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Fender vs Sire
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2019
- Comparing and contrasting 2 brands weighing the pros and cons. Let me know what you think in the comments. This was not a paid promotion... i do not benefit in any way from either of these companies. These are just my honest opinions on both of these manufactures.
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You're a talented presenter (not to mention bassist)! Your content is really good, much higher than most channels. Keep it up my man.
Thank you
It's no contest in my book-Sire! My Marcus Miller V7 5 is easily one of the best basses that I've ever played. That includes Alembic, Cirrus USA, Ken Smith, and Warwick. NO CONTEST vs. Fender!!!
Keith Copeland I got a V7 but I’d been thinking about a Fender jaZZ ELITE. Let’s forget about price. Which one do you think is the best one?
@@situacionando I have played a Fender Jazz bass before and I wasn't feeling it. It was too heavy and too expensive. I haven't played a Jazz Elite so I can't comment on how it plays. However, there is no way that I would spend my money on a Jazz Elite! I hope that you are able to try out a Sire MM Jazz and a Fender Jazz Elite. It's YOUR money and you need to be sure of what you're getting for the money. Again, I haven't played a Jazz Elite, but I am not convinced that it's a better bass than my Sire MM Jazz!
Hello Keith, i am considering between a V7 Vintage alder and a fender jazz bass. I am playing pop, funk, jazz. Can you recommend me a suitable bass for the music i am playing? Thanks
I bought the P7 2 weeks ago based on your videos! No regrets.
I’d recently spoke with someone that I consider a “real” bass player, and I’d mentioned that I was considering buying a Fender 5 string. He recommended that I go with Sire. Your review here makes sense, so I plan to go with Sire. Thanks for posting.
I would love to have Fender Jazz Bass Ultra V Aged Natural. BUT Fender is 4 times more EXPENSIVE
I haven’t had the chance to play a sire bass yet.. but I’ve yet to play a fender that is worth the price they’re asking for.
I have V10 on the way... can’t wait to get that one in my hands!!
How do you like it?
They Look awesome but I am into 70s pickup spacing. Too bad V10 is 60s.
I just bought a Sire Marcus Miller V7 5 string. It is absolutely my favorite bass I've ever played on. The pre-amp is insane, I've never found another bass that sounds that clean on active pick ups. Also the fret board feels amazing, they managed to keep a five string bass feeling tight so yeah, Sire is amazing!
Awesome man. I have been interested in the Sires since I started following your channel several months ago. You give a strong endorsement for em.
Looking sharp Bully! I own a P-J Fender, which I can pretty much use for anything. Having said that, I recently played a Sire M7 at a music store nearby and was blown away: neck was wonderful, nice overall construction, great sound and super versatile.
I agree with you 100 percent on the active electronics. Ive got two basses at the moment, and both of them are active. I had a Fender MIJ jazz with passive electronics. I sold it after a few months. I loved the look and the feel of it, but after getting used to my 3 band eq Sting Ray i can't get over the tone shaping capabilities of the active eq. I haven't gotten my hands on a Sire yet, but im definitely looking into buying one. Thanks for the info brotha man!
Great video , dig your content!
Ok I’ve had a rollercoaster affair with Sire , been playing them since 2015 and was one of the first on my scene gigging with one. Fast forward to now and 3 Sire’s later…
1st Gen Sire V7 5 string Ash - Neck issues and 2 luthiers later.. cost me $$$’s and still couldn’t get low action without fret buzz… After going back and forth and being persistent Sire sent a Gen 2 neck in 2019 , Holy smokes what a difference! I also got replacement tuners second gen from Sire , So Sire customer service is very good! Finally my O.G. Bass was in prime shape!
I loved the preamp so much that I bought a second hand Sire Alder V7 5 string (circa 2017) , that one was good Action/neck wise , it became my number 1 bass . But then the preamp died about a year later , then I contacted Sire and told them I needed a new preamp , they sold me one.
