Halloween Special: Frankenstein
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- Опубліковано 30 жов 2017
- It is a tale. A tale of a man… and a MONSTER!
It's finally time to talk Frankenstein! Part sci fi, part horror, part opinion piece on the dangers of hubris, this classic story reminds us all to appreciate what's really important to us: friends, family, loved ones, and most importantly, NOT creating twisted mockeries of God's creations in an attempt to reach beyond the veil of life itself.
Nnnnnnnow here is a riddle to guess if you can,
sings the tale of Frankenstein!
Who is the monster and who is the man?~
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“Abandoning your science child to the elements because you didn’t get his eye color right”
B-but red
_it was a color unlike any seen before_
Yes! 🤣
I literally just watched that video before this one XD
@@kamille286 Same! Perfect reference!
🤣🤣
Lmao lovecraft that you?
"-because he was basically a GIANT NEWBORN BABY, VICTOR."
EXACTLY, VICTOR.
The creature's Literal first actions were to *smile and reach out to him.*
LIKE AN *INFANT* DOES... VICTOR.
Fu*king Victor smh
Wanda Nemer Why did you feel the need to point this out... ouch 😭
@@jamiel6005 Sorry... but if I must suffer, YALL suffer with me!
WHAT THE HELL VICTOR?
Fun Fact: the Creature of Frankenstein is a giant because Victor said working with skinny little veins was too tiresome so he got bigger body parts to make it easier. This of course made his creation much more terrifying as it was a giant.
I mean, tall people are already kinda scary, so now imagine this hulking 7'11" man with a raven dark mane, pearly white teeth, almost no body fat (so his olive/parchment colored skin looks tight around his muscles) and with really creepy eyes, and tell me that you wouldn't freak out if you saw him at night
I know several people who work in the medical field, and have had to have my blood drawn fairly frequently. I've been told that large, firm veins are the easiest to work with. I have these veins.
@@metarcee2483I will use your veins for my own version of Frankenstein's experiment.
@@melvinfranco2142 that's the most disturbing sentence I've ever heard in my life.
@@metarcee2483 Thank you.
I heard a theory that I like, that Victor was designed to mock all the self-centered academics that plagued Mary Shelley while she was in college.
That is awesome
He's a direct parody of Lord Byron who has multiple books written with him in mind. I don't quite remember the names of the other ones but one was just basically an expose with the names changed. One guy single handedly created the gothic protagonist.
I completely believe that theory. Lord Byron had a pet bear when he was a student at Cambridge, and he never even had the title of Lord, he just called himself that.
@@metarcee2483 He was born a noble, that's why he's called Lord. Nobles are called Lords. It became more prevalent when he inherited from another Lord Byron and people just kept calling him Lord so it stuck.
As good as that hypothesis feels, I do have one question: are we talking about the same Frankenstein? The one written by Mary Shelly (born 1797, died 1851)? Women didn't go to university then. Heck, less than 40% of women could _read_ when Mary was born.
It's a nice, feel-good hypothesis, but it has no basis in reality. The first women's colleges wouldn't even open until 10 years after Shelly died(!)
I forgot that the entirety of Frankenstein is literally just a long letter written by a man with amazing memory of a story told by a man with amazing memory that involves his sorta-son who ALSO has amazing memory.
You should check the Name of the Wind book.
And Dracula is a series of letters by people with perfect grammar and spelling also with good memory.
Runs in the “family”.
@@merrittanimation7721 Well letters, diary entries & news clippings. That's always been an issue with me with epistolary novels; like do you really expect us that someone can write diary entries detailed THIS well? I can barely remember what I had for breakfast the day before.
@@helios24601 No, nobody does . Epistolary novels demand some suspension of disbelief, in the framming in the same vein that Modern Family its a "documentary", its just a framing secuence, that granted made more sense in the 19th century, but still. And i am sorry but since its a novel in wich a man with 19th century understanding of biology and technology brings forth a somewhat human creature to life from a quilt of corpses, questioning the realism of the extent of the character's memory, seems like a bad faith nitpick, do you do the same thing with a regular (less creative) 1st person narrator who's suppose to be a mere human talking directly to you very clearly remembering things from years ago? .
Victor Jr: "I will murder the person you love most in this world!"
Victor Frankenstien: "No! I beg of you! Please don't kill me!
Ha! Also I love that you call him Victor Jr., that's what I'm going to call him now.
@@JaneDoeSignedHancock I call him that because it speaks a truth that Victor ignored:
He had a son.
@@Lunacorva everyone in my life is tired of my "Victor is a piece of shit" rants. Am I the only one who thinks him and Elizabeth is super creepy? Like, dude that's your sister.
@@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967 I know, and I understand, but it still grosses me out. What's messed up is that his parents adopted her planning to marry her off to Victor.
@@JaneDoeSignedHancock Yeah, that actually probably wasn't normal back then... But at least it's not technically incest if she's adopted?
Wow, Walton really mailed his sister a 280 page novel.
Margaret is at the end of the world’s longest and weirdest gossip chain.
@@RonnieFlare17 Margaret: Let's see if Mary Shelley (an old friend of mine) would like to write this? It's a splendid idea of a read.
Hands down favorite part of the book is imagining Margaret back in England just processing all the shit this random letter from her brother just threw at her.
The real mystery in this story is why he has so much paper. What was he planning to do with it? Does he write these long letters to her often?
It's OK I'm sure she loved it. Literally me and my sis sending each other novels of our shit day at work via text. 😅😅🙂🙂
Fun fact: Frankenstein is a last name, so calling the monster Frankenstein isn't actually wrong because it would be it's last name too.
It definitely should have been! >:'(
Also "the Monster" has a proper name. Adam. He says so. He chose the name Adam because "I ought to have been thy Adam." So he's Adam Frankanstine.
@@MeepChangeling Fs in chat for Adam
that wasnt him naming himself, it was him making an allusion to the biblical creation myth with himself as adam and victor as god
Henceforth, I'll call him Frankenstein Jr.
Long story short: Victor is ashamed of his first OC.
Aren't we all? ;)
Though only the talented few can physically manifest their first OC
AsterOrca He was practically ashamed of ALL his OC's, he killed his second one for thinking she may be a Mary Sue in the future, making the first OC want to kill him.
Seriously though, I feel like making a weird fanfic from this story, except it's not a scientist and it ain't Victo-Goth and Sci-Fi. Instead, it's a modern character designer who wants to be famous!
We've all been there
I was ashamed of mine, I know feel bad
Mary Shelley really flexed on all of us by writing a classic when she was EIGHTEEN.
Inspired by a nightmare she had, no less. Plus, it was in the early 19th century.
You could take it as the inverse though. The greatest work of Mary Shelley was completed when she was only 18 so she never managed to reach that peak again. Personally, I'd rather only construct my magnum opus when I'm old.
you can also take it as an example that you're never too young to write a masterpiece (or make one by other means) and never to underestimate yourself because sometimes all you need is to show it to someone
Maybe the most important take away is that age, old, young, or anywhere between, is not an indicator of competence and capability.
Apparently the Metro 2033 novel was made when Dmitri Glukhovsky was 18.
"you can just not put her reproductive organs in" this is LITERALLY what my entire class said when we were talking about Frankenstein during my senior year in high school, everybody clowned on Victor for that
This still leaves the possibility that the monster and his bride wouldn't get along. This is still equally terrible.
@@koolmckool7039 So what? Just keep making them until you have one that works. The other huge prefect women can go to Brazil and be Amazons :D
@@MeepChangeling By George man, do you want a bunch of Incredible Hulkesses walking around?
@greatest greg Oh my.
@greatest greg The fun kind.
I love the detail that Victor slowly is getting more gray hair, more so with the major stressors in his life than the passage of time.
Yes
I don't know where I heard that when Victor met Walton his hair was all gray, but XD, I don't think it's true
Same thing happened to me. Well, not the same, but i do look old af in some areas. Stress is a bitch.
