Esham on Eminem, 8 Mile, ICP, Red Tape, Music Platforms, Protecting Detroit | Kid L Podcast
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Esham Interview! Esham is a pioneer in Hip Hop and Rap, from Detroit, Michigan. He's known for his contributions in Hip Hop subgenres of horror core and acid rap. He emerged in the late 1980s and is considered a legend in these genres. Furthermore, he's influenced many artists with his dark, violent lyrics, and experimental sound. Esham released his debut album, "Boomin' Words of Hell,' in 1989, when he was just a teenager. His unique sound and provocative content have made him a significant figure in the underground hip hop scene. Over the years, he's released numerous albums and EPS, both as a solo artist, and as a part of the group Natas. In this talk, we discuss his timeline from before rap, during rap, his first album, his encounters with D12 and Eminem, and his closure of the situation with Detroit Legend Proof. We also discuss his concern for culture protection for the city of Detroit.
00:00 - Chapter 2
01:05 - Early Life
03:47 - Starting Music
04:58 - Music Sales
07:35 - Early Music
09:17 - Royce’s “Pioneer” Statement
10:07 - Culture Protection
11:39 - Eminem
12:31 - Black Culture Protection
15:33 - Mainstream and Underground
18:29 - the Detroit Sound
20:23 - Boom, Red Tape
21:29 - 90s Detroit Scene
24:41 - Purgatory
26:04 - Music Motives
30:27 - Eminem and ICP - Розваги
Quality interview, big bless for Esham, that’s a man that helped define a chapter of Detroit and the wicked shxt
This interviewer/host did a terrible job 😂😂😂
@@Kingspade419my grandfather lived in Detroit and my mom grew up there before the arson murder and crack. It’s awesome to hear esham talk about the pear trees that used to be there, the same that o grew up hearing about. And when I grew up many thousands of years ago, outside Detroit, the only reason to ever go into the city was to see the Tigers or for music. And Esham was one of those artists that defined a scene there that I still love all these years later. So maybe not everybody’s going to be interested in hearing esham talk about the pear trees of old Detroit, but for me it’s awesome to hear.
@@newyorkcitytrucking1215 fax back in the day alot of the ogs had a garden 💯
@EshamsDopeHoe 😂😂 I was not talking about your part in it, I was talking about how the interviewer was interviewing you 😂😂. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 attacking me when, yeah he did a shit job on interviewing you. Could have been way better
THE WICKED SHIT'LL NEVA DIEEEE
Esham is Detroit royalty
Hip Hop royalty.
Too bad he don’t know anything about loyalty tho.
whats he ever done for detroit compared to eminem who made some detroit people millionaires, who has the marshall mathers foundation which helps detroit, moms spaghetti where profits go to detroit, who done 8 mile and all the extras where detroit rappers getting a cheque
No Esham = No Eminem@@christophercoyle65
Boss came before Mc Breed
Dude doing the interview did not do his homework. Didnt even mention Natas or acknowledge how Esham wrote and produced all his own music since 15. He just jumped straight into Eminem and thanks for coming. No real flowers whatsoever.
I guess you could say…dead flowers
(Sorry)
Lol great album
there was very little about Eminem in this interview..don't play yourself...
he ended D12 because proof died..Esham is very jealous of Eminem..
I wish mfs would stop asking Esham about Eminem. He's tired of it, and so am I tbh.
Fr only someone that doesn't know Esham in Reel life or the history wouldn't even bring that up. Proof of this guy interviewings lack of Hip Hop knowledge. He only heard on interview he was born in New York he says it in his music
Word
You didn't have to watch!
Dudes a rapper from Detroit. You think he was going to be interviewed for an hour and not get asked about Eminem? Lmao rappers in LA get asked about em come on dog 😂
I love esham but to be fair...esham started this interview quoting Eminem lyrics
The interviewer dropped the ball on this
He did, he tried pushing and pushing a narrative onto Esham and he wasn't about it, but the interviewer still didn't get it, learn how to read the people in the room and navigate the interview from there.
My brother turned me on to Esham when I was a teenager. I was born and raised in Flint, home of MC Breed and Top Authority. Miss them days.