In 2022 I bought my 3rd and final Sire , the V5 4 string , absolutely loved that roasted 2nd gen neck… It was great! But… the pots were crackling like crazy until they gave out! And it was only within 3 weeks of my V5 purchase…
So in my personal experience , I’ve had nothing but bad luck with Sire basses.. it’s a shame because I’ve spent a lot of money fixing all 3 basses so far…
Are they a good buy ? I’d say buyer beware of possible QC issues. They sound great and the 2nd gen necks are great, especially the roasted necks! Unfortunately for me , it’s the end of the Sire road! You may ask why buy a 3rd Sire after all the issues… well I kept hearing that the QC has come a long way from the first gen back in 2015, So I took a chance.
I will drop a Audere preamp on the V5 and fix it once and for all…. Oh … just remembered to mention that one of the nut slots was cut too low on the V5….. another nail in the coffin! It was buzz city right after I changed the original strings on the V5 💔
Positives: Great Tone, Great 2nd Gen necks
Cons: For me Quality Control
your perfectly right mister ! got me a 4 st V9 2nd generation and i can tell you this bass a beast !
That's a badass neck-tie, buddy
So, I bought Sire V7 5 string ash maple in sunburst finish. I bought it used but it came basicaly new and in pristine condition. Of all the basses I have, and I have 3, this one is the best bass I ever bought. Now, I can settle for a while and enjoy playing a nice bass. Other than that, I am now in a search for a nice fretless 4 string or a 5 string that I would put high C string on.
The Sire V5 is gorgeous with its roasted maple neck at a great price. It feels so right!
Excellent point of view. I'm just learning about the Marcus Miller Sire line. I'm impressed! I was at the music store looking Music Man Sterling basses but I just didn't like the sound, for some reason. Next, I tried some Fender Precision Player basses and Squires and they felt pretty lame, almost low quality. I randomly picked up a Sire Marcus Miller 5-string like the one in the video and it felt great and sounded awesome. I think I'm going to try to play some more and see.
Gotta agree. I recently bought a V7 Vintage 2nd gen, and this bass is just phenomenal. I have no real comparisson to a real Fender, cause i only owned entry level guitars, but i gotta say, and i heard it a lot from other people, it plays, feels, sounds and looks way more expensive. And i totally understand that a Fender bass with similar Specs just might cost double or triple of a Sire bass. You pay for the Name, for Made in America, for the knowledge and pioneership and for the Magic of having a Fender. I understand why you would want a Fender. Its just THE brand for Bass guitars with so much tradition and history. I myself would love to have an american made vintage P Bass and its completely irrational but there's just something about it, plain, simple magic but too expensive.
Hey bully I like your humbleness I like your base playing and I like your humility keep bumping it bro
Get em both if you can afford it of course, I’ve always had all types Fenders, Elites,Deluxe,Standards,Mims, I just got my first Sire P7 2nd gen 5 string, I have to say it hangs with the Fender My Elite 5 string Jazz, I’m terms of feel playability and tone, thru sound great for the price. Now I may consider another Sire.
Here’s my gripe with Fender: being left handed, and I know we’re few and far between, Fender has 0 options by way of 5 string basses for lefties. I’d love to play and support Fender basses and I love my P but needing a 5 string for modern country, I really appreciate the features and quality of the Sire.
I, too am a lefty bassist. I'm also a Luthier and repairman, for over 40 years. I make my own basses, but I do not make Fender clones/ spinoffs. There's literally dozens of makers doing that already. Most are seriously expensive. I also play gigs, where people would prefer the sound and look of a Fender. I have many Fender basses, some are parts combinations, and some are Squiers. All of them play and sound killer.. Being a Luthier has definite advantages. I've worked on many Sire basses. There are two things I do not like about them so much- the weight, and the typical factory standard 1-3/4" nut spacing. My 5's are 2", 2.125," and 2.25" nut widths.