Good point. He doesn't *live* long enough to get gray hair by aging.
"But as he progresses, he realized something that few authors seem to have internalized: that just dropping a girlfriend in front of a guy won't actually guarantee that they'll get along."
I'M QUAKING AT THE ACCURACY OF THIS
"But they're opposite genders. They have to...do the...you know!" _That's not how it works._
Proof that the story was written by a woman who had seen marriages not work out.
How you know this story was written by a woman:
@@TheMegannZ the author's name is Mary Shelley.
FINALLY, AN AUTHOR THAT UNDERSTANDS!
It wasn't just the eyes.
If I remember the book correctly, the monster's supposed to look like a gaunt, jaundiced corpse. But one that has what should be beautiful features, like his proportions, his flowing black hair, and his pearly white teeth.
Basically, Victor was upset that his beautiful man, that he made out of literal dead people, ended up looking like he was made out of dead people. He probably should've thought that one through.
Seriously tho.
That's what you get when you don't refrigerate or preserve your corpses during the year it takes to build your Beautiful Undead Man.
What was he expecting? he literally stitched a bunch of dead rotting body parts together and brought it to life
@@Creator_indy I know, right? What the fuck, Victor?
So what I wanna look like
Victor: eeehhhhh, from aFar you look pretty Hot but up close you look like a dead guy. fuuuuuuu'
Intelligence is knowing Frankenstein is the doctor.
Wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is also the monster.
Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the doctor either
No, true wisdom is that they are both monsters.
While the monster's existence is tragic, it is not a justification for all that he has done.
Also, despite the fact that the Monster hate's it's own painful existence, it wishes to create another one of it's kind. Even though that perfect monster wife would live a life just as messed up, painful, and lonely as his own.
The Creature is not the monster. Frankenstein is.
@@templarw20 killing people is bad impo
@@templarw20 The monster is certainly the monster. He's the one who actively chooses to murder several people just to exact his petty revenge. Victor doesn't actually kill anybody and blaming him for the people the monster kills is as absurd as blaming a killer's parents for birthing the killer.
What gets me about Justine's death is that her trial apparently takes at least a week. And Victor just sits on his hands the whole time angsting about how much the entire situation sucks for him instead of... You know. Coming up with a better alibi than "science experiment gone wrong".
You do realise that even if he confesed he had no proof the monster killed William, right?
The whole thing is stupid because we are supposed to believe the giant monster was able to wonder around Geneva completely unnoticed, stumble upon a rich kid, kill him without anyone seeing anything, somehow sneaking into the Frankensteins' house and planting the necklace in Justine's pocket and run all the way back to Ingolstadt to dramatically pose during the storm tu hunt Victor.
I love the book, but a lot of things fall appart at the least bit of scrutiny.
@@warrenhillston5899 What annoys me most is that is should be obvious Justine didn't kill William, compare the size of the hand print bruises on Williams neck should be enough to confirm she wouldn't be able to do it.
@@warrenhillston5899Justine wasn’t in the house, she was in a barn
"He died as he lived; casually inconveniencing anyone and everyone and making my life worse." said by Frankenstein's Monster might be the most hilariously accurate description of Victor Frankenstein ever.
Takes one to know one I guess
ClayXros Like father like son?
Agreed.
Headcannon time! What if the only reason Victor abandoned him was because he knew it would spend the rest of his life roasting him all the time?
Frankenstein WAS the monster all along
Frankenstein's monster to Victor:
"WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE *CONSEQUENCES!!* AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!"
Have you seen that video of Frankenstein vines? Cuz that exact joke is in there too
Yap
For some reason I read that in Arnold Schwarzeneggers voice
Eyyyyy, I seen that too!!
Victor: this is fine.
Now I want a version where Victor is an dumb doting parent. "This is my handsome boy."
Edit: Look, Ma, I'm famous
So, basically the plot of The Powerpuff Girls?
Well it's not about victor himself but I think young Frankenstein counts
Then it becomes the same story except little Frankie talks like the goth kids from South Park.
if clerval doesnt get in on the action i don't want it
@@ghostiieeseason Clerval is obviously the fun uncle
Victor describing how he created life from corpses:...
Victor describing how Safie, the woman he never met, came to know the Delacy's, a damily he never met: OKAY SO HER DAD--
TBF, it makes sense that he glosses over how he created life because he wanted the secret to die with him
Victor explicitly states in the book that he refuses to divulge the secret, lest someone else go down the path he did
@@otissupreme7918 I always thought that was clever: Mary Shelley wasn't interested in solving the problem of making up a plausible science-fiction explanation of how to create life from un-life, and her narrator (well, one of them) has a perfectly reasonable motivation for not telling us.
You left out my personal fav/least favorite part of Elizabeth’s murder: how incredibly easy Victor makes it for the monster. After Victor and Elizabeth get married, they spend the night in a hotel. Victor still thinks the monster wants to kill him, so he says to Elizabeth “you go back to the room, I’m gonna stay in the lobby and wait”, which basically just puts Elizabeth by herself in a closed room, ready to be murdered. Way to go, Victor
WOW, how did this supposed genius manage to unlock the secret of granting life when he's THAT much of an idiot? XD
Aegix Drakan top ten questions science still can’t answer
@@AegixDrakan
Knowing anatomy and having common sense are two very different things.
Victor is intelligent, but acts pretty stupidly. Why?
He doesn't really have the background to properly comprehend sneaky plans.
@@AegixDrakan Because while he may have high Intelligence, he made Wisdom his dump stat.
@@legomaniac213 There it is!
Victor, raiding a bunch of graveyards: “I’ll make a man out of youuuu.”
OOoohhh that's good.
You must be swift as the coursing river..with all the force of a great typhoon..strength of a raging fire..mysterious as the dark side of the moon.
Accurately describes the Creature's disappearing act for most of the book.
😂😂😂
Victor, when he turns on the life-anator :
BE A MAAAAAANN
(doodoodoodoodoo doo)
Im gonna be real with you, Clerval's death was the most heartbreaking event in the whole book. That shit almost broke me
I remember being devastated at Elizabeth's death when I first read the novel as a teenager. It was one of my first experiences with the Woobie trope.
i cried three times this week and two were over clerval’s death
Sure, Clerval had a sunshine personality and really loved nature, but he also wanted to help the English colonize India and convert them to Christianity. I realize to Shelley, this was probably a worthy ideal, much the same way as St. John's actions are portrayed in Jane Eyre, but that doesn't mean Clerval was actually a good person.
@@Minnie_Stronni NUH UH
@@Minnie_Stronni Actually, in the 1818 edition on the book it isn't mentioned to be specifically for supporting the colonial ambitions. That was edited in the 1831 edition perhaps because Mary Shelley faced scrutiny for not supporting colonialism at the time.
It’s hard to understand without reading the book exactly how much time Victor spends random fainting or getting sick whenever things are getting interesting
Man too much
he’s described as “feverish” for so much of the book it’s surprising he doesn’t have brain damage
It’s a mood and it’s hilariously tragic
tbh hes just the genevan raskolnikov
Name a better duo than the Victorian era and wilting protagonists who listlessly faint onto a nearby mound of pillows
Fun fact: The reason all modern interpretations of Frankenstein's monster are green, is because during the era of black and white movies, if you wanted an actor to look very pale, like corpse pale, you would paint them mint green, because mint green translates white in black and white film. All artistic depictions of Frankenstein's monster before colored film was invented had much more human skin tones, until colored behind the scenes photos of Boris Karloff painted green were released, and people thought that the monster was meant to be green, and that image stuck ever since.
You're welcome for that wacky anecdote to share at Halloween parties.
Look at that! How interesting!
Thanks for the info! 💜
Similar to how Godzilla wasn't meant to be green at first, he was grey. It wasn't until some of the posters for the films started coloring him green that he started being thought of as that color, a change that stuck once the series left the black and white film world and started coming out in color.
@@VegetaLF7 Godzilla was supposed to be black in the original, his skin was supposed to look burnt, and he has never been green in the colour films (except for the first American catoon).