Top authority?..? I am not aware please school me. I fug with Detroit artists and I haven't heard of Top authority
Top authority?..? I am not aware please school me. I fug with Detroit artists and I haven't heard of Top authority
Breed, Top Authority, Dayton Family. All legends.
I’m from New York even I know Esham is the first underground Detroit king
Much luv Esham and James aka Dead boy! First independent millionaire hip Hop artist to do it on his own with his team no majors 💯
💯 fax my bro frfr
He definitely deserves his flowers....R.L.P
Can't no man give him flowers lol
@@davidlarkin7937dude wasn't listening
Dead flowerz
He could have gave this man a proper introduction this man is the definition of a Detroit legend folks overlooked this man and never gave him his credit smh.
Preach!
i hope we start getting more esham interviews!
I always find myself telling people that Esham is “the happiest person on earth”
Sounds like it😂
MC Breed and ESHAM was the first Known rappers out of Michigan
Boomin words was already a known banger in detroit before breed ever dropped a tape
Wrong
First rappers out Detroit I've ever heard were Awesome Dre Esham Smiley and Ez B and my brother Los, a little later was Detroits Most Wanted DMW
AWOL raised me Rip DJ Homicide and Rip Soulman 🕊🙏🏾👑🕊👑🙏🏽
Salutes 🙌🏾
Rip Breed he was real cool bro 🙏🏾
@@crazedscorner5984Breed was on a national stage representing for Michigan though.
@@beenfrankI grew up on EZB and DJ Los, DMW and Esham. That was the best vinyl ever! Those groups really set the tone for Detroit rap.
Esham created acidrap n Detroit horrorcore he's the main guy people seem to forget
I seen him in flint back in the early 90s selling tapes out the trunk one of my favorite artists
Same here! I seen him at the Hallwood plaza on Clio rd when there was a 711 on the corner of Clio and Pierson road thats where i copped that booming words from hell joint and was the red tape! I still have that tape to this very day!
Geeked you finally got Esham on the podcast but i hate you used most of the interview talking about Eminem. No disrespect to you Kid L but asking him to sign to Shady Records was an insult when Esham basically was Master P before Master P! I remember when that K!ll the Fetus album dropped, he was charging $20 for the cassette when the standard price was $10 and the cashier at wherehouse music in northland was trying to convince me not to buy it but I wasn't trying to hear that lol. Everytime he dropped a new album, they would literally have the whole city covered with posters and promo. This the first rapper i know of to drop a double album. The only rapper that had red and gold tapes so they automatically stood out. And if you remember reading the credits, they used to say "Produced,Written,Mixed and Mastered, Arranged, etc by Esham A. Smith" and his brother James was Executive Producer. Man this dude prolly got billions stashed lol
You said it best!
Nope
nah he is broke as a joke
@@ducklife420Networth is over 5 Mill and has other investments. He a real G. He may not sell drugs but, he sells music and possibly has property investments. Dude is really smart with his $
How you know his financial situation? Yeah he prob don't got millions like ICP or something but how you know he ain't stash money ? Guarantee if he gets booked for a live show he getting paid good etc . Don't just assume because he ain't popping no more that he's broke kinda ignorant tbh
We got to acknowledge those baby blue Concords straight Detroit shit!!!
Yes yes you rite Detroit shit
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Plus that R.L.P letterman jacket shit is 🔥.
I Thought Those Were Top 10'$
Kidd L took a grown man L in this one. You don’t disrespect the Legends Homie.
"Believe the things I say ,I'm the master of the universe man .". Lol Esham > the Interviewer
Man i discovered esham through Icp in highschool back in 06! I was blown away and instant fan since then. #1 favorite rapper!
Esham's the goat! A pioneeer and godfather of the wicked shit, paved the way for that entire scene coming from Detroit. Straight up Detroit legend!
"What is it, a fantasy or some something like that? I didn't see it" -Esham on 8 Mile
Some hater shit lol
@@johndez5213get Em’s meat out your mouth please.
@@johndez5213not really 8 mile is like a 1 watch movie.It's not that great.
@@420slayer3Nah, it was good.
It's has some rewatchability.