That said, these Sire basses are absolutely the best made, best sounding instruments in this price range- so impressive, that I'm just about to order a lefty Lake Placid Blue V7 5 string. A 3-6 month wait. But a killer sounding bass for well under a grand, is something that's hard to believe, until you actually see and play one.
I owned a sire and the preamp was amazing. But the thing that lets them down is the finishing and the hardwear. On the bass I had (a V7) the gearing on one of the tuners shredded the first time i changed a string. The bridge was a bit cheap and poor quality as well. I took the scratchplate off and the pick up routing was really rough (although you wouldnt normally see it). On the ither hand the problem with fenders is you pay a lot of money for a basic instrument. I think the prices of US bases is way too high. I now play an active 5 string Ibanez and i'm happy with it.
Same thing here, but the pre amp failed on my V7, thankfully when still in guarantee, but after that, the bridge started to act up and I discovered a saddle spring was broken for the G string, so I changed the bridge for a Gotoh (far better bridge), Oh the truss rod was not well made in as much I just about got the hex key in the hole to adjust neck relief.
Funny thing I never had any trouble with the tuners, yet !
No matter what make you get, I'm sure there will always be a few to slip through QC, I still have the bass but I never play it !
Price and quality wise Sire/Marcus Miller basses really beat Fender hands down. I recently purchased a Sire/Marcus Miller bass and took it to my tech and HE commented on the bass was well maid. So just go to show,much like the PRS SE models you CAN make a quality product and the price still be reasonable. Great Sire and Marcus Miller and Great post.
Good points Bro. For me, and with price in mind, Sire gets it done. A well made bass that's affordable, plays well and then seal the deal with a Sweet preamp already loaded. Hard to get more than they're giving at the price that they're giving it. Just my opinion.
I see your points both pro and against, but I can’t bring myself to pay $1800 for an instrument made in indonesia. I recently bought an American Ultra JB 5, I swapped the pickups for Aguilar’s, the sound is amazing, I’ll put it against the most expensive Sadowsky and boutique JB style basses out there. Great video!
Hey Allen. Is a PJ configuration Squier with just the P pick up activated sound different than a Squier Jazz bass with just it's neck pick up activated? I'm saying Squier because I can't afford Fender. xD
Hi Allen! Just recently discovered your channel, happy I did. You're keeping it real and your playing and explanations are very inspiring. I love your playing style, something to aspire for myself. Hope you'll do more tutorials on funk and soul! Just recently got myself a Side V7 MM 4 string based on your recommendations and love the instrument!! Thanks.
For guitars i use mainly Strats. They sound better to play Funk. When i play bass i play Sire Marcus Miller models. They sound funkier for me
Hey man I'm looking to get a used guitar from my friend. Is it possible I can send you a picture of it to look at to assess? Wear and tear, true price? etc. Whatsapp or Email?
Proud owner/player of a M5 4 string, clear swamp ash finish...
All I can say is get a Sire... Bully hits some very good points...
They look great --beautiful instruments-- play great, rounded edges, tremendous pre-amp...
Heck with Fender, there's a new kid in town Sire!!
Get one if you can, they're going fast!
Hi Allen, how's it going? I've seen the sire basses around for a while, they do look amazing for the price. Haven't tried one yet. Hope I get the opportunity, I've heard lots of good things about them.
Yeah I love them
Sire might be a good instrument,but reselling value is not the same.After some time you can always sell your Fender for the almost same price you purchased.Which is not the same case with Sire bass
It's nice to see a pro for once take away brand snobbery and actually talk about a bass for the sake of Music and functionality itself. Sire are a great brand of bass. Play in a punk band and had a stagg bc300 which was perfect for my needs. Wanted to play something a bit classier, so went for a sire. Very happy with it.
Agreed. Play ability and sound quality means more to a professional than logo
price-wise you present a really good point. thanks for your video, am planning on getting an M2 myself. My Ibanez GSR 205 is showing signs of age and somewhat limits my tone nowadays.