The living room of the Adams Family also was painted a particular shade of Salmon to get that odd pale color and lighting.
ah, that explains why all the walls on sitcoms that transitioned from black and white to color were painted the same odd shade of green...
Doctor Frankenstein entered a bodybuilding contest and realizes that he misunderstood the objective.
He never got a doctorate. There is no doctor. Only MISTER Frankenstein and his son.
@@pineapplefrostyfruits9225 i feel like "fucking discovering the secret to human life" would get you at least an honorary doctorate
@@guyinbluu given how he handled the situation, I would disagree
@@bloodstoneore4630 note the degree would be in biology and not parenting
@@guyinbluu fair enough, you can get a lisence taken away for shitty handling of a situation, not a degree... or an honorary one
I find Frankensteins monster to be one of the most tragic and depressing characters in fiction.
He was born only to be abandoned by his creator, his ugly appearance giving him no chance to get sympathy. From the beginning of his life he was treated like a monster and had to figure out the most basic of survival skills. The worst part is he got to observe what a loving family looked like and learned how to feel sympathy and compassion, only to have no one every give it to him in return despite his attempts to make a connection or act in kindness. He has no identity other than him being a monster that no one likes and is truely alone in the world. Not only does the creature KNOW what he is missing, but he KNOWS he will always be alone, all while fully emotionally aware of his inner torment. He makes the awful decision and kills his creators family purely for revenge and realizes at the end he has truely brought nothing but suffering upon the earth he found beautiful, thus fulfilling his status as a monster, and giving him no chance for retribution.
Parts of his self loathing monologues have actually been relatable to me when I had depressive episodes, so it really hits hard.
Also imagine if growing up you only ever read three books throughout your whole childhood and one of them was _The Sorrows of Young Werther_
@@GSBarlev Ah, yes, the book that was so popular with young English lovesick men who had no chance at winning their love hearts, so they killed themselves in the same way as the protagonist and left the book on the nightstand so often that a law was passed to ban the book. No wonder the monster was so overtly dramatic.
See, I don’t see it as revenge- it’s war. It’s for survival i. From the eyes of a being that’s been brutalised and he starts fighting back.
This was the first book I had to read for school that I liked. I remember my teacher talking about the idea of Frankenstein's monster going "mngrahh, mnngrraahhh!" in the movies and referencing that in the book it was infant baby noises coming out of the throat of a newly created grown man, essentially looking at his creator and going "dada," looking for comfort and affection. And then... the rest of the story happens.
I could see that working in a new film adaptation.
Moral I was expecting: don’t play god, science can go too far sometimes, etc.
Moral I got: If you go and make a science son you BETTER love him and take care of him
victor is a huge dick for abandoning his monster. i feel more bad for the monster then victor.
@@megamike15 yeah. It also seems unreasonable that he did, because he was beautiful, even though he had a lot of scars, he shouldn't have frightened Victor as much as he did. If anything he should have been proud his son was that handsome, but instead he freaked out because his eyes glowed yellow.
Or maybe “Don’t Be Victor Frankenstein”?
@@diegobrando3409 to be fair in the book it said the monsters face contorted in strange ways, so i think its fair to assume that he looked best when he wasnt moving, and when he moved he was super uncanny valley
that said if victor was real, i would beat him up for being a dick to his beautifully hideous son
@@sourpetals1823 in an AU where Victor kept the creature:
Creature: Dad ma- jawbone- dro'ed out again!
Victor: Why did I made you again?
Clerval: VICTOR!!!
Imagine a version of this story where Clerval shows up as soon as the monster opens his eyes and insists to Victor that they raise him, basically becoming the Good Dad to Victor's Deadbeat Dad
To think Clerval was LESS THAN A DAY LATE to the Creation is insane!!
He was literally just hours away!!
The story would have been SO diferent!
OMG
i´m gonna make a comic about this idea, it´s great!
*khm* do you permit?
@@molotovmafia2406 when'll it be out
@@QQ-dw9pl idk, i´m starting it tomorrow... maybe a week or 2 but i don´t promise anything
Irina K. Can’t wait to see it!
How to describe book's Victor Frankenstein?:
40% scientific intelligence
1% Other types of intelligence
9% Impulsiveness
50% Anxiety
... sounds like your typical Autistic scientist to me....
i'm frightened and confused at the fact that you've basically described me. should i be worried? if yes, should i avoid going to college so i don't repeat his mistakes
@@possums154 You can go to college if you want, just don’t get involved with reanimation or equivalent fields
There's a reason why people draw comparisons between Victor and, say, Robert Oppenheimer.
High INT low WIS character
9:56 "You made me alone. Make it _right."_
Okay, seriously, that's a great line right there.
Mary Shelley wrote an iconic science fiction book at 18, I'm just here looking at internet memes.
Mary Shelley lost her virginity on her mother's grave. You will never be as goth as Mary Shelley.
Okay
wrote THE iconic science fiction, first novel that the plot is derived from science
and charles darwin (yeah, THAT guy, you know, the natural selection one) not only read the book, he commented how it would be possible to be factual in the future, how creating artificial human life
just to hammer it in, SCIENCE FICTION WAS PIONEERED BY A WOMAN
Joshua Evans-Lowell really?
there was more unexplored stuff back then. But we're just in time for dank memes at least!
Original Frankenstein's monster: I am an intelligent creature! Victor is the real monster for creating me and not owning up to the responsibility of making a living creature!
Modern Frankenstein's monster: Oog
At least the Penny Dreadfull version is faithfull to both Book Creature (articulate and wounded with long black hair) and Book Victor (dangerously sleep deprived and staved narsissist).
So that's good I guess.
OOG
@@reesehendricksen4838 Did you, though?
@@reesehendricksen4838 I believe that if we absolve victor of his faults and mistakes (which are far more than "one failure as a dad") we kinda lose the poignant message of the book. After all, victor was very much a flawed man who tried to play god. And while "don't play god" is a very stupid and childish statement to make when trying to sound deep, "make sure you take utmost care when handling unexplored fields in your science" is a very good subject to take on. Especially because the book makes it a point to show it brought misery to Victor while the costs the others suffered were glossed over.
@@reesehendricksen4838 To be fair, Frankenstein -I feel-is very much a story without a villain. No character is vile just for the shit of it, the monster is NOT a good person but in all fairness he was taught much worse by the world around him (I feel he was a very stalwart true neutral, in pillock terms) while the good doctor was a self-centered man whose only crime was making human mistakes in the worst possible moments (he was chaotic neutral). Neither of them is wrong or right and they both suffer directly both from their faults and the other's.
I found Frankensteins' monster yelling "Woob woob woob" after killing Elizabeth far funnier than I should have.
I seriously love how his hair gets progressively more white as the story goes on
Yes
It’s to reflect how Victor is becoming more insane as time goes by
@@kingaxolotl4085also it shows how stressed he is as well
I love how the grey streak in Victor's hair gets larger and larger as the story progresses.
me too
Kinda how it represents how he goes madder and madder
@@raspberrycrowns9494
He doesn't go mad, he's just trying to avoid responsibility.
@@ndJssFlurt
Probably
My second guess is Marie Antoinette syndrome
@@raspberrycrowns9494
What's Marie Antoinette syndrome?
It sounds interesting!!!
As I read it, the monster was TOO beautiful, in that his features were mismatched and unsettling. For example, it touches on his overly perfect teeth, and I kinda get the image of the stereotypical shady salesman who has the way-too-bright and wide set smile.
Plus, y'know, the monster is definitely described as having yellow corpse skin that's almost too tight to fit his 8-foot muscle-bound body, so I have to think it wasn't just his eyes that wigged people out.
By our standards, the creature would probably fit into the uncanny valley.
Hm..
So, the monster looks like the emperor from War Hammer 40K?
@@BLS31 heresy
@@BLS31 or your average slaaneshi worshiper
@@BLS31 that’s him inquisitor! That’s the bad man!
