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PLUGGING A CHURCH PIPE ORGAN INTO A SYNTHESIZER - I BOUGHT A CHURCH ORGAN PART 9
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2022
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@Thomas Yeats in case you don't know, that board was probably taken from the church. It's used to show the numbers in the hymnal for the hymns that will be sung during service.
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Suggest making that stomp pedal ALL NOTES OFF.
I built a set of Moog Taurus II pedals into a MIDI controller and if you get switch bounce, the ALL NOTES OFF is super useful :)
In my case I built it into the pedal logic if you his the lowest and 2nd highest at the same time (unlikely to ever want to PLAY that combination!)
I absolutely love your energy joy and tenacity to continue to build and play the most complex and largest musical instrument in the history of the world that can be played by one man. YOU BELONG IN THE Guinness Book of World Records !🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🎊🧨 Come in here boy ,have a cigar.....
I’m not sure but that foot button I believe it’s called a foot stop And it’s automatic pulls your stops for you or it Cancels the stops so you don’t have to push them in or flip them with your hands While you’re playing
I love that you still call it Joan's organ. She lives on in your recreation.
Agreed, its a really nice touch
it seemed right! it has been uprooted 4 times in its life but everyone knew it as joans organ so would be wrong to change its name! :D
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER I'm sure Joan is looking down on you shouting "YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE DOING SAM!"
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER 4 times? Where else has it been? Also, do you reckon Joans family might give us a chat about her and the organ? She sounds like a proper legend.
I'm trying to imagine how completely nonsensical everything in this series would be to her. I don't think she would have been able to imagine her organ doing this in her wildest dreams.
My husband passed away just over two months ago. We love your music, and he wanted to come see the museum. I've been missing him like crazy, and that little dance break at the beginning reminded me of him. I got happy tears. Thanks for that. And the good tunes.
That foot switch is called a toe piston or toe stud and is generally used to recall preset combinations of stops, in case you don't have enough fingers to hit the thumb pistons and need to use your feet instead. In this case, since there's only one, my guess is that it was used as a general cancel (all stops off). That's not to say you couldn't order loads more and use them for all kinds of things!
Disclaimer: I'm an organ enthusiast, not a professional organist.
Was about to say the same thing, I think that's exactly what it's for. Also not an expert by the way, I just happened to have read about foot pistons a while ago when I was clicking through Wikipedia :)
It could also be a "piano" button, quickly switching to just the soft flutes. Or it can be "stepper next", or it could switch between free stop selection and button presets. It is usually used to change stops during playing. But make it just a MIDI control button and do whatever you like with it. Some organ consoles have 10's of them
Me too, my guess is that if you press it multiple times, with the original circuit boards, it jumps between all the presets on the thumb pistons...
It’s a ‘Full Organ` pedal for maximum change of volume. Some organs have multiple toe studs or toe pistons for exactly the reason you point out.
It could also be a Pedal to Great reversible - a toggle button that controls whether the Pedals are “coupled” to the Great organ pipes. When toggled off, the pedals control their own set of bass pipes, and when toggled on, they also control the lowest octaves of the main pipes! Super handy!
Listening to some old DOS game MIDI files through this thing would be incredible. ROTT springs to mind. Big orchestral style songs in that game
Lucas Arts Midi files are quite some around on the web. They have great sound track
I was personally thinking some 40k music like Children of The Omnissiah or Noosphere
Sam, just continue doing what you do, amazing content that we all love to see. It’s getting harder and harder to find the words to compliment your energy, passion and vision. Keep doing what you love and share this amazing journey. Great stuff.
This project is so extraordinarily cool it’s hard to make a musical comparison. The recycling, the old and new, the analogue/digital, the human connections, the museum project and thus the open nature of it, the documentation, etc. - this is outstanding stuff, Sam.
"A slightly dodgy piano sounds better than the most perfect piano in the world because it has more character." THANK YOU for saying that! I've mentioned to some musician friends that I like pianos that sound old and slightly out of tune for this very reason! They all think I am crazy and it's made some of their eye's twitch. Yes, having good tuning skills is important, but there is something to be said for appreciating the art in the imperfection! I'm so glad to hear you feel this way too.
there is a piano that is famously out of tune. I forget what they call it, Mrs. Brown's piano or something, but it was used in several well known songs. The Beatles have used it, it was also used in the Charlie Brown theme song (Linus and Lucy)
Sometimes I even like things that are WAAAYYY out of tune, subtlety be damned. I'm not even kidding🤣
There's a lot to be said about an organ being slightly out of tune. This is unavoidable even with the most well-maintained organs due to weather fluctuations. In fact, a perfectly in-tune organ does sound somewhat artificial. But there is a clear distinction between sounding natural and sounding like a fairground organ.