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one day I'ma fade away & set the world on fire and watch the sky turn graaeaye!
Esham is my childhood favorite rapper my uncle introduced him to me my he rest in paradise esham is street legend icon when it come independent music facts..💪🏾🔥
This guy needs to get a real crash course on Esham and his legacy
He's not lying about selling records, I bought closed casket last year.
Esham is the goat, after meeting him he’s the most humble guy with the most under appreciated career off all time.
My experience w Esham in the 3HM tour was disappointing. He musta been in a bad mood or maybe he didnt like my face. But he was rude as hell during the meet n greet. That i fuckin paid for.
@@JuggaloJWord yeah I also have to say his performance at hallowicked was absolutely ass I suppose he’s human like everyone else haha. I imagine he carries a lot of weight on himself about where he stands in the whole conversation of rappers he’s pretty underground despite being a creator of a huge sound.
I learned about Esham in the 90s. Growing up in Jersey, you didn't really get too much exposure to the scenes of the midwest, west, south, etc unless it was more on the mainstream side. We DID, however, have a big ICP following on this side. I listened to ICP as a kid, and they kept mentioning this guy Esham, and then Esham was featured on a bunch of their songs.
One day in 1999, I was just hanging out at the mall and I found Mail Dominance and started listening to it in the sample booth (remember those??) I fell in love with the sound. Mail Dominance was my introductory album to Esham and I still listen today. This guy is very underrated. Criminally so.
He seems cool as shit. He seems like he has tons of great stories to tell about his career. Must be a blast to have a beer w this guy and sit under the learning tree.
Damn i need to watch this one a second time 🔥 Esham is my hero
Salute to my Homie and Detroit Legend and pioneer ESHAM! True trendsetter and staple in Hip Hop! Most definitely on Detroits Mount Rushmore hands down! Its an honor to have protested the summer jam in the 90s Gotham City to rockin mad shows to banging ur music since the 80s! Homie don't play! Boom words! The red tape! Erotic poetry! And still dropping 🔥 🫡
I remember he gave me a T-shirt as a kid in the 90s on my block & my mom made me take it back
Dam why😂
😂😂😂 bruh was misunderstood and hated by many
Wow
Listening to esham in the 90s was taboo to most parents
...My mom didn't even know who he was 😂
Swift and Kuniva are still touring as D12. They're great!
Nobody cares
I love both these comments lol
I grew up in Royal Oak, but I definitely shared the struggle of the streets of Detroit. Esham is the 🐐 of Detroit Hip Hop.
Esham said "I dropped out of school at 16 and got paid" 🔥 that's what we did too 😅
So many good Esham songs. Natas too. Helped with my catharsis.
One of the greatest rappers of all time. Insanely underrated outside of the Midwest.
This is ANOTHER reason I love ESHAM. He keep it so 100 in this interview
That jacket dough 🔥🔥🔥
Classic Esham
48:38 the stupidest question ever
Esham a straight up Detroit LEGEND!! 🫡💯
‘I don’t really care what they say about me… circums of insanity, no therapy…you so selfish!’
🔥🔥🔥 🙌🔊🎵💯
"You cant put a beat in a category" -Esham very powerful man.
This the Reel Life legend !!!
Esham influenced a lot of artists worldwide not just regionally. Esham should’ve been a bigger artist with a bigger machine but he found his footing in the underground and is the Godfather of the wicket shit
Peace to E and James for all they have done for the industry
Those who know , know
💯
Uk Reel Life livin, E been my main influence, happy to say i made a beat 4 him and worked with mastamind
@@DIRTBOYS that's what's up I did tracks with him and mad live shows even protested the radio station with him in the 90s
Thank u Esham for all the years of music that u continue to bring..It's all REEL LIFE
Facts! The red tape made the Red Zone! I was a jit! On Fordham & Reno (13800 Fordham) Right across from the Mathis family! Esham & Big Mark was my inspiration to rap
Reel Life! ESHAM was one of my biggest musical inspirations in the game of hip hop. That originality really separated him from the rest, his shit was so controversial and different people just wanted to keep hearing! Acid rap was born and a legend was made... no one was dropping shit like he was back then. He's just on a different level.period.