It is interesting to note that while Victor has not accepted responsibility for all the horrible things that have happened, he recognizes the self-destructive behavior that led to it in Captain Walton, and he tries to dissuade him from his path.
I noticed he seems to accept a lot more responsibility at the beginning of the book, but then it steadily decreases as the tale goes on. When William and Justine die, he calls himself their murderer and it’s about 40% self-loathing. But by the time it gets to Clerval he still thinks it’s his fault, but spends far more time blaming the monster. Then when Elizabeth dies he blames the monster almost completely and pretty much glosses over his own guilt.
It’s kinda odd given that this is all a story he’s recounting to Walton. Shouldn’t he be accepting more responsibility as it goes on, and he slowly comes down from his revenge fueled hysteria, rather than the other way around?
@@hunterlawrence3573 I think that is the point though. As the story goes on and after he meets the monster he realizes it isn't a mindless thing lashing out because he abandoned it, it is an intelligent being purposefully killing his loved ones to hurt him.
A mindless creature he created and didn't stop is his fault.
A cold, cunning murderer is out of his hands.
@@pandemonium8420 Yes, but he isn’t narrating the story to us as it happens. He’s telling the entire thing to Walton after the fact. So, when he’s telling Walton about his brother’s or Justine’s murder, he already knows that the monster purposely killed Clerval and Elizabeth to hurt him. He just hasn’t reached that point in his narration yet.
Reading this book as a teen, I definitely sympathized with the creature, as most do (he is written sympathetically!). But a recent re-read really highlighted how similar the two are. I feel most people would have an "Oh, come on man" reaction to Victor's ego when he complains that his guilt was actually worse than Justine's innocent execution. I don't see as many readers talking about how the monster's "actually killing all those people made *me* feel bad, so checkmate" speech is the exact same thing.
Another fun fact: The books that Victor was studying to develop his theories to give life to his monster were alchemical texts. So technically, Frankenstein's Monster is a homunculus.
So, Victor attempted human transmutation successfully?
@@criticalfailure6464 Well, it DID wind up costing him everything. Just not directly...
I suppose it did.
@@criticalfailure6464 Well, even in FMA *someone* must have succeeded in creating the first homunculus. My theory is that the one who did it died in the process and his partner claimed the achievement. Tch, typical...
That has got to be the coolest literary technicality I have ever heard
I just want everyone to realize, Frankenstein's beutiful face (the monster's) is some dead guys beutiful face, that Victor dug up out out of a graveyard.
Well... that dead beautiful guy wasn't going to use his face anymore.
@@wandanemer2630 underrated comment 💀
Yay and
@@wandanemer2630 Reminds me of the story behind Resusci Anne's face...
@@bobemmerson1580 What's that ?
While I do enjoy Red's observatory nature and funny musing, there's something at the end she doesn't really acknowledge. At the end of the book, Victor urges the captain to be a better man than he was. When the monster appears, the most impactful thing is that the monster realizes that in doing all the horrible things it did, it realized that all it did was leave itself alone, and now it is even more miserable than Victor ever was. It kills itself by exposing itself to the blizzard outside so that not only does no one in the future know of its existence, but also in doing so to prevent anything like it from being made ever again. I'm not sure why, but for some reason Red seemed to breeze past this.
“-biggest mistake of his life but with boobs this time.”
Best quote I’ve heard all year
This could have become a sitcom if he didnt abandon his monster
I know you were probably thinking buddy sitcom with Victor and the Monster, but all I could picture the premise being was Victor frantically trying to hide the Monster from his perky boyfriend Clerval.
Some one should make that
@@CJCroen1393 so like how to train your dragon number one??
New in Town
Frankenstein's Monster's New in Town
@@ninjabluefyre3815 I was literally just watching John Mulaney. Are you stalking me? Lol
"crimes against nature two, electric boogaloo!"
I cannot. That is too funny.
I liked the quote immediately after: “Victor sets out to recreate the biggest mistake of his life, but with boobs this time.”
the sister having to read like three full life stories from a letter she expected to just be a couple pages about her brother is the funniest thing ever, girl is going to get her mail and finds three encyclopedias worth of someone else’s business
Victor: "I want to learn how to create life!"
Victor's parents: "Well, you see, when you love someone very much-"
Victor: "NO THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT"
But that's what his parents wanted him to do. XD
Victor: I wanna make life like a lizard by myself
Viktor's parents never gave him the talk.
@@josukejostar277 There's a feminist reading of the book where Victor's fault was that he tried to create life by completely bypassing woman. Victor even says, 'No father could claim the gratitude of his children so completely as I should deserve theirs,' and one of his main fears in making his lady-monster is that she would mother a race of creatures who would replace humanity. In general, Frankenstein is a bit of a misogynist.
@@ZephLodwick It also furthers the allusions to Greek mythology because that's basically the entire motive behind the story of Athena's birth.
Misogynists have always had a lot of angst over women being part of the child making process.
"No one can write a story about an unnatural, murderous monster and paint them in a sympathetic light successfully."
Mary Shelley: "Hold my tea."
Yes but more like "hold my laudanum"
And thus proves them wrong.
Not so fun fact, Mary Godwin(her name before Shelley) wrote Frankenstein based on her mother( Mary wollstonecraft)'s letters to wollstonecraft's 1st husband Imlay after he abandoned her and Mary Shelley's older sister Fanny, ah and the lightning thing comes from the fact that shelly's deranged husband was obsessed by Benjamin Franklin's electricity and how it affected life, even though shelly thought it could do more than it actually could.
@@leos.2322 Didn't know that. Ty for the trivia
@@Azzabackam willkommen
Victor, you chose your corpse son’s parts yourself, including his eyes. That’s like assembling your own sandwich at a restaurant and flipping out when you taste the ham that YOU PUT ON IT
So, the entire plot happens because Victor wants to create life but when he does, he suddenly figures that he is not willing to actually nurture and raise this life as a responsible dad.
Almost makes me want to see a version where Victor tries to be a good dad to his monster.
I need an AU where Victor just goes. “Oh. Well. Okay. Hey all, this is my terrifying son! I made him with science!”
And then Victor and Clerval raise him together.
@@confoundedcoconut7500 I can live with this AU
That already exists. Its called "Young Frankenstein."
Somebody write that!
We need this!!
I absolutely love that and would love to see an AU story made (kinda like Young Frankenstein, except very early on, the creation gets his own PhD/education and goes on to help progress more of the Enlightenment Era)!
"Only a fool makes a monster you can't fu-"
Best line ever.
HE SAID IT!
Can you give the timestamp? I can't see it
@@elirchi9214
11:00
HAHAHAHAHAH I NEVER NOTICED THAT GOOD GOD
*true*
One of the creepiest things about this is how despite being terrible, I completely understand Victor’s thought process through a lot of this. Like, it’s terrible to stay quiet while an innocent person gets executed for your crime, but be honest with yourself. Would you have the strength to come clean? I don’t know if I could.
Uh, hell yeah I would. That says more about you as an absolute terrible person that it does about anyone else.
Weirdly, in the book he says that he wanted to confess to the crime, but he couldn’t because he was in another country when the murder happened. He says telling the truth would’ve made him look insane, which certainly wouldn’t have helped Justine. While that’s all true, couldn’t he have come up with a better lie? Or at the very least confided in one of his friends and asked them for an idea?
@bessie right...but there's no way for you to know what you'd actually do in such a situation.
dare i say...get off your high horse
@@bessieburnet9816 no way for you to know that
@@StarJester ong
I have to correct you on something. William Frankenstein wasn’t being a judgmental jerk to the monster. He was calling him a monster because the monster wanted to kidnap him so he could have a friend. He only mentioned his family name as a warning to scare Frankenstein’s monster.
Yep majority of people love skipping that part
Thank you.