Not to mention that "perfectly in tune" is a rather dodgy concept to begin with. While most who have grown up with modern western music might feel that a 12TET piano feels "in tune", that doesn't change that every interval apart from octaves is different from a just interval, some (like the thirds and sixths) enough that most untrained ears can hear it.
@@fryloc359 I think you are talking about the Mrs. Mills piano in Abbey Road studios. It's a Steinway Vertegrand from 1905 using lacquered hammers and is slightly detuned for making a sharper tone with a wide character.
I am soooo jealous of what your doing... I'm an organist and am slowly bringing my local churches organ back to full strength but nothing like on a scale your doing!!
On the pedal board, that piston/button is called a toe piston. Normally there would be ten or so toe pistons which are used in a sequencer system, which essentially allows the organist to preset the stops they want to use for that piece and they can quickly select the registration for that piece. Often found in larger organs like Joan's Organ. If you look at the console, underneath each manual there should be other buttons... They might be numbered?? Those are also those sequencer buttons, but are called thumb pistons, but they do the same thing as the toe pistons.
I believe the toe piston on the pedal board is just a cancel piston, which essentially returns all the stops that are drawn at that given point. It's basically one big reset button for the organ! I'm not entirely sure how the sequencer can be set up on an organ, like how you can set the presets, but you'll probably figure that out!. The organ I mostly play on is a small one manual plus pedal board, 10 stop organ, so there isn't a need for a sequencer.
Well done you though for bringing Joan's Organ back to life, they are tricky to get going again once they stop working!
Sometimes the internet seems useful
I get the detuning, but the pipes do that naturally. Tune it as well as you can!
There is no end to Sam's ingenuity, skills and talent! Brilliant work.
Sam, as an organist myself, this is fantastic. You are a genius. Your understanding of equal temperament vs just intonation shows the huge depth of your knowledge. Oh - that thing on the pedal board is a foot or toe piston, there are usually several of these and they are used to change the registration, couple manuals together etc.
I don't think people say this enough: you are a bloody genius. I know you're just mucking about and having fun, but you will never know how many people you've inspired
Why, sir, you have a mighty fine organ !
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He plays with his organ way too much, it must be the work of Satan! /s
Sam, the big mushroom foot switch is the launch button. You hook it up to the ejection bench under the performer.
Far out ...Sam mucks around with cosmo and the organ and something new and fresh comes out. Love it. Such a great journey Joans organ the saga continues..
when this project is finished, you had put it on a truck and go on world tour! this would be so so great! and if you do might doing it, please make a stop in Berlin and rock this city! your are absoulutely fantastic genius guy! best wishes from Berlin 🤗
I think the organ being just ever so slightly out of tune gives it a lot of flavor and character, so I am definitely with you on that
It's kinda the difference between a church organ and a fairground organ.
Yes! That button on the pedalboard is a preset button! You can press it with yor foot to change presets if your hands are both on the keyboard! But there is only one and I don't know if pressing it multiple times would have changed preset, maybe with the circuit boards you've cutted of from the organ . Il turns on the stops (or switches as you call them haha) with the electro-magnetic system you explained on the museum channel. And I hope you know that lifting the pipe from her mouth, specially the lead ones, can de-voice the pipe ahahahah. That's The most beautiful project you've ever done!
I honestly believe that classical composers would of been very impressed with the harmonics and capabilities of synthesizers and your ability to bring out the best of both worlds with old world instruments and technology and new wave ideas and creativity. Absolutely beautiful and brilliant 💖
I was really surprised on how well the Organ sounds mixed with the synth. That is awesome. You make the Organ sound not obsolete. How cool is that
Sounds phenomenal Sam!
SAM! IT LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOIN! (So happy to see how far along this has come!)
I'm an pipe organ tech in the USA. Don't worry, it will still have plenty of 'character' even if you tune equal temp to the meter IMHO. Pipes are always all over the place just by the nature of the beast. Or tune directly to your synth pitches. Thanks for video. Very enjoyable! Love when people do something very different with the pipe organ. Helps keep it alive in pop culture.
