, I had to wait for the right time to give this a proper view. Despite my decades-long devotion to military aircraft, I hadn't heard of any of the aircraft covered here and I found it to be fascinating. I was especially surprised at the astounding production numbers of these bizarre aircraft. Your presentation was flawless; I never would have guessed that it was unscripted and your wry commentary was brilliant. This was a great presentation of a little-known part of aviation history. Your efforts are very much appreciated and I look forward to Pt 2.

  • @SuperchargedSupercharged
    @SuperchargedSupercharged 5 місяців тому +4

    I have not watched it yet, but thank you for the long video! You are now the Drydock of the sky!

  • @jameslawrie3807
    @jameslawrie3807 5 місяців тому +3

    It should also be noted that the French and Belgians had warned the world that the Reichswehr had been violating the Versailles Treaty almost from the outset. The Weimar Republic had been largely subordinate to the Reichswehr in many ways, they German army had been allowed to disengage to go back and crush the German socialist uprisings that had ended The Great War and this had made the army a state within a state.
    This is why French and American officers had said at Versailles "well have to fight them again in twenty years"; they hadn't destroyed the Germany army and removed Prussian militarism as the basis of the state. This is frequently misrepresented as a testimony that the treaty had been too harsh, something not borne out by the actual statements of the officers involved.

  • @bobphillips2188
    @bobphillips2188 5 місяців тому +5

    Hi. I have loved aircraft all my life - I am 66 - and I thought I knew a bit about them, even the less well known types, even the French idiosyncrasies you have described here in your inimitable way. But clearly not! Brilliant stuff sir, I salute your massive energies in rooting out information on these inter-war monstrosities!! I can't even imagine where I'd start looking to find the pictures and photos and information on such obscure yet real - many thousands of all sorts built over the years - aeroplanes. I raise a glass to the French, I raise a second glass to you and your perseverance (-;)~

  • @ianmcguinness5029
    @ianmcguinness5029 5 місяців тому +7

    I think that this has been my favourite video of the year by ANY creator. Well done, Rex. Eagerly awaiting part 2 and hopefully many more long subjects.

  • @Scottagram
    @Scottagram 5 місяців тому +2

    I thought "hey I know that road" until I realised it could be literally any Australian road that isn't a highway.

  • @wfp9378
    @wfp9378 5 місяців тому +5

    The French flair during this time is fantastic. Their ugly ducklings are very charming in much the same way the US M3 Lee was. A school boys dream. I have been busy looking for model kits of several of these beautiful quirky designs. Love them. I think being derogatory with the hindsight we now have is not pleasant on any level. Perhaps even banal. Its like laughing at a cripple who slipped on a banana skin. If you look at other nations at the time they had some equally poor designs, but all of them had good reason at the time.

  • @martindice5424
    @martindice5424 5 місяців тому +3

    The French fixation with tactical air reconnaissance is a bit ironic since the missed the biggest military traffic jam in history in May 1940…
    Or they reported and were not believed- which is even worse.. 🤔

  • @SuperchargedSupercharged
    @SuperchargedSupercharged 5 місяців тому +6

    This was the best video you have ever made. Thank you for not just telling us what happened, but why it happened.

    • @TheLateBird7
      @TheLateBird7 5 місяців тому +1

      My thoughts exactly. Rex rules!

  • @anzaca1
    @anzaca1 5 місяців тому +6

    1:25:23 Honestly, I'd been interested to see how this armament would've performed if they tried using it as essentially an early AC-130.

  • @Nastyswimmer
    @Nastyswimmer 5 місяців тому +2

    1:17:50 - I doubt that the crew in the gondola were at much disadvantage when it came to fighter attacks. The metal skin of the plane was less than 1mm thick so provided no defence from anything more powerful than an air rifle.

  • @jerrymail
    @jerrymail 5 місяців тому +2

    I love the Amiot 143M and the Bloch MB200 and 210 ^^ Hope to build the Heller's models one day.
    Thanks for this interesting video on the French aviation.

    • @glennsimpson7659
      @glennsimpson7659 5 місяців тому +1

      I built the Heller models 50 years ago and still have them. How they ever went to war in an Amiot 143 defies the imagination.

  • @flemmingaaberg4457
    @flemmingaaberg4457 5 місяців тому +1

    2 months for a movie length feature is definitely a short lead time. Extra well done given the move.

  • @tankmodeler
    @tankmodeler 5 місяців тому +1

    The non-script presentation delivery was quite good, so no need to change.

  • @mickwindle7723
    @mickwindle7723 5 місяців тому +4

    Who would have thought that a documentary about pre war French Bombers would be so enjoyable to watch, I think the term 'Horrendously Frightening Aircraft' sums it up! Thank you for producing this excellent video.