Not to be Devil's Advocate but there has always been something strangely tragic to me about the character of Victor Frankenstein. Don't know why, but something about "teenager sees his mom die and decides to cure death only for his personality flaws to essentially help wipe out the entirety of his family" is just really really sad.
(I know this is an old comment but) THANK YOU
Yeah, not much perkiness in this story.
Yeah his story is tragic but it’s not a tragedy since he doesn’t fill a character trait required of the tragic hero. That trait is having admirable qualities so the audience feels bad that someone good with good qualities lost it all due to their bad ones. And as said by everyone, Victor is kind of a irredeemable dickhead.
Got that Grecian tragedy twist for sure.
Now I'm imagining one of the Elric brothers growing up without the other and ending up unbalanced like Victor.
Moral of the story:
🎶Victor is a dick.🎶
🎶Don't be a dick.🎶
The moral: Victor is a dick and plays god. DON'T PLAY GOD, kids.
If Victor wasnt a dick nothing bad would have happend
Eh. Life's only known purpose is to perpetuate itself; to create new life. And if studying nature has fought me anything it's that life isn't particularly picky about how life is perpetuated.
If Victor had had a Son, thought him or her a failure, and abandoned him/her, this story may have played out exactly the same Albeit on a longer timescale. So while the original story might be intended as a warning against playing god, "death of the author" and the ever forward progress of technology has shortened the moral to something many more people actually need to learn: "Don't be a deadbeat parent or it will lead to tragedy."
I’m offended
knowledge it's knowing that frankenstain is not the monster,
wisdom its knowing that he actually is the real monster
Victor, playing God: I HAVE CREATED MAN!
Frankenstein: Father?
Victor: *Goes into month long coma*
He's one fo those dads that went to get milk and never came back
“Do you think God stays in heaven, because he too fears what he created?” Victor Frankenstein, probably.
I thought the reason Victor didn't say anything about the monster to anyone was because everybody would perceive him as delusional, not because of some undisclosed ego.
And well, he was correct. Every time he aludes to or outright states he created a monster, they perceive him as insane.
The only time anybody believes him is when they themselves have seen the monster to some capacity.
Gotta say, this is the only instance I've seen of such trope working. Usually, when a character wants to warn others about some bizarre being and get dismissed as delusional it's frustratingly annoying, *especially* if the story is heavy in fantasy, making it confusing as to why the characters that were subject to various bizzare encounters would suddendly dismiss the warnings of one of their party members as crazy talk. Story of Frankenstein is fairly grounded in reality, so such idea actually comes across as kind of terrifying.
The cop or whatever he was at the end believe Victor even to the point where he said the monster was basically unstoppable if victor is describing him as such and sending his own men to capture him would be worthless because the monster could survive in the cold where humans could not. And Walton believed him without a second doubt
Thank-you! I’m glad someone finally brought this up. That doesn’t excuse Victor for staying silent when he should’ve spoken up about various things. But it does make his reasons for hiding everything make much more sense
Everybody with me: "Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the monster; wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is the monster."
This gem of a quote ^
@@bugra6798 I actually think it's a bad quote. Victor Frankenstein is a shitty dude all around, but Frankenstein's Monster murdered no fewer than three people and framed a fourth for one of those deaths, leading to her death. The monster is not the dumb brute so often depicted, the monster is incredibly brilliant. He doesn't get off the hook because he has daddy issues, mofo is still a seriel killer with a vendetta.
That's some neat comment dude
@@jaferalyhooda310 I see your point, but consider this: the Creation knew nothing but scorn, abuse, and loneliness from creation to death. He was kind and compassionate for longer than most humans would be: paying back the Delacy family with chopped wood and manual labour for the food, for example. He craves human connection. He was unfortunately shaped by circumstances. Victor Frankenstein was a narcissistic, self-centered dude who pittied only himself even in situations that had absolutely nothing to do with him/affected others way more, like when Justine died and all he could focus on was how bad *he* felt, ignoring the feelings of those around him, like Elizabeth. He can't even fathom the monster killing anyone but him leading up to his wedding. Look at their final moments: Victor is almost raving, probably not thinking clearly, but he tries to get the Captain to make the same mistake as him, going too far in the name of science, despite telling the story to prevent that in the first place. He renounces all claim of guilt and responsibility for his actions, saying "I am blameless". The Creature on the other hand regrets the choices he'd made. He doesn't make excuses (I think, my memory is a touch fuzzy). He accepts blame for things that were his fault, and says he will kill himself in a way that destroys his body to ensure that no-one makes the same mistake as Victor by stumbling across his remains. Also, I would argue that Victor is very much to blame for the actions of his creation. For one thing, it's *his* creation. He didn't take responsibility, he didn't allert the police right away, or try to actually do anything with the creature once it rose, he abandoned it. Parents are held partially responsible for their children's actions, and that concept applies even moreso when it comes to such an irresponsible parent as Victor.
Cool motive. Still murder.
"How can I create life?" You know, for all his science that he studied, maybe he should've taken a sex ed class...
Krysten Cabbage My thoughts exactly. Well, or it was uterus envy :)
Ew, that's an old-fashioned crap-shoot...it's SOo 1750!
Him and Frollo from hunchback of Notre Dame.
Relax, dude. You’re not being seduced by the devil. It’s just a boner
I just had to read a script of Frankenstein for my acting class, and on their wedding night Victor tells Elizabeth that he created life with science, and her response was essentially "well don't you want to create life with me?"
@@bryngeiger7695 Now *that's* a good pick-up line!
I don't find that naming the monster "Frankenstein" is entirely inaccurate. He does call himself a Frankenstein when he's talking about how Victor is his creator.
Victor: how can I make life?
Everyone capable of giving birth: *rolls their eyes in exasperation*
So women?
Being capable of giving birth does not mean you can create life. Without a man, a woman is just as helpless to produce life as a man is wihtout a woman.
@@ALJ9000not all people who can give birth are women, and not all women can give birth.
Your comment takes on a completely different edge after reading about the parts of Mary Shelley's life that inspired the novel. To start, the way that Victor describes Adam upon first seeing him is _exactly_ how Mary Wollstonecraft described her daughter in her diary before dying. That sort of thing is bound to truck you up.
@@ALJ9000some women can’t give birth and some people who can give birth aren’t women
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a sort of modern retelling of Frankenstein where Victor is like, a modern college student going threw is quarter life crisis and Frankenstein’s monster is like a startup he’s really into making.
You mean kinda like the Re-Animator?
MagnetoDorito Ah yes.
I give to you "Facebook".
That's what The Social Network was, wasn't it?
It actually exist. Check out the webseries "Frankenstein MD." Its made by the guys behind The Lizzie Bennet Diaries, and its the most accurate Frankenstein adaptation I've ever seen.
The most unrealistic thing about Frankenstein is the idea that everyone finds him too scary to love, when as we internet-goers all know, there will be SOMEONE out there desperate to love that Big Beautiful Boy
Brienne of Tarth.
@@vvv3055 Well Jaime?
@@dams6829 or actually his sis, didn't she kinda dump him for the Frankenmountain? Oo (k she treathened him with the fm while dumping him but I'm taking some artistic liberty here :p) .
Hentai artists got yo back fam
Lmao tru
I really want a Frankenstein adaptation that's just Walton's sister reading the entire book in letter form with a giant glass of wine and a bowl of popcorn and making snarky comments about it.
The hair truning half grey and the art the way of explaining is amazing to the finest details
that is actually somewhat realistic as stress and exhaustion can cause grey hair
The general consensus in the comments is Clerval deserved better, and honestly yeah.
And Justine, right?
Clerval really did deserve better tho.
Henry Clerval and Justine Moritz deserved better!
while studying this me and my friends quoted that part a LOT
Well, truth be told, the convieniently adopted fair blonde and perfect Elizabeth was an addition of the rewritten edition of 1831. She was originally simply Victor's cousin (and is in fact still referred to as cousin) whose mother (Victor's aunt) died and her father begged Victor's dad to take her in 'cause he wanted to go get it on with some Italian lady.