Its true many people don’t understand the game these days, the hustle just aint the same and the passion has faded in the music, no one puts in the effort artists used to back in the early 90's.. I feel struggle is somewhat necessary for a dope MC to emerge. Its just not the same and its difficult to accept at times. Natas is my favorite group, Doubelieveingod? Is the sickest album ever along with E's '94 & '96 release. I can still remember the first time i heard them all. That feeling I got no longer transpires with new music...
Someone that plans to do an interview and make videos needs to do thier research and ask uncommon questions to ensure the artist actually wants 2 be there. Keep it interesting and unique. Im the biggest underground and 90's hip hop enthusiast, with that being said i feel this guy barely tried. Dont mean to be rude but do your homework guy. Esham has a bigger story to tell and he would share if you actually asked some clever questions. There is an art form to interviewing. Keep studying or u just shouldn't be doing this. Respect the art.👍🏼
I'm Scottish and know that Esham is a Legend in Detroit and a rapper and D-12 would talk about alot. That's how I became a fan off the back of them.showing love.
Show the love but please don’t show your kilt
Back in the 80’s every kid in Michigan had Eshams Boomin. He was the first rap hero in the Mitten period. Traverse City was THE Suicidalist capital at that time hands down.
Traverse city????? not many people even know where traverse city even is..... I get so many dirty looks in traverse city listening to esham walking up the sleeping bear sand dunes or at the beach
1991 For Me The Re Release Of Boomin Words From Hell
Love ESHAM - hes the reason I got into rap at a yung age and he's always held down the D frum the get frfr --- love to see u gettin sum shine bruh preciate the interview
Finally some one gives ESHAM his flowerz for being a creator
The interviewer sucked and kept asking him eminem this and eminem that. All the wrong questions
"I'm a cross between Mansion, Esham, and Ozzy" - Eminem - I still don't give a fuck
Manson
Should have taken the compliment. Jfc. Salty af
I remember when Esham had the studio at the Nile on Jefferson and Van Dyke. When he abandoned it we use to go in there and it was like a museum. Black lights, Old CDs in boxes, posters, it was crazy. I crowned him the hardest working man in show business. 👑
Damn, do you have any pics?
A whole legend
Big respect Esham held his ground in this interview. I believe everything he said and wish things could have worked out better in the grand scheme of this business.
Yea but esham made a lot of money underground no doubt he’s not hurt money I bet ..
@@MichaelThomas-yt9zk for real tho,
There is a big difference between a direct sale "physical" copy purchase and a "digital download" 🤔 💯💯💯
Been waiting on him to speak his facts!!! Let em know E!!!!💪💪🔥🔥🔥fire interview
WHOOP WHOOP, Esham is the Man. Tells em Straight and Keeps it Real. Much Love Homie, and Purgatory is the shit. Loved how you combined rap and metal, acoustic and such. Keep it Up, Love ya.
From the streets of Motown where rock n rock started ... " 😎
Esham is the realest Detroit rapper
Esham is the G.O. A.T of
Detroit
Period
We need more Esham interviews… classic content.
I like Esham, but I think he took a chance to battle Eminem instead of work with him. Eminem said, "I'm a cross between Manson, Esham, and Ozzy." Saying Esham was an influence/part of his style... I didn't understand Esham having beef over that. He could've made such a bigger impact if he would've took it how it was said...
Beef sales
Shut up
In the song Kill You, Eminem also said "I ain't acid rap, but I rap on acid. Got a new blow up doll and just had a strap-on added" and he took that as a diss.
I was given the opportunity to see Dark Lotus and Esham on tour back in 2008 at Hollywood, Ca. I was a teenager back than.
Esham is that guy !!!! Respect
What a dope azz interview. That's my G. Inspiration to make music myself ✨
734 IN THE BUILDING ALMOST THOUGHT THIS WAS A BREAKFAST CLUB INTERVIEW FROM THE THUMBNAIL😂. BUT SO GREAT 2 SEE ESHAM DOING INTERVIEWS SHOUT-OUT TO KID L!!!
LEGEND! EastSideHoesAndMoney!!!!