Thank you so much for your insights! I was looking for real information like this instead of people mindlessly playing and saying nothing of relevance.
Thank you, Allen Brown AKA “Billie The Kid.”
You mentioned fills. When you p/u the bass to do or create fills, how do you go about it?
Usually I'll try combining scales to see what works... and tweak from there
I watch a lot of "Bully's" content and today I finally went to Anderson's in Guildford UK to trial a Sire. The M2 2nd Gen 5 string - Maple fingerboard and same colour as Allen's. I almost got a parking ticket (forgot how long I was in there playing it). For sure this is going on my Christmas list. Weight and feel is great. I normally havr issues with slap tone on my basses. First hit was perfect on M2 and it just kept coming. I need humbuckers because single coils pick up hearing loop in our church. I felt bad for my other basses - would they get a look in when I get one of these? To be fair the Spirit XT25 I have has low output. Never seems to get correct gain setup from front of house. I am confident this M2 will have some punch. Having said all this I recalled I had a new set of double ball end and once I out this on the Spirit I could slap it. So the stock strings are just rubbish - unlike the M2. If I had a criticism the pots feel loose. But that preamp, the rolled edges and maple fingerboard are just awesome. Really good bass in my experience
Can't go wrong with a sire
I'm blown away how expensive bass guitars have gotten....The Sire looks nice still think people will always prefer the Fender headstock, who could imagine a simple shape is more in demand.
Hey Bully I just baught a P7 and I love it but the B string seems kina dead everywhere, EADG all have pretty good sustain but the B not so much, bairly 3 seconds in some places and not much more everywhere else in general. Have you noticed anything like this on yous???
I have a fender deluxe active P bass MIM and I’m thinking about selling it for the P7 because my fender doesn’t have a tone knob for passive mode
Nice video Bully, thanks!
I think you inflated the price of American standards by at least 700 bucks , because even a deluxe 5 string is 1500 in some stores. I think the only way to differentiate these basses is which sounds are you looking for. I someone wants to emulate Marcus , of course Sire is the way. I've played all models on gigs and the V7 vintage works for me, but for recordings and all of that jazz, I go for my fender deluxe. That's the only thing that separates Sire against Fender. Down here in South America this isn't the case ,since a V7 can cost you about 8 to 900 , and we're talking about 1st gen.
That being said, Sire does cut corners really well , and the only thing I would change of the bass is the tunners. The overall bass is already heavy and on the first gen they used sub par tunners once they spread the word out about that particular model. So yeah, if you want to sound like Marcus without getting 2 stage preamps and all the rest of the gear, go for it, but I rather sound like myself hahaha.
And thats the beauty of it... you are your own judge... as for me i grab my sire before i would grab a fender... thats just my opinion. Thanks for the comment.
So now that the V10 is out, wondering if V10 or used Fender Elite 🤔
Yo Bully, can you do an rewiew to an Aria Pro II STB-JB/B or STB-PB/B? some people rate them as the best budget bass.... I'm curious what you would say about them compared to a Sire
Very cool and informative review, thank you Sir
Good video ,brother!
My favorite bass is PB USA, it is the simplest bass guitar BUT IT HAS A RICH SOUND. Sometimes we look for other things BUT always the sound will be in our hands. You WILL NEVER GET OVER THE PB USA. !
I totally hear ya man, I've been watching reviews on these basses for like 3 days & its hard to find a bad word said against them,
Maybe the unwanted snobbery in me still wants an American p bass but I'm trying hard to fight against that, and especially so do my finances,haha, True tho
Sire is the best bass for the money. I play my V3 more then my high end basses. Sire have the best playability. I would take a sire over a mim fender any day. Can’t wait to save up for the V10. Sire has the best quality.
V10 for life
Thanks. That was great. I learned something new.