It was changed because even at the time, the incestous implications made some readers sqeamish.
That's a really interesting point, could I get your source so I can use it for my school essay?
the kinzie chronicles You can probably find it somewhere on the web pretty easy, but if you have access to the 2019/2020 US Academic Decathlon Literature Resource Guide, it's in there.
@@herosmith5662 Okay thank you!
@@thekinziechronicles5218 Let us know how the essay went, when/if you've done it! Hope the sources were of help.
@@greenisthedevilscolor784 I got a 92/100. This teacher grades harshly. I worked on the essay almost all month.
9:22 the old man saing "woah" while the monster trauma dumps on him is fucking hilarious
2:52 actually, Victor’s fall began when he read a book about alchemy out of boredom when he was 14. He became obsessed with it until his father replicated Ben Franklin’s kite experiment and explained electricity two years later (he dismissed the alchemy book as trash instead of explaining that the principles therein were-and this is a direct quote-entirely exploded). Then Victor went to college and one of his professors was real rude about his obsession with alchemy. Then he went to office hours after seeing a chemistry lecture and a different professor explained that alchemy may have been bullshit, but some discoveries and scientific instruments were made by alchemists. Said Professor makes Victor his apprentice. Victor claims his obsession was dispelled by this talk, but one chapter later, he’s already building a homunculus called the Creature, not Frank’s Monster.
Here's a little sidenote: Justine was actually only about 14 years old.
Victor let a CHILD take the fall for what was essentiall his crime that led to her death.
Yeah.
Good job, Victor. You truly are a bastardly piece of work.
Hmmm. Are you sure?
From what I had read she was at least as old as Elizabeth, if not a little older.
She had moved in with the Frankensteins at about age12, I believe, and had been there for a while by the time Victor went off to college. And Victor spent almost 6 years there!
But either way, Victor continues to be an irredeamable piece of shit for letting an innocent woman, A CHILDHOOD FRIEND OF HIS, ALMOST A SECOND SISTER AND HIS FIANCÉ'S DEAREST FRIEND... WITHOUT SAYING A SINGLE WORD TO DEFEND HER *AT ANY POINT* BEFORE SHE WAS EXECUTED LIKE A GODDAMN MURDERER, REPUTED BY EVERYONE WHO KNEW HER IN TOWN AND ABANDONED BY HER RELATIVES... even after Elizabeth suffered horribly for both hers and William's death... all he worried about was how SHE AT LEAST HAD THE PEACE OF MIND OF KNOWING SHE WAS INNOCENT, WHILE *HE* HAD TO LIVE WITH THE GUILT... SO *HE* WAS THE REAL VICTIM HERE.
@@wandanemer2630 what COULD Victor have said though? “The creature I made from spare parts and animated killed my brother and framed this girl” yeah that’s a one way ticket to an asylum.
@@Stormkrow280 he could just have a caricature of the monster drawn, tell the judge that the person with this face is the one who did it, and then have the authorities do the rest
Unfortunately Victor’s imagination is as wild as a brick wall so he didn’t come up with that idea sooner
@@wandanemer2630 How old was William then? Cause a 12 year old girl killing anyone an adult, especially considering how, at the time, they probably figured women were weak.
@@Ty17V Victor was an adult, and he had two brothers: Ernest and William. It's mentioned that Ernest was 7 years younger than Victor, so William may be like 8-10 when he died
The three basic classical monster are werewolves, vampires and Frankenstein’s monster
Mummy: Am I a joke to you?
Maybe it's a lack of me reading or watching much media (I mostly play games), but I don't ever recall mummies ever really having any feelings or personality. They seem to be more or less zombies, but with toilet paper all over.
Awkward Birb zombies are the mainstream version of the mummies
In short? Yes.
@@awkwardbirb5710 its cloth not toilet paper
*Skeletons ribbing in the distance*
Victor, at least to me, is painfully relatable. He is, in a lot of ways, the part of me that I don't like about myself, combined with a lot more genius than me.
Finally, someone who also relate to Frankenstein!
Same, I thought I was the only one
It’s also really awkward to say this too since everyone is always shouting “VICTOR IS EVILL!” without seeing why he was and also why the monster ended up being one. They’re both victims and both also bad, because both didn’t think hard enough about they’re actions- like bro I am so mad about Clervals murder CMON HE DIDNT NEED TO BE DRAGGED INTO THIS 😭😭😭
I definitely relate to the whole "most of your suffering is slef inflicted because you made stupid decisions" part
Imagine if Victor actually decided to raise him then showed him to Elizabeth on their wedding night “Hun this is our 7 feet tall son that I created via grave robbing and galvanising. Don’t ask who his biological parents are because it could be different individuals depending on the body part”
Elizabeth: Wtf Victor?
The monster: ._.
Also, the monster: Feed me.
So the moral of the story is “Be a responsible science parent dammit”?
yes
*WHEN WILL YOU LEARN! THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!!!!!1!!!!ELEVEN!!!!*
Frankenstein in a nutshell.
"I immediately regret my decision."
"I just did a bad thing
I regret the thing I did
And you're wondering what it is
Tell you what I did
I did a bad thing"
@@vogonp4287 Poetry. :O
One thing: when the creature is first learning language he learns to speak French, not English. He picks it up from the De Lacey's while they're teaching Safie. Of course, we can assume he picked up English at some point since he can communicate fine with Walton.
As someone who has read the book, my favorite fun fact is that the monster is giant because working on tiny veins n shit hurt Victor's eyes...
Frankenstein's monster was originally beautiful but was made ugly by newer portrayals? That's the opposite to what normally happens...
Star Charmer It's usually easier to make something scary/a monster if it's "ugly". If you're trying to make a new Batman, bam, beautiful six pack slimwaisted chiseled jaw celebrity. If you're trying to make a creepy well dwelling ring girl, young child with black hair and pale skin. Not the best way to do things, but it generally works.
In Etrian Odyssey V, the class portrait for the male Necromancer looked like a sexy bara Frankenstein.
Side thought - can Red possibly be as gorgeous as her art makes her look?
Star Charmer
I mean Annabelle was just a haunted raggedy Anne doll that was more cute than scary but in the movies and stuff they made her/it into a really messed up doll
Well, it all comes full circle with Nasuverse's interpretation of Frankenstein's Monster where _she_ is now a pretty hot girl. Still a shit-tier waifu though, especially with gems like Astolfo and Mordred around, as well as a shit-tier Servant to use both in-story and in-game. Clearly, Victor was doing as a favor by not creating a male-counterpart that would allow them to breed shit-tier descendants together.
Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein isn't the monster
Wisdom is knowing Frankenstein is the monster
AuroraBorealis5030
Spelling is knowing Frankenstein is the monster.
Grammar is knowing Frankenstein was the monster.
Both are monsters
Oh my gosh how the heck did I spell it wrong??
I totally didn't notice lol
jod hod When writing about the events in novels, regardless of when the novel was written or in what time period the novel takes place in, you are supposed to write in present tense.
Thus, saying "Frankenstein was the monster" is actually incorrect. This statement refers to the fictional character Frankenstein in the novel, but, as he is the monster in the novel, you are supposed to write everything in present tense.
Not really. He didn't kill anyone. The monster did.
I just finished reading this book and my soul hurts. The ending is a lot sadder than you’d expect. What makes it such a heartbreaking tragedy is how close it came to having a happy ending so many times. But instead the characters make the worst possible choices every time.
At least we don’t get total confirmation that the monster went through with his suicide plan….which is something, I guess? And we don’t know what happened after Walton mailed those letters. Maybe the story went on to change the world for the better
The design for victor before his monster making year is so cute omg
I like to think that Victor isn't the first random stranger whose autobiography Robert Walton has transcribed in its 200 page entirety to mail to Margaret. I mean it's definitely the WILDEST but i feel like when Mr Saville came home the day the book arrived the interaction went a little bit like "whats that stack of 200 loose sheets of paper dear" "mail from robert came" "ah classic robert"
You know what, I agree.
