I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that when you end up using an old style ID having used the newer version or a new style RIG for a while. It's an interesting training issue especially when using one to ascend its very easy to forget to lock it off. I know you should always check it has actually locked off with any device but it's very easy to forget when you are used to the newer devices.
You are absolutely right. It is an interesting issue indeed. It is a good thing that forgetting to unlock it is less danger than forgetting to lock it. I have seen people who were trained with the new ID's only never locking of theirs because they were never taught. That is why I find it good to train with the older ones. Same goes for the asaps.In the real world I encounter a LOT of old ones instead of the Lock version. And the same people struggling with older ID's struggle with the old ASAPs..
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Well said. The only infraction I got on my level one test was for leaving the handle unlocked. I have the newer one that auto locks. The instructor told me the same thing you just said about the climbers forgetting to lock the handle. Although I was fully aware of the need to lock the ID, I forgot during the rescue on ascent. Jim
What kind of pulley system? It’s a theoretical 2:1 with a change of direction. The pulley is at the load so it’s an even system and there is only one moving pulley. But with the friction of the I’D it’s even less than that.
Yeah that is always an interesting question. The thing that makes it confusing is the fact that you (as the load) are moving up and providing input as well. Normally in a pulley system that is not the case. When looking at it like that it would be a 3:1 because the load moves and is in "3 ropes". I think it feels like a 3:1. But that is totally subjective. Does that help?
Fair. I just started playing around with that setup… I think it may prove more bulky than useful? I also have another Progress Adjust free on the other side.
They are perfect until you need to step of a windturbine or building with 100 mtr of rope beneath you.. The weight of the ropegets pulled through to easy and on the old Rig and I'd, you could easily lock them of..
@@TheRopeAccessChannel well it's funny you should mention that because I work as a blade technician and on some jobs I have been given the ID without the locking handle which you have to open to ascend. With all your gear on, the stretch on the rope, tools, in a seat and anything else you are carrying trying to climb in the old ID is awful 😅
@@HeliumFreak ascending in an id sucks anyway😂. But seriously have you not had issues where the rope just slide through because of the weight. Whereas with the old ones you could just lock it off?
@@HeliumFreakwhy would you spend all that effort on climbing on your id unless it's very short distance. But if you're doing blade repairs or installing 3m tape/polytech.. just use the croll and get yourself a foot ascender like a Pantin. Easy peasy and way less hard your the body in the long run
Thank you 🙏🏼🙏🏼 But if you are the load, aren't you suspended in only 2 ropes (in and out of the descender)... If someone on the ground would pull the tail end is it the same? (asking for a friend😉)👊🏻👊🏻
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I'm late to the party, but your weight is actually suspended on three strands (in and out of the descender and the pull strand coming out of the roll clip.) If your friend is pulling from the ground it would be a 2:1.😉
I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that when you end up using an old style ID having used the newer version or a new style RIG for a while. It's an interesting training issue especially when using one to ascend its very easy to forget to lock it off. I know you should always check it has actually locked off with any device but it's very easy to forget when you are used to the newer devices.
You are absolutely right. It is an interesting issue indeed. It is a good thing that forgetting to unlock it is less danger than forgetting to lock it. I have seen people who were trained with the new ID's only never locking of theirs because they were never taught. That is why I find it good to train with the older ones. Same goes for the asaps.In the real world I encounter a LOT of old ones instead of the Lock version. And the same people struggling with older ID's struggle with the old ASAPs..
@@TheRopeAccessChannel Well said. The only infraction I got on my level one test was for leaving the handle unlocked. I have the newer one that auto locks. The instructor told me the same thing you just said about the climbers forgetting to lock the handle. Although I was fully aware of the need to lock the ID, I forgot during the rescue on ascent. Jim
@@aerialrescuesolutions3277 The most important part was you passed 😜.
Great video! Looking forward to bench watch them all when preparing for my L3
By then most of them should up👍🏼👍🏼
If you have any specifics you want to see, you know where to find me👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Muito bom! Excelente técnica.
Obrigado pelo vídeo.
🙏🏼🙏🏼
Awesome 👌 I'm still L1 for 9 years
🙏🏻🙏🏻 thanks! Best job ever!!
What kind of pulley system? It’s a theoretical 2:1 with a change of direction. The pulley is at the load so it’s an even system and there is only one moving pulley. But with the friction of the I’D it’s even less than that.
Yeah that is always an interesting question. The thing that makes it confusing is the fact that you (as the load) are moving up and providing input as well. Normally in a pulley system that is not the case. When looking at it like that it would be a 3:1 because the load moves and is in "3 ropes". I think it feels like a 3:1. But that is totally subjective.
Does that help?
Thanks!
Thank you!!! I really appreciate this!🙏🙏🙏🙏
I see you’ve got a Progress Adjust on your handled ascender!!! What do you think about that setup???
Good?! most of the times. SOmetimes it gets in the way. and sometimes I want that adjust somewhere else
Fair. I just started playing around with that setup… I think it may prove more bulky than useful? I also have another Progress Adjust free on the other side.
Can you take the ascenct ropes and carrie with you
Yes, if they are long enough. But why would you want to do that??
Those Petzl descenders that dont have a spring loaded handle should all be thrown in the bin :) hate using them, the new ones are so much better.
They are perfect until you need to step of a windturbine or building with 100 mtr of rope beneath you.. The weight of the ropegets pulled through to easy and on the old Rig and I'd, you could easily lock them of..
@@TheRopeAccessChannel well it's funny you should mention that because I work as a blade technician and on some jobs I have been given the ID without the locking handle which you have to open to ascend. With all your gear on, the stretch on the rope, tools, in a seat and anything else you are carrying trying to climb in the old ID is awful 😅
@@HeliumFreak ascending in an id sucks anyway😂. But seriously have you not had issues where the rope just slide through because of the weight. Whereas with the old ones you could just lock it off?
@@HeliumFreakwhy would you spend all that effort on climbing on your id unless it's very short distance. But if you're doing blade repairs or installing 3m tape/polytech.. just use the croll and get yourself a foot ascender like a Pantin. Easy peasy and way less hard your the body in the long run
Very good! could make a rescue on a zipline
Do you mean if I could make a video on Zipline rescues?
Or I could have used a Zipline for this rescue?
@@TheRopeAccessChannel you can make a zipline rescue video
@@rodolphocunha4695 that is planned for later this year. We will get into all kinds of tensioned lines setups👍🏼
3:1 Since you're the load
Thank you 🙏🏼🙏🏼 But if you are the load, aren't you suspended in only 2 ropes (in and out of the descender)... If someone on the ground would pull the tail end is it the same?
(asking for a friend😉)👊🏻👊🏻
@@TheRopeAccessChannel I'm late to the party, but your weight is actually suspended on three strands (in and out of the descender and the pull strand coming out of the roll clip.) If your friend is pulling from the ground it would be a 2:1.😉
@@ericwiese exactly👍🏼🤩😃. You got it. The theory of perspective on it is also an interesting way of looking at it