Very nice and useful video. I own a V3 2nd edition but think to add a Sire M2 2nd edition because I am again more into metal/hard rock again. What do you think?
I look forward to your vids bit I'll have to say that there has been a shift, optics wise! Music Man Stingray comes to mind more often than not; even the Sterling line with S Duncan loaded is a go to shotgun Bass Guitar 🎸 😃
Thanks dude! I think you sold it to me :) I am waiting to sell my guitar and buy an M2 2nd gen to learn a it of slap!
Just came across your Fender vs. Sire video here.
Recently I had to sell my passive, MIA Fender PJ Bass to help cover rent d/t Covid unemployment.
When I can afford it, I’d like to score another P Bass.
I occasionally get studio session work.
This begs the question.
Will the Sire P Bass, in passive mode, give me the kind of old school P Bass tones that the producer who hired me for a given session is asking for?
I think so
@@BullyThaKidd Thank you kind sir for not only responding, but for doing so as promptly as you did. I really appreciate you for being transparent in your assessments. This is something I picked up on in watching some of your other videos.
I’ve also directed this question to several other bass gear-centric YT channels and discovered that there are a few other bass gear reviewers on YT that definitely have brand biases and come off as pretentious snobs when reviewing the lower priced, value-added brands like Sire, Squier, Rondo Music’s offerings like the Ursa and Harley Benton.
You’re definitely not one of those pretentious fellows. You’re a straight shooter in my book.
I will be acquiring a Sire PJ bass when my finances allow me to do so, not because I was told what I wanted to hear, as was suggested elsewhere. What I want to hear is unbiased honesty and I appreciate you for being honest and unbiased. Again, thank you.
Both Sire and Squire are middle of the road companies. For value and tone quality Ibanez is still the way to go until you can afford a MTD Super 5 or a Carvin. Thanks.
I own the Sire Marcus Miller V7 Alder 5-String. $649 list. It's a fantastic bass, plays and sound as good as if not better than my $1800 Fender American Precision Deluxe V. And it is a better built bass all around.
Hi mate! Thx for this video. Did you try the M7 also?
Literally was told on the phone with a sales engineer that a sire p7 5 string was of lesser quality than the ibanez i wanted to return. I love the fact it is 18V and similar to my custom Fender 4 string. Anyone have any issues with the solid one piece maple neck for the sire?
No not at all
@@BullyThaKidd great! Thanks. That's what I'm getting then. You have a particular preference between v7 and p7?
@@bryonrice8616 p7
Bully, the Ebony fretboard on these, the features on these at the pricepoint are tempting, just the resale value on the Fender name is the only thing, should you need to sell
Great video, very informative, thx
I still can't decide if I should get the V3, V5, V7... :(
Hey brother, great video! I am trying to decide between a Fender P bass or a Dimension bass! What is your opinion?
I'm not the guy for that I'm not really a fan of fender... but play them both and pick from there
Does MM make a short scale base?
I'm sold on the Sire. Is there a portable amp that you'd recommend for a student, playing small gigs with a band, with a budget of around $700 Usd?
Yeah get a rumble 200 or a TC electronic bg250
@@BullyThaKidd Thank you!
Any difference between the Alder and Swamp Ash P7? Does the Swamp Ash version worth the extra bucks?
I never played an ash version... I would imagine it would be a subtle difference on the high end
@@BullyThaKidd What's your preference for Ebony and Maple wood fretboard?
I bought a 5 string Sire P7 however I had quality issues with mine. The fretwork was bad, my pickup was loose, the knobs were not well placed and this made it hard to turn the tone/volume and other stacked knobs. So I definitely did not have the experience of playing right out of the box. I mean sure I did play it but it was frustrating with fret buzz, and the bad knobs. However, after taking it to a shop to get it properly setup and adjusted it played beautifully. I got the my tuning set to EADGC instead so I had the nut changed. The preamp is a beast and I do hope that now that they're in 2nd gen that they have better quality assurance.