These artists have stated they were influenced by Esham… Em,Kid Rock, Icp,Marlyn Manson, Korn, NIN,Hopsin,
I didn't know that Marilyn Manson, Korn & NIN mentioned Esham as an influence.
The King of Rap Horror Core 😎
Esham somehow had a decent following in the South, especially during the Dead Flowerz era.
I'm from Mississippi, I found out about dude back in 2011 when I was looking up "Horrorcore" on Wikipedia and his boomin words from hell album was on there. Been a fan ever since
Awesome Interview!
My pops wouldve loved this interview
Gotta say, some of these youtube interviewers need to start either getting slapped or put in their place.
You got this guy bringing up the shit with D12 from a LONG time ago and trying to get Esham to feel bad or admit to being wrong for his lyrics. Then at the end low key asking E "how does it feel to have fell off nowadays?"
The other day ICP was on No Jumper and the one dude Wack something or other brings up Tech N9ne to ICP and they tell him how they've known Tech for over 20 years, but the guy keep interrupting them and trying fill them in on who Tech is, as if he's introducing them to who Tech is for the first time.
Most Definitely He Pushed And Moved So Much Underground It's Crazy 🤪
A few of the D12 members with Obie Trice are touring Canada right now using D12 name. Not sure why dude putting out storylines
Just saw them up here in TO too. Obie, Kuniva and Swifty killed it. They even shouted Esham out smdh.
Respect to my homies D12 that beef been over with
Rip Big Proof there would be no Eminem without Big Proof period 💯🙌🏾💯👑🕊🙏🏾🙏🏼🙏🏽
Yea esham is just lying about that shit.
Em had Benzino crying 😭
Me And My Twin Virgo ♍ Brother Are 3 Months Younger Then Esham A Smith And We Are Both 47 Soon To 48 In September 9/9/76/ Yup Don't Bite Us In Detroit Michigan/ We Take Detroit Very Seriously. To The Heart ♥.
17:07 that was powerful asf. What a legend. E is such a Detroit legend real asf
Man I need.1 of them RLP Varsity jackets
THANK YOU
Esham a true legend. 💯 "I'm where u got ur style from"
Esham been that dude since day one a true Detroit Legend fa sho👍👌✌️💯
Does esham sell merch right now that RLP bomber is dope af
Esham schooled kid 🫡 E much luv - Detroit Music Awards winning podcast of the year!
The RITZ in Roseville!!
Early 90’s sham rocked that place. Good times!!
anyone know what is being referred to when they talk about the red zone?
Alot more could of been said, How natas actually formed in the early days, Would Reel Life prods make a comeback? James Smith (deadboy) influenced him , Would E and mastamind work again? , and is there unreleased TnT tracks from the suicide bomber album which never dropped
A lot more... from 88 - 96 Esham had a wonderful run
that was PEAK Esham era
@@beoriginalentertainment
This makes me even more of an Esham fan!! 🤡❤️
Whoop Whoop
Born "81" raised and live in Southwest Chadsey High
Lived through the struggle
MMFCL
Dope af…Esham
Good interview E...
My manz Esham
I fucking love Esham, god damn it
Yall remember Esham when he said, "I'm a 7Mile ridin' Benz glidin' big bluntin' ain't no future in yo frontin!" And "Girl you fly but you aint that fly that you can't say hi when a guy say hi!"
you better ask sumbody
4 Sure!
Mc breed was doper than esham by far
True dat. RIP Breed. His music made EVERYONE go nuts. Where you from?
ANOTHER dope ass Detroit rap group: ua-cam.com/video/2M9TTzeuHeQ/v-deo.htmlsi=59nko4kw7XzYA58A
Crazy respect for the DETROIT Goat!!!
Amazing interview best interview of all time 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🫵
Not by a long shot. The interviewer blew it
As a native Detroiter born and raised on the Westside that meet Esham ( I'm 6 months younger than E at 50 yrs old) back in 1987ish and is a True Day 1er, if you didn't grow up in Detroit or know about how there wasn't a rap scene in Detroit back then but mostly Flint and Saginaw and experienced how Esham was BLACKLISTED by Urban Detroit radio stations how they record stires kept his tapes and CD's hidden or behind the counter but was pretty much the catalyst for a few white rappers (ICP, Twizied, Kid Rock to a certain extent and most definitely Eminem who bit Esham's style) that got more respect and love from Detroit than E did then you don't understand the struggle and how Esham never got his props until way later on in his career. And I've noticed it's newer fans, probably anyone under 30 yrs old think they know what's up doe are the worst ones of an Esham fans. Esham has a reason to be in feelings.