You know what, now I want to hear more about the strange people who wound up in the arctic for this guy to write letters about lol
I ADORE this headcanon.
He does a lengthy bio of the captain he hired in the Prologue
I like to imagine an alternate tie in/spin off novel where it’s just Robert going on constant stream of consciousness tangents during his time on the ship, like Ishmael
"I'm alone *and* friendzoned!" "I'm alone *and* this creep thinks I owe him sex!" LOL.
Lol
Laugh out loud (btw i'm not old just for saying it like that)
The fact victor had a single unselfish brainwave that making a female and assuming shed like him shows he actually could have fixed things if he stopped being a blasted jerk. And that he was amart
Lol
@@OriginalAkivara or do as I do and don't stop licking her until ALL the sugar is gone.
The electricity the movies used was a reference to galvanism. Shelley also references galvanism in the creation of the monster and in Victor's backstory where he is amazed by lightning striking down a tree.
One detail Red left out (because you can't really cover everything in a synopsis, not because she isn't thorough) is that Victor also RATIONALIZED letting Justine die as being less awful for her because basically "her pain will soon be at an end, while my guilt and horror will continue on."
And I must still also mention that The Wretch threatens Victor that he "will be with him, even on his wedding night." The Wretch is promising Victor that he will cause him suffering, and misery, and loneliness equal to what The Wretch himself has suffered because of Victor. And VICTOR INTERPRETS THIS AS A THREAT ON HIS OWN LIFE AND LEAVES ELIZABETH ALONE AND UNGUARDED ON THEIR WEDDING NIGHT!!!!!
Victor Frankenstein is the highest echelon of self-absorbtion and ego that I have EVER encountered!!!
No, no, he said that Justine is dead, and it's horrible to him NOT BEING DEAD to bear this knowledge and guilt. He literally wanted to kill himself, because of the faults he made, and he stayed because that would be very irrational, egoistic and wouldn't solve the situation.
And it's hinted that he likes to overthink stuff, like that with his craziness (and he probably was right, because he already gave signes about crazy), and the reason Justine died was because of her confession, which was expected by no one. Though in the end he really thought really egoistic, because he didn't get obvious signs that Moster is about to strike his wife. Also, there is a point of no return in the book, where Elizabeth questioned Victor's love for her. If he was really saint man, he probably could have gone with "No, I love the other, cancel the wedding", for the price of innocent life. But he is not the saint, and that's how fate turned out.
@@ptero If it were really so horrible to him that Justine was going to die, then he would have confessed the truth himself. His whole monolog about how awful it was to live with his was just a cowards excuse to avoid facing the consequences of what he had done. And the reason Justine died, is because Victor didn't tell the truth. Sure she confessed, after horrendous mental torture and anguish. She had probably reached the point of being unable to bear it any longer and confessed just to see it all end. Her death is just as much Victor's fault as every other death in the story. Him making a big show of lamenting it afterwards is all just cowardice and ego. He is justifying his actions by claiming his guilt is worse than dying, AFTER he refused to save a woman he knew was innocent. And him telling the truth would have meant people could have taken measures to deal with the actual murderer and his creator instead of yet another life being lost when Victor's supreme arrogance again put an innocent life at risk by leaving his bride unprotected.
Overthinking doesn't come into play here. He's a coward and a craven,, not an man stricken with an anxiety disorder. He doesn't get any credit her. None at all.
@@MorrahaDesigns Welp, I agree, he could have told the truth at some point (anything is good if it's for the saving of innocent child), though really don't see where he "rationalized" it. He tried his best to to convince the judges that Justina is innocent without revealing the whole story - but it didn't help. He then said that he was tormented by his conscience for here it seems, twice in the book. And there was no "She's better off dead" there, it was seriously only his suicidal reasoning, which he then also rejected.
Also just pointing out, Justina was a stranger to him, but that's beside the point...
... But yea, I also don't say that he wasn't a coward and narrow minded when came to other people. He just wasn't "Evil" in his self absorbtion and ego, quite the less, I think, but he just couldn't stand the responsibility. He wanted to do good and everything, but always avoided goong all in, thinking it will work out naturally.
@@ptero He withheld information that would have saved an innocent life in order to protect his own guilty self. And he DID justify it by saying that her suffering would soon be over while his continued. He is a vile, coward. The whole thing began because he decided he was smarter and better than he was and muddled in horrible depraved experiments. He deserves ZERO justification. The ONLY semi-decent thing he does is refuse to create another wretch. But then he cancels that out by allowing his own bride to die. There is not a single thing you can say in his defense that will actually make him seem less horrible.
Your responses to me are very much in the vein of "He's not as bad as you claim him to be."
Yes he is, he is a horrible beast and there is a very strong reason why many, many people say that Victor was the true monster all along.
Your bit about him avoiding going all in because he hoped it would work out is just whitewashing the selfish, cowardly muck he is actually made of.
He is irredeemable because he passed up every single opportunity he was given to redeem himself. He is not a sympathetic character.
@@MorrahaDesigns I would like to see exact quote, where he rationalized Justine's death. On the other things - I think you just making too much devil out of him by looking at his lone actions. If you don't remember, he seriously regrets what he did and also what he thought. He thought too much of himself and then realized that it was wrong. He prioritized the coward's own comfort over imminent danger to the child, and the conscience was so bad, he wanted to kill himself. And, well, he was just plain stupid when he thought about how the monster wants to attack. It seems to me that human error is playing a role here, because for many chapters, he was very, very worried about the safety of his loved ones - even if he suspected that the Monster was following him on his heels to England. If you take into account his reasoning in the past, then you should not forget this either.
So I also see him as coward, but very complicated in his feelings coward. It's my point. And don't like my boi being slandered so hard from you :)
how in hell are vampires the ones who got sexualized instead of Frankestein and his monster?
vampires are just cold bloded murderes, intrinsecally evil and/or literally Satan.
on the other hand we have a young tormented doctor and his creation, a tall, hot man with weird eyes and a dark, hard life.
the fanfics just write themselves!
edit: 2.6k likes? It was a lame joke, I don't want to be remembered as the guy who was into Victor Frankestein homoerotic fanfiction...
Plus Victor literally had a "friend" that took care of him when he was traumatized and got into a 2 MONTH COMA when he found out Clerval died
@@raspberrycrowns9494 otp
@Instrumentality1000 ever heard of the twilight franchise? That's what a vampire is to the general public nowadays.
Frankenstein 's creation is more simpathetic sure, but its still just an animated fleshbag at the end of the day.
look up the fate franchises version of Frankenstein. trust me they do sexualize him or in this case her.
Wulfgar Konarhik Babbage protests
Let's be honest, if Victor made a beautiful man from the "finest parts", this is just a 'modern day' Galatea.
Frankenstein's monster is the first husbando.
True. Though I like the Galatea story better. Something about a sentient corpse just freaks me out.
This is simultaneously the most cursed and delightful idea I have ever read
Promethean the Created does both.
Victor was the first monster fucker
@@guccerice1162 Agreed.
Or the first since the Queen of Crete.
As much as I love Mary Shelley’s “Frankenstein”. I can’t help but prefer Universal’s depiction of the Monster, specifically in “The Bride of Frankenstein”(BoF). People tend to balk at the lack of intelligence of the monster in those films, but when it comes to playing up the tragedy of the wretched creature’s existence, I would say the film performs better. In Shelley’s novel, I feel the monster is too intelligent, and Victor’s antagonistic relationship and hand in his creation often leads people to overlook that the monster is a dark mirror of Victor. He is incredibly intelligent and philosophical. Yes Victor is at fault for his reckless thirst for knowledge and creation as well as his immediate negligence of his own creation, but that doesn’t mean that the creature would actually be peaceful without him. The creature is more intelligent, powerful and vengeful than Victor ever was. Shelley doesn’t just make the parallels between the monster and Lucifer in “Paradise Lost” just because it’s a relationship between Creator and Rebelling creation, she uses it to build the fear of the Monster. The Monster believes himself to be Adam, but his parallels are closer to Lucifer, and that’s intentional, he hungers for what he cannot have and becomes vengeful when it happens.