I also purchased a musician stingray 5 H (BEADG tuning) for a different tone and sound but both of these basses I use for different purposes.
I still recommend Sire, but definitely take them to a shop to get looked at in case some additional work can be done. After getting mine setup and adjusted it played like an entirely different instrument. Also I really wish they would change the branding on the headstock. In my opinion the logo is just ugly but that's more of an aesthetic touch.
How do u compare the sound quality of m2 with V7...fingerstyle & slap...?
Totally two different instruments.
Are there good quality P basses for the same price point as Sire?
the only two i can think of that is somewhat comparable and more budget friendly is the Luna tattoo... for 200 and the ibanez talman bass for 179 (249 for the 5 string). The luna is passive and the talman is an active pj bass. Other than that i dont think so...
Thank you, I'll look into that. I hope someday somebody as awesome as Marcus Miller will get into budget high quality P bass business.
Try Squier. They're the affordable version of Fender. U could get a PJ configuration and just use the P pick up.
Try a used Japanese Fender. Excellent build quality and hardware.
"And then have options, to match my clothes." 😒 i lol'd.
It's all jokes... kinda... a little bit
lol the best humor comes with at least a little truth. if your bass sounds good and you can still afford a matching suit all the power to you. Got a 5 Str P7 on the way.. hopefully it's a keeper.
Bought a 2021 MIM and it was a huge disappointment; sent it back and got a Sire for 1/2 the money and it exceeded everything
Have you played with 2nd gen Sire?
I'd go Fender custom shop if money wasn't a issue. But yeah in the 500 to 1000 range, it's Sire all day.
As an owner of several Fenders, I have to admit that Sire offers real value, great sounds and excellent build quality. Their head stock design is just awkward looking. As far as aesthetics go, Fenders just look better.
FINALLY
lol sorry i left... life happens
Sire V7 or Squier Classic Vibe?
V7
@@BullyThaKidd I don't play 5-string but I should have one just in case. I am thinking of V7 Vintage Ash because of 70s pickup spacing.
Waiting on your V10 review...
Hell I don't have 1500 dollars to get one lol
@@BullyThaKidd hahahah felt.
To all Fender Lovers. Ones bought USA made Jazz (£1500 - new) and.... the bass had varnish on frets(!) PLUS green polishing paste under varnish(!!!) - all my Chinese made Classic Vibe Squiers are made 5 times better especially fretwork. My new Sire is on way to me and from many movies here I see that will be well spend money...
Ones again it comes to player not to logo... is not?
Well done... Fender
Fender is a name from the past. So is Musicman. It's just about money only for those companies now.
This video aged well ;P
Actually, Marcus does play his Sire in concert!!! I saw him on the 2019 Smooth Jazz Cruise, and he played a Sire MM V7 4 and a V7 5 fretless. His Fender was nowhere to be seen! Marcus is a Sire player. Believe it!
... he still had his fender on stage... either way. Sire is a great company
@@BullyThaKidd Not at the concert I attended.
Did he play the whole show with it?
@@situacionando Yes he did. For whatever reasons, people aren't convinced that Marcus actually plays Sire basses in Concert. He really does!
@@KeithCopeland778 actually, Marcus rotate his bass well. From what I can tell, he'll play the Fender on bigger stage. But, he still play his Sire too
Exactly. You pay for that badge.
Fender has become the Nike of basses now. The Glarry bass on eBay holds up to Squier but sells for $60! Sire is nice but they've started to really increase their prices too.
Interesting u say that name... to be continued...
BLU PHI!!
Sire are punching way above their weight.
Fender does not make a 5 string P - J bass.
I’d recently spoke with someone that I consider a “real” bass player, and I’d mentioned that I was considering buying a Fender 5 string. He recommended that I go with Sire. Your review here makes sense, so I plan to go with Sire. Thanks for posting.