  • @williammorris584
    @williammorris584 4 місяці тому +1

    I really enjoyed this longer form episode, but then I have always been interested in these um, angular French bombers of the interwar period.

  • @DuncanHolland
    @DuncanHolland 3 місяці тому +1

    'Aggressive reconnaissance....'
    Not a phrase I've heard before, but a good one.
    😊

  • @UncleJoeLITE
    @UncleJoeLITE 5 місяців тому +1

    An obscure area I didn't even know I was interested in. Fully understand the moving problem, I just moved 1,200km to Surfers myself.

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 5 місяців тому +1

    The DB-10 reminds me of the top half of Cain from Robocop 2. These aircraft look amazing in terrible ways!

  • @drlong08
    @drlong08 5 місяців тому +1

    The steampunk references are most welcome. I have to tell you that these designs also have inspired my cyclecart designs. Thank you, sir! You are a Gentleman and Scholar.

  • @MrCenturion13
    @MrCenturion13 5 місяців тому +1

    Reminds me of Drachinifel's "French Pre-Dreadnoughts - When Hotels Go to War".

  • @Mudge07
    @Mudge07 5 місяців тому +1

    Truly a comprehensive compendium of French aviation concepts and conundrums. I’ve an old edition of Jane’s aircraft of the later period (Part 2) so was greatly intrigued by the preceding period’s developments and designs.

  • @chrismoule7242
    @chrismoule7242 5 місяців тому +1

    That explanation of the bombing doctrine was brilliant. Thank you.

  • @tetra4411
    @tetra4411 5 місяців тому +1

    I’m into RC planes. This is a treasure trove of new ideas for scale model builds. Thanks .

  • @drstevenrey
    @drstevenrey 20 днів тому

    LOL, 'cuve à eclipse', basically meaning 'tank in the shade'. Made my day.

  • @frankbarnwell____
    @frankbarnwell____ 5 місяців тому +1

    As a US Coast Guard brat and moving a lot. A chore, but a new beach ahead. Congratulations and thank you!

  • @PointyHairedJedi
    @PointyHairedJedi 5 місяців тому +2

    Imagine if Blackburn had ever collaborated with one of these companies during the interwar period. What horrors we could have seen...

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 5 місяців тому +1

      screen doors on submarines come to mind

  • @ThePlayerOfGames
    @ThePlayerOfGames 5 місяців тому +1

    Seeing this video right as I've started the French Air tech tree in War Thunder is perfect timing 😁. I'm loving these angry greenhouses!

  • @thomasvandevelde8157
    @thomasvandevelde8157 5 місяців тому +7

    I never was that much into aerial history, but you're one of the reasons I'm getting an interest in this matter! :-) Besides the fact I'm deeply into the history of wireless, TV and the lot. And obviously radar too, which obviously intersects with military planes a little bit... And this was another good one I must say! Even for those 'off the spectrum' lol. Very understandable, and very easy to follow, even if English is not my native language. Barely noticed the absence of script.
    Regards,
    Thomas
    PS. But Lordie, was this one heavy on the eyes!

  • @jean-mariejm7404
    @jean-mariejm7404 5 місяців тому

    Superb video. Well done Rex

  • @Claymore5
    @Claymore5 5 місяців тому +1

    Truly excellent Rex - love your work on this - possibly one of your very best. Keep up the great work.

  • @SosusTube
    @SosusTube 5 місяців тому +1

    The "garage"? Hey fellas, the "garage"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man

  • @graemesaltire7595
    @graemesaltire7595 Місяць тому

    Great work Jake!

  • @tweakerfreaker18
    @tweakerfreaker18 2 місяці тому

    In decades of watching UA-cam videos I have probably commented on less than 20 videos but this series was so well researched and presented that I feel subscription and comment were in order. Very well done, lad. Very. Well. Done.

  • @camrsr5463
    @camrsr5463 5 місяців тому +1

    Congrats on the new place! hope you love it!
    It feels soooooo good to know you don't have to move for a long time.

  • @vaughanlockett658
    @vaughanlockett658 5 місяців тому +2

    Cheers Rex , love this inter war period so much going on . Those french pilots were so brave a few bottles of wine and a kiss of farewell from the wife and kids before you took off .

    • @glennsimpson7659
      @glennsimpson7659 5 місяців тому +1

      And another kiss from your mistress when you landed…

  • @MarcWeertsMusic
    @MarcWeertsMusic 5 місяців тому

    Another brilliant video. Love your style of presentation; full of facts but also lighthearted.

  • @Baron-Ortega
    @Baron-Ortega 5 місяців тому

    Wow thanks Rex! Merry Christmas!