That beat absolutely rips, brother! 🤩
This has gotten to be one of my top favorite projects on here. You're a legend, keep it up.
Проделано очень много работы на самом деле - вызывает уважение и легкую зависть)
I had thought that the organ was gonna outgrow the room. Nice to see it has room to breathe... *literally.*
*It's alive! ALIVE!!* 🧟♂
When the snare drum sound finally comes in, you know it’s gonna be exiting. This was so cool to listen to.
I feel like I need that Fisherman's Friend shirt
lol, I didn't notice it
This is an absolutely amazing project, a giant undertaking of godly nature. The organ is the grandfather of all synths in my opinion, an instrument of intellect and skill, both of which you have demonstrated in spades. I can't wait to see the evolution of Joan's organ, I believe you are doing something here of extreme value, for teaching, preserving and promoting arts. All the best :)
An electrician, musician, historian and I absolutely love the Fisherman’s Friend T-Shirt !
This is amazing Sam! That musical piece is a work of art, can't help thinking about how awesome it is to see you jamming along your creations, thanks for letting us being witnesses of this process. Keep it up please! this is being awesome in all aspects.
Every time I see you I feel like I've been transported back to the late 70's, 80's or early 90's. I can't place any particular artist but hairstyle, clothes, music... It all reminds me of the synth music scene of these years. It was pretty chaotic period with a lot of punk influences still coloring the scene. Synth music was the red headed stepchild. Often dismissed as not being real music as a synth was "just a collection of electronical components and not a real instrument". Synth Punk was a quite given fusion, neither of them getting much recognition from media. Music was fun back then. Always changing, new styles appearing often sever times a year, and when MTV came along they showed just about anything as long as someone made a music video.
As someone who can play the organ, I give my wholehearted endorsement to whatever you want to do with the foot piston. Use it to flash all the lights or cut power to the whole building. Go mental.
The beauty and uniqueness of what you've acquired and done here is that you're not constrained to the requirements of a church or traditional performance setting. You could even have the foot pedals play chords or pre-determined sequences, or some homemade Taurus sounds!
I'm starting to think this guy might actually know some of what he's doing
Better than that - he's the kind of guy who's not afraid of not knowing what he's doing, and in the process of figuring it out ends up knowing more than anybody else.
I don't know. As someone that has never touched an organ I feel qualified in saying that he doesn't know what he is doing.
In my best cranky old man imitation: "No Sam! You don't know what you're doing!! Don't do it like that, do it like this!!!"
Long live, Joan! May she be the center of many raves to come!
That jam was one of the coolest things I've seen/heard. I also prefer the non-equal temperament. I thought it gave the jam a really interesting edge that kept it from sounding like every other thing you find on youtube.
"a bit of rubbishness adds to the goodness" literally every bit of music I have ever loved.
That foot button on the pedal board is the Sforzando preset. It turns on all the stops at once. When you want to make the organ as intense as possible you stomp that button.
That's the Organotron! Spectacular show, I absobloodylutely love it.
I love the combination of modular synth and organ. They weirdly fit together. That piece you played felt even more authentic than your music does anyway. Love it.
I've been waiting for the moment the organ becomes a part of Kosmo.
Bloody amazing job as always, Sam!
Good luck to him taking that on tours
You are absolutely right with your thoughts about the tuning. We gave to much clean stuff around. But not that Kind of character to it. I think this Session is one of the most interesting ones to me. And it is also a proof of putting synths and an old organ together. It sounds right to me! All the effort was Wort it, again!
Cheers mate!
YOU KNOW THE PERSON THAT MADE THIS WHOLE SET UP IN THE OLD DAYS WASA VERY SMART PERSON . AND FUNNY THING DID THEY OR HE OR SHE EVER WENT TO HIGHT GRADE OF LEARNING
I 100% agree that a SLIGHTLY out of tune piano has way more character than a perfect, equal temperament tuning, but Sam you're the first other person I've found who agrees! I've always said, "piano in the basement of the small-turn chapel" but the idea is the same.
People usually look at me funny when I say that though. Thanks for being a bro!
It would be great to have Anna Lapwood coming to play it once you have the console working!
‘Most organs (like yours) have a toe stud that activates Fulll Organ.’ Quote from wikepedia- organ console/Enclosure and expression pedals.
Fisherman's Friend t-shirt, quality.
What's really impressive here is how much faith you have in those keyboard stands.