In the films and more so in BoF, the monster is presented as the state of being Shelley elected to skip over in order to return to eloquent dialogue. He is barely sentient and simple, because he is essentially a newborn. Book Monster is intelligent in his murders, doing so out of vengeance and malice, using his intelligence to implicate others. Movie monster murders out of self defense or by accident or both. He’s an infant with strength beyond his own recognition. It’s like Superman’s “World of Cardboard” speech to Darkseid. And there lies the tragedy in movie Monster. He kills the little girl not out of malice, but out of a childish misunderstanding, simply tossing her into a pond to see her float but because he doesn’t comprehend what’s happening, he kills her and watches her drown.
In BoF, the tragedy of the Monster really becomes apparent as the monster moves from Antagonist to Protagonist. Surviving barely from the hands of angry mob, a visual representation of the world who would happily kill him and be done with it, he hides and finds no comfort. That is until he hears a violin playing, it’s music. Music isn’t intelligent or eloquent, it’s simply beautiful, perhaps one of the few comforts the Monster finds in his existence. There he finds the Blind man, definitely lifted from the book, but there the man lives alone. And this difference really cements the tragedy and the emotion of BoF. Because the Blind Man is also alone, he delights in his New Friend of the Monster. He LOVES the monster, it’s the first time that it is shown to the audience that were it not for extenuating circumstances, the monster is not ill fit for the world, he can find happiness and he did for a short time. It shows him that he is not alone in his loneliness, further more it gives the Monster the opportunity to learn things from someone else, not just by listening to them. When the hunters come by to check on the Blind Man, they pull him away from the Monster against his wishes, thus damning the both of them. At which point the Monster is alone once more, though now he knows and understands the word “friend”. When the films true antagonist approaches the creature, he offers to create for him a mate, an other, a “friend”. Now desperate to reclaim that feeling he so briefly tasted. The monster agrees, but upon the unveiling of the bride, she screams out of fear. It is so much more tragic than the books hypothetical because the Monster isn’t searching for a mate, he simply wants a friend who understands him. But upon achieving his goal and seeing the birth of the only being that could ever truly understand him, and have her reject him, his response is a suicidal depression. What’s worse is that the Bride is much prettier than he is, no doubt as a result of Victor’s work improving whilst having intelligent assistance (and Hollywood’s sexism). She would be better accepted than he would be, she wouldn’t be alone. Only he would.
Book Monster demands a mate from Victor because not only does he not want to be alone, but because he is alive and egotistical enough to believe he should get one. In his mind, he is Adam and he wants an Eve, so he wants “God” to give him one. Victor is the biggest PoS in the book, but the monster is still a monster and a legitimate threat. The movie Monster is a tragic character, a being birthed into a world that despised him and dangles happiness in front of him before ripping it away.
Shelley’s depiction of the monster is eloquent and beautiful but in a way that’s the problem. The Monster is too intelligent to be completely tragic. It’s hard to buy how a creature that intelligent can’t find a way to live in the world. His intelligence is, like Victor, a character flaw.
The movie Monster, however, is a tragic protagonist. Unlike intelligence portrayed through eloquent writing and dialogue, the Monster is given simple and understandable emotions and actions.
Both of these depictions are incredibly nuanced and fascinating. But I’m tired of seeing the movie monster being reduced to “The dumb cheesy one.”
Interesting, but I still hate the “malformed brain” explanation for why the creature is the way he is, it feels like a cheap excuse instead of the complicated idea that even the best of us can be twisted because of unending cruelty from others.
When did he drown a girl
I'd honestly love a story where the two versions of the monster meet, and the movie one just straight up tells the book one that he's a bad person
@@OgGuak420 Arriving here very late, but for whoever is wondering, the monster accidentally drowns a girl in the 1931 adaptation directed y James Whale. That and the sequel (Bride of Frankenstein, 1935) are the films the original comment refers to. They are great movies, where the monster is interpreted by the great Boris Karloff
So in a weird way, the movies were functionally fanfiction of the original book? Like, it really sounds like they liked the book but thought that there was untapped potential in the way you talked about the monster essentially growing up too fast, and they decided to explore the story from the au angle of "what if the monster was effectively a newborn the entire time" and came to the logical conclusion if that one change - that tye monster wouldn't be truly monstrous at all
And then they made multiple movies about that version instead of the original
When I hear about a disregard for discipline or consequences in the search for greater scientific knowledge, I always think back to that one quote from Ian Malcom in the first Jurassic Park movie: "You see, your scientists were so focused on whether or not they *could* , they didn't stop and think if they *should* !"
"You can just NOT put her reproductive organs in"
"THERE'S NO TIME"
Like, bruh. That will literally SAVE time. XD
Not unless he's using the entire pelvis of some woman's corpse, meaning that the removal of the reproductive organs would take more time.
Also, maybe he should have considered the fact that corpses are generally infertile?
@@James-zr8vi i mean, corpses are also generally dead, so maybe the process that brings them back to life also makes them fertile
@@emmanuelpena2228 he really should have done this with rats like a proper scientist.
There was a neat book in I think 3.5 Edition D&D that went into some ideas for crafting undead and such. One such feature was a method of preserving recently dead bodily parts to the degree that they were still functional as living body parts. I remember this because my brother created a story about a necromancer who brought back the body of their lost love and was having a child with them. Creepy realizations and moral arguments ensued.
@@josephperez2004 That's really cool ngl
_The male characters in your videos are too pretty for their own good._
yesss
Hades and Lucifer is a great example.
I . . . think she has a Type.
@@draxiss1577 honestly the best skill is being good enough at drawing to draw your preferenced body type of whatever you're in to
Victor’s hair is my aesthetic
5:25 I can definitely see Victor having entire cabinets exclusively full of cup noodles. This is now canon in my eyes.
3:02 oh no! It turns out the weird uncle was H.P. Lovecraft the whole time!
Oh no, not AGAIN!
Hahahaha
"Recreate the biggest mistake of his life but with boobs."That killed me😂
Beeancahuang relatable
Oh so I wasn't the only one that's good XD
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Book Frankenstein: Extremely intelligent and eloquent speaker, pale with dark hair, goth bookworm
Pop culture Frankenstein: Big green man that grunts unintelligably
I wish society took more influence from the book.
Which is honestly more accurate if you just electrocuted a hunk of dead meat :(
I vote to make a movie as close as possible to the book.
Isadora Lotti there is the 1994 movie
Odd thing is, he wasn't supposed to be green. The green makeup was just to make him look pale in black and white.
I think victor is the Modern Prometheus because he "steals fire from the gods" in other words by creating life he is using something that was not meant for mortal hands.
That end credits song you sang is absolutely beautiful and fitting for this book, “running around leaving scars” ties into how to monster is made up of various parts that were stitched together, and the natural healing process would leave scars, “carrying your jar of hearts, and tearing love apart” ties into how Victor grave robbed a bunch of cemeteries (him carrying a jar of literal hearts) and his lack of good character qualities made him destroy every relationship and person that he cared about, the “you’re going to catch a cold, from the ice inside your soul” ties into how victor dies of exposure, inevitably caused by his lack of responsibility, empathy, and courage to face the consequences of his actions
Jar of Hearts by Christina Perri. I was surprised at just how well it fit.
The “scary” eyes you gave Frankenstein honestly made him pretty hot
Frankenstein's monster.
@@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 seriously? You know he is technically a Frankenstein. He's basically Victor's kid so he would get Victor's last name.
@@tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 there is a movie about this type of Frankenstein's monster where he fights demons with gargoyles....weird I know but it is a good movie it is called
i, frankenstein
@@stormthanatosokami4221 It's a fun movie. I've watched it.
@@JaneDoeSignedHancock That has never crossed my mind but it does make sense.