I’m from cross the river in Windsor we had a group of 50 dudes that pushed esham on everyone in the streets in the Early 90s .Wicket shit will never die .down since day 1
Saginaw checking in. Esham was notorious as soon as shit came out. His shit scared everyone. He was the real rap Boogeyman. As a metalhead his shit resonated with me since I was just a boy.
I grew up in Roseville, and I definitely heard Sunshine on the radio. Record time was always promoting Eshams albums, and I had every one of them. He definitely had struggles, but I don't know what you're talking about being shelved?
Dead Flowers is my favorite album of ALL time! This man is a legend!🎉
Yes dead flowers was the GREATEST ALBUM..... until his next album..... ESHAM is one of maybe four artists that can somehow make an album that is only topped by the next album they make....
My Guy, Esham!!! ✊🏾💯
Give Esham credit for bringing the Detroit sound
💯
Good to see an interview from E
I'm disappointed in this interview. As much as I would like to BLAME the interviewer, I believe that Esham didn't give this talk a fair shot. I've watched it twice, here's what I noticed:
1. Esham seems a little tense in the beginning of the interview, he gave no eye contact with the interviewer. You can hear in his demeanor, and his tone, that he wasn't very thrilled to be at this interview in particular. (This can be validated as the interview goes on).
2. The interviewer starts off with basic factual information about Esham, and let's Esham explain his upbringing and early career. During which, he doesn't give detailed responses to any of the questions by the interviewer. This makes it more clear that there is some type of bitter tension during this interview.
3. Esham randomly begins speaking on, "Culture Appropriation," and "Protecting Hip Hop, and Detroit." From OUTSIDERS. He is clearly speaking to the interviewer. We can confirm this by Esham addressing the interviewers background, and making statements such as, "You're Chaldean, but you're doing interviews in Detroit. That's like me going to Israel and being a part of the Middle Eastern culture." Esham CLEARLY has a distaste for the interviewer. He also throws shots at Eminem during this statement.
4. The Interviewer offers Esham the opportunity to END THE PODCAST permanently if Esham wishes. Esham back pedals and steers towards Eminem.
5. The interviewer seems to see this Eminem discussion as "False Bait" and moves on to talk about Esham and his career more.
6. As the conversation continues, the Interviewer makes a miss-step and changes the timeline of the conversation to Esham's current project, "Purgatory."
7. The timeline of the conversation gets thrown off, which is most likely do to the tension and disturbance from the "Culture Vulture" Conversation.
8. The interviewer brings up the Eminem situation, in which Esham keeps stating, "You would have to ask Eminem what the problem is."
9. The interviewer has enough information to state that Esham should know what the problem is, but Esham instead plays around with the topic, until Esham realizes the interviewer is well-informed about the beef.
10. They exit the Eminem conversation, in which Esham and the Interviewer have now both built tension between each other, and Esham leaves.
I think that Esham had preconceived notions about this interviewer, which made him reluctant to speak in depth about any matter, I also think the interviewer could have done a better job navigating the conversation when it came to the Eminem situation. This could have been a great interview because clearly these are 2 intelligent men that just couldn't find common ground. I will be releasing a video next week on my main page to get further into detail.
I noticed that too. Very tense. Esham must have got paid to be there or something cause he wasn't tryna talk about nothing.
Esham has the right to feel how he feels about KID L. That's why Kid L offered to cancel the podcast if Esham wanted. He knew Esham was right.
E an OG bro these new cats don't know what they are talking about. but I do agree i don't think dawg interviewing did nothing wrong, they probaby aint chop it up beforehand, thats why joe rogan be going out to dinner with his guests before interviews so they can feel each other out
agreed
@@aceman313he knew his proclivity to dick ride em