You are part techno-mage, part modern cryptid. You make this all look so effortless. As a maker myself, I understand how much effort actually goes into projects. I understand how all this works, and yet, I'm continuously bewildered by your amazing work.
This is beyond epic. This is... I don't know. It's Hans Zimmer level. I can only imagine this performance in a large auditorium, with the proper reverb and that drum line just booming over the audience.
Then Hollywood picking it up for a space odyssey big scale production. Or Square Enix making it their new Deus EX OST.
WHY ARE YOU NOT FAMOUS YET?!?!? Damn...
The mash-up between synth and organ sounds amazing. Such a unique style, love it
I’m jealous that each rank of pipes is individually addressable on its own MIDI channel. At our church we have a MIDI-enabled pipe organ but you can’t address each rank of pipes separately - only each keyboard - and we have 2 keyboards and one pedalboard, so 3 channels. You can control which ranks are enabled on each keyboard. It makes perfect sense if you’re playing the organ as an organ, but it’s less useful if you want to play with sequencers etc. Keep it up, I’m really enjoying this saga 😄
You have to invite a classical church organ player in the future to play this beauty as a kind of past vs future thingy to honor the effort of preserving and transforming a piece of history. :)
Awesome.
5:30 triggered memories of playing Nodes of Yesod back in the ‘80s ❤
Have you ever seen someone put a bloody church organ inside a house room and then complain about the "room" being small, and then take down the walls to have more space!!. That is LMNC that is. Outrageously fun and crazy, for real, not for jokes. I just hope that he doesn't seriously hurt him self one day. Love this channel.
No one else I know of is utilizing modular, MIDI, or music gear in such a truly creative and artistic way. I LOVE it!. I get so tired of people demonstrating off-the-shelf modules, or promoting the latest paid product placement from Korg or Elektron. Your projects are truly inspiring, entertaining, and humbling.
came back here 2 times already just for the music! its so epic! great work !
Most of the people don't know that modern 'equal temperament' should be slightly out of tune as a sacrifice for all chords playability and that's why a Bach's fugue will sound good on a 'well tempered' or marvellous on a 'specific key tempered' instrument but horrendous on an 'equally tempered' modern one :) Thanks for bringing up the subject by the way :)
Need an organ sound?
Everyone else: *opens plugin*
Sam/LMNC: Enlists help and sets out for Bristol... 🤣
Can't remember if I said before here or on Patreon, that I'm amazed how much I've enjoyed the organ progress
Dude you're an absolute dork but you are just cool and you make me think and learn so that is why I watch your content put a smile on my face seeing old machinery being brought back to life it's like watching one of the old Frankenstein movies
Totally agree with your tuning argument. It gets more 'groove' when it's not perfectly tuned.
You're now the benevolent, non-posh version of Cameron Carpenter. Love it.
It already sounds amazing. I'm waiting for more music with synth and pipes
Love the T-Shirt Joan is now Ship Shape and Bristol Fashion. ( a Fishermans Friend will always clear the pipes)
All the work yous have done so far is incredible and fantastic. Huge kudos to begin with for rescuing the organ, removing it, transporting it and then getting it to work with and alongside modern technology is genius.
The tech know how alchemy has used Fire and wind to create TechnOrganic Music. This Organ Joan, and the midi interfacing set up should be on permanent exhibition in the main hall in the Tate Modern Museum London. Many thanks.
The nice thing about adding those lights, is it's not just to look cool. (Although it definitely has that aspect.) I bet those also help out a hell of a lot as a diagnostic tool to show the signals are actually doing what they're supposed to be doing, so it doubles as a trouble-shooting tool. You get the light show happening in the right spots, you know it should be all good. Fits in well with the modern modular systems integrated with the old-school physical hardware.
Baroque synth, brilliant! George Handle would have been bopping to that...
Good Jebuzz flying a kite! Absolutely amazing! I wish I had saved all the weird shite I've collected in my life and put it all together the way you have.
YES. I've been looking forward to the day the synths and organ met since the day you first bought the thing. Great stuff!!
Jesus Christ this is f... amazing! You are a hybrid of Jean-Michel Jarre and Adam Savage! So nice to see what you get out of the Organ!
Man, you are living my dream now. Pipe organ and synths - perfection!
3:00 - love it my dude. 16 channels of MIDI DIN is as cool today as it was in the 80s! Well wishes on the organ project and the museum, you're a legend m8
過去の声と現代ミュージックの融合！ 楽しく聞かせていただきました。ありがとう
A fusion of old voices and contemporary music! "I enjoyed listening to you." Thank you.
It is very very capable and very beautifull, both the building and the music.
simply one word...............Incredible!!!!!!
Holy shit Sam!!! I have no words to describe what I've witnessed and heard.
Thanks for putting a big smile on my face again! Very much appreciated these days (:
AAAAAA I suffered mental pain when the music stopped. That was unreal. I don't even know the genre the closest I've ever come to magic like that watching Regular show and the Gary vs David synth battle. WOWZERS!
I think it sounds fantastic with the synth!
Nothing better than a strong coffee while watching Sam jam his organ on hump day morning.
Organ through a sequencer is one of my favourite things ever.
Dude it just amazes me again and again how you can just make such good songs!!
Gorgeous sound, they were made for each other! Imagine taking this setup to festivals
Yes! But he'll need some more roadies...
There are trailer mounted fairground organs/orchestrions, that run on continuous fan-folded punched cards in a fashion not dissimilar to a pianola roll. Working examples are getting pretty rare now, but I believe the odd one has been converted to include MIDI interface electronics as well as the original punched card stack, it's easy enough in theory but a bit tougher in practice to get it to work well.
I love that you’re using it to make music already. Not obsolete indeed.
The song you played gave off some seeeeerious Slagsmålsklubben-vibes! Amazing!
there something satisfying about the interaction between the synth and a real functional organ
I’m an organist and I’m quite sure the toe piston was a reversible piston to engage/disengage the ‘Great to Pedal’ stop tab. Quite handy if you need the quick change of dynamics in the pedal. Great work BTW!!
On an English church organ console of this vintage it is definitely not a Sforzando, cancel, or advance stepper (this possibility came much later), as suggested in other comments here!!
and one of the best organists ;) greetings from Waltershausen!
Glad you don't know what you're doing! The difference i believe between you and many others is that you know you don't know so you find the answer or practice the method before the critical moment. I enjoy watching your videos and I think you know more than you let us see at times :)
awesome - we need the a full track of that masterpiece
A recording of the interstellar theme would be nice :)3
Sam, great project, you're absolutely right about the piano - pipes tuning, if you ask a piano tuner if he just sits down when tuning a piano if he starts with one key and tunes it against a chromatic tuner and proceeds up the keys he would say no. There is much experience and practice involved with tuning a piano. I have talked to several tuners and they told me that there is no character in straight tuning against a chromatic tuned piano, it takes experience and the ability to judge the tune by ear also on a piano there are issues like multiple strings for each note and the stretch on the sound board when tuning up the scale of the keys. Just do it your way and you'll have more fun. Thank you for your videos as they are very fun and informative to watch, good luck from the states.
A 'preset button' is exactly what it is, except organists would call it a foot/toe piston. Chances are originally it would have been wired to either pull 'everything' (likely full organ without reeds) or as a 'general cancel' to shut the organ right up in a hurry. If Joan was really lucky, it might have been a 'reversible' foot piston that could toggle between two states. Modern organs and digital consoles tend to have them configurable to do whatever you want. I'm probably about the 900th person to add this in your comments... 🙂
My gawd I can’t stop running this beat back, soo 🔥🔥🔥🔥
J. M. Jarre is in the building. Genious!
You are a grafter Sam, i wish I had your energy and enthusiasm !
Fusion kitchen. Enjoyed that really.
Honkey Tonk Pipe Organ. Love it.
Perfect sound.. Organ and synth techno.. 😊
As a church organist I can confirm that “button” is a toe stop or toe piston. It works in a similar way to the thumb stops that are normally placed below each keyboard.
Depending on the organ builders preferences, this can either carry out a set function, or on some organs it can even be “programmed” by moving switch contacts that operate solenoids fitted to the stops that control each of the pipe ranks.
Unusual to only have one toe piston, but since this organ was moved into Joan’s house who knows what functions were lost or added during that move.
One possible (non musical) option I’ve seen in some churches, is a signal lamp controller. As the organ console is often placed away from where any entrance procession begins, there is sometimes a switch that can flash a lamp in sight of the organist to let them know something (pre-agreed) is about to happen. In one church there was a “reply” option that flashed a lamp back downstairs, but this was a thumb stop and not a toe piston, but who knows. Maybe Joan used it to get her hubby to bring her a cup of tea?
I think that the button with the foot-pedal board is the "hover" switch -- push that and an extra push of air lifts the player into the air! 🙂